The Ringer-Verse - 'Thor: Love and Thunder' Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

The Midnight Boys take a ride on some screaming goats to give their instant reactions to the highly anticipated 'Thor: Love and Thunder' (04:04). They dive into Thor's personal journey and how Chris Hemsworth's performance holds up in his fourth standalone adventure (14:26). Later, they rank the film on the famous Midnight Meter, and give their updated Phase Four rankings (87:21). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay, Sunday, the Midnight Boys will be giving you their reactions to the season finale of the boys. Boys on Boys. That's what we should have named that podcast. Boys on Boys. Boys on Boys. Boy's on Boys. Midnight Boys on the Boys.

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We should have family dinner after this. We'll have family dinner? Jomey's cooking because I know he can throw it out. Chef Jome Flay. Let me ask you a question. Jome Flay, you like to cook. You like to get it for your friends. I enjoy throwing down in the kitchen.

Yes, sir. What's your signature dish? Tell us. My signature dish is probably my skillet mac and cheese. I'm really good. I'm really good at roasted my roasted potatoes, but my family always comes, they always come to me for a steak.

I know. If I have to bet on it, I bet Remy, Remy from Rattitouy getting you out of here, but that's another conversation for another. One of the best chefs of the world. I mean, he's, like, of course he's, like, he's friends. Classes, what if Remy's underneath his hat

and pulling the strings? Would you guys eat at at Remy's restaurant? Absolutely. I can't let a rat cook for me. I don't can't let a rat cook for me. I don't know. This is the thing, though. That's the thing, though. You don't know that the rat cooked for you until you actually eat it.

Well, see, now here's the thing. But at the end of the movie, he's got his own little rat restaurant. Right? How good would the meal have to be for you to eat a meal that are rat cooked for you? To get a bubonic plague, botulism, whatever they carry?

Yeah, it has to be really, really good. I don't know what it is. Can we get back to Thor? I don't know. Okay. Potulism. I don't think that's a thing. Monday, the House of Bar returns

to give you their deep dive on Thor, Love and Thunder. But on today's show, today, we give our thoughts on the latest entry into the MCU, Thor Love and Thunder, T.L.T. Guys, give me a round of applause to MCUs back in our theaters. Come on, guys. We haven't been to the movies with the MCU since Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. And we're back now with Thor, Love, and Thunder.

Look, we're three minutes in. Normally we go longer at the top. We're not going to do that because we got. got a lot of stuff to talk about regarding this movie. So Steve, why don't you tell people that don't realize that they're here to talk or listen to us, talk about a movie that we've seen what we're about to do, which is talk about a movie that we've seen. So give them the spoiler warning, please. We're getting ready to talk about Thor, Love and Thunder. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. All opinion. Charles. Yeah. We don't know what we need to know. We don't. I'm looking at the four of us right now. We know things, but not what we need to know.

The only way for us to know what we need to know is for you to give us the Midnight Manifest. Please take it away. Let's get it. Guys, this is the Midnight Manifest for Thor, Love, and Thunder, directed by Tycho Watiti, written by Watiti, and Jennifer, Caiton, Robinson, stars, Chris Hemsworth, Natalie Portman, Christian Bale, and Tessa Thompson, based on Jason Aaron's Thor run from 2012,

but introduced to Gore and his daughter dying on a planet after his gods have abandoned him. After Gore's daughter dies, he's led to an oasis by the Necrosword, kills the first god he sees for being so frivolous about mortal life. And the present, Thor and the Guardians of Galaxy are up to some classic hijinks. After saving a planet, Thor parts ways with the Guardians once he gets a signal from Sith, was attacked by Gore. Thor's hell-bent on stopping Gore before he kills any more gods. Meanwhile, on Earth, Dr. Jane Foster is trying to fight stage for cancer. But thanks to a special spell that was placed on Milamir, unbeknownst to Thor and Jane,

she is now the new mighty Thor, when she picks up the hammer and new Asgard. Now, Gore attacks New Asgard. Thor, Valky, and Jane try to stop him, but the godslayer kidnaps a bunch of Asgardian. Children, Thor, Valky, Jane, and Cork decide to team up to stop Gore and travel to Omnipotent City to ask the other gods across the universe for help. In Annippidate City, Zeus is being a jerk and refuses to help and defiance the trio, steal his magic lightning bolt. Also, Thor and Thor begin to fall in love.

When Team Thor finally tracks down Gore in the Shadow Realm, Jane realizes that Gore needs Stormbreaker to transport him to eternity where he can ask for any wish. And Gore, the god butcher, as his name implies, wants to wish for the eradication of the gods. Gore overpowers Team Thor and takes Stormbreaker. Now back on Earth, Valkyrie and Jane are injured, and Thor begs Jane to stay. on the sidelines because every time she uses a meal nearer, she shortens her lifespan. Thor travels to eternity, gives the kidnapped kids the temporary powers of Thor and they try to overpower Gore and his minions hashtag Rise of Gru. Jane ends up joining Thor who could really use the help and Gore,

her and Thor are transported to eternity. Thor tells Gore to choose love. Gore agrees and wishes his daughter back to life. Gore makes Thor and Jane promise they'll take care of his daughter. Jane dies in Thor's arms on Earth. The Asgardian children are saved. Thor is now raising Gore's daughter who he names love gives her stormbreaker. And the doer are nicknamed love and thunder throughout the cosmos. In the mid-credit scene, Zeus sends Hercules played by

our boy from Ted Lassow, Brett Goldstein after Thor for revenge. And Heimdale greets Jane in Valhalla. That's your midnight manifest. Let's get into this shit, yo. I'll see all these ladies on Twitter talking about manifesting.

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Let's do it. Charles, the moment that everyone has been waiting for. Everyone. Your thoughts on TL&T? I want to say thank you to Van, show me, Steve, for introducing me to the summer of no expectations. At first, I didn't want to accept it, you know? This was a social experiment and I was not on.

But I got to be real with y'all. Going in with no expectations, I left being like, pretty dope, pretty dope. I don't know what it was because, like, logically, as a movie critic, as a viewer, I was sitting there being like, this movie makes no sense. This is big. This is dumb. But still, I was just, like, grinning the whole time being like, oh, Taekwantini doing dope shit. Thor being Thor.

Like, this is amazing. I think after the MCU has kind of gotten away from some of the core people, there was something kind of beautiful about just hanging out with Chris Hemsworth being dumb again. I don't think that this movie is perfect. I do get kind of the discourse

and everybody kind of being upset about that. I think we'll dive into that later. But I want to throw it to y'all, if we're going to be real in phase four, I probably like this movie second overall. I like this movie better than Black Widow, better than Shang Chi, better than The Eternals,

better than Dr. Strange. It's probably behind Spider-Man. And that's where I'm that. I'm not saying this is the greatest Marvel film. I don't even think it's in the top 10. But I'm like, go on night at the movies. It's a good movie that I think I thought would be better. speak on it. Why?

Because of the Thor Ragnarok of it all? So what I'm saying is, this is a good movie. It's a good movie. Let me tell you what I'm talking about. You leave the film. The movie's good. First of all, let me say, good movie. Had fun.

Had a lot of fun. Had so much fun. Had a lot of fun in Thor, Love, and Thunder. Had a lot of fun. I think there's this feeling after you leave a movie and you either breathe out and go, damn, or you go, there's three ways. You either breathe out and go, damn.

Or you go, that's it. Or you go, huh, okay, I'm not mad at it. You're the third? No, I think it was, okay, I'm not mad at it. I think that's what it was. I think that's what it was. And I think, even though this is the summer of no expectations, I have to be real with you,

Ragnarok said a bar for the movie. And I think getting all the old game back together, the inclusion of the Guardians of the Galaxy in the movie and all of that, how that was going to go. I think I expected, not expected, I think I was looking for the movie to be of the same quality of Ragner Rock, and Ragner Rock is just way better. Oh, I thought this was the summer of no expectations.

There was no, I never thought this movie was going to be better than Ragner Rock, which is probably why I enjoyed it more than the average person, because I'm like, there's just no way it's going to do that. That's good. But look, having said that, having said that, I think I had a fun time watching Thor, Love, and Thunder. Guys, it was a lot of fun, okay? I have fun of the movies. There was a, there was a goddamn, okay, guys, all right? Well, smile. All right, everybody listen, smile, buck up, guys. Buck up. I have fun watching the movie. I had fun. Jomi, Steve. Med addition, your thoughts?

I had a great time with this as well. I think this was a lot, lot, lot of fun. I think that there are some, maybe some fair criticisms that, like, the tone might be a little all over the place, which, you know, the movie itself kind of shrugs off with the, with decent respect. I think I did,

I certainly didn't find it as offensive as I found multiverse of madness or, or some other things about it. Yeah. God. Damn. But no, I, no, this was a great time. And, uh, I, I, I would probably be close to Charles

and thinking that this is high up there in the phase four lexicon. Jomey, what did you think? Also, before you say anything, Jomey, I need all the midnight boys to keep it a buck. Okay? We got to dive into the discourse, so I don't want anybody half-staffed it.

Shut the fuck up. Stop trying to, like, like, stop. Shut up, Charles. Stop, like, stop. Stop. No, but here's the thing. I'm eating the KFC. I'm in the precinct.

I'm in the police precinct. Stop trying to condition people. Either you can deal with the heat or you can't, Charles. Stop trying to condition people for what it is. You feel like you have to say on this podcast. Just say it. Chuck, Chuck, we will be getting to my agendas later. Do not worry.

All right, we're going to agenda corner later. We're going to agenda corner later. But in terms of this film, like everybody, I really enjoyed my time. There was a lot of stuff that I was. like I was really laughing hard. I was like, I love this bit. I love this scene. There are some things that like don't really hold up when you think about it.

And even though I enjoyed a lot of the performances, it was a little bit. Okay, the tone is kind of shifting, you know, here to hear a little bit. But ultimately, I had a great time in the theater. And that's what you want. That's really what you want. So yeah, this was a fun time. Can I also say this? Sure.

My viewing experience might have been heightened weirdly. Like, y'all ever go to a movie theater and you got like a row of like middle schoolers or teenager behind you like, fuck, oh man. Like, this is going to be terrible. They're going to, ugh. But sitting there, they were just laughing the whole time. And I started realizing I'm like, this is, this is a movie for kids and not in a bad way. Like sometimes it's like okay to just like sit and laugh at like the goats just like shrieking. every time they go on screen,

and it'll just be fine. Like, I was just, I was very charmed by, like, these kids just having a blast. Every time Cork would show up on screen, I'm like, yeah, maybe we don't have to be hated. Corgan's the man.

I forgot about the goats, but the goats were footy. I'm not going to hold you. Come on. It was so funny. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, no.

For some reason, they reminded me of Bowesman. Like, he's just like a big floppy. Yeah, he just has so much energy all the time. I like, all right.

Um, Look, we're going to get to the Midnight Mirror Ranking later on in the show. I already know what my ranking is, okay? As well as where this ranks in Phase 4, Charles already talked about where it ranks in Phase 4. We're going to talk about that a little bit more. But let's talk about Tycho Waitini and the Tycho Waititi of it all.

Chuck Wagon. Yeah. Tyca has a very distinct filmmaking style. There's a lot of fun. It's a reverent. It's a little a little genetic quad. You know what I'm saying? Was he in his bag here?

or did Tycho kind of spill out of his bag a little bit? It was a little bit too much Tycho for you. Oh, shit. Honestly, it's like when you go to the grocery store by yourself and you're like, can I get all of these bags in my house at once and you just start dropping them? He's not really in his bag. He's trying.

Like, what I will say is, what I think we have to realize is how low the expectations for Thor Ragnarok were. Because if we're going to be real, the original Thor movie not bad, but definitely not one of the best MCU debuts. And the second Thor is god-awful. So coming into Thor Ragnarok, the expectations were so low

that I think when Tyca comes in and you see that Chris Hemsworth finally gets the character of Thor, you're like, oh, this is what we've been waiting for. You're almost bowled over by, I didn't realize that there was this gear that this character had. what I think happened after that

is that because Thor Ragnarok we rank it so high in our M.C. rankings, you go into this movie with the expectations of, okay, Thor is now the premier star of the MCU. He needs to do Thor Ragnarok again.

I'm like, that's a little unfair. I would also ask y'all, I might be a hater, but I kind of smelled the backlash coming for Tyca a little bit. Like, he's a little too out there in terms of, of like he's very over-exposed at this time

where it's like, I'll be in a movie and he'll be like the voice of a cartoon character. I'm like, wait, Taika's in this? Like, Taika's kind of everywhere as an actor as a director. And online, I'd already started being like, this kind of seems like people are ready to kind of dunk on him a little bit.

So I'm not surprised that there seems to be kind of a victory lap for Love and Thunder. So this is what I'll say about that. This happens. We see this. happen. Taika is an artur.

He's a creator. And he's in his moment. You know, and sometimes people respond to their moment by buckling down and making sure they nail that next project. I'm not saying he hasn't done that. And sometimes people respond to their moment

with Rita Ora. And Taika's... Antestatopson. Tyca's doing his thing. He's out there. He's doing his thing. He's testing himself. He has done great work.

Jojo Rabbit is out there. Tyca is showing up in a lot of places. You don't get these moments very often, so I can't look at Tycho Watiti and be like, hey, he's overexposed. People that feel that way, they ain't never been hot before. If they ain't never been hot,

you don't know what it's like. All right, so I can't get, I can't, I can't, I can't look at, I'm on, I might do this podcast, then they're rewatchables, then Rosillo, then the big picture. So I'm not about to,

I'm not about to complain about somebody being overexposed. I just, it would make a lot of sense. Your Ragnarok point is actually a good point. I think sometimes with movies, and I think that's something that we have to talk about when we're talking about Marvel.

We underestimate sometimes the surprise factor in a film, right? We talk about, and that's kind of what we look to in every stinger. Every stinger, almost every stinger is a little movie in it, like, within itself, because there's always a surprise. So, like, it's always something we're like, okay, what's it going to be, what's it going to be? the movies themselves, sometimes we're surprised,

sometimes we're not with the theorizing that we do and all the stuff that comes out. So I think that your Ragnarok point is well taken.

I think what happened in this movie or what happens for this movie is that if you're Tycho Wattini and you do Ragnarok, you want to do

all these crazy things. Some of those you can do, some of them they go, but then that movie kind of changes things a little bit and in a lot of ways

resets the character and now you can do whatever it is that you want. And so there might have been sometimes that you could have pulled back just a little bit here, but he had the Cajones or he had the clout not to do it. And sometimes it doesn't make for a perfect film. But it's in Tycho Watini's fun brain, the fun brain that spills out of him, this movie is that. And there are some amazing things about this film. Like literally some of the, there's some

things in this film we're going to talk about that are some of the best things that I've seen in a Marvel movie. I'm not going to lie. And so for me, I had a lot of fun, but you can tell that this is as Tyca as Taika gets. Can I ask this too? I was when I've been thinking about this movie, I agree with you. The Taika of it all,

Tyca's going to throw like a hundred jokes at you at a minute and not all of them are going to stick. Like there would be points in the movie where I'm just like, oh, this is so fucking funny. And then a joke wouldn't land. I'm like, ugh. I want to ask you, is this kind of like a blank,

check moment in terms of a director being like Thor Ragnarok, he probably still has like Fygi and a few other people being like, hey, maybe dial this back a little bit, hey, like some producers kind of massaging some of the Tyca of it all. And in this, he's proven himself,

he's a star now. Maybe he's not getting those notes like he would. Either that or they just don't have time. And sometimes I'm serious. Sometimes I'm wondering if that's part of it too. With everything that's going on, if Fahey and the crew have enough time to go through all of these projects with a fine-tooth comb, you know what I mean? And so it's either one of the two.

Mitt boys, your thoughts, Tyca of it all. Well, first or foremost, I'm not going to let you slide, van, and say that, like, Thor the Dark World isn't cheeks. It's bottom tier. Bottom tier. I enjoy it. All right. That's enough of that. We'll get to that at a later time. I don't give up what you say. I'm allowed to love it. that I want. And I appreciate that. You're wrong, though, but you can have your opinion. It's a wrong opinion, but you can have it.

You eat chiplets. Let's get back on track. Tyca is doing his thing, and I think, I think, I'm going to say it. He's got just a little bit too much dip on the chip. Just a little bit. Tell me. A little bit too much dip on the chip. You terrible bastard.

And it's not, and it's not in the sense of like, whoa, it's just too much going on. She's like, okay, at this point, like, overexposed, you know, I think to Charles's point. Like, he is everywhere. You know, free guy, Rick and Morty, like you can't turn on the TV. Our flag means death.

You can't turn on the TV and not see. Reservation dogs. He's producing shit. He's everywhere. The dude is everywhere. Good for him. Get his money. I ain't never going to be mad at a brother for getting a bag.

You feel? me like do your thing but with the success of ragner rock and you know him just being like the superstar you just get you you get carte blanche to do whatever you would like to do in this movie i don't think i honestly don't think everybody was like hey man you might want to mona dallelaback just a tiny there's a smid right like charles said a lot of jokes for me personally a lot of them did land I was laughing the entire time but when you sit back and you look at it as a whole you're like, ah, if you like take this down

you take this, da-da-da, you probably have a more fleshed out and a more realized film. That's again, I enjoyed it, but yeah, you got to, you know, like, it don't got to be at 10 all the whole time. You know, you can dial it back a little bit. Yeah. What about you, Steve?

Tiger White T.D.'s star is like at a meteoric rise and I think for the great breath of fresh air that he gave Thor and the MCU in general right at the end of the Phase 3 saga and the Infinity saga, I think that since then he's kind of just gotten, again, like maybe just like a little too much going on in a lot of these movies because there was, you know,

this was said or rumored to have had like a four-hour cut of all of these things, at least making it a little bit of sense. You could see kind of the phrase and the edges of things that could be a little bit more fleshed out or at least a little bit more seamless. It's a mercifully short movie. And you can kind of see a lot of things that were not exactly missing, but could have had a little bit more time to breathe. And I think that's probably the biggest flaw of this movie where like there's a lot of great stuff.

But like there's just like a little bit too much bursting at the seams for us to make it a full, full package. Can I also ask you really quick? Because there's this question, you know, the criticism about, you know, the tone being. all over the place. I was reading the Jason Aaron run that this is based on. And part of me was just like that comic book is very like Tolkien. Like it's very Lord of the Rings-esque. It's expansive. It's beautiful. And like God, Gore the God butcher is this imposing presence and the worlds are big. It's beautiful. Isad Ribbic like is one of the greatest comic book artists of the past 10 years. And I was wondering if that for comic book fans is also something that they're like,

where you have a classic storyline and you're like, I thought it was going to be one thing, but now it's kind of this multicolor madness, jokes at 100, everybody's kind of like quippy. And it's not like the source material in the way that like Captain America Winter Soldier, you can look at that Ed Rubeaker common be like, okay, like this is of, I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, but I rereading Jason Aaron and I was like, I kind of get why the nerds are upset. That's a solid point,

but I'd be very surprised if there's a large cross-section of the audience for the movie that feels that way or even cares. I mean, if you, like, if you did, but I just, I doubt it because at this point, I think a lot of the people who, like, let's say that there's levels to this, right? and that we're not actually the diehards. I know the diehards.

We're not them, right? Like, we're, we're, we're like, we're dies. We're one level below. One level below. We're one level below the diehards because, you know, the diehards will go back and tell you about the moment that Cothone came through and all of that stuff. Like I watched diehard, like YouTube Star Wars videos

about people telling me about the economic system of the empire. You know what I mean? That tell me about how Grahamoff Tarkin, destroying Alderon, ended up being a rally and cry for the rebels to recruit, you know, just like really encyclopedic shit, right? And then Braynberg level. Yeah, so those people are always going to have a different standard.

For us who are consuming as much of this as humanly possible while not being die-hearted, I think what you're really looking for is elements of the characters to be woven together. with things that you know from the source material, right? And to do that in a way that creates a unique narrative within the movie, right? And, you know, Winter Soldier, I remember, Kalika loves the MCU. I remember she was aghast when, when Winter Soldier turns around and it's buck.

And like, you know what I mean? Wait, really? Oh, it was so funny. It was, it was, we're in the theater. I'm just sitting there. wait. I'm like, what are they going to do it? She turns around and she goes, wait, is that? What?

And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, nigga. You know what I mean? So I don't know if that matters as, if that's going to matter as much to people. I do understand. I think there's a, I think what you're saying, I think it has, I think it's even more, to me, it's more relevant and,

sort of important than even what you meant. Because I think the fact that it's strained a little bit from that is probably, even if people didn't read the source material, a little bit of the reason why the storytelling is off for some people. No, I just, because I read the Erinson Run, like, like Charles did. And the story is different. But I don't think it'll, I don't think it'll bother most people who've read it. Because, you know, if you've read the Aronson Run,

you watched movie, there are major differences, even though the Aronson run, it's expansive, it's grand, like there's a scope that I don't think they could fit into a two-hour Thor film.

Oh, that run was like, I think that run was almost 10 years. Like, it was a long-ass run. It's just so remarkable. And so I'm not faulting the film for not going beat for people in that way. The reason I bring it up, I'm not faulting it either,

but a lot of people in the run-up to this were like but Christian Bale doesn't look like Gore in the comics and I'm like, does he have to guys? He doesn't have to look like Voldemort to be a cool villain. Like that's not a Christian Bell is by far the best thing about the movie. Oh, hell yeah. I don't want to, I didn't want to skip to that, but by far the best thing about the movie. So if you get off, get off Gore's god butcher.

Get off his guard butcher. Get right off of his. Get off his necro sword. Get off his necro sword. Wait, how much would it take you, Van? Like, how much money would it take you to kiss Gore the God Butcher with the black... I mean, it depends on that, you know,

we'll have much about to drink, you know what I'm saying? Baby, you know, that's like black licorice tasting. I bet it's like. What if it's sweet? What if it's sweet? It could be sweet. It's like jelly beans. It's jelly beans.

Like licorice? I don't know if it's liquorish. See, that's a rich man talking right there. That's Van, you know, like... So you guys just keep saying it's not true. Now, Van just signed for his third Lambo. Like, that's what a rich man sound like. It probably tastes like vinegar.

It probably tastes like black vinegar. It sounds disgusting. It tastes disgusting. Yeah. That's what it tastes like. I want to hold parts of that. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Trimfairadio.com. Thor's personal journey in this movie. I want to start with Steve here. What did you think of it, Steve? Again, it leans into Chris Hemsworth's strengths, wanting to be comedic and funny and charming.

And it worked so, so, so well. in Ragnarok because he was kind of anchoring himself around this team with like Hulk and Valkyrie and all these other crazy characters where I think in this he kind of comes off as even dumber than in Ragnarok

like he was kind of like the fun dumb jock that ultimately brought it together in the end I think he's even like a little bit more silly in this again not a bad thing but like it's almost like he's very hair metal he's very like leaning into guns and roses and like all of the yeah let's get it done.

Like, there's a lot of gags that he's just, like, meta and fourth wall breaking that I, like, didn't think that they'd go for. I enjoyed it, but it was a lot. Charles? I enjoyed Chris Hemsworth a lot. I agree with Steve that this, the thing that I think

Hemsworth has been doing with each, each appearance as Thor is, like, slowly he's pushing that Overton window of, like, silliness to the point in this movie where it's like, he is unrecognizable from where we saw him in Thor and even in Thor Ragnarok. What I will say is hilarious that I was laughing to myself by the end of the movie. Spoiler alert is that, you know, you got these fuckboys, these fuck boy MCU fans. When I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't want a lady Thor.

Like it is, I was laughing that I'm like Chris Hemsworth was literally like, yo, Nat, Nat, like Natalie Portman. Like, you could cook for a movie, but this is still my shit. like, dog, Natalie Portman was barely in this movie. Like, she dies at the end. I was just like, wait, like, she's not taking over shit. He's like, nah, this is still my franchise. I would...

I'd be honest with you. I think that probably had more to do with her. I think she probably said, Joe. Oh, yes. No, that's a, that's a storied history of, like, a lot of the things that went down in Thor the Dark World were why she left the MCU in the first place. Well, to be honest with you, Perry Jenkins was supposed to direct the movie.

Right. And she was the reason she got that movie and then she got fired from that movie and she's like fuck this and then she was like I don't want to do it anymore so so to be honest with you I think that has more to do with her oh because I was I was assuming I was assuming like they were prepping her to be

Thor and by the end of the movie I'm like oh maybe not no maybe not like they didn't like she they didn't do it at all and so for me looking at Thor in this movie I thought so I feel like the decision to have Thor be a little lighthearted

and a little goofy in this. Thor, I point to one scene, put you like this. Remember the scene where Thor, you feel like Thor is about to take control of Asgard and give a rousing speech to get everybody back, you know what I mean, when they're in Asgard? Thor is old.

Like, he's old and he's going to get way older. We talk about all of the tragedy that he's, which it gets, I mean, worse in this movie. Thor is getting his nuts kicked in by the MCU because he loses Jane Foster in this movie. This is part for the course for the life of an Asgardian monarch. You know what I mean?

This is how this goes. They live thousands and thousands of years, and you lose people, people come, they leave. And this phase that Thor is in right now, he's going to be in it for a while. And it might change around. Like this character, for any other character, time, time change. It makes more sense for this character to have a slower progression.

You know what I mean? Through the movies, two or three movies like this because this thing is old. You know what I mean? Like he's like, yeah, go ahead. If we think about like just the shot from like Ragnarok, Infinity War end game this. Like he's like kind of really gone through. at the start of love and thunder and kind of just getting back

on track to being his old self, but really in denial about a lot of turmoil going on about himself. And then here comes Jane to kind of fill in the blanks of his last big heartbreak in his life. I think that was done incredibly well. That was fantastic. Yeah. Like that

montage that we have of them dating and then realizing why they broke up in the first place, incredibly well done. And we're bringing it to the tyco of it all. That level of like cuteness and heartfelt felt emotion. I think that's, that's the most

Taika in his bag. Joby. Jump in. I don't know, man. I, I didn't. Hi, Jomi summer.

He's like, fuck on him feelings. Go get it. It's not, no, it's not that. It's not that. No,

don't backtrack. Get your shit off. It's, I'm not backtracking. It's, it's not about the emotion. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that later.

It's the, you know, people, a lot of people, but like you guys mentioned here, like Thor's, really, you know, really boneheaded in this film.

And I don't know, maybe I saw a different film, but I just saw the same dude that I were watching on my screen for almost, for about 11 years now. Like, he is kind of a dummy. I wouldn't say he's boneheaded all the time. I would say that, like, again, it's, the movie constantly is switching gears between Thor being competent, go-getedness, and then he's talking to Stormbreaker as if it's a person,

as if it's a girlfriend that he has. That's hilarious. Which is hilarious. That was by far the funniest bit. Oh, that's the funniest bit in the film. Like, when all of a sudden,

Stormbreaker just like comes into the screen. And it looks at him? That is, that was by far the funniest thing. By the way, I will say this, Thor isn't always a bone hit. No,

he's not. But it's a really, it's a big spectrum that we're going through in this movie. Rather than in Ragnarok, there's like, there's like levels. But remember,

like, Thor is in a bonehead In any of the team up movies He's very rarely a bonehead, right? As a matter of fact, in Ultron, he is the wisest one. You know what I mean?

So he's not necessarily always a bonehead. The only reason why I say that is to say that like it, I sometimes wonder, Jemey, if the Thor that we're getting now is a tonal reaction to the fact

that so many people in his life are dying and getting clapped. And that's what I was, that was my second point. Like, you know, I kind of feel like it has gotten like a little more pronounced since

like, since Ragnarok. And you can say that, oh, Tyca came, revamped the character, gave him a whole lot of leeway. But that scene in Infinity War where he's talking to Rocket and he's like, what else do I have to lose? Right? This is a man like

at his wits end, he's gonna just like, you know, live his life, feel free. And with the Jane of it all, we keep saying of it all in this podcast. He said that a lot. We've got a... Of it all of it all. I don't like what you can say that.

The all of it of it. Yeah. When, like, finding out that Jane is, like, could die after everything. To Steve's point, that'll rock you, man. That'll rock you. And I don't know, maybe because, you know, not to, you know, be, like, super open here. That's kind of how, you know, depression works.

You just start making jokes and you start, you know, trying to deflect and not, you know, being all serious. I know that, right? So it's, it's hard. I think Thor, you know, you know, there's that conversation they have in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, New Asgard where they're trying to, like, sort out, like, how to get to how to get to, how to get to, um, where Gore the God butcher is. and they're all just like zinging back and forth with ideas. Thor, Jane, Valky. So, like, yeah, he's definitely got, like, some brains on him. But, you know, when you've gone through that, like, you definitely not going, you know, be all super serious, man.

It's true. It's true. The Midnight Boys is a center of healing. That's all I will say. Honestly, if I can open up, got to ask you all really quick. I felt this way sometimes when you're not enough. And when, you know, an ex gets a fat ass and the person you're with is. like, look at it.

Get the fuck out of here. Jesus Christ. You like, damn, like, stormbreakers, like, am I not enough? And I was like, stormbreak. I just knew that Charles was about to derail it. I just like, we were having such a good moment. That's the best use of stop the cap that has ever been used. Steve, you're amazing.

I was about to, when you said this place is a place of healing, I was like, I could pull this right now. But I didn't know if it was going to be serious. Get the fuck out of here, Charles. We got to talk about Gore to God Butcher. Charles, how do you feel like Christian Bail handle his portrayal of Gore? I agree with your previous statement. I think Christian Bale is easily the best thing about this movie where his Gore the God Butcher is funny.

He has, he's in that rare class of MCU villains that works because he has a point you agree with him. I kind of wanted him to win at a lot of different points. And not to steal Joanna's point that she had on Twitter, but like it reminded me of like DeVito and Batman Returns. Just he's just the ugliness and the kind of campiness of his portrayal. Every single time there was just like the black fucking ink like all over his face. And at the end of the movie when he's just,

he's been through so much and like he's been blinded by revenge and he finally realizes like actually Thoris Wright, the thing that I really wanted all along was to give my daughter a life to give her a chance. I thought was beautiful.

What about you? I was blown away by the guy. I think from an acting standpoint it's the best villain portrayal in the MCU. I'll be honest with you. But you know, you have one of the signature talents. I'm going to be honest.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Whoa, whoa. Ever. No, no, wait, better than Loki. Yeah. Better than Thanos. He's a better.

He's a better actor. Okay. We're not talking about. We're not talking about. I just, I just, you know what? Sometimes, sometimes I wonder about you motherfuckers. I just said from an acting standpoint, I said that. Yeah.

I get, I'm a performance standpoint. Yeah. But to me, I think he is just. obviously a freakishly good performer. Yes. Of course. And like watching him bring that to this world. And the MCU has had other freakishly good performers. Obviously Robert Donnie Jr.

You've seen him in the movie. Like that means you have Anthony Hopkins in one of these movies. So obviously. But like a couple of these movies. So I thought the way he was able to convey the pain, the, the obsessiveness. and just the corruption that the necrosword was taken on him was fantastic. And by the way, I think one of the most important scenes in the movie is when he's in front of the golden God at the beginning of the film.

And the God is not only dismissive of him, but also scary in a way, too. Like, weirdly off-putting in the lack of humanity that the God has, the God is like this weird, wide. side-eyed sort of thing that doesn't even understand what it means to be a God. And you understand why someone would want to kill that, right? And so for me, I thought Gore was very human. Obviously, at the time that you kidnapped a bunch of kids, you lose me. But at the same time, I was lost in the performance of Christian Bill. And I thought a lot of the cinematography in the movie, the shadow realm, all of that stuff,

it enhanced that performance. And that, to me, was when Tycho was in his bag the most. Since you, Mr. Oscar, I just have to ask this quick before the minute, Dition weighs in, because I want to know what they thought of

of Gore the God Butcher. How many days you think he was on set? Because like, watching the movie, I'm like, damn, some of this, he was just like,

y'all got like two weeks. Like, let's rock this shit. He might have been on, he might have been on set. I don't know how long the shoot was, but he, you know,

like a guy like that, sometimes they want to commit to these roles. So I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have been surprised if he was somewhere living and squitting. like staying there. You know what I mean?

Like they, you never know about a guy like that, actor like that about their process. So I'm not sure how long he was there. That was his actual skincare routine. Yeah. But he was just all dried up. Yeah. I never know.

But Gore, Jomi, your thoughts. Let me tell you, man. That man was cooking. He was cooking. You know, we'll talk about, we'll talk to somebody else who was in their bag later. Right. But he was absolutely 110%

until the entire film. And it worked, right? We talked about Tyca. Now he goes all the way, full percent. Christian Bill did the same thing, and it works in this film. I think to Van's point, there is a conversation to be had. Is this the best performance as a villain in an MCU film? I think he's got to be up there.

I think you've got to mention his name in the conversation. He's in the top three. Yeah, for sure. For sure. It was incredible. There's a great thing that Sean Fennesse mentioned or compared this to on the big pick that like it kind of reminded him of Pennywise, the clown, where Gore can sometimes be funny. Like there's that moment where he's like telling that story to the kids.

And I'm reminded of like one of my favorite episodes of Samurai Jack when Aku is just like telling stories of Samurai Jack to children and terrifying them, but also the kids are getting involved. And it's such a weird thing for a villain to do to try to get the people you're kidnapping on your side when they're kids and you are a demon man. I think it's incredible that Christian Bale is able to do that while also being incredibly menacing, scene chewing, ridiculous. One of the best things that the MCU's ever done, I think, is when they're in the shadow realm. And he's like kind of, he's captured all three of them and like is pulling them with all of these tentacles aside

and like kind of like indicting each one of them being like oh you're like you're a piece of shit falchery weren't you all sad when all your sisters died and you couldn't do anything like yeah why are you

incredible people that are yeah why you find out for the people that don't get shit about you like incredible incredible can we also just say Heimdale's son is the funniest

like just those two like that motherfucker could be like yo shut up pasty like he didn't say that movie but he had that I like energy. He was the man. He was the dude.

Axel. Let me tell you something about what Sean Finneycy said about Pennywise real quick. And I have to get this off of my chest. That's true for Tim Curry's Pennywise. Sure. The new motherfucker that they had played Peney Wyes, there was fucking nothing funny about that. It was goddamn terrifying. It pushed the limits of how scary the movie should be.

I'm going to be honest with you. Like the old Tim Curry, Oh, I'm a clown, but I like the kid. No, the new guy, he wasn't fucking around. It was all business. It chapter one is an incredible movie. It was terrifying, and I'll never watch it again. Oh, it's great.

I watch that all the time. It's really good. Devil Worship. But anyway, no, I loved it. I loved all of those aspects of Gore's character. I thought Gore's character was believable. I thought Gore's character. Center at the movie, brought the movie back to Center a little bit.

I enjoyed it. um jumbi mentioned the gardens of the galaxy they are in this movie for three scenes maybe the first 10 minutes or so they look different i don't know why i mean it's been a minute it's been a time like Chris Pratt is looking like a little disheveled yeah they look it it I almost kind of wish they weren't any they kind of i don't know man are the out the amazon checks not cashing uh chris pratt come on yeah okay so First and foremost, you guys, all jokes aside, the last time we saw Thor was in endgame and he was leaving with the Garg of the Galaxy. Right.

So it makes sense that the next time we see Thor, he is with the Guardians of the Galaxy. Now, for why Chris Pratt's hair looks like that, I don't have an explanation. He needs to get a fade. Like, come on, go over there. I don't know. It's been a minute you find in space, you know, you can't go to a super cuts out there in space and get a nice. little trim, you understand. But it was his words to Thor

that was like, oh man, maybe I should maybe I should go and figure out my life. Maybe I should go find somebody to love or something to love that makes him feel, what was it? Makes him feel shitty. That's what, that's exactly what it was. That's the go more of it all. Once again, the guardians who've experienced a lot of loss

are bonding over the loss. The guardians bonded over their loss in the first movie. Remember this? the fact that that, you know, Gomorra was losing her entire way of life.

A lot of drags had lost his family. Like, Rocket's whole life was lost. You know what I mean? And they, and they bonded over that whole thing

in the first movie. So that's why you see the Guardians being able to relate to Thor just like, just like, um, uh,

uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, with the set piece, the Guardians of the Galaxy setpiece, I thought it was hilarious the fact that, like, the guardians compared to Thor are so unpowerful.

It's almost not fun for him. No, no, no, no, that was funny. What I also love is that, like, the guardians are kind of all too ready to just get rid of them. Yeah, they're kind of like, come on. You're kind of dragging us down. Like, he's a god and incredibly powerful and at least an asset in that regard,

but he's just a drag a bit. It kind of seemed like Katie, on the Warriors a bit, where it's just kind of like your fucking up by the third year. Like, you're just like... He's fucking with the vibes a bit. You know, we can win a championship without you. We want a good six game series.

We don't want Thornebreaker to come in and Stormbreaker to come in and give us a sweep. Because really, when Thor came out, it was funny. When Thor came out, he did break us win. He threw Stormbreaker and Stormbreaker did all the work. Right. He just threw a whole building away. Right.

But when he did the John, John Claude Van Dam splits. That's funny. That's funny. That's funny. Like that whole scene. That was. I don't,

I don't think, like, the Guardians being in the film is, like, a problem at all. It's more of the fact, like, they do look, like, they look different. It's been a minute. It looks a little different.

It's just, it's, it's a little different, it's been a minute, but they serve a valuable, a valuable purpose in showing us, like, this is where Thor is at, and this is where he needs to go in the film. But that whole first scene,

just like, again, Very top, very at 100. I loved it. It was so much fun. Hashtag Jormy wins. Mighty Thor, Balchery, everyone else. Charles, did you like the return of Natalie Portman as Jane Foster in this movie?

I love Natalie Portman in this. I love the fact that she's obviously the one in the relationship who is just way smarter, way more competent. Thor just does not know what to do around her. And I love the, my biggest fear for this movie was, I truly don't want to watch a Jane Foster movie where she's learning how to be Thor and what it means to be a god. It's like, nope, she has the hammer. She's dope.

She's like kicking ass. We're in it. She's super confident at what she does. I thought Natalie Portman worked. And weirdly, I was kind of happy that they yada yadaed some of the cancer stuff because I'm like, I don't want to. I'm not ready to be sad. I just don't want.

That she just read a bunch of Thor books and then she could be Thor? That she read a bunch of Thor books. We mean, me and there called out to her because he enchanted the ham. Right, but like she was researching and like she's figuring out, I was like, well, maybe the ham. Like, not that that would have been a quarter flip because again, we're talking about, you know, Norse gods and everything. But it like, it was one of those things where I'm like, were this movie a bit more stretched out and like fleshed out a tiny bit more? I feel like that could have been pretty rewarding where like she was trying to figure that out rather than like, boom, she's there. Nah, yada yada that shit.

We don't got time. All right. That's fine. Did the arc work for you, Steve? It did. It really did. It was actually, like, really affecting when I saw, like, it began with, like, figuring out what actually happened between them with, like, the dating montage and how they can, in this

newfangled Thor universe where, you know, people are happy and having fun and not deadly serious, that they can kind of be that sort of, like, rom-com couple post-breakup where they're like, oh hey how's it going just got a hammer huh and like how have you like that that kind of back and forth they're surprisingly very good at and Natalie Portman is like again shockingly funny like not that she was being held back from that but it certainly wasn't the go-to character that Jane Foster could be like bantering back and forth with a funny Thor I loved it I absolutely loved it movie has some romantic economy elements in it did they work for you Charles I actually think that one of the

failings of the movie is that they probably should have picked a genre to stick to. If they were like, this is a romantic comedy with Jane Foster and Thor, I would have been in because those flashbacks to me were so funny and kind of so heartbreaking

because just seeing their relationship deteriorate slowly and neither of them knowing how to fix it, I was like, I would have watched this movie. I actually would have watched an hour of this I kind of wish they would have stayed there

longer. That's the thing. Like this movie is like six different movies, all of which are executing pretty well. It's just so many things to keep like whiplashing back and forth from. Like there's there are horror elements to this movie. There's like extreme action. There's high comedy. It's like

there's a lot going on here. Mildare is back. With the BBL. Jolie, what's so funny about that. I was loading up by take. And you was like, Milner's back.

I was like, yeah, that's true. Billner's back. Skip me. Well, skip me. No, no, no. We need the take. Get that take off.

No, we're starting with Milnear being back with Jomey. That's where we're starting. That's why I'm coming to Jomey right now. Get on your take, Jomey. Seeing Milner back, you know, brought a lot of great memories.

I was very happy. And what was really cool was how it would like split and it come back. Like, that was tight. I don't know what to tell you. That's great. Shadows into a million pieces and then hits everything, comes back. That's super, super cool.

That was tight. And I love how it, like, because we got, we talked about it just a second ago. We talked about the dating montage between Thor and Jane, really well done, gave me the feels, right? And you have that tension between them of, like, X's, you know, they dated for a little bit. You know, it is weird being back. The bit with Thor, the love triangle between things. Thor, Bielnair, Stormbreaker, like, made the film. It made the film.

Like, it was just, it was legitimately, like, watching, you know, like, I want to say, like, a, like, a, like, a comedy on, on, on television. And you're just like, oh, no, man, we was, yeah, no, don't even think

about it like that. We were just talking. We were just talking. When he reaches out for Milnear, and Stormbreaker comes across the screen, he's like, oh, no, I was just, I was just stretching. I don't. don't worry about it. Like it's,

it's, it's, comedic gold. Wait, can I ask you this because it's a hot Jomi summer? Show me. Yeah. Because it's a hot Jomi summer, I have to ask you,

what type, who are you picking? If you're Thor, wow. Are you, are you going back to the one that got away or are you sticking

with the one that stood beside you helped you pick up the pieces? Okay, okay. Okay, now that's a good, that's a good question. And, you know, this segment is what I like to call Jomi telling on himself.

Yeah. And here's the thing. thing, right? We have to think about this critically and be really big-brained about this. Okay, you have to be honest to your stuff. It should be true to yourself, right? Do you want to go back to the old you? Or are you happy with the new you that you found? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, that's really what it's about. Now, if it was me personally, I'm moving forward to myself. You understand what I'm saying. You got his growth.

It's growth. You know what I'm saying? You know, not, let me be honest. I'm going to be like, listen, I'm a stormbreaker. Listen, Neerner showed up. You know, she's trying to talk to me. You know, we had a conversation. Yeah.

But at the end of the day, I told her straight up, it's, it's you. It's you. So don't, don't feel of worry. Listen, million years back in town. We're just going out. Like, it's not like that anymore. Yeah. No, meonier is getting blocked.

million they can't even get in contact Listen, she hit my, she hit my line Is Stormbreaker going through your phone making sure? Can I tell you the difference? Can I tell you the difference to your story breaking Bill there though? What's up? It's like, Stormbreaker is for everybody.

You ain't got to be worthy to pick up Stormbreaker. Oh, now. Come, okay. You ain't got to be worth. Have some respect. Have some respect. Stormbreakers for everyone. Like, you got to be, you got to be worthy

to wrap your fingers around. If I recall, if I recall Milnear was having a little dalliance with Captain America in a one Avengers End game. Speak on to Steve. But here's the thing. And Thor was cool with it. Thor was very cool with it. The reason why Thor was cool with it is because Thorneux knows that he worthy of that. You know what I'm saying?

Meanwhile, Stormbreaker will be laying on the ground. You pick Stormbreaker up. It's like whatever. I'm not saying you got to try to control Stormbreaker's body. Let's not talk to out on Stormbreaker. Stormbreaker. will be in the buy frost with anybody janky-ass by frost.

Okay, but here's a thing. Let's not act like Stormbreaker didn't chop off Thanos's head. Like, let's not act like Thanos's head was not on the ground. Like Stormbreaker, like, was putting up numbers. So we need to stop this. Oh, no, no, whoa. Stormbreaker is the thing. The thing. I don't want to make it a man.

Stormbreaker. I prefer. I prefer. You stay in with Stormbreaker. I'm saying with Stormbreaker. I'm I mean, if we're just talking looks, I think, I think, I think Milnear is pretty bad. Like, looks a lot better. But to me personally, stormbreaking could do almost everything

Mildare can do but more. You know what I'm saying? Like, plus, Milnear is that that's in a range marriage. Your daddy gave you that. Mileneer doesn't cook, Mileneer doesn't clean,

but let me tell you how Mileneer got this ring. Let me tell you. I'm saying, I'm saying. But you know what's funny about this is we make a light of it, but I think, though, I don't want to over intellectualize,

but I think the back and forth between the two hammers is very representative. It represents moving on to something else that you needed at a time and your worst place. Think about it when store goes against Stormbreaker. That's when he needs

more than anything. He needs a weapon to help him slay the biggest dragon in the whole universe. And it was a tragedy when he lost his hammer. So I think the back and forth that it really meant something that I was interested in the movie because the question is which one would you want?

Would you want your ultimate Thanos killing weapon back or do you want the weapon that you had when you were a kid back? You know, which one would you rather? You know, so it's crazy. Tessitopters back as Valkyrie. I talk about people who weren't on set very much. I don't feel like she was in the movie that much

to be honest with you. I expected there to be much more Valkyrie in the movie. I'm sorry. Am I wrong about that? You're not wrong. It was actually like Tessa is when she's used is so effective and funny. I was almost wondering why like she's badass in the movie. But there was a couple times where I'm like she can do.

It's almost like they had to not depower her, but it felt like she had to take a back seat because like we have to introduce the Mighty Thor and, you know, Chris is here. I'm like, wait, why is she giving up Zeus's thunder, like lightning bolt now? What the fuck? Why is she not jumping into the fray that much? Yeah, when she was like, I'm staying on Earth. I'm like, no, Valkyry would be in that shit. Like, what's happening?

I remember a contentious review of this movie saying that she takes a backseat in this movie, which like you could say that. But again, this movie's got a lot going on. And you could only use so many things so many times. And I think in the real estate that Valkyrie needs to take up, up, like also Jane needs to be there. Mighty Thor needs to be there. Where the God Bookcher's entire story needs to be there. Like there's a lot of moving parts that happen to come with this. And for the times that she's used, she's a great flavor that's

along for the ride that I can't be mad at when she is. I feel like we could have used more of her, but then again, we could have used a lot more of everything. Well, I think that her role is, you know, very defined. Like she's, you know, we talk about, you know, big threes,

right? Chris Hemsworth is, is Bronn, right? Mighty Thor is D. Wade, right? Somebody's got to be Bosch.

You understand? She can't be Bosch, though. Come on. Somebody got to be boss. Listen, listen, somebody's got it

to be the third banana. I smell the chitlin juice from here. I'm just saying. Listen, you got, you got LeBron, you got Kyrie, somebody got to be K-loves, right?

That's just, that's how it goes. Damn, the hater, the energy from Joe me this crazy. It's not hating. That's just how the chips go. Right? Somebody has to be like, all right, instead of averaging 24 a game, I got to average 18.

Instead of averaging, you know, 25 shots a game, I got to average 17 because it's just not for me. It's not, I'm not going to get the ball that much, right? And so, unfortunately, for Tesla, it was her this. Honestly, if anybody's Bosch, it's Cork, because my man, Corg was... I like Cork. True.

That being said, though, in Tessa's time, she was... I, like, had a blast with her. She's a great actress. Speaking of Cork, the movie is refreshingly casual about the fact that Cork is gay, about the fact that Tessa Thompson and her character, Valkyrie had a girlfriend, wants a girlfriend, it's a gay character. there's been discussion about whether or not the movie goes far enough

into some of these themes because love is such a a core element of the movie the movie seems to be trying to express and celebrate all love which is very important. How did you guys feel like those themes were handled in the movie?

I'll be honest, I think that if you're expecting at this point, in 2022 for Disney to be where you get your queer representation, you're going to be waiting a while. That company ain't doing it. That's going to be real. Like, the fact that they got any of this shit in the movie, I think, is amazing. I'm not saying I'm applauding it.

I'm just saying that, like, how many times are we going to do this with a Disney movie where we're like, it didn't go far enough. And I'm like, well, maybe the company doesn't really, had I, this. Maybe the company is not the ally that you think they are. And that opens up a whole can of worms. I do think it should have gone farther, in my opinion. I do. I wish they would go farther in the Star Wars. I wish there's a galaxy far far away. There should be queer people in it. That is just a thing that should happen. I don't know why everyone in Star Wars is straight. It makes no sense. Same thing with the MCU. Like, come on, there's blue aliens running around fucking everything.

I don't know why two men or two women kissing or any LGBTQ showing love is a wild thing in 2022. Yeah, it's a lot of saying. It's a lot of people, it's a lot of people just saying it. And rather than showing it. You know, we get that scene with Corg and his,

it is boyfriend or husband making their little baby, which is really cute. I love that. But like, why not just give Alcari a girlfriend, right? And like, have that be like a thing. I know part of her journey is like I want somebody, but like, you know, for, you know, like, sure, we can say it, but it would be nice to see it. It's what I was doing.

It would be really nice to see it. I'm going to go glass half full here. I think if we go back to, I think that what we've had now, I'm not going to say this is the end. It's the beginning, but at least we have a beginning here. I'm going to go glass half full. I'm going to think the movie discussed it. I don't know if there's room for it. Valchary girlfriend in here.

That could have been, or a wife, two queens of Asgard. But if I think about Dr. Strange and Multiverse of Madness, if I think about Eternals, if I think about this movie, I see that I'm getting the representation of my LGBTQ plus brothers and sisters pretty significantly and consistently in the big films that Marvel is putting out and I'm not giving any pats on the back because this is not there's no to pat on the back. This is the way things should be.

But what I'm saying is if I had to choose between half empty and half full, I'm actually going half full here. I was, I was tickled and like happy to hear cora say that. I was happy that the movie dealt with it in such a casual, like it didn't seem like the film patting itself on the back for doing it, which it shouldn't pat itself on the back for doing it and I enjoyed that, Steve? I would agree. It is great and refreshing to see because

Lord knows it should be, it is the way that things should be. And it's a we like it feels like more of a big deal when it's presented as not that big of a deal. Like the fact that all of these things are casually mentioned even if they are on the margins and even if Disney seems to be tiptoeing around the idea of queerness and films. You know, great to see. Let's

let's see if we can up that energy please. And maybe not have some really bad policies that your company enforces. That would be my take. That would be my take. That makes a really good point. I think between Eternals and Multifers First of Madness in this movie, like it's starting to become more regular, right? And that, you know, it's a great start, right?

Like, cool. We just want, like, it doesn't have to be, like, a big deal. Like, we, like, this is something that I feel like a lot of people want, I know I want it. I know, you know, you know, all of us on this call would really love to see this thing peripheralate in the MCU and have it just be like, oh, someone's so main characters in a queer relationship. That's cool.

Let's keep it pushing. Like, it's not like a big deal. And so ultimately, like, we just want to get to that. We just want to get to that spot where we see these characters in queer relationships. And it's like perfect, awesome. I love this. Let's keep it pushing. I just don't want to.

Because it's normal. Here's the thing. Probably why I'm just like, eh, like, it's just like, I want it to get to the point where I'm just like,

hey, maybe there should be so much queer representation in this film that it feels, that there's some equity, that there's some equality, that is just not me being like, if I stare long enough, like if I go,

here's, I'll put it to you this way. This is the last thing I'll say. If I go to the bathroom and I miss your queer representation in the five minutes, I'm in the bathroom, like,

I'm just not going to give you the high five. Like, there needs to be some level of equity and equality. and the people who get to cast it, write it, put it on screen enough that it is in the entire movie. That's all I'll say.

Fair enough. What did you think about the representation of Zeus? How do you feel about that, Charles? How do you feel about Zeus' representation? Zeus' representation matters. Zeus went out like a bitch. I mean, not really. He's alive.

Yeah, he's alive. I didn't think they were going to kill Zeus. Zeus was funny as hell. Zeus was so funny. So funny. So funny. Zeus wasn't, he wasn't Games Master level funny because

Games Master was just Goldblum, but he, he was funny, he kind of basically kind of was though because he he was funny as hell. The fact that that Russell Crowe greaked it up

you are not invited to urge it. Like what? But also, to be fair, Thor's love this man of just being like, yo, like, Thor is like a barb. Like he was looking at

Zeus like, yo, this is my man. I love you. That shit was so fucking funny. I will say if there was a point in the whole like omnipidant city that I was just like that's the joke that tips me into the like somebody need to rail you back.

It's the dumpling god. The dumpling god was the one where I was like, you didn't love the dumpling god? Oh, come on. Come on. No, I wasn't fucking with it. was so cute. Oh, Charles. Where's your heart? Yeah, Charles.

I'll give you all the goats. I'll give you all a lot of things. It was a dumpling god where I was just like, this is one too many jokes in this thing. You know what I was expecting to see? I was expecting to, because in expectance.

I was so sorry. I apologize. I apologize. I'm an expectation. I caught myself. Wow, wow. They said that in some of the steals that came out, Bass, the Panther God was there.

I don't know if it actually was bass but I was just pretending it was something from bass right there but there was no bass right there next to the robbery whatever. I enjoyed Zeus. I thought Zeus was good.

I thought Zeus was so good. Zeus was so good. Zeus typified the apathy of the gods and the heatism of the gods and I think you needed something that big the head god who you think would be invoited to typify all they care about the fact was

they were safe and that they were having an orgy And I think the fact that Zeus took one on the chin And now it feels like he has to come back And conquer Earth or put his foot down He's going to use Hercules to do it Which is it will be interesting It's a very powerful Marvel character I thought was pretty good too

So it seems like we were all feeling Zeus in the movie Hell yeah Like also the other thing Zeus's lightning bolt as a weapon Was kind of confused like is this How powerful is that? It's when you could teleport with it. I was like, what?

That was, that was a head scratch. I was like, oh, wait. I thought this was just like a powerful little wand where you can like throw it around and it's like cool lightning shit, but like you can, like, this is like a little bifrost, isn't it? All right, if we're going to do, can you give me the quarter flip really quick here? Uh, sure. All right.

It's no damn sense. If there's anything in this movie that I was just like, maybe this was left in the four hour cut, it was everything that these weapons could do now, like, Stormbreaker, like, all of a sudden went from like, all right, Stormbreaker. They're just like, all right, yeah,

this is the gateway to the ship, and it's going to let us sail. And also, it's going to take you to eternity. And it's going to be a key. And all these things, I was just like, wait, what? Like, what? The fact that I love the idea that Stormbringer is essentially, like, the motor on a motorboat that gets you across the galaxy.

I like that. Yeah, it was just doing a lot where I was just like, Stormbreaker is like the Duce X Machina. That that motherfucker could do anything. Same thing with the thought. They're like the lightning bolt. They're like, man, the lightning bolt, we got to get it. And I'm just like, okay, like, how, is it more powerful than Stormbreaker?

Same. Is it less powerful than Neil and Muir? They were acting like, we need this thing to take out Gore. And then, like, Valkyrie had it. And that shit didn't really do anything. So the whole time, I was like, what's the power levels of these weapons? What can they do? Why are they here?

You're obsessed with power scaling and powers. Yes. You love power scaling. I don't disagree. Because, I mean, that's not that I disagree. I didn't really think about it, but it is true. Like, we never really got the sense of, it would seem to be another weapon that could be used at a weapon.

You know what I mean? But I didn't get the sense of what the weapon could actually do. I don't know if the movie had enough time to go into that, but that is true. That is true. I kind of like didn't really know what the lightning boat was capable of. Sorry, that was my only, not my only, but that was like the one where I was just like, because even with the lightning boat, they give it to Valkyrie and then they give it to Thor and Thor uses it, but it's not really powerful enough to take out Gore. So I'm like, why did they need this in the first place?

Yeah, well, they came there for an army, but they settled for the lightning boat. You know what I mean? Take what you can get. All right, that is true. So check this out. We have to talk about Thor before. coming a father. Gore makes it to eternity, which was very interesting explaining to Kalika what eternity was.

You know, there was a hall there. We saw all of these celestial gods in there. We saw the watcher was in. She got to see them all there. We were going there. There's a living tribunal. Everybody was there. Erisham was there.

Gore gets to eternity. We see eternity, which was very fascinating to see eternity for the first time in the MCU. It's interesting to me. And he, rather than kills killing all the gods, He revised his daughter, which is kind of what he should have been there to do in the first place. But I realized that he was being, I realized he was being corrupted by the necrowsort. So I realized that, but it's kind of should have been the mission from the first place. And then Thor raises Gore's daughter.

How do we feel about this turn of events? That is something I wasn't expecting. That came out of nowhere, and I was immediately, like, I actually am more interested in that movie. Like, I want to see Thor, love, in the galaxy. What did you guys think of it? Because this is played also by Chris Hemsworth, Dottie, daughter, India, right? Yeah, yeah.

See, I, personally, I have no experience raising other people's kids. But I think there's something. Jomey, are you sure? Excuse me? Yeah. It's been a hot Jomey Summer. No. No, I've got, I've never done that before.

Like, it's something I've never been experienced with. But watching the film, I'm like, to Charles, I'm like, yo, that would be really fun. Like, how? Yeah. There's a little scene in the kitchen where he's like, well, we're making pancakes. I don't want to eat pancakes. I don't want to wear boots. He's like, no, you're going to do what I tell you.

And it's like, watching Thor be a father and like all this because, you know, I'm not, again, like I said, I'm not raising any kids. It's funny because, you know, you talk about how parents are always like, man, if you know what you put me through. You know what I'm saying. and Thor put his pops through the ringer. He literally sent him to Earth to know a lesson. I can't imagine what somebody raised by Thor the hell they would put Thor through. So I would love to see that to Charles' point.

I would love to see an extended version of that. Steve. Yeah. On a scale of 1 to 10, how do you think Thor's pancakes are? Oh, probably not great. Those are box pancakes. Those are box pancakes. Those are box pancakes.

Yeah. Yeah, they looked. But they looked all right, though. Box pancakes, box pancakes don't have to be bad. They don't have to be bad, but he'll probably just use box pancakes and throw like some blueberries in it and like say it's all right. And you know what? That's good enough for the kid.

The biscuit mix when you make it. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. For me, it's too much. It's got too much air in it. All right.

All right. Five star chef. Okay. Jami, tell us how you make pancakes real quick. What do you do? Well, I make them so in Nigeria wave, there's no leavener, right? So there's no lift. There's no baking powder or, or,

baking soda to like create air. It's just eggs, milk, flour, sugar, right? So it's real frat. You get a nice crisp around the edges. Okay. And, you know, nice cooked on the middle. Oh, it's thicker than a crepe, of course.

Um, we put some syrup on it and you could like, you know, in a pancake, you probably eat like three, like two, maybe three at a time before you're like, oh, man, it cooked me. You could probably do like, you know, like, honestly, like four or five Nigerian pancakes because they're like, they don't have that leavener. They don't like, they don't puff up, you know what I'm saying? So I don't don't take up too much bacon. in your belly when you eat him so

Dam Carmi? Go on. That's okay, Joey. Jeremy, yeah. All right. So, Thor, the movie ends with Thor and love. In the movie, love is played by Thor's

daughter in here. Thor will return, the movie says. When, how, and where? Avengers Five, baby. Does that even ever happen? When are we saying Thor again, guys?

I mean, Avengers probably. It's more so I'm questioning, I'm like, is Love going to be a young Avenger? Because she's got a while in out there. I'm just like, it might be like she's not a team player, you know? Yeah. I'm interested to see where they go with that. Obviously, you know, I'm interested to see where Valkyrie story goes,

if it goes anywhere. We got SIF back. SIF is now one-arm SIF, like we've seen before, we got SIF back. Thor and Siff's going to finally get it together. I mean, you know, there's a lot of things. I don't know when Thor is coming back. But the fact that they said Thor will return made me excited.

Oh, you think she Hulk, Jennifer Walters, because they're together in the comic books or they were last time I was ringing Avengers. You think that she's going to be the stepmother who stepped up to love? Could be. Could be if she gets her CGI situation together, you know? Jesus. Whoa, you sound like Hope baby Chuck today. I'm not the CGI I'm not the CGI connoisseur that you are

but when something smells like shit it smells like shit I'm not the Cgeny connoisseur that you are come on man it'll be better by the time it comes out guys whatever I have faith it's got time you know what I mean it's got time was it come out next month you know they could get to I figure by next month they could get to I'm not doing I'll be real if they work on I'm not doing 12 if they work on I'm not doing 12 straight episodes. Fentz of Menace? They can get to Phantom Menace level

CGI if they work round the clock. What's specifically? Because right now, right now, they're at like Eraser level CGI. That are supposed to say. Eraser. They can get to Phantom Menace. You're sick.

If they were year round. How dare you bring up eraser? That's so foul. Go back and watch a race. Real life file. Like go back and watch Eraser, man. I need apologies. I need a signed apology.

Y'all better go at Van the same way. Y'all go at me. You know what, Charles, you're a weird guy, bro. Like, you're like, it's like, you're a weird dude. It's like, y'all better, hey, man, Van said it. Get on his ass the same way. Why would you want them? Why would you want people to make, why would you want that, Doc?

Why? Charles was like, hey, hey, we was on the group chat. Like, Jomey said, fuck door. Tell you. Is that you. No, no, no, no. Y'all do this thing. I feel like it's coordinated.

Y'all hype me the fuck up. I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go in. I'm about to go in. And I'm like the dude. Like, I'm now on like stage by myself. I'm like, yo, where the boys at? And y'all hired him. Like, yo, he fell for that shit again.

Like. Charlie Brown with the football with you Some of the best bits from the movie Melissa McCartney played hella

Of course we have more God No I just didn't like you Wow Okay cool We had another Matt Damon signing

More Hemsworth brothers Darcy and Selvick Happy to see Darcy Darcy Yeah Happy to see Darcy My wife Beautiful lady

Go jump Moving on from that Did you guys know that our man Darrell is in this film you guys are like who's Darrell if you remember

from the team Thor shorts back on the Civil War was coming out and they were filming they had these little things and Thor was living with Darrell and was like a big Adada Darrell is living in a new Asgard

like the Hawker is like yo Darrell we need you out I was like ah I didn't even catch that oh wait shit We forgot. Talk about New Asgard. I have another quarter flip.

Oh, here we go. Yeah. We got to be real. Yo. It's wild that they have a Thanos ice cream store. Like, you know how much Thor went through to kill this motherfucker? That's funny. I will say this, though, they sometimes, to your point, they sometimes treat the stuff like we would treat it.

But it would be a Thanos ice cream store because. He killed half the people on her. Yeah. I'm like, you'll kill half these motherfuckers. They're like, yo, he got an ice cream store now. I'm like, dog, that shit is wild. But also what are the flavors? Right.

That is true. But also one of the flavors. Right. Snapcackle pop. I feel like there's a good blueberry. There's got to be a good blueberry waffle cone. There's one flavor called Back to Me. You know what I'm saying?

Back to me. Do you think there's like a Rocky Road, Gomorra flavor? Jesus Christ. Oh, that is so fucked up. That is. That is. Raspberrys? Oh,

fucked up, bro. Oh, my God. Jesus. There's a black widow berries flavor. So fucked up. I cannot believe. I did not think that.

That's brilliant. Like, that is so fucked, bro. I'm sorry. Jane Foster, ghost of Valhalla, so we don't feel so bad about it. she comes back, she's in Valhalla, she died fighting,

she gets to be there with Han Dahl. Marvel, do me a favor. No fucking dread wigs. I'm begging you, dog. I swear to God, we have Nate Moore back on. We will have Nate Moore back on. I'm not talking about that to challenge you anymore.

I'm talking about the fact, no more lock wigs. It's bad. No more fucking braid wigs. no more any of that no fucking more

I can't take it this shit looks like a Tyler Perry movie bro just look he's in Belhalla now let him rock

with his regular haircut let him rock with a regular his elbow haircut he's a bad howl he got shaped

up not a big deal to be fair to be fair he probably only filmed for 15 minutes they probably

slapped that thing on his said put them in a green screen in like downtown LA. At that point just don't give them a wig at all. Just don't give them the wig. Give them the eyes. Let them have his fade. We out. Don't do this again.

They did have string looking rough. It was tough. It was wild, right? Number one, they already fucked over them. Was it? Ragnar Rock or was it? Infinity War when we saw it. No, we saw him with dreads and in Raggar Rock. We saw him in Raggar Rock. Right? They already fucked over him.

And then in the aftermath of mortal we just can't take no more man like we can't and the next the next film is what kind of forever I'm scared honestly I'm gonna be real if there's a Thor 5 in Axel you know got the push of T-braids I might have to fight like I'm telling you right now I'm like

if they're gonna do that Axel grow your shit out dog it needs to be real don't I'm not doing it but start right you got to start right you got to start right now. You gotta start right now. Are we gonna miss Jane at all? She's coming back? I don't think so. From the dead? No. I think that I think it was a small miracle that we got Natalie Portman to come back for this movie. I really, really do. I think that she's like, okay,

it's gonna be, this is gonna be it, but you're gonna kill me. Like, this is gonna, she did this with Harrison Ford in Star Wars. You're like, you're gonna give me a bunch of money. I'm gonna die and I'm not gonna do this again. still Rise of Skywalker. Exactly. Like Harrison Ford, we might get her back as, you know,

a little apparition, maybe like a flashback or like a little ghost. Well, if it gets bad as Rise of Skywalker, we've got bigger problems than bringing Natalie Porter back. That's very true. Yeah, that's the character.

I just watched it a couple of days ago. Don't do this bullshit. Rosser Skywalker, underrated movie. I'm, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Joking.

No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. That's not funny. That's not funny, man. Like, I'm not laughing. Joking. That's not funny. Jomey literally took his mic off of his mic stand.

That's not funny. Nobody's having a good time. You're the only person laughing. Joking. It's a joke. Okay. Now, I'll post crazy real quick. Rick Goldstein as Hercules.

This is a more than significant development in the MCU, guys. What do we feel like this means? I mean, I will say that there was a great Greg Pock run with Hercules back in the day when I was a kid. I would love a Hercules and Amadeus show Disney Plus TV series with Brett Gultzine I would if they greenlit that shit Amade's show paling around with Hercules

hunting down Thor? Come on, sign me the fuck up. I want that shit. Here's what I'll say. And take this journey with me, if you will. We talk about Thor being a jokester being a clown, more than he ever has. Could you imagine

if you will a buddy cop comedy with Thor cracking jokes and Brett Goldstein's Hercules as a straight man Lethal weapon Tell me that's not jokes

Tell me that's not jokes The only thing that would piss me off is that Hercules is far from a straight man Like in a comic book Hercules is like far from a straight man But you see it You see it

it, Jomey. I see it. Because for this iteration, Thor has already been, you let Brett Goldstein come up, give you a little bit more of that pomp and circumstance that Thor still.

How about Brett Goldstein is in a place now that Thor was and Thor won? And he has to learn how to let go a little bit from Thor, you know what I mean? And maybe Zeus is your villain. Yeah, maybe

Zeus is your villain. I don't know. They start off as enemies. and they coalesce that come together and you're like we work better as a team even though

I'm saying he's listening to the body he's a big fan this is tango in my line this is tag on cash we do tango this is rush hour

this is rush hour this is this is this is the movie this is the movie and love is somewhere in there you know what I mean they're probably gonna age her up wait oh if this was rush hour maybe Zeus kidnaps love

Hercules and Hercules and Thor got a Go on a little adventure to go saver. That's what I'm talking about, maybe. Or this could be part of the Doctor Doom origin movie. All right. All right. Let's get to the midnight.

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Guys, it's time to rank Thor and Love and Thunder on the easy to understand Midnight Meter. Steve put that in there fucking with people. For those unfamiliar, the Midnight Meter is where the Midnight Boys write a film on the scale of what's 12. The normal ranking is of 1 to 10, anything above, is reserved only for timeless, game-changing movies. That being said, gosh, what do we rate Thor, Love, and Thunder on the Midnight meter

and explain why the Mitt Boys will go first. We will start with Steve. This is a seven. This is a rock-solid seven. Great, great, great parts, a little all over the place, but definitely holds it together for the most part incredible performances lots of laughs a good time at the movies dude the seven is nuts but we can talk about that at a later time opinions are nuts right um i had a great time in the film i thought everything that the things that worked worked

and everything that i come to expect from a tycho a t t i you know, emcee movie, even though there's only been two, have, like, were on display. And even though

there was a lot going on, I enjoyed it. So, all of that to say, I will be giving this, I got to, I gotta give it a nine.

Oh, you're awesome. Come on. I got to get a line. I got to get a nine. Listen. Come on. Opinions are crazy,

aren't they, Jomemy? Jomi, okay, cool, Jomi. That's, that's a nine out of ten.

a nine out of ten well yeah well no fucking I'm sticking with my not I'm sticking with my not I'm I'm sticking on my not here's the thing right here's the thing

if you go back and we look Kevin Fikey's paying your student loans let's move on all right like I want to hear I want to hear it I want to hear

if you go look back and you do what if we I mean if we look back at the stuff that we've ranked this year right for example right let's Steve

gave multiverse of madness six okay yeah I gave multiverse of madness an eight right right okay this movie's better this movie's better than multiverse of madness so you're here's the thing you're scoring yourself

into a corner Jomey I'm not scoring myself into a corner it's mathematical you kind of are I can't make I'm not tripping on the fact that does that not make sense I'm not tripping on the fact that you're trending the same way as Steve that trends well for you guys as personalities Jomi yeah your Sunshine and Roses guy we love that about you.

What I'm saying is a nine. You know what? It's your shit. A nine. It's a nine out of two. If I gave this, if I gave multiverse madness an eight and that movie is not as good

as multivoresa madness, it doesn't make sense to give it anything lower than an eight. Right. Right. Or even scored the same. Because I enjoy this one more than I enjoy multivots of madness.

I'm going to be honest with you. And this is the thing about the midnight meter. Shout out to the midnight meter account over on Twitter. This is about the midnight meter. The midnight meter is going to change when we look back. We're going to have an audience.

it. We are going to have an audit. The midnight meter is going to change when we look back at some of these movies. It will. Until then, this movie's a night for me. So what I'm saying is it doesn't make any sense. You can rank the movie whatever you want. But when I think about the midnight meter, I have to think about, I can't think

about what I gave other movies. Because I can't. I have to rank it in the moment. Also, and to be fair, what I think the midnight meter doesn't take into account is like because we're an instant reaction show. Like, dog, like, I got to see this three or four. Like, I got to watch it out home. Of course.

time might might be a little bit unkind like we got to adjust Charles was sure come on I'm with Steve this shit is a seven it's the most solid seven I'm a solid seven

it's a solid seven that's ever existed so then what would you give Ragnarok Ragnarok is a fucking 11 that's a yeah I'd say that's an 11 yeah that's in the Pathanarck is a fucking 11 I think that I don't think it's that I don't think

okay Ragnarok is special right 11 is accurate. I would agree with an 11. I think this film is like a few steps down, right? Not completely, totally. Not like in like a four steps down type of way, but like in a

two steps down kind of way. Right. The math is math and for that. The math is math and. You got to, you know, conceptualize this thing. I would say, by the way, Charles, give me your seven rationale. I just agree with you. My seven is like, I like this movie. It's like big,

It's dumb in the best way possible. I laughed. I felt like a kid. But if you're asking me, does this reach the heights of the other phases? Not even close. Will this movie probably fall apart narratively upon more viewings?

Absolutely. So I think a seven is like, did I have fun at the movie theater? Am I happy I saw this? Did I smile like that? It's a solid seven. It's a passing score. But it's not a seven for me.

To your point, earlier in the pod, you said it. Like, it's like, I left the theater and I'm like, ah, yeah, cool, cool. Like, I'm glad. All right. That was cool.

So look, I say, I say, I say it's a silent seven. If it, more than any other movie that we've done, this movie, uh, is, this movie is, uh, it's a little hampered by the fact that we don't do 0.5 ratings on the midnight meter. I'll give it a 7.5. Because it's probably a 7.5. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So, but I would have given an 8.5, you know. It's probably a 7.5. I can't give the movie an 8 though. But I can't give the movie an 8. I can't give the movie an 8. And I respect your 9, but damn. Like, I got to do it. Can I ask you this van, though?

I really, I really am interested in because this, what was the last Rotten Tomato score, like, as of this recording? Like 71%. Like 71%? Really? I thought it was at a 69. Let me check. It might have been. But if it's at a 69, then...

It's out of 69 right now. Okay. So... Nice. So what I want to ask you, Vin, is, like, I think Dr. Strange broke all of us in a myriad of ways. And it seems like Thor is getting a lot of hate because we're at the end. We're almost at the end of this phase. And it seems like people are like, or at least, what's the next movie coming out?

We got Wakanda forever. and then like a slew of TV shows. I don't know when this phase end. Let's talk about the movies. We got Wakanda forever. It feels like this is pent up frustration after like Eternals, Dr. Strange, even Black Widow not being what it probably should be, where it's like it seems like the audience is almost like overhating on this

because with the other movies, they're like, no, no, we're going to get to the later stages and there's going to be something. There's going to be something. And I think this was finally the movie where I think it's settled in for a larger audience that maybe this is kind of the average now. This is what these movies are going to be until the MCU gets back on track. So I don't disagree with you. I think there's black on both sides here.

Shout out most of. I think that the people that say the audience's expectations of the films has gotten a little bit to control aren't wrong. They're not. And I think the people that are saying that there's a bit of a slump in the MCU that it's just not wrong. You know what I mean? Like they're not wrong.

So I think there's a sweet spot there to where, and Radnorock hurts the movie and the expectations hurt the movie, obviously, to where, you know, a movie on an Ant Man level. An Ant Man was cool. It comes out. We go, oh, okay, that's cool. but like we talked about the fact that you know during that same year or right after that you get civil war or something comes out that just kind of knocks you on your ass and you're like Jesus you know so you don't forget that some of the movies that came out were cool fun times at the movies and not necessarily this you know all-encompassing enthralling and huge huge deal like a civil war in game or an infinity war even a ragner rock you know they were in a really sweet spot right there and so I agree with what you're saying, but you can't turn your, you can't turn your eye away from the fact that this,

this year, Marvel movies was supposed to be bullied by an incredible film going experience in Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness, or at least we thought it. I don't know why we thought it. And an incredible filmmaking experience going to see Thor, Love, and Thunder, I don't know why we thought it. And neither one of those movies were incredible. They were good. They were cool. And so,

legislating that as much as possible, Jomi shaking his head, legislating that as much as possible isn't going to change the fact that most people went to those movies and thought they're cool. Like, you're not mad. I'm not like, fuck the MCU, but the movies are 7 out of 10, it's cool. It's cool. What do you want me to say? What do you want me to say, Jomey?

Hey, Jomey! No. What do you want me to say? I agree with you. this is where like I got to put my agenda head on is because we got on this podcast when multiverse madness came out. And we talked about it for maybe like 30, 30, 45 minutes about how, where is the MCU going? What's going on? What are we doing here? You know? And let's be honest. People were like, yes, you got to hold on. Gotta be patient. Gotta wait. Wait. Keep waiting. and while there is some, like, hey, there is some, you know, level of,

let's, like, see the whole picture before you make an assumption. Now, everybody's, everybody's upset. This, like, I honestly believe the reason why this film is sitting at, like, 69%. It was like, bro, what are we doing here? What's going on? That of that. Like, that's part of the conversation.

And, again, it's not. not, they're taking it on this film, I feel unfairly, right? Despite the fact, we, we have said this for months. We were the first people on it. If we were being honest about it. We were the first people, yeah, guys.

Oh, talk that talk. All right? Like, we were like, hey, guys, what's going on? Like, again, you don't have, like, to be, like, just, we are, we're not die-hards, right? We're like, what was it? Dyes for, like, a level below that? You know what I'm saying?

Or hard. A lot of the, the hearts. The guys are hard. Hards. The casual fan doesn't know what an incursion means. They are like, Secret Wars, huh? What's that? Like, we're, like, sitting here, like, we, there are crumbs.

A little, uh. Kevin Faggy's throwing us a little, uh, off the Pop-Tart, a little, uh, off the brownie. You understand what I'm saying? Where the chunks at, fam? Like, normally, like, within, like, how many, you want the chunks? want chucks. I am not saying that, like, me not getting the chunks makes me hate the stuff less. But I feel like it is affecting the way people are watching and viewing these things.

With all the content, with the TV shows, the movies, everything going on, we're sitting here, we're looking like, hey, man, where does this all go? Where does this all lead? Right? Part of it is just there's a lot of, there's a lot of content. And it's not going anywhere. And people are upset about that. And they're taking down to this movie unfairly.

all that being said, we knew this, we said this, we called this. Yeah, we called this. So this is what I'd say about that is that I agree with everything that you're saying, but more so on the origin movies. This is a character that we've been watching since 2010. So we should necessarily, so what you're saying is not wrong, right? You're like, you're absolutely, you're so right. and it was really well said.

But I'm saying with this particular movie, at this point, we're so invested into Thor that a Thor movie shouldn't necessarily have to paint a bigger picture of the MCU for us. Think about how, and if that's the case, then we're being unfair. Think about how ecstatic we would be right now if, I don't know, if they're going to make Iron Man,

if they were going to make another Captain America movie right now. They can literally make a Captain America movie right now about Cap doing low-level spy shit with Nick Fury in, like, Asia, or like whatever. And it would have nothing to do with it. And it could work because it should work because we're so investing into the character. I've actually forgotten a little bit about where we're supposed to be going. But I think what you're saying is so true because I think a lot of people are saying, okay, if you're not blown away by the movie, at least you could be blown away by what the movie means.

And I wonder if people are, are vacillating back and forth between that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's really what it is. Like, to your point, this movie works on its own, even Ragnarok to a certain extent, like works just as a Thor movie. Like, this is what these things do.

But now they're like, well, like, what is this to mean? Like we watch all the stuff. How does this affect da-da-da-da? And it's like, man, you know, like we knew. I'm just saying like we, long story short, we knew this was coming. Like, we knew the reckoning was on the way. And they called, and they called us names. They called us cowards.

Damn, Jome. Damn, Jome. Honestly, I love this energy. Get that shit off, Joan. They thought we were crazy. They thought we were crazy. They were like, what are you guys talking about? M.C.

He was going to, yeah, yeah, yeah. People are going to be fine. And now, like, you look at all the comments about this film. Like, yeah, man, I just wish I knew where the MCU was going at this point. It's like, we knew this would become a problem. We knew this would become a problem. And it is now manifesting itself. And they called us Madman.

Literally. Y'all radicalized Joe Me. I'm a radicalized for this moment. All right. My ranking is this before we go. We're going to do quick rankings. These are my rankings. Spider-Man, No Way, Home, number one, but not with a bullet.

Spider-Man, No Way at Home, number one. Thor, Love and Thunder, number two. Dr. Strange and Multiverse of Madness, number three. Internals, number four. Shonkshi, number five. Damn, you put Black Widow last? Black Widow number 17. All right.

That is a real. 17? Okay, give me you guys your rankings. I think I'm here your ranking exactly yeah, it's the exact same. I think I,

yeah, it's the exact same. Unfortunately, Black Widows last for me. Yeah, Black Widow for show last. Black Widow last, then Eternals,

then Shonkchi. You're going from the bottom up, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Multiverse of Madness, Thor Love and Thunder and Spider-Man, No Wayho. Right, right.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, guys. Okay, those are the rankings right now. Wakanda forever. We'll see where you go. We'll see where you're going to go. Wait, wait, wait, man, because Van, you, you accuse us, I don't know if you said this on air,

but you've always accused us of lying about what, about Black Mathing. Then we had to lie about that film, right, as a people. So you're saying we can't put a floor on it, top three. We can't just put a floor on it top three. That no matter what it has to be top three. You're saying we can't put Wakanda forever?

we're like, all right, no matter what happens, guys, we got to put a new at three. It'll be very difficult for me to be honest, be honest about my assessment of Wakanda forever. I'll be real with you guys. Unless the culture agrees. Oh, you ain't going to go against the culture? I can't go against the culture.

See, it was tough back then. We built it. It was February 2018. Like, we was on a high. You understand what I'm saying? Like, it was levels. Steve, you don't nothing about this. He wasn't outside.

for this. You understand? Like, it was, I showed it to the thing in a whole fit, man. You know what I'm saying? It was levels. I didn't even go. I cried in the theater, so I can't even act like I was too cool. I cried at the end too. And you know, and that's, and that's the crazy thing. The crazy thing is I wasn't, I wasn't as big a fan of the movie as everybody else. But I cried at the end too because fuck, bro, like he's there. The kids are there. All of the, like, all of the stars comes on. And I'm like, yo, I'm about to cry right now. Like, I was like, wait, that was the scene. No, I cried when my man, killmong died. I'm like, nah, kill him longer.

I didn't cry. He was too. That was cool. That was fine. Yeah, he fucked over too many black kids. I can keep that pushing. I cried when he was in the ancestral plane. He was the end of his pops. And I was like, yo, tough. Yeah, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tough. Tough.

All right. Guys, we gave you two hours. 153 on it, man. That is a wrap. Monday, the House of R will be giving you their deep diving to throw a love and thunder. I'm calling it three, three and a half, maybe. Wednesday, the midnight bull are back, give you our reactions to the season finale of Miss Marvel.

We also got our reactions to the season finale of the boys coming up. All right. So we got a lot of stuff that's popping here on the feed. We are in the middle of it. This is called, this is Midnight Boys Love and Thunder right now. We're like, we're giving you guys everything we can give. We're giving you the love. We're giving you the thunder.

We give you the love. Charles gives you the thunder. Oh, whoa, whoa. Slow down there, Cowboy. Producer credits. Our producer is Steve, Aldojo, the colorly summer lover bear. Jomi, the explainer,

Adelon, is on social. Hashtack, ain't no fun if the Jomey can't have none. On social media. Absolutely disgusting. Disgusting. With additional production by Arjuna, Ram Gapal. Charles, takes out.

Thor, loving thunder, is a seven, thank y'all for coming into the midnight abode. Next time you get an ice cream. Ask for that Camora Rocky Rock you. Okay, it's time to get to the

crux of it. The knit grit. Have you ever said the term, it's time to get to the nitty gritty, Steve. Have you ever said nitty gritty? No, no. Of the terms that sound like a thing that white people would say. I haven't really, I haven't really said. What's the widest term? Have you ever said G. Willickers, Steve?

No, I've said it in, I haven't said it honestly, but like I've said that in jest. I've said, whoa there, buddy. You said, whoa there, buddy. Whoa there, buddy. Have you ever said the widest thing to say, which is I'm calling the manager? I bet you have. I'm just so glad you said manager. No, I haven't said that. I could see you. I could see you at Starbucks right now. The manager of a Starbucks. What? No, I'm I'm really not that guy that, like, I don't send food back. I really don't.

Like, I'm one of those guys like, I just don't want to be a bother. No. Unless it's literally like, if it's literally like a salad and I ordered a pizza, then yeah. Here's his thing with Van. Van has a standing reservation at Nobu on Tuesday nights.

Right. So he's got to go. He's got a guy. So when his guy's not there, he's got to be like, hey. You know, usually my guy, Josh, he five star, you know, Michigan chef.

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