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Episode Date: June 26, 2022

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It's, uh, Victor. Who's Victor? Who I've always been. Hello! And welcome into the Ringerverse. The Ringer's Nexus podcast feed for all things, fandom. Welcome, welcome back to the Mint Edition. I'm your host, Stephen Alman, and senior producer at The Ringer.

Joining me today, as always, bring your social content. Explain our of the Midnight, Boys. You can stand under his umbrella. It's Joe Me a Dinner on. Oh, my God. There's a lot of singing. We're doing a lot of singing here.

There were too many puns for the Umbrella Academy that I could think of, but I just wanted to sing a Rihanna song. Dude, we're in person. It's weird. I'm standing right in front of you. I'm looking at you in the face. We're broadcasting from a telephone booth in the Spotify studios. Kerm is inches from both of our faces.

She's looking good, too. He's great. Looking good. The haircut, where, I see it. It's fantastic. It's good. It's incredible to be in the studio with you, buddy. How are you feeling?

It's so awesome. Dude, I've got a, I've got a Pellegrino. Pellie's on deck and we're ready to pod. We're ready to pod about something that we've been kind of excited for a little bit. Doug, I was really excited when we were like, let's do Umbrella Academy. I was like, I'm here. Let's get it. You are here, but now we're actually ready.

But once again, we want to thank everybody who has been listening to us for these first two episodes. We really enjoy the good feedback that we've been getting on the light year episode, and we can't wait to give you guys more. Before we get into everything, some programming reminders tomorrow, that's Monday. We'll have another House of Midnight covering the Boys. We'll finally figure out what's been going on with Hero Gasm. I hear that's supposed to be a really big something. It's the red wedding of the boys, what I've been told. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. The case is still out. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys will return and Thursday, Joanna and Mel will be talking about the fourth episode of Miss Marvel.

Watch that show. It's delightful. I don't know why more people aren't watching it. But on today's show, the Academy is back open, and we fight the apocalypse once more, along with some family drama, as we take a look at the Umbrella Academy Season 3. But first, keep in mind our friendly neighborhood ringer-verse, spoiler warning for all the seasons of the Umbrella Academy,

even a little bit of the comics, including season three. we're talking about all of season three of the umbrella academy. All 10 episodes, so be sure to have caught every single one and then come back to us. Jome, are you ready to go? I'm as ready as Luther was to go see Sloan the first time after they met. That's pretty ready. That's pretty freaking ready. He's had some time to prepare.

But before we look to the present, we must look back at seasons one and two of the umbrella academy, Show me, what did you like? What did you not like? What were your thoughts on these first two seasons of Umbrella Academy before we get into season three? I really, really enjoyed the first season, second season less so, even though I did like it. What really captured me in season one was that dance sequence

in the first few episodes. So good. They're all in the house and they're all dancing to the same song, but differently, you know, I was like, oh, the show's different. Like, there's no other show would, like, even attempt to do this. Like, I'm tapped in. Let's see.

And while season two, like I said, like, didn't hit the same for me, I still, like, really rock because I really enjoy seeing these characters, figure out their problems and, you know, showcase their presidenalities, you know? So when season three was announced, I was like, let's get it, bro. I'm here. I was familiar with the Umbrella Academy when Gerard Way came out of a one-my chemical romance. See, I didn't know that. Quick takes on My Chemical Romance.

Quick aside, we dig my chemical romance here on this pod, correct? So, see, we dig, see, Steve, you know. The word seminal better be coming out of your mouth right now. Here's what I'm going to say. We clearly grew up differently, you know what I'm saying? Right. Okay, right. You know, my black parade, you know, wasn't on, you know, he wasn't hitting on, and you know what I'm saying on 106.

You know what I'm saying? It's welcome to the black parade. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Different. Jomey's biased. It's very different. It's not biased. It's very different.

It's not biased. I'm just saying like I wasn't, you know, I wasn't outside from my camera problems like that. Okay, okay. That being said, though, yes. Bangers. All right. When I was a young boy,

Gerard Way came out with a comic book called an umbrella academy. And the premise of it basically was, you know, imagine if the X-Men were one family and Professor Charles Xavier was kind of a bad guy with a bit of daddy issues. And lo and behold, we got the umbrella. I binged seasons one and two in anticipation for this. And I think the best way that I could kind of sum up my thoughts on the Abrella Academy is that this show does the absolute most.

I think this is the like textbook definition of too much dip on the chip. And I think for better or worse, it's kind of always been a whirlwind. I've never really regretted watching it. But man, does this show do a lot? I think there are high highs and a little bit of lower lows that come out of both seasons one and two. And I got to say, when it's at its best, it's a great character drama with a little bit of fantasy and superhero elements thrown in.

But let's take a look at season three. Jomey, I want to get your first knee-jerk reactions to this entire third season. of Umbrella Academy. Did you like it? I did like it. I thought it was an improvement on season two. You know, they start off and they say, you guys didn't like how everybody was separated in the last season.

For sure, we got you. We're going to stick everybody in a hotel and make them talk for three episodes right off the bat. Just straight from the jump. I was like, all right, for show, I'm in. But over the course of the season, like I said, seeing the characters interact with each other, seeing them like go back and forth.

You know, we have Klaus and Five. spend time together, and then it's, you know, Luther and Sloan, and it's Victor and Allison, like, you know, throwing them all around each other was just a lot of fun this season. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy it the same way I did in the sense that, like, seeing everybody interact more over this season is definitely an improvement. And it was really good. It was really enjoyable. I think season three, in sharp contrast to season two, knew exactly what its problems were.

in the previous season. My biggest problem with season two was that the gang was separated for too long. All of our favorite characters were separated for about a good 75% of the entire season because they went off and did their own thing based on them getting trapped in a different timeline in different times. And it took them too long to come together and give us that interaction that we actually love to see. And that's where the show hits its stride. Season three immediately corrects that by giving us a good three-out. episodes where everybody's in the same place.

Before we even get a main world-shattering stakes to kind of set the whole plot in motion for this entire third season, we are established with a lot of good personal back and forth between

Victor, between Klaus, between pretty much everybody that we've grown to love over these past three seasons. And the biggest improvement that I can say is that the show hits its best strides when it establishes better emotional stakes for everybody involved. We'll get into a little bit maybe how there can be a mixed bag with some characters,

but I think the best parts of this really hit home. When this show is performing at its best, what characters are on screen, what's happening? Well, I mean, listen, I'm going to just be keeping a buck with everybody. I am firmly in the Diego hive. Diego's fantastic. That's my guy. That's my guy. you know and so whenever he's on screen whenever he's performing like I say everybody everybody's at a 10 right and so like when he's got it cooking he's got it cooking uh Klaus as well of course like everybody loves Klaus like he's probably like the most popular character I want to talk about Klaus because like I think that there's never been a like we could talk about shows that have like had hits and misses but there's always usually one character and one person that justifies the show's existence I'm pretty sure that that's Klaus for you it's Klaus for you it's Klau.

Klaus is, I mean, for everybody, man. Robert Sheenan is so good. Zero notes. So good in this role. Just like from top to bottom, beginning to end. Like, there's nothing that he does on screen that I'm like, I didn't like that. I'm like, I love it every, I love it every time. I was talking to the great Joanna Robinson a little while back.

And I was like, he can be in a scene with anybody. Anybody. Anybody that is in this cast. And he elevates whoever he's next to. And I think that that Like the best parts of this show Involve Klaus And the second only to that is five

Five's great It put I was telling you this a little bit before It puts my Like thoughts about this actor in question Because he's almost too good At playing a crotchety old man He's got to be a terrible human being in real life Like you must be

Because it's so easy For me to just be like You're an old man in a 12 year old's body Every time And he's got the old man Underbite And like, it's just, I want to, I want to fix his face with my fist sometimes. He's just so annoying.

No, it's great, man. I think one of, like, the big overall critiques about the show is that, like, you have these group of kids or, you know, seven of them, and they really don't team up, use their powers, like, together to fight an evil, right? They did it at the end of season one. And the beginning of season two, we're showing, like, an alternate path where they all team up and destroy the earth and whatnot. And we're sitting there like, okay, that was cool.

when do we get that? And while we don't exactly get it this season, we do see them, like, team up and use their powers and to fight some bad guys together. And it's like, hey, man, like, exactly. Like, this is kind of what we're talking about, you know? So, like, yeah, when it shows at its best, it's them together, like, kicking butt, brad.

It's awesome. After seeing three seasons of this, I can easily kind of see the, like, writing roadmap in my head where it's often structured like a video game each season. You have this like introductory tutorial level where everybody's together and you establish this one big threat.

And then you basically break everybody off into groups of two or three and go off on these little side missions to figure out their own problems. And then at the end they have this like boss battle and then a bonus mission come the end where the actual problem is revealed to itself. And it happens every single time. Every time.

And I feel like lesser shows wouldn't know what to do with stakes like that after every season because every season there's a thing that's going to end the world every time and they've been at this for three seasons so far and I feel like every time we would be bored by these stakes by now but after this season especially I think it really hits its stride where the emotional weight that is that everybody's carrying throughout this season elevates those stakes in very real ways where often a lot of beats with reginald hard griefs can be like repeat

for like a lot of, to my watching annoyance, but like it keeps reinforcing the fact that like sometimes we don't see these characters for quite a while. And at times it can be a lot, but other times I genuinely enjoy it. I get that. Part of my, you're talking about how, you know, the story beats, you know, they marry each other.

Like George Lucas said, it's like poetry. It rhymes. You know, if it rhymes, it's poetry. I don't know if you know about this. one of the great orators of our time, George Lucas, once said. It's like poetry. It rhymes. No, one of the favorite things that they do in every season is like, like you said, they split up.

But then there was like a, every like two or three episodes is like, all right, family meeting. Where's Klaus? He's dead now. Where's five? He's out. Like, he's like a family meeting. He's out of the brief case doing some old stuff. There's a family meeting, but like one or two people are missing.

It's just one of those things that, like, it's really charming for the show. We'll talk about a lot of the stuff that we enjoyed in terms of like the moments later, but that's one of the things that happen every season that I'm just like, man. Like, what's the part of a family meeting if the whole family's not there? Exactly. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce, and some very tasty limited time flavors.

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who made a similar announcement to his family in episode two. I'm often taken aback in moments like these where it's a pivotal moment for trans characters to be portrayed in popular culture like this. And I found myself very moved and very touched by how deftly it was handled. And it felt like a big deal because it wasn't that big of a deal. Does that make sense? No, I understand what you're saying. Like, for me,

I thought it was, like you said, like really poignant and really incredible how deftly it was handled. It wasn't like the show just said, like, this is what's going on. you know, I'm Victor and I think the coolest part to me was how everybody and family was like, oh, cool. Right. Everybody was just like,

okay, for sure. And they kept it pushing. It wasn't a big deal. We didn't spend like three episodes on it. You know, the last person know was Luther. Right. And Luther was like, oh, okay, this happened. Cool. Right. And that's like, that's four episodes in and that's brushed aside. I was, I was so

I was so happy by it because I've been a fan of Elliot's for so long and to have this introduction it felt both personal and beautiful to see and it was really something great one of the cool things that they did

in the comics they also made this they made the same the same uh they changed the same they did the same thing so you know it's now Victor in the comic And I thought like that was really that was really awesome because they didn't have to do that right Like that's something that you know they could have just left alone but they decided to let you know You know real life reflect the the books and I thought like that's awesome like that's really awesome

So this whole thing has just been like you know really well done really well handled and really well done I really I really liked it and for a show that deals in Timeline mumbo jumbo magic superpowers to know that that moment can be just as very real and as human as anything that we've ever seen, that's what makes stuff like this important. And it was probably going to be a cornerstone in the highlights of what makes this show great. And with that, I think the second best thing that I could recall from this season really is the journey that Klaus goes on with Reginald Hargreaves. to have this different Reginald from a different timeline

who had a good relationship with Sparrow Academy and again, revealed in the last two episodes for his own nefarious gains, but he does a bit of a better job with his kids this time around. I found it very touching when he was like encouraging him to tap into his powers and to become the thing that I was afraid you be.

That was a really kind of, beautiful moment for Klaus because he's always been like kind of struggling for these past few seasons to like really come into his own and I've like it just it speaks to how much we love Klaus. Yeah you're absolutely right. It was ultimately tough like you said at the end because

you know the dad was being shady like he always is but for those episodes where they're in the street and he's getting run over and they're you know being like he's encouraging him he's like actually being a good father.

Granted, he's killing him like hundreds of times. Hundreds of times. Just murdering his son. Right. But it's love. Pushing him into open traffic. Which, by the way, how busy is that desert road? I mean, you know what I'm saying?

People got to come and go from somewhere. A lot of buses going across town. Well, how do you think you die fast? You don't die fast. You know, you hit by a sedan. You probably break a couple bones or something. You might puncture a lung. Right.

A bus will take you out real quick. For sure. Yeah. For sure. But nobody's stopping. Nobody's stopping to see if this person getting run over is okay. That's a little concerned. That's a little concerned. is, yeah, that's kind of concerning.

You'd think that, like, I'd imagine Reginald's just like, he'll be fine, just move along. Yeah, especially in, this is like present day time. So, like, no, automatic break-in. Like, what was going on? No, no, no, no. That's, it's tough. Those Teslas are going to be just plowing right through him. Do you think he comes up on those Tesla auto-detects or does he just register as a dead person?

Oh, he definitely, yeah, he's definitely, that's what it is, right? So he's got cold, he's got a cold body because he, you know, can feel the dead. so that's going to see him. He just got. It's tough. It's tough. But seasons hit good stride. Who were some of your other favorite characters that we saw this season?

I love me some Lila. She was a delight in season two. I thought she added a great lift, you know, and a good, like, fun vibe to the show. And so to see more of her and to get like her backstory, I thought was really fun. And so having her like with the crew and, become part of the family

was really fun and really awesome. So I'm glad that she got more shy in this season. I just got to say the Sparrow Academy or just a bunch of goofballs. Dog. Like more so than, like, I thought that they couldn't make it weirder. But, like, the Sparrow Academy, like, I don't, I'm not going to say that they suck,

but like, it's just a weird power set. Oh, definitely some gibronies. Let's be honest, bro. Definitely some gibronies. We're going to get, like, I think we'll talk about some of our favorite Sparrow Academy members later. But, like, I, can we get the Crow girl? Like, she just looks like she's out of the Matrix.

dog listen i don't know what was going on with fain what used you have outside from surveillance i'm going to tell you what she justified her existence when she got insulted and was called a flock of sheagles got them got them burn okay classic well we've got quite a few good things we got one dude we got to talk about alison bro

big bummer we got to talk about alison bro from this season again friendly neighborhood for the warning. We've got a lot to talk about with it's in the document as the Allison problem. Dog.

And Allison is a problem this entire season. Jesus Christ. For seemingly no good reason. I think before we get to like the major like

bad things that she does, I just want to get your thoughts about like this whole arc that she has. We've rarely thrown around the term character assassination. But like, it's close.

I think it is It's close I genuinely think it is This is like some Barbie Ferreira On Oh my God What's the show? Euphoria

On Euphoria Vibe You forgot Euphoria The biggest show In the world Well Euphoria Definitely forgot about Barbie Ferreira And it seems like

Umbrella Academy Forgot that Allison is a hero In this show Or is supposed to be Because She's gone She goes like

Almost full-blown villain Here Dude For no good reason Well here's the No good reason I think the show, right, because she's been through a lot. She lost her daughter at the end of season one, right?

She goes back in time. Like, I don't have my daughter, right? In season two, she finds a husband. She's moved on and she loses him at the end of season two. Right. So she has been through some things, some things for a lot of people would crush them and would, you know, make them fill a type of way, right? Here's the thing, right?

You've all that said and you're, you know, do want to feel bad, you do want to hurt for that character. None of that justifies what she gets away with. And again, like, it's the fact that she falls so far in our eyes. And at every turn, she has a support system. She has Victor. She has her family. She has everybody else in the world to rely on.

And so many people to relate to. Because all of these things have happened. She's acting like she's the only one who's lost somebody. she's acting like this is the first time this she's ever been lied to this is the first that there's no possible way to get any of these things back yeah and instead of that she decides to she decides to betray the trust of all of her family members basically leave victor by the wayside

and literally use her powers to sexually assault luther and there's there's no other way good way to put it so in episode five she is basically like both jealous of Luther and his new relationship and like upset at the fact that Luther is more or less rejecting her

and she I heard a rumor's him to not only stay but to convince him or to you know coerce him into kissing her dog that was so uncomfortable

I was genuinely shocked when she made him stay and I was like there's no way they're going to this. There's no way they're going to do this and then they do. And like I want to like clear the table and say that this is flat out assault. No questions asked. And it was fucked up to see. And what was more fucked up is that it was more or less unremarked upon for three episodes. Okay. But when it was remarked upon, she was like, hey, Luther, my bad. And it was like, cool. And it kept it pushing. I was like, I was like, like,

Like, yo, you should be doing jail time. It's not even that. So, like, stuff like that's difficult to see. And, you know. Yeah. It sucks. It sucks. Shows like that or shows like this that choose to show assault like this,

my motto is, is like, you better know what you're saying after that happens. You better know exactly what needs to happen to both the characters involved and what the message that you're trying to say is here. unchecked, that message is those powerful people can get away with that stuff. And seemingly no consequence comes of it. No consequence. And it should become of it.

And at the end, she's like with her husband and with their kid and like living her best life. And listen, the fact that those things for any characters, like those are the wants that she has, those are the things that she, that is her goal post for the end of the season. And if she works towards that with her family and all those things, that's great. She has a fall from grace, regardless of how you want to portray that. If she makes up for the fact of all of those things and kind of comes to terms of, like, no, I don't need to be like this in order to get what I want.

It's just so, so bad. It feels like the show hates her. Because, again, her portrayal, like, again, like this isn't a, this isn't a we're mad at the actor's situation. No, no, no, no, no. Fine portrayal. It's just the fact that, like, it feels like the show. hates this character now. I honestly have no

answers to like why she would act out and that particular moment, that specific moment to why she would do that and then just keep it pushing. It just doesn't make sense. We can hope that when we come back for potential season

four that, you know, hey, we get answers to the questions like, hey, are you going to get some in any comeuppance for that? Are you like that? Or is she going to like, you know, figure some things out? You can hope, but leaving it like that at the end of season three, it was just like, I had many, many questions. And then I think my final straw with that arc was when Allison was back and like chastising

Victor in front of everyone to basically do what she says and that she's right. And she does, she, I heard a rumor's him and everybody's acting like it's Victor's fault. and Five goes to her acting like he's the one that needs to apologize. I'm like, you saw this. It becomes one of the most cold that I've seen Five become,

which makes sense for his character. It's a great scene. It's a great scene. Because it becomes with one of my favorite bars that he says in that season, which I'll get to it later. But it feels so wrong for the way that it treats Victor

in light of how the show absolve, Alice in of almost all of these sins. And you know we didn't even talk about? Oh, boy. How she killed Harlan. What do you talk about? How she just did it? For no good reason.

Oh, man. Like, yes, he killed your guys' mothers, but it's well established that it's an accident. And if you really, and like, it just made her so malicious for no good reason. It never sat right with me. It made me mad every time she got away with stuff like this. It was infuriate. Yeah, you're absolutely right in the way.

that five goes to Victor and they have that conversation like, hey, don't act alone. And I'm like, dog, but Allison just went and you know what? Right. For sure. Okay. This is all right, for sure. Allison's just going to get away everything. She just goes. She'll keep it pushing. Like, fine.

All right. Like, yeah, I just had a lot of questions. Easily the biggest bummer of this season and easily something that is going to bring this season as a whole down for me as to whether or not I would want to recommend it or as, you know, as we going along watching it again, it's going to be tough to revisit.

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bring to light here. We have a handful of awards that we want to give out for this season of the Umbrella Academy and we wanted to have some fun with it. So we're going to go top to bottom. What was your favorite needle drop

this season, Jomey? This show famous for having a colossal music budget. That's where, you know, that's where all the, that's where all the money goes. That's why you're like, man, why don't, you know what I'm saying? Where's all the, what's the cast? Where are they getting

everybody getting paid? Everybody getting paid pennies because we got to get this, these songs out here. The songs and the CGI budget. This show might be looking a little bit better than a main named Star Wars show on a different network. But I tell you, man, it's, uh, you're not going to say it. You're not going to speak? I mean, I just did. You didn't say it, though. You got to, come on.

Don't where you running from. Don't duck the smoker. I won't say its name, but it rhymes with Shmoby-1 Shminomi. Oh, geez. Oh, boy, come on now. Where are you running from? Kathleen Kennedy is a big fan.

I know. I don't want to put anybody on your phone on blast. Of course, yeah. She's going to hit me up. She'll be mad at you. She'll be mad at you. You're not going to say it. I said it.

Of course not. Of course not. Favorite needle drop of the season, Jomey. Mine is another one bites the dust when they think they beat the cougal place. That was fun. It's really fun.

too because everybody's dancing having a good time and you see Lila you know she's with five she's joshing a little bit and then she like tries to rub his head and it looks legitimately like he's like nah like yeah it's like why did you touch my like no you're not you're not going little brother me

bro nah he looks so annoyed and that's how he would be it is and the show was great it was awesome I love that I my favorite needle drop is ride with me by Nelly bumping in Reginald's car of all places on the drive to the highway with Klaus.

Listen, Reginald is a bad father, but he's a good DJ. I just want to know what his Spotify Road playlist is. Because that's an old car. You think he's got Bluetooth in that thing? He got Apple playing that thing, bro. Yeah, he got car playing out of game, bro. Yeah, he's doing well enough. He can get some customs shit there.

He's an actual alien from another planet. He can hit West Coast Customs and put some fancy shit in there. Exactly. Listen, one of the things I love about this show is that no matter what happens, no matter what the quality what you think of the quality of the show between seasons the needle drops always hit They're very good

They always hit All right next award Best Fit from Klaus. Best Klaus fit What do you got? Listen, the green velvet at Luther's wedding man he was

It was smooth He was stunned on him That brings me to my first question They're broke at the beginning of this season And seemingly broke through this entire season The entire show, I don't have jobs. They pay for rooms with a watch. And that seemingly gets them like a two-week stay, which is nuts.

But it's the fact that they've got such a banging wardrobe in this timeline for no reason. I love it. I love every second of it. Claus is a stunner, man. You know what I'm saying? I know he got the closet space. You know, it's like, hey, what size are you, bro? Come up off that.

I think I look better than that anyway. Bye, bang. He could hit any thrift shop and come out with. 10 out of 10 stuff. Exactly. You understand. He's got skills that pay the bills. All right.

My favorite fit is the scuba Sherlock Holmes get up where I think he was diving into a septic tank, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, he was trying to sing into the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, like, seemingly he snuck in twice that way to talk to Reginald again, which again, which again, fresh as a daisy, completely clean, barely hit the showers. Oh, I mean, come on. You know, it's an alternate timeline, right? So I'm sure the poops in there smell really nice. you know, you don't got to worry about getting it on your feet or in your hands or in your hair.

You know, with the amount of times that Klaus has died, you know what happens when you die, right? No, please, do you go to say like an afterlife? No, you poop your pants. Oh, oh, God. This is the age old fact. When you die, you poop your pants. Do you think that he's just, he's got to have a quick change, right? I'm sure.

Kendrick didn't rap about this on Rick and Mortis, no idea. For apparently, when apparently explosive death diarrhea doesn't, It doesn't make for good bars. Kendrick, come on. Who would have thought. He is clearly not our savior. All right. Best umbrella family duo.

I mean, I already know where I'm rocking with. It's Diego and Lila, man. Parents of the Year. Oh, yeah, you know what I'm saying? When they let ashtray, the fact that that's ashtray is incredible to me. I'm like, you're talking way too much, Ash. Exactly.

You have a voice? I was like, oh, I didn't know what he sound like. I don't know why he sounds like a jaunty young man. By the way, very, very good actor. I mean, we knew that from Euphoria,

but, you know, when he's actually allowed to talk, I was like, still rocking a little. I'm waiting for him to just be in a bathtub with a shotgun. Jesus Christ. He did shoot somebody.

He really did. I mean, with a harpoon. Which was, again, I'm like, come on, kid.

You got a better trigger discipline. Come on. No, absolutely not. My favorite duo is Klauson 5. I think when they drove out to find his mother and like they took a stop to by the side of the road and like he was just waxing lyrical about five

and then he's like okay now you say some nice things about me like that was just like I love those two together like he tried to pull over just because he saw a good diner that had a good cup of coffee like that's like I want a whole road trip with those two it's real life buddy cop energy

it's fantastic where five is a grizzled veteran and Klaus is the newly minted rookie and he's like I'm going to come, have a good time of the job. And Five's like, you don't want, you're all what you want. You don't want this life. It's perfect. You can't not have a solid hang when classes around.

It's impossible. It's impossible. All right. Unexpected bar from Five. What words of wisdom did he drop this season that stuck with you? Once is happenstance. Two is coincidence. And three times ain't going to happen because I'm not a gibbering idiot.

It's a good one. In the season finale to Victor. That was good. It's like, hey, all right, I see the vision. You're not going to get God a third time. I got a copse. I've got an honorable mention that I want to mention first because it's in the same scene that the first one is, but it's with Victor. And he's like, no more going rogue.

If you ever need anything, I'm always here for you. But a lie to us again, Victor, I'll kill you myself. That's, that's a crazy one. It's super hard. It's super hard. But my actual award This is the price of being powerful Sometimes we step on ants

Sooner you face that The safer will all be There's another one for this scene Where he's like Do you know what you call somebody Who acts alone A hero that operates alone And that's a villain

Doesn't listen to anybody else It's a villain I was like ooh Okay And it really And it's stuff like that that really illustrates the fact that like five's life has been like gone on for centuries and it's little bits of wisdom like that where you're just like oh man like you really

are just like an old cynical man that's seen the end of the world yeah for your whole life yeah man in that moment in that scene just just eviscerated victor it's incredible it's so so so it was it was tough it's tough but got them all right and on final award the Diego dad-of-year moment. What great piece of fatherly advice has he given? That just makes him the dad of the year. Say, you know, I'm going sentimental with this one. Right?

When he was, like, just the entire season of him trying to protect Lila, right? Because first he thinks that Stanley is his son. So, you know, he's like, hey, we're a family now. Let's me, you know, make sure we're all okay. Then turns out, oh, Stanley's not my son. He was just your friend son that you brought over here. That's weird. Right.

But then when she's like, hey, I'm pregnant, he turns into like super extra. All right. What is this? How did I? You got to make sure. Even me locking her in a closet while the world descending is a little bit, you know, OD.

Isn't that a little duplicitous though? That's a little too much. You took like a bit of a trial run being a dad. But he was like, you know what? Now that I just fathered a kid that wasn't mine, I think I'm ready. And he was like, That's really being the dad that stepped up And not the stepdad

Yeah, that's true That's a man who, you know, knows To do the right thing. No, but just him just trying to be like there for Lila In terms of, you know, okay, we're having a kid now I'm going to do my best. I'm going to fight Chitaineau to protect you And my unboard child.

I was like, I love that, bear. That's real dad of the year moment on the, you know, it was real, it was real nice. My father of the year award moment goes to helping your son hide a body that your son killed from your brother.

Hiding Claus's body my parents when I was like a teenager knowing that I was going to go into high school and there were likely going to be parties kids were drinking. They had an agreement with me that are like you call us anytime and if you're either drunk or whatever

no questions asked you'll get picked up. That's for a lot of stuff. I got a similar story too. I would be like, hey, and dad, I want to go to a party. They'd be like, no. And that was that. They didn't have any like, okay, like, I'm in, like, relatively light trouble, but, like, I just need an out.

Like, you didn't have any agreements with your parents to be like, no, you are staying in the house. Bro, I was at the crib, bro. Like, when I say, like, you wasn't outside, bro, I was not, I was literally not outside. This is how you stay out to, like, 3 a.m. on a Thursday night at 24 years old, first of all, first and foremost.

See, you're just mad because you old. That's what it is. I'm mad because I'm old. What are you talking about? I'm saying? It hit 1030 and you like my bones. I have three glasses of wine and I am asleep for nine hours. I heard Steve drink milk before I go to sleep. Got to get them bones ready. No, no, I can't.

I'm going to take like three lactates before that ever happens. I do not do that. You know what I'm saying? Steve, Steve still eat a, you know, jello salad. I like a jello salad? Yeah. Steve still put, you know, broccoli and that green jello and that's what you eat, right? Because you're an old man.

Am I in a hospital? Jello salad? Jesus. eat dinner at 4.30. Oh, boy. With the side of pudding. All right. Well, I like it when Dad's Hide Bodies.

That's my award for that. And that is our Season 3 awards. Let's look ahead, Jomey. Season 4. This season ends with our gang, seemingly losing their powers, going their separate ways off to live their lives. Reggie is a titan of industry now,

given all of the buildings he seemingly owns. And that's where we're left off with. What do we think is going to happen in season four? Well, there's a lot. First and foremost, I've been very clear about this. I need to see this Allison pack. I need it. Right.

I just, that's something that we... She's in her own timeline, though. What are the consequences? What's going to happen? That's going to pull her back to her family? We got to figure it out. I need that pack for her because that's real life nuts. Are you going to be rocking with an Allison solo arc for a whole season?

because I'm going to tell you what, I'm not. Absolutely not. No. For one thing, we have to fix Luther. They caboose Luther this season. I don't know if you guys, some reference. Caboose is a character from the popular web series, Red versus Blue. And in the first couple seasons,

Spoilers for Red versus Blue. Spoilers for Red versus Blue. For the borderline two decades old web series. Very ancient. First premiered, I think, what, 2003? It's okay. I'm going to spoil all of Homestar Runner after this. Jesus Christ. But in the first couple of seasons, he's like kind of slow, but not like, you know, very dumb.

Like, he can still get stuff. But in the later seasons, like after like, I want to say like season three, four, his brain just no work. So, like, I like to call this like the Homer Simpson problem where if you watch like the first few seasons of the Simpsons, Homer gets dumber and dumber with each. season where like it gets to be like so like dangerous for his family that like they had to like reel it back. And with how dumb he is. Like there are some moments where Luther I was like, did they like give him a child's brain or something? Like it made me feel sad. It legitimately bummed me out sometimes where he's like not finding the right words to say.

And I was like, I know that they didn't do this before. But no, I would love to see Luther live his married life. Yeah. He's retired. He lost the muscle mass, but he got a wife. that's fine. Well, she's gone, so. Well, I mean, he'll find her. Hopefully. Great. And, you know, give Victor more to do, I think.

You know, that's a character that, like, we followed to the last first two seasons, like, heavily. Like, that was our North Star of, like, how we're doing. Rightfully so, you got a lot more to do this season, for sure. But, you know, marginally from season two. Yeah, marginally, right? So, you know what I'm saying? Like, we could do some more. But overall, in terms of, like, the entire thing, They've got no powers now, right? So how do they, like, actually live life?

You know, we saw beginning of season one, like, what they're doing. But now that they've saved the world three times, now you don't have powers anymore. How do you readjust a life, live in a normal life? I, again, I think that this is probably a golden opportunity for the show to really take its time. Like, we go to 11 almost every episode, emotionally with the stakes, everything. I really want, like, an episode with one character and what they're doing just as a baseline. Like, not to say that I want a bottle season, but the fact that, like, we can only get so much concentrated into one episode with so many characters. We've had, like, 12 main characters now.

And over the course of three seasons, I'm like, let's focus on, like, five or four. And, like, just give me that. Give me Klaus. Give me five. maybe sprinkle a little bit of Victor in there. You just want a spinoff. You just want a spin-off. I do.

I just like... Just say what you want you to say. You want your spin-off. This cast begs for a spinoff series. Like several, honestly. Like, I wish it would just be three different shows that occasionally would team up. This is what the defenders should have been.

Okay, well, now you've completely lost it. No. You've completely lost it. I'm not kidding. If we had a smaller concentration of cast members in like two, maybe three different umbrella Academy style shows, and then they came together for one team-up season? Doesn't that make much more sense?

No. No. Am I taking crazy pills? You're taking crazy pills, man. I don't see it. The magic of the show is that it goes to 11, right? You have all these characters intermingling, interacting, splitting up, coming together back and forth, da-da-da.

It might muddle the waters a little bit, but ultimately, like, that's what this show is. If this show didn't go to 11, it wouldn't be an umbrella academy. I think the magic of the show is a British chimp on a motorcycle. I think that's where it really hits its stride. Good for them. But agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. All right, Jomey, before we wrap up, would you recommend season three of Umbrella Academy?

Yeah, I would say if you've watched the first two seasons that you're in for a treat, there's definitely some stuff that I enjoyed a lot. And I was like, I see, I'm loving this. I see the vision. Let's go. And there are some stuff where I'm like, oh, man, I really wish. I didn't have eyes to witness this in this moment. This is tough.

But overall, I would say it's an improvement on season two. And so that's still good content. So go on, lock in, 10 hours of content, 10 hours of TV. Go get it. Yes, Netflix ain't broke. I think, again, every time that I see this show, and every time I watch a whole season, I don't regret seeing it. I think that this is occasionally a mess,

and it's all over the map. There are some very beautiful moments. There are some pretty good highs. There are some perilous lows that I did not enjoy at all. But I think overall that this show is a worthwhile treat at its best, and I would recommend it. Caviot in a couple of cases, but yes, a good recommendation from you. and with that,

I think that's a wrap on us. Jomey, it's been a pleasure standing under this umbrella. Ella. A. A. And that's a wrap for us. Now be sure to remember tomorrow, Monday,

we'll have another episode of the House of Midnight covering the Boys on Wednesday. Midnight Boys will return for a lot more fun. And on Thursday, Joanna will be joined by Mallory Rubin herself. talk about Miss Marvel. Producer credits were produced in studio sitting right inches from my face. Jonathan Kerma with a digital production from Arjuna Ramgopal.

Thank you again so much for listening to us. It might be a little bit before we see you guys again, but be sure to let us know what you'd like to hear from us on the next episode of Mint Edition. We're going to be listening to you, and maybe we'll have a surprise for you along the way. Jomey, do you have any parting words for us? Yes, thank you again to our wonderful producer

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