The Ringer-Verse - Was 'Andor' a Perfect 'Star Wars' Show? ‘Andor’ Season 2 Finale Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

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Impossible, Jurassic World, Superman, Fantastic Four. I'm going to go with the Mission Impossible, gas. Can you let the movie just come out, Joe? We know what we're not going to do. You've been glazing crazy on social. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we're not going to do. It's besmirch. We're not impossible. That's just not what we do.

I'm not persmurching. I'm not just saying. You are. You are. And we're not going to do that. This is not, I have boundaries. That's one we're not going to. I have boundaries. So what was that mean? What's the smirch meaning? Are we allowed to talk about the movie? You can talk about the movie. But let's not act. A little bit later,

there's a lot of gas on movies. It's a lot of gas on the movie, exactly, because we're all excited. The last one wasn't great. Yeah, all right. It was not great. Now we're lying. The last one?

The AI one? All face close-ups because we shot out. All-face close-ups because we shot. Because it was COVID. Hey, you know what I'm saying? You got to throw a little slight. By the way, I got to say something about Mission Pops before we move on because we want to move through this quickly

because we want to make sure we concentrate on that door. But I did see Ving Rames look like he was in a hospital in this bitch. I did. Yeah, he's got the same. If this nigga got diabetes or something like that. They're not going to give him diabetes in the movie. I'm saying they might.

He could be saying something like that. Because Tom Cruise ain't got no, he wasn't in the thing. I didn't see him in the infraps. I mean, jumping off the motherfucking thing. Not one of the photo that he posted in the show. That's crazy. That's so funny if Tom Cruise dies. He's so locked in right now.

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it's a different thing I'll tell you something right now that's right all right uh this week house of our brings you there deep dive on and door oh yeah this is going to be a big deal yeah I can't wait to see what the eight hours maybe It's got to be. Minimum. Thursday, Buttmash dives into the Lasibus.

That's been Lindbergh. It's because Lindbergh over there. I just feel like as a network, we really, we hit in Blasbizs hard. Everybody talking about Lasbusts. It's the next big thing. Some people might say that it's being overcovered.

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But today's show. We give you guys our instant reactions on the end of an era. Yeah, man. The final three-episode tranche of Andor. Star Wars show that has pushed the boundaries of not just our imaginations, but of Star Wars filmmaking. And I would say prestige filmmaking as well. Grand, big production that we are saying goodbye to.

We're going to spoil everything. All of it will be spoiled. So Steve runs a spoiler one. We're getting ready to talk about Cassianander. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, this is your midnight manifest for the last three episodes of Andrews, season two, episodes 10 to be 12, directed by Alonzo Pelliosios.

Sorry if I mispronounced that, written by Tom Bessel. It's a B.BY1. Lonnie calls a code red with Luton, where he tells the rebel Prya about plans for the death star. After receiving the information from his ISB mole, Luton kills him. Luton then tells Clay. to escape Correscent and bring news of this weapon to the alliance before it's too late, Lutthin goes back to his showroom to destroy any evidence, and before he's captured, decides to take his own life in front of Dedra.

Unsuccessful, Luton is taken to a hospital where he's put on life support. Klaia infiltrates the hospital to kill Luton herself before she could be questioned. And in a series of flashbacks, we see how a young Luton raised Clea to become a badass spy. With Lutthin dead, dead dead. Klaa turns to Gavin for help escaping. Dejra is placed under arrest after the empire finds out plans for the Death Star have been leaked to the rebels, Crenic demands they pull out a full APB to find Clea before she can escape from the planet. Partagas kills himself before going in front of an Imperial Tribunal.

And then with Cassie and Melshi and K2 arrive on Corrassant that successfully get Claya off planet, it takes a lot of arguing, but Cassian convinces enough of the Rebel Alliance that Lutton wouldn't sacrifice his life unless the Death Star plans were real. Then we get a very emotional montage. Cassian flies off to the events of Rogue One. Mon Motham is getting used to country living on Yavin with Bell. Mon's husband is depressed, drinking himself into a stupor next to a chorus on influencer. Clay and Mrs. Lutland is trying to be more chill person on Yavin. Dejra is now locked up in an imperial prison, and Bix has reunited with B2 Emo on the farm planet Mina Rao.

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Damn it. Man. God damn it. emotional. This was an emotional finale. My first question to you, even before we get to instant reactions, did Tony Gilroy and company land the plane? Man, they landed the plane, bro. They landed the X-wing.

They landed the X-wing. It's one among the best landings that I've seen. Because I think about landings and Star Wars iconic landings. Think about, you know, harm landing on the planet, but that's not a planet. that's a living thing you know it comes out there think about Luke's X-wing landing in the hangar

and the Mandalorian great iconic landings I feel like you're struggling to actually think of ladies I can't get think of that many you saw the Millennium Falcon in episode two

it was already landed but it's true but look this is what I'm saying so we've talked about the fact that andor is Star Wars, but it's a different type of Star Wars. Star Wars is about

hope in the face of Great Parra. It got there. It's a dirty street level this is street level Star Wars. It's dirty street level spy thriller.

But at the end, it ends with a child and a woman looking to the sky thinking about the future of their galaxy and their family, which is what Star Wars is about. Star Wars is about the ties that bind people, how those ties reflect

and the sacrifices that they're willing to make for something bigger than themselves, how they hold them back sometimes, how they propel them, sometimes how they corrupt them, if you're talking about Vader. And we, almost like Andy Dufram in, Shawshake Redemption. We crawl through the muck

of killing and sabotage and double dealing and all of that to get to a place of beauty and power. And that's what the show did at the end. And it was masterfully done. Like when Cassian is walking away,

I'm like, man, I'm really feeling this. I'm loving this. but he's walking towards his death. I know that he's confident, he's assured, and that we're going to win, but I'm like, fuck, man. And then I see what he's fighting for. I see what he's fighting for. I see my little scrapper, B2 emo,

who's finally got a pal that he doesn't have to miss. That almost made me emotional. It's good to see him again. And then I see Bix and Cassian's kid that's what you're fighting for. You're fighting for the freedom and the future of the galaxy. Well done.

I mean, I think a lot of times critics, rightfully so, we celebrate Tony Gilroy for being a very, just having intricate plots and all of these historical analogies and all of these other things that he's great at. But sometimes I think we underestimate how great he is at the emotional moments.

And to land this plane for Andor, I feel like they had to they had to sell us on this feeling that you're talking about of like Star Wars is about hope. It is about like we fight and we fight and we fight for this future. And what I loved about everything from the first episode of this trio to the last is my favorite trope in spy movies, war, war movies is those people who can't go into the future. Where it's like Luton's death, we see it through Clay's eyes is this is someone who knows

that he's not built for what comes in now. after the rebellion. And you see even in Clayah and that actress, her performance was amazing. Like, Electric is like she even realizes in real time. Oh, we built this thing.

And now it's, in its success, we are going to be forgotten. That's the whole thing. And it's like seeing her heartbreak of not only losing her father, but losing this leader that she knows in the moment, like, hey, I'm going to take a off life support and it's going to be me and Cassian and Bell and a few others who are toasting

all of these people who made this possible, but they're not going to go into the history books. And there's that tragedy of it, but then there's also that hope of seeing like Cassian walking down through Yavin, and he's the hero that we know from Rogue One. He has the swagger. And it's like, I don't feel sad that he's walking. I'm just like, oh, I got to see him. I got to see what the sacrifice means. And I was just like, that is so, So when, interesting what you're saying about Clayah, because Luton wasn't bigger than the program. No. He wasn't bigger than the program.

Nobody is. Nobody's bigger than a program. Great movie. Like, Luton's not bigger than a program. Luton is yet another potential liability that for the good of the galaxy, he has. to be exterminated. And her even knowing that and going through with it is both a testament to how much she cared about him

and how much he was able to make her care about things that were much larger than him. But he was raising her for that moment, which is the heartbreaking part, where it's just like we're seeing this episode unfold where on the surface from a plot level, it is about the spy trying to get into the hospital. or the bunker to kill someone who was about to be tortured and, like, reveal all this

information. But the layers of that, of seeing the childhood, of seeing Luton break, of what war did to this man, and then having to raise somebody in and mold them into this person, you're like, oh, Clayah, the way the actress is playing it, it's like, it's so masterful because she's sad that she's losing a father figure, but she's also sad with the reality of, like, I don't have a home anymore. Well, I mean, Gavin is, like,

she intrinsically is just like, Gavin is not for me. This is another, this is almost so far down the line in terms of just like what I'm used to in terms of how to fight. Well, I think she was banking

on her death. Yeah. She, I think, she's banking on the fact that that's the last act. So living on with the scars of everything, and the knowledge of the past

that almost might be harder. Like Cassian is giving her, Cassian is telling her why she has to carry on, and she's like, my story ends here. Yeah. Can, like, what? No, no, no. It's, that's beautiful.

I was about to jump in, but I wanted to, like, I kept feeling like there was this handoff that we were witnessing. We witnessed it at the end of Rogue One, and it's the culmination of everything that they do only to give it to somebody else, else to usher fate and everything that a rebellion stands for onto the next wave.

And Clea surrendering Luthin and surrendering herself to Yavin is that handoff. It is that emotional, like, gift that she gives to everybody else where it's like, everything that we've built is out of our hands because these two scrappy people that met in a battle that I don't even know what that was built this. thing that is now planet side that will try to, like, that like what he said, be the spark that'll light

the fire that burns the first order down. I think it will be all of those things. I think, and Charles mentioned this a little bit when he was talking, the thing that hurts the most when watching this is seeing all the life that

like sprouts from this, like all the like obviously the baby, but seeing Mon and Val just like chatting, seeing Clea, you know, spot a little smile. Yeah. Saying that, it's like, it might be okay being here, right? But knowing not only what happened to Luth in episode nine and how she,

they doesn't play it as like a rescue mission. It's like, at least for me, I was like, oh, she's going to go kill him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I was like, it's not even, go. Go. I thought she was going to blow up the whole floor. I'm like, every single time I was about to blow the floor up to the floor up to.

I was just like, yeah, she's going to go kill him. There's no pretending that. What happened to Lonnie, right, also. But seeing bail be like, actually, I don't believe in this, but you know what? I've come around. I'm going to let you go, knowing how it ends for a lot of these people, but yet seeing just little moments of it might be okay, that was tough. It was tough. But it was expertly done.

Just emotionally wrecking by the same time left you with the feeling of like, There's always tomorrow. I mean, if we even go back in terms of like even before Lutheran's death, what I was just like, when Lonnie and Luton meet and Lonnie's like code red, code red, first of all, I knew Luton was capping. Lonnie was bowed. That was a death now. I was like, I saw her from a mile.

I'm like, you're not leaving his bedroom. Lonnie had the game fucked up, man. Yeah. That was so nasty, though. Like, I know Luton is the cup, throat guy and all that. But Lonnie being your boy from. for how long he got burned. Hey, this is what it is.

Just get him and this girl this is. Nope. It's too much. That's not too much. It's too much. Tough. He went out like, Kifai Fife.

He was crying on it. I'm like, you ain't like. Give my wife and get out. You know, I don't, I don't know if Lutthin had to do that, but he absolutely did. He definitely didn't have to.

He could have got him to safety if he really wanted to, but ultimately that's not the cost. From the reading that I got is, A, he killed him for two reasons. B, Lonnie was like, we got two hours, essentially, before they find me. So already Luthan's like, I don't have enough time to get this information to Clea and to get her.

And to you to safety. And to get you to safety. And if they capture you, you're going to blow up the whole fucking thing. So in that moment, I think he's just like, not only am I dead and I'm going to die on this planet, I got to take my number one mole with me. Because I don't think he trusted that anybody else would be able to like, does anybody else besides Clay even know about Lonnie? Probably not.

So you know what I mean? He made the tough call because it was pretty easy for Lutheran. But he made the big boy call. It's like, all, first of all, question, is cold brew stronger than normal coffee? Yes. Yes. I told you this at the barista ball. Oh, God.

You're fucking vibrating. You just got a straight cold brew? Yeah, what is that? No sweetener, no nothing? Oh, my, nothing. Yeah, yeah. It's brewed cold. That's the whole point.

It's stronger. I told you. you this weekin right now um i i will say i saw you just i don't know where go and i was just like it's no you say it was stronger i word for word bar for bar in terms of taste no caffeine yeah you're activated like a cold you're tweaking right now dude is this your first time having cold brew yeah yeah that's a lot you should you should stop right now you should drink bowl water. Yeah.

You're going to be shipping yourself in like 10 minutes. Yeah, someone in the back and Dan some water. Oh, you got some, Joe? Yeah, take some water back out. Yeah, man. Literally, I was like, he went and got the cobra.

I was like, you know they're stronger than regular coffee, right? I thought you meant stronger and taste. No, man. But this is amazing because no places have, like, ice coffee anymore. Everything is cold. It's all cold brew.

Like, I'm always like, you just have ice coffee. They're like, no, we only have COBRA. I'm like, do you want me to go, like, fucking murder, like, a pack of coyotes? No, like, give me a fucking murder. I was not expecting the Luton versus the Luton back story to be so effective. Yes.

We'll talk about Dendron in a second, but Luton's backstory. I don't know where Luton was fighting. I'm not sure, but watching him be subjected to the horror of what looks like Empire Mercantaries or Empire Soldiers. executing civilians. That was going to be my question. With his age, where would this even put him in the conflict? This has got to be something like with his age

and what his perceived age and that flashback could be. Like that could be as far back as like, it could be like Order 66 level stuff. Yeah, is this like around end of Clone Wars time? It could be. Maybe. Because the empire is what around for 20 years? Yeah, but I mean, the people that they're killing,

I don't think were Jedi. And that's the beauty of the like ambiguity of it all because I mean ultimately it doesn't really matter because he's found in like a very shaken state. And like the filmmaking in this is like actually really got me because we see like the camera is like rather like shaky on him. And it's not exactly like in focus or in like a nice place. But then we see like we come back to that flashback again and it's the same angle. And I'm like, wait, where are we? Where is this camera? I'm like, oh, wait, no, this is P.O.V.

this is Clayah, she's a kid, she's hiding in the wrath. Oh, I knew it was a kid. And I'm like, oh, no, this is how they meet. And from there, I'm like, okay, now we're sold. Like, this is his daughter. They've known them for years. My favorite part of that whole flashback was that his name was Lear, and then he just went backwards and like, now I'm Luther Rail.

They didn't even think about it. It was just flipping. Oh, shit, I didn't realize. I mean, I also will say the two parts of the flashbacks at first I was like, oh, fuck this flashback. I need to get back to Cassian. But there was two moments that I thought were just masterful. When Luton is just like, she's like, you lie.

He's like, yeah, I do that. I used to do that. I was just like, all right, that's cold as fuck. And then the moment, it was so powerful when it's like he puts the detonator next to a young Clea and is like, do it. And she, he's like, no. Don't do it. And he's like, he presses it.

And then he's just like, no, look at me first. And now look over there. And I was like the way, because it took me a minute. I took a view, I was like, what were they trying to tell us there? And I was just like, oh, in that moment, he's trying to teach his daughter the resolve it takes to be a part of this mission. It's like, I don't just want you to look at the explosion. I want you to look at the person who's pressing this button and like don't get it twisted. Like, because the whole time I was interested where when she runs off to watch the firing squad, she almost looks at Luton like, you're coward.

Why aren't we fighting here? why aren't we staying? And it was just this interesting dynamic of like realizing almost how radicalized Luton already was back in. That's not how we fight. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a good moment.

But the one that stuck out for me was when they first get to that little shop and they negotiate, you know, to get 18 whatever credits or whatever it might be. And he's leaving. They're leaving. And she's like, so I'm your daughter now. And he's like when it's useful. And like that's his whole thing. And she's with it too.

And she's with it. But this whole thing is whatever people need to be around me for me to get to succeed the mission, that's what they're going to be. They can be disposable. They can be whatever. But at the end of the day, whatever you are to me in relation to me, I'm going to use that to my advantage. And then contrast that when they're at that table. And she asks him what he's worried about because we already know what she is worried about. The only thing he's worried about is what he's doing to her.

So, Deirdre ends up becoming another casualty, another pawn of the empire. the scene between her and Luther where she comes to get him amazing going back and forth crazy I was wondering if in some way Luther would make it out of that scene

but it's like with every word that they said I was like this is the end she put the suitcase on the table she put the Starlink up there I mean it was in before that though but when he brings his life I'm like I see what you're doing

but then she brings the Starlink and he just takes me back. It's like that was the original thing. That was the thing that he came to Ferrix to get originally where he met Casson and put access on the radar. Like that started this entire thing. Brother, some people hold a grudge. What can he do? I know. It's crazy. But that's the thing. That's the spark that ignited this entire thing. Honestly, for them to bring it back about what's like a nice little, nice little touch. I mean, I even, I even thought just everything that was, first of all, the Krennick and. Oh, my God. God.

Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? The fuck. Get ahead of yourself. Get ahead of yourself. Bro, bro, bro. Ben Melston show up to the show and play like 60 minutes, but he put up 30.

Every single time. It was so effortless. I was like, God, damn, the level of acting. And I also just story-wise, because this is what you hear about in real conflicts and real war, which is like the ISB essentially was around doing all of this fucked up shit. in the shadows basically laying the groundwork for all of this

and there needed to be a pawn. There needed to be a serial and a dedra and when part of gas even is just like, I already know what's about to have. Can I get a moment to compose myself? When he's a friend,

when they hear the blasts or both and he's like, I was like, this is the coldest show. Yeah, that's the broad show. I mean, I don't know, again, the show is so good at you know exactly what's going to happen in regards to, you know,

obviously like cats and things like that. But, like, literally, like, part of the guys, as soon he's like, I need a moment to pose myself. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's going to get the blicky. Yeah, it's done. But at the same time, I know what's coming, and I'm still like, oh, gutted. Dude, just like, so ready to roll in.

It's like, nah, that. Even credit, the last thing he's saying to part of gas, he's basically like, he's basically like, we both, but we got to see who. In that moment, part of gas is like, that exchange is crazy. It's me. That exchange is so good.

The whole time I was watching this, I was thinking throng was right. Oh, yes. They're going through a lot of trouble for the Death Star just for this motherfucker to get blown the fuck up in about two weeks. Ten years down the drain, if they'd have done Thron's fucking idea

of the advanced fighter system, they'd have beat the rebels easy. I mean, the other thing when they keep listing all it, because they keep doing it where they're just like, like, yo, it was all Donnie, it was this, it was the copacrisos, it was that. You realize how much work has gone into this. And to your point, I was like, would the rebels even have this much of a cause if y'all didn't fuck over so many planets and so many systems for one weapon?

Like when you list it out, I was just like, these are the dumbest motherfuckers. And doesn't that speak to the hubris of the empire to think that no, but it's like, it's the philosophy in the beginning that Cassian says is like the arrogance of them to think that I can't walk their floors and get inside. This is the thing about Palpatine. Great Sith, best Sith ever. Best Sith ever. Bad Emperor. And I'll tell you why. Not bad Emperor because Palpatine didn't know.

He tried. He tried at first. He tried at first to manage the illusion of freedom with also having his boot on people's necks. But he's too passionate. He wants too much. He's a pure dark side force being. He wants too much.

His lust for power is too great. So he can't think of anything other than wielding the greatest power in the universe. He's not a politician, even though he played one on TV. So he thinks of building the Death Star, a huge, powerful, indestructible thing that will convince everyone to fall before him. He's not really thinking it out at this point. not at all because to your point, if he is thinking it out, then he leaves the Senate in play,

that he plays things a little bit, he's a little bit more benevolent, but that's not what he's about. No. So he goes too far and too far and too far to where he inspires the rebellion to a degree. He inspires people like Cassie Nandoah

who didn't really have a dog in the fight. Like he radicalizes people like Luton, but really to be honest with you, that's what happens all the time. Yeah. What happens with these gigantic real world fucking dictators is they push and they push and they push to people just go, I can't kill me or not. I can't handle it anymore? Well, can I ask you also about this?

Because I don't know if maybe I was reading into it too much. Man, your fucking leg is. I'm good. Bull brew has got you. So maybe I was reading too much into the scene. But when Passion goes back to Yavin, a thing that did break my heart was I was like, yeah y'all some senators where even when they're

like arguing about the death star is it real or is it not I'm like oh this is how like the new republic is going to fall again because like all of y'all the things that you believe in is kind of this like this veneer of respectability

and this veneer of like this is how we do it we don't fight wars this way luthan like is like luthan was out of his mind and it was this like the empire is more arrogant, but there was an arrogance in that room where Cassian is just like, yo, it is, when I talked about like Gilroy being able to land the emotional beats, so well, this, I've seen it happen in my family.

When a patriarch dies like a Lutheran, you get that thing when everyone's alone was like, oh, he was an asshole, but he was right. Look at what he built. And already they're kind of like, we don't do that anymore. And I'm like, guys, guys, this is how you're going to lose again. And that's why the bell stuff hurt because he was the main one. Like, hey, man, we know about Luton. This all seems like a little hoax to keep himself involved,

to keep himself upright. And it's like, dog, you die in two weeks because of this kind of inability to function, to make something happen. Right? Ultimately, he comes back and allows Cassington to go on a mission. But at the same time, it's like knowing how this goes for you, buddy, hey, you can't afford to be daily dally dalling like this. And that's the beauty of this show.

Because the finale, the final episode of this show, the most exciting thing that happens is casting and yelling at a table of people that used to have power about the guy that actually is going to give it to them. Yeah. And what he died for. So the tension there is between what they feel like they have to do to maintain their order,

which the empire would say that we're trying to maintain order, but they just can't have people coming and going. Now, look, these things are, this makes sense, right? because they're under a tremendous amount of pressure to hide what they're doing. They're on a secret base. So they really can't have people coming and going. They really need to know who's leaving and who's coming back.

And it's a true thing. At the same time, when you're watching it and you're one of us, you're looking at them and you're like, who are you to talk to me? Yeah. Which is why I would never be good at being, this is why I have a problem with authority in general. I do.

But like, who are you to talk? Who are you talking to? And I hate that it had to be a sister that was in there doing that, too. That's not how we're on. You know what I mean? That's tough. They had to put one, they had the sister that she's talking, everybody's talking, I'd have been like, Bill, shut the fuck up.

And when Bill says, like, they sent me to get, what he says, when Cassian says, they sent me to get Mom Martha and Bill says, duly noted. I'd be like, no, there's no duly noted. I'd be like, no. I was like, no, there's no duly noted, Bill, she's dead. You want to, she's dead. And you, and you said that you trusted these people. So get off my dick, I'm the captain.

I mean, he's like, you know what I'm saying? Cassie is like, can I go to the infirmary? I would have been like, hey, kiss my ass, I'm going to you. I'm going to the infirmary. Like everything, what did, what did, y'all see seven? Yeah, yeah. Remember in seven when John Doe told Kevin Spacey, he's like, you know, your life or whatever life I've allowed you to live because I could have killed you. That's why I will be essentially saying to Ma Mothma.

I'll be like, I'd be like, hey, look, you're dead. You're dead on the planet if not for me. I killed. I was the whole nine, Belle, you got her killed. You killed Ma'amah, Bell. I run the whole empire or the whole rebellion. It's me. I mean, even Ma'Movina, it's so funny.

Ma'amotha tries to get her little Lutheran. She goes to Val, and she's like, hey, yo, Val, can you check on your boy? da-da-da-da. Belle walks into Cassie. She's like, yeah. I don't want me to despise. She didn't even like, I didn't realize. She's like she not really built

Because at the end When they're doing the montage Vell is like trying to eat She's like This is oked She's like One been in there for like a year bro I'm sure she don't

She's like that He made a choice When Neo got to the main When Neo got to the real world Eating those oats The tasty oats There's no there's no steak out there bro There's no one that

The fine liquor When Neo woke up I would have been like Taking me back you up That shit was terrible. That's why, look, Joey Pance was the ops, but he was making sense, bro. Yeah, ignorance is bliss. This right here is better than eating the goo, man.

Y'all eating the steak, y'all eating, y'all taking, y'all going down with the fake steak? Yeah. That maybe. Hell yeah, I'm eating the steak. Are you standing in the matrix? I'll be the first right. Probably, yeah. This is juicy.

Because it kind of, because, I mean, look, bro, it was bad, dog. Out of the stuff. It was bad. I'm not really. Got to vomit up that too. But if you kneel, you got true. you got Trinity though. If you did,

but I'm not, am I going to be near though? What's the, the steak dude? What's the homegrown next to? Woman in the red dress? Yeah. Okay,

there you go. Fire. I'm staying in the Matrix, bro. We plug me back in. We're talking about just the MVP of these three episodes. One of the raw scenes I've ever seen in this.

I think it's Claire. The player is the MVP. But in terms of just like action, when K2 picks up the high. Oh, my God. You're about a shield, Bruce him as a shield.

I'm like, crush his neck, by the way. He's like, y'all think I'm pussy. Bro, K2S. K2S. First of all,

he is, to me, the most swagiest charismatic joy that I've seen. He's the best. Chopper's got some swag, too. Sure.

But he's a murderer. You haven't played Star Wars Outer else. BD5. Oh, BD5 is a girl. But K2SO is sleeping. Like, he's getting his rest.

He wakes up. He can't get him. And he's like, I guess I guess I gotta go fuck some motherfuckers up. I guess I gotta go fuck some motherfuckers up. Boom, boom, boom. But he, I love it because he don't even do the thing where it's like he gets really

aggressive. He's just super like, boom. Like, he's just killed. I kind of want to know, though, why wasn't the emperor using, like, why wasn't the empire using more KX units like that? Because if they just, can you imagine if instead of the, like, droids from the Clone Wars, like the Jedi had to go against those motherfuckers? They're probably expensive.

If you're going to have that video. It would be expensive. And it also kind of, again, it kind of speaks to the hubris. It's like, well, if this amazing system and empire that's made by these great smart humans can't fix it, then what's the point? But even the show, I will say, too, I feel like this is one of the shows where it's like seeing the stormtroopers without their helmets on, just seeing that these are just the fucking plumbers. I was just like, oh, no, no wonder y'all was getting cooked. I was like, I don't believe any of them. Yeah.

Yeah. Seeing their fear. Yeah. Oh, my God. Like, seeing their fear, it makes it, it, you're in a war. These are not just faceless lemmings that are, these are soldiers that are fighting for a bad cause, but they're people. And so you see their fear. You're like, oh, my God, they're getting fucked over.

It's not BD5. It's ND5. That's the homie. Indie. ND5, yeah. I was always like, man, where's K2SO in these like last nine episodes or the previous nine episodes? Because obviously you want to hear Alan Tudik does a. great job.

If, if, if, if, K would have been around this whole time. Every problem solved.

Like this episode, the whole series would have been three episodes. Yeah. You just think, uh, Kato 2S. So,

go handle business, we'll follow behind you. It would have been easy, right? Him, just him walking down, going to the Imperial ship, boom, getting him out of there,

walking up, taking the elevator up like a breaker person at the blast the boat. Boom, boom. A guy was making life easy. I was like, that was incredible.

He was a menace dog. Um, so, Luthan's story is complete. Dejah's story is complete. All the stories that we've seen, which one ended up, Cassian's story moves on, but he completed in the real one.

Of all the stories, which one were you most surprised at the way that it ended? I was not surprised at the way Clayah ended. I was, I was surprised that she became such a central figure towards the end in landing that plane. Because even the conversation that Cassian has

with her when she's on Yavin and she's in the hospital bed, I was like, oh, this is Cassian in the moment realizing, like, yeah, it's a new day. Like, I don't, like, this is, this rebellion is something that I don't even know. Like, not in a bad way. He's like, oh, shit, like, sorry.

And part of me was like, I'd never say this after a show. I'm just like, I kind of want the Clayas show now. Like, now I want to see, like, what, what is her role in the rebel alliance? Does she stay on Yavin? Is she alive this entire time? She don't got no choice? I mean, yeah, but, like, how involved is she after?

She could. I guess she could. I mean, the real surprise was Bix having Cassie. I was just like, Cassie got a child out here? They actually, they actually sneakily hinted at that in the last three episodes that I did not catch. No, I knew it when. I didn't know that the baby was there, but I had a feeling when Vell was just like, hey, yo, you know, next might want to see you right now, wink, wink, because I hate when, like,

sometimes I have women friends who will do that where they're just like, yeah, you should definitely, like, give this person a call. I'm like, just tell me what's going on. Just tell me I got a kid. Like, don't wink, wink at me. No, but it's that thing where, like, she knows. I don't have any kids out there. What are you doing?

You got, that's how they told you got kids? Not that I know of, hopefully. But they, but you. I might be, it might be a drink situation where. You are hiding a child. You are hiding a child. I think that I was really interested in Claire's story. I was really interested in Mount Motham's story.

I think the person that got the most perfect ending was Luton. Yeah. Luton died exactly the way he wanted to, exactly the way he knew that he would. And he finally found something out that made it all worth it. Now, it was always worth it to him. Don't get me wrong. That was information we're dying for.

That was information worth dying for. We were doing all of this, and they didn't even know about the Death Star. Yeah. The Rebels found out about the Death Star. The Death Star sucks. The rebels found out about the Death Star, and in two weeks they blew that motherfucker. It was episode 10 of Andor to the end of A New Hope, it's like 14 or to like 17 days. It is like within like three weeks.

Yeah. It's cooked. The amazing, brilliant thing that Clayah just forgets because it's like immediately relayed from Luthin to her. It's like Kyber, uh, Jedda, Jedda, Aldani, all these things, Death Star. And then like she's just trying to remember it. And she says everything perfectly except the word Death Star. Yeah. It's the only thing she forgets to say that.

Because at the beginning of Rogue One, when he goes to Tivik and he's like to putting a weapon. Yeah. It's called the Death Star. Boom. That's like a moment. But it's brilliantly left out only because she's in the heat of the moment trying to remember every single thing that he said and then keeping that in her brain until she can build a radio in her apartment to relay all

of those things back and then say it again to and or in person. And the one thing that's left out is just that word, but they're looking for the weapon. They need to find that. That's the only thing that nudges them into Rogue One. To answer you're perfect. The humerus of the empire though, calling they made. This episode, I

It's like, damn, they really called their main weapon the Death Star. And they're clouded it a little bit. It's more like the Death Moon, really. But can you imagine where I'm just like, damn, y'all couldn't like have a better code word for this? Because once I hear Death Star, no wonder like the Rebel Lions was just like, they're no way. It's a cool name. It's a cool name. No, it's a cool name.

But also. Not for them to call it that. Well, it's the type of name that make you think you got to destroy it. Definitely. Yeah, no, we got to get rid of that. It's like, it's like, if it would have been like the, I don't know, the Power Star or something like that, you'd be like that. He'd be like, oh, okay, we probably need to... I mean, they weren't interesting.

But they were like, it was an energy program. We don't give a fuck about this. It's like, the death star. Now, we got to get rid of that shit. Yeah, we don't care how many got to die. Hey, I'd like to introduce to our new energy program. It's called the Death Star. Do you think that sounds good?

Project Star does, man. Yeah, we're like, you got to die. We'll answer your question. Okay. To the surprising, like, obviously it's Biggs. Look, if I had two nickels, every time a Star Wars show ended, and the main protagonist had a, had a baby at the end, I'd have two nickels.

It is a little, yeah. Same thing happening at the end of rebels. Yes. With Canaan and little, no? You don't remember? Yeah, you remember. You don't remember. You don't remember.

You don't remember. You don't remember. I've watched the end of rebels. Canaan and Harris kid. I, what, yeah, he's like a very pudgy, Kermit-looking motherfucker. Jesus Christ. Jason Sendole.

Yes. Hayton. Don Jason, the little, little man. That's crazy. He's perfect. He's more sensitive. Yeah. Everybody in his universe is four sensitive.

At this point, honestly, I'm going to say this is why I remember. We just went a whole fucking story of niggas who don't have the force. I will say this. There was that one healer. If anybody besides Gilroy turns baby Cassian into a fucking Jedi, I would take a hammer.

Brother. Bashir. Let me hold your hand when I say this. Like, that baby will return. I'm like, Faloni, stay away. Oh, my gosh. I get it. I get it. Like, I think that was the most beautiful ending because when they were making and or the thing that I

was always in the back of my mind just bummed out about, whereas like, not only do we know the ending, I know that it ends in a tragedy, to have the beautiful ending of like you said it earlier, this was really what Cassian was fighting for this entire time. And if we're going to be real, I think what the force healer felt in that moment probably is that the tragedy of this moment is that for Cassian to help save the universe, he needs to separate himself from this. and his kid, his kid can't live or Bix can't live if Cassian doesn't die. It's this thing once he can't outrun his fate. And I think that is just such a beautiful bow.

And I just think the Star Wars of it all, we're going to see Cassian Jr. Again, he's probably going to be if he's not. He's going to be a beautiful force sensitive. Damn, man. First of all, do we know that it's a boy or a girl? I don't know. I thought it was a boy. I never know about babies at that age.

I'm one of the worst. I'm one of the worst when it comes to misidentifying babies to, like, misgendering babies. Right. Like, I would see a baby. And when I say baby, I mean, it gets up to, like, age, like, two or three. Oh, it's a great little. I got to a point. I used to feel, I used to feel, like, fucked up about it.

But then I moved past it. Like, I see a kid, like, oh, it's a cute little girl. It's actually a boy. Fuck it. You got a girl. Fuck, go. Hey, whoa, whoa. Fuck it.

You know what I mean? Gender is a construct. It is. You know what I'm saying? That's why I think babies should be called it's. Right. Is it a boy or a girl? I don't know.

They haven't told me yet. Yeah, babies should be called it's, you know. So just call them it's. It's a it. So Cassie and his baby is an it. Okay. We're not doing that. It's a it girl or it boy.

Like, it's an it. I feel like Dejra deserved worse. I think Dejadre got, I think Dejadre got I want him. I wanted to see her hung at the stake, like on fire. Hung at the steak. Yeah, the whole thing. So you want to, so Jomi, you are the type of dictator that hangs somebody, then burns their body?

Are you burning them first and then hanging? Yes. Okay, got you. She got the worst. She got the worst. You don't turn evil during the apocalypse. Exactly, right? I want a nothing but pain for her.

She got the worst fate. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Because I wanted worse. She got bad. I wanted worse. We know how miserable that Empire Prison is. And she ain't got the chops to get off.

that bitch. No. Nope. She on the heated floors for the rest of her life. She got heated floors. She got, she got, she got, very hot floors. Yeah, so she, she, to me, she got it the worst. I think that looking at the entire show, the show wasn't about happy endings. It was about terrible ones. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I think this has an happy ending, then you haven't made you paying attention. I mean, again, we know how Rogue One ends. You know, like, a lot of these people get got when it's all set and done. And so to your point, absolutely. Yeah, it's just about like, it's grim for a lot of these folks. And the empire is fucking, they rotating people in and out like they, you get it fucked up. Who at this point is even a lie? Yeah.

I mean, the ISB cleared out. Yeah, they cleared the entire ISB out. And. Artigaz gone. Party gas gone. Lom Degro gone. Zero gone. Dedra gone.

like everybody's going Lonnie The actress who plays Dedra It was such a like An affecting moment During the montage When she's sitting in the prison And she just has like this movement Where she like puts her head down

And she's like She's broken It's just broke And I was like That to me is actually the most fitting end For the character Because Even even when we go all the way back

To the Gorman shit I feel like she had an inkling where she's just like, yeah, they want somebody who's going to say yes to this program. And if you agree to doing this, there is no way that you make it make it out of life. But it's so, it's so clear that when she's getting interrogated by,

oh my God, oh my goodness, who am I, Ben Mendelsohn, yes. That, that, that, like, ambition actually was the downfall. That the idea of her kind of like scavenging for, credit to get that recognition because she yearns for the idea of being recognized and ascending and that like kind of grasping for credit. Oh my God. And glory was the downfall that led to him like that led to him being able to read those files that led to all of those things. It is like as close as we can get to a one to one for as with McNulty and and and what's his name?

Freeman? No, Omar. Omar. Engineering their own down. Sorry. McNulty and, I can't believe I'm blanking out on his name. What's his name? Stringer.

Stringer, okay. Exactly. It's McNote and Stringer. Sure. It's just like, I got to get this guy. That's my guy. I have to get him. She sells Jung or not, that's Lonnie Jones, sorry.

The other ISB guy, right, goes in on his day off to capture Luther. He's like, yo, this is my beat. We, I, this is mine. What are you doing? We got, I didn't know ISB had internal affairs, but he's like, you got to like get arrested the whole thing. And so legitimately she was obsessed to the point of doing, like, breaking all the ISB protocols, doing stuff she was, she knew she was supposed to do because not that somebody had to get him. She wanted to get him. She had to get him. Yeah.

Right. You know what I always used to see or notice when I was watching Star Wars? is that the empire is also under the thumb of the empire. Vader is choking people out. Nobody cares. Like, there's no... What they're going to do. I get it.

You choke somebody out. It's like, hey, you get a promotion. That one time, an empire, with a dude just got choked out, and he's looking at the other guy that's on the ground. As he's looking back, as I see the Dedras and the serals and all of this, they all realized it too late.

For whatever reason that they were, a part of the empire, their ambition was forcing them up the ladder. They believe in the order of the universe. We don't know what happened in their past. That makes them believe in what Palpatine is trying to do. We're not quite sure why somebody is super into the empire. We get a little bit of that in the first season of Andor. We actually kind of do.

But for her, by the time she realizes that there's nothing that she can do, that actually will give her any type of agency, that she's like anybody else walking around the streets. And one step outside of who she is, since that that prison is forever, by the time she realizes that it's too late. Oh, sorry, you're so right. And I keep immediately thinking about how that echoes upwards

to Krennick in Rogue One, because he puts on that exact same face to Tarkin and all of his cronies when they're finally showing off the Death Star and he kind of fucks up and he's like, no, we didn't leak the plans. There's no way that we couldn't have possibly blah blah blah blah.

And it's like, no, this is my achievement. I did this. I'm the one that gets the credit. I get the glory. I'm wearing the fucking cape. And in the end, it doesn't matter because Tarkin just takes it away from him anyway. Yeah.

I think the genius of like Andor is what it's like revealing to you about the empire is like everybody from Cyril to Dejera, Cyril is just like, my God. is casting it. If I find him, not only does this mean a promotion, damn, I've saved

the empire. Same thing with, like, Dejra. Dej is like, if I find Axis, everything, like, every person up to the emperor has this thing where it's like, if I build the Death Star, if I do this, that, to your point, Thrawn is thinking more like a general being like, hey, wars are not us fighting

one person or two people, or you building one machine. A war is like a concept and it is something. that is vast and it takes strategy. And the thing that is fucking up everyone is I'm just like, credit's looking. All right. Why'd you go to fucking capture Luton alone?

Yeah. Why would you fall? And it's the same thing that happened with Cyril. At the moment that that person or that thing is right in front of them, they becomes, to your point, so human, where it's just like, there's no longer about the empire, there's no longer about me. This is literally just this one thing that.

I think will fix all of my problem. A series of interconnected vendettas and ambition missions. Yeah. Yeah. That don't really have a centrality to them that would make people think beyond their own ambition and beyond their own pain or trauma. Which was also attention

in the Rebel Alliance, right? It's what Luthor was kind of trying to talk about. Lutthin was continuously saying, think about the bigger thing. Yeah. Don't think about the person that you love or the person that you want to save. We can't afford to do that. Like, we're fighting asymmetrically against a much, much stronger foe. So the only way for you to do it is to realize that your life is forfeit.

I mean, Luke almost fucks up the entire Rebel Alliance and Empire Strikes back because he does the thing that, like, Luther would have been like, we got to kill this Jedi. Which is essentially just like, hey, yo, Yoda, fuck you. Fuck these teachers. Fuck everything. I got to go save my friends. I don't care. But Yoda is actually, Yoda and Obi-Wan are actually trying to get Skywalker to not. not do that, their, their wartime concieries.

Yeah. Hey, they're going to be okay. Come do this. Even when you watch the Jedi's from the prequels, like a Jedi falls behind, he'll catch up. Like, he can take care of himself. That's what starts turning Anakin in my opinion is Anakin is just like, we have so much power to affect this galaxy and y'all are putting me in a leash and don't want me to do it. I think that's honestly the downfall of the Skywalker's.

is that like the Skywalker's are not like Cassian. The thing that Cassian, what I think is beautiful in the previous trio that we were talking about in this, is that Cassian actually doesn't get to kill Dedra. Cassian doesn't actually get what he wants. Like he doesn't get that, oh, if I kill Dedra, I can get revenge on everything that happened on Therick, everything that happened with my family, all of these people. Never finds his sister? He never finds his sister, like none of that.

But his higher calling is, I, I have to forget about all that and fight for something that is bigger than myself and bigger than these vendettas. And it's interesting for someone like Anakin or Luke, how much they're like, they actually have the physical manifestation, the force. They have the power to affect change and how usually they go to the dark side when it's just like they're not actually thinking like leaders. They're not actually thinking about the bigger picture. They're like... It's very personal. It's very emotional, very personal.

And that's interesting. downfall with the Jedi is them pushing away their emotions, but then you start realizing why they had to do that, because they're just like, these are ticking time bombs. If every single time their like, brother, sister, or whatever, is in danger. They all doing all kinds of crazy shit.

Jummy? You guys feel like spinning Rogue One back at the end of episode 12? I did. I did a couple of scenes. Like last night being like, I fell asleep to it, because it almost made my enjoyment of the film so much. Oh, my God.

Like, watching Andor, like, all the way through and then watching Rogue One, it's almost like two different movies. Yeah. When you watch it from the first movie, Jen or so is the main character, we follow it through her eyes for the most part. After Andor watching it and, like, in my head, making Cassian the main character with everything that we learn about, you might. mentioned, like, Crenic in the leaks and stuff. Yeah. And that argument takes a little bit more spice. But they're talking about Cassian, that dude looks like a killer.

And you know, like, he's been killing. Wait, does the scene when he kills the dude in the beginning? Oh, my God. It's entirely different. It's, I was like, that's the easiest thing he did that day. Because, again, he had to go. He had to go. That's who he is.

When you first saw it, it was such a shocking thing for a Star Wars movie. But now it's not. No, you see that, you see how nasty and dirty we had to get. But he was, like, I think what's actually in, interesting is when he's supposed to go kill Gen Arso's dad. He's supposed to kill Galen Erso. And he's got him in his sights and he doesn't. Right.

Right. We know from Kaysson, we know it'd be like, boom, all right, cool, job's done. Where do we go next? And that moment he's actually like, maybe there's something there. Maybe I shouldn't just do this. Do you guys feel a little bit differently now where I'm just like, hey, yo, man, you got a, you got a beautiful wife and kid at home. You can't be doing flirting on.

You don't like, okay. Because they're, like, making it and they don't, like, kiss so they just never, like, affirmed for real. Man, like, they are making crazy eyes. They die spooning on the beach, but it is, it is a little, that's a little something. I'm so glad because there's, that's a Titanic situation. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a. That's a titanic situation. Damn, you think Bix, like, if Bix had a footage, she'd be like, I'm very glad she did. I know, I'm, I'm going to bell. I'm like, Fell, I gave you one job. I told you to get this boy. Don't let this man fall in life. Like, what the fucking happened?

Bix, Bix probably felt that she forced sensitive. Right. Biggs probably felt that she probably like, it's-Kat. Are you telling me? Biggs fell fucking and or, like, is that my name? My hand talking to another woman. Cass is she, like, Bix is probably somewhere stirring the food feeding a baby. Cass ain't got a new bitch.

She just looks out to the wind. She's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, what? What is this? I'll tell you what, though, man. that last hour when they get on Scariff. Oh, my God. That's special movie making right there, man. Cassian's so better than me because I would have,

I told you this before when we started recording. I would have crashed out on her when she's like talking about like, you're not in this fight and talking crazy to Cassian. And he's like, I've been in this fight since I was six years old. I'm like, I would have gone ballistic on you. Now that we know what his background is, like, hey, chill on my boy. All right.

Let's relax. Once again, Cass didn't be letting people talk stupid to him. Like, you don't tell me. I just give up the love of my life. Hey, do what I ask you to do. I've got a beautiful droid in a field. Yeah, like, you know, you don't tell me, man.

Look, let me tell you something. This is great stuff. Oh, yes. Before, you know what? Because we have, we have a lot to talk about. We might have to dip back into some Han Solo talk. Freakual talk. Midnight meter.

But before we get to that, let's throw a quick commercial break. And we'll be back with more. and or goodness. All right, Van, where do you want to start now? We'll get back

to the Han Solo conversation. All right, all right. So where are we at now with it? Because I do realize I might have,

I, I underrated Han Solo, but I still think that I would take Cassie and over him. So let's do it this way. Is Cassie and Andor now a top five Star Wars character of all time?

Not only that, yes. Not only that, yes. Top five? Top five. All right, Darth Vader in there immediately. Luke is in there.

Obi-Wan is in there. Obi-Wan's in there. Yoda in there. No? Yoda, not in there? Yoda. Okay, so look, if it's top five... Wait, maybe not Yoda.

Okay, so listen. I think it's top five non-force users. If it's top five, well, non-force users... No, no, no. We're doing all characters. Let's do overall, and then let's do non-force users. So if it's top five, the triplets got to be in there. Obi-Wan, Luke, Vader.

Han, Luke, Leia. Tom's got to be there Yeah, yeah, yeah Wait, Han is in there I'm gonna be real casting getting in Overlayer at this point No, no

Yeah You can't be doing that No, no, no I said it My name is Charles Okay, wow Wait, wait, wait, wait Wait, no

And I hate women Yeah, that's gone That bite's gonna be crazy So the triple Is Han Luke and Leah are there And then Vader's in there And all we want to know

Okay, so he's Definitely not that Definitely not toughball Unless you think he's over solo, which we have to talk about. If you can put Cassie andor in there for solo. Well, I mean, I saw the solo movie, but. That's what we're coming back to.

Because then we go, six is Andor over Yoda. No. Then seven is Andor over, you know, Amaze Window. He's probably over Mace Window. Is he over, is he over Boba Fat at this point? I think so. He's probably over Boba. What about Asoka?

No. No. Hell yes. Oh, what am I listening to right now? So I'll be real. Like, I was like, he's not over Leah. So we got the top five. Well, is he in top ten?

Unless you guys think he's over Hot Solo, which you guys were saying. No, no, no, no. We're talking about iconic. I'm not like, if we're talking about iconic, what they mean to the franchise, he's not over Han. He's not over a soap. So wait. So right now we have Obi-Wan, not in any order. Obi-Wan.

Oh, man. Vader, Leah, Han Solo. Triplets, Vader, and Obi-Wan. Yoda. Yoda would be six. I think Cassian is seven. You think Cassian is seven? I would put...

Wait, Asoka would be lucky to be 10. Have some goddamn shame. I don't know if I could... Have some goddamn shame. Rebels was moving. Remember rebels. Clone Wars is moving away. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Let's have some respect. Let's have some respect. There's levels to this? Nah. There's levels to this. I saw the Yosoka Live Action TV show. I saw it.

I saw it. Come on. Do we want to go back to that? Let's go back to that. Let's show some respect. Listen. Are we? Not her finest hour, but I've seen Clone Wars.

Let's not be the midnight boys right now. Let's try to be the midnight men. Nah, this is nasty. Okay, so the top five is set. Top five is set. So the top five, we're not going to rank in any order, although I could rank them in order. Don't do this. We don't know.

Rank them in order. Rank them in order. Okay, so if I'm ranking them in order. Vader's number one. It's Vader. Yes. Then it's Skywalker. Sure.

Uh-huh. Then it's. Solo? No, Obi-Wan is over-Sto. Yeah, Obi-Wan. Vader, Skywalker, Obi-Wan.

Just let you guys know as much as shit did y'all talk about the Jedi's, three Jedi. Yeah, yeah, we get it. Then it's Leia and then solo.

Actually, I have to make, so R2D2 should get in before Yoda, then it should be Yoda. If we just talking about, if we're just talking about characters, I didn't put joys in it, but if we just talking about characters,

R2D2 is six. Yeah. straight up Archibetia was six I agree Yoda was seven I think Cassian would be eight

I think Cassian would be eight No nah yes I think so Cassian would be eight and by the way guys this is canon stuff we're not going to legends

we're talking about canon stuff Cassian would be eight yeah then nine would be I don't think you put I don't think you put

Duku in there No Duku what fucking Ducco I'm just I'm just throwing a name What? Pappetine?

Tubacca would get him before a three pio. Chubacca. Chubacos probably before 3PO. I would say that Palpatine actually has... Nah. You put Chubachian. Palpatine's got an arc in a half. He's got...

Palpatine sucks, though. No, but he's got an arc. Palpatine over. I put a soak over Palpatine. This is the Soca disrespect is crazy. Why do you hate women, Charles? Just let you guys know it's a sausage fist. Only got one woman in the top ten.

I tried to put a soap one. in there. Well, honestly, if we're being real, I'd take them all over Asoka. I would put... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I would put... Look, look, look, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's insane. That's insane.

I would have to put... I get you, I guess you. I get you. I guess. I would have to put Asoka in over Palpatine, I said, Osoka should be 10. Okay, Asoka's 10. 10 and disrespectful. So, so six to 10 then is... R2D2, Yota.

Yota, Chubbacca. Chubaka Cassian. Cassian. And then, and then Asoka. Wait, did we, so who's not in there? Mando's not in there. Boba Fett's not in there. Baby Yoda's not in there.

Mace didn't make the cut? No. No. No. Oh, Padme? Padme didn't make the cut. Oh, shout of Padme. I don't know.

None of the rebels made the cut in there. Padme is kind of. Nah. I mean, yeah, it's a little, I mean, there's a little niche there. But at the same time. guys, we got to be honest, we might be, we might be prisoners of the moment with Cassie and Andrew. Absolutely. We might be, we might be.

Absolutely. Hey, shout out Mon Mothma. She's got like crazy lore. We might be, we might be prisoners of the moment with Cassie and Andor. Definitely. We might be. I guess what? Between Rogue One and two seasons of Andor, like, if I'm prisoner in the moment, lock me up.

It's a, it's a time. So you say between that, he's a top 10 Star Wars character. Yes. It's because, like, this, Andor and Rogue One now as a, as a whole, piece become like essential. You must not skip this in Star Wars canon. I agree. And I absolutely like this is this is essential.

If without Andor, without the quality of Andor, the last 15 years of Star Wars, last 20 looking raw. I mean, not to me. No, in terms of like the state of it and like, once again. You, first of all, you don't even claim the sequels anymore. The sequels. The sequel trilogy. I mean, yeah.

I like Force Awakens, but I wasn't the biggest fan of the sequel Trilogy. Solo? Yeah, but I solo actually like. We all know what Solo did. The Asoka Show, not great. I mean, I think we're overstating the Asoka show not being great. I think the Soka's show was okay. I thought it was solid.

I thought it ended poorly. Book of Boba Fett, not great. But I'm looking at, remember, I'm looking at all the Clone War stuff. I'm looking at Rebel stuff. I think we overrate the Clone War shit. No, no, no. No, no. Clone Wars has shit.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, all right, I'm not going to get it. And what? What? No, no, no, speak your truth. Hey, man. Clone Wars started off as a Saturday morning show. It's a great Saturday morning show. We should treat it as such.

I think, like, it's great content. I love it, too. But, like, come on, bro. There's, like, there's the league. There's the league, and then there's the G. Like, less people. The G league. All right.

We talk about the Clone Wars now. Okay. You don't like it. All right, for sure. Whoa, well, the Clone Wars got. episodes, but there's a lot of fat in Clone Wars. There's a lot of episodes where I'm like, I don't know

if we needed two or three, George R. Vink's episode. Sure. Okay. Boba Fett's the biggest faller, I think. Yeah. Sure. Because pre-Hat no. No, but pre-Hat show, yeah, well, I think. It doesn't fall as hard as Boba, no. No. I think if we're

if we do this, like, if we have everything, you take away all the Boba stuff, we probably have them somewhere. We're at least talking about it. Yeah. But with the show and we're just like, nah, he didn't even like

come up in conversations for the time. So, Acolyde as well. If we're talking about this, so then. So then Cassian, you say Cassie is the top ten

Star Wars character? Hell of you. In terms of also, you brought the wire. I like to use the wire as a comp where it's just like the wire was very, very celebrated,

but it was never like the biggest show. But when you look at the ripple effects of what it meant to TV, what it meant to culture, what it meant to the, like actors and who we see on screen. Sometimes I feel like we do have to wait like does the quality of something

and just what it does not only for its franchise but just like the ecosystem. Sometimes I do think you have to reward that because in time I do think people are going to keep going back to Andor and be like oh shit this was this was a generational moment and I think you need to reward that. And like here's the thing.

A lot of this is music. We're just having fun. We're just having fun. Apology, we just talking shit. But yeah, but like, if I look at someone like Asoka, I think Asoka's... A woman. A reputation...

A character. Asoka's reputation, I think, got a little bit dinged because they almost overused her at this point. And, like, sometimes I feel like I have to... If we stopped at the... Like, what? She shows up in the first season, Amanda? Yeah. No, season two.

Season two? If we stopped there, I think we would have... But the fact that we... They went back to the well at rebels. That's Faloni's baby. Mando, Solo. I'm just like, I think the hubris of that, you got to factor in. There's been a lot of bad Asoka that is fucked with the really good Assoca. This is what I'll say about Asoka.

If Cassie and Andor is the character through which we examine and litigate the desperation and the desperation of the rebellion and the oppression of the empire. Then Asoka is the character by which we litigate one of the most important things in the history of Star Wars, which is the Jedi. So, Asoka's character, and I'm just, by the way, I'm not arguing this. I think there's a really interesting argument just because this is barbershop talk. But I think Asoka's character is super important in that for decades of Star Wars before then, the Jedi were seen as this infallible, selfless, incorruptible organization. And it's through her character

from Pateron to Jedi to force user that we kind of relitigate the Jedi. That's how important the character is. That's what she represents in Star Wars. Cassian is something that is incredibly important as well. He made us really see how bad things are

or the show did. And what you have to do and what you have to sacrifice to bring down an empire. So can I ask this then for Asoka? Part of me sometimes feels like if Asoka had a more contained finale like Cassian where Cassian story ends, we know where Cassian story ends, we know what his sacrifice meant. With Asoka, I'm just like the real end of that story where it should have ended. And I think the power of that character would have kept resonating is the end of Clone Wars

walking away from the Jedi, doing the very thing is just being like, oh, this is someone who is saying, like, the Jedi have gotten so fucked up, I'm leaving this religion and this culture behind. When you keep bringing Asoka back and you keep changing the story and like now she's sticking around, sometimes I'm just like, oh, it's harder to judge

what the character I think means because, like, yeah, it's kind of like poochie. Like, I'm just like, yo, I liked Osoka when she was the Padawan that was just like fucking left, not the one that's showing up in rebels and the solo thing and all I'm like, I feel like you're kind of also like, you might

be over comparing that to kind of what a lot of Star Wars has done all the time. Like, we didn't need to know everything about Anakin in order to give us Darth Vader and how much we love him. And yeah, there's some stories about Anakin that we don't really like. I think they're fucking up Anakin, too. No, no, sure. But it's the fact that

like, you wanted to know though. Exactly. We would have wanted to. And whether or not we... You wanted to know you wanted to know why. For sure. Sure. Yeah. And whether or not we liked it, it still didn't change our overall love for that character. But for the sense of Asoka, yeah, maybe she hasn't exactly been,

her exposure hasn't exactly had the hit rate that's saying Anakin has. I think the same thing happened to BobaFet. That's not true. That's not true. Most, like, a great chunk of her stuff is Clone Wars. Sure. Great. Fantastic. We're all that good time. Love it. Second is Rebels. Great.

Had a good time. Love it. Amanda, your mileage may vary. I think the first appearance is cool. Actually, she comes back in, well, she comes back in Book of BobaFet, right? Am I misremembering that? Yeah, no, in Book of Mubhap, where Din visits Baby Grogu, and it's great. And we all got on guitar.

It was awesome. No, but then we leave that being like, damn, why so I'm a asshole? Why she treating Grogu like this? Maybe. Well, that's more Luke treating Grogu like that. No, they was both treating fucking Grogu like he was a scrub. She was getting fucked over. and then

it's true sure and then you have Asoka the show which again I've had my own little qualms about what happened but at the same time

I still think most of it is fun most of it was good most of it is good most of it's fine yeah I'm not talking about the most I'm talking about the shit

yeah but the stuff that doesn't work you're putting it like you're weighing it like crazy heavy but here's the thing we get another season of Asoka and they still have not like I'm just like

well we haven't done that season yet. Bro. You're missing. Yeah, you're misjudging and Osoka. O&M. They're getting too cute.

There's a high usage rate. These motherfuckers are old. It's just like, dog, relax. Shit. But that's not what they were talking about, though. For Cassing andor, if I'm judging someone who has 100% on the test and a motherfucker who got like a 75.

Cassie and Andor old? How old is Diego Luna? He got to be 48, 47. I mean, how old is? Why is his a kid? Why is his nigga be like 31 years old? 45. 45.

It's my same age. This is less about age and more so about like, they put in Osoka, they were like, yo, you want a clip of her being a baby? People like Asoka. I like Asoka too. We were just wondering why. She was at number 10 and casting at number seven.

Okay. Well, that's your number. That's your number. That's yours. What would your rank it be? I don't think I'm putting Cassing in my top 10 just yet. Okay. I don't think I can't.

Look, this stuff was. so good. But I don't think I'm putting cast in in my top ten just yet. But it's crazy, though, because the importance of this story is like parallel to, in my opinion, like Empire

and Newho. Like, it's just as important. We got two perfect seasons of TV and a phenomenal movie out of this. Doesn't matter. Why? Because this is the problem. Why doesn't it matter? This is the problem. This is the problem. Because they're not

using superpowers. Bare minimum. You take the bare minimum and say, thank you, Daddy Filoni. Fuck all this shit, right? Empire Strikes back as the bare minimum. You say that this,

so look, this, okay, because what you guys, I'm not saying they're better. I'm not saying it's as good. I'm saying it is as important. Okay.

To the story and canvas of Star Wars as a whole. And it pushes the entire franchise. It proves that this shit is possible. Okay, so two things I'll say. One is that proof of a concept of how we can like still do Star Wars, you're right. It's incredibly important.

For deepening the understanding of the Empire period of Star Wars, I get it. Two things can also be true. This is a new type of Star Wars. It's a different type of Star Wars. It is and for the type of Star Wars that it is

is executed flawlessly. It's not Empire Strikes Back. It's not. I agree. It's not. It's not Empire Strikes Back. I understand. And it probably can't be Empire Strikes Back. It probably is impossible for anything to be Empire Strikes Back.

It's impossible, right? It's probably not there. Cassie and Andor, all of these other characters that we're talking about is really going to be about the memories that you have with these characters. If you're just talking about, like, how things are written or whether or not it was good, I couldn't say that Andor is the second best. Star Wars epic story that we've gotten besides Empire Strikes Back? What would be the tiers then?

Because I think it's Empire, I think it's Andor. And I think everything else is... So returning to Jedi and New Hope are like way under Andor. No, no, no, not way under. But if I was, if I was like ranking in terms of like, you know, what's S tier, what's like A tier, it would be Empire andor. And then it would be like New Hope, Last Jedi, return. I think revenge is probably out of B for me now.

So this is what I would say. All of that could be true, but, man, they threw people in the Salt Lake Pit. No, I get that. I mean, they... Returned a Jedi. It's not a perfect movie, though. It's not a perfect movie. There's a lot like, I still can't get...

But it finishes Luke's perfect arc. So this is what we're saying is like, Skywalker in that movie is a perfect character. It finishes Luke's perfect. arc. This is a perfect show. Cassian Andor, to me, hasn't met, and maybe, and I'm trying not to be a prison at a moment, maybe he will, hasn't met the level of some of these other characters quite yet. And I'm not in the ranking or tier making section of this. This is fun. This is just fun to do. We should do a Star Wars content tier list. But like, I'm only saying that the importance of the story that the arc of Cassian that has been shown to us with his show and his role in Rogue one,

the overarching tapestry of that to me finds just as much import to me as something that the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy gave me. I'm saying that because it's like we talk about these things about like good and evil and the bureaucracy and the banality of the people of those systems

and those conversations that spawned from the original Star Wars are still echoed in the thing that this show did. So, so casting and Cassie and Orne's story is as important as Luke, I am your father. Yeah. Or no.

I'm not saying that. Or no, not Luke, I'm your father. Or no, I am your father. Yeah, to me, these are the types of stories that still stick, that will stick with me for the rest of my life. You don't have no story. If that don't happen in empire. I'm still saying empire is better. I'm still saying empire is better.

I'm still saying that one is better. I'm saying that they are equal to me. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. And what I'm telling you is something can be, by the way, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm just saying that it is an interesting thing. Like, we love Andor and it's a, like, it's a gigantic, amazing show.

But the pillars on which this thing was built. Look, I look at it like this. As far as the quality of what it is that we're talking about, the quality of what it is that we're talking about, Andor is second best in terms of quality to empire. Sure. All right. Outside of all kinds of.

stuff that you might have read, which this stuff is. But if we're talking about importance and or supplemental. I mean, most of, but like most of what we get from Star Wars, I would argue, is in the supplemental category. Yeah. For a while. I'm like, all of

the Clone Wars, rebels, Book of Boba Fett, like mando shit to me is supplemental. So then what is core then? At this point, I think what is core is the movies. and that's about I think everything

Well, I can agree with that. That's nothing against Andor That's nothing against like the Flonians. Like guys, I like rebels and I like clone goals. I'm more so saying like to me that's the new That's the new version of you being a kid Reading a Star Wars book that you're just like It's giving me the same feeling but it's not

It's not core. Ever since Disney bought this shit We've never needed more Star Wars. We're going to get more and we'll love more and I hope to love more in the future. We don't need anything. Exactly. I think that my thing is

comparing a show, even a perfect show, to characters who've stood the test of time for over 50 years. Right? You're getting mad to me. I'm not mad, but like, dog, I put Cassie in at like what.

I think he came in at like eight or nine. This isn't that. You said that casting yesterday, you've changed it up. You said Cassing was married. Better than all solo. Whoa, I still believe that. If I'm driving.

All right, all right. If I'm drafting the importance. Jomey! To the universe? Joe me! So I was doing the breakout last night. Everybody's seeing it where these two gibronies are like Cassie and his brother than Ron Solo.

He got, how does it feel to have somebody get at you? All right. Can I ask you all this? No, no, I'm doing the breakout. And I'm listening to y'all. And it sounds like, maybe this is reductive. Maybe this might be a little mean. But it feels like y'all are like, you know when like,

Kevin DeRan, some of the MVP. Sure. He's like, yo, I want to thank everybody who make this happen, bro. I want to thank, you know, my mom, my teammates. I want to thank the bro at the kitchen, real, who was making them eggs real nice. Bro, you was doing your thing. Shout out.

Cash seemed a dude making the eggs, bro. He can make the best eggs in the world. But at the end of the day, Han was out there hooping. Han was out there blowing up two death stars. Let's have some respect. So can I ask you all? Let me ask you this. Cassian, if we look at his ledger

and everybody that he saved pretty fucking flawless. Cassian, everybody fucking died, what are you talking about? Luton dead? The galaxy? What I mean? Hans Solo?

Cassian is... There's no fucking Han Solo if there's not Cassian. All right, like, let's respect our elders. They made sense. And let me finish. He made dance. And, like, let me finish.

We have to factor in for Han Solo. There is how many people he saved helping destroy the deaths. star, but we got a minus all the motherfuckers. He fucked over and the fucking what you'll call it first order and Kylo Ren fucked over. I love how you like

to do this. I love how y'all like to do this. Honololo has nothing to do with it. That's not all. Cassian can't be a baby death. Howan Solo has nothing to do with Kylo has nothing to do with Kyle O'Ren? No, it has nothing to do with what Kyle O'Rin went on to do.

All right. You're telling me that if his daddy didn't love him a bit more, then he wouldn't have become a genocidal maniac? What I mean? That's not, you guys are not paying attention to the story. I am paying attention to the story. Oh, you like that last gentleman.

And Daddy walked out on his kid. You liked to see what? And Daddy didn't love him. So he went to his uncle. Cassian? Not Cassian. Is Cassian father of the year? Cassing doesn't even know about his seed.

He was, he was helping the fucking galaxy when Hans Solo was still fucking in a badass movie. And do you know how Hans Solo was helping the galaxy? By allowing his son to train with the Jedi. With a history, with a familiar history, a fucking over the galaxy. His son is a Skywalker. He's nothing they can do about that. They got some bad traits. And so as a father, as a father, if you know you're marrying into, like, honestly, at this point, like, in 80-20 family,

where there's an 80% chance these motherfuckers are going to grow up and be Sith lords. Oh, they will, they will try it. Yeah, they will. So at no point, are you not, Han Tov couldn't have been on the planet with Luke be like, A-O-Loop. Like, bring it down. This is a nonsensical? Because it's like,

you're like, yapping. You're like, yapping. But I'll say this. It's a great yap session. So y'all, you all just,

10 out of 10, yeah. It's a great yapsing. So, if we compare the feats. Right. Also, low,

two death stars. Okay. One genocidal son. One genital son. One, but that you can't. And he basically, it's not actually two death stars. The star killer base or whatever they call that

fucking bullshit. The Death Star 3 cancels out his second one. Why? Because he helped build the fucking third one. How did he help build the third one? Because he birthed space Hitler. He didn't help build a third one at all. Yes, he did.

I'm not allowed to go. Where was Han? This is crazy reaching. In Force Awakens, where the fuck was Han? Nobody knows where Han is. He fucks off. He's not doing shit. They broke up.

So you abandoned your child? You abandoned a child, abandon the galaxy. I'm telling you right. now that Cassie and Andor is not father of the year. He doesn't know about his so what? It don't matter. He's supposed to be poor sensitive, sensitive, and just feel him? Well, I'm telling you is right now

is, I don't think that Kylo Ren in any way reflects on Han Solo. He definitely does. He literally does not. Anyway, if anything it reflects on Skywalk. Okay, well, did we see adolescence? Because I would have found a couple of analogies for

one, Kylo Ren. But that got, the The adolescence is a terrible example because the father in adolescence. Better does not make you good. It was an incredibly, incredibly sympathetic figure because he thought his son was safe because his son was in the room. Yeah, but being a better father does not make you a good father. And Andrew Tate. So the bad father, he's got to chill on the bad father allegations.

Okay. When your grandfather is freaking Darth Vader. It's tough. There's a lot going on. So you're like, hey, how about this? Let's send you up to camp with you with your uncle. who's a force, he knows he's supposed to know what he's supposed to do. And it turns out actually he tried to murder you in your sleep.

At least you think so, that might put you off on a little thing. His uncle admitted it. And he said he's not there. And he said to snow. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Hahn already knows that Luke tried to kiss his sister. You know what I'm saying?

So at this point, I'm just like, we're going to watch you. So at this way, I'm just like, we got to watch him. We got to watch him. I'm not putting my kid around him. I got to watch you. Okay. Completely honest. Let's say, people are going to kill me.

This is funny. It's fun. Look how good Andor is. Let's say that we take away, let's just for the sake of the argument, we take away the Kyle Oren theme because it's really silly. But let's say for the sake of the argument,

we take it away. And we just compare Cassie and Andor to Han Solo. I'll give them, they can split credit for the first Death Star. They can split credit. No, it's a... They can both have it.

It's a 70-30 thing. How? 70 to... 70 to HOD? 30 to Kahn? see it? No, Cassie got 70. All right. Honda. Come on, man.

Yeah, all right. Yeah. Literally saved. Who was the only person who could have made the shot to destroy the best Star? Skywalker. Now, there's some questions. Okay, so here the questions. The question, the first question is, was Vader going to blow up Skywalker's X-Wing? I don't think that he was. Possibly not.

But I do think that he would have done what he had to do to make sure a Skywalker couldn't blow the Death Star up. Yeah. So Han Solo is directly responsible with a hockey assist. Yeah, sure. For the destruction of the first death star. But what I was saying is Cassian endorsed. Get into the split.

No, no, but they don't, it can't be even split because Cassian basically did the whole fuck. This is take home, there's a group project. This motherfucker took it home. He was in jail. He was at Aldani. He was on Ferris. He did all this shit.

He was with Luton. Han was fucking... That shit wasn't even for the Death Star. They didn't learn it was for the Death Star. They didn't even learn this shit. They didn't even learn the Death Star until two, three days before. He literally thought about the Death Star and two days before. Where did he is, Han Solo?

Because Han Solo didn't know. Where would Hans Solo be? Where would Han Solo be without Luther and Cassian? Nowhere. No one would even know his name. Right, but the reality, that don't matter. That don't even matter, though. So he gets 30% of the credit?

No, what I'm telling you is that. Well, first of all, here's the deal. Hans Solo would still be the... Well, actually, no, because they wouldn't be trying to destroy the Death Star at all. They wouldn't even know. They'd just be, like, running around new complaints. So I give them credit. Let's say, so you say they can't split it.

I'm not going to be a commotion about it. Let's say it's 6040. Okay. I can do 6040. Let's say 6040. All right. Andor has zero for the second Death Star. He gets zero.

Because he was in the room. When they destroyed the second their star, he gets zero for that. So, but just, just Cassie not get any credit for all of helping the rebels before there was even alliance? Yeah, no, because remember after, because remember how much they brought them up, man, in Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back. So here, and here's my thing, circling back to Andor, y'all are doing what the galaxy does. Y'all listening to the propaganda. You want to listen to the rebels version. The rebels?

You want to listen to the rep. Rebels can't have propaganda? They literally are like, Hey, yo, Cassian, we realize that you saved Mon and our whole rebellion. You got to clean this up a little bit. We got to put them again. We got to put them with the cartoon character.

The saving of Mon, I give Cassian credit for it. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. But you got to give a solo credit for saving Skywalker. All right, fair, fair, fair, all right. So I'm telling you, if we just, if we just, this is actually a really good argument.

So he saved Mon. You get credit for that. It's a little hairy in the sequels, but we get a little. That's a feat. Hawn goes out, he saves Skywalker, puts him in the guts of the, what's the bantha, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, puts them in the guts of the bantha. Skywalker is the one that goes on to actually be a part of taking down the emperor and finally ending the rebellion, The Empire kind of. But is this a little bit of like, Han also had like

the Jedi Messiah next to him. So there is a little bit of like, I agree. Yeah, better system around him. Like, Han is, if we're being real, like, still more iconic. Cassie might, like, we might, I'm being a little bit of a preserve the moment. But can you agree that like,

when you're standing next to like a Jedi, there's a lot of like, system. It's like a big three. Yeah, sure. somebody got to be in a D-Wa. Luthan, like, that was like the Spurs to me where it's just like, it's not sexy.

Like Cassian, Vell, Sinta, it's like, they might win some championships, but it's not going to be the flashiest shit you ever see. Luton is the Greg Popovich of Star Wars. Oh, yeah. Luton is the Greg Pop. Luton is, he is the best coach in Star Wars. I feel like the Luton, like, all that

is more like the O-4 Pistons in the sense of there's no like, there's no like superstar for real. Well, guy gets, Cassing will be. I guess Cashin will be, but Cassian's like

Chauncy Billups. Well, Cassian is like a Tim Duncan. Really? Cassian is a Tim Duncan. Yeah. No for real?

Timberos is a superstar. Wait, does that make, does that make Han Kobe? Toots two MVP? Nick I ain't never try to Oh, no. They ain't trying to watch

no Tim Duncan on a Saturday evening. No? Don't get a lot. Tim Duncan was a fucking first fan. Tim Duncan was, Tim Duncan was fucking fantastic. Tim Duncan was a, Tim Duncan was an amazing basketball player

a constant winner. He wasn't moving weight on the TV numbers, though. The greatest parol forward of all time. Niggles wasn't trying to sit down and watch that shit, Bradlight talking about. Shout out to Tim Duncan. I love great basketball. That's actually what I will say.

I love great basketball. Shout out to Tim Duncan. I don't want to hate on Kim. What am I doing? I apologize to Tim Duncan. You love Oslo so much? I can't say that about Tim Duncan, man. Tim Duncan was a motherfucking dog.

Come on. Yeah. What are you talking about? But also, and I will say this. I mean, he didn't have the flashiest style, but it was a lot of fun watching. and Tim Duncan. And Han Solo, if I, like, he's just so charming.

Like, he got the lies. He's the man. He got Princess Leia. He's the man. It's even in the argument, I'm like, damn. He's the man. I'm really shitting on his feet just to get up against him. Cassie ain't got it like that, but Cassie ain't got other, Cassie ain't got a different type of charm.

Cassie got that desperate charm. I love it when Cassie gets frazzled. No, I'm flying it. But I love it when he gets frazzled. Look at me. I mean, I don't know what Kate two. is just like, I work so much better when I know the plan. I was like, get it.

How many rules they break? 17. All right. For everybody that thinks that went all too long? Fuck you. That is my favorite conversation we've had. We started with Asoka and we ended on fucking tipto. On a wild, the app session. All right, are we ready for the midnight meter?

We are. All right. Midnight meter. Y'all know what it is. One to 12. one being the worst 10 being amazing 11 12 true game changers i'm gonna go first it's a 12 instant classic 12 12 12 easy work when was the last time we did an auto we had like an auto immediate 12 the last season of andor i want to by the way not only it it's a 12 i want to do something

no i want to have a special episode of the midnight boys a dress-up episode we all dress up And we induct Andor into the midnight. Yeah, we should, you know what we should have? Jerseys. For all the 12s that are back there. We should have jerseys up. We should have jerseys in the rafts. Oh, little banners.

We should have little banners in the rafters for all the 12s on the midnight. Does anybody have a quick? Because what's, we have. I think it might have gotten close in Dune, but I don't think that was a unanimous. I don't think Dune got there. This has been unanimous 12. Wait, Doom Part 2 didn't get a 12? I don't think it was a unanimous 12.

unanimous 12s. For all the unanimous 12s that are out there, unanimous 12s, they 48s. We call it Club 48. Club 48. Wow. Club 48 is what we'll call it.

Unanimous 12s, you put up into the rafters. Andor is the first Insta auto unanimous 12 ever. You guys, there are other movies. In game, I don't think, is a 48. We did a whole episode on this. I know, but I'm like 12s from everybody. there's got to be a list. I don't know how.

What? So shout out to the Midnight Meter on Twitter. He logs, or they log both of rough stuff. Dune Part 2. We both gave it, or you gave it a 12. You gave it a 10. We gave it, we gave it 11s. You gave it 10, you son of a bitch.

That's not the worst. You son of a... No, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Oh, yeah. In retrospect, I should have given it a 12, yeah. In retrospect, I don't even think that's the worst one. Obviously, X-Men 97. You gave that a 6.

you give that 11. I think the most egregious that should be Club 48, but it's not, you gave Shogun a 12. Oh. I gave Shogun a 12. Charles gave Shogun a 12.

Oh, Steve was eight in? Steve gave it an 11. Yeah. What do you got to guess the Japanese people? Wow, Steve. I really don't. I do love the Japanese people. Clearly not enough.

No. Clearly not enough. So Club 48, Insta, all we got, we're going to, look at this and then we're going to, I mean, we're all good. Midnight, midnight packed right here. Club 48 for all three, and or.

Three, two, one. Andor. Club four, I went through one way. Club five. Club four eight for Andor. Yes. We got to find out what else is in there and that's what we'll do with these. We'll have for these, these things will be club 48.

I don't know how much. I don't know if we'll be able to do it. This is Magnus. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get that. Club 48. We'll put them back there. That's what we'll do.

48 club and we'll induct and or in. Maybe we'll get Tony Gilroyal because he goes over to the watch. I mean, I will say, but we have to after this week we do have to make a promise whatever Star Wars shit comes out. We can't do that. It's not Andor.

It's not getting it. That's good. We're not getting it. It's just, yeah. Let's just watch. Can we retire the glaze? Can we retire the glaze? If we put it up in the rafters. Maybe. I'll tell you something real quick. This is a true story that happened. Verse fans, I regret to inform you that due to the initiation of Deep Shaddle Protocol, this bit had to be edited out of the pod.

I know. I'm just as disappointed as you are. Thanks as always for listening. And the Midnight Boys, Poo Poo Poo! We'll get back to you shortly. Whatever. They're going to kill me. They always killing me for this shit.

I didn't say it. You co-signing it? You co-signed it. I didn't say it was the coldest thing. It was cold. That's the cold. It was cold because I was like, God, damn. We just let you out of jail for the Sierra shit and you just walk right back to the Degra.

You like dead dress. You like that. I stand by the Sierra thing. Jesus Christ, man. I stand by the Sierra thing. By the way, not only do I stand by the Sierra thing. You don't. You don't double down on this.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I see a lot of hypocrites, by the way, because our beautiful friend Robin Rihanna Finti How do we get here? Is pregnant. And I think it's amazing that her and Rocky have such an amazing family. But I saw people on the internet that were saying, hey, Rihanna is pregnant again. When are we going to get the album? Which is wrong.

If it's wrong to say, hey, somebody is pregnant and added to their family, when are we going to get the album? But I didn't see anybody getting all up in arms and getting at these people. That is absolutely not in-bri-or-not-cooked right now. You're not saying nothing. It's the same shit. So you agree that it's wrong to say. You agree. I'm not agreeing.

So we agree. No, I'm not agreeing. What I'm saying is, if it's okay to say, hey, you know, don't get her. Hey, my pregnant, my pregnant black sister, you looking real thick. I love that. Versus, Ariana dropped the album is different. Not, first of all, all I'm saying is. Don't.

This is what I'm saying. All I'm saying is, a lot of women that I'm saying is, a lot of women that I, I've known over the years, get super fine after they have a baby. I love that. Okay? And that's what Sierra is right now. And let's let us enjoy it a little bit before we go back to the well. Jesus Christ, a lot.

Can you just say pregnancy is beautiful and you can move on, bro, bro. Pregnancy is beautiful. Not saying anything is so free. Pregnessy is beautiful. Pregnant women are beautiful. Yes. Yep. And women after they had that baby be fine as hell.

I'm sorry. Y'all don't know nothing about this because y'all unsothered. Like if y'all was southern. Yeah, if y'all was southern like me, y'all know. I've seen attractive pregnant women. This is fake. They're attractive. No, I'm talking about after, too.

Yes, after. I get it. I get it all. Did you see Sierra at the Metgala? Sierra got it, bro. That's all I'm saying. Russell, shout out to you. You know what?

How about this? How about this? How about this? Russell, I apologize. That's it. That's cool. You only apologize to Russell? You didn't apologize to,

Sierra. That's Sanji. Is what I said about Sierra wrong? That is such a lot. That's not. Is what I said about Sierra wrong? I only said she was fine. Apologize to her too.

I apologize to the whole Wilson family. I apologize to everything that happened. You know what? That's fine. No, I'm watching. You need to apologize to Sierra. I apologize, baby. I apologize to Sierra.

Jazz and Fizzle production. I apologize to Sierra. I apologize to Russell Wilson for saying Sierra was fine as hell. I'm sorry. I can't say that. I'll probably, you know what? Fuck it, y'all win. I've never seen a woman that looks good.

Stay away from me, girls got cuties. The new, the new, the new slogan on the Midnight Boys is girls got cooties. Girls got cooties. I've never seen a woman that was good. I've never seen, is it okay to see, let me ask you a question. Right. Is it okay to say that you want to see a woman in a bathing suit? Is that okay?

I mean, no, what, yeah, you can say that. It sounds creepy. It sounds creepy to say that you would like to see a woman. Am I going up to a woman? Be like, I love to see you. No, not to her. But if like to just, is it, okay, women look good and women. Yes, it's still the outside thoughts, inside thoughts.

Why are they outside? What I'll say this. Is it okay to say, oh, I would love to see the way she would look and this and this and that. For a woman. A little. What no, no, no, whoa. I'm not going to co-side that. I will say.

The loneliness epidemic. only go up with your generation. It will be real. There's the conversations that I have with my boys. When we at the bar, we have to card together. And then when the mic is on. Oh, so basically, y'all, now you're saying that it's two different standards.

No. That you co-onsign what he's saying. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to. This is the purpose of what I said. The purpose of what I said was that Sierra looks amazing. And I enjoy looking at Sierra. Yeah, but if you told me that,

and he was like, damn, you see this photo of Sierra pregnant? I'd be like, damn, why? It wasn't a photo of Sierra pregnant. That's what you're, it was a photo. Sierra was, she was dancing and she had underwear on or like a brief song. Yes, we all saw the, yeah. And I was like, brought it to the public square. I brought it to the public square.

I saw the fucking shit on her Twitter. You brought your thoughts. You brought your thoughts to the public square. So what you guys are saying is it's okay for, okay, never mind. All right, cool. No, no, no, wait, hold on. Y'all got it. Because it's, like, policing thought, I'm not going to say to him, be like,

try to police everybody's thoughts. I'm just saying it out loud. It's one thing to think something. That's another thing to type it out, hit sand, and let it fly. Okay, so basically, so what's your saying is. You being hoarding on me. Hold on, hold on. You be like, you can't be hoarding on Maine no more.

So what you're saying is that Sierra, or anybody else can put it out, put it out there, and then we're supposed to act like we don't see it. No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying if you are horny on Maine and you are a public figure like you are, people are going to be like, hey, you know,

they're entitled to, too. Everybody's entitled to feel the way they want to feel about it. I just don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, I don't, I don't see what the big deal is. Hey, man, you got too much trying to be horny on Maine. That's what it is. Yeah. Too much what?

You got too much ready to be horny on Maine, but. Yeah. And I, you got too much money. This is, that never, that never changes. From my cold dead hands. That never changes. All I'm saying is, look, I get it.

It makes people uncomfortable sometimes to admit that other people are sexually desirable. And that makes y'all go, ooh. But for me, that's it. For me, this is y'all, y'all, y'all, ooh, girls got cooties. Don't matter what happens. By the way, I want to keep this, I want this energy to be fucking sustained. I don't want to hear no more about Haley Steinfeld

and being bricked up in the theater like you I got a new wife that's all you I don't want to hear it why why no I don't want to hear about it I don't want to hear about people

who look good fuck it everyone looks King Vaughn says stop the gun violence exactly he didn't get a chance before it was too late I like I I don't want to hear no more about it

what is the new slogan of the midnight boys. Girls got Cootie. All right, we're going to do the 48th episode real quick. I stand by it. I don't change.

Bix, how does Bix look? Great as a month. Beautiful. Post. So she didn't look. Great call. So Bix didn't look. Bix wasn't killing it at she had that baby.

That's that snapback. Anyway. Again, you just say this shit. Bix looked good. Goodness gracious. Bix looked good. Shout out Bix. That's a fine one.

finish this episode. Leave it all in the podcast, too. If one thing gets taken out, I'm on strike. We talked about Andor for like 15 minutes at this point. We talked about Andor a whole time. You talk about Hans Solo? We're talking about it. We're talking about it.

I love this podcast. I love y'all. That's a rap. We'll have a lot of fun. This is Rek on the Ring of Verse feed. House of R. House of R. There's a group of people that never talk about how they want to fuck people

and how they look and all of that stuff like that. Shout out to my girls. You have to know why that's different. Shout out to my girls. Shout out to my girl. You know what? I'm going to have, I'm going to do a pod with Mallory.

And the name of the pod is going to be like, the name of the pot is going to be people we'd fuck. Just me and Mallory on the podcast talking about it. We're not going to do it because we're both stable. But that's going to be the pod because Mal gets it. Right. Mal gets it. Okay.

Mal gets it. Mal understands me. your caller right now. Thursday on button match, we dive into Last of Us. It was great pot on with y'all. I'll see you at the next company. I'll see you at the next company.

This is great. Thursday button match dials into Last of Us. Really hope Van and Joyce Barstool. Shit, they got more problems than that over there. I've been following them socials. It's been going up. This is crazy shit happening over there.

Please God. Lay in the plane. Please God. And Midnight Boys give you their last of us reactions. right when the episode ends. Shout out to PFT and Big Cat and to Aaron Foster. Shout to Brandon Walker. My people.

I know those people. Our producers are Steve. Girls got kudis. Almond. Jonathan Kerma. Jomi. I don't want to look. Jomi, hashtag the milk merchant.

Why would we call him that? Because he's always looking at white women and additional production from Arjuna Rap Capow. A little extra. He's like, fuck you. Yeah. He's not going to a little, he's not going away without a fight.

Nuts. Can we prep? Take us out. Pregnant women are beautiful. Stop. Shout off CT, man. Long live the ferrics bell. Congratulations to Andor

for being our first auto tour. Boom! My man, Mosh Toure, I want to break this out because we need you to do this. He had an idea. What do I need to do? He has a group of people called the solutionaries. Oh. And they come up with stuff.

You know, Mosh comes on there. Like, he comes on my comments and I post them and he goes, all you niggas are wrong. But I'll do like an idea that he had, my n-a-mage. He said he needs one of his white solutionaries to say the N-word and then start a go-fund me. and then they will break the money in half. Oh. So, Steve, I was thinking. Oh.

So that. Sactivist. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, we need you to do your part. Okay. Inward video. Okay. I'm not, yeah, but not, we need you to go, I need you to go to, uh, elementary school, like

an all. Oh, okay. Let's, like, unload elementary school. Oh, okay. Go to, like, the Upper West Side and really, I was thinking like you go to like a nursery. Sure. Just like a little infant.

Right. Just whispering their ear. Right. Yeah. Just like getting them right there. Like a little. Right. Like you just do it.

Like it's a wish. Like yeah. But here's the thing. Does there needs to be a lot of black kids around or like you find the one black kid surrounded by white people? Sorry. I'm missing a step. I'm missing a step.

I need to go fund me though. Wait. Wait. Wait. We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. But it's not just black.

Okay. This time. I need you to be the Santa Claus of racial slurs. I need you to hit everyone. I need you to go house by house. Okay. Hitting everyone. Come down the chimney with care.

And filming it all. Sure. Because then we get, because we need your people to really get engaged. Right. GoFund me and then we do two things. We need two million from there go fund me. He came down the chimney. So wait.

Came down the chimney. Just like a blur. Just like a blur. To go to your child's broom and call him a slur. There's no way. making the pocket. There is no way. This is my idea. This is my idea. Steve, you do it. Then

we get the money. And then this is what we do. We give some of the money to black women in STEM. We give some of the money. We got to get back to the arts. To the arts. Put them in band. We give away 20% of the money. We give some money

to the cave of a dullum, young black boys. Right? The whole nine. And then so, and then we work we pulled one over on you that donated to the go one. We got them. Yeah. If these races got it like this, if that's what they're on. Okay.

This is what you need. You need to be Judas and a white Messiah. Right. You got to be the Keith. You got to be, you are the Keith. We need to sing you in, this is what we've never had. What we've never really had was a white double agent. This is like a martyrdom kind of a thing.

Well, maybe. It might end up that way. A marty thing for my community. Yeah, we've never had, because they, Wait, we've never, wait, well, we've never had a white mole. Not, not really. He wasn't no goddamn mole. John Brown was like, John Brown was walking down the street going, hey, if you against abolition, you're dead.

Right. He was very clear. John Brown was like walking down the street. Hey, how do you feel about slavery? How do you feel about slavery? You like slavery? Boom. You're dead.

Okay. But we've never. really had a mole on our side. They put so many moles in our shit. And there's some more moles out there. And we know who you guys are. We just be like liking your shit anyway to keep you close. But Steve, you could be that mole.

Your first mission. Slurs for a cause. It slurs for a cause. Your first mission is to get this money. Are we still in this idea from Mosh Touret? Okay. But we could cut them in. He got the black guns matter.

It is really like racial slurs question mark, question mark, profit, though. Not question more. We take their money and we use it. Think about how... Steve, think about how mad they're going to be. Right. After they think that you're for the cause.

Right. And then you like, you dancing with Coco Jones at a party that we've gone... And I've got kids through college. You got kids through... Think about how mad they're going to be. You got to do this, Steve. We're not Scott's taught fucking Steve over here. Send him black kiss to college.

Off the N-word. Come on. Why not? What's wrong with that? You don't want to see black children educated? How much we really get? How much did that white woman the mom get? She got 600,000, but she only, she got 600,000, but she only concentrated on black.

I'm saying Steve has to offend everyone. I got to let it sing. Yeah, you like the top of fly. Yeah, Steve, let it sing. I'm talking about, we sending you, we're sending you to Kinsierras. Kinsia. We sent in you. Honestly, at this point, they might be like, hey.

Maybe. You don't know. We sitting in you like, we sitting in like. Jesus. Jesus. Graves is real. Like we're sending you all over the place. I think we can get, and plus with Steve's look, she was a woman, right? Steve, with Steve's look, we can get to $2 million.

That's fair. And you got to complain a lot after. Bro, you got to be like, dog, that took my house. They took my job. They took my kids. They put them on the Manosphere circuit, just on the whole bond of the filth. Joe Rogan, the whole. whole thing.

Yeah. We need it. Alice Jones, right, everywhere. Nick Fuentes, the whole deal. And then we just

pulled a wool from under their eyes. Clay Travis. There you go. Clay Travis. That nigga's terrible. Yeah, but what happens when they like,

this white boy took a black woman to see Selma. They're going to be like he's not for the call. No, no. He's been underrecover for so long. Oh. You don't understand.

They don't understand. They do, they give the money out of rage. They're thinking. They just go, I went and looked. did in Ohio learning, I went and looked at some of the names. These people's names was crazy.

Some of the names was funny, y'all. I bet. Racism was funny. Some of the names was funny. But this is an extended post credits. This is like the post credits. We are not putting this in the, there is no way. That's got to go.

There's no way. It's got to go in. I'm down for the cause. It's like, this is like Steve to a black elementary school. You got to go in. I don't co-sign at anything. And then I try to get it. I'm happy. I'm a brainstorm, and I'm happy.

But that's the problem, though. We've never had a mole. I'm serious. We've never had a mole. I love Steve too much to make him, it doesn't end well for the moles. What if I take this to like a years long extreme where I'm like, I make this my life and then at the end of my like

horse and wellian fortune, but where does old Steve start and then the new Steve begin? No, no, I've always been this way. I'm like Luthin, all right? I've, like, I'm never, can we get to him? I'm never not going to take the wig off. We got to do it.

But I'm telling you guys, I'm telling you guys right now, don't dismiss this idea. This is a good idea at my chat. Let's take it in the talk. It's a good idea that my chat. You're the lutein of the ringer because I'm just like, we can't take your ass together. I need you to think like a leader.

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