The Ringer-Verse - Was ‘Gladiator II’ Mid? Plus, the LEADING MEN Draft | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

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I mean, we're all on the podcast together. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, but where are you? I'm not, I'm all the way across the country, baby. I'm coming in from New York City. In New York. New York City.

New York. We have Jomi the Explaner at dinner on. You've got questions. He's got to answer sometimes. Fair enough. Steve, the architect almond, the builder and tinker of things. Oh, man, Van, he of the receding very soon to be resurgent. Hairline.

Very soon. And he is back. Don't ruin that white hat. The pluck is dead. Coke, baby. Chuck, aka the brunch, hottie, aka. The 24-carric closer. Together, we are known as wait.

The collective is here with us. Alea, S-O-B-Zerneris, Arjuna, De Wacha Ramgapal, also coming in from remote. He's not there either. He's somewhere else. He's talking about he got a headache. Jazz up and go to work.

Oh, my God. And then Jonathan Bishop Kerma. Tell you why he's Bishop. because he's a black X-Man. Okay. You know what? I'll take what I can get, man. Bishop's cool. Bishop's cool.

All right. We need a big one. Together, Paul's. We are known as the Midnight Boys. All right. Fouts on socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok. Joe, we have a question for you.

I'm not going to ask you how socials are going right now. Okay. Okay. At one point, I had about 200,000, 206,000 followers on the old Twitter. Okay. That is now down to 199 out. Yeah.

Because of the blue sky exodus. Everyone is leaving. Yeah. The question for you, Jome Skittle, Yeah. Is will there be ringerverse blue sky? Well, go search and find out if there is. That's a soft, yes, it seems.

Go do the- Don't search. Tell the people, see, this is why I understand about you. Half the time you get on here and you whore yourself for people to actually go to these different places. And then when I actually ask you whether or not we're going to be on Blue Sky, all of a sudden now you're the fucking Riddler. Oh. I watched that movie last night.

Stans up, man. The Batman? Stance up, man. How much time do you have on your hands, Joe? It's better. The Batman's still great. This is something. We're going to mention this.

The Batman was not a good theater experience for me. I'll be honest with you. I did not. But. Fair? Watching it at home, man. Yeah.

Yeah. The Batman. Yeah. I think Penguin has done something for the show, too. I'm going back on vacation, bro. I think Penguin has done something for it, too. But, Jambi, are we on Blue Sky? We're on Blue Sky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know. We got to talk through some specifics about, like, what we're going to be, you know, migrating over there as a whole. But, yeah, we're there. So make sure you follow us. So when we get active on there, you'll be the first people to know. Right. Okay. We're on YouTube, like, comment, subscribe, share. You can watch every Midnight,

in every house of our episode on YouTube.com backslash at Ringaverse. You guys, make sure did you watch this all last week at Spotify. They were talking about video, video, video, Daniel Eck came here, and he was telling everybody about video and how important it is. Program reminders. On Saturday, mid-Vimber continues as Stephen Jelme continue their breakdown of Arcane season two, which people are really enjoying. They're really enjoying.

Van, I, it's not the season two. It's not the season two. People are really enjoying Arcane. Yes. Yeah, man. Can I be honest, there's too much stuff happening right now. Arcane is on the list. I need you to carve out some time.

Guys, guys, I still haven't finished the penguin or Agatha, all right? And the list is getting longer and longer. First and foremost, let's be honest. You're not going to finish out of it. You don't want to finish. Whoa, I got a whole month. Don't do this. I got a whole month.

Midnight Mulligans. Have some faith. All right, okay. Carve out time for Arcane. Arcane is special. On Tuesday, the House of R deep dives, Dune Prophecy, which it seems that nobody likes.

It's a little dry. It's a little dry. It seems like nobody likes. Like the desert of Iraqis. A little dry. Okay. And now I haven't watched it yet. Has anybody tried doing prophecy

here in the Midnight Boys? I have seen the pilot. We can give it some time to get cooking, for sure. I don't really think you need to hop on it right now. But give it some time. You don't need to. Oh, Steve. Hop on it right now.

Jesus Christ. I was going to let it go. What's going on? Nobody was going to let it go. I was something we just let that wood go. Like just breeze by. That's crazy. Oh, by the way, when we're doing midnight grievances,

I want to have a conversation about what bits should stay and what bits should go. Because there are some bits that we haven't gone back to. Like, we desperately need transgressions right now. Yeah, we have been doing transgressions. But I want to know. what the audience thinks about since Charles has been gone Jomi's new leader has taken control

of America Don't do that. Don't do that. Maga Jomey. Are we allowed to have transatlantic slave points under the new Trump regime? You got to discuss. That's why I'm talking Like it shit, to be honest with you,

Transatlantic land slave points, they might be a good thing now. Right. Steve, so Steve, Steve's like a billionaire of the transatlantic slave points. Wow. Just notice this. I said transatlantic slave points might be a good thing now. And Steve said, right.

So everybody that always is like, you guys mess with Steve too much. Steve sticks his dick in the bear trap all the time. I'm going to be honest. We're going to check our phones and we all going to get a New York Times update that Steve is on. cabinet. Like, it is like, it is going to happen. What would Steve be? What would Steve be? What would Steve be? Well, Steve would be the secretary of what? Secretary of holding it down.

That doesn't actually exist. That's terrible. Well, we're like, Steve could be the civil rights czar. I was going to say the secretary, you know? Sactivist secretary. They would make him. New nickname alert. Stavis. Steve is the Trump's cabinet.

Secretary of activist. The secretary of activist is funny. They make you no longer the, uh, the, the, The architect and builder of things, he's the activist secretary. I feel like they would think of Trump's regime. The secretary of podcast and he just go out like to every single, every single white male and put a microphone in their hand.

I'd be like, I'm just asking the question. Just go. Just do you think. Yeah, we need to think about it. Steve needs a job in this new cabinet. We're leaning on you, Steve. We need to, you know. I'm putting a good word.

Turn the world over to you guys. Okay, on today's show. Yeah, why didn't you lead into that? We're giving you guys two things. Reactions to the blockbuster of the fall, Gladiator 2. A movie, we're going right into the middle of the arena to talk about Gladiator, Denzel, Mascow, Pedro, Quinn. Everybody's together, and they're making a movie with Reliator 2. It's a sequel to Gladiator.

Something that everybody was wondering when that was going to happen. Yeah. And then we're going directly into a draft. Charles, tell him what the draft is. Oh, we're doing the leading men draft. And we came up with this idea, honestly, because we have to apologize. Tom Holland was going through a fallow period before he was in a Christopher Nolan. He got cast in Christopher Nolan's next movie.

He heard you. We got to an argument kind of about who's a leading man. We're the greatest leading men of all time. so we're going to do a whole draft to argue it out. Now before we get into that, we're going to give you Gladiator, and we also have to tell you guys this. Another reason why we're doing this, Gladiator is a breeding ground for leading men.

You got in this movie, Paul Meskow, who is like hoping to be or lead a new era of Hollywood leading men. It's a new era of leading men. The old movie is the movie that made a box office megastar out of Russell Crowe. And in this film as well, you have one of the hottest actors in Hollywood right now, Pedro Pascal. And I would say a guy who's experiencing career relevance in a way that is really inspiring. It seems like this is the era of Denzel Washington getting his flower. So this is a leading man.

We're going to get into it. Denzel got a show. Like what's happening in this movie, Denzel was not very gracious. I will just say that. Monefucking stealing whole movies from people. Okay. We'll talk about it.

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Chuck, take it away. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for Gladiator 2, directed by Ridley Scott. Streamplayed by David Scarpa. Story by Peter Craig and Scarpa. Starring Paul Meskow, Denzel, Pedro Pascal, Connie Nelson, and Joseph Quinn. set 16 years after the events of the first gladiator,

Lucius, aka Anno, aka the son of Maximus and Lucela, is a soldier in Numidia. His mother helped him escape to Africa as a child to avoid being killed in Rome. In hiding, Lucius has forsaken his name and his place as a Roman prince. When General Acacius attacks Numidia, Anno's wife is killed and he's enslaved. Anos swore's vengeance on Rome and Acacius. Macronis, a shrewd operator and gladiator-propeeteer,

buys Ano and promises that if he performs well in the Colosseum, he'll make sure he gets a chance to fight Acacius. Anno wins the support of the Roman people throughout the games and builds allies. Meanwhile, Acacius and Lucilla try to overthrow Emperor Gaeta in Carcala, but are unsuccessful due to McCranes and his scheming, honor realizes, damn, these names are so fucking hard. Anna realizes Acacius isn't his enemy, and at the behest of his mother accepts his role as the Prince of Rome.

The movie then leads to a standoff between Ano and Macrinus and the Prince of Rome is victorious. That has been your Midnight Manifest, Vladia. All right, guys. I don't think I've ever been interested in what we would say about a movie more. The three of us saw this movie together. Yes. Yeah, we did.

When Clapgate happened. Charles, you didn't hear about this. That was Venom, actually. That was Venom. Oh, was it Venom? Yeah, it's been a long year. Long, yeah. We'll say it wasn't much.

I wasn't much clapping in this movie. Yeah, but Charles, you just recently saw it last night, so it's fresh on your mind. What are your thoughts about Gladiator? I'm interested to hear, hey, what's up? I'm interested to hear what you think. So Gladiator is one of my favorite movies of all time. And I say that knowing, like, Gladiator isn't like this prestige, like,

just great, like, it's great because it is super watchable. Russell Crow is phenomenal. The writing is so iconic. the dialogue is so iconic. And when I sat down, it took me about 30 minutes to be like, I would like this movie so much more if it wasn't called Gladiator 2.

I think the sum of the parts, whether it is Denzel, whether it's some of the set pieces, are very entertaining. But it falls so short of what makes the first Gladiator good. And I think that this movie is so lopsided where Paul Muskell,

I have a lot of chips on him. I think he is an amazing phenomenal actor. He's one of my favorite new actors in a long time. AfterSun is amazing. Denzel, what he does in this movie is so egregious in terms of like how good he is, how charismatic, how magnetic, that it almost kind of breaks the movie in half, I think. Because what the movie is trading on is we're going to show you that Paul Mescal is a movie star. and when you leave at the end of it, you're like, oh no, Denzel is still a movie star

and everybody else in this movie is a distant, distant, distant, second, third, fourth. So, complicated. What did you got, like, coming out of the theater, what did you guys think of? Gladier to two. Well, so I had literally, like,

just seen the first one before I went to see the second one. I had never seen the first one. Literally, he puts his hands through the wheat. I'm in the, I go to the theater. I'm watching the second one, right? And Russell Crow, I've never been like a big fan

like I never like understood what it was that y'all was rocking with I understood it there yes I understand now I understand now that man was cooking my name is Maxim I was like yeah yeah you let's let's go right so I'm coming to theater

I'm like can we get some semblance of that can we get like the thing with Maximus was the honor the gravitas that he held throughout the film just kept you engaged and it's not there. It's there for Denzel, who's the bad guy. And you kind of, you're not really, I found much room for Denzel at some points of the movie.

I was kind of like, it's got the thing going. Really, really quick, can I tell you the funniest thing that happened in my movie theater? Is at the end of the movie, there was like one cheer when basically Paul Muscal wins, and everybody was dead silent because everybody was super bummed out that Denzo died. died. Like, everybody was just like, we're not shit. Like, people are like, no. Like, Denzel is a highlight. The action is a highlight. But, like,

to your entire point, the sum of its parts doesn't work. There are moments and there are people that are really, really good in this movie. But as a whole, especially being named gladiator two, it doesn't totally work. I can't think of a movie more that chooses to

suffer in the shadow of its predecessor more willingly than this movie. It is so self-referential and so propped up on how great of a movie the first Gladiator was that it feels borderline satirical

every time it mentions Maximus or anything that has to do with that prior film because I keep finding itself being detracted from and undercut at every turn. Even with Denzel like doing his thing, I don't think anybody

is really giving that much of a convincing or like star performing turn and like to think of Gladiator as the kind of like crucible that birthed Joaquin Phoenix and Russell Crow for us

to have the hottest stars in Hollywood at the time and Denzel Washington kind of ushered this into a more self-serious and self-referential place I think doesn't really do it any favors because we've still got a dead wife.

We've still got to do the proving grounds and impress some of the gladiator pimps. We've still got to meet the pompous rich people. It's the same movie. It's the same movie. Done in comparison to the first, entirely

poorly. And I can say that because it refers to the first one all the goddamn time. You didn't like all the strength and honor? That didn't move you? Oh my God. It was one too many times when Paul Mescal was like kneeling down and doing the state. I'm like, all right, man.

He literally When he literally puts the armor up. He cosplayed his dad. It's literally like if somebody's like, do you want to watch Bronny James do the chalk toss? I'm like, no, no. The movie is astonishingly mediocre. Like, astonishingly mediocre.

Whoa, don't be that. It's fine. It's not that. But it is, it's kind of a middle. Yeah. I didn't say it's bad. I didn't say it's bad. Didn't say it's bad.

I said it's astonishingly mediocre, meaning this confluence of talent coming together to make something that's this inconsequential is pretty amazing. It's funny that you say Bronny James because I was thinking about that. This movie kind of is Bronny James. It is.

It exists only because its father was so great and on its own, it just doesn't have it. I'm just being honest with you. I mean, the reality is this. It's like, this is the rare sequel that, to me, makes the first movie less good. Really? Oh.

Let me tell you why. Yeah. Gladiator is still a fantastic movie, but this being an extension of Gladiator, to me, cheapens the story of the first movie a little bit. Right. Like it, okay, so in the first movie, he was supposed to do all of this for Rome, Comedus dies. Rome is fucked up again.

We know historically Marcus Aurelius was the last great emperor of Rome. So Rome has really no future. The five good Roman emperors, great Roman emperors, he's the last one. These two twin bastards are now running Rome. They're fucked. They're worse than Comedus. They were so funny in this movie.

They were so funny. what we're fighting for. We have no idea why everything is happening. The likelihood of another gladiator becoming the symbol of ronk is so low. Yeah, and yet again, here we are. All roads lead to this.

You know what I'm saying? It's like it's the whole thing. And when you're sitting down watching the movie, it's not like the movie is like a terrible two hours in the theater or are you going to come away. Because the talent around it is too good, but you just ask the question of why. And the why is just because somebody wanted to. That's the only reason why this movie is just because somebody wanted to.

Can I ask this as well? When I was sitting there, I was like, I feel like this movie does not actually know why we like the first Gladiator. It's like, if Top Gun Maverick was like, we actually don't need Tom Cruise, we can just have Glenn Powell be the Tom Cruise figure. And you're like, no,

I want to see Tom Cruise and, like, I think something like Creed works because it's like, even though it's a legacy sequel, Creed is like, no, we still need Sylvester Salone somewhere in here because he's Rocky. And Gladiator, I'm like,

Paul Muscal is not, he's not at the point yet where I think he can carry this type of movie. Because even in the beginning, when he's making that speech to all the soldiers, you were so bad. The speeches are so not good. It had no,

Ju- like he didn't have that robatose. Like he was getting swallowed whole and he doesn't have that thing that to your point, Jomey, when you see Russell Crow in Gladiator, I'm like I run through a brick wall for that dude. He's inspirational. He's like a rabid dog. I'm like, I would not want to be in a coliseum with him.

With Paul Meskow, I'm like, bro, I don't, I can't buy. I don't fear you. I don't, I don't respect you. And the reason why is because it's not forced. When we were talking about, you know, all of these, the first movie, wasn't forced. The first movie was at the right time of Ridley Scott's career. It was

at the right time in Russell Crowe's career. It was at the perfect time at Walking Phoenix's career. Like the first movie is enforced. You're not shoehorning somebody in there who's not ready for a star moment. Russell Crow had been around for a little while. He had been in movies where he could show that he could go head to head with heavy weights and that he had the thing that, you know, you need to carry a movie that big. Paul Meskow hasn't done that. It's like, oh my God, we're going to make a Gladiator movie, who we're going to put in the movie to be the lead. Okay, this guy, he's not quite there yet.

Denzel coming back, it's cool to see Denzel, like, going off and doing this. But even that, it seems like more of a marketing ploy to get you to watch the movie than a point, like, then actual coming from real creativity and, like, real juice. I will say that, like, I don't disagree with you, except for the fact that Denzel was kind of in his bag. in this movie? Um, like he's not doing...

But this is one of his better performances. It's just that everybody else... Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of lacking so much charisma. He elevates it. No, he doesn't actually. No, he does.

He stands like two heads above everybody and is just in control of everything when he's there. But I still feel like it's a floor razor, though. No, I think it's actually a disservice to the movie. It is. Where it's like when Denzel is not on screen, I keep going, I wonder what Danzel is up to. And even Pedro Pascal,

Pedro Pascal is a talented actor. Giving us nothing here. Like, just nothing. There's nothing for him to work. That's what I heard of do. There's no, it, it, it makes no, there's nothing there. You guys, there's no story here. There's no reason to tell the story.

Yeah. There's nothing. You're trying to create whatever. The story of the first gladiator is a perfect, I'll tell you something else. Go back and think about the first gladiator. You don't even remember the action that much. I mean, it's an action movie that first gladiator. This war scene is amazing.

But the reality is that, like, that movie doesn't become about the action. It becomes about somebody talking their shit and refusing to die while this brat rules a kingdom. Yeah. This movie is giving you sharks. And it's almost like all the surprise. Hold on. The CGI baboons were hilarious. Oh, my God.

I was dying. That's not a real animal. That's never existed in history of time. I was like, all right, Ridley. Come on, bro. Like, come on. I'm proud of the CGI monkeys. The action was pretty good, though.

The action was good. Like, when he's, like, diving against a rhino. Like, okay, cool. I love that opening, like, a naval siege on that village. That was cool. Because here's the thing. I need. That was good.

Yeah. Paul Miscout, like, once again, he is a great actor. He's, I like him more than Timothy Shalameh. Dog, he's too much of an internal, subtle actor. He's very, like, intense in his face. Yeah, so when he's looking across from a CGI monkey, I'm like, oh, you haven't done this enough yet. He doesn't have the rap. So when he's like, I was like, what am I?

Well, we never put Russell Crow in front of a CGI monkey to be fair. We should. Let's see what happens. Although that did give us the scene afterwards where he goes into the gladiator mess hall and they just start doing the monkey thing. That was funny. That was funny. That was funny.

You know, so we want to give a shout out. Something I didn't know about the movie. My friend is in this movie. My friend, Cheedy. Oh, shout out. Oh, shout out. Cheaty. Yeah, Cheedy is one of the tall dudes.

He's a tall black gladi. the guy, super tall. Back in the day, man, me and Chitty were on the same league basketball team. You throw it up to Chiti, Chiti, go, boom! He's like, he's like West African, like Jomey. Hey, shut up. You know, they explosion, you know, explode.

Oh, right. I was glad to see that he was in the movie. I was glad to see that, look, to see movies being made at the scale is fun. It's fun to see movies being made at the scale. I love to see the big Hollywood movie, particularly late in the year, all of that stuff is fun.

I'm not, but man, bro, the one thing that this movie wasn't supposed to feel like is the thing that it does feel like and it feels like a money grab. It really, really does. Can I tell you all? Go ahead.

I was going to say about money grab. Did you guys feel like this at the end of the movie? There's a point where Denzel has to fight Paul Mescal and they choreograph it so Denzel gets, a couple moves in. And by the end of it,

I was just like, this feels like Mike Tyson's like. Like, it literally feels like a money grab where I'm like, oh man. Like, because like,

I'm like the way Denzel's moving. You can't fight that much in that big of a gown. Coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb. Yeah, I was just like, come on, bro. And then when Paul Mescal like kills Denzel,

I'm like, dog, now I hate Paul because he killed my nigga Denzel. Like it felt like, to your point, a money grab where I'm like, people are going to hate me. Denzel did a great job in this movie.

He's phenomenal. He's the best part of this movie. There was a point where I was like, this isn't the best Denzel performance. No. And it almost kind of feels like... Does it make you feel like he even kind of tried? Whoa, whoa, the thing with Denzel,

that's what I'm saying is like a floor razor, right? Yeah, no, that's kind of like... His low effort is better than 90% of everybody. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's going to, when he comes to the gym, he's going to give you 100% every single day, no matter what's going on, right? Win and losing whatever, whatever movie you're in.

Kind of like Chris Paul now, age, you know, 100. 10, year 20 or whatever. Every single night he's going to come out. He's not giving you 20, 10, and three steals anymore, but he can still give you like 14, 22 on like a great day. No, that's basically what was doing that.

My question is, is this the beginning of Denzel's Anthony Hopkins era? Like, just a bad thing? I mean, what do you got to, what else you got to accomplish? No, no. What Denzel is right now is like a really special place in his career. Okay. To me, I think that for a long time,

particularly early on, Denzel was a little underrated. Yeah. Interesting. I mean, I think that Denzel was a little underrated. I think that we would talk about the biggest stars in the world, and we wouldn't talk about Denzel Washington. I think that's changed in the last, I don't know, maybe 10 years. You know, you've seen different things, you know, the Equalizer movies and all of that stuff.

It's changing. But now, I think, he's as powerful as he's ever been to me. He's as confident as he's ever been. He's become a cultural institution. And this movie is kind of a celebration of that. And I think that's awesome. I do think that's amazing.

No, I think that's awesome. But I also think what's funny is I feel like Denzel is kind of getting the treatment that Cruz got after Maverick, where there was such a long period in Hollywood, where I feel like those movie stars really did not know their place in the ecosystem during kind of like the superhero

IP boom and now that that stuff is a little bit on the down swing I feel like that's the public is kind of like but we're not making these anymore we have to like but it's also crazy because the other half of this cast is half of the Fantastic Four

Paul Meskell the hottest actor right now and like it like all like that's the new generation of quote unquote leading men of the superhero era and IP chasing. And it's in this thing where like you have this gold-plated movie star ushering down an IP continuation of a legacy sequel with the rest of these

interesting contingents of hot Hollywood actors that are, like you said, doing this trend. Denzel's the only movie star in this movie right now. That's what I'm saying. That he's the gold-plated standard for all that. I mean, in terms of like the interesting thing about, like the IP era is that it does a tremendous

amount for your bank account, but nothing for your bankability. Your bank account goes crazy, right? You get the security of being able to do other smaller movies and stuff like that. But nobody goes to see you in your next movie

because they saw you as Spider-Man or Captain America or nothing else. I'm going to throw... I'm going to throw Pedro Pascal some bail. I don't think they gave them a ton to do. True, but he's not a movie star. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe not yet.

He's a big, no, he's a big deal. He's a big, huge deal. Yeah. A gigantic fucking deal. He's one of the hottest actors at this point around. He's not a movie star yet. Yeah.

Joseph Quinn, uh, give him some time. He made some choices. He made some choices. You know? Do you think this movie is, here's the thing,

not better. I think Denzel, without Denzel, this movie is a nothing movie. Brother, it's a flop. But do you? But do you think that we would be kinder to this movie if it was not so lopsided in terms of like Denzel is actually illuminating how much farther his co-stars have to go? Yeah.

And I was like watching the movie, I was just like, oh, that's what I met where I was just like, I love seeing him in this space. But if I'm the director, I'm like, I got to pull Denzel to the side. I'd be like, hey, yo, man. Stop growing crazy. You got to like, you are suffocating everyone. Because a film like that, a film like this has to have. that type of performance. The first movie is completely oriented around Maximus. Who are you? I am gladiated. No, turn around and face your emperor. I am Maximus Decimus Meridian. Father to

it. And when you're in the theater and that moment happens, you're like, oh, my God. Yeah. What happens now? Jesus. He like, because you don't think that he's that type of a G. Like, you don't think he's going to like, what happens now? That hyper. magnetic. The old Gladiator movie is really one of the last bastions of the movie star era of films where you take somebody like that

and you put a whole mythos around them and they bring you home. This movie either we're coming to the movie for sharks or we're coming to the movie for I mean look. Gladiator Fast and Furious. It has to have that guy

who's gladiator. And unfortunately it was Denzel Washington and that Paul Mascal. Can I also ask just like writing wise? Did this movie feel a little off where it's like, here's the thing. The original gladiator is not like. It's a terrible script. It's a bad script.

It's a nothing burger where I was just like the original gladiator. I'm not saying it's Citizen Kane, but like it's a well written movie. The structure, yeah. The structure, the speeches. There is not one speech that Paul Biscow has in this. Not a single one. It's too, it's two fault, I think. The writing also, but just didn't have it at the end when he's given the speech.

It's about surviving and we survive. I mean, think about it. What? The speech from Gladiator, the speech from Independence Day from the president, even the, it just Elba in Pacific Rim. You know, to the apocalypse. Brother, that gets you hype. They get you going. Set that clock.

I'm watching the, I'm in the theater. I'm like, all right, bro, get to the fights. Even at the end when he wins and he's given the, like, final speech, I'm like, this is supposed to hit. Man. in a different way. So just on the script here, and this, once again,

this is not to call anybody out. The screenwriter here is a gentleman by the name of David Scarpa. David Scarpa has written one, two, three, four, five movies. These are the movies. The last castle, the day the earth stood still, all the money in the world,

Napoleon, and Gladiator 2. So all the money in the world, obviously really Scott movie about the Getty family kidnapping. Napoleon universally reviled movie. Like, universally reviled movie.

Didn't BTA have to come in and do rewrites on Napoleon? Like, legitimately just fucking, like, people just punted on the idea of the Napoleon movie. Supposed to be a big deal when it came out. Yeah, yeah, we were gassed up for that.

Who's we? Gone. I was like to see Napoleon. So, um, The Day the Earth Stood Still movie is a cool movie to me because I like to see kind of emotionless alien man, Keanu Reeves. It's not very good. I mean, the script here is not very good. It's a jumbling of things on script, on screen that then you're supposed to work out at the end.

But this is obviously something that really Scott is into at this point in his career. Can I ask a question? At the end of this film, did you think that we were going to see a forced ghost, Russell Crow? Oh, my God. It was, here's a thing. Were we getting close? I was like, once they did the whole Paul Mescal is dead, he's having a dream shit. And then the sky is doing that, like, cycle thing.

What's the pro comes in here this bitch? I'm a leave. What does that mean? Like, you know, hey, what's up, Pops? What's going on, man? It's been a minute. I could have used you back here. You know what I'm saying?

I killed him so. I mean, it would have, does it really matter at the end of the movie? Because, like, it already kind of sucked anyway. So if you like. It's the mere thought that I actually thought that it could go there. I mean, the movie had sharks of the Coliseum, anything was possible. No, I thought there were real sharks in the Coliseum, weren't there?

They did flood it with water. That was true. I'm not really worried about historic. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it's not really. I know how to flood it. Well, I learned that that night, actually. Yeah.

But I didn't realize that they could transport sharks. I didn't know that either. I don't know if that's accurate. Honestly, we have a lot of scientists and historians. Guys, hit us up on socials if there were real sharks. Guys, guys, it's okay, man. They was out there fighting in the gladiator pits. don't need the historical accuracy in my

It was cool. It was cool. My last I was just like, I don't know if I would do this, Denzel. When the emperor is like, he's like, all right, my regent, number one is the monkey. And number two is Danzel. I'm like, hey, Denzel, you got to be number. Yeah, but he was out of, he was out of his mind on syphilis. No, yeah, he. That's what he had.

Yeah. I had some old shit moments when Denzel just cuts the throat of one of the brothers. I'm like, God damn. Like I was, you know, the movie has some oh shit moments. There's some stuff in the movie that's a little like whatever. The twin emperors were the opposite of compelling in any way. That was Looney Tunes to make. That was just nuts.

The scene and the first fight scene in the, they have that little party when they get to the city with Denzel and the emperors. Oh, and they just do a fight in front of. right there. Oh, yeah. That's a good fight. That's a good fight. That's a good fight. The action pieces in this aren't bad.

I would say they're pretty good, honestly. I enjoyed watching them fight. The movie is, when I say it's astonishingly mediocre, it's astonishingly mediocre because if you put right now, Kevin Durant, well, let's not use the old niggas. If you put right now, Yokic, Tatum, I don't know, fucking the way Donovan Mitchell is playing right now. If you put all of those types of guys on the same team and they want 40 games, hell, no.

Like you would say if they want 45 games, let's say 45, they're 80 playing team, you would be like, wow, it's impressive how unsuccessful that was. Yeah, not if they're getting coached by Garvin Ham. Not that it was just like they whack, but it's impressive how unsuccessful they ended up being. I'll say something else. Last thing. Look. We, y'all, I'm going to say this one.

We have got to stop dig riding, you guys. Like, we, it, it, I'm, look, I'm, just listen. I'm going to take some responsibility. I'm going to make a proclamation. Oh, wow. Okay. I love superhero content. Yes.

I love it. There are times where I tend to judge it, I feel like, maybe a little bit too softly. And that time has got to be over now. It's got to be over just because I think now it's time to really, we're getting into an era of dick riding that's toxic. You know, I came out, Soup's the fucking Soup's guy, I went on here and said,

this is one of the best movies of all times. No, sir. And that's not to diss the Soup's guy. It goes up there, and I post, that's a fucking lie. And I'm sorry, guys, it is a fucking lie.

It's a fucking lie that this is one of the greatest movies ever made. And people got mad that I said that. Like, Van, no. If you're being for real, if you're not dick riding, Ridley Scott or Denzel Washington or whatever, this shit is just okay, man.

And maybe not even that. And that's okay. It's fine. We've got to stop the dick riding now. And I'll hold myself a question. I am 100% on board. Of course. It's a new era.

No, no, no. But you just let you know something. You're not going to like this. Hating is a form of dick riding. Oh, that's actually that. Yes, that's true. That's very true. That's very true.

Here's the thing. We'll see, keep that same energy around midnight mulligans because for years now, I've been clear. Y'all be coming down at the end of the year

because you're dick riding too much. I keep, I maintain. I maintain throughout the year. Do we have to have a conversation about Ridley Scott? Oh, that conversation has already been had.

It's cooked? I think he still knows how to direct a movie. I don't know. I mean, he's really fucking Scott like you can't. No, he's an OVD. His legacy is secure, I would say.

But, the last couple of movies have not been great. I mean, we can like... Let's look at the last couple of movies. Let's look at the last couple of movies. Robin Hood, Prometheus, the counselor, Exodus, gods and kings,

the Martian, Alien Covenant, all the money in the world, the last duel, House of Gucci, Napoleon, and Gladiator 2. Some of those are good. Martian is good. Fantastic. The Martian Covenant I think is all right.

I don't mind Prometheus. I don't like it when it gets into the big thing. I don't mind how Saguichi. Not good. House of Gucci was fine. He directed the shit out of all those. He still knows how to direct. He still knows how to direct.

He's got soft. So then why does this movie feel so empty and hollow? A tough, a not great script. There was nothing to say. He had nothing to say. They were just like, they saw all these legacy sequels and they're like, let's do Gladiator two. And he's probably like, all right.

The chat cleared. It's fine. It happens. But if you look at really, if you look at Ridley, Scott overall. No, he's bad or bad. One of the greatest

we ever seen. He is, but at the same time, he's inconsistent. Sure. I mean, if you, I mean, if you look at the movies,

you, he takes some chances and sometimes he's scattered-brained in, he's a volume shooter for sure. He's a scatter shot, should I say,

and the way these, I mean, you have, you know, matchstick man and all those movies, but then you have Robin Hood in there, you have the counselor in there. You have some aliens and Blade Runner.

But you do alien, Blade Runner. Dellauluis, Gladiator. I mean, that's before Those are fucking fantastic movies. You know what I mean? Like,

you got to give it to them. All right. So before we get into leading men draft, where are we feeling with the Midnight Muter? On Gladiator, too.

Well, you've been gone a while, man. You said a six? Yeah. Where are you at? I think I'm going to give a light seven.

It's a six for me. It's a six. I think I want to give it a six, but I think I'm gonna Denzel's performance. He's out acting everybody. I really enjoyed it. I'm gonna give it a seven.

I'm gonna get a seven just off that strength. A six for the movie. A seven for Denzel. Can't fucking argue with it. All right. We're ready for the leading man draft? I mean, we're ready. Been ready.

It's some fun, man. What are you fun? Let's do it. All right. It's time for the leading men draft. Spoiler warning for all leading man and leading man adjacent movies. Yeah.

The rules of stuff, all of film. Of the drafts are simple. We got six categories, action, comedy, Oscar, heartthrob, black. It's superhero. Black is crazy. Black is crazy. I think it's just the way you said it, not unceremoned. That's appalled.

All right. And Oscar, the only one we have to be very clear, we had a conversation about this. Oscar means you won best actor. Yes. Not nominated. You had to have one. Best lead actor. Yes.

Not supportive. Because it's the leading man. Supporting man. Exactly. Supporting man draft would be fun. All right. Also, living or dead. This can be any leading man.

As always, we go in snake draft order. Before we get the order, let's be clear. What do we mean by leading man before we get into an argument? Van, because you are not only the oldest of us, but you have seen way more leading men across your life. What does it mean to you? somebody who can just be the dramatic or who can be the driving force of a movie. It doesn't matter how big the movie is, right?

It doesn't matter what. They're all different types of leading men. They're leading men if you have a $30 million movie. They're leading men if you have $100 million movie. They're leading men who can open up a film that a studio is banking on. their leading men that people want to see for small and more intimate movies. But if you can be the guy

seen in, seen out, that drives the movie, you are the leading man. So can I ask this question? When I was like prepping for this, someone I was thinking about is like, to me, Morgan Freeman isn't a leading man, even though he is one of our greatest actors.

Facts. Morgan Freeman is very rarely the guy at the top of the bar. Of the bill. at the top of the poster. So then where does someone, we might be stepping on it, where does someone like Samuel L. Jackson? Because he is a leading man,

but I would argue his best roles are supportive. You don't really go to see a movie because Samuel L. Jackson is the star of a movie. You might go to see it because he's in the movie. Yeah. But at this point, he's such a well-respected actor that his name and his association to any person,

project like upgrades or elevates that project in and of itself. But I wouldn't say that there's too many examples of Samuel L. Jackson being a really successful leading man in films. He's had some movies where he's the lead. He's had a lot of movies where he's the lead, but not too many where he's like a hyper successful leading guy, number one guy. Yeah. All right.

So what are, what's the order of this draft? Alleya, lock us in. The order is Van, then Jomi, then Charles, and then Steve. Great. All right. Got it. Right where I need to be. Okay.

Okay. So, uh, okay, so my number one pick is going to be an Oscar. Okay. Okay. And I'm going to take who I think is the most versatile leading man of all time. Okay. This guy has everything you need in a leading man. He has the hardware in terms of being a recognized actor.

He has the box office. And he has a litany of roles and rememberable characters that very few actors can come close to. Simply at a point, the most beloved face in America, Tom Hanks. That's going to be my first. Wait, who did you make? Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. He had to.

I'm taking it an Oscar. Two back-to-back Oscars. Philadelphia, El Foris Gump. I'm taking Tom Hanks. It's funny that you put Tom Hanks in Oscar because there were like two other categories, I feel like you could have gone with it. You could, yeah.

Like, that's how versatile he is. Yeah. Yep. You could have gone comedy. You could have gone black. Yep. He's from Oakland. He is from Oakland.

But yeah, Tom Hanks. only thing that Tom Hanks is missing as a leading man to me is he really never got into the big time action roles. Although you could say saving Private Ryan is a very action-adjacent movie, whatever, whatever. But that's kind of the only

thing that he never really got into. Okay. I already know who you're picking. I'm not. I'm zagging. Okay. I'm sagging because I like I need

like I need, like I want to pick him with every bone in my body. But I feel like if I, if, like there are other options I think also work, but I'm trying to be competitive. I'm trying to win. And I'm going with in

in Oscar I'm taking Leo to Caprio. There you go. Oh, you sold. This is, this is, wow. Wait, so defend this. You sold. I like Leo. I like Leo. He was, he's, I think he's in the top five, top ten of He has one Oscar.

Yeah, but in Oscar is crazy. I mean, like, there are options, I feel like, but, like, I've got other folks in other categories. I think, like, play better. But Leo DiCaprio is, you know, for a while was the guy. Look, lady. Actually, only for one was he the guy. For Titanic?

Why are you hitting on Leo, bro? I'm not hitting on Leo. I'm just like, I don't put him in Oscar just yet. He's not. I put him in a couple. Oscar's crazy. Oh, wait. He won an Oscar.

He did. And for that reason, like, he is allowed. That's what I'm putting in the Oscar. If we're talking about great is Oscar winners of all time. No, I'm definitely gaming it. Right. I'm definitely gaming it. But Leo DiCaprio as like one of the, I mean, how many years were like, oh, this is

Leo's time, he's going to get this Oscar and he didn't get it? Not that he didn't deserve it. Sure. We weren't like, we were like, for how many years were like, there was a huge run of big movies that he was in that were like, oh, he's a shoe in this year. Or like he might get, or like he's a shoe in. at least neck and neck with so and so. And he didn't win it.

And then he went it for the Revenant. Is that the movie should have won of it? Probably not. But he finally got it. He should have got it for, um, Aviator. Uh, or no, I'm talking about, Aviator.

Once about it. What's about it? You loved Aviator? Yeah. All right. This guy. I'm just like the movie. Yeah.

Aviator's, I don't mind Aidiator, but I'm saying he probably should have won it for once upon a time. No, he shouldn't have. Really? No. No. I mean, the Revenant to me is not Leo's best role.

It's not. It's not. honest with you, I don't think that Leo has a role to where, I mean, Tom Hardy out acted, Leo and I don't think Leo has a role. I don't know what that year was. I think Wolf of Wall Street would have gotten him one. The 2014, but I don't know if Leo has a role

while I'm like, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, he was robbed. I don't know if he has one while. I agree with this, and Leo is one of my favorite actors. Really? He's one of my favorite actors, but he's the type of movie star that I feel like is always good, but is never, there's always a supporting actor

who kind of shows him. Right. Which is fine. He was nominated in 2013 for Wolf of Wall Street for 2007 for Blood Diamond for the Aviator for once upon a time in Hollywood and supporting in Gilbert Grape. Yeah, man.

Supporting in Gilbert Grape. It's a great. I love that. It's a great movie. Has it aged well? Probably not. Huh? Has what's getting, what's eating Gilbert grape? I watched that as a kid. It ages worse when you watch Chopper Thunder. Oh, well.

Okay, let's move the fuck. All right. By the way. Like Trump's America. All right, I can't believe that this man is like, is the third overall pick. I let him go. Action, you got to go, Tom Cruise.

Like, what you think of movie action? Oh, that's good. That's good. Here's the thing. When you think of movies. I can't believe that Tom Cruise failed a third. That's crazy. That's why.

That's a shoe win for. Like it's insane. When we think of like movie star in the dictionary, it would be Tom Cruise's photo. Right. Like what I love about Tom Cruise is he's not, he never needs to be the greatest dramatic actor, but he has the thing that is like you go to the movies for, which is whenever he is on screen, my eyes looking at him. I want to see what he's doing. He has an energy. He raises everyone.

He can do like he can do the fucking. fucking rom-coms, but also the action, but also just like he can do everything. Well, Tom Cruise is. Actually, can't be honest with you? Not a great rom-com guy. Jerry McGuire? Yeah, Jerry McGuire. He's got one.

Not a rom-com. It's a sports movie? Yeah. Wait, it's on the bubble of a rom-com. He's, he's, he's, he's, Jerry McGuire is a movie star's rom-com type of movie. Yeah. It's really more of a guy. facing an existential crisis.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a down to earth's wrong. It's kind of the second part of it. The rom-com where it's him and another lady and it's the whole thing is about their relationship is the, um, that's, he's too big of a star. And it would feel awkward. What's, wait, what's Tom Cruise's best? He has a problem not dominating the screen, you know?

What's Tom Cruise's best role? It's Ethan Hunt. Ethan Hunt? That's what to me. No. No. Listen, listen, listen. I think about, I think...

Ethan, are you good men, probably? Probably, but the thing, the thing about me is, nigger, you put in any mission possible. Except for the second one. Are y'all ignoring Minority Report? Probably. It's a good movie. Great movie.

Well, but see, the color, I mean, he was good in the color of money. I don't think it was his best role, though. Maverick is probably the one on the old bitch. He has a lot of early stuff where he's really good in. Yeah. The first, the... Risky business? The first Maverick, the first top gun, is a culture-defining role.

Yeah. Yeah. It is a, but then a few good men, you have, I mean, my favorite rover of his is still Jerry McGuire. That's still the, that's the, actually one of my, my second favorite role, what's the fucking Michael Mann movie with Jamie Fox? A collateral. Oh, he's amazing.

He's amazing. Vittier, he's good as Vicki. He's good as Vicki. That's, man. When you look at Rolls, that's perfect. Oh, it's so far. that one. Amazing.

He's cooking to that. That might be it. That might be the best one. Shit. So good as Vince in that one, bro. All right. Steve, you got to.

Steve, what you're at? I'm picking because of the list of my rosters that are like the thinnest that I think need to go. Um, so for me in action starts since you took Tom Cruise, I'm going to have to go with Keanu Reeves. I, yeah. There's actually there's another. There's two other ones in two other ones. Keanu's got a generational defining run for my generation of just. like it's point break

Matrix films John Wick speed like that's that's a legacy locked in John Reeves first off the board in Action Star No no no second second He took Tom Cruise

He took Tom Cruise Okay cool You could because you have taken Keanu and heartthrob as well I have I have my own picking heartthrob Yeah And I don't know if I'm gonna go with him for that

You got you got one Okay So for, I think I'm going to go, I think in black category, I'm going to go Denzel Washington. He's like the reason why we started this draft. Okay. Yeah. Okay, that's good.

That's good. That's good. That's good. Kenzo off the board. Steve, that's good. Denzel has become, that's good. That's good. We've been talking about Denzel's whole podcast.

The black category is going to be kind of thin. So. You got a couple. Because the. But I needed to take Denzel. Because the black category is honestly more thin than I would like it to be for a variety of racist reasons.

I got to take my man, Big Willie, Will Smith. He's on the board. Sure, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. You have to take Will Smith. You got to like... That's the number two, for sure. Honestly, the fact that I got Cruz and Will Smith,

I'm like... Could have put him an Oscar, but... Who will? Yeah, you could have put him an Oscar. All right. We're not going to talk about it, but you could have... Wait. Why are we not going to talk about it?

He slapped somebody. It's fine. No, first of all, let's be clear. Will Smith Slapping Chris Rock is one of the most important moments in American history. He deserved the Oscar. Yes. But I think what Will Smith, to me, has exactly what Tom Cruise has, where it is like, Will Smith can be a didogship movie, and I'm still like, but that's Will.

Yeah, but actually, and Will Smith could also be in a rom-com. And it's completely... Can be in a rom- But also, Will Smith is not that great. He kind of has the... cruise problem. Y'all see, y'all see, we love Hitch. I'm about to say, y'all, my, my, uh, one of my worst takes is that his best role is Hitch. All right. Hitch is a great

movie. All right. Hitch is a great movie. Let me tell you some of about Hitch. I'm locked in, dog. This, this is the thing about Hitch. Um, how much money y'all you think Hitch made? I bet I made a lot of money. Oh, I can't even. I don't know. Very successful. Yeah, what y'all think hitch made? Uh, let's say $425. $4.271 million. How much? 371. Jesus. Damn.

That is a, that is incredible. Star Power. Was that the beginning of the end? Was that the on the like, because that was around, there was hitched, there was Hancock. That was Kevin James Peek. Was that also?

Evan Mendez was in there? Paul Blart. Yeah, Kevin James. Kevin James. That's his name. That's his, that's his apex. Is it not? No, no, no.

Paul Blart, Paul Blart, Bob Cop is his shit. Really? Do you know how successful those movies? No, that's what I'm saying. No, they're successful, but I'm like, are you really enjoying them? No, it doesn't matter.

Somebody else is. Sure. Yeah. This is where we reveal we have Kevin James and comedy. When you look at Will, Will is getting close, in my opinion, to actually people not understanding what a fucking big, huge deal.

I mean, Hitch is a good movie. Hitch is a good movie. Yes. But on a budget of 50 to 70 million, to take that movie and turn it into nearly 400 million bucks. Crazy. We were just going, I robot,

all of these films, Will was the defining movie star of his era. Of that era, Will Smith was the, he was the biggest guy. He was the biggest guy. He could open a fucking movie. He's a legitimate fucking movie star. Are we under,

are we underestimating him the same way we've been doing with Denzel for a while, where we were like, we almost got too comfortable with them and now it's kind of like getting around to the moment where I don't know if there's going to be another Will Smith or Denzo. We know Will too well. We've spent too much time with him that sometimes the mystery that surrounds a movie star.

We don't. Everything I learned about Will Smith is against the Will. We know too well. Like we know too much of the only thing that like some of these other guys and they stay a little bit detached. Will reaches out for us. And I think that affects our perception of him. Because if it's just all the movies that they've made and how successful those movies have been, it's not too many guys that have been bigger than it, Menace Peak.

No. I mean, you could like Independence Day, banger, bad boys. Men and black. Bad boys too. Bad boys too big a bad boys. Here's the thing. Wow, Wild West sucks. And it's still, I like the song.

All right, Wow, Waus is not. I kind of like it. It's fun. When are we going to get people back on the, like, the actors rapping again, man? When is the Shlocky Wild Wild West type movie coming back? When's Shanghai noon coming back? No. Shanghai, all right, man.

Who's that? Who's drafting next? I'm drafting next. I mean, I get what you guys are saying about. Yeah, I might have to take black because if we don't, if we don't. You might have to take black? In the black category. All right, bro.

Okay. No, okay. That was crazy. That was crazy. He knew what I said about it. That was crazy. That was crazy. That's nuts.

That's nuts. In the black category. I'm gonna go with, I mean, he, I'm gonna go Chadwick in, okay, okay, all right. I like this. I like it too.

You know, rest in peace to our brother, but I mean, 42 Thurger Marshall, Black Panther, the guy was, you know, on his way to becoming one of the biggest, I mean, he might have been already there by the time he got,

but, like, definitely was only going to reach higher heights. It was a legacy cut way too short. I also think Chadwick is interesting. I think if Chadwick was born 10 years earlier, he would have had a bigger career. Like the movies he was leading and trying to do. His career was, he was, he was going to dominate. It was the only thing that we lost Chadwick to was that, that, the, Chadwick was having a fancy, he would, you're right, you're right.

No, no, I'm talking about like 42 in any other era probably would have been an even bigger. Like if he wasn't sucked up by the Marvel Machine, you mean. mean he would have been doing more. This is less to do with the Marvel machine and more to do with like he was trying to be a leading man in movies at a time where it's like people were just like, uh,

we don't really want those movies. We want the big. That's why Black Panther Pop, you know what I mean? But Chadwick, that's actually a really good thing. Remember now you're talking about one guy who played Thurgood Marshall,

James Brown and Jackie Roberts. Yeah. You know what I? He was the biopic guy. We need a bio pig guy. He called Chadwick. Chadwick was there and it was only going to, I think,

Black Panther was going to free him up to do films that were a little bit closer to his heart because he had so much, um, um, he had so much security culturally and I would imagine financially from those movies that you were going to see him. But Chadwood Bozeman is a 101.

Man, I'll tell you something about Chadwick, man. 21-1 Bridge, two of them bridges movie, man. Absolutely. I like that movie. I like that movie, man. Twin and Bridges is that gas, man. Oh, all right, man.

You got two. So I got two picks. Yeah. Okay. So I'm surprised here. So I have to draft black. I'm not going to draft black first. I'm going to draft black second.

Okay. Because that's how way things work in America. I have to draft black. I have to draft black, but I have to take someone in heartthrob right now. That I'm surprised is still on the board. Maybe heartthrob, to me, the biggest movie heartthrob of all time, or one of them, Brad Pitt? Yeah.

Ooh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm going to take, I'm going to take Brad Pitt in heartthrob. Like, you could have taken, Brad Pitt is another one of those guys. Well, it feels like everything except action, right? Not really action, huh? Not entirely, no. I feel like he just kind of dipped a toe in late in his career into action, but not

like crazy. I mean, Mr. Mr. Smith, right? He was doing action there, but I mean, it's not like a, there's not a ton of them. No. It's not a ton of. The train was really the most recent thing. Brother, I like bullet train. Bullet train is fine.

I like bullet train, man. You put that on on a plane, brother? You live in. Bullet plane? Bullet plane? That's the sequel? Listen to Steve. Bullet planes, trains, and automobiles?

Let him cook. But if you think of guys who are, like, this is the movie star hard-knock guys. They're going to be a couple of guys from the past, a couple of guys from the present. But, you know, Brad Pitt was the... as far as that was the one man can I can I ask a lay a question actually in the category of heartthrob is there enough female gaze representation for Brad Pitt to call him like a generational heartthrob do you think um I think for a generation before me maybe for me I don't know he doesn't really do it for me it's interesting to see to think of him as a heartthrob now versus when he was younger which is obviously like I think

anything pre-fight club is probably when we're thinking of, right? Well, I mean, so... No, definitely not pre-pright club. First of all, you guys, one thing I'm not going to do is litigate on this podcast whether or not Brad Pitt is a fucking heartthrop. I'm not saying that whether or not he's built as such. Like, Brad, my mother and this woman named Sonny.

So let me tell you what happened real quick. I'm sorry to derail the podcast with the story, but there was a woman named Sunny that was literally the landlord of our building here in California when we lived out here before and Sonny took a liking to my mom okay

so he runs in the family with powerful white people taking a liking, when they were. Sunny took a liking to my mom so Sonny took a liking to my mom. So Sonny told my mom's like this movie, Dad used to always think that Sunny

had a crush on mom. This movie that you have to see. Stelman Louise. It's like 1992 or whatever the movie coming out. So they go to see the movie. Dad comes home. dad is like, you know, where your mom at?

And I'm like, she went with Miss Sunny. And daddy was like, she went what? It's like she went with Miss Sunny. They left. Like, Sunny and your mama, they left together. I'm like, Dad, dad thought he had been robbed. You thought mom was experiencing some new things, whatever. They go to see the movie.

They come back. And Sonny is talking about the female-led. like beauty of the movie and all of that stuff that that. And my mother says, all of that is great. But I saw the finest white boy I have ever seen the thing in my life.

Okay? He was 27 in that movie, by the way. That I have ever seen in my life in that movie. And I don't know where he's coming from or where he going. But God damn, he robbed her. and I bet it was worth it. And from then, all the way moving on, Fight Club was the movie where men

started to gravitate towards Brad Pitt. That was the movie where we started to go, oh my God, it was kind of like the Matt Damon Jason Bourne thing to where we were like, I this guy's like fucking kind of cool. Like, we fuck with him a little bit. But Legends of the Fall, maybe not for the like, Brad Pitt.

Meet Joe Black. Him and Jennifer Anderson, like that, That was a whole thing, right? Mr. Mrs. Smith, yeah. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, come on, that was crazy. Literally, that movie, shout out Kimberg, that movie is the two sexiest people in the world.

At the sexiest point in their lives. At the sexiest point in the movie, that's what that movie is. Yeah, exactly. People also forget that there's a whole other movie after the sexy fight scene, which I think it kind of... I like it when they go to the lows and they start shooting everybody up. No, even after... When they go to lows...

Everything after the sexy fight, I'm like, all right, we can stop. Man, Steve, come on, bro. You do it too much this episode. Do it too much. I like Steve. Steve's spicy Steve. This is Steve in power. So now Steve's power.

His side won. I'm not going to lie. After being gone for two or three weeks, Steve has a little bit too much power. What has been going on? Memember, baby. Step me in November, baby. We've been locked in, baby.

Charles, you haven't been here. They've been trying to, they've been dominating me, bro. We've outplucked him. Damn. They're pluggiest shit. We miss you. They joined together in a Yeah, there's a power imbalance here.

The power and the midnight boy university shifted. All right. What's your? Your black pick, you said? In black. So black, we're down. We're down.

Will? Denzo. Did you. Will. Will. And Chadwick Boseman. Right. Okay.

I know who you have to pick. Here's the deal. Got to do it. What do you mean? You gotta do it. Pick who you're gonna pick? Who you think I'm? Well, I can't.

I don't want to ruin it. Sidney? No, it's not going to be Sydney. Okay. I'm going to zag a little bit. Okay. I'm going to take Eddie Murphy. Oh, okay.

It's not a bad. It's not a bad, it's not a bad, it's not a bad, it's not a bad tag. That's a wonderful. He was high on my list in comedy. High. I had him in comedy. Biggest movie star in the world in the eight. take Eddie Murphy. I'm going to take Eddie Murphy

and Black because I'm going to tell you something when we're talking about black fucking stars, he way up there. That's it. Not going to go on the whole long thing. Now, there's been, let's be honest, there's been some down moments. You didn't like Daddy Daycare?

To be fair, though, to be fair, as a comedian, I give comedians a little bit of bail because it's like generally as they get older, the filmography starts to kind of slip a little bit. You know?

It's fine. He's a legend. Yeah. I mean, Beverly Hills Cop. Axel Foley was fun. Dog, I mean, come on. I like that movie. I love that movie.

I don't like the third one. Third one stinks. But, you know, it was fair. But I like that movie. But in black leading men, like at the, once again, height of his powers, he was super,

he was like, A. Will Smith. Maybe not quite. I'd have to look and see if the run was quite as long. The numbers definitely weren't as big as what Will's were. But he was that kind of can't miss guy for a long time. So in black, I'm going Eddie Murphy. Okay, good choice. That's a great choice.

Jomey, you got. This is my turn. Yeah. Let's see what we got here. I think I got to go with the, not really like a heart pick, but just, I'm going on a superhero. I already knew it. Okay.

I already knew it. I'm taking downy. All right. Yeah. I'll take it Downey. All right. This list is actually deeper than I thought when I went to the research. But I mean, you got to take, you mean, Iron Man One made money, Iron Man two, made some money.

And then every single superhero movie, the guy I was in was just gross over being a billion dollars. He's the bigger superhero star of all time. Of all time. It's like, that's it. Got to have him. The single biggest superhero star of all time is a great big. My goat, Robert Downey Jr. He's coming back, guys.

Doom, Doom, baby. Yeah. No, I couldn't say no to that check. That Marvel Cash till he's 90. New mask. Till he's 90. Damn. Hey, before we move on real quick,

we're not, we're not dick riders. We're the non-dick ride boys. We don't, we don't dick ride. Okay. We don't, that's the one.

We're not going to be glades. We might glaze, but we won't bounce. Jesus Christ. What are you doing? Jesus Christ. Kerm. I love this energy.

I'm just letting you guys know. Going for, we don't dick ride. Okay. However, I'll ask this question. Since the Downey announcement, have we warmed up to the idea of Robert Downey Jr. returning to the MCU? Are we as down on it as we've ever been?

Or are we intrigued? So good, bad, or curious? about Robert Donnie Jr. in the MCU this many months removed from the from the announcement. Bad, it still stinks. I still hate it. I am with the utmost caution optimistic.

I'm like, yeah. It's like a razor's edge of like, this actually feels like, I know we keep saying make or break for the MCU, but this really feels make or break for the MCU because I'm like, if you bring him back for this and you potentially

undermine what, endgame was, I think that's just legacy destroying. And if they do it right, then cool. But like, I don't know how the returns could possibly justify this. I don't know. I'm good cautious in this because when it first came out, I was, I was writing like crazy. Right. But I think I've come down just like a smidge.

I'm still really excited. I can't wait to see where it goes. But at the same time, you do have to, you can't just give a slop. You just can't give us anything. Because, like, Robert Downjee's back, cool. They have to make it work. And I think that there's a good plan in place to make it work. So I like to see it.

And if it works, then it's a banger. I'm, I'm at for it. Yeah, hope so. Chuck. All right, you know what? I'm going with my heart for this next pick. Yeah. In comedy, I think the box office number speak to themselves.

I think his peak was the highest peak for a comedy star. Yeah, you know, no, no. I got to pick Will Ferrell. Oh, thank God. Oh, thank God. Oh, thank God. It was one of two. It was one of two.

It was one of two. It was one of two. And I had to go with my heart. Like, I know people are like meeting, man, Will Ferrell, like, people don't understand. Like, Will Ferrell was running the game. Elf. Oh, no. Step.

Come on. The run is crazy. The run is crazy. Like comedy redefining almost, right? Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. The run is crazy. That's a good pick. That's a good thing about it. You got me scared, though, Charles. There was two. There was two.

He's got to come off. He's got to come off. I think he might come up right now with my opinion. All right. For comedy, I'm picking Jim Carrey. That was, whoa.

Whoa. Wait, let her have it. Let her have it. No, no. That's good. That's good. Jim Carrey,

one of our, I mean, the mask. You know what I'm saying? I'm so confused right now. Jomi and Steve, Jomi and Charles have another guy in there. Oh, wait.

No, no, no. No, no. You got that. You fucked up. You fucked up. I did fuck up. You fucked up. You fucked up.

It's okay. It's okay. There's only one of a pitch that is similar, if not better than Wolf Arrow. But I like Wolf-Farre. No, no, no, no, no. I can put him an Oscar. I could put him an Oscar? Could you put him in Oscar?

I think he has. He's won, right? No, no, no. So what are you picking an Oscar? Wait a minute. No, I can't. Well. You can't put him an Oscar?

I could win? He's won. Best actor? Best actor? Has he? I don't know who y'all talking about. No, he didn't win that. That was best supporting.

Was it, was it supporting? Hold on. That was best supporting. No, he has one. Well, that's not who we're thinking about. That is not who we're thinking about. Okay, then never mind then. All right, great. I'm thinking Jim Carrey.

I'm sticking with Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey is absolutely funny. Icon. Fucking incredible. Absolutely hilarious. Okay, wow. I like Jim Carrey, but like, come on, Burr, Fire Marshal Bill.

Five Marshall Bill? Come on, man. Ace Ventura. Ask, liar, liar. Man, they used to put liar Liar on Saturdays on ABC all the time. That movie was funny, bro. Lai, liar is funny.

Jim Carrey was a, I know you guys are trying to hate, but Jim Carrey was a, like, I'm going to know what you guys are thinking about. Like, I'm interested in this. Let me text you, let me text you. I'm going to text you. So he's got another pick.

Yeah, let me, I'm a text you. Yeah, you got another pick. Go for it. I got another pick. Steve, go ahead and take your pick. Oh, okay. All right. Damn.

either for heartthrob Oscar or superhero. Okay, I think for, I'm going to go Oscar and a dude that to me just like resonates the Oscars Daniel Day Lewis. Damn. Yeah. I can't believe it.

Mr. Austin. Yeah. Like, he's in a movie. He gets an Oscar. That's what he does. I keep saying that after every pick. I should stop saying that. But like Daniel Day Lewis, man. Yeah. He should have been like The second off the board That dude is a cheap code Danilo's just open his mouth

Someone just having an Oscar Can you get Oscars for whittling shoes In Italy? Because I think you can. I love how he came out of retirement For his kid though. Best performance I've ever seen The best performance I've ever seen.

There will be blood? There would be blood. Oh! I'm so mad. The best single act performance I've ever seen. He was on my list too. I was like No, I'm going to be able to get

Daniel Daylu You thought you could snipe him low in the group? That's actually, that's really, after the Jim Carrey snapped with that's pretty good. Yeah. It's really the only category he could be drafted. What's up? Daniel Lewis is on the lid.

I must have sold on comedy. You didn't sell it. Jim Carrey's a good pick. There's two. There's two. Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's two. Hold on.

But there's Wilfairl and there's a guy we're thinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't worry about it. Okay, it's that. Yeah. You're next. What do you got left? Let's see.

So, I have. have superhero heartthrob. In action? No, that's all I have left. Okay. You know what? In superhero? No, wait. And I have Oscar.

Oscar. Oscar's tight. All right. You know it in an Oscar? Fuck it. I'm gonna just go with my heart. One of my favorite actors of all time. I'm going with De Niro. Cool. Yeah.

It's good. Cool. Just like keeping it class. Like, I'm going with De Niro. Like, not being cute about it. Just great. I don't know if he's the most. he's one of the great actors of all time.

There are actors in Oscar that I are probably technically better actors than him just in terms of just like the roles. But De Niro for what he's done from movie history, the amount of De Niro movies I watch every year. I got it. This, man. I mean, when I first started working this company,

you know, they were doing the heat rewatchables, like, you know, the three heat, all that. I was like, well, I got to tune in. I was talking about, brother, that scene with him. him and Pacino in the diner. Yeah. If you, you know,

fill that heat around the corner, leave and 30 seconds flat. You like that. Cinema. I mean, I love heist movies. I can't believe I hadn't watched it. I mean, Michael Mann is doing his thing, the scene with,

when the rob of the bank without camera, like that entire thing. But just like, speaking of his performance specifically, amazing. That's the stuff. That's the juice. All right.

Jomey. You're up. Comedy. I already know, man. Take it the Sandman. How? Adam Sam. I'm actually fine with not having that.

What? Yeah. What? I'm not saying that he doesn't have a backlog of amazing movies. But to me, there's like the comedic legacy of Adam Sandler just kind of bounces off. No, I don't do that.

You guys, you guys, Jim Carrey is a bigger movie star than Adam Sandler. Thank you very much. Who's the better movie star? Like, I think Jim Carrey. Like it, Jim Carrey and his run, I don't know, this is a good one. Maybe, maybe I'm.

Jim Carrey can do any... Jim Carrey in comedy? Adam Sandler. Like, I would be, I would be, I'd be really... I'd be interested to know what people think. Do, do, do, do, and honestly, flip it on its ear. Let's do it on its ear. Who had a better dramatic run out of the two?

Jim Carrey Adam Sand. They both had a decent dramatic run. Decent dramatic run. I would also put Jim Carrey above that. I would take uncut jams and punch truck glove over any movie that Jim Carrey. Eternal Stone's End of Spous Mind. Shuman Show?

Oh, come on now. Truman Show. It's probably on the Pottles Mind, the Truman Show. Like, Jim Carrey. No, I love those movies. Those movies are good. I ranked those higher. We're also, we're talking about comedy specifically.

He's drafted in the comedy role. Oh, no, no, no, no. But even comedy specific, if you. Happy Gilmore, wedding singer, the water boy. Big dad. Like, come on, bro. He was the biggest comedian actor. Let's do Jim Carrey.

Like, who's bigger? So Jim Carrey has. Jim Carrey has. Cary has his biggest movie. All right, The Mask, Dumb and Dumber. How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Bruce Almighty. He's got Bruce Almighty. He's got, like, he's, when you look at the film, too.

Man on the moon, holy shit. Like, yeah, Ace Ventura. Like, he's. The cable guy. Oh, Adam Sandler, I just did this quick. Can you guys guess how much his comedy films have cumulatively who Adam Sandler Oh, billions.

$2 billion. Yeah. No, I'm not saying the box office isn't behind him. That's like, that's not the point. I love the comedic legacy of Jim Carrey way more than Adam Sandler.

I do. No, you're zagging. No, I'm not. Jim Carrey's good. This is me. Like, here's the thing. I love Jim Carrey, Truman Show. This is me.

Like, I love Jim Carrey, but he's not, nah, Sam. No, it's different levels. Shadow series of unfortunate events. It's different levels. Jim Carries, Jim Carries movies, um, I don't think

That's all of Adam Sandler's movies, by the way. No. No. No, we skipped a lot. We skipped a lot. No, no, no. I'm talking about when you said his, when you said his entire, what's the entire gross of his movies? His comedic movies, you said?

His comedic, they say, I just Googled it. It says $2 billion worldwide. For all of his, that can't be for all of his movies. He has started in Hollywood comedy films that cumulatively grossed over $2 billion worldwide. Let's go. I'm going on box office now. Okay. So Jim Carrey is 4.8.

billion dollars. 4.8? Yeah, but I don't think that's all Adam Sandler's movies. I don't believe that number. It's saying right now, Worldwide Box Office Sandler is at $3 billion, but that seems low.

Well, whatever. Also, remember, with Jim Carrey, some of that stuff, is Sontahe, and all that stuff like that. So you can't be perpute box office, but I knew that, like, at their heights, I feel like Carrie was a little bigger, but I don't know. If you're asking me,

I mean, I think Carrie's got it. I probably like. Adam Sandler's movies. I will say, but Sandler's run has been longer, though. Sure, sure. Kerry kind of bowed out. Jim Gary is very selective. And I love the fact that he's borderline quit acting.

Except to just be in Sonic movies. The Eggman, yeah. That's so funny to me. It's a great movie. Adam Sandler has made a lot of movies. A shit ton of bad movies. Yeah. But here's the thing.

We also, I feel like we've kind of been like with Sandler. We're like, you know what? I'm going to catch you like every five. movies. Maybe every 10. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, but he likes it. Okay. So who's up next? You got two. I got two. Okay. So I'm going to

go comedy now. And my guys are skewing a little older. Okay. Of course. And you guys might not remember how big this guy was as a comedy star at his height. But he was huge. He had gigantic comedy movies. Oh, I know who you're picking.

Everybody loved. I'm going with Robin Williams. Yes. Oh, Robin, really? Hero. Yeah. I thought you were going to go to Bill Murray. I thought I fucked up by not picking him. Robin Williams was at a time, I think he had 10 movies in a row. Yeah.

That went over $100 million. Ten movies in a row? That had to have been in the 90s. People loved him. No, he's incredible. I really did mess up. or Robin Williams could have took him

Well, you couldn't have taken him in Oscar because he only had supporting. So I guess you couldn't have taken him in Oscar. Yeah. But yeah, Robin Williams from TV, Mork and Mindy. Every decade. Even when he was being funny,

they always kind of, think about it, Aladdin. A lot of stuff. That's not a leading man's role. But he, to me. Would you also say that he has more of a better turn in dramatic roles, though? Yes.

he has a lot of films that are dramatic yeah yeah but like I'm looking at some of his best movies that I could call dramatic and I'm like okay awakenings mr. doubtfire uh what dreams may come yeah uh he was in Hamlet flubber no but goodwill hunting obviously flubber's a classic um one hour photo you didn't fuck with flubber I love him might have been too old yeah you were too old for flubber yeah he was also one of my favorite movies called World's Greatest Dad

and he was a very, very, very good character in that. He was in the 90, me, that's right. He was on the theater of Roosevelt. Man. That's actually a good pick. That's a great. What's your second pick, man? So my second pick is action.

Okay. And I'm going to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. I'm surprised he went this late. Arnold was in my top three. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was also.

I guess if you start looking at action, I don't want to step on anybody. I mean, there's so many. these guys that are action stars that do action movies, you know? But like, yeah, my action star, I'm going Arnold Schwarzenegger. And once I realized that nobody was going to pick him, I started picking other

people. But I could argue that this is just, this is so generational. Because, like, Keanu Reeves was the first action star that was drafted in this draft. Oh, no, Tom Cruise was. Tom Cruise was. Oh, Tom Cruise was. Yeah, that makes sense. And then it was me. Arnold Schwarzenegger is to me the

he's the actual real action star where it's just like when I think of people who embodied what that meant and kind of built that archetype it is kind of even one other guy I know the other guy but and so I don't want to

I'm next there's another person still on the board that I was like I'm surprised he has a big thing but it's either him or my heart right with your heart because we're going to have honorable mentions That's true. If I'm going with my heart, because, look, I like the Rambo movies.

That's, you know, oh, actually. Actually, you know what? Would you qualify the Rocky movies is action movies? They became that. Yeah, they did. At first, no, but then they became that for sure. Then you got a text alone. There was two.

I mean, they became that. I mean, like, at first, they, they, they, the first one, one wasn't and the second one arguably wasn't but then after that they definitely became action movie. But yeah, between Rocky and Rambo, you got to take Stallone, I think. I wanted to go, we all picked our action

guys, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to leave it. I'm going to leave it. I'm surprised Bruce didn't get picked. Brother, that. There's also one more. Brother, I love Die Hard, bro. But then I'm trying to think outside of that. We're missing a very big one in action that actually I don't. I don't

outside of Die Hard, like I love the, you got some Which ones? We'll say that for honorable mentions. I'm going, I got to go Stalone for action. Okay. Between Rambo. Yeah, man, my daddy loved me him some Rambo movies, man.

Yeah. First blood. Rambo is big with the, Rambo is big with the dads. Brough. Yeah, Rambo's cold, bro. I love that. Because Rambo got pushed too far.

Yeah. And then he had to fuck over people, you know? Man on the edge. My daddy would be like, they made him a weapon. They made him a weapon. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, they, they spent all the, that time making him a weapon.

Now, he's supposed to go work at Sam's Club. Time. The killer needs to kill. I'm like, yeah. He needs to kill. Also, what's really weird is like, first blood is such a down-to-ear the movie. Oh, yeah, no.

It's very great. It's like, oh, I feel bad. Like, they just need to leave him alone. And then every other movie's just like, action, action. Yo, that's the last. It's just a good movie. The last.

And then after that, that's all that. And then after that, they let Ramble off the leash. The most recent Rambo movie is nuts. It's not good. They love it. They love it. All right, so it's my pick.

I'm so... We've all waited in superhero and I do think that there is a one and there's a two. Yes. There is a two and everybody else. I'm going to Hugh Jack. In Tarascoe.

I know who your pick was. I know who your pick is. Oh, you already know. I didn't have to worry about my pick. You never had to worry about your pick. Yeah, he never had to. He's on my list. That was third on my list.

Third, there's a guy. Who's second? When you hear you'll get it. But Hugh Jackman is a fucking fantastic pick. Hugh Jackman is a great pick. Because when you really think about it, like the first X-Men movie is not about him. It's about the X-Men. And they were like, oh, no, this is the guy.

And then literally every single movie of X-Men either is about Wolverine or they shoe Wolverine in there. Oh, I mean, what he did? What happened this year? That first X-Men movie, that bitch about Wolverine to me. Really? Looking back at it. He's the main character that bitch to me. Like, I mean, maybe it's not about him.

Yeah. No, but by X-I-X2, you're like, oh, it's the movie. Well, I think because of like, we watch X, we watch the movie, we're like, oh, Hugh Jackman, well, he's got some. This is good. And then by X-in, by X-2, you're like, oh, yeah, this is about him. When you look back at it, because of his gravitas, because of what he's doing in the movie, it feels about him, but it's not, right?

It's about the X-Men in their plea. But because of what Hugh Jackman did, the writer saw it, the director saw it, I was like, bet, boom, that's the guy, we'll make this whole universe revolve around him. And for the next, what, like, decade, till he's 90, we're getting Wolverine. Yeah. Because he's that guy. He's the fucking, he's the downy of X-Men.

Oh, I mean. Like, he is, that's a great pit. That's the man. If you told me that they're going to bring him back for those final two Avengers films, I'd be like, of course they are. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm going. Oh, my nigga, he's coming back.

Yeah, he's coming back. He for sure coming back. Like you pencil him in. Yeah, Secret Wars, it's happening. Yeah, they're going to get, look, I'm going to tell you all straight up. They're going to get this money from y'all. Hey, it's going to be crazy. Y'all are complaining and all that stuff.

Y'all going to spend this money. They're going to get this money from you. When the trailer drop, when the trailer drop and it's, and it's, uh, and it's Hulk and and Spider-Man. But no, they're going, they, they, they don't get this money. Oh, told me McGuire's in this bitch. Bro, when it's Hulk and Spider-Man and then you hear the snick of Wolverine claws, you see the claws on screen with Spider-Rex.

with Spider-Man, bro. The whole thing don't go crazy. It's over. $3 billion. They do some dumb shit like Wolverine's body and his DNA gives birth to the X-Men or something stupid. Oh, my God. You know, like they take him. He can't die.

They would do that. Generates and, oh, my God. So he's in these bitches. Plus, bro, he said he wanted to do it. By the way, Chris Evans. When I saw Red One, I saw Red One bring in like $12. I'm like, you know what it should have said

at the end of Red One at the credits? Captain America and Steve Rogers will return. That's Steve Rogers will return. At the end of Red One it's just saying

Steve Rogers will return. Oh my God. He's coming back, bro. He's got to. He's got to. You know, they're not fucking with your features, bro. No.

It's tough. Can't want to more. Yeah. Steve, who are your two final picks? Okay, I've got heartthrob and superhero. Let's pick of the litter here. Heartthrob, again, I'm going with a generational one of mine. Long past, but this was probably one of the biggest heartthrobs

and biggest movie stars that would have also been cut short. Keith Ledger. Yeah, for sure. That's good. That's good. Like, I keep thinking back, like, I've seen a knight's tale. I've seen 10 things I hate about you. A good draft.

I've seen the things that he's been in and then I think to right now and I think of all the things that he could have been in and the movies that would have been made for him and it's like

I would have picked him an Oscar by now because he would have gotten like 20 of those by then with the amount of things that that guy can do it was a born movie star and then

in superhero I could just really piss Vanoff but I'm not not going to do that. You could. You could. I'm not going to do that. You could.

I'm actually not going to do that. I feel like you should. No, I'm not. I feel like you definitely should. No. Because there's only one other option. And I think it's like a fair, but like for being serious. No.

I could be very serious. Be serious. You got to do it. It's hard though, because there's actually a lot more. There isn't. Not really. There's only one more. No, I'm going to sell it.

I'm going to do what I want. Go for it. All right. You just added them to win, by the way. You give it to him to win? No. You guys, I've already won. That's okay.

I don't know, man. I got the Will Smith Cruz. I got Hank's Pitt, Eddie Murphy, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Y'all. That's fun. Dog, I got Will Smith and Cruz. Farrell. It's tough.

It's tight. You got the second best niggas of all the niggas of all the niggas. You know what? If, if, if you, if you let your guys pick, they pick my team. They pick my team. Actually, honestly, though, seriously, all just aside, it's going to be generational. It just depends on what you do. Yeah, it kind of is.

It's, all of this is generational. I pick the guys I grew up watching, you picked the people you grew up watching. And this is the thing. It's so many great... Half of these are ones that are not on these, that are not on draft boards. Yeah. That are interesting to me. There's some really big stars that aren't on their draft boards. And it's, and I'm picking this guy because he is technically in them.

And also I, like, equate him to a leading man of his time. Oh, I know where you're pushing. in through that. And that's Christian Bale. Oh, that's not where I thought you were going to go. Yeah. Christian Bales, Batman ushered him into a level of stardom that, like, carries him through Nolan movies, that carries him through everything else that he does.

I'm not buying what you set up. I don't think I'm going to pick who you guys think I'm going to pick. Okay. Interesting. What, I mean, okay, well, we'll see. Okay. Interesting. Because if you, I feel like we'll get to it when we get there.

Yeah. I like the Batman. Obviously love Dark Night. Does he know about camera? Enjoy the... No, no, no. It's like, bail in those movies is good.

Like, you know, I want to say great. In like, we're talking superhero. You think it's great in those movies? Yeah. Okay. That's how you feel. Let you head at it.

That's fine. I don't... Wow, it lands with a thud over here. I mean, first of all, no, no, no. I think he's really good in the movies. I think he's great in the movies, but it's the Batman franchise that asks Batman to do the least.

That's true. But that's what makes it good, right? Yeah. It's the Batman franchise that asks Batman to do the least. I feel like the villains carry in the movies. Like, I'm not taking anything away from his Batman. He plays Batman perfectly for the world that he's in. But that Batman does the least amount of heavy lifting

than pretty much any other Batman that I've seen. What's the best part of, the best movie in that trilogy. Yeah, it doesn't have to do with him. Yeah. But he's also on my draft board. I mean, sure, but like... That guy's also there, so...

I mean, you know, I don't know if that's the... I mean, it could be the best part, but like, there are action scenes, Batman on the bipod, on the bat pod. That's great. You know, just, you know, but... The... We had a... It's hard.

Like, really, there's a transcendent... generational performance in one of those movies that I don't know if there's any Batman actor that you could put him up against that. Yeah. Farah. He held his own against Jack Nicholson, but what Heath Leather did with the Joker is like, it was nuts. When that first came out,

I was like, there's no way this is going to work. And then one of my friends went to a screening. And my boy Jeff went, no, van, no, you don't understand. I was like, what? He's like, Heath Ledger is the Joker. I was like, no way. He was like, no, you don't. don't get it. Like, you don't get it. Keith Ledger is not, he's not playing, he is the Joker.

Like, better than anything you've ever seen. And then he sold it so hard and we went there and it was everything he said it was. It was something that you genuinely couldn't comprehend until you saw it. Yeah. So I don't, I don't blame Christian Bell for that. Like, no. He was in front of a bus off. You know? Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I have one more. I don't, I don't know if you guys will allow me to pick this guy in heartthrob, but I want to go old school. Can I get Harrison Ford across the board? Absolutely. Yeah. In Artthrope.

I didn't know. Definitely. For sure. All right, I'm going with Harrison Ford. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I'm glad to see him in the draft. He could have been. He wasn't getting that out. Whoa, whoa. He's not. Guys, he's not a make a wish kid. He's one of our finest.

No, no, no, no. No, but I'm saying, though, is like maybe there's not, he's never won an Oscar. Yeah. They don't want an Oscar. And so he's not black. He's not a defining action star. He's not really a superhero unless you call. I was going to try, but I couldn't really.

I mean, Hans not really superhero, but. But Han, Indiana Jones. You could do action. You could do super hero. But he's not, but he's not up against like the Sylvester Stallones or the Tom cruises of the world. Yeah. Yeah.

But he was in a, he was in a big, I mean, those indie movies. I mean, you could, you could say action. For sure. But Hartthrob is really, heartthrob is, of course. If there was a Johnny Everyman category of this. I'm all saying Mallory would put him in hardthrob. So yeah.

Absolutely hardthrobs. That's good. Yeah. I also have heartthrob left. And I'm between two minds here. I think I'm going to go. I'm going to go old school. I'm going to go for heartthrob.

Marlon Brando. Oh. I like that. That's classy. Choice. Yeah. That's classy. You know, we remember.

Like great choice. Prime Ronald Brando Prime Brando was nuts Doc Wall senior year Play streetcar name Desire It was like Martin Brando was fine We all like

What's you talking about Is a fucking dude from the godfather We've seen it And she put it on And we watched it Maybe the best looking human Like great choice Yeah he's nuts

Yeah It's beautiful Charles likes it Charles you like Brando I love Brando That's a very classy choice Yeah What's the sexiest

Brando ever was to you Charles? Streetcar, right? Apocalypse now. Godfather. I want everybody to, I want everybody to, they say that Brando let James Baldwin hit.

Oh, that's been known. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's been known. And, uh, Quincy Jones, rest in peace was like, um, wait, didn't it was Ballwin?

It was, Richard, Richard, Richard. Yeah. He hit Richard Pryor. Yeah. Um, 80s were a crazy time.

Crazy time. Go, go watch Brando read for James Dean's role in I think it's Rebel Without a Cause Oh yeah Great looking movie star guy

These are guys were movie stars man Man, fucking movie stars All right who's your Who is your superhero What ain't gotta say? Christopher Reeve Yeah, duh Yeah, all right

Man I was gonna pick that If I was gonna pick that The most telegraphed Of all the top I know piece number two The reason I put him above A Jackman is because They

I mean, actually Because they've never really got Wolverine, like, until, like, Jackman is Wolverine. Yeah. Christopher Reeve is Superman. Yeah. But the thing is, we've never seen, like, somebody else try to be Wolverine. You see other people try to be Superman?

And I think you would agree, doesn't hold, don't hold the same water. They can't hold the same water that he does. So, not going to be hyper-verbose. I feel like I've been a little bit too much. I'll say this. Just born to play a character. No one will get it. Good luck to Cornswet and the rest of the guys.

There's a, he was 6'4, he was chiseled. He was strong and athletic, but he could also, he was also very truthful in his real life. You want to hear a truthful answer. Go listen to Chris Farreeve talk about Marlon Brando and working with him on the David Letterman show. He just emanated everything that the role needed. Yeah.

And I would have drafted him first. Robert Donnie Jr. is the biggest superhero actor of all the time. And Hugh Jackman, honestly, I didn't even think about him. He's probably second. But the quintessential superhero actor to me is Christopher. He is like Superman. Now, you could say that if you're talking about just leading men that maybe the rest of his career wasn't as good as something. I mean, fucking Hugh Jackman is a star.

Hugh Jackman is a star without Wolverine, right? Oh, I mean. I feel like Wolverine put him into the forefront. but, I mean, like, he was already a stage actor, man, you know what I'm saying? What was the musical that just came out with Zach Efron that he was in that did? Oh, the Raysholman. Oh, my God. Did numbers, though.

Changed lives. He changed lives. Right. And then what's the other one, the magician one? The prestige. The prestige. He's, like, he's in a lot of fucking movies. He's in.

Real Steel. Real Steel is great. Real Steel is great. I saw a tweet after the Mike Tyson. Real Still was that shit. I saw a tweet after the Mike Tyson, Jake Ballfei was like, man. I'm going to put on a real fight. I was like, I ain't mad at you.

By the way, directed by Steve Levy. Sean Levy. Yeah, y'all be hating. Yeah, y'all be hating. All right, come on. You'll be hating. All right, what's your last pick, man? I said it.

Yeah. Wait, that was your last pick? Yeah, that was the last pick? Yeah. All right, guys. I'll go, Schwarzenegger, Williams, the fucking eight. I'm old as shit, dog. I legitimately did not pick one person that was born.

Not even a 90s run in here. 70s. I wanted to pick Bruce for action, Bruce Willis, but I don't think it's that. Wait, before we go over, like, our list, Honorable mentions Bruce Willis not getting picked. You missed Jackie Chan. Jackie Chan. Also, in heartthrob, I was either going to, I thought the number one pick was going to be Matthew McConaug, because his run was in crunch. No, no, he, this is my list for heartthrobs. He had a special list. We had a special list. We had care. Richard gear, Carrie Grant, Paul Newman, Channing Tatum. Ken Tatum.

So you can't, you, the fact that that neither Paul Newman or Robert Reffert Yeah. On my list. Sean is going to like, the fact that neither one of those were drafted. We'll never be on the big pick again. Legendary.

He's going to cut. No, no, no, no. But here's the thing. If we're being honest, I'm trying to win this draft. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know,

Newman would win you the draft on Big Pick. Yeah, Newman will get you the numbers on Big Pick. Ring a versus, you know, we got to go a little bit more. Newman was on, Newman was on the list. Shout out Shout out Doc Hudson in cars Ficino didn't get picked

To get picked I'm good I had Orlando Bloom and heartthrob But like I was We start throwing names around It's like he can't He can't

Yeah Honestly he got too much shit going on Nobody The real heartthrob pick But I couldn't Just morally is Johnny Depp Like Yeah we can't

We don't need That was time That was a time What the fuck New America Pick Johnny Depp If you want What are they going to do?

Cancel you? Okay. He's in... I'm not doing it. Hating is a form of dick right. Hating is a form of dick right. Pick fucking Johnny Depp. Question for you, Van.

The only... I would say in Oscar, because maybe that's where Pacino would have gone, probably. Nicholson? So Oscar is Tom Hicks, Leo, De Niro, Daniel Day Lewis, I had Phillips Seymour in there as well. I had PHS there too.

I had PHS on the list. The question is, would you put Pacino and Oscar above De Niro, Daniel Day Lewis, Leo, or Hanks? Maybe Leo. Maybe Leo. But actually I don't know. Maybe Leo, but it's not clear. It's not clear. Here's the thing.

Did someone fuck up by not picking Phillips Seymour Hoffman? It's tough. Like that's really only what I would have put him in, but then he's above. But then if you don't put him, if you don't put him an Oscar. It sucks because he passed away and like, I feel like he had like another like five more Oscars to get.

There's only one guy on the list that acts better than him. There's what? Daniel Day. There's only one guy on the list. Daniel Day Lewis. It's the only guy on this whole thing. But like Philip Seymour, if he even had another five years, but even had gotten two more Oscars.

Like he's a titan. I mean, speaking of like Mission Impossible, like the third one kind of revital. brother, that was the first time I ever seen him. Oh, he's incredible. Changed my life. I was like, who's, man? And he's funny as shit, too.

Along came Polly? Long came Polly. Right, man. Boogie Nights. Oh, what's his role in? Not Boogie Nights. What's the second one? Magnolia?

He's amazing in Magnolia, bro. But just some guys that aren't on here. Mark Wahlberg isn't on here. I'm not putting my wrong. He completely fucked over Boston. Ben Affleck and Damon. David. Tough.

Like I said, Johnny DeMette. Like I said, Johnny DeMondon did he make it. Um, like I said, Johnny Depp isn't on there, Bruce Willis isn't on there, Ben Diesel isn't on there, the Rock. The Rockin out on there. Question for you, Van. If Christopher Reeve got picked,

if Steve had taken Christopher Reeve, who would you have picked for superhero? It's a good question. I might have gone... Keaton? Huh? I might have gone Keaton. I thought Wesley Snipes.

I might have gone snipes. It's tough. It's tough. But, like, there was a lot of guys out there in the Marvel situation that you could have gone with. really um would you like chris evans you you could take chris evans if you want to lose i wasn't gonna pick chris i he was not not after red one not after red one i mean like i mean chris evans a gigantic fucking you could take chris evans a you could take chris evans

he's like he's played like if you want to be like if you want to be like really technical he's played like a hell of a ton of superhero movies like the losers push and he you'd argue he's really fantastic four what's the best thing that he's in that isn't a superhero thing and I'm not counting Scott Pilgrim. Oh, Knives out? That is a nice-up. That's a nice superhero thing? Yeah, probably Knives Out, I think.

It's probably Knives Out, I think. It's probably Knives-Pier. Snow-Pierce. Oh, there we go. It's Snowpiercer. It's fucking awesome. You know what? But you know what else, though?

You know what I could have chose? I could have chose in a superhero. I could have Tuktupe McGuire. He's on my board. Oh, shit, yeah. I guess. Somebody took Tobin McGuire. Why didn't what you mean?

My thing is, and like, so, because when we talk about this, I think Wesley, and you, Remember we had the podcast We had the YouTube video exclusive Check it out if you haven't about Blade on YouTube About like Wesley Slimes being like a star And like for me as a kid Now I didn't I never saw that right

But y'all like now Blade is A1 It needs to be in the theaters needs to be this I think we've we've seen Spider-Man movies After Toby with Andrew And Tom And I guess They haven't hit the same high since them But like Spider-Man's always been popular

with or without Toby. Oh, they've made more money. Those, the Tom... If we're being honest, the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies are aging far worse than the Toby close. Yeah.

That's not even close. Like, he's right. And I don't disagree, but that's why I'm like, I feel like Wesley as like, Wesley is Blade. So if you came and like, I'm picking must he slips

because Blade, it's like, boom. Like, I, like, that makes more sense to me than I'm picking Toby McGuire and Spider-Man. Whereas, like, the movies age well and they're good.

Like, I'm not going to disrespect that. But, like, I feel like Wesley's, Wesley is Blade, whereas Toby is Spider-Man is like, you're picking them on the movies, not on Toby. So, my last question, is it an indictment of modern Hollywood that I don't think any of us pick someone who is, like, under 30 or 35? They just not there yet. It takes a while. Well, actually, you know what?

No, you're right. Are they even under 40? Some of these guys were already stars. Yeah, some of these guys were already stars. Um, we didn't, nobody talked about Timmy, Adam Driver. The only people that were under 40 are dead. That's right. Well, even Chadwick was 42.

Yeah. No, it was like 44 when he passed away. Yeah. Heath was under 40. Yeah, it's looking rough out there. Hey, man, Timmy doing this thing, though, you know what I mean? No, no, no. Here's the real question for Timmy, if he gets out his Bob Dylan movie, then he's minted.

Like, if he can convince people to go see this. You think the Bob Dylan movie is the one? I'm not going to say. I don't think it's going to see that movie I don't think about what hard. I'm not a art piece. That's an art piece. Yeah.

The Bob Dylan movie? Yeah. It don't look like an art piece. This is a good question. I'll ask you. Because I look at the Bob Dylan movie as an art piece, but maybe it's not. Outside of IP,

what kind of movie makes you a star now? Like, I don't know. I came along with the rom-com and that shit really kind of push him over the edge. But outside of the IP stuff, if we're so sick of the IP stuff, if the IP stuff and do it is IP, right? Yes.

But if we're so sick of the IP stuff and we don't want to see that anymore, but we still want to see movie stars, become movie stars. Like what makes you a star? What kind of role makes you a star now? What kind of movie makes you a movie? What I think you actually need is you need a 24 neon adjacent movie,

like an ANORA. A Nora is a star making performance where we're just like, you're right. We went from kind of knowing her name, is Mikey Madison. From kind of knowing who she was, I'd seen her before, to it's like, oh, no, not only she's going to win an Oscar, but she can have any role. That similar with Zendaya in Euphoria, it wasn't a movie, but it was in that

milieu of like now. That artsy. Yeah. Same thing with Jenna Ortega. I agree. I think it's a star-making term for her, too. I wonder if it makes her a movie star, meaning normally you get that movie where. where you get the,

and this is an interesting question. Let's think about this more. So if Still Magnolias is the movie that like, I'm sure, I think this came out before Pretty Woman, if Still Magnolias is the movie that makes you go, hey, I love Julia Roberts, I want to see everything that she does. Then she comes out in Pretty Woman,

and Pretty Woman is the movie that, which is the one that makes you a start? No, no, no. What's the thing that's like I'm like that is a fucking star She's sizzled on the screen I'm not so sure that the next movie that she puts out That everybody will run to go see it though

I think No no no I'm not saying you're not right I'm just saying no no no no it makes a star No no it makes sense I think if I'm thinking about it And maybe you guys don't watch soccer But just bear with me for a second Like for example

Namar was at Santos right Before he came to Barcelona He was putting up crazy numbers at Santos if you like look and you go like, oh, that young guy, he's got it. We bring him to the big club in Barcelona with all the eyes on him. Can he replicate what he did on the, like the smaller scale, like an 824? Right. You bring them to the big machine.

You put them in front of everybody. The bright lights, can he do it? And obviously it works. So like kind of your point is this exact same thing. But what I'm saying is don't be fucking surprised if you see that Mikey Mickelson, Is that Mikey Miggelson? Mikey Mousin. Mikey Mousin.

Maxie Mousin didn't get picked. No, Mads Mousin. But don't be surprised, because she's fantastic, but don't be surprised if you reading the trades three weeks from now that she's been cast as like Shadow Cat. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Kiddy Frye. Don't like, don't be surprised if you see in the trades that. That would be great, you know, that she's playing Rachel Summers or something like that. Like, don't. Because, you know, when you're talking about making stars and stuff like what kind of roles. Or Nora, to me, is the pretty woman of our time.

But it's too aggressive. We live a more aggressive time for the movie to be as well loved as pretty woman was. Even if we're talking about someone like Jeremy Allen White, he hasn't had a movie yet. That was a star making performance. Like, he's a star, but he's not a movie star yet. Pedro Pascal, same thing.

Yeah. There's not, like, so anyway. If we would have had an uppercumber, like category in this, who, like, who goes, because it's Timmy and Glenn and everyone else. That's my thing, right? You take Timmy.

No, Timmy Glenn, we can't, Zendaya, we didn't do the leading women drag. Timmy, Glenn, Joseph Quinn, maybe. Not Joseph Quinn. Not Joe, I don't know. You need more time. You don't think Joseph Quinn? You don't take Tom Holland, right?

No. But then, like, who are the other two spots? Where are we out on Austin Butler? Oh, he's in there. Yeah. He's in there. I hate him because we know what he sound like. I watch Zoe 101 growing up.

when he was doing the Elfussacket. When he was doing the Elvis accident for three years, I was like, bro, I see you not Carly, bro. You can't fool me. Stop playing with me. No, Michael B. Jordan is probably in there, too. Up and coming? Oh, Mike could have been,

Mike could have definitely been in this draft. He could have been in this draft. I don't know about up and coming. Well, he's not up and coming, no more. He's up and coming, yeah. Like, I'm talking like, 40 years old. You take.

Like, like, you know what is 40? It's like, is, like, is like, Yeah, but Mike could have been... We could have done... Daniel... Daniel Columius, sneakily, has been in the... Steve... Yeah.

Steve drafted Denzel, yeah, so Steve, off the hook with that. I wanted to see who Steve took him back. You could have took John David Washington. But what was pretty well represented. It was Eddie Murphy, Chadwick Bowman, Will Smith, Denzel Washington.

It was great. Yeah, we... I mean, you know, we do... Before we get out, let's read... So, Van, you add, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt, Eddie Murphy.

Chris for Reeve. Jomey, Sylvester Stallone, Adam Sandler, Neonardo DeCaprio, Marlon Brando, Chadwick Boseman, Robert Downey Jr. I had Tom Cruise,

Will Ferrell, Robert De Niro, Harrison Ford, Will Smith, Hugh Jackman, Steve had, Keanu Reeves, Jim Carrey,

Daniel Day Lewis, Heath Ledger, Denzo, Washington, Christian Bail. Man, I'm definitely coming to last, but I think... No, actually,

I like every single team. That's what I'm... This is the first time. I feel like I'm coming last. You're splitting hairs with who wins here. Because when you listen, you can be like, I soul.

on Tom Cruise, I'll fully admit that. But I think in terms of like a balance, definitely sold on Cruz. I'll admit that to the house. The problem is, like, what is the audience going to reward? Because it's like box office, acting ability. I think I come in last, honestly.

No, asking, but you got Daniel Day. Louis, bro. That's, that's... No, but like, it's light. You got him in, like, the third or fourth round. That was crazy. You got him in, like, the third or fourth round. That's crazy. I did draft Denzel.

You know? Yeah. I would say no, it's a good draft. The only pick that sticks in my crawl and the whole thing is Keanu Reeves as action star number one. Why? He's not number one.

He was not number one. He was drafted in the first round. Nigel, fuck all that. He shouldn't have been drafted. No, but he should have been drafted. That's not true. Are you saying that's a Jordan LaForge? He's got three iconic action roles

and most other guys don't. Yeah. Okay. Neo, he has Johnwick, and he has speed dude. And speed. If you want to call it to Jordan LaForge, I don't. It's not Joey LaForge. Oh, come on.

There'll never be another Jordan LaForge as possible. Goal Forge is the worst draft. I stand on. You should it. You should it. Guys, he's not good with girls. Guys. I'm going to kill him with this one.

play with a plume. Was that our first draft, too? It was not our first draft. It was wonderful. Do me a favor. Put in right now before we take it away. The post credits on this one, play the Jordy LaFle.

On post credits, a post credits, play the Jordy Villefort's big audio. And then also play on video, play the video. Because watch all of us back in the era when we were still trying to be nice to each other. We're like, Steve.

I think that might have been the thing where it's like we stopped being nice after that. That broke the seal. That was the moment where we were like, nah, we got to talk to each other like, brother. That was the moment. We was like, we got, man. I don't know, man.

And it was Jomey, too. Wait a minute. This is so fucking funny, y'all. It was Jomey. too. I was like, okay, because Charles, of all people, was like, good pick. Yeah.

Jome was a cold. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. All right. That's all right. On Saturday, mid-Vibber continues that Steve and Jomey continued their breakdown of Arcane season two

on Tuesday, House of Our Deep Dives. Doom Prophecy, which I'm going to try to watch and I got shit else to do. Our producers are Steve, the architect. Watch Arcade instead. Jonathan Bishop Kerma And Alea S-O-B-Zanaris Jomi

The Explaner dinner on on social Hashtag Jomi Jomai. Oh, I like that. Jomi Jomai Jomai Jomai Jome? The Wacha Ramgapal. Chuck First time in a long time, take us out. Ooh. Damn, I'm rusty. Need it.

Hey. Miss you, big dog. bring it home the midnight boys don't bounce the midnight boys don't glaze shout out to Denzel you could do this for days I think it's my pick now

because correct I'm back on the top I don't have two picks yet all right I'm going to swerve a little bit here because I'm going to divert away from comic books and comic book characters to the world of television

and science fiction this TV show meant a lot to me as a kid growing up and I think this is probably one of the coolest characters when you talk about Star Trek I grew up watching the next generation and I don't think there was a character to me that was any cooler than the chief engineer of the USS Enterprise Jordie LaForge

Ooh pretty good back played with a plume by LeVar Burton he was so smart. He was weird around girls, which who can't relate. And he would often have great adventures with data in the holodeck playing Sherlock Holmes. He was like one of my favorite characters of all time. Van, why are you looking at Steve like that?

Jomi's looking really skeptical at me. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's... I'm like, a lot of you, Steve, that's... What's the talk about? What are you talking about? Let me be clear. Let me be clear. I love him.

I love Lovar Burden. That's my guy, right? Reading Rainbow. That's, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's a trust of my heart forever. That's your second pick, my guy? That's your second pick. That's your second pick.

Listen, I've freed up some board space. You can play with the rest. That's tough. That's tough. I mean, like, look. Hey, he meant a lot to me. No, no, no, and I understand. You mean, my thing is, if anybody votes for Steve

during this portion of the podcast, then, like, that is kind of racist. I'm not going to lie. Like, I'm not going to hold you. Like, Steve should be. have zero on the board. Steve, that's nuts, Steve. I'm like, I love shout to George.

That's a reason. That's a reason. Shout out to join the board, Steve.