The Ringer-Verse - 'What If...?' Episode 7 Instant Reactions, Group Think, and the Midnight Mail | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

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See terms at fanduel.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. Into the ringerverse is of course the ringers nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. It's instant reaction time And you are listening to Sixth Almond Jomi The explainer at dinner on Van O'Ban, Van, and Coke

Baby Closer, Chuck. Together we are known as A La Midnight Boys. That's what we do, baby. A couple programming reminders coming at you. Coming at you? This Friday, Mal is going to have her deep dive

into Star Wars Visions. We are very excited about Star Wars visions over here at the old El Ringerverse. It looks to be a breath of fresh air into the Star Wars universe and also into the fandom space. We can't wait for that. All right, Mal's gonna have a deep dive this Friday.

You have to follow us on Ringerverse on socials. That's Facebook group. Hello, Facebook, Twitter, and on Instagram. all of the socials. We demand engagement. Okay? That's what we demand. Guys, if we don't give us engagement, man,

like Jomey's on the cut in block. We're trying to save his job. So run those numbers up. Yeah. Pump it up for Jomey. If you want Jomey's job saved, we need you to engage, okay? Oh, there you go.

For Jomey. Hashtack, every time you guys tweet something to the Ringerverse, I want you to put hashtag for Jomey. Wait, no, I think it should be hashtag save Jomey. Let's start the hashtag save Jomey. Every time he tweets up to the reverse, hashtag save Jomey, we love Jomey. Can we talk about how much fucking we love Jomey real quick?

I mean, he broke my heart a little bit by flip-flopping sides, but I think we've, we've mended fences. I heard you guys had a little bit of a sleepover over the weekend with Steve playing video games without me. It damn near was a sleepover. We stayed up to Steve's house. he was there like 1.32 o'clock in the morning. Steve had to give me a ride home. Yeah.

Yeah. Steve had to give me a ride home. Jomey was getting calls from the folks. Wondering where he was? Wait, to Steve? Like, did you ever have one of these kids, like, then at, like, your school where, like, you would go to, like, the White Kids house and he got, like, all this shit. Like, he got the home theater, got all the video games.

I feel like Steve got that. Steve had it all. He had all the games. He had unreleased Marvel comic book cards. I left with a book. You know, he gave me. Gotham Central. He had VR. We played Spider-Man. Steve's house looked like the perfect house that a girl has never been to.

It's really a miracle that any of them give me the time of day. Yeah. Nah, Steve out here, Steve out here again. Oh, I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell Steve's the, he's the guy that comes in. He's unassuming and the next thing you know, the girl wakes up and she's wearing his Captain America t-shirt. He still needs to some plants though. He still needs some plants. He needs a little foliage. No plants. I really do need to get some plants. I just moved. I need to get some plants. I'm sorry. Are we going to do a secret Santa here at the Midnight Boys? Maybe whoever does Secret Santa for Steve should get him some plans. Yeah, we should. We should do Secret Santa. Midnight Boy's Secret Santa. And then we can get Steve

some plants. I don't know what people would get me. Probably some like Bosley hymns. Oh. Oh. Oh. Do we want to talk about it? News. News just came in. News just came in. It's breaking. Charles, you're coming to Los Angeles. When is this happening? Hey, man, the Super Bowl for us nerds is coming up soon. I've been, I've been telling them. I'm like, guys, we need to meet in person because the MCU got some stuff cooking and we can't be doing it over Zoom. You feel me? I'll tell you guys, it's going to be like Voltron. Like when Voltron all gets together, we just unite the midnight boy. the midnight mafia.

Because we got the midnight boys, that's the group. But then outside of the midnight boys, we got the midnight mafia because there's people that are affiliated with us. And that's mad. The teams grow and the teams grow. And I can't wait, man.

All right, okay. Now look, we've got to get back to what we're doing right now, which is talking about this episode of what if. What if Thor was a party Thor guy. Okay? Party Thor. I guess that's the thing.

All right. What if Thor? never had Loki as his brother is the name of the episode, right? What if Thor never, what if Loki was never adopted? And that completely changes the trajectory of Thor's life. I actually did research on this and only children and the difference between only children and actually children who have siblings. I've got some extra little nuggets to add in this when we get to it.

We also have a little game of group think, something that we're doing here on the midnight boys at PPU something new. And we're going to answer some of your midnight mail questions. But it is time. We are five minutes in. We have to talk about what if that's the headliner of this show. And as always, we have to do this because you guys demand a spoiler warning on a show that is specifically to react to a show. Just think about that.

Look in the mirror. Look in the mirror. That's all I'm asking. Steve Roll it. We're getting ready to talk about the episode. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. The spoilers are a coming.

Because that's what we do here. You got out of my face. I'll jump all over all of you. So here's the thing. This episode, what if, episode seven, what if Thor was an only child? We go from the beginnings of Thor. in Asgard, we change it up rather than Odin keeping Loki.

He returns him to the Frost Giants, which means Thor is an only child. Of course, he doesn't know about his sister. She's somewhere cast out by Odin. So Thor is raised by himself, which changes Thor and leads to a party that threatens the safety of the entire world, our world, that world being earned. quite possibly the most whimsical and silliest what if yet charles what were your thoughts on this episode uh like when i go to a party in life hence party thor uh generally i'm like hey cool i showed up uh probably will not be coming back for a couple months so everybody say your eyes i'm going

back to be alone that's how i felt about party thor how did you feel you you you were down a little bit You were negative. You were very depressed after the last three or four what-if episodes. And you finally got one full of whimsy. How did you feel after the first watch? Oh, I liked it. So here's the thing. I liked it.

Don't couch. Don't couch it, man. Like, I saw you winding up to couch it, bro. I'm not couched it. Hey, hey, hey, I'm not couched anything. I'm not a coucher. I'm not Jeremy Lynn. I don't sleep on anybody's couch.

Oh, that wind up was fucking. wild, bro. Charles, why don't you let me be who I want to be, man? Why don't you let me be the guy who sees the silver lining? You know what? I want a new nickname. I want a new nickname. Add to my nickname, too, because we're all getting more nicknames, right? I want to be called Mr. Silver. Okay? Mr. Silver? Mr. Silver. Is that the pepper in your beard? You know what I'm saying? It's not coming in yet. It's not coming in yet. I saw my friend Nick. He's got some pepper coming into his beard, but mine isn't coming in yet. Who knows? But I want to be Mr. Silver

because I can see the silver lining. Look, I was begging for a tonal shift and what if. What if had kick me in my balls three episodes in a row? We got Dr. Strange Supreme. We got Dr. Strange Supreme. We got Marvel Zombies and then we got the death of all the Avengers. I was like, hey, look, we need something tonally a little bit different, a little bit lighter.

And they definitely gave that to us with this episode. I thought the episode was quirky. I thought it was cool. To be honest with you, it did make me appreciate the darker stuff a little bit more because it seems like this more way to it. Yeah, man, he was wishing. And they gave you what you want. And he's like, man, like, my old girl was, was better than I thought.

I guess the thing was this is what if in the sense. To me, it's a more traditional sort of take on what if because this is a completely different character of Thor. But it's different enough. The Thor that we first met. Is it different enough? This was my one thing. Okay.

I thought it didn't have that last twist that the best episodes have. Because if you're like the what if is essentially like, what if Thor was an only child? And I'm like, you need one more thing to make it like a little bit weirder. Like Tachala being Star-word and being in the Guardians of the Galaxy, that's out of here. Like taking Thor out of his. world, you mean? Yeah, and like party Thorism. I'm like, this is just the Thor that we saw in the first movie for the first act, where he's just like a little irresponsible. He's like partying around and they're just like, we're just going to give you a whole episode of that. And I'm like,

oh, that's cool. It just didn't have that one last twist that kind of made me think like, oh, I think of the character different now. Like I didn't walk away thinking of Thor as a different character. You know what I mean? Yeah, true. I guess my thing is it was a little, I looked at the what if fiddiness of it because you have a fight between Thor and Captain Marvel. You have some real stuff that probably wouldn't happen. All of the cool cameos that pop up. And it seemed like something out of a parody, which there were one shots of what if.

There were issues of what if that seemed like parodies and not so much just like. And that kind of gave you this feel a little bit. I will say something. It is Thor from the first act, But he does have a much different view of humanity than he did, even in the first act of this movie. I mean, he didn't get there in the first act. But by the time Thor got cast out to Earth,

he had a much different relationship. He had way more respect from humanity off the bat than he did in this episode because he's like partying and destroying our world and no one can stop him. my thing about episode seven is is loki not being thor's brother a significant enough development to make that character of thor party so much that he destroys the earth they there wasn't enough way given to why loki not being thor's adopted brother would cause him to be

so callous, so reckless, and so unthinking, and really to a degree unfilling. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy to party with, but he's a kind of guy that parties at your crib and destroys your whole house. I didn't really, I didn't think they sold it well enough or explained it well enough, should I say, why that altering that piece of his life story would fundamentally change him so much. I mean, I do think that they needed one more scene because all we got is like a few pictures. of Thor and Loki being brothers. And I do think if you got one more scene to realize, like, hey, if Thor doesn't witness evil, he can't really know what good is.

If he doesn't know what someone who's so irresponsible is, he can't learn responsibility. All you needed was a scene to really sell that. I totally agree with you. Because without that, you just got a very quirky and funny episode without, like, the emotional heft of, like, him just being alone,

his entire life, not having that camaraderie with a brother or even that competition with a brother that has driven Thor. And I think what made me realize that is we just got the Loki series. So we just realized how instrumental the brotherhood was to Loki and his understanding of who he was and not getting it in this episode. It was just a beat that they just needed to add in there, that I thought they missed. Yeah.

And it didn't only change Thor. it apparently changed Friga, too, because as soon as Odin went to the Odin's sleep, she poked his face and like, yo, I'm going to hang out with my sister in it. You know, so like... It changed her, but that's the real... That's very real.

That is kind of real. That is kind of real. That is kind of real. It's like, hey, you're going to be asleep? All right, man, we're about to go over here and watch real housewives of Asgard. You know, real housewives of the Nine Real Real Real Real Housewives of the Nine Real Realms. you think they watched reality TV

on NASCAR? Hell yeah, they got the intermentional cable like they do in Rick and Morty. That would be so crazy right there if Frig is watching like but it would be crazy if she actually watched

like the actual real housewives like they're actually watching that NASCAR, you know what I mean? Wait, but can I pose a real quick question to you? Can we just like we're dancing around the episode I want to get right to it? Did they have a big orgy in the middle of this with like Thor or the Warriors 3, Rocket Raccoon?

Like, everybody was just like, yeah, let's go at it. Kind of. Because I, people are what Disney did, right? So Disney, so Disney had everybody wake up, right? After this crazy night. And then Disney had Jane Foster wake up in a bed in a room by herself, slick. I'll tell you why I was slick because we all know. We all know what went down.

Because even Darcy knew. Darcy made a joke about it. Darcy, is that what the kids are calling it now? Even Darcy knew. But everybody, what's his name, was in there with some, he had some goats around him. It was going down. There was some good comedy in this episode.

My guy, Howard Dudk was back. And I feel vindicated by Howard DeDucke's appearance in this, by the way. Because he was getting it in. Because he was, once again, when I brought up the fact that in the Howard the Duck movie, Howard DeDuck had some chemistry with Leah Thompson. Everybody on this, I'm talking to you, Steve. I'm talking to you, Joe. me, I'm talking to you,

Coke Baby Chuck. Everybody was acting like something was crazy, yet you saw Howard do it again. This time to fucking Cat Dennings, who is ridiculously beautiful. And not only does Howard

get a little flirtation with her, one minute, they're going to the salad bar, or they're going to get some half-priced food or whatever. In the next minute, nuptials. My man, Howard, He's the man. Busy.

Like, just pulling up from half court, he's like, all right, you want some half, half off nachos? Boom. Mary. That was, also, Darcy, Darcy was kinkshaming. Jane Foster a little bit. And I'm like, all right, Darcy,

you're married to a duck. Let's not kink shame anybody here. You know what I'm saying? Howard to Duck, we got to, if Disney had the stomach, if they had the four, or two, they would give us a whole R-rated Howard to Duck animated series. Like a Harley Quinn level, like...

Like a Harley Quinn level piece of Howard to duck debauchery. I want Howard Duck bottery, is what I want. I want Doug bottery. I want Howard to duck all over. It doesn't have to be overtly violent or sexual or anything like that. I just want an R-rated Howard to Duck series is what I want. They bite around the edges with Howard. It's too cute.

Like even this episode, it was like a little wink-winky. I'm like, nah, they got to go all in. Got to go all in. So Loki comes back. He's now an ice giant. He is huge as an ice giant. I enjoyed seeing him because, you know, you only get to see him purple up a couple of times during the MCU. And him and Thor still have a great relationship.

I guess that's something else. So I guess when Loki takes control of the ice giants or maybe he is the guy, he has a friendlier relationship with Thor or maybe the ice giants and the Asgardians are getting on a little bit better because Odin actually found and rescued the prince and then brought him back to his people. And so then maybe it's hey, we're pals now. Like you could, you know, rather than keep the guy's goddamn son, which is weird. And then this is like, you know what I mean? This is a fucking Theon Greyjoy situation. And keep the guy's son.

And then, you know, raise him as your own. So Loki came back and he was kind of like Thor's cool, but still sort of Lokiish, irresponsible kind of guy. What did you think of Loki's appearance in this episode? When Loki was like, yo, you know, it's my brother from another mother. I'm like, damn, good one. That was the one that made me chuckle. I was like, you guys got me.

You guys got me. I love seeing Loki. I love seeing Thor together. Honestly, we already talked about it a little bit. I kind of wanted more Thor and Loki throughout this whole episode. I was just like, those two. always funny. But I will say, you brought this up earlier.

Where I do think that the episode did succeed is that, yo, give me Captain Marvel and Thor against each other. Like, let's go. Like, give me the stuff you're never going to do in the movies ever. But I think they copped out. They copped out because for those that don't know, little recap, Thor and his buddies are destroying Earth or party, party, partying.

Finally, Maria Hill's like, I've had enough. She brings out the beeper from the first Captain Marvel movie. she presses it. Captain Marvel comes to clean everything up. And her and Thor go at it. Van, do you think that they copped out by not basically being like this one is stronger than the other one? Yeah, they always do that. I hate that.

That's why the comics are, the, the MCU is amazing, but the comics are nourishing. You know what I mean? Because the comics, just because you take an L at one point doesn't mean you're going to take an L like forever. Sometimes in the comment, I remember one time where like Jubilee like beat up the Revers.

You know what I mean? Like she, you know what I mean? Like sometimes is either someone's specific power set like means so much or like somebody gets caught on a bad day.

They make a mistake. It doesn't mean anything to show one character actually definitively beating in another character. It doesn't mean they can beat them forever. it just means that, you know, that day in that fight on that page

and those panels they won. It's like the Hulk first, the thing fights. You know, you would always get like the Hulk versus the thing. The thing was always the loser. He was always the underdog. But there would be like a comic where like the thing just had a lucky day. He got a lucky shot in. And it's just like you know Hulk is still stronger.

But the whole point of the story is like the thing finally did. You know what I'm saying? Right. And these, yeah, you're absolutely right. And in these, they do something where both characters are so strong that they fight to a stalemate. No, let's, you know. Wait, who do you?

Like, let's get the people going. Who do you think would win an actual fight? Thor from the first Thor movie or Captain Marvel. I don't know where in the time frame she is, but around her first movie level, power level. Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel. Why?

I just think Captain Marvel is a little bit more powerful than Thor is, you know. Oh, just in that. MCU. I think so. I mean, to be honest with you, they've done a good job of depowery Thor to make the movies make sense. So, I mean, Thor is a super ridiculously powerful character, but I would still say that Captain Marvel,

maybe regular Captain Marvel, no, but certainly in her binary form. Like, she's probably going to kick Thor's ass a little bit. But I know it's tough. It's tough. But once again, it just, I don't think one is definitively stronger than the other one. But if I had to guess one, I would say Captain Marvel, but the reality is that that's a situation where they can go back and forth, either character can win a fight and nobody's going to, like, be up in arms about it. If you show Thor being up Captain Marvel, okay, you could do that if you see Captain Marvel beating up Thor, hey, that could happen. So just

give us a winner. God damn it. I think Captain Marvel, this version of her, more powerful than Thor. I think Thor Ragnarok version of Thor is coming out on top versus Captain Marvel. Well, Thor Ragnarok, he didn't even have his hammer. Yeah, but he had like the elect, like he was like more of a god of thunder. Like he was at like the peak of his ability. But he still wanted Stormbreaker when it was time to fight. He still needed a new weapon. Wait, actually, actually let me amend mine.

Okay. Infinity War, Thor. Bring me Thanos Thor? Yeah. Oh yeah, that guy's a G. That guy's a G. That guy's a G. That kind of G.

So let's be honest. Captain Marvel is not the most beloved. character in the MCU, right? They're going to kill us for saying this, but we, like, let's just say her movie was not well received. Right. She's not the most beloved character in the MCU right now. Things change.

Look, she's only had one movie, been in a couple others. A lot of places to go with Captain Marvel, and I'm excited about them. But don't you think being that that's the case, having her in the role of party pooper here was kind of them playing with the audience a little bit. You know, she comes in as the party pooper. And that's kind of playing with the audience a little bit. It's always a drag when Captain Marvel shows up. I'll ask you a question, serious question.

So in end game, you had cap grabbing a hammer. You had Avengers Assemble. You had, you know, on your left, you had what else? You had the A squad coming in. You had the Snap, I am Iron Man, whatever. the Iron Man Snap. Do you feel like Captain Marvel coming in and saving the day when she takes out, I guess that was sanctuary that was in the sky,

that was shooting down to people and raining fire on them? Do you feel like that was as a triumphant moment in the movie as the Marvel Brass thought that it was going to be? I'm asking you. Absolutely not. I would argue, I would argue that every single time Captain Marvel shows up, in one of these movies, she's just like the wagon teacher,

like, oh, you guys are messing the stuff up. I'm off world. Like, even at the end of, like, spoiler alert, at the end of Shang Chi, she doesn't come off as, like, cool. Like, Hulk is the one who gets to be like, hey, guys, welcome to the team. Everything's going to be weird from here.

And Captain Moves, like, sorry, guys, I got to go. I'm busy. Even in the beginning of, uh, end game, when she shows up, she's just like a hologram. She's like, has the weird haircut. She's just like, ah, stop fucking stuff. Weird. Wow.

Like she, what? Comment on a woman's appearance. God damn. Don't do that to me, Van. Don't do that. We appreciate your contribution. Steve, delete this. Don't, don't delete this out.

Don't, don't delete this to me. Here's the thing. Don't fucking delete a thing. Is this? They need to know who is there is. You're all trying to do me like Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig was just like, oh, I don't think there should be a like a woman bond. I think they should write better characters for women who are better than Bond.

Everybody's like, he said no women bond. And I'm like, guys, you didn't read the whole quote. My thing with Captain Marvel is I'm like, can't you just write better Captain Marvel roles? Why is you always the hero in every single movie who's there to, to your point, Van, be the party pooper. It's kind of depressing. Yeah, it's true.

It's true. Can I ask you a question? And maybe I missed this in the episode. Where were the Avengers? They wouldn't have been formed yet. The Avengers wouldn't have been formed yet. Because this is from, this is the time period of Thor, the original Thor.

Ah, the original Thor. So there are no Avengers. That's right. I mean, they're out there. Like, they're out there. Like, Iron Man is out there. And also, Nick Fury is unconscious. He gets a knock, so he's not going to get him together.

Yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying? He's off the board. You're trying to poke holes, but... I'm not trying to poke holes. It was pretty tight. It was a pretty tight episode. No, you're right.

I'm not trying to poke holes. I was just waiting for one of these other guys to show up, but you're right. They hadn't been formed yet. So that's why you have to bring in Captain home. Oh, wait. You want to know what was a character assassination that made no sense to me? What? They were making Jane Foster just, like, run out here.

She was acting like a simp the whole episode. I'm like, this isn't the Jane Foster that I know. She does kind of have a soft spot for Florida. But like, come on. She does kind of have a soft spot for Florida. She said, I love you after like one orgy. Like, come on, don't do my girl like that. Like, don't do her like that.

Sixth Steve says that Tony Stark would have been out there partying with him. That's probably very true sick old Steve. Steve would know. Steve would know. Steve would know. What a sick bastard. You guys, we were at Steve's house on Saturday night.

Me and Jomey. We went over there and we hung out with Steve. You would never, ever guess some of the stuff that Steve has in his house. Did he show you his dungeon? He has a dungeon.

Every different color. Beep that. People are going to know. Like, beep that. But people need to know. Go ahead and beep it. Beep it. One day we're going to, one day we're going to,

We're going to release the Midnight Boys. I'll take opening bids for the cut shit right now. Midnight Boys Uncut. No, people don't realize. We get wild. We get wild. The Midnight Boys uncut. But Steve was a sick bastard.

I had a lot of fun over there. Me, Jomey, and Steve, over there. We were doing, I think. We missed you, bro. But we're going to do it again when you get here. So, look, it ended on a very ominous note. We're going to wrap up the episode recap right now. out of a portal steps

an infinitely gauntlet version of Ultron and vision. It's Ultron and Vision with the Infinity Gauntlet. They spoiled this already. I was just like, all right. Right. I had questions. Why in the episode like this,

they are clearly projecting something that will end in a final battle with all of these characters coming back. It kind of gets to me wondering what if is wrapping up to. Now, obviously there was a what if mid-season trailer that dropped and in this mid-season trailer you could see a lot of these things a lot of stuff happened we know that we're going to see mara and thanos's suit we know that we're going to see uh dr strange supreme come back uh you know we know that a lot of these characters to come back

and there's going to be some sort of grand schism or big fight do you have seen that vision do you have any theories on where that vision came from where that vision ultron infinity gauntlet person is like what what is there anything that we've watched thus far that you feel like lends itself to the creation of that particular being i have no idea i'm not even going to act like i have any predictions i was just like oh cool i knew he was coming but yeah i the thing that i actually did think about do we think that we're getting to a point where the infinity gauntlet the infinity stones are starting to become like devalued as a storytelling device absolutely and they had do that. I know. I get that they had to do it. When I saw them do it in Loki, I was like, all right, cool,

funny, Infinity Stones, paperweight, cool. Then Zombie Thanos comes and he's like, oh, Zombie Thanos has the Infinity Gauntlet. What the fuck? And then they did it with Ultron. They're like, Ultron has the Infinity Stones and he's combined with vision. And I'm like, guys, by the third time you do it, I'm not, I'm no longer shocked. I'm just kind of like, all right, cool. Yeah, yeah, sure, Sure. All right. Like, I don't want to ever see the Infinity Stones again, if we're being honest. So, I mean, they had to do that because, you know, of course, like, even in comic books,

like you get to a situation to where at one point they introduced the ultimate nullifier. And the ultimate nullifier is a weapon that cannot be stopped. It is the greatest weapon in the universe. Well, it can't stay like that. Because if your story is going to evolve, then you have to find something that can either beat the ultimate. Nullifier, undo the ultimate nullifier, or it's more powerful, or someone that can withstand the ultimate nullifier. Or you have to

send it somewhere where nobody can get it, right? So they set up, they want to raise the stakes. So in order to raise the stakes, you have to lower them at the same time, and that's why I think they're doing that very, very purposely with the Infinity Sons. Because you can't. Because at this point, you know, if Kaine comes around and he's messing around, you know, and there's a Keng in your universe,

you don't like them, and the those infinite stones are going to work in your universe. Why don't you go grab all the infinity stones just defeat your cane? You know, so they have to do something to move the story along and they might, that's, you know, by giving them, by making them something that's formidable

and not unstoppable, that's what they might be trying to do. I think it's something that they had to try to do. The watcher got caught off guard. You see, he seemed surprised. Oh, ooh. You see, I like to see it a little emotion from the watcher. The watcher was like, oh, shit, dog.

because he was just like things that ended happily ever after. And he's like, oh, shit. And he was like, oh, fuck. I see this happening. It's like, yo, like, yo, man. Like, yo, live in tribunal. You watching this? Like, you, what above all?

Y'all seen this? Who is this guy? I don't know about this, dude. And it actually, it was actually funny to me. I laughed because, like, when I watched it, you look at the watch his face. And he's like, oh, oh, this, oh, snap. And have you noticed if the watchers getting close? to us?

Yes. He's getting closer to us. Like before long, man, the watcher is going to be eating wings with us down here on earth.

The watcher's getting closer to us. We see him. We see him and he was up above high. But now it's like he's watching the real housewise. He's like,

God, there's some crazy shit going on, man. I'm the watcher. I got to ask you this, Van, before we see the final episode, where is what if

ranked compared to other Disney plus Marvel shoe? This is our fourth so far. Where is it falling? Right. Now it's probably last. Yeah. Yeah.

What's your list? What's your list? My list goes, Loki 1. Falcon and Winter Soldier 2. I related to the Falcon and Winter Soldier. I'm sorry, guys. They hate you for this take, but it's the right take.

They hate me. They hate me for this take. They hate me for this take. They hate me for this take. Falcon and Warrior Soldier 2. Wanda Vision 3. What if 4? That's the list for me right now.

Is there any way with the last episode that it can beat Wanda Vision or there's just no way at this. There's a couple of episodes left. And yeah, there is. Wait, there's a couple episodes left. Yeah, there's a couple episodes left. Oh, Jesus. Am I right about this? John me to explain there.

Jump in. There are two episodes left. I believe there's the Gomorra, you know, as Thanos episode. And then the big, you know, climactic battle in episode nine. You ever been running and you're like, all right, I only got like one mile left. You, like, I just heard we got two miles left and I'm like, oh, man. But Star Wars Vision next week. I'm looking forward to it.

Shut up. Shut up, Chuck. You're hating now. I'm looking forward to the stuff. You called what if number four. Well, you also said Wanda Vision was third. Wanda Vision is. I think there's a discussion to be had, but.

There's definitely a discussion to be had. A lot of people, a lot of, nobody agrees with that, but that's what I think. Jemmy? I think the first few episodes, or actually the middle part of WandaVision episodes four through seven, better than anything in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. That's a lie. It's kind of like whack.

No. I think it's true though. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not right. I think Falconin and the winter. Falconinian soldier had the whole internet going nuts. Who is power broker?

Who is the PB? B.B.N.J. It's eternally dinked for me for doing that quicksilver reveal and then be like, ha he's Mr. Poopie Pants and I'm like, okay, wait, wait. This is like, you make a great point though. Like, and we, this is something that, and this is something that we've talked about off air, but they tease, you know,

Reed Richards. They, you guys, people read into stuff, right, that the show was not giving you, right? I, you can, I, something I talked about with, I think Arjuna, at some point in Steve and Mao, when the show was airing was just like, we're not getting any of this.

Like we were having these conversations episode like six, episode seven. I'm like, y'all, like, there's only how much time can we like introduce all these characters? And I think that's fundamentally the problem because. But I think, but it was so at what stretches is so uninteresting that we were looking for something to pop? But is that on the show? Is that on you? I think that there are moments in the show. That's not on the show. If Quicksilver appears, that's on the show.

Quicks over for sure. Like I can understand the Ralph Bonner thing is dumb. You know what I'm saying? Like it's dumb. Silver appears, that is on the show. And the last episode devolved into a cheesy CGI battle between the protagonist and the antagonist. Of course.

That is on the show. I'm not saying that the show doesn't have demerits. I'm not saying it's perfect, right? What I'm saying is you can't blame the show for other people reaching, right? Taking stuff out of, like, oh, man, that's supposed to be important. That's not on the show. The whole internet agrees with you liking Wanda Vision better than Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Can you let Van and I just have this?

I just think he was better than Wanda Vizier. Everybody agrees. By the way, the best thing about the show, I loved what Elizabeth Olson did and to be able to, I loved watching her. But it just got away from itself. It was very inventive, very amazing television. But I think I liked Falcon and the Winter Soldier better.

I'm not saying Falklandavision. We're just like, No, no, no. Is that we liked Falcon and the Winter Soldier better. That's not taking anything away from Wondon. Midnight Court. No, because we're going to lose it. It's midnight court.

We're not going to lose. I don't care. I like those. The whole internet disagrees with us. I know. Midnight court, though. Midnight court. Jomey, pick whoever you want to come with you in midnight court.

I'm going to get, I'm going to get Paul Bettney and Elizabeth Olson. I love that. I love both of those people. I love Wad Division, by the way. But I would say that's the ranking right now with Hawkeye, almost assured to be five. Whoa. Whoa. Hey.

All right, that is it on what if episode seven. What If Thor had been born and only child in closing, I think it was a fun episode. I think it was a lighter episode. Not the best offering from What If right now, but still enjoyable. I feel like I'm enjoying this series a lot more than you are, Charles. I feel like you are like having a little what if

fatigue? Like, what if Charles... If we're being honest, I'm not hating the series. I don't think I've been like, oh, this is the worst thing ever. I'm just like, oh, not for me. I understand it's not for me. I kind of feel like the internet is... is a little bit at a similar place. Like, there's nowhere near the type of like, like, fervor around what if that there was for Wanda Vision or Falcon. It does seem like people are, or even Loki, like people seem very much like, okay, uh, we got it. Okay, I'm with that, I understand.

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We don't hate DC. They think we do. We don't hate DC, guys. We're going to DC tomorrow. You don't hate DC. What a dad joke. Jeez. It is a dad joke.

There is a dad joke. So what? We want to take a time and step away from the MCU a little bit and talk about some of the other things. things that should be on our radar. We listen to you guys in the Facebook group and in our mentions. Remember, hashtag save joamy.

We've taken a look at a few of these things and wanted to give our thoughts on some of the properties you've been talking about. There are not going to be any spoilers here because we realize that people are in different stages and watching some of this stuff. So we're not going to do our best not to spoil it. But we're going to start with a show that like I, guys, guys, confused because I was driving down the street and I saw this billboard and it said

463 of all the CEOs die and it said why the last man and I was like I thought that was a question I thought it was like I'm not even joking I thought that was a question I thought it was like why the last man like why the last man why the last man why the last man why the last man I didn't I come home but I like I go

Hey, you ever, what's this? Did you see the show that's asking a question why the last man? Like, isn't there something missing from the sentence? And who you goes, no. Why is the last man? And I'm like, what? And she was like, all the men die. And there's one guy left.

And I guess his name is why or there's something about him that's why or something. She's like, there's no question mark, idiot. She was so disappointed. It's chromosome. It's the chromosome. It's the chromosome. Steve, Steve, what? bring it in here because I've seen the first episode of Why the Last Man, you're caught up,

you've seen all four. For those that don't know, why the Last Man was a critically acclaimed comic book by one of my favorite comic writers of all time, Brian K. Vaughn. You know him from such hits his saga, X Machina, Paper Girls, on and on. Love Brian Kvon. This TV show has been in development for years. Like, this is something that people have been waiting for, finally hit TV, let's just say, it has not been received warmly. The story is that all of the men with the Y, the critics don't like it. The story of the show and the story of the comic book is that all of the men who have a Y chromosome die. Everybody with a Y chromosome is like wiped out, except Yorick and his pet monkey ampersand. And they have to figure out why all of the

chromosomes have gone and why everybody who is biologically a woman is still on planet Earth. Steve, did I get everything basically the gist of the series? Pretty much, yeah. That's pretty much been it. It's been a contentious couple of bits of development for this show so much that they've even recorded or they taped one whole pilot and then threw that in the trash and then recast the titular character, Yorick, and did it all again. Wait, what?

Yeah, they taped a whole pilot with, with, a different actor, realized that it wasn't working, and then taped it again, which is odd for... Yes. A lot of money to be thrown around for Hulu and FX, just to be figuring out a pilot. Having caught up with all four of these episodes, I can say that, Charles, you've only seen the first episode. The show, in my opinion, is getting incrementally better with the passing of each episode. We can look at Yorick and probably see that he's probably the worst part of this show. because he is, he's annoying.

In the books, he's, like, I would like to call him, he's a lovable dipshit. Like, he's kind of just like a dumb, happy go lucky out of work escape artist. And in this show, he is kind of actively kicking and screaming against his purpose and all of this of his responsibility to kind of figure out what is going on

and why he is the one that is remaining. I can easily say that the character of 355 is why you should watch the show. Agent 355 tasked with protecting and figuring out why York is there is probably one of the coolest parts of the show. She's incredible. A lot of the other female members of this cast is great. I think it's updated in a very good way. It addresses the existence of trans characters very well and is a premise that's pretty well established for making a good show. and I think it's finding its footing, albeit a little slowly.

I encourage Charles to stick with it. Yeah, I'm on the sense. Stick with why the last man. You're on the fence. Why are you on the fence? I love Brian Kvon. I love the original comic. I do think that there's two things going on.

The first is that watching a show about a pandemic during a pandemic. Not great. It's not great. Like Sweet Tooth on Netflix, watched the first couple episodes, loved it, think they handled the pandemic aspect of that show a little bit better, but it's just rough. The first episode is like basically reliving the last year and a half of our life.

And it's like, it just put me in a bad mood. And I'm just like, ooh, this just came out at the wrong time. It is bad timing for a show like this to just see like the end of the world again in such a horrific way. Yeah. And I do think that, you know, before we go on to the next show, I do think that we've all evolved as people. in terms of just like the politics of sexuality,

of gender of all of these things, why the last man was not written during that time. And now seeing it, I'm just like, oh, they're trying to kind of retrofit an old way of thinking into a new show. They're doing a commendable job of it,

but you can kind of see the seams. And I'm like, ooh, maybe they should have just left this on the cutting room floor. But that's all I have on why the last man, like Steve said, I'm going to keep with it, see if it kind of gets a little bit better.

Okay, so we also have DC's Titans. Titan, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight. Everybody's been telling us, they're just like Titans. You got to talk about Titans. I love Titans. Really? Are you caught up? Yeah, for them all caught up in Titans.

I refuse to watch it. Jami jump in. I'm here. I'm here. You got to lock in on Titans, Charles. Can you guys sell me on Titans because I saw all the promo a while ago? I've seen scenes. I got to be honest.

I was like, I love the Titans more than anything. I can't watch them be. Obviously, you don't like them. I obviously you don't like that much. Whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I love the comic books. I love the Teen Titans, the Titans, the original show. I love Teen Titans.

If you love the Titans this much, how could you not give the show a chance? Yeah. It looks shaky. I'm going to be honest. No, you know, you got to slide in.

I think Charles just doesn't, I think he wants it to just be Teen Titans and it's not that. And anything that's not that is not. It's not. It's really not. Like, it's, you know, they're all, you know, grown up adults, you know, and you have to, you know, in the show, they start off and they're just together. You know, there's no real explanation of how they, you know, came together. But in this series, you know, you see Raven, you see Starfire, you see Nightwing and you see Beast Boy, like have to, you know, find each other.

Boy! And become a team, yeah, you know. It's essentially like in, you know, the Nightwing show will never get, right? like this is, you know, the nightwing hour. He's great. He's great in this show. There's a lot of great. Give me a grade for the show because a lot of people have been saying that it gets better in season three, but you got to stick with it.

Well, season one was the roughest season to me, to be honest. That's what I'm afraid of. Season one looked rough. Season one was the roughest season to me. Season two, the show really found itself and what it is. I mean, season one was basically, you know, them all coming together. Season two is when the show really found itself and what it is. season three now, to me, they're hitting the strides of being a really, really, really great

television show. You know, I give the show a strong B to a B plus. A strong B to a plus. What's an A plus to you in our realm? An A plus show, a television show, Loki. Okay. One run below Loki, really? I mean, no, it's not one low.

A, Locke is an A plus. This is a B. So it's like, it goes A plus, then A, yeah. All right. B minus if I'm being like you, which is skeptical and down on everything. But it's definitely a B of a show. See, me, I give Superman and Lois and A.

So I like Superman on us. So I'd say a B for Titans. Titans, it's a great show. Titans, it's, there's enough interplay, enough, there's stakes, you know, you know, these aren't all characters who are going to make it towards the

towards the end, you know what I mean? And there's such an influx of like new characters that come in, pop in, show up.

They're like, oh, I didn't remember them from the comics or I remember them from the show. You know, so it's,

it's an enjoyable show. You should lock in. What about Doom Patrol? Now, I got to be honest with you guys about something about Doom Patrol. Doom Patrol made me tap out. I wasn't expecting this.

I thought you were going to go hard. I thought you liked Doom Patrol. I did like Doom Patrol. Doom Patrol just got too weird. It, Doom Patrol tested limits of, like, there's got to be some sort of narrative that I can hang on to. And that's the thing with me. Doom Patrol was a very fun show to watch,

quirky show to watch, a good show to watch. It's like an otherworldly type of feel to the show. And they really nailed that about, you know, how the comic is and, you know, how the Doom Patrol has been, both the old dual patrol and the newer Doom Patrol, but season two of Doom Patrol started to become a situation to where it just frustrated me

how off the wall the show really was. For me, personally, I'm not saying that people, it's not a show that people should like or people should get into, but like, I found myself watching Doom Patrol as a chore to stick with it

rather than looking forward to new episodes of Doom Patrol. Tell me, Are you caught up on Doom Patrol? So I'm going to be completely honest with you guys. I started Titans and Doom Patrol at the same time. I was like, let me go back and forth and see, you know, just like watch them, you know, concurrently. And I fell off on Doom Patrol.

I couldn't. I could egg with it. Guys, guys, we were doing this segment. So, you know, the Midnight Mob, which, you know, we show love to D.C. And y'all telling me, Doom Patrol ain't it. I think to advance point, it's like, it's, out there, right?

And where, like, Titans is very grounded. Like, they want you to believe, like, this is real, you know, like, this could happen. Doom Patrol is just on another, on the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of what it wants you to believe. And so I'm sure, like, you know, that, I'm sure there's a point to where, you know, it comes back around, but I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't waiting to wait it out. All right, so we got to recommend for Why the Last Man from Steve. We got to recommend from Van and Jomi for Titans.

And right now for Doom Patrol, Van and Jomi are telling me not worth it in the nicest way possible. Not saying not worth it. Saying not for me. Your mileage may vary. Mileage may vary. You can give it a shot. Yeah, you can give it a shot.

You might love it. Nah, you guys get one rack. And y'all spoke highly of Titans. So I'm going to do Titans because we're about to talk about what I think is the crown jewel of what's happening, even though, you know, the internet's mad at it now, but like fuck all that shit. Guys, Ted Lassow.

Best show ever. Woo! It's enough. Ted Lassow, man. It's like, all right, guys, can I, can I be real? You want to know what I hate about the internet? I'll shoot a nigga for Ted Lassow. Here's the thing, Ted Lassow.

Can we have good things? I'll run through a wall for 10 Lassow. The internet is just like, everybody likes 10 Lassow. Ted Lassow is basic. I'm like, can we just have one show? show that makes us all feel good and it's fine. I don't care. Like, I, like, I just want to enjoy myself every single Friday when I sit down to watch a new episode. Ted is hilarious. Like,

oh, man, I love this show. How are you guys feeling about the second season without any spoilers? I got to be honest with you. I love it. People were going in saying, hey, the second season fell off a little bit. Not to me. And the last episode that they just put out of the second season is one of the best episodes of television I've seen in a long time. Listen, Ted Lassau is a show that doesn't beat you over the head with the themes of the show. They just put the characters in a place to be influenced by each other, and they let the comedy, the heart, and the healing come. And I fucking dig it.

I dig it. Is there a little bit of a small part of it, the show that just is an antidote to some of the vitriol and the fucking animus that we see out in today's society, sure. Sure, there's a feel-good aspect to it. But also you have well-written characters that learn lessons that are willing to learn lessons. And that's spearheaded by the leader of the entire group, which is Ted Lasso, a guy who is just realizing that there's still a lot of things in his life that he needs to learn and a lot of things in his life that he needs to talk about. And I can relate.

I love Ted Lasso. Look at fuck. Ted Lassau went out there and it won all of these Emmys and it deserved every fucking one. Every single one. Can I ask you? This is my theory about why people are so,

like at least critics are starting to be like so anti-Tad Lassow. I think we're in a phase of like peak TV where everybody thinks that like every comedy has to be like in Atlanta. It has to be like this this thing that's showing us all the things about race and blah blah.

When Ted Lassow is more to me like in the vein of like a Scrubs. It's more in the vein of like a Parks and Rec. Something that's funny makes you feel good. You want to hang out with the characters. It is like a classic sitcom. And I think that's fine. I actually enjoy that about it. It does like you said, it doesn't hit you over the head with its themes. It's just funny with characters that you want to chill with. It's funny that you mentioned Scrubs because Bill Lawrence, the creator of Scrubs, is the head guy on this show. Yeah. And to your point, Van, about like this, people saying this season isn't as good as season

season one. Season one was like literally perfect, right? It's like absolutely perfect. It's like Janus, you know, having the MVP and the DPOI year, you know what I'm saying? Coming back next year, there's no topping that, right?

Like, it's still a great season, you know, but we don't need to be like, oh, man, it's just not season one. It's still great. The haircut scene. Oh, so great. So good. It's probably the funniest moment.

the series has ever had, even if season one is better, the haircut scene when that happened, I'm like, oh, man, this is Jesus. This is the best of ever seen. Wait, can I pitch you guys on one show? If I could pitch you on one show, I do think shout out to the watch. You guys have to watch Reservation Dogs. Oh, yeah, I've watched it. It's amazing.

It's a great show. It's amazing. I like reservation dogs because I just want to learn some new shit. I want to get into a new world and see some different characters represented. And not just for the sake of, of being represented for the sake of their story. Can I just talk about reservation dogs for one second? It's not that I want to see diversity for the sake of diversity.

I want to see diversity for the sake of humanity. I want to see stories about people. You know, reservation dogs caused me to go onto Netflix and watch a documentary about a basketball team from a reservation, I think, in Arizona. and how much basketball meant to them. It made me like dip my toe into the rhythms and the feelings of a different culture.

Not for the sake of saying that I did it, but for the sake of them, for the sake of their culture, for the sake of what they go through, for the sake of the beauty and for the sake of the experience that they actually bring and give us. That's the enriching part about the show.

People watch these shows like their chores. They're not chores. They're people. And that's like, that's why, I like the show. This is stuff I enjoy hearing and seeing other shit because it's different and it's beautiful and it makes me feel a part of them. So reservation dogs is good not because it's different.

It's good because it's good. I will say this. This has nothing to do. The reason I love reservation dogs is I'm like, it plops you in a new place that we never get to see on TV. And says deal with it. They're like, yo, this is our slang. This is where we live. Rock with it.

They don't over-explain it. It's almost like watching the Sopranos when you're like, oh, like this is about like an Italian family. This is like a mob story, but this is about like Italians eating food, arguing with people. It drops you in. It's like, all right, we're going on a ride. Reservation Dogs is like, we're going to drop you in a place that never gets represented and we're just going to show you how we live.

Like you said, it is not a chore. It's just funny. Like, I laugh. It's just. I laugh more just being like, I don't even get half the references, but I just love it. Like, you guys got to try this show. I love this show. It's a great show.

All right. I was going to ask who is Marvel's Ted Lassow, but I think we all know who it is. Who's Mar-What's Ted Lassau? Captain America. Yes. Don't let Jomey hear that. Don't let Jome hear that.

Why, Jomey, who do you think? Ted Lassow could be Captain America, but Captain America could never do Ted Lassau. All right. All right. Cut his Mike. No, I mean, listen, listen, it's a state fact. He basically is Captain.

He basically is Ted Lassow. I mean, there's a thing, though, like Ted Lassau never lied to his homies, you know what I'm saying? I was just going to say, guys, before we go to Mailbag, because this episode is already long as hell, you weren't wrong about Animatrix. You were firing on All cylinders, man. Animatrix has me so hype for Matrix. Locked. Locked in. So locked in. It's better than the other two.

Like, it's Matrix and then the Animatrix and then the other two. Yep. Locked in. We're locked in. So I'm just going to say, for Matrix 4, like just learn from the animatrix. I just want, tell me heartfelt stories about man versus machine. That's it.

Like, the stunts are cool. We want to see the stunts. We want to see all of that. But just give me a nice allegory. Like, just make me cry a little bit. I love the animatrix. Want to support your gut health? Take Activia's gut health challenge by enjoying two Activio yogurt today for two weeks and

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It's time for Midnight Mail. The Midnight Mail. Thank you to everyone who submitted audio questions to us. From now on, we're only going to rock with audio submissions. So you have to talk to us. So you get a voice memo on your phone and send it to us. Steve hit us with the first audio message of Midnight Mail. Hello, my name's Ian from Phoenix, Arizona.

I just want to say what's up to the Midnight Boys of Anne and Charles, especially Jomey and Bo Bonum. Oh, my bet I met I met Steve. But my question is, is there a side-sat truth that you think is underrated or that you recommend? For me, the most recent Planet of the Apes movies are severely underrated and I'd like to see more of them. Please and thank you. What science fiction trilogy is underrated? Planet Apes is a fantastic example.

Those movies were amazing. Is that a trilogy? I thought there was more than three of those. No, well, it was just the three, right? It was dawned the planet of the apes, rise of the plenty of apes, and then war of the planet of the apes. I love those movies. Rise of the Planet Apes and now it's War of the Planet of the Apes.

Steve once said that War of the Planet of the Apes is something that happens every Saturday night in Compton. God. Come on, Van. You got to stop. Enough.

You got to stop. You're going to get this bad castle. I'm sorry. He being racist is a pretty good bit. I will say that. Steve is, so not racist guys he's like

he's so not racist Steve what's crazy too somebody's gonna believe you and hit up Steve and be like I see the vision Steve he's the nicest

guy yeah Steve justice for January 6 let's go oh god if you're not if you're not careful yo

we ain't doing this in my man Steve anymore oh my god we ain't doing this in my name I wish I could have, I wish I could bring something that was better than that, but I think Planet Eapes is like the, I think Plenty Apes is the, I think that's the best, I think that's the best example. Because there are not too many other trilogies, full trilogies that I could think are like super

underrated, you know what I mean? So, but the Planet Eapes trilogy is criminally underrated. So I would have to say that. I can't think of any more off the top of my head. I can think of one that I think to me is very, very underrated. Okay. As time has passed. I feel like as a society, we forget. we forget how good those first two X movies were. Like we, like, as time goes on, the MC. Like the original X-Men?

Like X-1, X-2, and X-3 is not great. The original X-Men is a legitimately bad movie. Whoa. Oh, that's there. The original X-Men? X-Men. Yeah. Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart.

Every, that's a bad movie. X-Man 1. X-Men 1. The original X-Men is a legitimately bad movie. Wow. Interesting. Okay. All right. We're not doing this today.

You're not doing what the disrespect. You know what the crazy thing is? Let me tell you what the crazy thing is. I know why y'all feel this way. Y'all feel this way because y'all much younger than me. And so y'all watch that shit as kids. I was 20 when that shit came out. And when we went to see that movie, everybody was disappointed.

Like everyone was. To me, the first X-Men, the, the first X-Men, X-2 is great. The first X-Men is a legitimately, like, a bad movie. Is it worse than X-3? Hell no. Okay, for sure. For sure.

Like, X3 is something different. X-Men is bad, but it's still something to where we all went. It's not bad. It's still something to where we all went. The next one is going to be like fantastic. They just had to get a lot of stuff out of the way. I would argue the first X-Men is iconic. He's iconic.

I mean, that's generational. I'll be honest with you. That's generational. Next question. Hi, Midnight Boys. This is Jessica. A Midnight writer, definitely not part of the Midnight Gang. I love your show.

I love watching whatever shows you're about to talk about and then listening to you guys. My question is, what show do you currently not talk about or you haven't talked about that I should be watching? I know you referenced Superman and Lois occasion a couple times and I definitely want to watch that show. It has finale, but is there any other shows that have been on in the past like a year or so during COVID that I should be checking out as well? Thanks. Have a great day. P-p-phew. So positive.

Love it. Yo, Van, what shows are you rocking with? Let's see. Lupin. Lupin. Hell, yeah. Looping is a show that we don't talk about that I really enjoy. Lupin is dope as hell.

If you get a chance, check out Lupin. It's over there on the old Netflix. So if you get a chance, check out Looping. I like looping a lot. So we already talked about a lot of them. You know, my number one for everybody, the midnight mob, midnight writers out there, run those reservation dogs numbers up.

My favorite show of the year. Ted Lassow killing it. Recently finished mayor of East Town. Phenomenal. Just phenomenal. Like Kate Winslet, oh man, Zabel. Fucked Zabel.

I'm your boy. Come out. Mayor of East Town. Yeah, I think those are the three that like this year, I'm just absolutely rocking with. Yo, Jomey, Steve, y'all got anything? I think the show that I want people to start watching, and we talked about the last time we did Mid-NadMail bag,

Laura Dex, man, Star Trek, Laura Dex. I'm not a huge Star Trek fan. Like, I saw the new movies, and I was like, all right, this is cool. And Star Trek Laura Dex came out on the old Paramount Plus, and I was like, hey, I'll slide it. I love it. It's so much fun.

It's like, you know, it's like a workplace comedy you know in Star Trek we forget all the you know the bridge officers and everything what about the people who make the ship work you forget that there's like 3,000 people on that ship

yeah and it's just so much fun the adventures get into like the comedy the characters everyone should be watching get a Paramount Plus subscription and start watching Star Trek lower decks cool that's actually good so I like Star Trek I like Star Trek that's dope

Let's dope. Lower decks. Swab the decks. Swab them up. All right, next. My midnight boys, yes. This is Ian from Seattle. First, I just want to say I'm a male carrier up here. And I started around the same time you guys started. So thank you for being on this journey with me. And my question is, if you could recast the original Avengers squad, 2012 Avengers, who would you cast and why? All right. Thank you guys so much. Love you all. You all got to prep us for these questions. That's a big question.

You know what? I'm going to take that question on the next episode. All right? You want to put a pause in that one? Yep. Yep. So that's such a good question. Yeah. We should just, we should have a segment for that. Yeah. That's such a good question that we're going to, what's his name again? This is Ian from Seattle.

Ian from Seattle. So we're going to do an Ian from Seattle segment. We're going to recast. Wow. You scored Ian. We're going to recast on the next Midnight Boys. We're going to recast the 2012 Avengers. He gets a midnight gold star. He gets a really good question, man.

That was a really good question. It's a midnight hat. That's the first bit of merch we got, midnight hat. Midnight hat. He gets a midnight hat. He gets to be a midnight hat. Now, we don't got no hats for you. That's the kind of thing.

But he gets a midnight hat. We got like a cowboy hat. Like midnight. He gets a midnight hat. That's a great question. a great question. So a whole segment dedicated to you. Last one. Hi, my name is Susie.

I'm a big fan of the show. And one thing I love is when Charles pitches ideas and Van gives a green light or a red light. So my question is, can you please pitch some ideas for romance-centered MCU films? I don't mean where romance

is incidental to the plot, but is sort of the main drive of the movie. It can be a rom-com or a big weepy romantic drama. It can start current characters or future ones. I'm not picky. I just think if Kevin Faggy believes superhero movies can explore all these different genres, then why not romance? I know you all are a wellspring of ideas. So let's go. Please, for all your romance fan listeners out there, or maybe it's just me, but thank you so much. Can I pitch one to you, Charles? Yeah, of course.

I'll give you, I got a few, you pitch mine. And Joe, me, Steve, I think we should all give Red light, green light, yellow light. Okay, he's going. Perfect. Mine is called a weekend in Budapest. Jesus Christ. And it's about the mission in Budapest and about the one time that Black Widow and Hawkeye

thought that they were going to die and they let their relationship go a little bit too far. And it's told by, It actually is told not from the time that it's happening in Budapest. It actually starts out during a conversation between them. You know when it cuts away on Vormir, where it cuts away and it comes back to them, they've talked about this during that time before Natasha sacrifices or something. Because you know, they're on Vormir, it cuts away and it cuts back to them on Vormir.

Like, during that time, they had a conversation about the one time that things went a little bit too far in Budapest and how they were there, how they always had this attraction to one another, how they've never talked about it. They talk about it then, and that's the whole movie. And at the end, that's how they both are so okay with sacrificing each other for themselves. sacrificing themselves for each other, should I say, because they've finally gotten

all of these things off their chest. I'm going to be real. I'm going to give that a yellow light. Because I don't know if I want to see Jeremy Renner. This will be very important when we recast our 2012 Avengers. Yeah, I don't know, maybe. I just don't want to imagine Jeremy Renner

as Scarlett Johan having sex. So I'm going to give that a yellow light. For the sake of the story, I'll also give it a yellow light because I think a big question is, Does this happen when Clint has a family or not? It does. Oh, boy.

Oh. It does. No, I can't allow that. It does. What you mean? Clint's a dubious dude already. We can't have him straight up. No.

It happens. Not to be that guy, but the timeline would suggest that, like, it was a while ago. Because Natasha had been, you know, a Russian spy. And she'd been in Shield, you know, like, we're talking. and like maybe like because she was young like it had like they left for russia in like 96 right so this is before 2008 because iron man two happens six months after iron man one it's a great story also this had been talked about before but like if we reexamine the amount of times that nat and clint were weird in front of clint's family it's kind of a lot like she has a necklace that he gave him

that she carries for him through like all of winter soldier I'm telling you, it went down. Like, she was still quiet on that farm and Ultron, too. It's kind of, it is kind of weird, but I, I think the timeline was it just that if they did, if Budapest happened before, he might have, you know, he might have had a girlfriend maybe, but he definitely didn't have kids back then. But I'm, I'm with, I'm with Charles and Steve. I'm going to give it a yellow light. I like the premise. I think, you know, be interesting to see, you know, those characters together, like, actually, like, you know, bond.

Because they just tell us that, you know, they're close. You know, they have like one or two moments. And by the way, this movie, three nights in Budapest, a weekend in Budapest, is rated NC17. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Hard red. You are digging yourself the deepest, deepest, deepest. My first one, Young Avengers, I think if that's a Disney Plus series, it should all be about the teenage romance

between Wiccan and Hulkling. Obviously, you have hijinks with all of their friends and all of the Young Avengers like, but blah, blah, blah, blah. But the heart of that story is like the first queer love story in the Disney Plus MCU universe between Wiccan and Hulkling. My second one is that I think the next Spider-Man movie should have venom in it. But we age up Tom Holland and Zendaya and it's a marriage movie.

I think those two like go to Vegas, run away, get married. All the people in their life are like, this is crazy. And they got to fight off like venom and carnage and people. who are trying to ruin their honeymoon. Those would be my two. That's him. Joe, me, Steve, quickly. Young Avengers, does that get a green light?

I'm green lighted, by the way. Green light for that, yes. You know my Green, my Young Avengers agenda. That's a green light for me. And then Spider-Man, a marriage story. Green, yellow, red. Yellow light swap, venom for Deadpool, and we're good. Vennem for Deadpool.

Yellow, yellow light. Deadpool's always had a crush on Spider-Man. I want that to be pursued. I want Spidey ducking Deadpool's advances all the time. Yeah, if you swap Spidey for Deadpool, that's a yellow light. I don't want to see Venom in Vegas ruining Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Venom's been horny for all the wrong reasons. I just don't.

He's too much being in love with himself. Right? Like people, there's no way. The question, we'll answer this on the Venom one. I always wonder, is Venom there when like, what's, what's his face is all right we'll see you guys

next week with Star Wars Visions right that's a wrap for us you guys on the Midnight Boys Friday make sure to join Mal

for a deep dive into Star Wars Visions we will be back taking a look at Star Wars Visions next week I am so excited for Star Wars Visions

is going to be a lot of fun and the return of anime I'm in so I'm in I'm up to my neck in anime I'm up to my neck in anime I'm up to my neck and anime. I am the Crunchyroll King right now.

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