The Ringer-Verse - 'Wicked: For Good' Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

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M.T. is my guy. Voss, fuck with me, though. I fuck with Voss, man. Y'all can say what the fuck y'all want to say, man. That's the homie. All right, it's a homie. All right, on Monday, Budmash is covering the surprise Steam sensations. Okay, I got it, I got that out of the way. Next week, House of Ar is giving you this, Stranger Things Deep Dive. Stranger Things Deep Dive.

Can I ask you a question about Steam? Yes. Yeah. So, Steam is a platform where you, You play or buy video games? Both. So Steam is a console. No, it's like an application that you run on your computer.

Like, think of it like, okay, not like Netflix for video games, but it's kind of like that. We're like, you install the program. It has this like basic, a big shop where you can buy the games. It's all resting there in that like user experience. But it also kind of is a console because they're bringing out the new, the cube. They replace it like Xbox better be careful. The game cube. Yeah.

So Steam is a. Steam is replacing the GameCube. There's a Steam box. No, no, no. It's literally like a console. It's a console. It's a console that looks like a game game game. It's a console that has steam on it that you can plug me into your TV so you don't need to buy a PC.

Yeah, and then there's like a Steam deck, which is like a Nintendo Switch, but it's steam. When does the Steam console come out? Sometime in 2026. I think that's $500. Is it like $500? No price yet. Probably, but it's probably going to be more than $500. Yeah, they're about to kill.

They're about to kill the console wars. So wait a second here. Before we move off this, are there games that are only, Steam that are not on either of these consoles? Yes. Yes. Okay. All tons, because it's a lot of independent games.

Yeah. Okay. So then, nice. So then do these games play the exact same way that they play on the console? Yes and no. There are like a lot of games that are optimized for controllers and like TVs and stuff like that, which is why you have something like the Steam deck where you can easily port all of those things to it.

But other things that you're just like, okay, this is an old game from like 1993 that is just like the original Doom. you can just play on your mouse and keyboard like that. Did I ever tell you about the time that me and Jibril, we started playing that Doom? Which Doom?

The first Doom. The very first one. But then we would also play AZ Doa Die at the same time. What? A Z Doa Die? A. Z.

What games? I've never heard of this game. So, no, AZ is a rapper. Oh, I was like AZ. Oh, this isn't a game. I was just like, what? So AZ, let me tell you something. Oh, okay.

So AZ, first of all, AZ is one of the most underrated rappers ever. But that first AZ. 95. Doa die. So we would play Doom, but then we would put AZ doa die at the same time. And we almost became weird niggers, bro. We was in a weird trans playing Dune. Doom with that A-Z going at the same time.

Like, people would come in, they would be like, we was, like, ordering pieces. The piece of boxes is stacking up. And people would come in, they would be like, hey, y'all want to play basketball? And we would be like, no, because we was in a trans. Yeah. Like, we was in a trance playing Doom on the computer with that AZ Doa-Dai. In-Sal-J-A-C almost. I'm saying it almost happened.

You wouldn't say until because he wanted to be there. I could see how it could happen. We was we was just The AZ with Doom No sound on Doom Doom just Just just right out just just Doom is off

Oh yeah that's dumb is not doom is That's dark We would just So do so the room is like blacked out We playing Doom Okay I don't like this is playing And this is going on for a long time Did any women ever come into the room

And be like this is Well what happened Was our other homeboy Ryan Ryan Davenport was like, hey, bro, we're going to catch him, we're going to play basketball, and then after that, the girls is going to come to the house.

Are you guys regular? That's literally what he said. Are you in the right by? He goes, are y'all regular? Are y'all regular? Or y'all just going to be playing the Doom with the A. Z. Doa die,

and we had to make a decision. What decision was made? Man, we cleaned the domino's boxes out. Good. They went and played basketball. Good. And then it was like Marie Afi and all of the girls. We hung out with them.

He was locked in. We was locked in. But there was a point when we was hanging out even with the girls. We watching the movie, the original bad boys. We was watching it. And we were watching the movie. And we're thinking. Yeah.

We could be playing Doom. We could be playing Doom right now with the A-Z. I'll tell you guys right now, take the original doom and put A-Z Doa-Di in the background It's different. It's different, bro. It's different. It's different.

Is this your, like, Pink Floyd Wizard of Oz type shit? It is, because, like, when we got to college, people was like, if you take Pink Floyd, dark side in the moon, you play the Wizard of Oz. And I was like, the same shit is true with Doom and that A-Z-D-O-D-A-Dy. Wow. That syncs up perfectly. You don't fucking know, bro.

I apologize. All right. Now, next one is the Midnight Boys is giving you their white girl movie draft. We had so much fun. Yeah, man. We know these movies better than we thought that we did. Yeah.

We left some out, though. They're going to kill us. Like, on social, they're actually getting in. We can only pick so many. Oh, yeah, there's only got 20 options. You know what I mean? Somebody are going to get left on the floor. It happens.

It's one that got left out that certain people were enraged about it. I mean, it'll be all right. Certain people were enraged. There's one person that's, told me the greatest white girl movie of all time was left out. The greatest white girl movie of all time? Wait, we could bleep it out. Which one?

Bleak this out. Right. Oh, that. Big oversight. Big oversight. We fucked up. Bleep it up. We fucked up.

We fucked up. It was like, somebody said, who took a fucking. I was like, wasn't drafted. They were like, oh. I was like, wasn't drafted. Wasn't drafted? I made an argument that it wasn't truly a white girl movie. I don't, yeah.

I don't think that it is. And people shout. shouted me down, maybe you look like a fucking fool. Actually got a little uncomfortable. Jesus. On today's show, the Midnight Boers are giving you their instant reactions to Wicked for good. Alabasa la cabalacana. Yep.

Speaking in tongues? Just like that. This is how, this is, we got magical powers. Actually, we don't have any magical powers because of real shit. This is the fake shit. All right. In order to get into this, we got to give you a spoiler warning. We're spoiling everything wicked, but also everything Wizard of Oz.

Yes. So all the Wizard of All's lore that you've gotten over the years, we're going to spoil it. We're going to spoil it right now. Spoiler warning, go. We're getting ready to talk about Wicked. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right. Midnight Maniface. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Wicked for Good, directed by John Chu, screenplay by Winnie Holzum and Dana Fox, starring, Cynthia Arrivo, Ariana Grande, Jonathan. Bailey, Ethan Slater, Michelle Yo, Jeff Goldblum, five years after the events of wicked. Elfaba is an animal rights freedom fighter. Glinda is a fascist and Fierro is the feds.

The animals of ours are like, fuck you, Elfabah, you turn the monkeys into flying monkeys, and this cowardly lion hates you. Elfab's sister, Nessa, has also become a fascist. It ends up being racist to her munchkin boyfriend, Bach. It accidentally turns him into the tin man. The wizard and Glinda try to recruit Alphabet to the cause by freeing the flying monkeys, but Alpha, Alpha, Alfa is like, nah, after finding the wizard's secret layer of animal prisoners. Fierro and Elfaba fall in love, but he gets turned into the scarecrow as a result of trying to save his green goddess's life. Dorothy arrives after Morrible does some weather magic. Her house kills Nessa. Alphaba is piss and goes wicked. The events of 1939's the Wizard of Oz are seen

from Glinda's POV as Alfa is seemingly killed by Dorothy splashing her with water, but secretly Elfabah escapes and lives happily ever after with her scarecrow lover Fiero. Meanwhile, Glinda decides to actually be good at free the animals and liberate Oz from the wizard and Moribul's rule, and that has been your midnight manifest for Wicked for Good. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP and making a mess. You don't need WeatherTech floor liners in the summer, unless you hit the beach or go camping. Then you'd want a cargo liner.

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Beth and Rip are back in a new series, Dutton Ranch. Kelly Riley and Cole has a returned, and this time they're taking on Texas. As Beth and Rip build a future together, peace will have to wait as they face corruption, danger, and a ruthless rival ranch

willing to protect its secrets at all costs. Legacy is a beautiful thing, but only if it survives. Dutton Ranch starring Colehauser Kelly Riley Annette Benning and Ed Harris now streaming on Paramount Plus. Now I'm really interested because, well, first of all, we got to say some of these companies

need to be better with the screeners. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying. Anyway, I was not at the movie theaters with y'all. So I don't know. What? Chuck. You started with that.

Take it out with that. No, we can leave it in. No, we can leave it in. We can leave it in. I was looking for good. You're fucking screenings up. No, look it is. Y'all that nigga Charles was so bad.

Go look at the camera. Tell Universal pictures. Wait, tell Universal. That nigga Charles was so mad. While you wear the merch. Yo, guys, we had the most chaotic night. It was a wild night. For the wicked screener.

I was just, we had, it was the most chaotic night that we ever had. Like, it was, first, it was raining. Yeah. We get there, we walking through the city, walking the rain. I almost check somebody at the door because he's trying to pull.

put his umbrella in as we're getting through the movies. We get there. People don't know how to handle brain. Like, we get there. And then all I hear is dysfunction. There are no more seats in the theater. Charles is not there. I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

It's like, it's 15 minutes before the movie. And Charles is like, hey, man. Charles is talking plus ones outside of Eurozone. We got to save a seat for Charles. Charles is like, I'm not here. I'm not here. What do you mean? And then we, we, we, we,

see, all of a sudden I see Mallory hustling out of the theater. Not because didn't they put you, they were trying to see Charles like in the front so there's usually a check-in place where they're like, okay, we have a certain amount of press people going into one theater and then once that theater's full, then we fill up another theater.

The theater when we got there is already full and like the only rows or the only row that's open is the absolute very front where you're just looking up the entire time. Terrible thing. So I overhear that there's going to be opening of another theater. I ask hey, is this theater open yet? Yes, I run to that theater.

Place all of my stuff on four seats. I'm like, everybody come to Theater 10 right now. And I just got to say, is Matt, is ringer people there that are all at the screening? Seats aren't saved for the people who have to cover the movie. And somebody that has to cover the movie is not, and by the time we sit down, we have been battered a little bit. We had been, we were not in the right head space.

It was fuck wicked old. I was at home. She had to be through war and he had to see a movie. Because I liked the people before. I was like, yo. I looked at that, Mal, I was like, if we would have to sit in the street, she was like, I was going to go home.

If I had to sit in the front room. I think we got a text from Mal being like, I'm going to. I was like, I was about to go home. All right. So we get sat in the seats. They gave us nice shirts after, though. Yeah, you got some words. I got the swag.

Yeah. We used to get sat in the seat and the movie starts and we're back in the Wicked Land. And I'll say this. We're back in the eyes. I just love the world. I love the Wizard of Oz world. I don't know why. This movie has been really divisive from people in the way that they have responded to it since it came out.

I really enjoyed it. I think I really enjoyed it. Now, I will say, looking back on it I was in the moment really enjoying the movie but not because of the movie it wasn't the movie that was making me enjoy it

it was the overall energy of the entire set of circumstances I legitimately am interested because you fuck with the Wizard of Oz Lord because I fuck with the Wizard of Oz lore so much I'm legitimately

interested in what happens to the characters and how all the stuff pays out, like, pays off. The stuff that happened in the movie itself was good and entertaining, but I just really cared. And it was almost a situation, and I'll pose this to you guys, to where sometimes waiting for the end of a story is bad, because that means you're not invested into what's happening on the screen. Okay. But sometimes wanting to see how something resolves itself is actually good because you're so invested into the lore that they've been able to create.

So for me, the criticisms of Wicked for Good, I get it. Yeah. I had a lot of fun. There were no good songs. No, there were some good songs. All right. I don't remember one. They weren't really as good songs.

There were good songs. There weren't as really good songs. No, it's not, it's not the same. It's okay. They weren't as really good songs. No, this was the B sides. This was like, I'm like, well, that's the thing about this movie is that notoriously, the second act is weaker than the first act. We legitimately got all the, all the hits up front.

And they gave us a second movie that is the story's weaker, the music is weaker. Like, everybody knows, like, from the jump to source material is not as good for the second one. Yet we were still here. I think, I, my, thoughts kind of echo yours where I had a good time in the theater. I watched the movie. I enjoyed it. But it kind of reminds, have you guys seen The Graduate? Talk about Dustin Haw? Yes. Yeah, nigga. Yeah. And so the thing about the graduate is that it's a funny movie, right? But there's a part of it that's kind of unintentional, unintentionally funny, at least

like to the audience. There's like, it's kind of awkward. You're kind of just like, am I supposed to laugh right now? Like, what is the vibe? But you're just like having a good time. laughing despite the fact that you don't know if they're doing this on purpose. That's kind of how I felt with Wicked for Good where I'm laughing at the stuff that they're taking seriously in the movie. I'm having like, I'm like

yeah, y'all not being serious. Yeah, there's a rather like madcap energy to this second one that it's not exactly like a cultural defining moment that we all felt the first one was because it felt almost like a small Barbenheimer when we first saw the first

when we saw the first one. Everybody was having a great time. It ends on defying gravity. It's like a show-stopping moment. And obviously, all of the criticisms of the second act and the second movie are all here. I think I'm probably leaving this without, like, thinking, like, of all of, like,

the creative liberties that were taken in this movie, why there weren't any ones that were better? Why weren't there any, like, better choices made? I don't know. To actually kind of make this a bit more of a, like, a stand-out event. The Bruce Holmes.

You know. Conjure the hate. I don't think it's going to be hard. It's not. It's not. Sometimes, you know, you watch a movie and the first thought that you have in your head is maybe stories are a mistake. Maybe this whole thing.

Maybe we shouldn't have had the movies. Like, maybe we should have stopped with the Wizard of Oz. Because you want to know why it's bad. I'm a very, like, you know, I'm in L.A. I'm a student of the movie going game. Yeah. I'm sitting in my seat. I'm like, damn, this movie not hitting.

But, you know, at least we, like, halfway through, I checked my phone. It's 22 minutes. I'm full of sleep. I'm wake up. I'm like, wait out of this, I'm becoming a TV. Like, we said, like, wow, how did this happen? And I will say, this is one of the all-time.

If you doze off movies, you go to know. You're lost. You're like, you're like, you're like, she was like, nether was like, you ain't shit, bitch. you got magic. I want to walk. I just,

I fell asleep and she's like, and she's floating through the air. And I wake up. And all I see is, is Ariada Grande's boyfriend be like, who turned me to the gym?

Yeah. I was like, what the fuck? The spirit of her becomes the scarecrow. If you fall asleep in this one, it's a, there's other shows that you could, there's other stuff you can fall asleep on,

like you can fall asleep on pluribus, and when you woke up, they would still be talking. I need you to come. No, stop. You need you to come. Stop. Oh, wait, what is this is great?

Third episode ain't, third, fourth episode ain't. He's lying. He's lying. He's good. Yeah, that's a lot. You line. You line. Stop.

That's what they're supposed to do? They're supposed to fight? I love the show. You want plot. This is character. I love the show. I love the show. But there is plot.

There's plot. There's plot between characters talking. This is not a plurvis indictment pod. Hey, hey! I love the show. I'm just saying for the next one, we got to kind of, let's start running. Momentum? Let's start running.

Let's start running. Let's start running. Let's start running. Okay. Let's start running. Let's start running. Yeah. Is the mistake for Wicked for Good

that in the first one, even though it's in the Wizard of Oz world, I think it's like separate enough that even though it looks shittier than the original Wizard of Oz, I'm like, this is like a different movie. Where with this one, because it's like, yo, you're seeing the scarecrow, you're seeing the Cowardly Lion, Dorothy's in it.

I was like, damn, how do we make a perfect movie like the Wizard of Oz and then this shit? Well, let me tell you something that's hard to pull off. Very hard to pull off. This is difficult. And you'd be hard-pressed to think of movies that have tried this before. It's one thing to do a story instead of a story that's before the story.

Yeah. Right. It's one thing to do a story instead of a story that's after the story. You thought you knew the whole story. This is what's happening during that story. During the story, like making us believe that there are something. more compelling than Dorothy going down the yellow brick road with the 10 man and just over there and like it like there being something more than that like even the 10 man in this movie who's like you know an angry murder is an intel yeah you know what I mean nightmare fuel for so you'd have to spend a lot of time on that that stuff works in the stage play because it all happens at the same time yeah and you have the energy of

the first act, like, throwing you into it. But when you got to pause for, like, a whole year and then come back to it and orient yourself to that as its own thing while you know the Wizard of Oz is happening, there is a clunkiness to this. Yes. That makes you, and this is not an original thought, that makes you think that this should have all been one movie. Obviously.

Even if it was a three-hour and 20-minute movie. And that's my question, though, because I was, I was. was listening to a podcast script notes and Craig Mason who did Chernobyl, Last of Us. I think he was involved in the early iterations of this. And I think he was the screenwriter was like, this has to be two movies.

And his thought process was like, what can you do in a movie after Defying Gravity? Like, that is like such a good point. That's like such a high point. And then you had 90 more minutes. And I was like, I don't know if I agree with the choice to make this into two movies. But I was like, I was

thinking of this and I was like, think of everything that happened in the first Wicked, and then having to sit there for like another 90... But this is also the biggest flaw of the musical itself, which obviously is still beloved. People still love the entirety of this story. But you could kind of, like, in theory, you could end the musical Wicked on Defying Gravity, and there's still kind of a straight line between the Wizard of Oz and this. Fuck no. You don't think so?

No. I mean, yeah, I mean, you have the Good Witch and you have the Wicter Wheel. No, because he's like, I'm fine gravity. Fuck it. I don't need to know. Hey, I don't need to know that. What you guys are talking about is absurd, and I haven't disagreed with anything more. If you end the movie, if you end Wicked or the movie at Defying Gravity, then everything that happened in The Wizard of Oz still has to be taken as canon.

If you ended at Define Gravity, then the story is actually about why Elphaba turned bad and not why Elphaba is actually good. If you ended at Define Gravity, then she still gets the water thrown on her, still melts. She doesn't get any good love in, she's not getting picked down by the scarecrow in all. If you ended at Define Gravity, you essentially, it's a prequel. This is not a prequel.

This is a re-fucking telling of the story that casts her as the hero. And if you ended at Define Gravity, that hasn't happened. I got to be honest with you, you're right. I don't care. But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, it's a completely different. Right. It's a whole different. Again, it's a pure hypothetical that I could have said,

but only because of how show-stopping Defying Gravity is. Because, like, what do you do to follow that? I certainly don't think that it's this because it is clunky and overstretched this movie. And I'm still trying to figure out why we did not need two new songs. We did not need... Well, you got to get the Oscars push. Right, but you don't need an extra 20 minutes to do that. I mean, I don't agree with Jomey.

I think the Wizards. of Osloor is the weakest shit in this because it's like you take something that's perfect and then you're like, you know what? We're going to show you a 10 man and a scarecrow who look even shittier. And actually their backstory is dumbest fuck. And it's just like every single time they did it, even every single time I saw the back of Dorothy's dumbass head. I'm like, I'll tell you something.

I'll tell you something else about the 10 man and the scarecrow and the Carly Lion. I, like, all this made me do was have eternal sorrow. like this this is a fucked up I'm getting older like this is a fucked up thing that has happened to the cowardly lion

and the cowardly lion looks so scared in this movie he looked too scared so he's scared in the first movie but it's like it's funny scared

in this one he looked like a stop making animals afraid and putting animals in danger he looks so scared

that I was like what the fuck what were the in the arms. Just for his 10 cents a day. You can support Colton Domingo as power in line. The fucking tin man

is so goddamn angry. Angry. And I just watched him be turned into the 10 man. I'm like, this is a true curse. By the way, he don't turn back. They can't turn back. The scarecrow didn't turn back. Nah, but he was getting it in. It's crazy, though, because Fierro had to keep

that, like, that party of four in line from just not outright murdering people. Wait, wait, did Fierrode? That's The other thing, maybe I felt this is when I nodded off, they didn't really show as much of Fierro as a scarecrow. No, because the whole point was to be like, guys, guess who he was a scarecrow? They did the whole time. Put him in a cornfield. Does the spell?

And he's in a fucking field. And I'm just like, the whole time for the rest of the movie, I'm like, where's the goddamn scary? When she was in, he was, there was about to kill him. And so she made him. No, I understand. She was trying to say if she didn't know. Yeah. The thing about the movie is, and again, this is why I feel like this was the weakest, like, like, the one of the weakest part.

like the one of the weakest parts of the movie is because, like, I hadn't, I had no familiarity with the stage play. Like, I went in completely and utterly, like, I had no information what was going to happen. So I had obviously seen the first one. You know the Cowardly Lions come in from the cub that they rescued in the first movie.

Once Bach, I turned into the Tim Man, I was like, oh, Fierro's a scarecrow because there's only one of the dude in this movie. Like, it wasn't a surprise. It wasn't like, oh, my gosh. I was going to ask this. I thought my enjoyment would have been better, if I did read all the wicket.

Because, like, after the first movie, I was reading the Wikipedia for the musical. I was reading the Wikipedia for the book. I was like, where are we going? The book is crazy. And so you... The book is crazy. And so you...

It is. Steve, I read the book, Allman. It's being poop all over the place. If you... So you went in thinking that there was going to be this ridiculously dramatic and meaningful turn for those characters and it didn't pay off. Well, it's not.

I more so thought that I was just like, yeah, if we're going to get the backstory for the scarecrow and Tim, man, this shit going to be lit. And to your point, it was just sad. It just happened. It was rushed. Not only was it rushed. I ended up not only feeling bad for them, but also kind of feeling like these classic characters that I had grown up with and loved were kind of assholes. They were assholes.

I will say this. The movie is filled everybody is kind of an asshole in the movie really except for one character. Like, I'll say this, and I'll get to some of the things that worked for me about the movie. The one thing that didn't work more than anything is this. I've had fights with my sister before. Ebony Lathen is my sister. And she is a brilliant, beautiful South Louisiana woman who is a master of poetry. We've had fights.

We fight. We've had fights before when things have been said that are terrible. if you drop a house on her it's going to be more than 30 seconds of me being like they dropped a house on this woman's sister and nobody in this fucking movie kid she was an asshole

I know that they give I don't man I'm about to fucking flip this table over they gave you one scene of her being slightly mean it's not like if they was going if you was going to drop a house on her

she'd have had to do a month a mumpkin munchkin mass killing. She'd have to, so she got mad. She was mean to bach a couple times and the movie was like, drop my house on her. She was mean to bach a couple of times. Anti-animal and anti-Munchkin laws.

Like, let me finish. She was mean to bach a couple of times. She had a couple of bad scenes and they executed her. Not only did they do that. And then we were supposed to be like, ah, we could see that. In death, they called her the witch. the Wicked Wicked Wicked Witch of the East.

She called herself that one time didn't commit to it and I'm like tough. Come on, man. I will say, I was confused. I was like, wait, did I miss a scene? Because it's like, alpha bunch is there like, damn, not my sister.

Anyway. But it's her sister that never stood up for her. Like, never stood up there. That's still my sister. That's still vood. You know what this is? She wrote harder for the shoes than she did for the sister.

You know what this is, this is white people shit. This is white people. This is, I don't talk my family no more 15 years. I don't call. 15 years, you don't call your family. What the fuck is going on? It's your mom.

You don't call him. Got a house dropped on them. Got a house dropped on them. Nah, fuck that shit. And then there was that little fight scene. What are the shoes like? It turned it's, they did the shaky camp fight scene like it was. Like it was a, like it was Captain America's Civil War, man.

That was my favorite part. Are you talking about where she was twirling to war? Yeah. That was my favorite part. That was, that actually, to me, located what's so bad about this movie. That part was so dumb and so fucking. a funny. I was like, where's this?

Like, where's this movie? Where's this shit? But do you know what was really missing from this film? This, it was both what was missing from this film and also the best parts about this film. These movies both work to me, well, I have fun with these movies directly because of the insane chemistry. Yeah. Between Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande. Absolutely.

The insane amount of chemistry. I want a buddy cop movie from them. They have something together that they have been able to figure out that is really, really brilliant. I thought they were about to fuck in the movie. There was a couple of times when they were looking long at each other, I was like, and this movie has less of that. But when they are on screen together, when they are put in the same spot, you are right. back there. And there's enough

of that for me to have fun with the movie that is really flawed and pretty thin. I have fun and wicket for good, though. I mean, yeah. I mean, again, I had fun, like, the movie, the first movie is, there's some levity in there, like, we're having a good time. You can, like, the visuals

match, which is watching on screen. For this one, it's so, like, dour and sad. Yeah. Depressive. But they still have, like, oh, look, weird, no. And you're just, like, dog. Also, and I know they see I couldn't watch one more scene of these sad-ass animals. The bear, bro.

It was just like... By the way, you know, I needed more animal triumph. Yeah. Like, you know... They all came out from the... I get it. The monkeys from the Underground Railroad. They all came out.

I get it. I understand that, but like, don't put animals in peril and then me. I needed an animal dance. I needed a can you feel the brand new dance with the animals. You know what I mean? I needed that with the animal situation. I got to do it, go. I got to do it to guys.

Oh, it's time now? It's time. All right. It's time. It's time, sir. Yeah. Okay, guys. If you're listening on audio, we just all put coofies on.

Because we got to talk about some of the racial implications in this movie. Nah, nah, let me tell you guys. Let's show on a Fiero. Let me tell you guys. How I could view Wicked for Good if I so chose to my brothers. If I chose to my brothers, I could view the movie Wicked for Good as a movie about how a black woman has to mute herself, how a black woman has to play the villain, how a black woman has to be outcast, how a black woman has to be burned, how a black woman's magic. has to be overlooked, misused, and take it for granted. Talk to him, brother, Lathan.

How a black woman has to be less than for a white woman to rule. For a white woman to be looked at a white woman with no magic. A white woman with no talent. A white woman whose only talent is being a white woman. Brother, can I get an amen for this? Amen. Brother, can I get a hand clap for this? A white woman who never ever amounted to anything except for a pretty smile.

And now what is she? The ruler of the entire town while a black woman is outcasted to the land of nothingness. I'm saying right now, wicked for good is wicked for bad. That's real. I think you miss two very important parts. Pick me up, my brother. So we learn in this movie that the swirl agenda. Oh, my God.

God, one black mother killed. Oh, my God. All right. And does Elmple learn anything? Nah. Make it plain. Because she runs right back to the scarecrow dick. Make it plain, my brother.

Make it plain. So I'm like, you not wrong. But Fierro, he wanted his mint chocolate bad, bro. You got to chill. Joe. Beeros and Snow Bunny. Ed, what did this white brother do? He said, you can't go into the actual house.

You can go into the broken down castle. Come on, nah. Come on, wow. You got to hide yourself in the cellar. In the cellar. See, make it plain, my brother. That's tough. That's tough.

Make it plain. This movie is part of the plot of the Yucubians. Not the Yucubians. To tell us that our true magic has got to be hidden and used wicked for good, wicked for bad, man. I will also say, if I'm being real, in the first movie, they start off. Everybody, all the munchkins, everybody's like dancing, bird and the witch at the stake. I was like, all right, they're going to clean it up. They're going to clean it up.

At the end of the movie, they didn't clean none of that shit up. None of it. None of it was cleaned up. They had a Glenn rally. As a matter of fact, in this movie, one black woman, house dropped on her, okay? The other black woman outcasted, Asian woman, jailed, white woman, queen of ours. And I just say, now I just realize this is low-key, like, racist. Don't even cry for her black sister dying, but she do go, hey, yo, I need them shoes.

Yeah, give me the shoes. That's what I said. She was more worried about the shoes than her own sister. Them shoes with some red bottoms. They painting black women. They're saying that there's an agenda. Brother say that black women care about red bottoms. This whole movie is an agenda.

It's a PR spin. Okay? I'm watching the movie and I'm like, what does this remind me of? We're watching one of our generational magical talents in Alphabah, right? Just get completely railed and sold and put up against somebody,

right, who, as far as we know, got zero magical talent. Don't have it. It's just a pretty face and somebody who they can look at and go, wow, we really want it for this person. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the first two years from 2018 to 2020, Lamar Jackson

versus Josh Allen. That's all it was. That's all it was. They wanted it so bad for Josh that at every point, they was like, he would throw five picks. They'd be like, yeah, but you see the arm talent, though? Meanwhile, Lamar had all this talent, all the skills, put up better stats, and they were like,

He's still a running back. Always. All right. That's the fuck I'm talking about. It's nasty work, bro. Nasty, nasty work. These agendas are. You know who the other hero of this movie is? Somebody else that's a hero of this film?

Another white woman. No. From the state of Kansas, who just happens to come in and play the hero who throws water on our sister and melts her. She has to get below, she has to humble herself.

Wow. And then who brings her out of that? White scarecrow. If I could defend Dorothy a little bit, this is what I was actually crying at the movie. I'm like, damn, Alfa, like, she mean, she got this girl, stuck in the cellar.

Dorothy's like, get me out, get me out. They're singing about friendship. And then Elbaugh. And killing us. I'm thinking for a half of her head

power. I'm like, and she's like having a panic attack in the dungeon. I was like, I'm just sicking. Dude, it's emotional to have a good time.

All I can think about is, Dorothy, at the bottom she is, she's like, oh, more. You think Dorothy was like, hey,

hey, hey, what's going on up there? Hey. Hey. You hear that? How about this? Fuck Dorothy. This ain't her home.

This ain't, this ain't, This ain't her mission. She's a child but lost. This ain't none of that. She basically, the United States military showed up, murdered some people and left. She's a slippery agent.

All they really want to do is colonize ours. That's what they were. If we being honest, the water, she didn't even say raise your hands. Oh, but she was like, actually, I'm going to be real with you. Throwing water on that, so it's the same thing that they did in the civil rights movement

with the goddamn mold. Oh, come on. Come on. Come on. It's the same thing. they did. They tried to subdue us by melting us with streams of water.

Could you imagine if they chase Toto to a choice? Oh, God. Okay, nigga. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wow. Man.

Wow, okay, we can go back. Also, I do got to be real. It was so funny, bro. Oh. Why the fuck did Glinda be like, yeah, You know, Oz, I'm not going to put you in jail. I'm going to let you get in this hot air balloon to fly away.

Yeah. Well, you got to. Michelle Yo! You stay in your house life. I mean, she did drop the house on him. Well, who was really the worst one, though? Probably the wizard. Michelle Yo dropped the house on the girl sister.

The wizard? Wait a minute. Is Madame Marble? He's daughter. Is she like the Circe of this? Is she the orchestrator, really? Well, she's the most dangerous one. Yeah.

Because she's the most dangerous. She actually has magic and stuff like that. The wizard is, I guess, occupying the space of the patsy figure, hey, guy. She's the most dangerous one. If Glinda is in love with Alpha Book and you're telling me, my ancient baby daddy tried to kill me for two fucking movies and you just let him bounce? That's crazy. Come on. I get it.

How do we feel about the turn at the end, the Luke I Am Your Father moment? where the wizard is actually alpha-based. By that point, I'm like, sure why not? Like, anything's possible in this world. It was go, one more. It was telegraphed in the first movie. I was why I knew it was coming. I thought it was rushed to shit

because I had forgotten the plot point and when they drop it in the movie, I'm like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's the biggest problem because this actually probably would work a lot better when you see this back-to-back again as one movie. But none of the things that were breadcrumbed

in the first act are at all, like, even alluded to, it just happens. And you don't really feel a connection to it. You're like, oh, yeah, that is her dad. Or he was the guy that was a D-aged Jeff Goldblum dancing with her mom. Like, all those things you just had to remember off-site. D-A.

Chef Goldblum was a fucking nightmare. That didn't work. It wasn't great. What is this motherfucker? It's kind of like this guy. He looked a little light-skinned. Because I'll say this. Dude, I had the same thought.

I was like, did you all put the light-skin filter on Jeff Goldblum? Like, he was dark, but he wasn't like, he went chocolate. I'm in favor of just casting a young actor and then making him dress the same or something like that so we know. Like, you don't have to de-age, especially if he's going to look like that. The thing I'll say is, though, like the Tim, I thought the Tim man looked good and the Lion looked good. Yeah, it was cool. Hold on. The makeup effects for the Timman were cool.

It was fine. But the characters that you don't see a ton of, like the Scarecrow and Jeff Goldblum, that was tough. Scarecrow, that was a design where I'm like, the scarecrow, the original Scarecrow design. those are super iconic what they did with the Fierro as a scarecrow I was like what the fuck there was a moment where she's like

he's like you're beautiful you don't have to lie I'm like bro this man's fucking fucking dick is a burlap sack there will be issues when it comes to that I mean he still look good though I think they could make it work yeah he looked like the up fucking the corner on the cob man I would look like the scarecrow Jonathan Bailey over me now

right now that's what that's that's like easy That is a little glaze. That's a lot of glaze. Sexiest man on the planet. That's tough. Even as a scarecrow? Probably.

You think he looked better than you as a scarecrow? You got to have some pride, man. You got to stand up. That's not. I don't believe in that. You got to stand up. I'm not a Jonathan Bailey. I'll say that.

I'll look better than that nigga when he has a scarecrow. Fuck that shit. All right. If you had to be any of these cursed ass. Especially me with the neck. Like, who would you be? Would you rather be scarecrow, 10 man or the lion?

Scarecrow. You got to scarecrose. Scarrow still got a motion. still got a lady yeah yeah the cowardly lion i want i want more of his story he i i happen why was he so cowardly because she when he was a puppy she rescued him instead of letting him go through his own adversity yeah that's the story that's that's that's kind of like a sin mentality yeah but it's okay though because look that part of the movie i was thinking i miss something he's cowardly because she set him free from captivity yep all right

She and Lamb's both through his own adversity. Oh, I... Who's the advocate for tough love. Hey, Mr. Elfaba, I want to be a house negro and you didn't let me. That's kind of what? That's true. I mean, we should put the cooies back on, which is?

No, you get what I'm like... It's weird. It doesn't make sense. I thought Cynthia Arrivo has Elfaba nailed. Yes, yes. She's great. Same thing with Ariana Grande. They don't give Ariana but too much to do, though.

Nope. Less, it... The first as... If the first movie is a perfect, perfect display for all of her talents, this one seemed to be not at all concerned with them in any way, shape, or form. This movie was not, I know this movie wasn't funny because I went to a 2 p.m. screening on a Thursday. This is people who, like, are in love with this shit. Not one laugh.

I laughed at the slap. The slap was funny. I laughed at parts in the movie. Right. But were they supposed to be funny? Maybe not. I laughed at the slap. There were things about her that I still laughed at.

But it's, it's, it's, it, the real flaw is that there just wasn't enough space. Until you said, maybe I wasn't paying attention, until you did the manifest and said it was five years later, I didn't realize it. I didn't realize that until I went on Wikipedia in there like it's five years later. I was like, because I was confused. I was like, wait, weren't they in high school? Why they like? Yeah, but the movie does not tell you that. No.

The movie at no point goes, this is five years later. No, it's in the very, very beginning. Guys, guys, actually, it's in a clock tick. All right. It's in a clock tick. You guys didn't like that? You're not adding that to your lexicon? Fuck no.

You're not going to be like, I'll be back in the clock tick. You didn't like that? Hold up a clock tick. Yeah, just hold up one clock tick. I did like obsessulated. That was fun to say. I mean, the Ozian, like, wordplay is always like interesting. But like, the clock, they overdid it on that.

I would have not been mad if they had just started this movie. They should have just been like, we're going to play the whole Define Gravity scene for y'all. Then we're going to start the movie. Because then I would have been like, oh shit, yeah. Honestly, yes. Because again, let's talk about the music for a second. That's a little indulgent, but okay. I think for good, like, does its job in terms of bringing their emotional journey to, like, a close

and how, like, this is the end for them as they know it. And, like, watching both movies, understanding that emotional journey. I'm not, I wasn't too attached to them from the jump, but in that moment, I understood what the story, what the movie was trying to tell me. That I got. All the other stuff, all the other musical numbers. No, there was, I like, I liked, as long as you're mine.

I like no good deed. No good deed was good. No good deed was good. No good deed was cool. It doesn't compare it to even. No, it's not. The first, the music in the first. Popular, like, we didn't get a scene of just like,

once again, all the letter, you already pointed this out. out. It's very funny how life imitates art because it must have been a poop crave fucking tweet where there was just like, yeah, Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande aren't doing any interviews together because Cynthia

Arivo's voice, like, hey, do I was like, what the fuck? And obviously I think the whole wicked promotional run for the original movie helped sell the movie in terms of just like, it was a master class. Ariana Grande and Cynthia Revo, their chemistry is so electric. Even if you don't fuck with

musicals, you will fuck with them. And this movie has the same problem as this promotional run. We're like, damn, Ariana Grondi and Cynthia Reeva are not talking. And you're just like, in this movie, I'm just like, damn, these women are not in enough scenes together. And I was like, why make this movie in terms of like, if you make the first cut of the original and then you're just like, you know what we want to do? Putting a bunch of other people that I think are kind of miscast, Jeff Goldblum, I think is

miscast. Michelle Yell, I think is miscast. Jeff Goldblum is miscast. No, Jeff Goldman was good there. He's fucking perfectly cast. He's great. I love Jeff Goldblum. You nigger.

I think he's doing too much. He are. I erred you. I had to ER you over that take. I apologize. Are you yelling at yourself now? Van Lathen. You all your people better.

Jeff Goldblum is perfectly cash. You don't think so? It's perfect role for him. It's like the scam artist was able to talk their way. Yeah. It was really good. He was just doing.

in the Jeff Goldblum thing a little... That's what he does now. Yeah. It's great in the first movie when it's a small dose. When it's a bigger dose in this movie, I was like, this is tough. Same thing with Michelle. I was like, ah, what?

I forgot Michelle Yo had weather powers. When she started... I was like, what the fuck is happening? She's like the most powerful wizard there. Wait, no, I thought that was Elphabah. Yeah. She could be. Yeah.

I think Elfah's... Also, why did Elfabu'll give up the magic book? Maybe Elfabah. was more talented. Yeah. To Glinda. She don't need it. Because she needed to get it back.

Yeah, she'll need it. Can't say something, though? I mean, the real problem, the movie's fun, had a lot of fun. The resolution doesn't really work to me. It, I, like,

coofy bit aside, you know, you're taking people on this entire, it's just the, the movie has a weird message. the message of we need a villain to burn in order for there to be a better day that arrives

is just a really complicated message for today's audiences who are seeing people who are fighting for them or people who are trying to represent them being metaphorically burned every single day

the exiling of the hero of the story to a waste with her hitlessly deformed lover for doing nothing but standing up for people all of that stuff

that shouldn't be a part of this but all of that stuff is just very complicated and if you're going to make changes to the movie I'm sorry hold people's hand a little bit have Elfabah end up in this lush fucking green

paradise surrounded by animals with her and him looking in the mirror together, telling each other how beautiful they are. It's just like you leave the movie and it's like, there's an odd feeling that you have of incompleteness.

Do you think that that's the problem with, I feel like on Broadway, you have less of that because you are at a Broadway show. You are following a narrative, but you are letting the songs really wash over you. Where with this, when you are watching a movie, there's way more dialogue,

there's way more story. they added more to this. So the more you add, the less it makes sense versus on Broadway. You're just like, you're not looking at it in the same way.

I agree. Elphaba and Furio's love story is not potent enough for the fact, for the resolution to be just them ending up together. Yeah. Like, there are love stories

to where, like, you get to a point where you don't care if the world burns as long as these two people end up together. Yeah.

All kinds of stuff to really like, Oh my God Like all of this stuff As long as these two characters end up together Then you're okay There just wasn't enough storywork done With this particular love story

To make that resolution I'll tell you what The only time I felt bad for Glinda Across these last What five hours of film Was seeing them get together Seeing Fierro and Alpha get together

Because imagine You know what I'm saying Yo your best friend Your home Yeah your best friend And your fiancee abscond they leave you. Oh my God.

And go get together. Wait until you guys watch the white girl movie draft. You are the last person that should be saying this. You are not a one light breath. You guys, I'm begging the audience right now.

Don't listen to him. Just to let you guys, don't listen to let you guys behind the curtain. We've already taped the white girl movie draft. It's already been taped. Fuck it. Now you know. Don't listen to know.

We've already taped it. Don't listen to him. He's trying to trigger me with something that happened in the white girl movie draft. You guys, you are a cookie and milk thief. Right here. Look at me right here.

In the white girl movie. Don't listen to him. That makes that, oh, he's trying to get on my nerves. He's trying to do you. He's not even like that. Watch the white girl movie draft. Listen to the white girl movie draft. Don't hear you.

Hide your cookies and hide your white. Don't even do. Hide your girls. Don't even do that. Like I'm telling you, just watch to listen to the white girl movie draft. Don't listen to it. Don't listen to it.

Don't listen to them. And when you do, and when you do, don't listen to them. When you do, we want to know what the fuck you guys think about Joni that. The most popular midnight, the most unproblematic midnight boy. What do you guys think about Jonah? Honestly, I can't say much on this because, yeah, I was doing the same shit.

It's not even something else. It's not even moving like that. But no, I was like, at that moment, I was like, damn, Glendon, I could kind of, you know, I could kind of see, I could kind of see why you mad. And then not even 30 seconds later, a house drop on, she's like, man, that's crazy. The sexual politics of this movie are crazy, though,

because, like, Nessa getting the munchkin dick taken away from her at that video. Like, oh, yeah, get off the train. It's crazy work. I was like, yo, not the black woman. I know I was supposed to, like, get sick of Nessa because she just ended up being mean and bitter. But I still felt for her to, the end, man. She was in the world of

being overlooked and fucked over and nobody could ever, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel... Yeah, but that turns her to bitterness. It does turn to bitterness. And like, you know what I mean? But that's why I could tell it wasn't enough brothers and ours. No. Because there'd have been

there have been some dude that peeped that out. They're like, oh shit, she's the governor? Munchkin man ain't paying attention? That's me. That's me. I'm like, that's me. I'm in that bitch. Hey, bro, like, There'd have been some dude that we'd been all sitting around playing Doom, listening to A-Z. And one dude would have been like, shit, nigga.

I'm trying to see what's up with Nessa, bro. What Nessa? Yeah, fuck with Nessa like that, man. Think about it, bro. She cute. Number one, she cute. She is cute. She cute or not?

But yeah, no, she could. She's cute. She looks good. She's a little joint. She cute. And on top of this, bro, she's the governor, man. She's the governor, man. There is nothing funnier.

when your boy starts dating a girl with money. I'm like, I've never seen you act like this day. Man. We went to this party. We went to this party back in the day. Me and my man Ryan, we went to this party back in the day, and we didn't know where we was going. So we get asked to go to this party.

And I'm like, yeah, you know, my man, what's it called? I'm not going to name these people names because they'll get mad. It's like, we get asked to go to this party. So we get asked to go to the party. and it was my first experience with a gated community. Now, everyone knew that the country club Louisiana was gated, but we did not know that there were more gated communities, right? So we pull up, say, boom, we come back here,

who are you coming to see? We're going to blah, blah, blah, we come in to see them, we pull up, we get there, and this is by far the nicest crib that we have ever experienced. And we see one of our homeboys that's dating a girl whose father owns this house. We know this, nigga. we chill with this thing and he over there

he's like he calling her out he going hey hey watch my dive watch my dive and she's going she's going okay baby dive dive

and he's like yeah but watch watch I've been working on I've been working on my dive and we watch and we're looking at and we like you know what the fuck is this

like watch my dive like we know you watch my dive we know you so he dies into the pool she clas a good dive Not the class. Like, she class, baby.

And then he swims over to her. He could barely swim. Her family has taught him how to swim. What? Yes. Was this a white woman? No, it was not white. Okay.

So he barely swims over and they, together, we pull him to the side. I'm just curious, my nigga Ryan is mad. Like, nigga, what you're on, bro? He's like what? Bro, you look like one of them seals, niggins. Oh, my God. Like, you move like one of them seals. Oh, my God.

And he just went. yo man her father taught me to dive bro you want to show what a that's what I would have been doing to never yeah right taught you how to dive teaching her how to teaching me how to dive

being in the mansion pissing all my boys off it would have been y'all niggas who wouldn't have been with the governor I'd have been with the governor no because here's the thing I will say I knew white people like live different because one day we went over my homie's house

he's just like yeah we're going to watch a movie I'm like cool cool cool I go to the living He's like, no, no, no, now. We're going downstairs. Opens up a movie. I'm not talking about, like, I'm talking about a movie theater. When movie theater sees the big screen. He's like, y'all want some popcorn?

Yep. I'm like. Bush your head. Different. I was like, y'all niggas living like this. We was over there every, I was like, we should watch some more movies. We can get off this right now. But I'm just saying, you guys always wonder.

You guys always wonder, y'all go, hey, why do people become race obsessed? This is why. Now, in Baton Rouge, these people was black, but they almost never are. And it's very difficult to go back to your crib and put a VCH into the VHS into the VCR and watch WrestleMania when you just been at your homeboy house watching it in the theater. Then you start thinking about slavery. You know what I mean? That's all I'm saying.

The other thing, I'm like, we can't go over my crib. He's like, you walk down, you see the pace, but he's like, hey, yo, you want, we got a pool, we got a football. We got, which one you want? We got the board games. I'm like, were you, your friend was Bill Gates? What kind of luck? That's the thing. This is also what I realized.

Dog, his father was just an electrician. Just, just an electrician. Yeah. His father's last name was, these guys name was his father. It was Billy Edison. This was the Edison family. But no, you're right. And this is what I'm saying.

And I feel like this is why Nessa was underrated. Because she was rich. What was the guy named the 10 men? Bach. Bach was dumb. Yeah. Bach was caught up with somebody who was never fucking with her. Can I be real?

She fucked with Bach in real life. But like in the actual thing, she was never going to fuck with Bach. You want to know what was really bad, though. You got money. You got power. And the Munch is still not fucking with you. Box still not. He like, because this is what I was like, hey, Bake shit.

Doug Box saw the marriage magazine. And he was like, he stole the magazine. I was like, man. He stole the magazine. I'm expecting that would be like, Hey, hey, put my back to shit. Put my shit back down. I haven't read that yet.

No, but she did. As soon as he was like, I'm a, I'm a go. I don't really mess with it. She said, all right, no problem. Yeah. Ain't nobody leaving. No. It was so funny because when they went back to the side,

they like, hey, yo, fuck the animals. And super fuck the munchkins. I was like, yo. But she should have, she had to, I'm not going to lie. She probably had to like, just, I know it's a movie, like, but to make her be, like, really bad, she needed an emperor turn. Well, also, she needed a, like a. Do it.

This is going to sound toxic, but I've known some women in the past where my home boy don't fuck them over. She's like, yeah, I'm mad at all your, it's like, oh, y'all. I'm like, we can't come to grip no more. We can't use your pool. Nah, get the fuck out. Charles, you know, we're a lot more similar than. And anybody even, I used to get mad about that. We used to go over this one girl house and I'd be like, listen, don't piss her off, bro.

Like, don't pick us all out. Don't piss her off. Bro, we come over there. They'd be cooking. We'd be playing games. This is the chill spot. We had no apartment or something. Don't piss off.

Don't piss off. Now, now. I'm like, you wait till the end of the summer. She got the pool. She got the barbecue. She cooked. I'm like, just fucking wait, bro. All her friends, A.K.A.s.

Like, why? Like, all her friends. You know what A.K. Wait, you don't know what A.K. No. Why would he? You've never dated an A.K. Of course not.

You don't know what the A.K. is? No. So you want me to describe what A.K. is? So, they're black sororities. There's the Divine Nine. Oh, right, right, right. And then there's one black sorority that their girls have the reputation. Their whole thing is about being the pretty girl.

Now, I'm going to be honest with you. Fine and babushi. Fine, babushi. I prefer a delta, and that's just my personal preference. You're not going to get to be mad at us. I am not going, I've preferred a delta. Wow. Like a delta, I've always preferred a delta.

I've always preferred a delta. The deltas were more, especially on Southern's campus, the delta. Google and read the Delta. You keep that computer lock. Like, Delta. Okay, all right. All right. Put on the phone.

Put on the phone. In, on the A.k.a. On the Black college campus was kind of like a thing, right? It was kind of like a thing. It was kind of like a thing. So like Angeline Jolie daughter, like, AKA. Right. Kamala Harris was A.K.A.

Right. Kamala Harris. Okay. Do they still be doing Jocel Jules in college? I assume so. Or as no. They did like Borgs for a minute. We had a Borg. Yeah.

But that's a Borg. It's, um, it's, it's, You would like take a milk carton or a juice carton, that's like a gallon, and you would fill it with some alcohol, some electrolytes, some like whatever thing. No idea. You're trying to kill yourselves. Those y'all. I didn't.

I'm not. All right. Time for the midnight meter? Yeah. Time for me. All right. Y'all know what the midnight meter is 1 to 12. 1.

Being pretty shitty. 1112. Reserve for game changers. I'm going to start with Van this time, Van. Midnight meter for Wicked for good. I'm going to go 7. All right. I'm a Go 7.

Like, Wicked for Good does not work as a movie, but it works as an experience. You don't have fun. I'm going to go 7. I know, I know, Chuck. I know. I went to Wikipedia halfway through this movie to look at the runtime. And when I saw we still had 90 minutes, I almost walked out. That's crazy.

That's, that's so hard. I'm going to go 7. Wicked for 7. And overall, Wicked, one plus two, it's an eight or nine. Yeah. I got to think, I'm going to go seven though. Jones? I think I got to go seven, too.

I think there's a level of, I think there's a floor in terms of like the performances and like just, but we don't look great. The music isn't all the best, but I'm not going to like to, man. I had a fun time in the theater. I was once told that a seven is perfect. huh? Satisfied, but don't hurt. Right, right, right, right.

You know what I mean? Maybe I was just being a lie to. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Steve, what did you get fucking wicked for good? Oh, my, we're getting out of here. Oh, my day. I think I also am the seven. Like, I can't lie that I, like, I had fun.

I did, but there's a lot of glaring problems. But I think as an experience overall, like, I want to see Wicked One again. And then I'll probably finish this off. off with this. It's good. I had a fun time. This is, I'm interested in this. Half. Four? Hmm? Five? You can't, look. Like half, like, half. Like, there's like one and then

there's half. Well, you can do half. There is, we don't do, wait a minute. No, no, no. The one rule is we don't do half. We don't do half. It's either a zero or a one. We don't do halves. It's a, it's a zero or one. Nah, Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande, too fucking talented. You've got to give them.

The half is fully for them. I'm locked in for them. You got to give them a one. So if this, if this, if your score of a half remains, this is by far, we've set a record. This is your lowest score. This is the biggest gap. Oh, yeah. Between the rest of the Midnight Boys and Chuck.

I love the original wicked. Like, I actually, I legitimately liked it. I loved it. Like, I was like, popular is my shit. The dance and everything. I was like, I was locked in. I was like, oh, they go do it. nah I was pissed

so like this movie like really like genuinely ruined your experience for this movie overall like the like both of these overall like this has to like detract all right I'm why we're gonna have midnight mulligans because you know we saw a running man and I was like man we can't get much slower than this you know it's looking up and I walked out of this and be like hey yo you know what I chat CPD y y'all got this

no vertical videos we got this right I'm just like he said I'll take I'll take Wicked for good overrunning man Any day Come on let's let's be for real man We didn't have to do that Why are you lying? Why are you lying?

That's insane Don't do that That's funny A half is crazy This nigga say We just gotta give it up the chat GPT Give it up to chat GPC Grom got it

I enjoyed All right Not to that bubble pop Now we all broke Um There it is Wicking for good Wicking for good

Wicking for bad We're working forever Okay It's gonna be interesting to see Before we get out of here Box Office for Dick projections. Oh, this is going to do numbers.

It broke the preview. It's the highest preview sales, I think, for Thursday I was seeing for the whole year. For the whole year? I think so. Because what else is in theaters? That's true. For the rest of the year. We got Avatar but that's not comfortable. I'll tell you what.

I can't wait for y'all to go back and for it to happen again. Pairdor? Y'all keep underestimating. Dog, they really count big Jim out. They keep underestimating Jimmy C. We say they.

It's him. I'm not going to be. I don't need Jimmy Cee. I don't know I'm excited because like I did see the trailer again in front of Wicked for good and you know the fire Navi. She does it for me. She a baddie. That's, um,

that's home girl from a Game of Thrones. What's your name? Rob Stark died off her. Uh, that? Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

That's the one that. That is when Game of Thrones. Like that's when I understood. I'm like, Rob is bitch made, but I would have done the same thing. I'm like, you see her? Shit. I would have done what the family needed me to do.

We got to do ten worst decisions in fandom. Wait. You get married to the weirdo girl. Gotta do it. Talissa, bro? God do it. Well, actually, what I never understood is I'm like, you Rob, start. Like, you could have the queen up in the tower and you could have the concubine.

Yeah, yeah, that's the whole deal. You have a million sites. First of all, Rob would never do that. That is a man of, that's a man with a cold, that's a man. And that's why he got got. At the end of the day, this is the problem with the starts. This is the problem with the starts. Otterbound.

All the, uh, what's the child? Ned got his head chopped off. Rob got stabbed in front of everybody. John got killed, came back to life. Yeah, here's the thing. The reason John learned from his mistakes. He's like, I'm fucking my auntie now. Fuck it.

John technically not a star. He's not a Stark at all. Yeah. He's kind of a start. I mean. A Stark area. and a Stargarian. Because I don't...

His mother is a Stark. That don't count. That don't count. It does. But then by that, then Rob is a Tully. So then we're splitting all hairs. But yeah, we're not splitting hairs. I'm saying that John, like, that John is a star.

Well, he's not really a Stark. He's a fake Stark. It's not a fake Stark. Don't do that. Fake Stark. You want to know, this type of shit happens in the black community all the time. Because when you come from the bigger family, and like, let's say your sister gets buried off, you do be looking at them.

Because it's like, but you're not one of us. So your nephew, not Alayton? What? You'll be doing it. You're not lincoln. Wow. He not, I mean, no. He is.

Let's wrap it up. Well, I mean, he is. Wow. He's one of a, no, but, but, but no, it's like, it's, he's not really. This is real toxic. Wow. It is toxic. This is extremely toxic.

This is what the white man loves to do. And guess what? Break us apart. And guess what? John is a Targaryen. And that's just the way that it goes. John is a Tar. So it's the daddy.

except when you don't want to claim them, then you will snow, you were sand. Really? And really, and honestly, can I be honest with you? The Starks,

if I was John, it would be like, fuck them anyway because they never, they never fuck with him. Well, so the mom didn't. No. The mom hated him.

If, if, like, if I'm, if I, first of all, Caitlin Stark was not a best man. We have to have a conversation about this because if we looked back at the Starks,

if we looked back at the Starks, the Starks are the best citizens of that world, but they're the worst leaders. They're the best citizens. They're the best people. But they're the worst leaders, right? And playing the Game of Thrones, they were the worst. Well, no, I just mean, fuck the Game of Thrones.

I mean, like, the fact that Rob, like, Rob is winning, Rob is doing all that stuff. Rob puts his personal feelings in front of everyone. I mean, he got his brothers killed. He got all kinds of stuff. His mama killed. all of that. Well, Caitlin had to go.

Kately had to go. What? All right. All right. Whoa. Caitlin did not give. She was treating John like. Because she thought that her man went out and stepped out.

Get over it. Get. Oh, my God. I'm not going to go. I'm not throwing a bill. I'm just saying. It's a baby. I'm not throwing a bill.

I'm not going to be over it. Brat, bro. Brat, bro. Get over it. To treat a kid like that. For all their entire life, get the fuck. And by the way, I know people that have been through this and they didn't react like that.

So get over it, bro. To treat this nigga like shit, his whole. You want to know what it is like, Caitlin was going to Burger King. She was getting food for the rest of the Starks. And John got nothing. John was starving. She was going to get Burger Buddies. This happened.

She was going to get Burger Buddies. I love my uncle, but. Like, get a little nigga of burger buddy. You know, she's going to get burger buddies for everybody, not get no burger buddy for John. That's part of the shit that's going on and get over it. And not only that, but the last thing I say about this, if I was John, the moment that I realized I was a Targaryen,

I would start going back and, like, flexing on the memory of Kaylin. Yeah. I'd be like, you know what, Kat, you ain't nothing. Like, it's a... I'm cool with the dragon. Like, my dragon started this whole race. I'm being so real. You know, that probably would have turned me bad.

Because I'd have been like, hold on, I lived as the bastard getting kicked in my ass the whole time. Daddy won't tell me who my mama is. Brothers won't, they don't want me to have a wolf, the whole nine. And then I'm really the man? Who are you to talk to me? Well, I'd have been back there. That had to change my relationship with Sons and everything. For real.

We've been eating, and I've been like, Sons, I want you to know your mother's a whore. Jesus Christ. What are you talking about, John? He's just a bitch, treating me like a bitch for the whole time for no reason. I don't know if you know. Bring me another goblet of ale. I don't know if you know. I don't know if you know.

My name is actually Acon Targary. Like this whole fucking shit is my shit. Oh, I would have ripped down all the Wolf banners. I'm like, this is Targary in town now. This is Targary. This is Winterfield, man. This is Teetown. This is Teatown.

Y'all want to treat me like this? The whole time. T-town. Everything. Notice how nobody's speaking up to Aria, because Aria don't play that. No, Ariya not fucking around. Ariah, he'll be like, okay.

And they say, you know, I'm sorry, I stand it for that. No sir. Honestly, now that I think about it, we do need to do a Game of Thrones Black recast, bro. Black recast,

Game of Thrones, but also just, we need to do the 10 worst decisions. Ten crashouts? Crashouts. The Game of Thrones crashouts. We'd be here all day. We'd be here all.

We got to do a Game of Thrones crashouts pod. Turing into his dad on the toilet. That's a crashout. Entenet say crashout. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He popped with Eddie. How's that a crash show? Oh.

It's deserved. It's deserved. I'll tell you, Tyrion's best crash out. Tears his best crash out is, uh, uh, a just now kings are dropping, like when he's talking to Joffrey. Yeah. He crashes out in their small council. He's like, he touched me like this.

Yes, I did. And just now kings are dropping like flies because he's pissed off the Joffrey trying to like do the whole fucking, that's his best crash out. Maybe not. Maybe he has a better crash out there because he does slap the shit out of Joffrey. There's, I mean, the trial when he has that speech, it's not really a crash out.

I wouldn't say that, but that's like really a proper moment. Does he has the most crash outs? He's got a lot of crash outs. He's got a lot of crash out. No, Danny was crashing out. Danny was crashing out. Continuously like crashing out, but then like try to crash out, but then be like,

no, we have to, you have to be good for the people. They don't want to see a city and burn. They want to, like, rule by fear. They have to love you. And then, like, the last season, she just burned the whole thing down. I know the best crash out is by far. But by far the best crash out is the viper. That's by far the best crash out.

Poor son of a bitch. Poor bastard. What a dumb ass. See, it's like, it's like, poor son of it. I get it, though. I swear to God, hold on, I got to say this, man. The viper, if you can hear me from where you are. You are dumb.

You're an idiot. But I get it, bro. I get it to me. So, you know, when you read about everything that happened, everybody knows, like, the Mad King went nuts. He had the Vipers' sister and all his nephews killed because of what was happening. And they didn't know where the Dornish would go and all that.

So all them had to get killed in the mountain, killed him, right? And not only that, but he did all kinds of crazy stuff. to his sister. So the Viper finally, he can't do anything to the mountain. No. Because the mountain is for the Targary. Not for the Targaryen. For the Lannisters. And the Lannisters are now running Westrose.

So basically because they fucking, I mean at this time, they definitely, they're directly running them. But Searcy was married to Rathian and all of that stuff. So you can't really do anything. And Adornish spent so long in rebellion

against the throne. that they spent a long time in rebellion against the throne. A long time. And they, a long time, the dragons couldn't even take over Dorn and all that stuff like that. And you don't want to get that shit kicked off again

because it took so much. So he waits all of this time. He really can't get his revenge. Can't touch off a war. The Dorns don't, they don't want to be back in rebellion again. His brother, who is the prince,

is not for all the fighting and all of that stuff. Then he finally gets his chance. He finally gets his chance. at his revenge because of what's going on with Tyrion and he wins. And before he has his coup de gris right here, he just wants you to say what happened. He just wants you to be like, hey, you blanked her, you murdered her. I want people to know I'm better than you and that you are scum

and these people that run you are scum and that this whole thing is wrong. Everything that happened is like the wife of the prince and all of that stuff, that marriage was supposed to guarantee safety. It was supposed to guarantee the safety of my people, the safety of my sister, the safety of my needs and nephews. And that's not what happened. What happened was the king went crazy and then had them executed over some political shit. I want, actually, it was Torrin Lanister, actually, who actually had them killed. He was like. On the account of the Mad King?

Well. As I, if I remember it, there is, so look, real quick, and we can do, we're going to throw it. As, as I remember it, as I remember it, the reason why they were killed is because Tywin Lannister didn't want more claimants to the throne. Oh. As I remember this, he, he is the one who had, because the, the, the, the, the mountain and his brother are actual. a servant class, a servant house to the Lannisters. So he had them killed because

he didn't want more claimants to the throne out there after they had deposed the mad king and what's his face? And Robert Barathean and Cersian and all of them were going to take it. So when they fled, he had them killed. Like Tyrone Lannister

was the one that had them killed. So it wasn't actually the Targaryans that did that. It was Tyron Lannister who waited until the end of Robert's rebellion to like get directly involved. He waited until he saw who was going to win to get directly involved. And so he wants his revenge on the Lannisters.

The Vipar is looking at this as the beginning of the end of the Lannisters period. And he wants everybody to know just how terrible they are and he is crashing out and he lose focus. But that is my pet peeve at every single movie a TV show when it happens.

When a nigga starts tap dance like he won, I know he's about to get. I'm like, dog kill him. first. Just, just, just, just, I mean, and I have a specific scenario, you can't kill him.

He needs, he needs him to tell everybody what happened. This motherfucker he needs him to say it. He needs him big as shit, bro. Kill that,

hell no. It's not the same. And so I, at that time that I watched it, I was like, yo, what is he, I get it.

But now I even get it more. You get the tragedy. Yeah, yeah, I get the tragedy. Your sister, your little nieces nephews,

everybody and all of that stuff like that crashing out. No, and the whole thing. popping you and making sure you dead. I would have invented a gun on the scene right there.

Some gunpowder. Some gunpowder. Boom, pop. All right. My last question, and then we are, for real, for real out of here. Because we are fucking, we're not even talking about anything that has to do with it.

Yeah. Do you think, do you think you could change the game in Westeros if you went with, like, let's say guns? Like, let's say World War II level tanks. Tank? And guns.

Do you think you could win over, like, The dragons. World War II tanks Take off. Oh shit, the dragons is going to be tough because they're flying. Yeah,

dragons are not. But you got artillery. You got the tanks. You got the tanks. You got the air artillery? The question is, how many tanks would you need? Like,

to kill one dragon? Well, not one dragon, but how many tanks? How many tanks would you need? Like, for example, if I took everything that they got at Camp Pendleton

right now, I'm good. If you took an aircraft carrier today, you were in 15 minutes. Yeah, aircraft carrier. Yeah, aircraft carrier. Put Tom Cruise in the jet. Because with the aircraft carrier, you got to put a couple battleships around the aircraft carry.

We could just shell Westwood. I even think if you had like American Revolution type shit, if you just had some cannons, you could get busy. I don't know. It's going to be hard to point those things. No, the dragons. What's the weapon, the dragon shit? They shot them with that. A cannon is way faster than that.

You don't have to aim. I guess. Well, they got the dragons with the fucking spears. That's true. The spear launchers, what are you talking about? Yeah, but I mean, that's a what? Yeah, no, I mean, it's not impossible. that at the end,

Sirce, not Circe's, Danny's dragons were some bitch-ass niggins. Yeah. They didn't have the dog in them, though. They wouldn't know.

Vagar and Mayleys. I'm going to be honest, all the dragons and in Game of Thrones kind of bitchmen. No. A lot of shit. It's not a lot of big game,

but when we finally see them, they don't really be getting anything like that. And this is disrespectful, right? Danny's dragons was whack because they wasn't, they didn't, it was a different game. They didn't have,

they had no vision. They're like the modern NBA player. They're not from the trench. They need to get out the mud. They was on, they was getting famous. They had 1.5 million followers when they was 15. Like they already had the game.

Like, they didn't need to go get it out the mud. Mayleys, Fagar, Sunfire. Yeah, these niggas, right? Come on now. They fucked you. They had to hoop. It was either that or star.

That's Ron Artes. Dreamfire? Come on, man. Yeah. Our waving, Jackson. What you're basically saying is the drag is started mirror. white women.

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