The Ringer-Verse - 'X-Men 97' Ep. 3, 'Shogun' and 'Invincible' Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

It's time for more drama all around, as the Midnight Boys recap the latest episode of 'X-Men 97' (11:28). Then, they break down the latest revelation in 'Shogun' (35:15) before finally reacting to the penultimate episode of 'Invincible' Season 2 (60:14). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You've got questions. We are. Steve, the architect, Allman, the builder and tinker of things. We are. Old Man Van. He of the receding, soon to be resurgent, hairline. We are. Coat Baby Chuck, the 24-carrier closer, aka the brunch hottie.

Together, we are known as a, of our midnight, boys. A-hoo! If I was on socials, that would be Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomi's job. Jome Skiddle. I saw you on Twitter. Sucking off LeBron James. Whoa. I knew that was coming.

I knew that was coming. Look at the engagement on that tweet. Job got done, buddy. Immaculate. The job got done, buddy? I bet it did. Did you have to wipe your mouth off after? Blow job got done.

Are you, are you, are you, are you, are you LeBron Stilgar? Lebrunst? You are. You're more like Dilo Stilgar. I'm definitely D.L.L. Stilgar. And I'm also going into the A.D. Stilgar, too. He needs his props. Y'all been disrespectful for too long.

Too damn long. That's a good question. Does everyone, who are you a Stilgar for? Oh, wow. Oh, y'all already know. Who are you guys a Stilgar for? I'm probably sitting there. I know.

I know who you did. Yeah, that's Bryce and Tiller. Steve, we know. Sam Rockwell? No, your mouth, still guard. What? You can't do this. We can't do that.

My God. We're not even 90 seconds. You know what? See, this is, I was about to come at Van. And I was about to be like, nah, I'm doing it. Van, you're an instigator. How? Like, you, like, for the last couple, like, I'm going to bring up one that was egregious.

I saw it on Twitter. Okay. Big sis, Rachel. Shout out to Rachel. Oh, wow. You got to stop, bro. Yeah, that's insingetting. That's insigating, like crazy.

Here's a thing. This I don't know you an instigator. Like, you got all your homies now are like single whatever. We're just navigating this L.A. lifestyle. You put Rachel on blast. You're like, all right, Rachel, you fucking white boys anymore? You bagging white boys anymore? Come on.

The people need to know. I'm like, damn, can she not live? First of all, I have a lot of white homies in this world who have been asking me about Rachel. And I just wanted to know, shout out to Rachel. I love Rachel. I love my people here so much. I want to know if those white boys have a chance. And it was Rachel who said that she needs to come home to the black side for a little while.

Okay? The D.A. Black. The blick. Then my follow-up. To the D.I. Shout to D.I. Shout out to D.I for giving us this platform, bro. You know what I'm saying?

Shout out to D.E.I. Steve. Appreciate you, bro. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for that thing. We appreciate it. Honestly, when the midnight wars were forming, did, you know,

the powers that be come together and be like, yo, Steve, you got to roll with them, okay? We just want to make sure you, like, we have an agent on the inside. Yeah, keep them in line, you know what I'm saying? I'm undercover. Back to the Stillgarde question.

I want to know. Just real quick, before we move on, who are you guys a Stilgar for, like everything that they do, Lisa Raqa'i. Give me all of you I'll tell you

For me For me Brack it down I'll tell you for a minute In high school I was a I was a Donald Lover Stilgar For a minute

Community Royalty Come on This honestly makes sense Because wait Did y'all see that One clip Where somebody's just like

Hey yo did you get curved By Jene Aiko And he's like I didn't get curved And I was just like He did it like It was on multiple Like

He was confessing his love for her On every All kinds of records Because of the internet, the song that she comes on, I forgot the name of that joint. Is it Telegraph Aft? No, it's not Telegraph Aft. Telegraph F is with, that's him and Lloyd.

That's a beautiful song. No, but I'm asking was Telegraph A about Jenei? Because this is Jeney from the Bay. Yeah, there's one. No, Jenae's from Slossin, but there's one where he goes, like, I met this girl and she, and she's, niggas be still in a vibe, blah, blah, text gets get me wet.

I can't remember how the record goes now, but she's on. the record. The one that I'm talking about where he's talking about how much she's on the record. She comes in at the end. Oh, yeah. Like, she comes in on the record.

It starts sun shines, starlight, whatever, and then he go. Like, that's the record. I love that, right? I just haven't listened to in a while. But I love because I'm going to be honest with you. I also was and probably am

a Donald Glover Stilgar. I probably am. I was. Here's the thing. I probably am. I definitely am. I definitely was. I was like,

I was like, I probably am. I was like, I probably am a Donald Glover still guard, even to this point still. I don't know why it became

so, uh, invoked to act like Donald Glover isn't the illest motherfucker. Like, he's just, oh, well,

all right. No? White people went crazy for Awaken my love in a way that I think for black people, we was like, all right,

but they had red bone on it. The red bone on it. No, it did have red bone It's like when the whites come up. Steve, how did you feel about red bone? It was good. Steve, what is a red bone?

This is a great question. This is a great question. Steve, give me the... I would be lying if I said that I knew what a red bone. Steve, give an example of a red bone. I do not have an example. A woman. No, no, just give us a famous woman.

That you think is a red bone. That you think is a red bone. I don't even want to... No, no, no. It's the same space. It's the same space. It absolutely is not. It's just us right now.

Steve, give us an example. So we can talk about X-Men 97, breath. We're getting to X-Men 97. We're not even to the program. Give us an example now of a woman that you would consider to be a red bone. Well, if I don't know what it is. Yeah. And if I just have to guess, Gene Gray?

Oh, right. Jesus fucking Christ. We need a video. Wow. Jesus, Jesus. We need video. That's great. We got something for you, Joie.

Don't you worry. Okay. Well, my smoke is coming. It is. Okay. We have to get to the program reminders. Steve, program reminders. This is how you remind me of what program is on.

This is how you remind me of what program is on. Thank you. Tomorrow, the House of Horror will give you their X-Men 97 check-in. They're interested in that. See what they see over there. Also, tomorrow, the Mid-Eye Boys will give you their instant reactions to Godzilla and Kong the new empire

New Empire Monday, Min Edition will give you their monster bracket now just what the fuck is that? We're matching up

famous monsters throughout history in a sweet 16 bracket style each person is going to be given their own matchups

and then determining our winners So it So it's Who's a monster though? So like Godzilla The xenomorph Mothra

It's Frankenstein a monster I mean I mean you can make the argument Yeah You could Although, I mean Because y'all are talking about

Kajou You're not talking about monsters But you said monsters But you mean kajus Because when you said Monsters I was like Well Dracula's gonna win Right

Like monsters is a monster Like monsters is fucking Y'all Y'all didn't think it through I'm looking at the fuck You know I make the distinction Wait wait wait

I'm looking at you guys's faces right now And y'all didn't think And we're like We didn't think it's through Because I'm thinking about the fucking The fucking creature

From the Black Lagoon Right, right, right, right. The classic, the monsters, man, these are the monsters. You guys, if you guys are talking about... Monsters, like, yeah. Kaijus and stuff like that. I want to be on this draft. Because I'll fuck y'all up.

Because y'all's not a draft. We're like, we're going to rank them one through 16 and they go through. It's more like, who's going to come in second to Godzilla, pretty much. Wait, how many, but... Yeah, but Dracula can't beat fucking Godzilla. We're not having Dracula. But you said it's a monster. You said it's a monster.

Okay, so... You said monsters, though. Yes, but this is an honor of... Godzilla, I think it's an honor of Godzilla versus Kong, so it'll be kind of weird for not Godzilla and Khan not to be there. Now, do you think there is interesting distinction between the kaiju and the monsters. I do think that is fair, and that deserves a lot of discussion. When you say monsters, just know what people are going to think.

Yes, you think of Dracula, Frankenstein, yes. Yeah, yeah. Little Monsters, the movie, or even they could be on there. Mike Wazzowski from Moner's Inc. Monsters. The Gremlins. The Gremlins. Okay, all right, all right.

We could keep going. We can be here. We'll be here all day. Okay, when Jay-Z was on monster, what did he say? Dracula. By the, Gapleck. Gobolugler. By the way, Jay-Z.

By the way, Jay-Z is a-consum. Everybody knows. Everyone's fucking monster. By the way, you guys, leave him alone. Hey, me! I'm just saying, before we start a record. I'm just saying, we're not going to get into the whole thing, but it's unfair to just put a whole jacket on the motherfucker.

There's no evidence. That's not funny, bro. I'm not even a J-Z fan like that. I love J-Z as a rapper, but I'm not like the biggest J-Z stand out there, you know, but like... Sound a little Stygar-ish. I'm not.

Yeah, a little bit. Could be. Did Rock Nation make the call where they like, hey, yo... It's just not right. That's the most... That's the most stodgarred as shit. It's not right, people? It's not right. It's not right to just be like, hey, man, this motherfucker probably doing

this too. This thing was somewhere like, Remember that 50 mean? I look at the computer. I look at the computer. Can you dickriding a little bit? Could be. Why are you defending this man? He's fine.

He'll be fine. All I'm saying is, I think it's... We gotta get to the show, man. All I'm saying is, I think it's bad for, like, just a completely innocent person to be dragged down with these type of allegations when there's nothing that says... It is a wild thing to say. We're like, wait a minute. What does that do with me? The niggas just go, and you know what?

JZ is... We should look into him. I mean, maybe people, maybe there are some things. You know, I don't know. Anyway. Oh, right. All right. Today's show, we're going to give our reactions to the newest episode of X-Men 97,

more Invisible, and we're touching back on Shogun. All right, spoiler warnings for X-Men, Shogun, and Invisible, Steve. Roll it. We're getting ready to talk about you're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Before we get to the instant reactions about X-Men 97, we have to put you in the no. The only person that can do that is Chuck Wacken, Chuck, taking away.

All right, this is your mini-midnight manifest for X-Men 97, Fire Made Flesh, directed by Emmy Yonamura, written by Bo DeMaio and Charlie Feldman. Bees confirms that Gene Gray was replaced by a clone-grade by a clone-Gene transformed into the Goblin Queen and turns the Xavier Institute into a hellish landscape, and not-clone Gene has to save the X-Men, but the Goblin Queen escapes

with Nathan to be with Mr. Sinister. Half the team goes to save Nathan from Sinister and the Goblin Queen while Wolvering Dirty Max on Gene, which gives her memories back. And after saving Nathan, Cyclops and Gene make the tough decision to send him to the future to stop the techno-organic virus he got from Sinister from spreading

even further. And that's been your mini Midnight Manifest for X-Men 97. All right, instant reactions to X-Men 97 episode 3. Charles, E-Crow. All right, so... Whoa, E-Crow. E-Crow.

No, because I've... E-Crow. Humble Pie. There's no way you didn't like it. Go ahead. I will say, I was faded out of my mind watching the first. Because I was getting drunk. I was literally like so drunk being like, yeah, because I literally remember?

What were you about doing on a Tuesday night, my man? Bro, I was out here, three, four bars mixing beers with the red wines. It was great. But anyway, I remember being drunk and I had to turn the episode off, but I was like, I think I turned it off. when Wolverine started dirty mac in because I was like, he was just like, Gene, just remember who I am.

Go deeper. I'm like Negro. She just had a kid, bro. Are you? No, she didn't. Not her. That's the real gene. All right.

But here's a thing. I will say, dog, this episode had me dying. It was the funniest shit ever. Because here's a thing. In like X-Men comics, you know there's issues. So you'd like, they changed up the, Madeline Pryor story a little bit.

But in this, because it's a cartoon, the minute they find out that this is a gene clone, all the X-Men are like, hey, yo, fuck the gene clone. Like, we hate you. Get out of here, bro. And then she just, like, walks up to a bedroom.

And she's just like, fuck the X-Men. And I'm just like, I was on her side. I was like, this is not how you treat a new mother. It's wild how quickly Scott turns on her. He turns on her. I mean, this happens in the comics, but it's like we had time in the comics. Right.

Dog, he was just like, oh, that's the real gene. Hey, yo. This is my child. She does begin to gobbling queen it up pretty soon after the reveal. But she goblin queens what up? She goblin queens. Who? The goblin queen.

I'm trying to find a goblin queen. Anyway, but like, let's be real. Dog, this episode, like, it was like funny, but I was also like, I guess this is kind of in line with the 90s cartoon. because I'm just like, could we have got one more extra beat? Scott could have been a little bit nicer to Maddie. He did not care at all. He forgot he damn near had a kid. Which it's actually kind of amazing.

What I loved about this episode so much is that this brings, if one and two were like the epic table setting of like, let's reestablish all of the X-Men and all of their characters and all of the types of drama and intrigue that come with it, this gets to wacky, fun. comic book bullshit. Soap opera. The things we love about the X-Men.

Exactly. Just a mess. That's what I loved about it. And that's why I'm about to say something here that X-Men 97 has the opportunity to be the most fateful adaption of the X-Men comic books ever. Because as I'm watching this with Kalika, she's like, oh my God.

The mess that's involved in this, it's not really your... She had really no idea who Mr. Sinister was or anything. like that. But the mess that's involved with this, it's not really your wife. It's, is it, it's your son, but it's a different person. But it's a clone. And she goes, and so Kalika goes, wait a minute. So cable is not actually Scott and Gene's son. I'm like, no, he's not. No. He is Scott's son with a Gene clone that was then sent to the, and she's like, what the, who's writing this? She's like, she's like, this is like passions or something like that. No, but people don't even realize in the comic books, like, even though they like make this so much faster of a jump, like Scott is such a supreme dickhead in the comics because Chris Claremont was even like, he was trying to write Scott out of the books at that point.

He was trying to be like, yo, like Gene died. He's going to go have a life with Madeline Pryor and it's comic books. People were like, we need Cyclops back. But so in the comic books, he's like, yo, if Scott leaves his wife, Maddie and their son, he's like an irredeemable dickhead. And that's just become part of like Scott's character now in the comic books where it's like, when you look at his track record, you're like, oh, not only is he super messy, this man loves Jean Grey so much, he'll leave Emma Frost, he'll leave Maddie,

he'll let his kid be raised in the future. I mean, that was one thing. Am I misremembering? Bishop in the comics doesn't take. Nate, does he? I don't think so. I thought that Gene and Scott in the future reason.

Well, yeah, that definitely doesn't happen because I don't think Bishop was even around yet. I think Bishop comes into the comics. I don't think they give Bishop. You'd have to look it up. I really can't remember everybody's like, I remember when Bishop first came on the scene because I had that book.

And I don't think that Bishop was around to take cable into the future. Because he was late 90s. Not late 90s. He used early 90s, right? Bishop, late 80s, early. Early 90s. I can't remember the first parents

of Bishop, though. I had the book, though. Bishop came back and it was Bishop, Malcolm, and then another guy from the XSE or whatever it was. And then one of them died in the first issue that Bishop was in. And then Bishop stuck around. In the future, Mother of Skani, a time displaced Rachel Summers. Yeah, Rachel Summers.

She takes the minds of Scott and Gene into the future. where they were slim and red. Slim and red. And they raised cable for 12. That's what I remember. Yeah. Like, yeah, they slim and red raised cable, basically up in the future.

And then when Bishop comes back, Bishop knows everything that happened, but Bishop wasn't the one that took into the future. And in current continuity, Bishop and Cable do not fuck with each other. They hate each other. But once again, this is actually what I think the show does well,

where it's like, if I'm, like, taking my critical hat off and I'm just being like as a nerd and an X-Men fan, I'm like, this is the minutia. this is the shenanigans that to me I'm like if the MCU is smart you're taking this as a blueprint

where it's like the X-Men are not the Avengers, the X-Men are actually a family and they need to have these type of like well Logan loves Gene but Gene loves Scott but Scott just had a baby with my clone and I now have to raise

the baby like that's peak X-Men and we're not even getting to the Magneto Rogue Gambit Love Triangle and whatever the hell morphed Scott with Wolverine, right? Like, this entire thing is just so messy

and I love it. I love everything. We never actually got to talk about it, but because we're talking about Love Triangles, did we ever talk about Scott Wolverine and Gene being a thruple now? Like polyamorous? Yes.

Like now, now that the real Gene's back? No, in the comics. They're a thriftle in the actual world of comics now? Yes. Oh, so the three of them are sharing each other now. Well, they literally, so they have, like, In the Kerkowa age, they have like a moon base, and that's like where all the summers lives.

So Young Cable, Rachel, Scott, Gene, and Wolverine live there. And they have rooms. They all have different rooms. And like, I think Gene is in the middle. Scott has a room. Wolverine has a room. But they can all enter Gene's room. And now, since in Krakawa, anybody can have sex because, like, one of their rules is like, we need to make more mutants.

Like, Wolverine is fucking on Gene. but Scott is also fucking on Gene. They might be having sex together. Also Scott is sleeping with Emma. It's a whole thing. See, this is what I'm talking about. So let me tell you. Y'all really not locked in on X-Men like that, bro?

I'm definitely not. But I like to hear it, right? I like to hear it because this lets me know that years and years and years of porn parodies have now actually come true Yep. And the actual comic book. Life really does imitate art.

Because if you watch this isn't Spider-Man or Spider-Man X-X-X, X, X. There's always a scene that's like odd. It's weird. It's like Spider-Man is with Gwen Stacy and MJ. And then Milf Aunt May walks in. Like, you all want some, what was there, some hotcakes? What does she always have in the comics? Miltf, Aunt Male end up having sex.

Weekakes. She'll end up having sex with Green Goblin. you go, that wouldn't happen, right? Because it's not the way it works. But in Coa, that is how it works. In Coa, that's how it works. In Coa, that's how it works. And all this, it all makes sense.

I know, y'all don't think this is true, but these writers have been influenced by stuff that they've seen. Are you saying that Jonathan Hickman watched too much X-Men porn? I know Jonathan Hittman watches porn, brother. X-Men porn? Somebody with that type of mind?

I know that he's influenced. Because that's the freak shit He's putting freak shit That's freak shit Come on the Ring ofverse I would love to have him on here That's freak shit Be honest with you

I love it Don't get me wrong I think it's very evolved But that's freak shit Am I wrong? Here's my question Where actually were Rogue and Magneto When all of that went down

With the whole gang in the X mansion Wait are they Are Rogue and Magneto Fucking in the danger? Gotta be First of all They booked that shit out for like Cip off of you

In this episode, a rogue and Magneto, have they rekindled their affair? It seems like they have. Wait, wait, wait. Or does Gambit just think that? Because he's so insecure about what he is sensing from them. It's unclear to me. I don't think that Rogue and Magneto have necessarily rekindled their affair. Well, remember in the first two episodes is one scene where they're in Charles's office.

And she's like, nah, I'm good. Like, it's past. But then they come. come back and he takes her glove off, right, or something? And they touch hands. Yeah, they touch hands. So it's definitely like, it's getting there. You know what I'm saying?

And they allude to a past that they had with each other. Right. That's the thing, though. But I think we're seeing their relationship a lot, which is very interesting. Right. Through the way Gambit perceives it. And the way Gambit perceives it is that it's untoward because he is insecure about it. Rogue has, as far as we know right now, has said,

hey, we had a past, but I'm not going there again. But they do touch, like, yeah, they do touch. So I think you do have a point where, like, we are singing with the Amazon, so it's going to be a little jelly. I don't, I think ultimately what it is is Rogue would just like to touch, feel the touch somebody. And so, like, whether it's fighting with Magneto in the Danger Room or whatever, do I actually think they're smashing?

No, but again. They booked out the danger room for like six hours. Again, but think about it. But again, if we're looking at it through gamutized, if I see the girl I like or the girl I'm supposed to be, you know, messing with with her ex and they're spending a lot of time together, yeah, I'm going to feel some type of way. I get it. You wouldn't want to book out the danger room to fucking, though.

It's got to be, there's got to be cameras and all types of different shit in the danger room. I think the danger room is probably a great place. I imagine it like a, like a holodeck from Star Trek. Well, because here's a thing. You could have like, you could program like an orgy. Yeah, yeah. You could be a whole bunch of shit. It's a holodeck, right?

I know at the same time, the danger room is probably the least private place in the entire. Yeah, there's like a whole observation thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. The whole observation thing is like all these things. They measure your stats and all that. But here's the thing. What I really need to know, we have to have a little bit of age gap discourse because here's the thing. Listen, Magneto famously Holocaust survivor.

Rogue, what? She joins the X-Men in her early 20s. so they already had a relationship. So that means, like, how old do we think Rogue is in, like, right now? Maybe 30s. Early 30s. So they had a relationship already. So she would have had to be what, like 21, maybe 20?

And fucking Magneto was how old? This is 1997, though. 60s. In the 60s. Well, so, yeah, for him to be, yeah, probably in the 60s. Yeah. So he's fucking on Rogue when she was like 20 something? Yeah, who cares?

Robert DeNiro. Listen. Al Pacino does it? They pop it out babies right now. I just saw a fucking picture a couple of days ago of Robert De Niro or Al Pacino, one of those guys with their newborn baby. It's nuts. Let them get that shit off. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

But Magneto is now, he's a teacher. You know what I'm saying? He's supposed to- Why are you trying to make it to something to listen? They adults. Let them get their shit off, Daddy. Oh, father. This is how it was.

This is what happened. This is... And this is exactly why. Steve, I want you to put something under this. Like, I want you to put something under this. This is how it happened, Rose. He's all, man, you know, and he was shirtless. He was lifting up a metal beam.

And she was like, I bet you I can make your metal bean mood. He does dress like... He's got his shoulder off. He does that shoulder off. Jomi, Jomi, Jomi, your voice is grating and throwing me off. I'm trying to get... Fucking sexy daddy. You know what?

I'll do a whole different podcast. Yeah, no, we'll clear out. You guys don't want to do it. I'll do a whole different podcast on Saturday nights, and it'll be Saturday night freak shit with hands. And it'll be about the freaky part of comics where I described in detail love scenes, just like I was about to describe.

You guys didn't even know what Magneto was about to do with Rogue. He was about to use the iron in her blood to levitate her and move in, out. All right. We need to stop. So there's not going on. Here's what I will say, though. Not to that level, but I will be very honest right now. It's just us, right?

Just the four of us in this room. Yeah. Nobody else is listening. Okay. When the Goblin Queen was like, hey, who's trying to come? It's over. You come out of there. You think the Goblin Queen is, she's doing it for you?

Brother. We're so, me and Steve are sitting in El Capitan Theater. You turn? She does the Sailor Moon transformation. Y'all getting bricked up. Oh, my God. Hey now. Hold on.

Hold on, bro. Yeah, bro. You see what a way, this is, like, y'all got the popcorn with extra butter? Did y'all bring the fucking doo-du-pocket? Bro, that's all. That was so crazy, man.

It's like, bro, me and Steve were sitting next to each other. And the L-capitette, what the fuck? You just see what are? What are? What are? Brow. Finish it. What happened in the L-Captainter.

What happened? She does the Sailor Moon transformation, and I turned to Steve. I'm like, that's over. No, he turned into a Tex-Avery cartoon. That wolf is blohing. Y'all's like freaky. To defend Van, you know, I'm always coming out of Van's neck. See, y'all always like, Van, you can't talk about this, you can't talk about the porn stars.

And y'all getting bricked up in the El Capitan with all the Disney fans. A children's theater. That's some sick-ass shit. It's a children's theater. It's a children's show. It's a children's show. Guys have never been to the El Capitan Theater here in Los Angeles. It's on Hollywood Boulevard.

It's a Disney-owned theater. So when, like, fucking Moana premieres, they're going to do, like, an amusement park outside of the theater. Right. Or they shut down Hollywood. Shut down Hollywood Boulevard. And you're going to see all kinds of people there. And these two freaks-deckle-ass motherfuckers.

We're in the children's theater getting bricked up to a cartoon. It's crazy. It's hot. I don't know today. They better to me. X-Men 97. Back to me, as the sincere feeling of the X-Men,

it is moving pretty fast. I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it too. Does the speed in which things are happening bother you guys? It's like, you meet Gene. Gene's not the real Gene. Goblin Queen. By the time we get to the end of it,

now we're in a real cliffhanger situation with Scott and Gene. They have to re-get-to-know-it-to-know-it-to-know-it-to-know-the-shot of them looking at each other while the bed is in the middle of them. Great shot. Very well-directed, well-directed cartoon series. Come on, Charles. Give it up.

Give it up. You got to be on board now. Okay, if you don't like the animation, fine, but the shots that they use here are pretty good. Honestly, no. Fuck you if you don't like the animation. That was, this episode went crazy. Yeah, I thought this episode was pretty good.

I thought this episode improved a lot on the stuff. Yeah, y'all don't know all, but it's okay. I have approved of You, though, you know, it's fine. In the first, I'm giving it up

to the show and you're like, but Charles, you gotta admit the anime. I'm like, bro, I watch too much shit. Like, no.

Like, we don't got to lie. Like, I can say, like, what I like about it. I say, we don't,

we don't got to lie. I mean, I can't tell the difference. I mean, I'm not an animation head like that. Like, what's great animation? Give me an example.

Once again. So, a lot of times people are like, oh, they're like, oh, anime, da-da-da-da-da. And I can even talk about just like

shit that I grew up on, which like the Bruce, the Timverse, like the Bruce Tim comics. Yeah, we kind of talked about that, I mean, no, not just that. Like Murakami's Teen Titans, you know,

even newer stuff, adventure time, regular show, all this stuff. I'm not just talking about like the quality of the animation. I'm also talking about the aesthetic of it.

And I do think that the one thing that just grates on me and this isn't just this. I think Invincible has this problem. I think the DC animated movies have this problem is that they're very, very stiff.

And a lot of times I'm just like, this is, it's almost not a style. It's almost a house style where it's like, we're going to make these characters look as fucking like

robotic as possible. And I just want a little bit more. Well, the DC animated projects vary in animation style from project to project. Not really. They absolutely do.

Character design, yes. Character is the models though? No, no, wait, wait. The DC animated stuff, maybe the early on stuff, but they literally, vary in animation style from project to project.

It's literally different, no? Am I tripping? No, like, you're not wrong in some instances, but like on the whole, I would say they're more or less the same. I think it's what we're, what I'm looking at here when it comes to what X-Men 97's

doing is this. They know exactly. No, no, so here's the thing. So, all right, perfect example. Like, if we're talking about like the DC stuff, like take the, there's that Teen Titans movie where it's like Damien, Starfire, all of them, take like even the Justice League one when they first get together and flash at all of that. Like the models are very, very similar. And it's just The Justice League when they first got together is literally, oh no, you're talking about the dark side one.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, there's the dark side one. But like, okay. They look at this because like, because literally like when you look at them, they'll have different versions, different costume designs for Superman. Yeah, character design, yes. But like the model of what they look like sometimes. I just don't think I know enough about this. Like sometimes I'm just like, it's a choice. But sometimes it's a choice where I'm just like seeing it a bunch.

I'm like, how am I going to fall in love with this? And that is the thing that I just watch the cartoons. I just, you know, I can kind of see what Charles is saying. I don't, I don't think it takes away from the show at all, though, is my thing. Like I don't, I see it and I'm not like, ah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, the story is great. The action's pretty good.

Ultimately, like, yeah, it looks, it doesn't look as great at some of that stuff. But, like, it shows. I think when it counts, it still looks amazing. Yeah. I think when Magneto's fighting the Goblin Queen and they're, like, throwing shards of glass and metal into each other. It's great shit. She's got the flames coming out of her heels and stuff. And when she kisses Scott, like, it's like fire out of her lips.

Let's give it. Let's give Charles credit for the fact that we were having fun talking about the episode. And, yeah. No, because here's the thing. Y'all baited me because I was just like, oh shit, like, I'm going to fucking, I'm going to talk about what I enjoyed about the episode. And then Steve's like, all right,

but the animation, you like it now, right? And I'm just like, dog, you know I don't like you. Why you won't get me started, bro? He's not wrong. He's not wrong. Okay, we're going to leave that discussion there, although I will say this. I'm very excited about this show.

This is my favorite show right now. This is your favorite show right now? This is my favorite show right now. besides showgun That's what I was about to say Real quick though Do you think that We've got a more

Teed up love triangle Happening between Scott Logan and Gene now that the real Gene's back No And she really You don't think Gene's gonna be like Hey Scott remember that time That you fucked a clone of me

And had a kid with her He don't know He didn't know She come on Steve See Steve See Steve that's that real quick shit That we could have Fuck all that Steve

I was terrible How was he supposed to know By the way, it's nice to let you, it's nice that you guys admitted finally when you were looking at the thing and the Sailor Moon thing happened about what I've been saying about Sailor Moon. This doesn't validate what you do about Salamoon. If I need to remind you guys, I'll send it to the group text again about Salem Moon. Have you ever actually watched Sailor Moon? No, and the reason why I didn't watch it is because I thought it was hinta because I've seen so many different Sailor Moon themed. Well, that's not, wait

Well, if it's live action, it's not a hentai. That's cosplay. I know, but what I thought, though, Charles, we don't need to be splitting hairs like this right now. Why? What's the wrong with me? Let's get it right. Let's get it right.

Let's get it right. Fuck this. Let's get it right. Hold on. Fuck this. Y'all motherfuckers act like y'all some prudes. Like, y'all never opened up fucking porn hub. Like, stop it.

Stop it, bro. You guys, that's why you guys, you know what? You know what? You know what? You guys are so repressed. The L-Capitan thing. is essentially Disneyland. It's like, it is.

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Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tremfair radio.com. Give me a spoiler warning for Shogun. We're getting ready to talk about Shogam. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Midnight Manifest, Chuck, go. And we're back with another mini midnight manifest for Shogun, broke into the fist and Ladies of the Willow World.

Torinaga returns and is irate at his son for starting a senseless war while he was away. But Taro, having survived, it's now forced to live with Blackthorn, Mariko, and Fuji. And after a drunken knight, Vantauro makes an ass of himself and reveals a Mariko's tragic pass. There's a dead pheasant, bad white people food and an earthquake. After saving Torinaga's life, again, Blackthorner is rewarded with a night at a brothel, which only adds more tension between Blackthorn and Mariko. In the capital, the regents conspire to get rid of Torinaga. but Lady O'Chiba arrives

who's the consort to the old Tycho and mother to his heir and she begins to start pulling the strings in her favor and that's been your mini Midnight Manifest for Shogam. Give it to me, Chuck, what you got? I think that this show is just operating

on such a rare level the same way that, you know, early seasons of like Game of Thrones, Succession, and or the most recent episode, episode six, it does something so simple, but it's like, all right, we're going to like peel back

and we're going to show you quite literally what every single woman in the show wants, what they're up against. And like, I think it probably, it's going to be a really hard scene to top this year. But when Blackthorn,

it's Blackthorn, Mariko and Kiku are at the brothel. And basically Kiku is like, explaining kind of like what this place is what her role as a sex worker

is all of this stuff and you can see the look on Mariko's face where she's having to translate this

and they're so in love Blackthorn and Mariko was so in love but there's something that is just will always be

between them you know the duty of of this place what she's supposed to do her history and when she

looks when Black has to leave, and she's, like, waiting there, and they brush hands. I'm like, this is such a, like, beautiful, heartbreaking scene, and it's only been six episodes, and I care about these characters so deeply, and it breaks my heart in such a way. It's not a lot of TV can do that in such a compressed time. It was amazing. It was.

I think there's something about ideas. We watch this stuff, but really more we feel it. So right away, the fact that he is the only person that she is the only person he can really, that she, she is the only person he can really communicate with. And he is the only man around that actually has to hear her in a way. You know what I mean? There's, there's a vulnerability that they share that's innate. And it's something that she's not quite used to. She's not used to like a man being vulnerable with her.

And we see them kind of get pushed towards each other by the fact that they are forced by a situation to leaning on each other in an intellectual and emotional way. And then you're seeing what everybody else is coming through. We knew that it was going to happen, but when it happened, it was like gratifying for me. It was like it was gratifying in a world that is deeply cultural and very beautiful,

but where it seems like everything is functioned, right? There's a stoicism to the world. Everything is honor. There's a structure to it. Traditions are hiding. Like, there's traditions so you don't break away from certain ways of living. Absolutely, right? And then even death is something that's a function of honor

and a function of hierarchy and class and all of that. So people don't even want you to mourn it in a real way. It's almost like an answer or a problem solver in a way. So it takes one of the most central things to us, which is the end of us, and makes it like, even in this episode, it says, you know, death kind of validates life in a way. It's like in one of the episodes. Anyway, I'm saying I'm meandering a little bit. What I'm saying is like there's a tenderness between them that doesn't exist with the other characters. at some times.

And so that it was really insanely gratifying and satisfying to see them find each other and just heart wrenching when her husband comes back. Oh, man. I hate that. Heart wrenching when her husband comes back, but you know something else? The same thing that the audience is seeing between them,

everybody sees. And that's what I want to ask. I'm just like, does it, just Torana? Because like, Torana, when he said, he's like, you need to go to the broth. I'm like, does this motherfucker kind of know? He knows exactly what's going on. Because even before then, he's like, hey, man, figure out your stuff with your homeboy, bro.

This is not cutting it. We have a job to do. There's stuff that needs to happen. This is not going to mess up my operation, right? And you talked about earlier, I think, again, this show is like, 09, Brian, 88, Jordan, 2014, Anthony Edwards. It's just moving to the next level. Right. There's the scene, you mentioned the brothel.

That scene where Kiku moves behind Mariko and essentially like puppets her words to Blackthorn. And it's essentially, it's essentially Mariko telling Blackthorn. Like, hey, it's up to me. Ah, we'd be right here, buddy. But I've got duty. There are things that need to. get done. Was she setting him up a little bit?

Because when they walk in, Mariko's like to Blackthorn, we are being watched. And I thought Kiku almost in a way is just like, no, we're safe here. You guys can be together. No one will ever know. And Mariko knows in that instant.

She's just like, if I sleep with him, this shit is getting out. And like that's what I thought she was doing by moving behind. She's trying, like she's playing a chess match and Mariko just can't break. If she breaks, everybody now knows.

It's not just her husband. It's not just Toronaga. It's like everybody. It's for the streets, yeah. So there's so much going on here, right? You have the idiot's son. Oh, I hate it. The Kendall.

The idiot's son being played by everywhere, perfectly cast, weak face, like perfectly cast. You have the idiot's son leading everyone into war. You have, They're just building plots, right? You have Toranaaga trying to figure out how he avoids being the victim of the council.

And then you have Blackthorn still trying to understand the world that he is in, which is essentially like a different planet. And every single one of those things is paid off by a plot, by an actual happening. You have the gruesome cannonball attack, gruesome. gruesome. And then they have to clean that shit. That episode ends with the cannon attack. And then like literally, if you go to the next episode and they're like, God, what the, why? What is he doing?

The grew. Once again, everything stakes penalties, consequences, right? And then one of the most moving things I've ever seen is the whole thing with Blackthorn and the pheasant. Oh my gosh. We got to talk about it. So a couple of things. The pheasant is gifted to him, right? He hangs the pheasant.

First of all, I'm looking up like, yo, do you have to do that to a pheasant? You do. Like, you kill a pheasant, and then you would mature the pheasant for a while. Like, you leave the pheasant for like seven days depending on the weather. To rot? Look it up. Yeah, I think it's because it's like so fatty and gamey that like it has to age out. Yeah, like you mature.

Now, I don't know if it, I don't know if you pose to leave it. You put that motherfucking a plastic. bag or something. I don't know what you're supposed to do, but you let the pheasant mature for a little while, right? They, he says something offhand. They don't have offhand in their culture. Yeah. It doesn't exist. Words mean something to them. Everything means something. Right. He says something offhand. It doesn't. And it cost. It costs. And after it does, it finally, after all of this time, dawds on him that he has to be intentional and responsible here or his strength will cost people lives. I thought, because when I come back, when they come back, right, leave the pheasant,

the pheasant's stinking. It's got flies, all of that. It's disturbing. A man gives his life to bring relief to the village from a rotting pheasant. It's insane. And then Mariko is telling him, she's like, that was the best death that he could have gotten because not only did he sacrifice himself, but he did it for a Hotamoto.

He did it for it. And I was just like, and still he's like, what the fuck? But I think what's interesting about this show is that if you think about these kind of like white savior movies or whatever, what's always happening? The ideals of the West,

our religion, our culture, our everything is the right way. They civilize them. But in this, it's doing something where it's like, it's not East versus West. It's like Blackthorn has to learn. Like in Western culture, it's like,

oh, I don't have to worry about my neighbors. Who cares if, like, flies get over there. Who cares if I'm stinking up the neighborhood? Fuck them. It's all about me. And he has to learn by the end of the episode. Like, no, not only do your words mean something, but you're a part of a community.

In the same way that Mariko is having to learn, like, what does it mean to be an individual? What does it mean to fight for myself? Like, what happens? What am I giving? giving up for my quest for revenge and all this stuff. And I'm like, it's a very, very smart decision to never make Blackthorn's way of life seem like the only way of life.

To actually show how these philosophies intersect and not how they dominate one another. So showing the intersection of them showing, hey, like, this is the power of community. this is the power of comfort, of understanding, of honor, and also this is the power of individuality. But doing it through characters, relationships, wins and losses. Not doing it through him being a shining,

like white night that comes and shows somebody how to make a fucking sundial or brings democracy to them or anything like that, right? Or no, this is how we would do this here. No, he has to, understand that his way, we're not litigating whether or not his way is the best way.

We're litigating whether or not it works. And the way that he does his thing, it doesn't work for these people because they have a beautiful, some would say repressive. I don't necessarily look at it that way. They have a different way of looking at the world and it's beautiful and it's strong and it's important and it gives their lives meaning, right? I think the thing the show does really well is it highlights the female characters in a way that every single time they're on screen, I'm locked all the way. And we talked about, we talked about Mariko and how great she was in these last two episodes.

I would give my life for Fujima. Oh, Fuji's my wife, bro. She is incredible. The way that, there's two scenes in this episode, in this episode, in this episode, where there's certain around drinking and Fujishama doesn't say anything in those two scenes but the way she was looking at

at Blackthorn and Mariko's husband they were on back and forth with like a looking around like yo like what the fuck is going on she knew it was going to go bad she knew it was going to go bad right she's like let she's just sitting there with her bowl

that was the funniest shit it's funny as hell because I was like I was like that's a black because I was in like a club or somewhere. I was just like, all right, man, shot's about to ring off. It would get crazy. And then in this last latest episode,

when Mariko is trying to get the deal for the consort, and the lady's like, oh, so you're familiar with Blackthorns game, right? And then Fuji looks, takes a sip. She's like, oh, I got you. Oh, man. You want to know what's genius about this show?

is like, if we think about back to like the Game of Thrones discourse where it was like, a lot of times people were questioning like, why are these sex scenes in here? Why are these rape scenes in here? Why? It seems gratuitous. And a lot of it was. What I enjoy about this series is like you have to think about when Blackthorn has to sleep with Kiku.

It's not played for like sexual delight. It is this psychological game of like Torinaga saying to him without even saying it, he's saying to both of them. Blackthorne and Mariko, there are people that you can sleep with and there are people that you cannot. And I'm going to teach you this. And it's so painful

because you're just like, she didn't really have to go translate for him. She's going there because he's like, this is your punishment. And it's like, in that moment, Blackthorn's like, oh, there's, I, if I don't go back with her, this is dishonoring so many people.

And it's like, oh, like, I'm like, that. is a really, really smart and elegant way to get at something that's very difficult because earlier in the episode, they're talking about the new shoddy that hates Torunaga. Oh, dude, I was just, uh, Ociba. Achiba.

Dog. Again, the women in the show, fantastic. The scene where she's talking to, oh boy, from the council, it's like, I look fate in the eye. And I scratched it. That whole monologue, bro. Again, not in the language I speak.

do not speak Japanese. I'm just reading the subtitles. It's 1.30 a.m. I'm barely, I'm barely alive. I'm getting goosebumps, bro. She was locked in. Phenomenal.

Good. So good. That whole scene, I'm like, soft, and sinister. Also, it was even before that scene when she said that shit,

she was like, hey, yo, man, if you do your job, we'll be talking about your shadow. I'm like, God damn, bro. Bar.

She was locked in. She was locked in. They tell the whole story. Her Marico used to be friends growing up. Then, like, she got married to the, to the Tyco, the whole thing. Like, we don't have to get into the story. But hearing, finding out, like, oh, this is where your beef comes from. And you really, really feel like, nah, that dude over there, he's got to go.

I was, I loved it. So, interesting thing is the show is, it's, obviously we're talking about a different time. and we're talking about male-centered cultures, right? There's never been a culture. Well, there's been cultures, but here we're talking about male-centered culture, right? So the show has been obviously centered on the men and sort of what they're going through, and the women have been there to sort of react to that. These couple of episodes turned the driving momentum of the show over to the women.

And it was brilliant. Like, even in the scene where Tornaaga and Blackthorn are having the drinking contest, right? Which in the lesser shows, ends up with them being pals. Because they drink and they drink and they drink and they drink. Once he seen Holboy hit the arrow, the same post, drunk as hell. Right. Like, hey, that's my dog, man. Yeah.

But, like, when you look at that, right, that scene is about her. She, like, when he shoots, she does not flinch. She is the strongest. They're drunk. They're losing themselves. They're going crazy. She sits there. Her function is to sit there and let this drunk, idiot, fool, shoot the fucking arrow and impress this other guy.

It's silly, but she shows absolutely no fear. She shows no trepidation. this is what she's chosen. This is what she has to do rather than be allowed to take her own life. And when you watch it, you're like, my God. Yeah.

Like you're like, and then when you come back, even in the negotiation with the just wonderful, wonderful madam of... Oh, man. Yeah, just the entire thing, you're like, these women have more agency, more power, more power,

more sway, more say-so, they're more determined, they're more resourceful than we could have ever imagined, ever imagined. They're doing it through within the constraints, the constraints, shall I say, of the cultural rules that are in front of them, but they're not weak or second class at all.

It's like Marjorie Tirel and her mom and all of that stuff and about when you start to get to, what's her name that killed everybody in the 7th? them. Oh, Circe. Sercy. It's like when you bring them out and when they step forward and you see just how much it is

that they're actually controlling and how these men sometimes don't even see it, I enjoy this version of the show as much or more than I did the first three or four episodes that we got. The genius thing that the show does also is like, I was kind of wondering where I'm, Toronaga is such a resourceful, smart leader that with Ashito, you're like, like they even say in one of the episodes are like, dog, Ashido, don't know, don't caught it.

He's good, but he'll never be great. And then you're realizing in that moment, oh, this is the Emperor Palpatine moment. This is like Lady Ociba is actually the person that Toranaaga needs to outmaneuver. And what the latest episode does very well is it positions the fact that like, oh, these women in this culture, strategically are a lot more capable of war

because what is Mariko's? Are you like, y'all do this for pride and conquest, power, but the women here, they're not going to get any of that. So Lady Achiba, she's been, she's had to be strategic in a way that a lot of these men have it. And I'm like, oh, that's actually who I'm afraid of now.

Like, Torinaga actually doesn't need to beat the regions. He needs to outsmart this woman who's already been fucked over. And she's just like, no, I'm burning all this shit to the ground. Oh, we do got to talk about that last, one of the last scenes where Kiku brings Black Farm back. And she's like, yeah, man, it was great. Brother got to come back sometime, man. And you see Mariko, she's like, she said, thank you.

Oh, man. Doesn't repeat. She had a good time. And then along the way, you see Omi looking like, that's his girl right, Kikki's his girl. he's like, what's going on over there? And if she look at him, and she look away, he's like, ah, he had a good time. Let's talk about Rico's husband real quick.

What is this motherfucker doing? Crashing out. He's a crash-out artist, bro. Is this an all-time crash-out? This is one of the greatest, bro. This is one of the greatest crash-outs. Here's a thing, too. Boss shit.

He comes back. He's like, motherfucker, I had to fight my way out. He comes back with the army. I'm like, oh shit, this motherfucker's about to run this town immediately after one night. One night, he just crows like, dog, you can't let Blackthorn fucking like outdo you. Blackthor fucking over him crazy. Blackthorn is like a fucking rabbit's foot. Honestly, you want to know what this was?

What? This was that Kendrick shit. Give it to me. I would love to hear this. Here's a thing, right? You know, Drake. Drake beat. It's meek-mill.

You're like, damn, da-da-da-da. Like, nobody can, like, nobody can do-da-da. He's feeling really good. He comes back. Kendrick in the cut, you're not worried about him. Yeah. All of a sudden, he just popped out. All of some bum.

And now, Drake is on stage, you know, giving his affirmation. It's like, nah, man, nobody can make me feel not like a king, bro. And I was like, dog. This was some Kendrick shit. But no, the show is amazing. I have a question. Go for it.

Do we actually think that, that she actually did give the Tycho an air because I'm watching the show and they're like, hundreds of women came and nobody did it. I'm like, damn, sound like his swimmers don't work, essentially. Oh, I took that as it's not his kid. I think she did what she needed to do.

And I'm almost like, whose son is that actually? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It can't be a nobody. It can't be nobody, but I'm thinking like, just tour or not.

No. That's what I think is the actual shit. Because even he's like, because what's his face? Ishido's basically like to her, he's like, oh, if Toranaga did all this shit, why don't you just say it, whoop-do-whoop, like, we can get him out of here. And I think she didn't, she's not saying anything because Toranaga actually like understands and has something on her. And she's like, this is my moment.

If I get rid of him, he can't hang the fact that like this might not be the Teiko's kid. Yeah. man wait do you think it's is it Torinaga's I'd be crazy I don't think so I think he knows

who's kid it is Also shout out shout out to our guy Yabushiga who's always looking like the shark The shock Pikachu mean When he's like

God guess I gotta ride another wheel Oh no he's my man bro He's so cooked He's like that after He's the best actors He's great He sucks Why does he suck?

He just kind of sucks. He do kind of suck. No, no, no. He, like, sucks as a human, but he's so funny. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, he's hilarious. Every time I'm saying he's always shocked. He was surprised about something until last week

he was like, I guess I got a time to ride another wheel, man. I guess I'm going to die this week. No way, he had to go to his fucking little nephew. And he's like, all right, you in charge of the cannons. And then I'm so late, he's like, you ain't charged the cannons anymore. I mean, he was like, you're charged of cannons. He was like, oh, no. And then the nephew's like, well, you're in charge of cannons.

He's like, yeah, no, I know. Yeah. Like, this is all just for show. Like, are you, are you an idiot? And he's like, actually, the white man that tries to can this night. He's like, oh, God damn. Yeah. That he, the uncle, the nephew and the son are going into the, you're fucked up kids' hall of fame.

Yeah, man. I don't like these little guys, man. They don't got the juice, bro. The nephew is actually not that bad. He actually is pretty smart. He can do some more strategy shit. He's like, actually. He gained.

He'd be cooking a little bit. He gained Toranaugasan into doing what he did. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Toranaan is an idiot. You know what he doesn't take that much. He's a crash test on me, for sure, for sure. All right, we're out of here. We're out of show.

We're loving the show, though. Loving it. I'll put it, I'll put you, like, if it lands, we might have another 12 on the midnight meter. Oh, I'm just saying, it's there. It's cooking. It hasn't had a bad episode yet. It's there.

It's up there. And the episodes continue to give us great stuff in different ways. Yeah. It's fantastic. All right. Uh, got to do it. Time for Invincible. Why do you sound like that?

Wait, no, hold on. Don't preempt. You don't know what I'm going to say? I'm saying that we got to do it. We got one more thing. You got to cover it. Steve, can I get a spoiler warning for Invincible? Please.

We're getting ready to talk about Invincible. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. I liked this episode. That's what I'm talking about. We're so back.

We're so back. It's coming along. It's coming along. So I liked this episode and let me tell you. Okay, so there was Amber stuff, which I'm not a huge fan of, all right? However, the show grounded itself back in what I love about Invincible, which is Mark's struggle to connect with what he wants to do and what the, what, what, everyone else thinks that he should be doing. Everyone else being Cecil, being the Viltrumites,

being his mom, being Amber, or like whomever that is. So seeing his back and forth with the guardians and seeing him in terms of back and forth, I mean, being called away and all of that, that's Spider-Man shit. We've seen that before, right? But when it gets to the point

that he's actually having this amazing day with Amber, and the danger and the stake and scale of who he is gets thrust right in front of his face with that viltrumite lady who comes to force him to confront what he actually is, that's when Invincibles adds best to me.

That's like, to me, that's when I am really locked into the show because this kid that we have fallen in love with, this hero, is really a harbinger. Right? He's really an instrument of doom. and he's being convinced that he's different things. He's being convinced that he's human.

He's being convinced that he's a hero. He's being convinced that he's an agent of the government, and he's being convinced that he's this viltramite world beat or world taker. So when those things crash, that's when I love Invincible. It's such a good point because, again, when Invincible is at its best, it's because of the fact that when Mark stops his day, beating the dog shit out of him in season one.

It's because he's exactly thinking like that. It's because he has indoctrinated his life. Omni Man has indoctrinated so much into thinking that he is this absolute destructive power or an oppressor and a converter of an entire planet that when he begins to think small and intimately about what it means to be a family, what it means to be a person, that gets swept out. So when the inverse happens, when Marks, confronted with being this

uber powerful thing and you can't think small you can't have these small nice things Mark that's where I really get interested in this show that's when we're actually cooking here and I really think that like it takes a long time for that show to gestate on those things but when like those harsh realities

come into focus that's when invincible cooks and I think the finale is going to do that exactly Charles man let him talk come on Nah, man, you know, it's been a good show. Hey, guys, this has been the midnight boys.

Like, shout out. You close us out, bro. No, I mean, I will say, the first half of the episode lost me. When they had that song, soundtrack in Amber's Day, I really was like, bro, I'm about to shut my laptop, bro. I was like, if I have to see any more, I was like glad the breakup happened. I was like, if I have to see anymore, Amber and Mark's ass, I'm never watching the show again, bro. Like, no offense to Zazi Beach. she's doing her thing, but come on, get Amber out here.

I will say, to your guy's point, when Anisa shows up, the momentum happens. Like, I'm just like, I kind of wondered why it took so long where I'm just like, the minute of Vulture White shows up in the show, I was like, I like did the meme where you like go forward in your chair because I already knew what's going to happen, but I still was like, oh shit. But then I kind of was like, I'm not going to lie, I was a little let down because Anisa shows up and then we got Engstrom at the end and I'm like, dog, I've even, I forgot. I forgot about them too.

And that's kind of my issue where it's like, Engstrom was set up in the beginning of the season to basically be the big bad. And it's like we kind of see in the first episode, the multiverse, we see like what happens in these universes, whatever. We kind of haven't seen Engstrom in forever. So I forgot.

And now I'm like, oh, wait. So the last episode is just going to be an angstrom episode. I was like, all right. This is shameless from you, Charles, because you know what's happening. I know what's going to happen. But I'm like, also because I know what happens, I'm like, motherfucker, I just want the ultramites. Like, I like, that's like, that's literally, it's not such a basic thing.

But overall, though, this episode did a great job. Even the Amber stuff in this episode, it, it seemed like there were, there was more to it, right? Yeah. The scene at dinner, like, worked for me, where it was, like, when Anisa, like, has her hand around Amber's throat, and you're kind of like, oh, shit, it goes from zero to 100. I'm like, no, this is really, really good storytelling. Like, if I have to compliment, because here's the people have to remember,

like, Invincible is one of my favorite comic books, period, ever. But I think this episode kind of illustrated to me, the thing that's, like, hard for my critic brain to turn off, which is the thing that's great about Invincible, the comic is that Robert Kirkman is basically like trying to subvert poke fun at parody

years and years of comics like he's parading Spider-Man's black suit, you know, new people taking on the mantle, like the Superman stuff. Like there's all, each arc he's kind of taking a big thing in the comic book just in the superhero comics in general.

Troops and stuff, yeah. Troops and kind of like boiling it down and making it not only accessible, but super funny. but there was a moment in this episode that is quite literally lifted from the comic books. Oh, I know exactly you're talking about.

When Mark and Amber at Comic-Con, that's a famous panel where basically they do like a similar panel and the joke is like, this is what comic book artists do, you know, to cut corners. The reason that worked in comic books is Ryan Otley is one of the greatest

comic book artist period ever. In animation when you do that, I'm just like, this would only work. in a comic book. Yeah, like it worked in a comic book because that was gorgeous art. It doesn't work in when you make the joke about cartooning because this isn't a gorgeous show, no offense.

Well, I mean, like, I liked it because again, I like the reference and I like the meta commentary. I thought it was pretty funny. But I could imagine why somebody who hasn't read the comics to be like, yeah, what the hell's going on? Because not only is it like, you know,

a joke for the comic readers. It's a wildly off base thing. It's a wildly off base, but not even that. You're like, hey man, we won't how many, six things? what he's doing right now. And y'all are here making this joke? It's not funny, man.

I'm like, where my show at, that's what I was thinking. I was like, you can't make this joke. Like, y'all had to take this massive break. Like, they didn't know. They probably didn't know that they had to take the break, but I was like, this ain't landed. So, see, I liked it.

I liked it, but I could get away. I thought it was funny. I thought it was funny. Like, when they go, like, and then we go to a Y shot, and you can't see that nobody's moving, but you don't notice because the camera pans. And then sometimes people take extra art,

takes your time to draw the characters. and you see that Mark kind of looks differently. Like it's different from the Ryan Arley art. It's similar to like some of like the later Invincible Art. I'm like, oh, man, I understand. Aha, I'm having a great time. This is funny. But it's like, it's too cute for where we're at in the show.

That's what I'm saying. It's like, all right, that's a lot of dip. It's so much. I was like, bro, like, you got to have like bars. Y'all got to be zippered up to make that joke. And y'all, y'all not. I like this episode a lot. Again, I've been enjoying the second half of the season.

I think a lot more than you guys for some reason. I don't know. I think ultimately I just really love the character and I love this world and like we talked about like the soap opera stuff in X-Men. I do enjoy like the Mark and the Amber stuff

like the Donald William, you know, stuff. All right. Kick that shit out. We cut that shit. We don't really. But the Oliver and Debbie stuff, I love it. Oliver Debbie stuff I love. And I love like, and Van mentioned this,

seeing how Mark has to now, like, how he has to, you know, he has to split himself. He's trying to split himself at half, basically. And he can't do that. He's realizing, like, yo, I either got to commit to the superhero thing or I can't be a part-time superhero, essentially. I either got to commit or live a normal life. And ultimately, like, that's the part of the show that I love so much.

And that's why, like, I'm enjoying it so far. And I think we talked about it when episode five came out and how like you just went straight ball to the wall and we're like yo what blast where's the breather I think this week is the breather and if next week's episode ends where I think it's gonna end

I think we're set up for an amazing episode was a breather well it's not like I didn't think so at all not in terms of like in terms of like so it's the difference between stuff happening and stuff happening let me explain right like we're like episode five

there's a lot of stuff going on, right? But it's basically like in that episode, in that moment, they're fighting the sequins, they're fighting the Lizard League down on Earth. There's a lot of things happening in the episode versus stuff happening, which is, oh, Mark and Amber are breaking up. That has implications on Mark's life,

on Amber's life, on his relationship with certain characters going forward. That is stuff. Oh, okay. We're getting into like real, meat potatoes of the characters in their relationships. So it's not like,

so next week it's just going to be, again, I've read the comics and I know what's going on, stuff is going to happen that I think is going to be really interesting to see on screen. I don't know how fast they'll pace it, but if it ends

where it ends in the comics, I think they'll end in the comics, brother, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. I can't wait. I'm excited. Charles, you have other things to say.

You don't like it. No, it's not that it. Like, I feel like you're all, you guys are always like, yo, why doesn't Charles? It's not that I don't like. I don't hate it. Like, Invincible is a fine show. Like, it's like fine.

It's just, maybe this is just a me issue. Like, I just don't feel anything at the end. Like, like X-Men 97, Invincible. Like, they're like cool to look at, but I don't. And maybe this is unfair. Like, I feel something when I watch Yogan. I don't feel much besides nostalgia. and like, all right, cool, stuff happened.

But my last thing. And this is in comparison, and start comparison to the last season of Invincible where you felt a ton of shit. But that's because, like, it's kind of like the comics. It's just like you have the Omneman Invincible fight that is just like, I actually,

I was kind of okay on the season and then the Invincible Omneman fight happened. I was like, oh, shit. And not to give Chris Ryan, like, too much. credit the cartoon hater, but I'm starting to realize, uh, am I at the age where, because you brought this up, it might be hard for me to kind of enjoy some cartoons.

Wow. I know, I think you're just back in my day some shit. No, it's not back in my day shit. Because I do think there is a level of like American animation that like, I was older when like all, a lot of this shit was coming out, whether it was Adventure Time, Rayleigh show, all that other stuff. I just think where we're at with animation. right now, I'm just kind of like,

I'm not that invested, and that's fine. I don't believe you, because when Djizu Guys in Season 3 come out, you're going to be there. Anime's different. We're talking about American animation. I do agree that Western animation is in the mud right now. It's in the mud. We're fine. No, wait, but here's the thing. Not always, because, like, Netflix

will have shit. They got Arcane, they got Blue Eye Samurai. But that's too far and few between, frankly. Yes. That's the problem. It's like, every like, once a year, we'll get of them. Maybe.

Maybe. Like, hey, yo, it was Arcane in 2022. It was Blimey Sam, right, 2023. In terms, like, we used to get shit every, like, we used to get like two, three things a year. Not even to, not even to hype you up, Jomey, but, like, even when I talk about, like, the state of American animation and, like, how shit looks. Yo, young justice when that shit dropped.

Come on. Beautiful. Like, that's the thing where it's, like, Invincible and X-Men 97 don't look like young justice. I'm not talking even about, like, the art styles. I'm talking about, like, the quality of I was like, the first time I saw a young justice, I'm like, oh shit, like, this is lit. And I don't know for getting that quality as much anymore. We're not. We're really, we're really not. I don't know what like the studios, the people

behind the scenes are not investing in animation like they used to. And so now that's why these things are taking so long to come out. That's why like we, two years or three years between Arcane Arcane Camel? What? Was it? Oh my God. Oh, like, two and a half, I feel like three years almost since Arcane. Yeah. So like, okay, so that. That means if Arcade came on 2021 and then we got Blonde somewhere at 23, like, what are we doing? You know what I mean? And even that, like, what? Arcane is from a French company?

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, making animation in America, like, after the pandemic, has fallen off a cliff. Well, they're not getting the budgets. We're not, like, they're not, you can just tell where I'm just like, oh, you guys aren't, this is just a different world. Like, this isn't the time when, like, Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon were, like, releasing seasons every fucking.

in gear. Like that shit is done. It's like, yo, y'all got a small budget and y'all coming back like once every two and a half years. Even, even I'm looking, I was watching shows I watched Owlhouse during the pandemic. I watched and Phoebe during the pandemic. Great, great shows. Out of our house didn't get to finish its run. It had like three movies tan at all. The fuck is Owlhouse. Y'all not locked in. It's fine. Don't worry about it. And then they never, they, Haley, Haley's on it. It's not getting a second season. Like, that's Disney. Don't worry about it. Don't hate. He's in his bag.

What are these shows? I'm not trying to be an asshole. What is Al House? What is Haley Zonit? Okay, so Haley Zonit is the show about a girl who needs to, she goes on to save the world in the future. But in order to protect her in the past, she has to fill out a list of, it's very complicated.

Our house is about a girl who gets transported to a magical world. Basically, Isakai, which I hate. But in this show, I hate, I hate, bro. Man, Trot, tell me up. Come on, man. Tell me up. Fuck that Issaq. Fuck that Issaq.

It's crazy. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's terrible. But it's basically that. She goes to a magical world and she has to like learn magic. She's got friends and a new like a, it's great. She's an, she's an owl?

No, the house that she lives in is the owl house. Don't worry about it. I'll spend it to you out. Okay. I just don't know. I'm trying to keep up with this animation conversation, but Jeremy and Charles are too locked in. It's cool.

It's cool. Tell me no ball. But here's the thing. Wait, I will like a hug before, but owl house is a cartoon. Yes. Okay. If Disney has decided Yeah, actually we're not going to spend all this money on his animation.

If Disney don't want to spend money animation, brother. We've lost the plot. It's cooked. It's cooked. Outhouse, baby. We used to get, man, we used to get animated shows coming out every year. Fucking great. See, now you are back in my day.

No, it's not. It was better, though. It was. It was. You try and tell me Invincible looks as good as shit we was even getting decade. No, no, no, exactly. But is it Invincible?

Okay, so last question I'll ask. When you say looks as good, isn't Invincible trying to recreate the look of the comic book? But it doesn't do that. It doesn't. I actually do not think that this looks like, which is also my thing where it's like,

Ryan Otley and what he was doing, even Corey Walker, Invincible is one of the most beautiful superhero books that was coming out, period. And I get it for Invincible to come out and be an, like, this is an hour show. Like, it can't, like, it has to kind of look a certain way. They have to move a certain way.

It has to be very chop, and all this shit, like, just to cut corners, I'm not an animation expert, but it's like, all right, perfect example, young justice, it does not look like, like you can tell. I'm just like, oh, the budget for young justice was just huge. How many episodes were in the first season? That's 26 episodes. You know what I'm saying? And, like, those episodes look good and you're like, oh, we're not,

making 26 episodes anymore. We're making eight. But in fairness to Invincible, and this is also where I think they fuck themselves, there's a reason why you don't get hour-long cartoons. Because sometimes I'm like, how did they even make this? Like, that's such a, you don't...

Yeah, long, long stretches of work. Joey, how many hour-long cartoons can you even list? The, that are movies? That are movies. I saw, like, Blue-Ey samurai, it's... It's hard. It's hard. You know, and that you can't really do...

And that's why I give... Like, this is nothing against the animator. I'm like, animating 45 to 50 minutes of a cartoon. Stuff. Is just as if not harder than what they're doing on Shogun because they have to keep doing this over and over and over. That's a lot. It's just a lot.

So it's like when I say like, I don't like the animation, this is nothing against the people working on it. It's just like. Yeah, I saw some people get at you about that. Got me about what? Saw it on Twitter. People were like, have you ever made anything? You are.

And here's the thing. And then you just gave a real thing. Then you gave some milk toast bullshit. Not bullshit. No, no, no, no. We're going to chill off on this. Because, niggas, I've been doing this fucking too long, all right? First of all, I've been a critic way too fucking long, bro.

My bills is fucking paid off that shit. Oh, talk your shit. I don't like, because this is the most anti-art shit. This is how we get here. Where everybody's complaining, like, yo, how do we get all this shit that's terrible? They're feeding a slop, whatever. It's because your anti-art motherfuckers don't know how to fucking read. Y'all don't know this.

You don't know how to support this shit. Please, can I have some media? What people say, what people say, Oh, have you ever created anything? Yeah, nigger, you want to know how I know? Because the niggas don't want to pay for the shit you create. So what you have to do, why does criticism fucking exist? Criticism exists because, yo, people want, when they look at something,

a lot of times they need people to either help them contextualize it. Why is this important? Why is it important to our life emotionally, politically, spiritually? and a lot of times I'm gonna be real I'm saying this about slop and content because y'all motherfuckers didn't want to support the real art so hop off my fucking dick bro I'm tired of this shit

That did Poo-Bee-Bee-Bee What? Niggas into all right Why's the MCU in the mud Why did the superheroes? And I'm like because y'all eat up the slop And then y'all be like

Oh why they treat me list like piggy's oink oink Maybe because y'all dumb motherfuck Don't support the video Oh wrong wrong something new Charles's little piggyes That's the new word, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's the new word for somebody who loves the Slag. This is Charles. What Charles just did was LeBron James after the 2011 finals, where he called y'all broke.

That was so funny. That was so funny. That niggins are a handle of the heat if you want. What I'm going to do is I'm going to travel around with my motherfucking family. Y'all got to go back to y'all. Yeah, got to go back to y'all. regular lives and the same problems. Hey, Steve, cue that up.

Does it bother you that so many people are happy to see you fail? Absolutely not. Because at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, you know, at the end of the day, they got to wake up tomorrow, have the same life that they had

before they woke up today. They got the same personal problems that they had today. You know, and I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. So, you know, they can get a few days or a few months

or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself but to Miami heat not accomplishing their goal, but, you know, they got to get back to the real world at some point. Bro, like, bro, that's the moment that I actually started fucking with him. Because I was like, who says that, bro? That's so funny, bro. You broke down bastardsages. I don't give a fuck.

You're going to still wake up and have the same person. But here's the thing. You want to know why I fuck with that? Because you could tell you really just dumb pissed a black motherfucker off when he's like, oh, y'all niggas broke. Like, you can tell me what they start saying that you like, dog. So this happened at the gym one time. No.

Have I ever told this story? No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't tell this story. This happened at the gym. we were hooping in the gym at Hollywood and there was a member of boys to men that was in there playing with us.

Oh, my. Yeah, it was a member of boys to men that was in there playing with us. And this is a nice guy, he's a great guy, devoted his life to being a singer and having number one hits. Just wasn't, not the type of guy that's going to come to the gym and get buckets.

And motherfuckeruckers started letting him know. They started hooping on him, fucking over him, the whole thing and talking shit. You whack, you this, you that. And he started letting us know how much fucking money he had. He started telling us about where he'd been, the women that he met,

the things that he had done the whole night. And it was like, hey, the fuck you're going to say, this is unbended knee talking to you. He was like, what are you going to say? He was like, walking off the court, he was like, shit, you ain't got no wins today. He was like, I tell you what I do got, nigga. I got money, nigga.

He got it, man. I got money, niggins. Because you can't say shit to that, bro. At first, at first, it was, I was like, ah, it's kind of corny you on through that. And then I was like, you know what? Why should this motherfucker take this pick-up basketball game seriously? Yeah.

Let him get his wins in for a second. And then we started pumping his head up. And as we pumped his head up, he just started talking more shit. And talk your shit. Talk your shit. Talk your shit. shit, I've been to here, here, I didn't talk to her, her, her, that girl in that video you like, yeah, I fucked us, same shit.

It's what Charles is did. It's like that SpongeBob, unreliable. Y'all niggas broke. Yeah, so you go. Here's the thing, also, I apologize to the audience. I've been living reckless out here, so if in a couple weeks, if I'm like, hey, yo, I was just going through a thing, you know? Just like, just like, I hit the wine bars too hard on a Tuesday.

My fault, man. I see, this is what I don't like about you. I'm saying all your shit. Stand on your shit. It's like, stand on your shit. You talk your shit and, hey, that's your shit. I believe that with my chest. But if my therapist is like, hey, yo, Charles, I'm prescribed.

I promise you. I noticed that I wouldn't yell about this. I tell my therapist I come on the podcast and be calm. Oh, my gosh. You guys, that's it. Packed, packed, packed. Midnight boys for you guys today. Packed.

That's a wrap. Tomorrow, the House of Ar, we'll give you their X-Men. check in. They're going to check it in on the X-Men. We're going to see what they think about the animation. Hopefully they're more favorable to it than Charles was. Also tomorrow, the men-night boys will give you their instant reactions to Godzilla versus Kong New Empire. Those are actually two monsters.

Not really. Kaiju. It's like on. This is what they are. And on Monday, Min-Edition, we'll give you their monster brackets. Under much debate now. might need to change a channel a little bit.

Might go through a bit of a rebranding. Kiju brackets. I mean, their monsters. Kaijus are monsters. Yes. But when you say monsters, it invokes...

We should be distinct, yes. Right. Next week, Middai Boys talk more X-Men, Invincible, and Godzilla versus Kong. Also, next week, we're going to have a breakdown about the El Capitan Theater

and security measures that need to be able to be. It can be putting praise there and how much butter should be given to each person that's there so they don't get the opportunity. I don't talk to y'all, man. Credits.

Our producer is Steve, the architect, Alman. Jomi, the explainer at dinner on his own socials. Hashtad Jomi Jomi the Goplin. Jomey the Gondor Goplin. Apparently. Oh, my. Jone of the Goblin King. An additional production from Arjuna,

Ramb Gapal. Charles, take us out. Y'all motherfuckers broke. Shogin is in the zone. I'm looking for my goblin queen. Cause Gene Ray's a rainbow. This was some Kendrick shit. Wait, so who's pushing in this situation?

Oh, who's pushing in this situation? Wow. Ooh, I don't know. Just waiting in the wings. Well, he already had Adidon. He had that ready. He had what? Adidon.

Story of Adidon. That was his diss. You like that shit? It was good. Tell me. Give us your break. Wait. He break down for us.

Actually, fuck me. Steve, Steve, give us your really quick breakdown. of the Kendrick Future Drake Beef. Did you like the record? I'm not up on how Future is beefing with him right now. But I do, what? Sorry, what was the question?

Steve. He's trying to, nah, he tried to sell. It was the Jean Grey Redbone. You ain't up on the future records. It's crazy. Let me tell you something about Steve. Y'all remember Adam Dunn?

From Jackass? The baseball player. Nope. No. Y'all remember him? So he was this gigantic white person. that only did two things. Either he hit a towering home run

or he struck the fuck out. It was only two things that y'all remember Adam Dunn? Adam Dunn? I'm thinking of Ryan Dunn from Jackass. How many homeruns that Adam Dunn hit? I'm not, I'm looking at Adam Dunn baseball, and I'm not seeing anything. Am I wrong about this?

Is Adam Dunn a person? Adam Dunn. No, no, Adam Dunn American baseball player. He played for the White So, the Reds, the Diamondbacks, the Nationals, and Oakland Athletics. Right. You are all Adam Dunn.

Like, his last season, he hit 219, but he had 22 homers and 64 RBI. Oh, shit. Like, Adam Dunn was, he was crushing the ball, but if he didn't crush the ball, it was a strikeout.

You know who's a better example of that? I'm walking Phoenix in science. Chris Davis. Chris Davis as well. Adam Dunn, career, 237 hitter, 462 homers he was hitting these homeruns Here's the thing I think

The Sactivist What I've realized is When the sactivist is out in the streets You gotta keep up with black culture You know You're not in the streets anymore Steve well you're the thing I gotta do the research for the show now

I gotta be up on Future It's a lot going on I heard the disc though It's good Oh right It's good So when he said

When he said Even Prince I'll live Mike Jack What did that mean? That means that Prince outlived Michael Jackson, therefore the better artist will live longer. Boom. I don't know if it's like... It's not like that, but it's...

Well, that's what he would insinuate. Well, first of all, we got it. That's a bar, but also it makes no sense. Well, no, because on, what's it called? The To all the dogs, the one... First question, he really means. He said, I'm Mike Jack. No, I know that.

But he's like, but here's the thing. The bar is cold, but here's the thing. Michael Jackson is still like... But he was the... But Michael Jackson was the pop star. Yes. I understand. The real artist will.

Yeah. Although Michael Jackson was a, okay, we're getting off the topic. You can break that down. Right.