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week. We hope to see you there. On today's show, we react to the latest episode of X-Men 97 and give you some nerd news. Now, here's a deal. It's time to get into the show. We're going to be spoiling a lot of stuff, and I've got to be honest with you guys about this particular show

in X-Men 97. We need a platinum spoiler warning because some of the things that are getting spoiled in this show on X-Men 97, some of the stuff that they're doing are some of the most important things that have happened to comic books, particularly in this episode. So if you don't want to know a fundamental change

that happens to your very old friend, Logan, James Howlett, then you might not want to listen to this show, but it's an Instagram show, so you do want to listen, so I resent that I have to do this, and I resent that I have to ask Steve to play the spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about... You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right, now we have to put you in the know about this episode. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wack and take it away, Chuck. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for the Penn Ultimate episode of X-Men 97, directed by Emmy Emmett Yonamura, written by Anthony Salidi. and I'm not going to lie to you guys. I did not write this down, so we're going off the top of the dome. What I remember of this episode?

Xavier is back. He's sleeping in the burntout mansion. Everybody's like, fuck, Xavier's back. We hate you. Then the X-Men get over their daddy issues. Blue team, gold team have two different missions. One team is going to stop Bastion. The other team is going to stop Magneto.

But before they could do that, Magneto shows up at the mansion. He's like, yo, who wants to join me? me, humanity's fucking us over. Rogue is like, my boo is dead. I'm going to my side boo. And then Sunspot is like, I'm going with you too. So then the X-Men go to fight Magneto. A very spoiler warning.

Once again, spoiler warning. Magneto rips the adamantium out of Wolverine, one of the most consequential things that ever happened in comic books. And Bashin and the Sentinels fuck over the other team. And then that's the finale. Did I miss anything? Not really. That was off the dome.

midnight manifest, but I think that it works. Okay, let's get into the instant reactions. I'm going first this time. I love this show. It's time for me to become a glazer. I want a special glazing sound drop. He's a fan, he a fan, he a fan, don't get a fan.

He a fan. Freaky ass nigga, ruffle your alive. Grease report. The glaze report. The glaze report. The glaze report. The glaze report. The glaze report.

The glaze report. with Van Glazer What's the What would be the sound effect For glazing I was I was thinking This is how fat I am

I was thinking about the The crispy cream Yeah If you could like If you could like Have that sound Just look Two fat niggas

Talk to each other Because y'all eyes were like Yo You're crazy Yeah You're lost six glazed I've never I've never had

A Kris cream donut When they have the light in the frat. What? Oh, gosh. That makes so much sense. Oh, we got to take it.

That's very, that makes something sense. Listen. Whoa, I didn't have any Krispy Kremes next to me. What do you like? Whatever. To the show.

X-Men 97 is a joyful, gleeful, ridiculously fulfilling experience for me. Guys, I'm sorry for everyone on the sound of my voice. I know you want me to be a little bit more level-headed. I'm up watching it this morning.

And Kalika is looking at me and she's going, you really love this show, don't you? I am in ecstasy with X-Men 97. I am over the moon. I think the action in this episode was great. The stakes, bashing, carrying his mom, things that have happened worldwide.

The mutants are under attack. Magneto is back. Professor X comes back in the most impotent way I've ever seen Professor X come back ever. He crash lands and immediately, I'm going to take a nap. Yeah, he comes down. Rogue, Sunspot, Asteroid M makes an appearance. They are setting up all of the 90s X-Men stakes and X-Men plots so perfectly to me.

They're recapturing the golden age of the X-Men. I'm loving the show and this episode as a penultimate works so perfectly. I can't wait until next week, Chuck. I don't know, Mint Boys, what did you think of X-Men Aston? This show does an amazing thing to where every single time the credits roll, I'm looking at my TV screen like, yo, what the hell did I just watch? Like, how awesome is this? For the last, like, six to eight weeks, I've just been staring at my TV going, like,

yo, am I witness in history right now? I think this episode in particular does what the show does like really well to a tea whereas in the first like what 20 minutes is people conversating they're discussing stuff

everybody's having like they have the intimate moments intimate like the scene between Gene and Storm she's like make them mind your weather and weather their mind how it's like oh they spin right now right and then it gets to the action, right?

And he got the scene with the morph turning into Hulk and them going through the Sentinels and then Gene, Summer, and cable having that moment. And then Magneto rips the adamantium out of Wolverine's bones. And it's like, it's not exactly, but it's basically like for like for the comic, like that exact panel. And then Andrew, like, yo, this was awesome. The episode was awesome. The show continues to be amazing.

I'm having the time of my life watching the show every midnight. Wait, it's incredible. Ken Morphe turn in tow. He just did. He did it. They just did. He got the powers of luck.

Hold on, hold on. There was like, he was punching shit and it was in the face. There was a clever thing that they did, though, that he had the, the gene gray blue, like. She was probably, like, she was probably powering him up to do that.

So let me ask you a question then. Then what the fuck is the point of turning into the home? I don't know. I don't. It was cool for us. It looked good. We've, like, we've, like, had this head scratcher moment of Morth for the entire time.

Well, because now it's not a mutant. Like, before it was just mutants. Yeah, now it's the Hulk. I didn't know he could just do anybody. Like, can he turn into Galactus? I mean, I don't know. We'll see. Next week.

I have a question. Just like try out Galactus. Solve a lot more problems. I mean, if I could turn it to anybody in the fucking Marvel universe, I'm not turning into fucking Quicksilver, bro. I'm talking to turn into like. Turn to Thanos. Yeah, who cares.

But he needed, he needed super speed at that point. No, yeah, he did. So that's why he turned into Quicksilver. He needed the super speed, and so he's running on. Tip, zip, zip, tip, tip, tip, tip. So that's why he was turning to quits over. Look, obviously the morph thread is one that is there to be pulled on. Sure.

Sorry. Steve, what did you think of the episode? It's true. I mean, the morph thing is, when he turned it to the whole, this episode, I was like, all right. Like, okay. I was like, are you going to turn it to Thor? You're going to turn it to throw you on a year now? But at this point, like, if morph turns into anybody,

are we just going to throw our hands up and be like, okay. At this point, I'm kind of like... He's just got to deal with it. He's just morph. Yeah. Morph is that nigga. I... What I love about this show and especially at this point is something that seems so consequential as Xavier coming back and confronting Magneto.

Eric doesn't really give a shit about the fact that he's back other than they're just like, okay, so you're here. So you're a hypocrite. I'm about saying, it makes it worse that he's back. It actually makes it a lot worse. That he's back. Because you're like, oh, so you just left and then gave me everything. you just think you can act like you can take it all back and solve every problem that we have,

fuck you. This was the worst Xavier episode. Now, I've been Xavier a defender here, but this was the worst one. I think the show does it on purpose, though. I think it does. It absolutely does do it on purpose. They know that Xavier's not that Xavier's not that great of a person.

It's very... Not even that he's not that great of a person because I still believe that he's doing, he thinks he's doing the right thing, but his entire worldview, his outlook, all of his tactics, everything he does, just completely impotent

in this episode. He's a house mutant if we're going to be... Damn. Is he not? I mean, he's been getting outmaneuvered by Magneto this entire time. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Magneto and Rogue and Gambit witnessed the genocide of their people on their country.

And Xavier's still like, hey, let me talk to the president real quick. Let me do this. I'm like, like, Xavier, stand up. Yeah. Stop. It's bad. Even when he went back to the president, I'm like, bro, the president ain't doing anything for you, bro. The president is Senator Kelly.

Is he not? That's dead. Yeah. He's not, he's not going to be a sympathetic ear for you at that particular point. Look, honestly, I think that what Xavier believes is in, Xavier believes in the humanity of mutants and at its core, magneto believes in the supremacy of them. Wait, whoa, whoa.

Does Professor X believe in the humanity of mutants? Yeah. Because Rogue rightfully points out, like, I was a little pissed. Like, Professor X is kind of remembering Remy. And, like, Rogue is like, you only think of him as a mutant. Like, that's why I was just like, damn, I don't even think Professor X really, like,

rated Gambit like that. I don't think, because I don't actually think he thinks of the X-Men's humanity. I think the thing that the best, best X-Men comics do is show how Professor X is just as blinded by his politics as Magneto is. And I think that this episode and even the way the other X-Men are kind of like, get away from us is a perfect example of, he didn't even ask any of the X-Men. He didn't even trust any of them to take over the school. Like, if you think about it, he went to Magneto. Like, you have, you didn't even ask Cyclops and Gene how they felt about this. You made a choice for them that you thought, and maybe that plays into the fact that, like, he is the father figure.

And a lot of times he acts like their father instead of acting like, oh, they're adults. They can make their own choices. They're actual humans with nuanced feelings. Even when he says, like, my X-Men. Yes. Like, he treats them as a possession. Sometimes he's going to do what's best for them. We've talked about him sometimes, you know, like, really acting on behalf of the X-Men without consulting them about what they think about their lives and you wonder how much agency they have.

The reason why I say, I think his politics. are that the X-Men are, his politics are wrapped up in the X-Men's humanity. And the reason why I say that is because he's always looking to preserve the link between humans and mutants. He doesn't want their own separate thing. He wants, like, even in catastrophe, right, with Janosia, that might be a time where a lot of people would be like, you know what, they're not like us. They're not like us.

They're not like us. Right, you know what I mean? They would be like, you know, whatever. But he doesn't do that. He goes, okay, listen, this whole thing is going to be bad for humans and mutants because we're kind of the same. We have to coexist. We have to share, I believe in us being a part of a human mutant society. And that means that he has to identify with humanity Magneto.

And obviously Sunspot and obviously Rogue, this is the episode where they reject that. And Bastion, who represents something that's outside of that, it's what's pushing them apart. And so like Xavier, his dogma, what you're saying is right. Like his dogma and has captured him and captured his ability to probably be as connected to the X-Men as he should be. But his dogma, I think, is that we have to be a part of humanity or the human or have some connection to humanity in some way when the other mutants are saying now. Yeah. Yeah. The other mutants are like, we don't want that.

anymore. But Rogue flew up there. I love Radical Rogue. Man. Radical Rogue. And then she's got the OG Green. I don't lie. Rogue don't believe in nothing. Rogue just running right. You want to talk about not believing anything. Sunspot's an absolute punk in this episode. I said, sorry.

This is a kickball game and I'm just like, I'm making my pitch and the only people who move are rogue in Sunspot? I'm like, damn, bro. Because Rogue don't even count because that's damn near like they was fucking. And so she's like, she kind of is like, damn, well, I don't got Remy anymore. And then Sunspot. I knew for him. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, hold on for a second.

I want everyone that's listening to the Midnight Boys podcast, just say that Rogue made her decision to revolt because of the dick. Am I wrong? That's what Charles just said. Charles just said, Charles just said that Rogue made her decision. Charles said, Charles said, this is what Charles just said. Chal said Rogue had two dicks, one of them died, and she wasn't going to go without her fill up. Oh, why do you say that?

No. That's exactly. No, I say that's exactly what he said. You said, so it wasn't that she's battling something emotionally. Rogue don't believe in shit, all right? Rogue don't believe in shit. That is not true. That is true.

No, no, that is not true. First of all, in the danger room, like, Remy is like looking like Drake outside the danger room, just fucking shedding one tear because Rogue's getting her cheeks clapped by Magneto in the danger room. Then once Remy dies, she's like, damn, you really

was my one and true only. And now that that motherfucker is dead, she's like, you know what? Fuck the X-Men who took me in. This is my family. They took care of me. I'm going with Magneto. I'm like, rogue, stop flip-flopping. Stop, like pick a side and

she's not a right or die, if we're being honest. Here's what I'll say. I think what it comes down to is you have a conversation with her and Magneto or sorry her and Charles Xavier at the lake and she's like my man's died and you're not really all that worried about him Right.

Also fuck Cyclops, fuck Gene. Also no. Nightcrawler? That was the love of her life. You clearly don't care. You're not going to ride with your brother? She clearly don't care. You saw what she did a couple episodes ago when she was just tearing around a place trying to

find something to fill the gap of her grieving Remy, clearly she's not really messing with, oh, we gotta have peace, nah. So what you're saying is, so what you were saying is that we've seen Nightcrawler shedding tears being like,

yo, you're my sister. I'm like, I'm gonna help. I'm here for you, dida, da da da. I'm like, damn, Rogan, Nightcrawler finally, family, uniting, whatever. She's gonna go back to Mr. Groomer,

Magneto, after one speech? That's what I was going to say. I'm like, we can't forget the history that they have. you're right, where Magneto's like, I've been waiting. Honestly, Magneto's the Drake of the X-Men. So obviously, three very important things happen in this episode. Okay, so number one, we see a mutant revolt, and Magneto's Acolytes actually kind of form, right?

Because Magneto and the Acolytes, if you guys don't know what the Acolytes is, it was Magneto's, basically Acolytes, his team that lived on Astroid and with him. We see Asteroid M. So Magneto is going back to Asteroid M, and I would assume that Sunspot and Rogue are now, in this version, are going to be some of his first acolytes that are going to be on Asteroid M with him. Maybe Trevor Fitzroy and all of those guys before were there,

but maybe they're gone now. He's got new accolites. They're going to go to Asteroid M, whatever. We see the X-Men Blue and Gold teams split up, which, have we seen that in the show before? No, we've seen them split up, but I was going to say with the Blue and Gold team, I think, I do think that the X-Men kind of got a strategy problem in terms of like how they're forming their teams up.

It's like, why would you put Cable and Gene on the same team? What did you want like a tele-conetic and telepath on-ball? Well, he was keeping that in the tuck for a minute. Yeah, well, cable also has other skills. No, he does, but I'm just like, I feel like having Professor X up in Magneto, like it's just, it was just like, I think the team should have been split up. Like, why was Wolverine going to attack Magneto? So what would be your rock? then what's your perfect X-Men blue and X-Men gold?

Oh, with this team? Yeah, just with the roster. Oh, you wouldn't send him to... I wouldn't send Wolverine to go face Magneto. That makes no sense. Send him to go-face Bastion. So I would swap Wolverine with Cable. Ooh, but then you have Wolverine and Gene

trying to get freaky in the middle of the battle. You got to think about the personalities. Wolverine can lock in. I'm being serious. You got to think about the personality. You got to think about the way people work as well. You have chemistry plays, yeah. But also, you got...

You put... both of the omega-level mutants on the same team, Storm and Gene. The fact that Storm wasn't up there on Astro-A-M feels kind of weird. Well, cable is an omega-level mutant as well? He definitely is cable? Again, but he doesn't, he looked it up, Johnny. He didn't disclose the fact that he had telekinetic cars until he...

Yeah, so I just thought that, like, to your, you just brought it up. I just thought that, like, him getting controlled by Sinister. Right. Basically, kind of opened up the fact that he did have that, because we forget. Yeah. He has a techno-organic virus, so he's not as powerful as Gene or other, telepathic. Yeah, he's telekinetics.

Nathan, Nathan Summers is known on omega level. Yeah, he's a known, but he has the technology. So he's, he's nervous by that, yeah. He's nerved about the fact that he's using his power

to fight the technological, technical organic virus. But, okay, the Wolverine thing is this. It doesn't probably make tactical sense for him to be on that team and go face Magneto, but of course, story-wise it makes sense

because Magneto, harming Wolverine to that degree is indicative of Magneto going completely fucking berserk. Because him doing that is the thing that separates them and makes Magneto into

the fucking most sinister motherfucker ever because he wouldn't have done that to Wolverine. And Wolverine escalating with Magneto and killing him. I mean, that should have happened a while ago. Like, I was when he stabbed Magneed, I'm like, Magneto's not dead, but Wolverine is doing what he needs to do. The

other thing I want to ask power-wise, So they say that night crawler goes to agent. That's the... So, canonically, his powers are he can only transport. He can't transport a lot of people, and he can only transport to what he sees. So I'm just like, how does he... In his mind's eye or see with his eyes?

I always took it in the... I mean, he always started to mean he had to see where he was going. Yes. That's what, so... Like, he can't teleport through a wall into a new room. But he can't. If he see,

if there's a window, he can teleport because he's seeing into the room. Or if we're standing right here and he's, if we're standing in Brooklyn

and he can see the Statue of Liberty, he can go there. But he has to see where he's going. Yeah, because if he doesn't, he's going to

bamf into like some shit, like a wall or whatever and kill himself. So does he, does he teleport into Asteroid M without seeing it?

I don't know. Sorry, this very like X-Men nerd. more. It's funny. It's funny. The show's doing so well that

all we can do is to pick. Can't tell you why? This show gets, you know what the X-Men really has problems with to me? The X-Men sometimes in like X-Men Days of Future Pass, right? It's a great movie. I re-watched it.

It's a great movie. The movie becomes sort of a solo Wolverine. trip into the past and that becomes kind of the movie. The overall menace of the Sentinels and the shitty future and all of that

stuff and what they're actually fighting for becomes less important than Wolverine going back through the future and doing what the fuck he's doing and that whole aesthetic and all that and the new X-Men are in it and stuff like that. It's great. The movie's great. Don't get me wrong. This show does a good job of

making the X-Men smaller players in a much bigger world. You feel how pissed everyone is because they lost all the power. We have 12 hours to figure this out. You guys have to go and get Bastion and then you guys have to deal with Magneto. When Cyclops actually blasts Xavier

because he needs to give the other team more time to deal with Bastion because of what's going on. Like even that little scene, it was so, it just told you so much about sideclops, so much about Xavier, so much about what's really important to these characters. All is in a person, but they're under

so much duress because of how significant these situations are. Because how fucked up everything is. They're living in the end of the world. They're superpower beings almost gods, but they're barely able to keep things together. That's always what to me was so great about the comic books

was that they were super-powered gods that were just under so much threat. Everything was so ratcheted up. And I feel that. I feel bashing. I feel sinister. I feel all of this stuff going on with them, and they

don't feel safe. It feels like the X-Men could lose. It feels like they are losing. It feels like I can't turn away or someone could be gone. And even though I know the stuff that's happening, It still works. I mean, I'm just really all over this.

I'm Van the Glazer. Jay, you know, Jay Glazer from Fox? That's what? That's Van Glazer. Van Glazer. Honestly, you sound like, Mal with Drake, bro. I like, I just want to shut that mic off, bro. Mal with Drake, shout out to Mal, man.

Maul, by the way. You're going to get people confused. He's talking about Maugh. Not, not. I don't listen to enough of that podcast. Shout out to Maugh. Shout out to Maul. Shout out to Maul.

Shout out to Maul. That's my guy. Shout out to Maul. Mal loves Drake. Maul loves Drake like I love X-Men 90s. Damn. That was a rough three minutes there for Wolverine. He'll be fine.

No, I mean, like, you know, he didn't notice it, but we saw it when Gene's like, I love you, Scott, tough, and then you get you adamantium ripped out your skeleton, you know? It's like, dang. Wolverine's a bitch. I mean, when you look at the rankings

and the, who stock went up, went down this episode, his stock plummeted. I think Wolverine's more a victim of circumstance than him actually not really doing it. But you know, you know your Canadian ass ain't doing no Magneto. Like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like there's an anti-Canadian sentiment that's been going on since the weekend. Well, here's the thing, right? Drake went out sad.

Jamal Murray was out there crying on the court. Now, Logan. Canadians are really down bad right now. Canadians down bad, down, down terrible right now. Right. We up. It's North America time, honey. What are we trying to do?

We up. We up. Look. Look, look. We. See what I'm saying? What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that?

We up. As a, you know, me and Kendrick come from, or we've come from the same place, but we grew up around the same area. Laker fan, obviously. So seeing Drake and Jamal Murray pay for their sins. It's great. Yeah. It's awesome. And at this point, you might as well just, you know, throw Logan in there.

Just, yeah. Awesome. But we. It's a we now. Again, as a Kendrick and a Lego fan. It's been great. This is why we can't have anything. Before this.

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Let's talk about where things are. Nainito has taken the X-Men. He's made some new acolytes. We have to cut the power back on. Yeah. Xavier wants to cut the power back on. That was so funny. Hey, man, so.

I know, like, they killed all your people and stuff, and, you know, you're really going through. And I know I've been gone for a little bit. But if you can just, like, screw that light bulb back in, that'd be real cool. I know all those people who killed all your people. They, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, coming down from space just to tell me that. Like, we get it, buddy. Well, I mean, the reality is that with the clock is ticking.

Sure. And after a certain time, they can't. So it's essentially the end of the world, the end of civilization. if they can't get this or a big fucking drawback or big... I mean strategically, if I was Professor Xavier, I'd be like, well,

we, the mutants have all the power here. We'll be fine. So, we'll be fine. Maybe you should not blow us up. And I'll talk to Magneto and we get our own country. They do have a lot of leverage coming in. Yeah, like, I'm like, you talk to the president.

I'm like, you do realize. the mutants have all the leverage right now. Why are you still suck in present-tel? But that's the thing about Xavier. He's never going to use that leverage. Well, yeah, he probably doesn't want to act in that capacity.

I get what you're saying, though. He probably doesn't want to act in that capacity. How many mutants do we think died on Genoche is all? A lot. A lot. Like hundreds. Also, also, also, fuck, beast. I was just like, get that newspaper lady out of you. Yeah, why are you still sad about her?

What are you doing? Like she tried to fuck you over twice He liked her, here's the thing, right? Can the mutant survive without the Earth's magnetic field? Probably. You know, because... I mean, they got a whole asteroid now

so they could be like, we got to be up here. From a scientific standpoint, can anybody survive without the Earth's magnetic field? That's what I'm thinking about it. Like, you know, the Earth's Magnetil protects our planet from cosmic radiation and the particles from the sun that would, you know, turn us to bits. Right.

You know, so I kind of feel like everybody's playing for keeps right now. And so, like, while the mutants probably be like, they can grandstand and be like, hey, man, you know, we're going to be all right with y'all. I mean, we out in space, so they could be like, hey, we got a magneto on our side. You guys got to, like, start. Yeah, but Magneto's the only one who can turn the lights back on. And so even if he's like, I mean, the thing is you'd be like, look, I got a direct line. That's my honey. You know, we go way back.

I can talk to them for y'all, but if y'all, y'all just got to leave us alone for a little bit. You know what I'm saying? That's the route they could take. Ultimately, though, I think it's kind of tough because, again, Magneto's only one who can do that. And without the- He's super radicalized at this point. At this point. So without the Earth's magnetic field, everybody's cooked. Guys, and this is why you can't have all these fucking cameos.

If I'm the X-Men, I'm like, yo, Captain America, you have time to harass Rogue. It's Spider-Man's just looking up in the sky being like, damn, that's a trip. None of y'all want to help us out a little bit. None of y'all want to help us out just a little bit. Fundamentally, like, I mean, it's not their problem, but like... It is their problem. It is their problem. It is not their problem.

You know, y'all, y'all got it. No, because see, this is... That's very much, like, that's what we told me. But Jomi, this is the problem in the Marvel universe. everybody's like, it's not our problem. It's a mutant problem. I'm like, no, no, no. Mutant problems are everyone's problems.

I'm not saying I agree, but I'm saying that's clearly the sentiment because they're like, all right. Oh, yeah, that's my name. I think, I don't know what was this podcast or another podcast. We're talking about the Baxter Building versus Vent or versus Avengers Tower. And when the sky hole opens up above Baxter building, they're like, oh, Avengers is like, hey, cool. Oh, sound like we got an off day today. You're trying to go hit the Swarmer Bar or something? Like it's just how that goes, you know, unfortunately.

So I'm really sure what Spider-Man's going to do in this scenario. You know what I mean? Well, he can't want support. Spider-Man's one of the greatest heroes. You don't think he could just be like some of his, first of all, Spider-Man could probably get Sunspot out of here if we really. Oh, I mean, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Sunspot will beat the dog shit out of Spider-Man. This? Whoa, comic book Sunspot may be this Sunspot? He ain't built like that. Maybe not. This Sun-Spot doesn't even really know what to do. He was actually- He apologizes the minute.

He was actually, he was actually, he was actually, he's actually having problems with you believe. Hold on, that's his girl. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was like, oh, he didn't even look back. She's like, you want to stay for me? He's like, I, actually. Yeah, actually.

I'm done. I'm saying, my parents fucked over me. So a lot of stuff happening. Obviously, the X men are going to figure it out. Wolverine will probably be sidelined. They've been sidelined him to whole fucking shows. But you don't want those solos, you don't want solo Wolverine, though. What you mean?

You just say, like, you know, how, uh, Days of Future Past basically becomes a Wolverine movie. No, no, no. It's not that I don't want solo Wolverine. It's just that my point about Days of the Future Pass was that it's a great movie. But if there's one criticism of the movie for me, is that the movie does lose the weight of the purpose of itself at a certain point. It just becomes about, you know, whatever.

I'm not, hey, no, Days of Future Passes is great. What I'm saying is what this is able to do is because it is so much of, about all of the characters, the danger and the fear gets spread out between everyone. Everyone has their own, oh shit, what is going on. Everyone has their own little arc.

Even when Xavier comes back and he's talking to Cyclops and Gene and he's like, oh my God, I thought about this for you, I thought about that for you. I'm thinking, yo, what a dick. Like, he's been working the whole time to be the leader of the X-Men and you leave and give it to Magneto

so they could go have a life together, did they tell you they wanted that? Like, what are you, what are you, and why don't you just influence the president? What do you do, nigga? I'm like, it's like, this was a bad Xavier episode. I'm not going to lie. Terrible. Yeah, terrible.

Terrible. They got to, I think, I mean, and this is something we talked to about current when we did the X-Men draft, uh, Magneto being right, like the Magneto was right, sentiment. It's always been rating through comics, people have always like, chanted that, like, kind of facetiously, right? Like, many of it was right. This series not only is like doubling down, tripling down, it has made that sentiment its entire ethos.

So Magneto was right. That's the through line of this entire show so far. It has yet to show us that Xavier is right. Magneto is only right, though. This is the thing. I want to do a whole episode on whether or not Magneto is right. I do. Magneto is only right because the X-Men are your protagonists.

if you are some kid in Aurora, Illinois, they just want to go to McDonald's, and there is no McDonald's because Magneto destroyed the Magnetic Field of the Earth. He's the bad guy because he took my happy meals away. Right. It's like Magneto is only right because the X-Men are protagonists. I don't know about this.

The better way to do it is Xavier's way. No, it's not. What are you talking about? Trying to figure out how people can live together at peace and harmony is not the right way? Not when the majority of my people are nuked out of existence. We're about to talk about Planet of the Apes next episode. I'm just saying

if Xavier's way is the right way of doing it, why do mutants millions of mutants keep dropping dead? Well, okay, here's a deal. I'm not saying, when I say the right way, the right way, in my opinion, I'm a little,

is always peace, reconciliation and moving forward. That's always the right way. Now, there are different ways to get to that piece. I mean, we just look at historically, who tends to be the winners and who tends to be

the people who get to... Not the King won. Get to... I mean, he didn't win person. Okay. It was tough for him. Backed away from the mic. Y'all got it.

I was like, bro. You got it. You got it. I'm going to real quick. I'm going real quick. I go forth. Dr. King got... He...

You guys, Dr. King's way prevailed, right? The Civil Rights Act, the Voting Act. Like, everything that he was able to do with LBJ, Dr. King's dream has not been fulfilled, but his aim of getting full citizenship for African Americans codified into law and the way that he went about that,

certainly, certainly his way worked. Did it not? You think in 2024, the American government treats black people like we got full citizenship. Because if they did, we would, like I remember them. summers when we was out there and

motherfuckers cared more about buildings being destroyed. Imagine it is. Imagine it is. Do you think that black people in America are better off after Dr. King or before Dr. King? I mean,

let me shut my class up. All right. Now on the never news. No, R.I. the King. Let me shut my black. All right.

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which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. All right, nerd news. Guess what dropped? We have our Superman. His name is, I forget. David Corn Sweat? Corn Sweat? He might have been sweating out all the corn in the way how buffy is.

So, Corn Sweat, we get our first view of him as Superman in a very controversial photo. Then you were the first one to react in the Ringerverse group chat. Do you want to be honest about your feelings on our first look at the new Superman? I don't like the suit. that's okay Is it collar gate It's it No collar

Collar is bad What's wrong with the collar What's wrong with the collar? I'm like Superman don't need a fucking Pop my collar It's like I did see somebody

Did mock it up Without the collar And I was like I do enjoy that A little better It was here's a thing I don't see how that's a problem I don't see how the collar is a problem

Let's break this down really quick Like let's go through this The suit's got some creases in it It's still down He's sitting down It was ill-fitting, if we're being real. Like, it's a wall. If we're being real, like, in terms of Superman suits,

this is, like, when motherfuckers was wearing, like, Jinko jeans and, like, several X-outs. We can't get a little bit more of a form-fitting type shit. I think that what I like about this is that even the pose that he's in evokes something that's, like, a bit more casual about how this Superman's probably going to be portrayed. Agreed. He's kind of just a guy. And I think that's also

kind of the strength about what that kind of like return to traditionalism when it comes to the character of Clark Kent. Looks like he's putting boots on in this picture. Did you ever think about Superman putting his shit on? No, because that's... Superman put his shit on. No, because that shit's boring. Like, do you think he's ever going to have a Honey Where's My Supersuit moment?

Because that's kind of like just what after this moment is in this photo. But I think where I'm struggling with this is that here's the thing. The movie will probably be fired. James Gunn has made a lot of great movies. I just think as a first look, had a little bit too much dip on their chip, did a little too much. Whatever is going on in the background doesn't look great. People said that it was a DBZ fight happening.

I was like, because here's the thing, sometimes it's like, whenever we like get a new Batman or whatever, sometimes I'm like, motherfucker can just throw them on a neutral background and just like show us back. And white. Yeah, just show him not like he has the shit. Like don't get overcomplicated. So here's the thing, you know, guys, this picture is put up here for us to pick apart.

It is. That's what it's done. It's everything. This is good for the production right now. The fact that we're having this conversation about whether or not we like to suit, it's good for the production. They want to maintain interest in this production and Superman. Every single week, every single month,

every single frame that they shoot. They want to make sure that we, we are invested. So when a trailer drops, the trailer goes crazy, the teaser, and then when the full trailer drops, and then all the way,

we're buoyed all the way into summer. We'll probably get a full trailer at the Super Bowl, probably get a teaser before that, a full trailer at the Super Bowl, and then for the rest of the thing, probably like on the same schedule as Deadpool. And just looking at the picture, I think it says a lot to Steve's point

about the Superman that they want to be on screen. this is not a hero shot. This is not a perfect view of Superman. This is an imperfect view of Superman. You can't even see his muscles. Right? And so the suit looks a little dirty. It's a very human-looking picture of Superman.

I think that's intentional. I don't think we were supposed to like this suit. I think we're supposed to... I'm being serious. Chuck, I don't think we're supposed to like this suit. I think we're supposed to be a little bit intrigued. It's supposed to look a little odd. James Gunn has a potential...

aesthetic as well. And people don't really talk about that as much when they're talking about him. They talk about his pin. But they also don't kind of talk about how his movies look. The fuck is up. No, no, no.

It's because I've seen photoshopps of basically the Guardians of the Galaxy get up suit and then they just slapped a Superman logo on it. And that's more or less what this is. So I'm saying, I don't know that we were necessarily supposed to like this.

It is interesting, this though. After this suit came out, I started to see pictures of David Cornswet like shirtless, like him, how bolt up he is for Superman. So maybe there was a look at this and people were going, he doesn't look that impressive.

You can't really see his physique and then how he's going to fill the suit out. And then they're like, oh, okay, just want to show everybody he's doing his same round of testosterone that everybody else does when they do these movies. So he's balking up. I don't know if I was supposed to like this,

but I wasn't blown away by, I said to the group text, I dealt like the way the suit looks. I said in a group text, like, on first glance, it looks, it does look kind of weird, looks kind of off. But I want to see it in action before I go ahead and slap the terrible suit label on it, you know, because he could be, in theory, great on screen, and he could look super swollen and super great, and it could be awesome. But just off that first shot, it does leave you a little wanting. I do agree. I mean, the only thing I'm afraid of, really, and my big macro view of the suit is, I think, James Gunn, to your point, does have an aesthetic van.

I'm just worried where I think we are so burnt out on these movies that I was hoping that this would feel refreshing. Like Superman would be like a pallet cleanser. And you can't judge too much about this movie off a photo. So I'm not. But I do think the photo kind of gave me a like, is this just going to look like, what if James Gunn, who directed Guardians of the Galaxy,

just put that aesthetic on Superman, which I'll watch it. but it's worrying a little. Yeah. That's Scott. Wow. Okay. It's fantastic, Steve. All right.

Bob Iger, misspelled here in the document. Sorry, Bob. slowing Marvel's output to two or three movies and no more than two shows a year. So that means a maximum of five projects a year for Marvel Studios. What are the thoughts from The Midnight Boys? You guys can't see this, but I'm dancing in my chair right now. No more than two shows a year, fellas, we're back.

Guys, we're so back. No more than two secret invasions a year. I mean, here's the thing, right? Like, yeah, we could get two secret invasions a year, but this, I love this. This news is great. This move, this moves just warrants my heart because it means that they're hearing and they're listening. You could say, well, the money, they lost a lot of money last year. They just got to go back.

Come on, bro. This ain't news, bro. But at the same time, like, this ain't news. But if you're a fan of this content and you've been watching it for, you know, ever since they started when the Disney Plus, Marble shows you're like, the, like, the stuff that works and stuff that doesn't work is so far, like, in, in, in, in how, like, the gap of quality is immense between, like, Loki and Secret Invasion, right? There's just, it's like a, like, the biggest valley you can imagine. It's the Marianas trench down there in how, how, how, how, that. the difference of quality are.

They can kind of move, at least something to the middle, where, like, in, like, the first couple phases where we, every time we left the movie, we were like, hey, that was really fun. I had a good time. And we went home, and it was great, and it was fun. If they can return just to that basic level,

I think we could start to, like, start there and then build up going forward. But this, like, even if we look at what they were releasing, I'm like, guys, we were only going to get two to three movies anyway, because there's not that many movies left in this phase. I don't think that the, I don't think the immense problem is with the movies. Obviously, the movies have been lacking. The movies are the biggest problem, if we're being honest.

Well, the movies have been lacking over the past few years. That's true, but they're not going to stop making movies consistently. I think the bigger problem was with they were making way too many shows, way too quickly, and at a way too steady of a clip to actually maintain that quality. The two shows a year is actually the, like, probably the big, bigger revelation here because we had what? Like it was one show after another after another after another for a while. Five shows in 2021.

I don't want to give Marvel that much credit, but I do think a lot of that was pandemic and was like, they did have that like locked and loaded post end game, but like they wanted to keep that going. And if it was more successful than this, they would have. The name of the game was like, hey, we drop a new Disney show, we get new subscribers. Let's just keep pumping that stuff out. And obviously we looked at it and it was like, all right, cool. The quality is lacking for a lot. of these things.

These shows being in production, two or three movies, my biggest question is, what's in, what level of production are they going to be in? This is what I mean. Two or three movies coming out is fine.

That's fine. They've done that before. Where they were spread thin to me is how many things they were concentrating on. Right. So it's like two or three movies coming out is cool. What I want to know is,

have they slowed down the amount of development and pre-pro and all that other stuff that they're doing. Because that is where the creatives, Fiji himself and other people were spread thin. The way that they do stuff, and you guys all have to go out and read Joanna's book, the way that they do stuff is so loose and so connected to one guy that if he doesn't have the opportunity to run a fine-tooth comb through all of the productions, then they don't seem to be coherent. and they don't seem to be connected to each other

in a way that makes a lot of sense. So the question is how much is not coming out, but how much is on the plate? Because we won't feel the effects of this until later. Well, yeah, because they could still do two or three movies a year, but still have like 15 things in pre-production and development, all these scripts coming out, and we don't know what's going on with Blaine and blah, blah, blah.

Have they tamped back or held back the amount of projects that they are endeavoring to do? So is like you would know better than me industry-wise, but this news to be is like good spin in terms of actually everything that is in production is already in production. It's to me, I'm like they're talking about stuff that's going to be happening after King Dynasty and Secret Wars. Because essentially like those Avengers movies are already in pre-production. They're already people have written scripts, dropped out, whatever. So anything that they're really talking about is to your, like, is going to come out after. And it's like, are they working on that now? Or are they like, we need to get Blade right before we can keep continuing with something like a Wonder Man.

If he, if I'm talking to him when he's, when he's, when he made this revelation, what I say is how many things, how many movies right now does Marvel have in some various stages of production? If we count it down right now, what are the ones that were, we're, waiting on Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four, Blade. Two Avengers movies. They're movies right now. They're shooting. Yeah, Blade's shooting seemingly.

Blade hasn't started shooting yet, I don't think. Has it started shooting? I believe that they were coming. Thunderbolts. Yes. I don't think that's, has that started shooting yet? I don't think it has. Oh, no, I think it has.

Yeah, definitely. So Thunderbolts has started shooting. Captain America is almost finished. Yeah, it should be finished by now. But they're still in production on that. Uh-huh. The Fantastic Four will start shooting later this summer, if it hasn't already. I think it's later this summer.

Daredevil is still shooting right now. Right. And Ironheart if that ever fucking comes out. They've been shot that, though. Wonder Man is still coming out, but Wonder Man was shooting. Yeah. Right. So the question is, how many things are they up on?

Right. And, you know. Oh, we're forgetting X-Men is also probably the wheels are starting to turn. They haven't announced anyone yet, but in a lot of the trades, they're saying they're taking meetings. Let's not forget Armor Wars. Oh, yeah, Armour's.

I don't know what the status on Armour Wars is. But, like, that's the thing. Like, if they keep up this clip, they're going to have to dead some stuff. That's what I think is kind of the, the thing that they really don't want to say because that's the negative connotation of, we might have to back off of things we either announced

or maybe we filmed some of it. And, like, Iger and company are just like, hey, let's just pull the plug before we invest any more money. The fact that they haven't canceled Blade, which seems... Feels wild. Which felt like ripe to get... Ripe to get canceled, right? The fact that they haven't canceled Blade is telling to me that some of these things

that they said that they're going to do, they don't know how to get away from it. Well, I think Blade, because if it was anybody that wasn't Mahershala, and, like, I think it probably would be easier. but I think the negative blowback from canceling Blade would be too massive. I don't know about blowback. I think it's just more of like they've actually committed to so much for this that they actually can't.

I mean, money-wise, I don't know. Like, you wouldn't know better than me. How much money do you think they already spent on Blade? So much. They've hired a couple of screenwriters. They have him probably in the pay or play, but I wonder how much money he's getting for, being that he, it's a little bit of a different situation.

normally in the old Marvel you pay somebody $500,000 for this role at first or whatever, but you can't really do that with him because he's so established two-time Academy Award winner and the character is so well known. You know what I mean?

You can maybe give somebody like what? Chris Evans has got $300,000 to be Captain America, but that's in a different point of his career. And that's for the first one. Yeah. And that's ramped up like crazy. And if we're being honest,

if Mahershah's blade comes out, he's instantly just in terms of star power, one of the biggest actors in their stadiums now. It's the last feather in his cap is to be a big box office guy, which is the reason why he's doing Blade, if that's something that he's interested in. Obviously, he was in those,

if you looked at his box office, they would include the Hunger Games movies. So it's kind of not the same. But as far as a lead box office draw, like that's something that he's probably interested in, which is why he wanted to do the big money. I'm sure he wants to have a house in seashells or in the Maldives or something like that. But yeah, so it's interesting.

They probably committed a lot of money to it. They've commissioned a couple of different screenwriters, his salary, different stuff. They probably don't want to back away from it. But at the same time, I do think that there's just still a thing with them that they do not want to punt on too many things that they said that they were going to do. like the Agatha Harkness show and went through five different titles or whatever they just don't want to say hey we thought we wanted to do it

and we don't want to do it now and it starts to feel like a weird pride thing at this point because the fact that that Marvel hasn't backed down audibly from anything and the only thing that we've heard them back down from is when Iger was just like yeah we had to secretly kill some things that we didn't believe in

that much which we don't know what those were and we might not know what those are I mean we don't hear about Armored Wars They just might not say shit. Yeah. They might not say anything. Even you reminded me of Agatha. That comes out later this year, right?

Yeah. So I'm just like, even that show is interesting to me because I'm just like, let's say Deadpool and Wolverine does what it needs to do. Does Agatha coming after it just kind of put them back if Agatha is not a great show? Look. I think they need sustained excellence again. Yeah, we're on a past fail basis with Marvel at this point. I think that it's more of a like, okay, how much like actual energy and excitement do we have on a consistent basis?

There's a question about the Agatha show or a show like that that's not there. It's like, how good would it have to be? It just doesn't have to be. It has to be okay. It doesn't have to be that good, right? Like, how good does Agatha, how much do you don't even know? Right, yeah. How good does that show have to be?

That show, who gives a shit? Like, the show could come out. Anything that they get out of that show to me is... But that would have been... Even saying that in 2024, it shows you how far the MCU has fallen because we went from thinking everything was important to be like, fuck that, I get the show.

Like, not really. We're not saying that, but it's like, it's not important. I mean, that, you're right about that, but I think that has to do with two things. Number one, anytime there's more... Think of your favorite fucking... You guys ever had an upstart food chain Are y'all old enough for a food chain to exist during your lives

where the food chain started? Yes. What food chain started during your life? Oh, what's the one? I always hated it. It was Chipotle. I remember Chipotle. I remember Chipotle.

I remember Chipotle. Yeah. I remember Chobo. And then I remember what's the other one that's not as good? Mexican. Cudoba? Oh, yeah, Kudoba. Kodoba.

I remember both of them popping up. And I was just like, Kadoba's trash. But they have, Kodoba. They have, what was the other one? There's another one. I used to be right there. Baja fresh? Baha fresh.

I remember all that popping up. Baja fresh. It was never good. Baja fresh, rest of peace, man. I used to like Baja fresh. Baja popped up in my lifetime as well. Fahas popped up in a lifetime. Okay, so they pop up and then they got one.

When I first tasted Chipotle, I thought it was the craziest shit I was like, this shit is crazy good. As more Chipolets come out. Yeah. Yeah. And then also, we forget. Everybody got sick that one time. Oh, yeah.

They were comfortable. As more, yeah, as more Chololets come out, the first time Uber comes out. When Uber first started, Uber was a revelation. It was just giving away rights. Yeah, like the whole thing. And then the more times Uber, you have

Uber, you have guys that are talking to you, people get fucked up in Uber's, the whole nine. So there is going to be, just with more Marvel shows, the chance that these shows would not be as good as the old stuff. It's just that we got to

a point where they were all bad. Like, you know what I mean? Just to be honest. Like, we got to a point, if we were like, if there were three Marvel shows a year, two of them were good, one of them was, eh, that was, but we were going through sustained crap. Like, none of them were good. And the ones that were good, they were felt good in a moment.

Then after we thought about them, it was like, I'm not really fucking with that like that. That doesn't give me the feeling. So I think with more stuff, there's going to be more things that we're going to be more things that we don't enjoy. So I'm not that. I think everything rests in the, I think all the eggs are in Dampo and Wolverines. At least to get some gas in the tank for.

That's what scares me though. I'm like each trailer, I'm like, we might be put in too much. Like, maybe we should just enjoy this movie. An unfair amount of expectations. I'm just like,

I don't know if this movie was built to save the MCU until the MCU was down bad. And now everybody's like, if this one doesn't work, the whole, and I'm just like, guys, just let Deadpool and Wolverine be what it is. I think they learned how, they learned that the movie was what it was while they were doing it.

I think when the movie was, when they first formulated it, they thought they were doing some, they thought they were doing something that was like a little bit off kilter and it was like a kind of a cool thing, fuck with the Deadpool and Wolverine, but I think the narrative around Marvel changed in pre-pro and in the production of the movie. That's why you hear things like, I'm Marvel Jesus and all. All of this stuff. You see Ant, you see Antman.

I think production back up right after the strike because it started and then strike happens. Oh, first of all, it wasn't even called Deadpool and Wolverine until fairly recently. Like, the names were like changing. Like, it was just like, oh, Deadpool 3. Oh, da, da, da, da. And then I was just like, oh, it's Deadpool and Wolverine now.

And I'm like, oh, okay. So to your point, I do feel like they were probably like, oh, no, this is, needs to be bigger. I mean, they probably also learned from Dr. strange in the multiverse of madness and kind of being like... And hopefully quantumania. Yeah, and being like, yo, we got to give the audience what they want. We can't be

pitching it as one thing and then you get into your seat and be like, it's not that big of a movie. We're talking about Deadpool a little guy out of here after this. We're talking about Deadpool and Wolverine. The real movie that to me is the proof of concept to what Marvel can do is

the Fantastic Four. I think next year... Don't do that. Don't do that. No. Next year, it's so funny. me, you have two superheroes? That's the one that to me will really be the limit test for the health of the agency. They have to get it right. Yes, yes.

Because I think that's probably why a lot of people are still in the bag for Marvel right now. I think you have to think about next year. I think next year might be one of the most consequential years in superhero movies. Because on the DC side, you have a hero that they have failed to turn into a relevant box office star for so long.

And he's an all-American classic hero. and then at Marvel, you have their All-American classic heroes that they failed. So I do think that it's like, if both of those movies don't do what they need to do, I do think we start having a different conversation of like, is this just it?

Tough. I was kind of hoping that the X-Men would be that. The X-Men, it's going to take too long. The X-Men will be around. And I want people to remember something else, man. It's like, superhero movies will always be around. but there have been other genre of genres of big Hollywood films that have come and gone. The Western.

The Western, the big solo action hero guy, the Action Hero Age. The Stallones of the world. The Stallones. Even just nerd content. There are different phases of sci-fi movies. It wasn't always just Star Wars. You have Star Wars and people like, fuck Star Wars. And then you have Matrix and you got Termin.

It's like there will always be nerd content. but I think we are a little too precious being like, it has to be Marvel and it has to be DC. I'm like, there will be other nerd shit that people are like, hey, no, this is actually kind of like. For example, when the Michael B. Jordan vampire movie comes out, we all might be like, hey, we want more single story, like big directors, big actors taking their swings at vampire movies,

alien movies, and that is fine. That's true. All right, guys, that is a wrap. This Friday, the Midnight Boys will be back to, again, to give you their instant reactions to King. Kingdom of the Planet of the Games. Also on Friday, the House of R will be giving you their vampire tropes course.

And on Monday, the addition returns to give you their Star Wars 5 on 5, which I'm very excited about. Don't forget to check out tickets. Every time. Don't forget to check out tickets for the Ringer residency featuring the Ringerverse tickets go live next week. Credits, our producer is Steve, the architect, Alman.

Jummi, a dinner on social media. Has that Glaze report, Jomey. It's not even, it was him. Why me? What are I? An additional production. From our Juno Romka pal, Charles, take us out. Magnita was right.

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