The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - "Die or Fly" To Professional Mastery: Danielle’s Journey Guest Interview

Episode Date: February 8, 2026

"You either let it make you, or you let it break you."In this episode, Billie and Charlotte are joined in "The Shed" by Danielle a professional hairdresser, business owner, and emerging UGC creator with a story you won't forget.Danielle opens up about the "Die or Fly" mentality she was forced to adopt after a life-altering event. We explore how she managed to choose positivity as a survival tool and why "earning your stripes" at age 13 built the work ethic she has today.We also dive into the "Learning Junkie" syndrome why we keep collecting certificates but stay stuck in procrastination and the massive business gap Danielle found for English-speaking UGC creators in the Spanish market.This is your wake-up call to close those "20 open tabs" and start building.

Something bad happens to me a few years ago, and it was from then that either you either die or slide. I am very aware that people around me struggle to be positive. And I do not allow it. Yeah. If I have a negative thought, I promise you, I'll almost physically throw it in the bin and go, stop. Where is that going to get you? Hi, guys. Welcome back to another interview special.

have Danielle in the shed with us this week. Hot-seat. Yeah, in our lovely shed. Thanks for. Yes, it's a splendid round. Well, thanks for joining us and coming. And you are part of our community. You came to our women's event.

And yeah, I wanted to invite you on because I think you've got a lot to say. And I think a lot of people will resonate with just things that you've gone through. and yeah, you've got exciting things happening. So. Yep, hopefully. That's the plan. So I like to kick it off with what's one line that you're living by right now. A quote or a line that you're living by.

Stop procrastinating and get it done. I feel like right now I am the queen of procrastination. I've done so many like things to better myself. Don't actually use them. We were just saying this. Like I'm a certificate collector. A complete tick, but am I using it? I got that.

I am one of them. Do you use it now? What are you doing for? Because I like to. Yeah, even the other day, I actually tried to write down a list of like everything that I've got. Qualifications. Just that of interest.

But I was like, I actually can't remember. I had to like search my emails and things. And I'm like, oh God. Yeah, I need to actually start implementing some of that stuff now. 26. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Well, I put it on the pod a couple of weeks ago.

I was like, I am going to offer out my coaching services. I'm definitely going to make myself available for three to maybe five clients. And yeah, so it's out in the universe. So there you go, put it out then. Exactly. So you're not a procrastinator about starting things then. No. Oh, no, no, no.

I've started those things. Yeah. So it's just actually using what you've learned. I feel like I'm not diagnosed with ADHD, but I definitely, when I see it all online, I definitely, that it's me. Yeah. I'm like going to think. other. So I'm like, oh, God, this is what I want to do. Like, this is it. This is, this is the

one. Yeah. This is the one. This is going to change my life. It's going to change my life and then. I'm like, oh, actually, just see this. Yeah. I need that now and that now. I'm so bad for it. Like, just going from one to the other. It's all kind of in the same realm. Yeah. Yeah. But like, come on now, then. No, I'm the same. I'm definitely like a learning junkie. And it's like, yeah, well, I just need this. And I think procrastination is one thing and I'm definitely getting worse, I think, because I've got older.

Like, I used to be really disciplined, really like, go from there to there, get it done, move on to the next thing. But now I'm like 20 tabs open. I'll start this and then I end up on three different things. And I'm like, by the end of the day, what have I actually done? I've flipped flops between 10 different tasks

and not completely got done nothing. Yeah. I've done a bit of that and a bit of that. I've definitely got worse. I just made it. Yeah, no, I definitely. me at the moment. So tell us a little bit more about some of the things that you've completed. So I'm currently doing, I joined an academy to learn to do trade in, UGC. That's what UGC and there's a few

other things. What's UGC for? So UGC is that generated content. Okay. But I have hit a wall. Okay. So at first I was like, yes, absolutely great. like this is, I can do this, make videos. Like I love making videos. I love making content. So I can definitely do this. Out of product, so you make videos of like product that got round your house or pay squash, do not mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did all these videos. I literally probably did about 30 videos. Paid for the app. Did the editing course. Yeah. Yeah. The ticked.

The cat called editing course. Yeah. The thing. Throw on there now. So did all that. Learn how to do it. then when I actually came to get work, I've realised that nobody wants to post Spain. And anybody in Spain, my Spanish speaking, and my Spanish is not going to have to do a full Spanish video.

And yet we have such a huge expat market where if you actually posted products in English in Spain, there would be a huge market for it. And all the people speak English because it's not just English, is it? Yeah. All the Scandinavians or the Americans, everyone. So many. Oh, that's a huge gap in the market. That's a bit silly.

Well, and then I thought, shall I fill it? Then I thought something to fill. And I was like, oh, I can have an agency. So see how it comes here. Yeah, or go ahead and do you see. Yeah, what can I next do? No, but I like that mentality. It's not like, oh, well, it's like, can I figure it out?

Yeah, how do I need to maybe do to make that happen? To fill that gap. That is a really good mentality to have. Yeah, I did think about opening an agency and then I realized that you've got to 100. I've got distracted by different courses. Well, like you say, that's not your full-time job. You've already got a full-time job.

You've got two kids. Like, there's, you know, it's finding the time. It is finding. Investing in that, like, learning. But what I need to do is I spend so much time learning and doing all of these things. What I need to do is pick one. Just pick one, don't you? Like, and that's wrong with it.

Yeah. Put that knowledge into the action that actually will be useful to others. That's why you're. you're learning it. Yeah. To be honest, that's something that took me a long time to learn. And I think that's a different mentality for nowadays, for us growing up and for our generation,

because we're taught at school, you have to pass every subject. You have to be good at everything. So I always try to be good at everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But actually, what you get paid the most for is being a master, an expert, in one thing. Exactly. And it took me a long time to realize. that. That's what I mean.

I know jackball trades. I know loads of that. I suppose I am a massive behaviour sitting. I will take that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take that back. I won't take that from.

Yeah. Especially with your lovely blow dry. Yeah. Love you my blow dry. My friend did my blood dry. She's like, go on the pocket. She needs a bloodline. I was like, okay, thanks.

Love it. Love it. Yeah. No, it's hard to focus. I suppose what I found as well is actually being good at different subjects at school, it didn't really push me in one direction. So it was hard for me to actually find what I'm, yeah,

what am I interested in? What do I like to do? What am I actually good at? Yeah, same. Same. I was kind of mediocrely good at everything apart from us. I was never like, but I'm drama. I don't surprise me.

And I do that. I didn't like me, that's for absolute sure. So how did you fall into hairdress it? You don't fall into it? But you picked it. This is a funny story. So my auntie, who's not my auntie, she's my mom's best friend. You know, like that whole.

Yeah, like my top auntie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. We've got their mom and seven. Yeah. One Saturday, all she phoned the house phones. This is a long time ago. I was 13 years old.

She's like, get Danielle out there, tell her together, get a make a fine. I was 13. Like, absolutely not. I'm in school or leave. No way. But dad's like, get out of bed. Now, you're going to the cellar and I'm like, no, I'm like, no, no. Now, you just do show, don't you?

It's my weekend. Yeah. I got that's going to be like absolutely like no way I've got this through I've got that I need to mind set time yeah mental health day yeah yeah mental health get up and get to work anyway basically from the second I walked in that absolutely I've done and I from that day I knew that way so glad you got dragged out of bed absolutely and she said to me you're going to make an amazing hairdress that day wow and she's like so like oh like proud yeah oh that's my little you know

followed in her footsteps. Yeah, yeah. And like at the moment, my daughter's 16 and she's struggling with what she wants to do. Yeah. I was think like, I didn't have that. I didn't have that at 16. Like, what do I want to do?

Yeah. Because I already knew. Yeah. I was working every hour possibly cut in that salon. Love loved it. Absolutely loved it. Felt that whole big and cool. Yeah, they're adults.

And I don't know. How in life? Look at me. Do you know what I mean? Like a little 14 year old school girl. But yeah, I felt cool. loved it. I still, I'm very lucky, but I still love my job. Yeah. But you would never have known. You would never have known that that was what you wanted to do unless you got dragged. Yeah. And I think.

I wouldn't be embarrassed that. Yeah. This is the thing. I think it's, if you asked me. Yeah. I would definitely have said I had just that. Never. Yeah. So I think it's where you said about your daughter not knowing, you know, although like you say, we're not on a, we're not on the same path. It might just take something, something hopefully soon. to figure that out. I found her straight away. Can you also do it? She's like, she's a little bit more. Can't have a 16 year.

She's like, I don't want to do their jobs. I don't care. Whatever it is, get in and do it. Now, what, it's experience, it's work,

it's money. You get to it. Yeah. I think the mindset of kids, these things will wait for the perfect things. Yeah, like I have to be really interested

in it to do it. And it's like, that comes later. If you're lucky. I'm interested in a problem than I'm interested in the head. Yeah. No, it's true.

like, There is that whole thing around, you know, if you love what you do, you will never work a day in your life. But it's like, you've got a graft until you get to that point. And I think, you know, even like with my sisters and stuff and me, like we've all gone through. They're like, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what I want to do. You can't just wake up and it fall on your lap. Like, flip-flop between 100 jobs, but at least you know.

She's got experience. Yeah. You've done different things. Absolutely. I don't really. I don't mean she believes me. At 16, I used to work all day and the Saturday. So I went to college.

I went to normal college. I was like, no, you don't want to do hairdressing. I think you should go to college. I used to college five days of week. I did psychology. So maybe I did. I did. I did psychology at college.

I was doing psychology sociology. And so I used to go to college five days of week. I used to work at college on Thursday and Friday. Finish early to go and work in their addresses. I was working late back Thursday, late night Friday. Saturday, all day and the cell I'm done, get me up at six o'clock, I'd have to be at my restaurant job at half a six. Wow.

All night, work all Sunday lunch. Like, I work for granted. And that's not because of my parents made me. That's because I wanted to. Yeah. No, I think that's great for kids. And I know it's a bit harder now, whereas we got paid cash in hand for a lot of stuff and it's a bit more difficult now.

It is. But yeah, at 13, I was on the Sunday market working for four euros an hour in the blistering he, you know, love it, like, worked to a bone. I probably did about the equivalent work of three waitresses at, like a little cafe thing. And then, yeah, when I went back to England

and I went to college, college Monday to Friday and I was working in a car showroom Saturday and Sunday. I actually didn't have a day off. Like, you just did it. And then I went to uni, my day to Friday, worked in the weekend. Absolutely. It's true. So, yeah. But these days, apparently,

That's not what we're. No. We wait till we're very interested. And I want decent pain with zero experience. That's the other more problem. I don't know five euros now. Yes, you are. I've got a rejoin like the nearer our house. Just literally, I am not.

Yes, you are, honey. Yeah. Get up there and get in that. Isn't it weird that young kids have stayed at? Yeah. Get in there and spock about and not just. you job, do you know what I mean? Not do it quickly. I said, honestly you will be invictible.

To be fair, she actually really loves it now. She's picked up next shift and she really likes it. I said, see, there you go. Yeah. You just have to get out then. She's saving that money. She was to go somewhere into this concept thing. And I'll say, I'm not paying up, penny, honey.

Yeah. So I'm going to, I will. But I don't know about. Quick, we'll edit out. Hey, I love it out. But you were. Yeah. That's what I've got to.

Yeah. I think it's nice for parents that I'll help you out if you're helping yourself out. I'm not going to help you out if you're not helping. But also these little jobs that we have over our younger years anyway, these are the jobs that give us the skills in later life, you know, like people's skills and the sociable skills. Conflict resolution. All of that.

All of that, didn't we? Our wachersing jobs is like when we were young. Dealing with our sole customers, like that shapes you. That helps you, you know. Yeah. Like, no, I'm all for working like young. But yeah, I think it's hard to hear us. Definitely.

and harder. Yeah, it is harder. She's got three jobs and goes to college because there's just so much more opportunity there. Yeah. And there's more like internships and apprenticeships and things like that. So it is harder here, but I think she'll be fine. It is.

I'd say it is. But if you want it, you can do it because my, for example, my son who has only known here because he was born here, he goes to college and he works. and he's getting a trade and is succeeding in it, you know? So, okay, maybe later on in life he won't do this trade. Who knows? Because like you say, things will change. But it is possible.

I get what you mean about more opportunities maybe, but they are here. They are here. If you want them, you can find them, you know? I think the trouble is, is a lot of kids get to like 15, 16 before they're really encouraged to do it, but then they don't necessarily have that confidence and skillset to be around, you know, work environment and stuff.

From 13 years of eight. She's like, because, I mean, not loads, because I gave you an example. The other day, I said, I need you to come and work. Yeah, no problem. So comes and she's sitting, sat in the back. No. Darcy. She went, what?

I was like, Darcy, I said what. Paul was like, oh, I'm so. I want to go out of course like, I call you, you can't have me. I sat there on a phone, it's like, God's the best of me of my again. Yeah, I'm like, oh.

Like having a very wrong. Yeah, no, I'll say, just talk about it. She was like, yeah, can I help you? What would you like in outside? You know, you just want to like, head bar. But sometimes it's, sometimes it works with, with your parents and sometimes it doesn't, for example, like with my eldest, he had, he had been out a few, few times with his dad.

And again, people skills. and different experience and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But at the same time, it wasn't working. You know, it was better off learning whatever it was from somebody else. You know, he's saying to me all the time, oh, don't want her to follow in your thoughts. I couldn't teach her. Absolutely not.

But they say that, like, even teaching your kids how to drive, I'll get an instructor, like, or I'll get a tutor because I'll strangle her. Yeah. She's had a tutor. She had a tutor for years because, well, I know, because it's Spanish. I'd be because, uh-uh. Yeah. So, I mean, I think it works for some, but it definitely doesn't work for a lot. I definitely doesn't work, and it doesn't.

It's an absolute chore. So when do you feel most like yourself? That's a hard question. I suppose at work, I am hairdresser deli out. At work, I am the pleasing everybody, they're happy. Like, when I, with Lou, when I first died, She was going through a divorce, a really bad divorce, and he was awful. And she'd be crying in the car, she'd be, because obviously I knew,

telling me, oh, she was devastated in the car. We got to that salon door, and she was like, a gay face. And she walked down, none of the girls that were at the 22 stylists, none of them girls knew what was going on. Wow. She was bang. And she said to me, that's what you have to do. That is how you have to be as a hairdresser.

So, I mean, I'm not with you with my husband. clients out, clients do become sort of like friends, you know. Yeah. And they all sort of know what's going on my life and know about John was a Darcy. Yeah, yeah. But I am still business head. I am still doing a client. I'm looking at who's coming in.

Who's that for? Who's clients that for? Do you know? Aware. Yeah, you have to be. It's my shop, you know. Yeah, yeah. You have to.

I'm still trying to give my client time. So there I'm hairdresser. Donnell. At home, I am stressed out my need. At home I walk home I go and walk in and I'll ask them to their bedroom into the middle of the hallway

I'm like Or like Freddy's got his Pokemon cards out and they're everywhere And I'm like baby Can we just put them on the tape You know And I just think does it really matter? Yeah

I used to be so like At work I've got OCD bad Bad If the bottles in the thing are not the right way I'll lose my shit Yeah yeah yeah Bad But at home

I have learned to people all like Doesn't happen Yeah For your own. For my own sanity. Yeah. Does it really matter? It takes a lot of time and energy to be that, to keep up that level of like perfectionism and to be really detailed orientated.

My house is clean. Yeah. Yes. The floors are clean. Like, kids can more grieve enough kind of feet. The floors are clean. Yeah. Does it matter?

Yeah. Does it matter? It does, it does affect your mood though. Like, it's really hard to, like, if the house is a mess, I feel like a mess. But I think especially when you've got young kids, you just have to roll with it and be like, it can't be like this every day. My house used to be pretty spotless, like, you know, maybe not constantly all through the day, but at least, you know, I keep on top of it when I had one child. But having two. Oh, there's a ball go.

Yeah. I've got two kids and two cats and between the lot of them, I just give up. Yeah. Try three. Just don't even have the conversation. It's not even worth it. I'll just stay behind the camera, okay? God, yeah, it's like people always say to me, like, oh, do you want more?

And I'm like, I can barely cope with two things. Like, oh. You said that to me. Like, absolutely not. I waited 11 years for a reason. Yeah. And how was that experience, like, waiting and then jumping back into baby mode? Because I just was 11.

And so I was like, done. Yeah. You're done, aren't? You're done. It's easy. Yeah. Heaven. God, they can make self breakfast for next to have dinner.

What makes out past that? You know what I did? Made it in life. Made it as a mother. She could cook her own pasta. And then bang, straight back into baby mode. Yeah,

but I absolutely wouldn't change it. I often think to myself, what would I have to do if I wasn't afraid of mommy? I was just asked his mummy now, what would I be doing? Yeah. Because what is there to do? Yeah.

Like, and he, they always say that like, you know, the universe sends you what you need. And he's the most needy child you get as a man in your life. Like we were saying before, second.

Yeah, second kids. So, really. actually I needed him. Yeah. Like, I need him to need. Now he's dead. He wants to go on the phone.

Loves me. Make me a picture. What about homie? Yeah, I often think, like, what would I be doing right now? You said about just saying where you were most, what was the question, where you were, where you are most you, sorry. Yeah, you feel most of, you still didn't answer it. I don't even know. Yeah, you explained two different things to Danielle's.

Is there any way? like going out with friends or when doing content or whatever, you know, is there anywhere that you feel just more content Danielle? More content, Daniel. Yeah. So maybe that's all of you. You just use them little bits during the day depending on what you're doing. And even like we were saying before, like it's not even I'll sit on the sofa and watch a series

because maybe it's learning Danielle. now. No, I need Danny. Daddy, I really like to learn. Yeah. Yeah, I think

there is just different parts to me. But I suppose I am happy at home with my kids. Yeah. That is where I'm like my safe space.

One thing I spoke about on TikTok the end of saying was I used to have to have plans all this time. I used to have to, if I didn't have something planned on a Sunday,

I'd be like, I panic. Like, what do you mean? I've got no plans. Like I've written now. Now, to not make plans of me on a Sunday. talk to me. Like, literally leave me alone.

Totally. I'm totally happy in my own space. My own head, my own kids, my own... So do you think that's what the change was back then? You were maybe less secure with yourself. Yeah, maybe. It could be age as well. I think as we all get older, it's always that thing that comes up, like, you know, out partying. I can think of anything worse now than to put a pair of heels on,

a little dress that I'm going to freeze in and go out past, you know, 10 o'clock. Absolutely. When I, when Darcy is still, I love still going out. Tuesdays off the night on Friday. Yeah. And I love going out. Casing did stay in it as Nans on a Friday. But it was more so actually we were renovating a house.

So our evening is were renovating and getting a Chinese takeaway. But still. Absolutely. Whereas, my mum will say, oh, like we're having my niece. Come ready, come and sleep. What are you to do? Yeah. what I'm going to do with my baby?

I remember he was probably about 15 months old and I was ill, really ill. I'd flu. Yeah. And she was like, Dale, just let me take him. Oh, God, I couldn't. She was there like, I was just really bad. Let me take him. And I was probably like, my baby.

Yeah. I was like, see it a bit. Isn't it weird though? Because you would expect that to be more for the first kid. But I even said the other day, like Hayden's just started full-time nursery. and I feel bad. Whereas Casey, I was like, yeah, drop you off, see you later. Yeah, go to your nands on a Friday.

I think when you know, it's your last. Yeah, it could be. But then I don't necessarily, I mean, I am done. Yeah, but you still could have another one. Yeah. I can't. No, I mean, I'm definitely like, do not plan it. I'm, I think, I'm sure I'm done.

But it's not that, it's not that, oh, yeah, but he's my last. That's why I want to be here and enjoy those moments. It's just. It is that for me. Yeah, see, I don't. See, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's on second child, older. Just, you can put it on one.

I think just second child. It's like my friends in the park. Not so bad now, but when we first started going to the park, they're all first-time moms. They were all the same kids. And the kid to fall in the way. Oh, and I'm like, oh, get it'll be all right. Yeah.

No, go play. I think that's just different types of moms, though. Definitely between like your first and when you have more, you get less, you know, on top of the month for all those little things. Definitely. But also I think there's like that A type mom and the B type mom. Yeah, I've seen that as well. I'm not sure which one.

In some aspects of my life, I'm like, I'm like, I'm in the A type mom. Yeah. Bath every single night, you know, like the bedtime routine. They're putting an hour every Sunday. That's me. And in another way, I'm like, do you want cereal for dinner? Absolutely. Casey loves cereal for dinner.

It's true. I think it's nice to be a mixture of all of them. I'm definitely a mixture. I'm definitely not. Who's got the energy to be. A type all the time. Absolutely. I think there's certain things that like have all sort of

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matter does it? No, I think so. Yeah, I agree with that. So what are three words your closest would describe you as? You mentioned all the different types of Danielle's but what do they all have in common?

No, obvious. What do they all have in common? Is this my family almost because my dad would be like loud, bongy? Oh, dramatic. That's not much I had to say. I don't know. Probably ambitious. Yeah.

Yeah, because I've always been ambitious. Like I was saying earlier, always. A go-getter. Yeah, always been a go-d-d-a. Confident and positive. I do not accept negativity around me. Anybody who's negative, but I'm like, nope.

Don't speak them words. Now out of your head right now, please three affirmations. No, I love that though. You know, like drop the depressants, no, we're not true in that, but I'm very, very much like that these days. Yeah. Like, no, obviously you can have a conversation as, you know,

things are not very much, da-da-da-da, but I always try and put a posit, it's been on anything. Yeah, I think that's another really good trait to have because, yeah, like, what does being negative bring you? Yeah, exactly. Makes feel worse. Yeah, no, I like that. Yeah.

I definitely get those vibes from you anytime we've ever. out. Yeah. No, I agree with those words. So, um, what was life like before coming to Spain? Because you moved at quite a critical age, really. 17 years old. That is not a nice age to move country. That is very difficult age. I got dragged to Spain too, but I was 11 and that's not a nice age of. Yeah, that's. Yeah. We also got dragged to Spain. Like, we're being taken to like the middle of nowhere. We're bringing you to the eyes of sunshine, but no, it felt like awful. Right. It comes Spain. Yeah?

Like literally. My dad's, my mom and dad obviously wanted him to come. They were really here. And my dad was like, no, leave her. She can stay. You were at that age, I suppose. I was 18. Yeah.

I'm 16. 18, technically. I could have. Yeah. My dad's led this and seemed to go back every two weeks coming back. But my dad knows me so well that he meant that I wouldn't need the eggplant. And my mom was panicking. I didn't know this until years later.

But my mom was panicking. And she was like, we are calling us the mood. I am not leaving here. Wow. And he was like, will you just chill? She will come. So he had full confidence that you'll follow. And she was like, we need to change.

We need to like, I'm not going. I'm not leaving without her. Yeah. And he was like, chill gone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, it was really hard. Really, really hard.

I've done that first year. college. I hate college, I didn't want to go there anyway. Yeah. But I used to go back with my dad because I was having drive unless he's there. So I used to spend two weeks here and two weeks there part in both countries, spend in face for a small amount of time. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. Um, then my dad was like, right, the first generation, she's not going back anymore. I'm like, what's mean? I've got plans. I've got, I've got tickets. He's like, I don't care. Came for itself, you know? Like, yeah, it was hard. And then I met, darts his dad

I didn't change in Spain yeah yeah and then you like to be in yeah then I love being yeah that changed my mind like as soon as I made a couple of friends then it was like oh I'm not stuck in the house

yeah exactly you can go out and do stuff yeah I met people I don't necessarily really like them yeah if they want don't you find that in Spain you've got like this many English people and so you go

I would be friends with them English people and then you'll never be yeah yeah and I find that yeah and I think you find that yeah and I don't you find that yeah and I think when you grow up in England, you pick your friends based on, like, interest, if I like you, but yeah, like you say, because you're limited here, sometimes you do kind of force friendships. I mean, I don't have anymore.

I used to. Definitely. And when I first moved here, definitely. I was hanging around with people that, not my time of people at all. I've never even been a party girl. And I was hanging around like, full-on party girls, not five. But you live and you learn. Yeah, you've got to get to get in there.

Yeah, and then I met Jack and then that was it. The rest is history. That didn't last very long. But, yeah, then once I'd had the artsy-up, I knew I never wanted to bring her at feeling good. I never wanted to leave my family. I never wanted to bring my child up without my family. Yeah, you felt a lot more settled here as your home going forward

than you was before you had met your dance-istad. And I knew that I wanted her to be here. That was my... main most important thing. Yeah, I think when I grew up here and like we were here for a bit, so I was here from like 11 to 16 before I went back for a little bit and like my sister's five years younger and then another five years or 10 years younger. And we've kind of spent different ages in different countries.

And I did not till I got older was really appreciative of them like, you know, preteen, teenage years being here compared to like close friends that I have stayed in touch. that have done their teenage years in England. And I feel like we definitely had a lot more freedom, less pressure, less bullying, things like that. Less like keeping up with the Joneses. My brothers are five and seven years ago and eight pounds. They grew up here.

So they were 10 and 11, neither 12, I'll move to Spain. So they've had their lives. Yeah. They've got like Spanish wives and Spanish kids. Yeah. They are Spanish. Spanish. 10 club and love.

I'm in bed. Yeah. I'm actually in bed. No one in bed, they're very Spanish. The difference to them to me is massive. Yeah.

Because they grew up here. They're so Spanish. Yeah. Just not. I am still English living in. See, it's funny because when I talk to people like in work that, you know, work in different places around the world and they're like, oh, you know, you spent most of your life in Spain like, oh, do you feel Spanish?

And I'm like, no. And I'd say that even though I've spent. and literally probably half and half of my life in both, maybe more here now, actually. Like, I still have dinner at 6 o'clock. I still do, you know, I don't really eat much Spanish food unless I go out to a restaurant and stuff like. I don't really eat Spanish stuff like that. No, exactly. So I'd say, yeah, we're still very much English living in Spain.

100%. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Love that. So what was the hardest thing about kind of settling over here? here then. You had your family here.

I have a family at 17 years old and I'm like nothing to do with my family. That's true actually. That's the age where it's all about your friends. Absolutely. 17 years old is like, don't talk to me. Now I'm like, Mom, for every little thing, you know. Like my dad's like, why ringing again? I'm like, well, so. Yeah, like best friends. I need your advice. No, no, I need you. And they're like, well, what just me? Turn it off.

But 17, I didn't want nothing to even a family. My brother. were kids. I'm not a kid. I'm 17. Yeah. I'm not a child. Must have been hard to like figure out like you say what you wanted to do with yourself in terms of like college and did you still know that you want to do hairdressing over here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I still want to do hairdressing and then we, my dad was taking us around salams, I was getting my group's hair jacket and doing the whole. She's half trained in hairdressing because I've done half of my course. It's just had caught in there, eight modules left. When he did the whole, she's like there. She's looking for it, you know, and I did get a job. and yeah

hairdressing finished my hairdressing did the eight modules I went back and took the sound so I've got

yeah yeah it was great yeah things were alright then yeah things were better

it was it was hard at first but I knew that deep down if I looked back I knew that

I didn't want to be away from my parents yeah like but that made my life very crushed

it like and anything like bought me a car to keep me here bribery. Love a bit of bribery. Like I'm telling you, this is right.

Who compare him without a little bit of bribery though? Exactly. I remember I used to go, me, my friend used to go to the pub and we used to drink half of lagers and chips and mayonnaise. And like a fagre was enough. Yeah. A few halves of lager and chips for mayonnaise.

Imagine, but I could get nothing now, does it? No. Wouldn't get you there with petrol, I don't think. It wouldn't even get to start the car, did it? Come to cry, press the bottom. Yeah. So, yeah, and it was very quiet then, wasn't it? It was.

It was. Yeah, yeah. We definitely, back then, around those years, like, you went from the boom of everyone moving here to having loads of people around, so then every kind of couple of months, people started leaving and leaving, to the point there was very few people left. Yeah. Very few. And, you know, lots of friends have come and go over the years.

Yeah. And there was very few of us original here. Yeah. Very, very few. OG. Yeah. So. I don't know how I don't even speak to.

Spanish. Even less. It was all right. Yeah, you did. So how did you go from starting working in salons to I want to be a salon owner? Because that's a very big jump. And I did speak to a salon owner at one of our work events. And she was like, I thought because I was a hairdresser, I could be a salon owner,

but there are two very different things. And people managing and all of that is very hard. And a friend of mine even in the UK had a salon. and yeah she ended up like even just closing it because of the stress of it. I'll get it. I get that 100%. So you obviously ambitious enough to go like, I don't just want to be ahead or so. I actually want my own salon. But dad says that I'm unemployable.

I love that though. I think actually every entrepreneur is an unemployable employee. That's why they start their own business. Like, don't think who talk to? I went from in hair dressing you go up through the round and you start up at the bottom and you go become a junior stylist it's first colourish junior stylist

then you become a stylist then you become a stylist then you become a senior stylist and then most people stop there but for me in everything there was no cap like so I then when I was here I worked in sound then I took a break from hairdressing then I came back

so this was what 2019, 18, 2018, I worked in a salon for somebody else for a couple of years. That's when I had my son. And so I was happy, just working two or three days a week. And that's all I needed, do you know? Like, that's what I wanted. In that season of life when you've got a new baby. Yeah, exactly.

That's right. And then I was like, no, like I want more. And so then I opened up a little shop, like just a tiny little shop. It was supposed to be just me. That didn't help and belong. And then I was like, no, I can do this. Like I can get people in. in and then before I knew it I had one beauty room and I had like five of us I then took a

fabric makeup course because that's more money at the time yeah yeah so like for an hour it's much more money than he's a hairdresser exactly yeah another street to my belt I'll do that actually I do do that yeah there's another course and you actually implemented it I have yeah yeah and I've got money back for that so good good um and then I was like I need a big shop My dad's like, my dad's run a business store is like, he's like, Danny Ake, a lot of extra pressure, a lot of extra stress, a lot of extra bills. Things that you don't even realise, yeah. Oh my God, my electric bill is like so, like so much in the summer.

I literally read it and was like. And they're things you don't think about. I was like, oh, I'd be double. I wish it was double. That would have been double even with that. People in the sounds closed. I don't know what the old one was. So, yeah, I think I've just always been ambitious in everything in life.

Yeah. Like, if I want to do so we can do it, and that's that. So you don't overthink it, you don't put yourself off. You don't like talk yourself out of it. It's like, if I want to do something, I'm going through it. I'll make it work and that's the end of that. Yeah. Where do you think that comes from?

Yeah. 100%. Like, seen it modeled and... That's it. Yeah. He took out a massive, massive contract and that was losing money and completely. turned it around. And so I've grew up with that.

Yeah. I've grew up watching. Seeing it's possible. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a great thing to witness as a kid. Oh, that's 100%. That's what I want to show my kids.

Yeah. I'll see. Get out best. Hello. Look, I'm not being like. Literally. It's funny you say this because this was a conversation we had recently. It's like you want all of like the money and the success to provide more for your kids.

But then at the same time, you don't want them to spoil it. And you want them to have the same amount of grit. of grit that we had, but how do you have both? My dad never sport me, never. Like, even though he probably could have more than he did, never. Like he made me work. Not made me work, but like we were saying before, I remember I went on a hundred and a thousand pounds.

And dad said to me, if you save half, I'll give you the other half. That's a great and sales pound and he could have me a thousand pounds. But he was like, absolutely not. Yeah. So I saved my thousand, my five foot foot. And then he gave me five. I like that. That's a good way of doing it.

Like you show me that you're going to do something and then I'll treat you. And that was what I've tried to do with Chelsea. And now so much now she's, you know, like she wanted to tattoo. She's 16. She wanted to start out. So she wanted to do it. I'm like, oh, anyway, I said, you pay for half and I'll pay for the other half and we'll go half's on her.

And she did. Yeah. And I thought, I really think she thought I'm going to go, oh, me go, beg and I'm not. I'm not doing it. No. I think it's really easy to just give your kids everything now, especially if financially you can. But you take away so many of those lessons if you do that.

I am now really remembering things from when I was that age that my dad did to me. Yeah. And when I was on said holiday, ran off a £300 phone bill. Oh. Speaking to my boyfriend. And, yeah, they, when I got back to have maybe pay every penny. He took my wages off me. every week, gave me $20, which was enough for

boss to college, eating at college. And it took a whole lot off of me until I paid it. And that was that. Yeah. Consequences. Me a lesson. Yeah. And he always said, right, if you, let's say you earn 50 pound a day.

10 of it is for rent and bills. 10 of it is for whatever, you know, the more than to do whatever. If you're left for $2.50, then you have got $2.50 to spend. Do not spend $5. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like because you haven't got $5. taught you how to break it down. Yeah. Not, yeah, it's like, oh, I've got a $50 pound.

I can spend $1.00 tomorrow. No, no. I'll pay that next week. No, I think that is one skill that is really good for kids is that delayed gratification. Like, I can wait for that or I can save for that or, you know, oh, you know, even little things. And it's so funny, like Kason's seven. If he gets home from school on a Friday and he's got homework, let's not rush it and like do it on a Sunday night. That's not fun. Yeah. Get it done on a Friday. Friday. Get it done out the way. Or like you say, if you've got plans on Friday night, just get it done, get out the way. Little things like that. Because I think I've always been really

good at that. I'm not massively impulsive. And I'll do the hardship first. Yeah, same. And enjoy. Because what is it? They say like if you, you know, do the hard stuff now to have a great life later, rather than enjoy and have an amazing life now. It makes it hard for you later. Absolutely. But then your half then stuck between, like, look at that train crash. Look at them people. Yeah. So then you're half stuck between, do I spend all the time?

Yeah. Yeah. Do I enjoy your life? No, that's true. I think you have to plan for your life like you're going to live to you 100, but enjoy every day. Like it. Yeah.

So I think there is that balance because, yeah, there are days. I'm like, I want them shoes. Fuck it. I'm getting them shoes. I work harder now. But then other days it's like, no, you really don't need that. Like, wait for that. Yeah.

I really want a pair of these new pair of new balance for wonderful brages. And I just keep like, no, no, no. Yeah, there's a pair that I won and they're like, yeah, 180 euros. Yeah, that's the ones I want. I was it. And I'm literally like, I am a sucker for shoes as well. Shoes is something that I do have a weakness in. And I've not even long got a new pair of shoes, like,

trainers. Yeah. But yeah. No, I think it's having that balance and it is really hard as parents. And I think that's probably where most of the stress and the worry comes from. Am I teaching them enough? Are they going to be good adults? Yeah.

And when I binge watch my TV shows and I'm watching one at the moment, which is, I don't know if you would have watched it years ago. It was old. Ciesta Key where there's a bunch of, you know, kids in Florida somewhere like, you know, living it up, but they're all in their early 20s. But they, most of them have rich parents. and like they're acting like they're seven years old. Like, and you can see the ego and the guys.

Like, you've been given everything that you possibly want and you are actually a not very nice adult. No. And it gives me like nightmares. Like, yeah, like, my kids are not going to be like that. I mean, we're not rich parents. Yeah, I mean, these guys have yachts and shit. Like, I'm not that level yet.

Yeah. But, yeah, I think, you know, there's nothing worse than like looking at your kids. knowing like you're going to be a horrible partner or a horror dad. I'm very, very, like with Freddie, obviously, he's got a sister and mommy. And so he notices when I've announced her. He notices like, when I picked one from school, he was like, Mommy, your hair's pretty.

And I've made it very, you open the door for me, my sister. You hold the door and you let being your sister. But why? Because we're girls. Because we're ladies. That's what men do. Like bring my child up to be a gentleman. You're giving them old school values.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And you do try. And another thing is, well, like on TikTok, I bang on about mindset. But the mindset of your children. So, and like everything that you learn in one of my courses. Yeah. I learned that you, everything between the age of two and three and seven is your, like, baseline for the rest of your life. Yeah. So if you see your parents struggling for money and saying, where's this bill? Sailing. Obviously, that can be going on. But if you see. say it out loud and your children hear that, they think that money

is scarce. Yeah. And it's hard and you have to work hard for it. Exactly. And it's... And there's not enough and they go out with poor mindset. That sounds terrible. No, but it's a bad relationship with money. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas like, you know, if you said, just, just

don't venture money. Yeah. So just don't... Yeah, but then I think I've seen something all around money and I've done a couple of the like money mindset little mini like audios and stuff and it is like rich people say I want that how can I afford it? Not even rich people but people like I want that with I want their new balance shoes. How can I get 180 euros or when can I justify it and what do I need to make that happen? Not us too much. We can't afford that.

Like when you talk negatively like say about money, money doesn't grow on trees like you know money's bad like rich people are bad people. it does, it massively shapes how people and, you know, as adults, you see that. Like, we've all got that friend who never has enough money at the end of the month because they've treated themselves too much or... Can you busy me sick quits because I've got a bill coming out? Like, how do you know that I've got so quick because I'm that friend that budgets properly? Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely not me. Yeah. Well, it sounds like from a young age, your dad modelled, like, you've got... You've got that much money and this is how you break it down. I never remember as a child, I know there was money struggles.

I know there was now. Yeah. Never, ever. Like my dad said, I needed a new pair of shoes when I was three and he spent his birthday money on buying me new shoes. Now in my head, I've got new shoes. Yeah. You know, that I think that, whereas as an adult then he said, well, we spent my birthday money on your new shoes because we actually couldn't afford to buy you new shoes. You know?

I didn't know that at the time. Yeah. You know? And so even though, obviously, of course there is financial struggles in every day life. But I don't, we. Darcy Moore's so now because she's 16, she needs to understand real life. Yeah. But Freddie.

And then the other day he said to me, Mommy, I can't do it. And I went to anywhere, Mommy, I can do anything, can I? And I was like, good boy. That's what I. And in great when they like show you your good parents and like, yes, that's me. That is me. There's no six word as part. That's what my dad said to me.

Yeah. Yeah. Because only can get it done. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. I think, you know, there's definitely things that I take from my childhood, which is massive reasons why I'm at where I'm at now.

And there's things that, you know, have shaped me. And probably like even conversations I've heard that I shouldn't have heard that probably have and I've had to, you know, relearn and re-wearn and re-wearn and re-wearned. work around certain things. Money is probably one thing, but it's funny because I probably had a bit of both. I had make it happen because, you know, we didn't grow out of money and my mom made things happen quite magically a lot of

a time. Yeah, exactly. So I've definitely learned like, well, you can figure it out. But then also, like, she grew up as well, like in a similar, you know, not very much money in the household. she's the oldest of six kids. They travelled around a lot. So, yeah, my mum's definitely like, hates waste, you know, those kind of things.

And it's a little bit of a scarcity mindset. And being extra safe and, you know, making sure. That's waste. Because that's how they were. Exactly. That's how they were. They, you know, the business never did well until I was, before we moved to Spain, really. Yeah.

So, like, the whole of my life, that was. Yeah. Like, don't wait. Yeah. I think it was, I also think it was that we are in a very thorough way. Because like they went through like financial crisis and all those things and they probably had really bad hardships. But at the same time we've definitely got, oh that's broken.

Ah, okay, I'll get a new one. Literally. So yeah, I appreciate that childhood. But I think because it was backed up with, well, we'll just figure it out or we'll make it happen or we'll just have to, you know, save for it. Yeah, that's it. It has that one way or another. It doesn't matter how you're doing it as long as you do it. Yeah.

And also kids like, you know, Freddie, Darcy was obsessed with Tours. She played with Tulls. Yeah, so every year was something, you know, Sylvallian families, Barbie. Then it was Dora. Then it was, you know, months to hide. Every year had something to buy. Freddy's not pondered about toys, really, at all. He wants attention and he wants to place Pokemon cards with me.

Yeah, they're like a two quid in the shop, do you know. But he wants that, and he, like, I bought in board games, he wants to play operation, he wants to play, connect, for. Whereas she never wanted to play, but he never. Yeah. She was always more independent. I think that's girls. Yeah.

She reads books. She always had a nose in the book. Yeah. Whereas Freddie's very, like, and so I said for Christmas next year, like, what do I want, I bought things this year for the sake of it because it's presents. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, what I said, I'd rather, I think I'd rather go on holiday.

I make memories rather than more proper. I'm going to fly my next year. I think that's one thing that you're particularly good at is money is generally spent on doing things together. Yeah. And like considering you've got kids of all different ages, they actually want to be together. Whereas I feel like... Yeah, that's what I should have... I think we did grow up as well with its things and its toys.

Like we didn't really have... Like we had fantastic holidays because like I say, my mum made it happen. but I don't feel like we did many of the little things. Like it didn't, I think we've realised now it doesn't have to be the holiday, even if it is family game night, or like, let's actually talk to each other at dinner time and let's go for a walk. You know, we can definitely implement that a bit more.

But I think it's just because we're more conscious about that stuff now. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, this is, for me, my eye opener was actually COVID, mostly, because for us, I've said this so much. many times for us that was our favourite time because we were together and it was real

quality time you know of real just being together not just because we've got that a quick hour here and there but it was it was real you know real time together and even the kids say oh can we have a COVID day sounds awful doesn't it but it's

because to us it really was like you know our favourite times and that's why we ended up putting in a I think it was, I can't remember, it's not this year because we haven't got time. It was on a Tuesday games night, basically, where every Tuesday we'd bring different board games, different family games out and have like a rotation depending on how many players there was. But just having that time together and that's what they wanted.

You know, they really, really loved that, you know, so I try and stick with that. I can't do games, like even just going for a walk or, I don't know, yeah, jumping on the trampoline, anything just to, you know, have that bit of real time together. And I encourage my kids, Garcia said three babies. But I encourage my kids to gone to baby sister. So I bought them a cake box, like, then I was like, she went, oh, are you making a cake? I'm like, you two are making a cake.

I love that. And it's not because I was doing housework. It's not because I was doing anything other than. Like, there you go. But like, do things together. Yeah. And they loved it. Yeah.

And they were like, you're not having any of you didn't make it. Don't get off on me. This wasn't the... It was my idea. No, that's nice. I think it's important. It's important. We put a lot of attention on us spending time with the kids.

But I think we always need to make sure that that, like, sibling time is there. Yeah. I'm very close to my rooms. God, I only got close of mine as I got older, really. like my my mid like she's they're all younger than me but my brother's only three years younger than me so um you know I'm boy and girl we didn't really we weren't that close I'd say growing up my up my sister's then five years younger than me so obviously when I'm 15 she's 10 your little sister so it's always that age gap of like I feel so much more grown up than you and you're the annoying sister

but then my other sister was 10 years younger so like when I was a teenager she was a baby So I liked that bit of it. Because you love that. But then as she got older than I was going out of my friends. So I don't feel like we grew up super close close. We obviously played and enjoyed each other's company and went on holiday together and the normal sibling stuff. But I'd say I've got a lot closer with my siblings as we're older.

I actually feel like, you know, they are my best friends rather than just, oh, it's my sister. Yeah. You know, we talk probably just as much as some of my friends. but I think sometimes people as they grow up and their siblings, once they're out of the house, you don't really have a super close relationship, whereas I feel like we got closer. Yeah. Me and my brothers have always been close, really. Yeah.

My dad is, my mom and dad are very, like, family. Yeah. Like, his family. Yeah. If you do anything for each of them, that's the end of that. Yeah. When I got the new salon, my dad had just had an accident. of broken shoulder. And so I signed, paid the deposit, all of that, decided I was doing it.

That's that. You did pay the deposit, signed the thing. There was a completely empty shell needed to then turn into it. My brothers both work full time. My dad was like, how are you doing that? And I was like, it'll get done. Simbaugh. My dad was like, Danielle, the boys were work full time. They've got wives. They've got kids. Yeah. Blind. And I was like, I put on him to stand on. And he was like, oh, congratulations.

I need to have. And I was like, you need to have it. Because I need the electric. And I need this. And he was like, what? And you know what? My whole family, all of them blessed my mom. She did, looking after the kids while we were there late.

She did cooking and bringing us food. She did all the extra stuff. All the cleaning. Yeah. She did all the dog's body stuff. One of the actual like, feed. But all the dogs. Bless her.

And it was done. We were there morning, night. We all went after work every single night. We had a plan. My dad did everything that he could possibly do in his breakshod. He got much better. And it was done by the day. And it was still better than I wanted.

Because I was just like, oh, well, I'll just put mirrors on the walls and just get chairs and I'll just do this and I'll just do that. This whole thing. It's the problem with saying things. I had this whole Pinterest board of everything that I want Love Pinterest

Oh my God Look at that I'm going to mention that What? Let's have a look My family are very like We are the best And that's that

Yeah We're very competitive All of us Yeah That's yeah That doesn't go down Yeah we're not allowed To play Monopoly

In our house No no No no The things behind the roads You know Like what everybody's What everybody's What everybody's

What is What is Yeah but I'd really like it With light lights coming down and I'd like the like lights and then okay no problem yeah supporting all the way thanks boys I was like don't listen to oh don't worry my dad just looked like a little shab don't worry I know that's too much stress I know you probably can't do it

would you mean you can't do it yeah and just like that the shell was complete I can't probably The next day And the light It was off And that didn't that? Well it just goes to show Like you're obviously all similar

And you've obviously all been brought up Like you know If you're going to do something You do it 150% Absolutely Yeah And even stupid things like I remember my mum saying

You do not eat a house Dirt shoes Ever Get a baby work Get a wood Now to maybe white Back then into cloth Yeah

Yeah Didn't use baby watch Things like that then. Yeah, get a baby water or get a flannel. And now my kids got the dress each, got some north of his actual bankrupt too, there.

Freddie will not leave to house stuff, like the baby wife over his shoe. And that was from my childhood. Do you know what I mean? Like, my mum taught me that. Yeah. That's nice things to carry up. And sometimes you don't even realise

you're doing it. No. And it's like, oh. If you walk out the house with dirty shoes, I think it's like a, just as a matter how much money you've got. Yeah. If you've got no money or you've got loads of money,

you can have clean shoes. Yeah. You can take care of pride in your appearing. And that goes, that goes a long way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. To be, I mean, presentable. Yeah. Yeah. Like, even things click to hovering. We was talking one of my clients the other day. And she said that they used to have a back on a

Sunday. What? What do you get the bath on the Sunday? She's like, yeah, when we grow up, we all used to have a bath, we used to share the bath water. I was like, mind blow. Yeah, I think my dad said this story to me, actually. So whoever was the younger used to get, or the other way around, I don't know which way, but would get then the dirtiest of the suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've heard that from, like, grandparents. Yeah. Not like I didn't grow up. Yeah, my dad's older, isn't it? Yeah. So sorry, Dad. Sorry, Dad. But yeah, I'm sure it was my dad.

Sorry if it wasn't. Grandad, Dad, that's going to cry out. That's how things change. Yeah. No, but I think. Yeah. As in like,

extra clean, like nail clipping, things like that. Sunday's big birthday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

But now I think some of those things don't cost much. And that instills, like say, pride in yourself. And even as adults, of people that I've interviewed and instantly I'm like I don't even care what comes out of your mouth because this is just not showing me that you even care about this interview. Like you turn up to an interview for a financial dry.

I love love it. But yeah, like if I'm interviewing and for a financial services role where you're client facing and I expect you to meet people and you turn up to your interview and you haven't brushed your hair and you look like you like barely even woke up like instantly. like it I don't know I think we all judge even without realising you can't help and not judging a bad way but judging it if you don't take care in yourself if you're going to take care in this role so yeah I think that's really really important I do always say when people walk into myself please don't judge my hairdressers

by bye it's like scrap not back no it's the same as even like nail technicians like I get to do my nails last okay so my nails are never done But yes, in every other aspect, you can simply be, like, clean. Yeah. And I've definitely, definitely, definitely. Yeah. I'm starting to drive me mad. Chouring now.

Get out the shower. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is the best advice that you've ever been given? I mean, you've shared some pearls of wisdom that you've grown up with. But what's some really good advice? Maybe for people, you know, in their early,

20s, figuring it all out. I'd have to go back to them days. Something that's served you well that's helped you get to where you've got to. Don't listen to that opinions of other people. Love that one. Don't listen. Only listen to, as we said earlier, only listen to the opinions of people who are doing better than you are or where you want to be. Yes.

Do not listen to the low-hanging fruit because all they're doing is trying to bring you down to them. They never want you to rise. I think we've said that. You'll never get criticism for trying to do more and try new things from people that are successful because they knew what it took and they respect the hustle and the journey. Whereas people that give the most opinions and the people that haven't even ever tried. And a lot of the time, they want to do it but won't. Yeah, a lot of the time they project their fears upon you. Now, you know, close family, you know, you probably shouldn't do that. I'm worried about, sometimes that's worries and fears and it can feel like it's

helpful, but even that isn't helpful. Even like my dad, when I got the salon, Dad was like, the same picture cars, some chicks and some chicks she met. Yeah, and my mum just very rude to keeps, she knows. Stanley has made a decision back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas my dad likes that. Yeah.

And now I'm like, what did you say? No, it's true. It's like, me and Liam met in Spain. And soon after we met, we went back to the UK, I went to college and union, and then we decided we were going to move back to Spain. We were 21. We've been together five years. Our parents got on a Skype call with each other talking about how much of a bad idea it is like we weren't even sat in the room. And very nearly we could have easily listened. And it did. And I am like, you know, I always

ask my mum for advice. What would you do? What should I do? But there's been the odd occasion where I'm like, I'm doing it. But I am a, you know, overthinker and risk assessor. And sometimes I can talk myself out of it. But when I feel like that gut instinct, luckily I have listened and it's worked out. And a year after I moved back, she followed me back out here. So, but yeah, like even the nearest and dearest

who want the best for you can sometimes, they're not in your shoes, they don't understand. Yeah. Yeah. You either get the haters who are doing it because they can't bear to see other people successful and we don't want those people in our lives. Because like we were saying before we started,

surround yourself with women who clap for you. Absolutely. Because you being successful doesn't take anything away from me being successful. Look at us now. And we can rise with each other. We go together, rise with each other. 100% which start in the podcast, I know that that must have been nerve wracking.

Yeah. Oh, no. Put that out. Oh, the anxiety. Oh, yeah. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. And then when I've seen you at the birthday party,

I was like, well done. Yeah. Well done. Absolutely. Yeah. And you were, you definitely stand out at my memory from when I was, first sharing things of like, yeah, follow, like, comment. Yeah. Not just, not even just to follow, but it was you were liking things,

you were comment and on things. And in the social media space, it's something, it's supporting. In the social media space and I didn't really realize this until I tried to do all this stuff, like likes and comments going so much further, like just to follow and, you know, our feeds are, Yeah, yeah. But our feeds are full of, you know, people that could do those things and free. And, you know, a lot of people don't. I did a post about this TikTok the day actually. Because you can see who goes on the TikTok. You can see who watches your videos.

And there's people who I would call friends, actual friends that have not followed me, not liked, not comment. And you can even see if they shared you. So somebody from my past shared it. So probably shared it to a group, yeah, laughing. But doesn't like, doesn't comment, doesn't follow. Nothing.

Yeah. Nothing. But actually all you're doing is giving me engagement. So you share the next one. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Very much.

Tick. Yeah. So you share the next one. You'll keep laughing at me. Yeah. It does. I don't care. Exactly.

People like that giving you the drive anyway. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And they'll be in the back mirror and they'll be exactly where they are now in a year's time in five years time. In five years time. In five years time, they'd be saying, oh, how did she do that? Yeah.

And then they'll come round. I remember seeing who was it? it was a famous actor on a red carpet and a news reporter trying to talk to him. Yeah, I've seen that. And she was like, oh, we went to the same high school and he was like, yeah, I know who you are. You adored me or you were rude to me or you did something

and she was trying to now be like a news report and it's like, oh, now you want to talk to me. Now I'm a famous actor. Yeah. And it is, it's like there's so much hate and it's like, it's free to support guys. Like, you know. You get more hate from people, you know, as strangers.

Yeah. That baffles me. It's more opinionate, opinion. You know, when you think, okay, everyone's entitled to an opinion. You know, but sometimes, especially it's usually the closest when it doesn't come from a nice place. Yeah. You know, when you think, why are you not bigging me up and supporting me when, you know, when my back's turn? Because that's what I really expect as a friend, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's what I would do. Yeah. It should be. Like, Molly May just announced that she's released in Addivash Trevins. I have signed up to the way in this. I don't care what that way.

Yeah. So the latte and the match of trains or whatever. Matcher and latte. Yeah. I'm happy now. Yeah. I'm happy now. Yeah.

They're going in my basket. But we all are very quick to clap for a celebrity to like this. Yeah. Like to share to sign up to the weight in this. But yeah, you see somebody, you know, I see you, my friend, making a podcast. I just scroll why? Yeah. No.

No, I don't. No, because I know you. Yeah. Like we personally. you know, so I'm going to support you more than I deal of celebrity. Well, this is what I was saying about the community, this community that we want to grow because why have we not in this community,

you know, do someone know a salon that can do this or do that? The first person, yeah, Danielle, she can. She's here, she's there, she's that. Why are we not putting ourselves first for everybody, everything? Because that's what we should be doing. And especially for women that do it for others, we should, like, because like we said, you know,

you even said at the beginning, like, you know, I'm happy to talk and share, but I don't want to seem like I'm boasting. And it's like, we should clap for ourselves as well, but it's really hard. Yeah. So if you can't clap for yourself, we'll clap for things. And that's the whole point of this community is to really like push each other and excite each other and share the good stuff. You were definitely that friend.

So you deserve those friends. Wow, that's amazing. Go for it. You should do it. You can do it. Yeah. And then to me, I'm like, no, I can't do it. To me, I'm like, oh, that's not a bit sure.

That's that. Yeah, very critical of yourself, but you are the biggest cheerleader for other people. Yeah, no. I'm a bit like that, you know. If someone's a friend, I remember even a friend of ours, I, oh, you know, worked for an English academy, and I think I might do it, mom's like, right, well,

so you do this and you do that, and what about that? I thought it's like, got your whole five-year plan sorted for you. I said that, this is being a friend of a test, I remember a list. I was like, right, right, this is what you do. You've got homework. This, this, this, this, this, this. Yeah.

People who get excited about the things that you're excited for or whatever it is you want to do. They might not have zero interest in it, but they're just so excited for you. And that helps too, the feeling that you get from somebody, whether it is your friend or these in our community that we're meeting these new people. It's such a nice feeling and it needs to be done more, which is why we're trying to. I love to the event that we had and just like say, share. and laughing and joking and getting to know each other. And we're doing another one. It's coming in February, so keep your eyes out.

So present day, what are you excited for? What's Danielle up to in 2026? A lot of things. Danielle in 2026 is not procrastinating. And not watching Netflix. Not watching Netflix. No. I did watch Netflix last week because I had a week off,

so I did. I thought and I was out and watch Netflix. But I is. In 2025, actually, I stopped myself from watching Netflix and watching telly because to learn. Yeah. Because you got. So that was a habit swap that you did. You can either engulf yourself in that Netflix series and you feel like you're living in it.

Yeah. Of it. Yeah. Or you can engulf yourself in your future self. Yeah. Do everything for steps. And I don't hope that I sound of cringing at myself saying. No, but we're massive.

That's what we, that's what pushes us, that personal development and that excitement. The learning. continually build upon yourself. Yeah, and be better. Like, when I think back to a TikTok, I started, if you, like, probably two years ago, that's the difference, because I now know what I'm talking about.

Yeah. So on. But everyone's got to start somewhere, though, haven't they? And you don't start as a master. Like, you start as a beginner, and you only become a master from starting. That's one thing.

The teaching, of course, is that act. Yes, action. You are a master. Yeah. Like, you've gone on a journey. But it's true. Everybody wants a journey, don't they? Everybody wants the follow journey.

Or a lot of people want the end destination. But like you have to go through it. And that's what makes it even more sweeter. And I think from people not to, you know, big ourselves up too much. But yeah, there are big accomplishments you've had. And actually when you've reached certain milestones, like owning your own salon, you realize it was the build up to that that actually made it fun. And like that pushed me and that's made me grow.

That's where 2026 Danielle is. Yeah. I have achieved a massive, massive thing. I have, you know, I've got my salon. What next? Yeah. Because that's not here. Yeah.

That's, I don't stop there. Yeah. Now what I will. Yes. Yeah. Speak it in. That ceiling into a floor of something else. Yeah.

You're on a building. Absolutely. 100%. It's just about building that next level. I'm not sure which one yet, but that's it. People go, oh, you've done it. That's it. You've got salon.

You've grown staff. Yeah. No. Not for me. You're done. Yeah. You're done. You've made it.

Yeah. Absolutely not. Yeah. I want to work less in the salon and do something else and I want to trade. Right now I trade my time for money. Yeah. So when I'm still behind the chair, I'm only with me. And I want that.

You can only earn that much money. Yeah. I want that to. change in 2020. That's a really great kind of financial step to realize and yeah, being able to change that. Yeah. Like I used to manifest my salon now. I used to walk into that tiny little salon wasn't much bigger than this beautiful. And I used to literally imagine myself opening up my big cell on. Like in, like I'm fully talking, visualising it. Yeah. Yeah. That's fully in my head. That's where I was. That's where I was. That's why I was. That's

doing and then bang one day I press the shutter and it's true yeah like um yeah I don't proud of myself I am proud of myself I just never said that but it's funny you say that because that's one thing I realise Charlotte says a lot and I never say I'm proud I'm proud I'm proud of you for saying you're proud of yourself

yeah yeah well done yeah no I don't ever give myself the credit no to other people like my friends are like wow you know that's it to other people that maybe that's the difference between yeah I was I think that's probably

the hard bit with having that kind of personality or that drive is that you can probably somewhere is the never enoughness and even though it's led me to be successful to

you know live in the house that I live and drive the car that I drive have the career that I have and have the life that I have it's finding that balance between appreciating and being grateful and not always pushing yourself to the point where you don't ever, you're never satisfied.

And I think I'm getting better at that probably in my 30s. And going back to like that's full brightness. If you, when we're kids, like them, that program you're talking about, if you just, oh, I've got this, I've got this, tick, tick, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this, I've got this, and you have that attitude of right, done it next, done it next. Yeah. And you don't have a gratitude. Yeah.

Then I think that makes you're not nice. You have to be, I have super grateful for my income. I'm super grateful for everything that I've worked for. Yes, I am ready for the next step, but I am grateful for that. No, I think it's appreciating what you have while working for what you want. That's normally what I try to remind myself. That's what I'm. But also, Lexington.

It feels good a little one line. I love a good quote. I love a good quote. I like it. I like that. So we are going to wrap this up with a rapid fire round, which I call the unfiltered minute. This is a quick answer. Whatever comes to mind, don't overthink it, just go with it.

Okay. Okay. What do you wish people talked more honestly about? Minds it. What do you think most people focus too much on? Other people's opinions. What's the best surprise you've ever had? My children.

Love it. What is something simple that brings you joy? Simple. Probably being okay with spending time on my own now. I'm literally just actually chilling in my own company. Yeah. But just being happy, chilling. Yeah.

Because that's a very recent thing that I've learned to appreciate. Yeah. What does growing together mean to you? Oh, I mean to us. It means this. It means helping each other. It means supporting each other. It means being engaging besties and support in besties and coming to your events.

Yeah. I want to know on that. Yeah. It means growing together. Yeah. Not bitchiness. Not talking about you behind your back. Not all of them things like so high school.

Let's leave that. Let's leave that negativity. Yeah. Yeah. What is your superpower or something that like you find easy that other people don't? Being positive. I am very aware that people around me struggle to be positive and I do not allow it.

Yeah. If I have a negative thought, I promise you, I'll almost physically throw it in the bin and go, stop. Where is that going to get you? And have you always been like that? No. Or is that something that you've really, a skill you've really had to learn? Something bad happened to me a few years ago

and it was from then that either you either die or fly. Yeah. You either let it affect you or you come to us. Let it make you, yeah. You go one way or the other, make you or break you as simple as that. And since then, that is where I had to fix. All I had was negative thoughts. And it had any positive thoughts then.

Yeah. And so I had to. Got a child. Yeah. I had, but I only had one then. Got a child. Mm-hmm. Be positive.

Yeah. Not just the basic. actually like live it, not just say it, but you don't believe it. Yeah. And eventually you just believe it. Yeah. Well, that's what they say. So, yeah.

What is something you want people to know about you that maybe we've not spoke about? I'm not very good at cook in there. I'm definitely not like, I'm single. How about that? Not to bring anybody. It's my aura, but I'm a single parent. So I do one of them things by myself. And that's one of me, my friends. That's huge, by the way.

One of my friends says to me the other day, she said, I can't even remember what we was talking about. Something to do with bills and da-da-da-da. He hasn't paid it. And I said, there's two of you and one child. Yeah. You don't have a business. Well, I've got business, but not like a premises, yeah. So I said, there's two of you and one child. I said, there's one of me, two children, two outbones. I've got a house and I've got the salon. I have two electric bills, two water bills, rent on that, mortgage on that. Yeah, I have two sets of everything, two children to pay for and one of me. Yeah.

And she was like, I don't have thought of it like that. I didn't die until I said it. Yeah. But that is the truth, isn't it? That is, and it's all balancing on me. So, yeah, I suppose that I am single. I do it's about myself. Yeah.

Love that. Hats off to you. And all the single moms because it's not easy. I find it hard as it is. I know. Sometimes it's easier. I think. Oh, well, yeah. I'm certain. I've had that conversation. Yeah. Yeah. No, like I say, I definitely have found a good one. But yeah, I think you're right in some situations. My friends talk about it as for someone. I could not be doing that. Absolutely not. I'd rather be by myself the rest of my life. Well, thanks, Danielle. Thanks for coming. I've really enjoyed this chat.

It's been great. And I'm feeling the positive energy. I was, when you said, just saying, I'm glad you've said that because I was just about to say, but I didn't want to keep interrupting. I feel like we all need a little, I don't know, positive pocket Danielle in our pockets. Literally, because, you know.

Yes. Yes. What I'm trying to be on. It's that positive. Yes. Yeah. Like, breathe in it, living it. Like, not the fakeness.

Not the toxic positivity. but the actual, like, I believe it, I've seen it, I've manifested, it happens, and I'm genuinely happy for you. We all are in, of course, my life's absolutely far from perfect, you know? Yeah. But I don't look at the negative things. I don't. I just do love it.

I just do them. Yeah. But like you say, if something in your life isn't where you want it to be, I'll make it happen. Or I'll make plans and steps to get there. It might take me a week. It might take you five years. But I think not letting, not letting the shit and the negativity get you down. and I actually saw a video, Liam sent me a real earlier today

that was a video of, you know, even the best husbands, you know, you have arguments, even the best careers bring you stress. Like, there's bullshit in everything, even the stuff that you love and you choose. So pick the good bullshit. Absolutely. And you can't avoid it.

Minutely, minutes. There is not a day where I think, oh, at the end of the day, like, because there's, there. like so many girls now and stuff like it is stressed. A lot of. But I then changed that. I'm so, yeah. So thankful I get to be stressed over that.

Yeah. Yeah. And it is that. Yeah. So where can the audience find you? You mentioned TikTok multiple times. I'm not huge on TikTok. Where, let us know your account. The dot Danielle.

Edit. The Danielle edit. I don't really do Instagram or anything else really. Just mainly TikTok. Great. So go ahead, follow Danielle, feel the positivity, make sure you like, comment, subscribe, spread for cheer, spread for cheer, exactly. No, I think it's great.

And yeah, it's a great mindset to have quite a few of the things that you've shared, a great tool to learn. I thought, as that, I'm not always positive, of course. Everyone has, yes, days where. But you choose the majority of the time to live that. Of course, like there is times where, like, Glasgow and all's ill, it's like, oh, you know, terrible, of course, but you can choose your mindset, majority of the time. Well, I think that shows the proofs in the pudding for what you've achieved generally in life.

You know, you haven't, you've, you've come to hurdles, your problems have come to you. You're going to sit and cry about it or you're going to sort of something about it. And that's exactly how you've dealt with things in your life and you can see that from what you've achieved. and also the energy you give off as well. It's a nice positive energy. It's a nice, it's nice. It is. So, yeah, thank you very much again.