The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - From Vengaboys to TikTok 🎶 Parenting Music Battles on the School Run

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

Parenting during back-to-school season is pure chaos different school runs, routines all over the place, music battles in the car, and kids testing the limits. In this milestone 30th episode of Growing Together, Billie and Charlotte get real about:✔️ Juggling 3 kids in 3 schools with different schedules✔️ Parenting through chaos and questioning discipline✔️ Music diaries and generational differences in family life✔️ Finding balance between strictness and freedom✔️ Why quality time matters more than perfect routines✨ Parenting isn’t about being perfect it’s about showing up. If you’ve ever wondered “am I doing this right?”, this conversation is for you.👉 New episodes every Friday, Hit subscribe for more honest, unfiltered chats on motherhood, family, and real life.

Welcome back. Happy weekend. Happy weekend. Happy back to school. We're parents everywhere. Bye, fucking me. Especially parents in Spain. Seriously.

13 weeks. I thought we were never going to get there in the end, especially for me. Because most or a lot of people were going back from the Monday, but no, no, no. We'll just have one more little red day, one more little fiesta day. Oh, yeah. That was funny. Just to, you know. I told Kaysen for weeks he was starting on Tuesday,

didn't realize that for some reason that bank holiday only applied to some schools. So he was due back on Monday, went Monday, and then we had this orange warning storm coming, cancelled all schools for Tuesday at 10 o'clock the night before. So they went back to school for one day, then had the day off. But yours didn't even go Monday. I didn't even get the one. So your kids didn't even start to Wednesday.

But we got there, everybody's happy. Yeah, that's the main thing. Because it's an adjustment having 13 weeks off. I remember being like six weeks off in England and thinking that that was a long summer. Here is so much longer. That's double, over double. Well, I felt more sorry for Mitch

because obviously where he's been in more control of the childcare over summer because I just go out of the door kind of thing and go to work, he was so excited for a first day of normal back to work kind of thing. And bam, no, it's a red day. And then Tuesday, no, no, it's a weather warning. Literally almost all day.

there isn't any rain here is there any rain here i literally didn't even have one drop of rain but it was very bad in other areas not so far and i completely obviously that's why we seem to just miss some of these things i think it did miss us because i was on a meeting with um a colleague of mine in yorker she said me yorka got hit bad benedorn was bad yeah i think i even saw it had been raining in al gopher and amurardi so that's really not far you know not far areas i get it but yeah we didn't even have one drop or like wind or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was... But no.

So, yeah, no, we're back, everyone's happy. Well, I say everyone's happy. I literally have still got that... That feeling from last week. I just did it again. I feel like I can't breathe. I've actually gagged a few. You're a gagger.

That's what I do when I get to that point. Excuse me. But yeah, no, I'm still there. I don't really know why. You know, I think it's just because everyone's fine. Everyone's happy. I think it's just me. well I was saying before like I've kind of gone back again I've got

but I've always had three children but I kind of have three children again who I've got to think of who's got to be where because Mason's former transport where he had his motorbike he sold that because he's going on to the car so at the moment he's obviously in the changing period of having nothing so as well as that he's doing short hours at work because he started another college course so I've got three children in three different schools in three different areas. Different timetables.

Completely different time tables for all of them every day as well. It's not like, oh okay, Lexi case, same time, same day, same hour, whatever it's called for summer and then obviously it changes for winter. But yeah, I think it's that

and then I've got clubs back. There's just a lot to think about... I think it's that anyway because I don't really... Everyone's fine. Yes, routine, but it's like you're a couple of days in so you're still finding your feet.

And as my parents or whatever, we're still... I can't breathe again. We're still... you know, it's still going on our head, even subconsciously. You're not in the rhythm of it, so everything's like effort to think about, whereas give it a couple of weeks, give it a month, and then you'll be in the rhythm and you won't be thinking of it as much, but every day it's going to be like, right, who finishes what day?

At the minute, I feel like that. How do you pick all three of them up? There's only two of you? Well, yeah, well. And luckily, there's two of you. Yeah, well, luckily they are different times. The way the times are working at the moment is working out okay. Right. So at the moment we're... But that only lasts for September.

Then their timetable has changed again. That's going to be more of a struggle. Because in Spain, they go back nine till one. Yes. When they don't go to Commodore, remember. When they don't go to Commodore and then come October onwards, then they finish it too if they don't go to Commodore. They go a bit later.

Exactly. So that, Lexi's actually asked to go to Commodore now. That helps though. It does, but it also... Why do I get that feeling of like I don't... Like I don't want to send her because she doesn't need to go kind of a feeling.

I don't know why I get that because do you know what? I love it there. She learned, they learned sign language the last time there was growing to Commodore. Really?

Yeah. Wow. And the food variety is great. Yeah, mine, you can tell that Mason never got into Commodore or even a Spanish nursery because he wouldn't even contemplate

Well, Kaysen any sort of cultural food. ate everything at Spanish nursery and then we went through COVID and then he started school and then I was like I didn't want to put him in all day when he's three years old

and he's been at home for seven, eight months he's not even been to nursery oh till half three is too long like they have a clock by the way and know when and where they are and they actually do say like scientists have tested or whatever they've done and kids don't have concept of time

and dogs don't either so like when you're thinking oh it's a really long day for them they don't know exactly but yeah I did the same thing big mistake with Case and picked him up and now he's a fussy heater. So, yeah, we're back to school. Today, well, I obviously, again,

with different school runs as well. So my Friday off snow, chilling, I've still got to do the school run. You've got to get up and do school runs now. But to be fair, it's good, because it kind of gets you up and going. That's true, otherwise you end up. It is just positive.

Wasting in it, yeah. But yeah, Lexi, I have a sing, I showed Lexi a song. Because I've probably a bit late to the party, but I really like this new song by a singer called Olivia Dean. No. Glad you haven't heard it either.

It's by Olivia Dean called Man I Need. Talk to Me, Talk to Me. Is it a TikTok song? No. Like, I found this song. I found this song. I found this song. I was going to say.

So I was showing it, Lexi, actually. Like, I really like this song. Yeah. So like a radio song? Yeah, it was on the radio. Just to listen at work. Okay. Be the man I need.

Talk to me, talk to me. Probably well out of tune, but it's something like that anyway. Okay. It's a really, it's such a... It's not even the words in the song. Like I feel good song. It's a really, really, really feel. feel good song. So then that was that. And then, then I said, oh, then we started talking

about songs when we were younger, because she started putting on, you know, like, it's the deed is some fun to replay. Oh, really? So Lexi's, I tell you what, Lexi's a banging DJ. She is. She's very, very good. And so then I started thinking of songs when we're younger. And, uh, you know, like the Venger bus and that played in the car today. Things like that. We dropped cases to school and Liam had to run in a shop and I was sat and I put the radio on and Hayden was in the back and it was, was it Fenger Boys?

Yeah, one of them but proper old goals like, oh, I love it. So all that's like, ooh, e, ooh, a, ah, sink, zan, so all these,

and then I thought about U, G, L, Y You ain't get no elevator, you ugly. God, I haven't heard that song in, I forgot about that song. So I put, she put that on,

so she had showed it at last night and then she put it on in the car on the way to school so literally, anyone who's seen me driving this morning saying, me telling you, you're ugly,

That was just the song, I promise. Oh, we do that. But then it made me think of all the songs when I were younger. They're not my own. They're like driving in the car thinking of them. Some were great. Some I didn't really realise the words. That is another thing.

That is another thing. That is another thing. So, yeah, I've got Apple Music. So Casey's got his own album in my phone. And then any song that he likes, he adds. Yeah. And we've probably done it since he was about two. So, like, I think the very first song in the album is the gorilla

from sing the Elton John song Still Stand I'm still standing yeah so that was like the first one and then it's such a variety of music it's some movies like kids movies and stuff but there's the one that's like Friday Saturday Sunday

yeah that I remember when he was doing that head and heart because my dad my dad said his granddad loved that one Dance Monkey which was one of his very first songs that he loved because my mom used to put the YouTube video on and it was the Evian advert with the babies on the rollerblades and stuff so he likes that but then his most recent one which is even way before our time

is Rick Astley Never gonna give you up Never can't let you That's gotta be your mom or something or someone no No I think it's something from YouTube Oh is it? I don't know what he but he asked about it And then I added it to the album

But he loves it and it was funny because when we went back At least their tunes. I quite like them. Do you know what I mean? They're good. Popper old as well. And when we went to his modelling thing, that was the song playing in the background.

I was like, I haven't heard that song in weird. And then, yeah. But do you know you're saying about like he's got, you know, like his song diary has been growing up in a way of what he was into? It's funny because, I can't think of that actual song now.

It's, because Mason used to call it faggerite and we could not get what it was. We knew what song he was on about. But I could not understand, where's the fag bit in it? Like, I don't know what it's the fagger If I could write you a song

To make you fall in love Fagarite Can you put a fagirite on? So obviously the way he says it I'm like Even now when we're hearing Oh that's a good song Look at each other and go yeah

Fagorite Do you know what I mean Like you say Them little things of the diary Of the different times Of the different kids And what they were into I love that

And especially when it's music That we like So he's got a couple of He's got Loupe Fiasco in there I don't know that it is an R&B like rapping kind of guy it's Liam's music but then the other one

oh what is it oh I can't think but it's like something about oh this is going to really annoy me now but yeah it's kind of a rude song but like you say you don't realise until you start

saying the words and having kids around and being a bit more conscious of actually what it means even though they don't obviously really get what it means So one of Mason songs when he was younger, loved, was Whistle. Won't you blow my whistle, baby, whistle, baby, let me know. I only, come on now. I did not pay attention. That went straight over my head until you said it about Mason.

Then I was like, what's wrong with that? That's what's wrong with that song. And there we are literally shouting these songs out. It's a little bit like me and Lexi with the trumpet song. And then she asked to sing on karaoke. I'm like, oh no. That went over my head. To be fair, I don't think I really pay attention

to the words a lot of the time. But then, and people say about Spice Girls. This is the one that I am so shocked about. Like, I was a Spice Girl super fan. I think we all was. Yes, wasn't we. I had the jacket, I had everything. I think I still have the album that I first ever got

with obviously the words on the thing that comes out. And I think the most, what, do you know what, all of them are actually, if you look at them, but two become one was quite, they knew that they had. young fan base and when you look like yeah everyone does it now there's no change there's no change in anything even um oh the the irish ones who sing salavi yeah what's that's a witched yeah what's not the witch does it play with the girls play with the boys if you ever get lonely

play with your ties surely it's i'm telling you surely it doesn't mean that i'm telling you i'm telling you i'm not having it no you play with the girls you play with boys or you play with actual toys I don't think it means that no I don't know watch you listen to them words everyone go and listen to that I don't know what it's called

go and listen to that song and honestly read the words unless I'm proper bringing it out to be dirty when it's not do you know what I mean because then I'm over well that one I would argue you're overthinking it

but the Trump hits the two become one most of the songs all of those yeah they're but what and even like swearing because on Spanish radio

they just play it with the swear words in it. They blank it out in England, but they don't hear. That's what I've had to be very cautious with, because I put the radio one. So I put the radio one at work and just initially put a Spanish one on, not thinking, because I just have it on in the car. Yeah. And then if I have certain patience or certain, obviously an age, I'm like, oh my God.

It's literally like, fuck you and your mommy. It's like the worst one as well. It's not just a little like, me or there. It's a proper like, yeah, one. So what do? What do you do with the kids in the song? So, I think mine seem to think they can say it if it's in a song. Well, I think, did you not say that that was okay?

I'm sure you've always been like, if it's in the song and they're singing, I don't mind, but they can't use those words in a conversation. When they're young, they're trying to really, really, is it what's the kind of thing in the word, emphasize that word. Because they know it's a bad world. Oh, yeah, that's it.

I'm actually trying to think, okay, probably not the best song for example, but I clearly can let my, just realize what song I'm going to say. Okay, so it was more Lexi, and I think it's because of the TikTok excuses, but, um, bitch, he said what I said, that one, you know, that song, whatever that song is. So that one, initially when she was a bit, yeah, I was, I was like, I was just go, mm, just go like that. Yeah. And then when I said, you can say it because it's in a song sort of thing, instead of just being, but it's, but it's, you'd be like, bitch, bitch. She goes for it. Yeah, really emphasize word of the whole thing because she's in a, but you said it because I was in a song. Right, that's taking it a bit too. far, you know, or, but then generally my lot like that with swear words. I think, I think it's quite similar to when I grew up. I'm pretty sure that, you know, my mum didn't like us swearing.

No, I wasn't really, I was, I wasn't allowed to say any swear words. I wasn't even, that's what I'm saying. Crap was a swear word in my house. Really? Yeah. See, we've always been out to say crap and like bloody. A lot of people say you can't say that as well. No, I say bloody quite a lot.

My house is, and it's only now Kaysen, I know. notice it because he's been saying it. Lexi says it in everything. I don't think that's bad. I don't care if he says crap or bloody. I don't think that's swear words. I don't, but obviously I wasn't allowed to say it. So actually sometimes I'm a bit like, should I let them say it?

Yeah, your question in yourself. In not being allowed to say it. But actually, the only, my parents didn't really swear, but my granddad was very cockney, like really. Yeah. So that was the most. So would he swear around you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he would... Yeah, I'm pretty sure my parents... Probably swear at me to be fair. My parents swore. Like, I don't think they were like over using it in everything. But yeah, they would swear, especially if like they were having an argument or whatever. So like I knew swear words, like all kids know swear words. But yeah, there was boundaries.

Like, we couldn't swear, we could sing songs. Yeah. Or if the odd one slipped out, it was like, there's a look kind of thing. Yeah. I'm trying to think what songs had swear words in there when we were younger? do you get what I'm trying to say I don't they're probably are they're probably loads

there would have been you know what I mean but this is how naive we were singing them you know in terms of everything but yeah yeah I can't I don't know

because I probably didn't even tell my mum if I listened to a song like that because I wasn't even like to say yeah see those like things I don't I'm pretty sure I said yeah but then actually one that I think Liam told me

he wasn't allowed to say knackard I don't think I was allowed to say knackard And that to me was just a word that meant you was tired. Yeah, I think, you know, I don't think I was in a need to say that. You say it like that because I think my brother calls it connackard. I think that's because he wasn't allowed to say it maybe, so he changed it. Because then you'd get my granddad the way he was. And then my nan, who wouldn't even say like, shit.

She'd be like, shh, sausage and mash. You know, oh, you know, like really like that. Really change it around. Like, I'm like, not even say anything in front of us. And then you got my granddad. Like, like, probably saying it to me kind of thing. Yeah. Like this fucking stupid idiot.

Yeah. The C word was offbound. I've never heard of that until I came in. So me, I never say it. It's not a word that even as an adult, that's just not one of the words that I used. And I think because my mum was the same and I think it was my granddad as well.

So my mom never said it because of my granddad. So my mom, I never said it, whatever. So yeah. Other words, like some of them are really good words, but yeah, I just don't get involved in that one. That C word, the C word. I never really heard of it until I came here. Really? Probably because of your age.

But I also knew that my mum hated it, that word. I don't know why, obviously. It was just listening to things. And then I hated it because of that. And then, obviously, I'm around a lot of people that say it. So it just naturally kind of came into my vocabulary. Yeah, see, one of my close friends. I don't use a lot now.

It's like her favourite word. So she would use it all the time and it literally would send shivers I can't, I just can't. And even Liam, the odd time I've heard him say it like when we were younger playing a PlayStation or whatever and I'm like, oh, why that word?

But it's funny. But yeah, Nackard, I was shocked that like people were like... Yeah. I just thought that was like an extra layer of really tired a good descriptive word. I wasn't allowed to be that tired probably.

Well, I didn't even know that's why. I didn't see it's an effective word, but obviously... I didn't know that's supposedly what it was. We'd have to get mine and his parents when I had to ask them why, because... Do you not know why? No. Oh. No, I don't know why. I wasn't allowed to say crap either.

What's wrong with crap? I don't know what crap is, but the thing... Well, it's not like shit, is it? No. Do you know what I mean? Crap is normal. It's like... But knackered, I can tell you why they wouldn't let you said knackered.

Oh, you know? Yeah. Oh, do you? Yeah. Shit, I don't know. Well, this is what... I'm sure it's Liam that told me this. Oh, see, I don't know.

I just didn't know. It was either Liam or someone whose parents didn't let them say it. And it was because Nackard is a word that's meant to be tired after sex. Oh, it's like ice cream wasted. What's that? Have you not to be hell, Bill? I don't even watch films and it's off a film. Ice cream wasted. Yeah, because it's something like, I want to be wasted.

And what's wasted is when you eat loads of ice cream. He's on this film. And then the kid goes, I want to be ice cream wasted. I want to be wasted. Oh, that's good one. But yeah, that's meant to be why. So it's the tiredness after sex. So that's what Nackett is.

Oh, wow. Because it's like, I guess, to do with me. Why was my brother Kanakad then at that age? Well, that's it. We said it. I don't know if my parents know that because I don't, I'm sure. I'm going to have to ask my mom now. I'm sure Nackett wasn't a thing in our house.

I'm sure it wasn't. What wasn't a thing or they wasn't tired after sex or what? Like, we knew what it meant. Well, no, of course not. You wouldn't. Yeah. You just, as a type, that's what I,

I just thought it was a form of saying unless it's more of like a Midlands thing. Could be. Like me and see it. Birmingham and Derby aren't far from each other. Maybe that's why. Yeah, it could be. I actually don't know.

This is where I have the school. Well, Kaysen started saying damn, which I know I've heard people correct to their kids for saying that. And even, I was somewhere the other day, where was I? And a kid went Jesus Christ and the parents like, nope, don't say that. And I was like, what's wrong with Jesus Christ? But this is it.

This is what I'm so... Not that I'm that religious, maybe. No, but this is it. Don't use the Lord's name in vain or whatever. My nans are. This is it. But some people are, even like with bloody. Yeah.

Or, you know, some parents don't like their children. I don't know. Sticking their tongue out. You know, kind of like that. Whereas people feel that's rude, which is fine. That's there. But obviously, I don't see that. So whereas my mum didn't, for whatever reason,

didn't let me say crap or whatever. And, you know, your mom kind of did. There's no, you know what I mean? There's no... Oh, it's your personal opinion of whether you find something offensive or not offensive. It is that. And what you teach your children? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? You know? So yeah, I would say, Kason, you can, at this age, as long as it's not the C word, you can swear in a sock. And yeah, I don't correct him on a couple of things. I do. Again, within reason with the swearing, because mine would just take...

Not like a rap song that's like got about 50 swear words in it. But like, bitch, I said what I said. Yeah, you can say bitch. I think Lexie or Morgan, one of it, I think Morgan put a song. song on the other day, I can't think what it is, because everyone's going to know what it is, but I can't think of the song now. And I literally was like, where have you got this song from? Because I knew it was like, and he was like, my dad showed me. I was like, oh, God's sake. Like, it was like, you know, can we turn this off, please, you know? And there is sometimes when Mason's got music on, or even Morgan sometimes, I say, right, turn this one off. I don't want this in the car when we're on the car. Change the vibe of the song. Do you know what I mean?

Like something else. Yeah, because I think, like I say, if it's a song that is massive, swear wordy but most of them are like just one or two in it like there's a black IP song that's in Kaysen's album and it says something about shitting on a lepracorn or something I don't know I can't really remember but I don't think he's realised what it is because he does really like to learn the words of songs and he'll bring it up on my phone and read the words and stuff but he's not clocked that one yeah and he's properly into one direction at the moment so it's like I'm pretty sure there's no swear words in that one but either way like you say if they are, that's what I'm saying.

It might be the odd little thing. It's not like you say, I'm going to fucking slit your throat, you fucking, do you know what I mean? None of that, that's a bit much, sure. Like, the odd swear word in a nice song. Yeah. But then I started to show him their solo songs. Like, they've all released their own music, haven't they?

I don't even know. Go on. Yeah, do you know what that one is about? No. No. I never thought about that. Oh, I think someone's told me. It might have been new.

I think I told you the other day. So watermelon and sugar high, someone told me, the Harry Style song was all about, oral sex and then I was like no don't be silly watermelon sugar hub what's that I got

and then I put the video on for Kaysen in the living room and it is pretty graphic yeah it's him surrounded by women eating watermelon

what's the watermelon got to do with it oh see what I mean sometimes it goes so away it reminds when you say like that reminds me of the film

that film trip you know when it's not it's a great fruit she gets out but i'm just saying it just reminds me about what the fruit things got to do of everything well yeah and quite graphically the way he's eating things in the video i was like tongue this it's like a fucking porno yeah so i was like yeah so i was like i think you can like somebody else just stick to one direction if they don't really know and they just know the song do you know what i'm saying that they don't know you know what mean it's like that isn't it's like you say for us i had no idea because because obviously they're not aware of those things,

so they're not thinking of it when the music's playing. But I've just, like, said that one that I like, talking to me, whatever it's called, that one. The words have got no, I can't reconcile with me, but I just love her voice and the song, the beat. That's all it is, the words could be, do you know, but I just like the way it is. Yeah, you know.

But there you go. So, do you think we're, that leads us on to what I want to talk about today? And obviously we're talking about what's right, what's wrong, are we doing things right? Are we too strict? Are we not strict enough? That's kind of come up a little bit for me.

I think I ask myself that nearly every day. Like, am I doing the right thing? Am I doing it right? Am I? But there is no right or wrong, I don't think. And where you come to being, are you too strict? That is probably more of a question because if you, the word strict,

I think because it's the word strict. Yeah. In my eyes, it's like a negative. Yeah. The word strict is a negative, but actually it is, yeah. It's not strict. It's more, um, I'm trying to give them a little bit of sort of discipline for a reason, whether that be, um, respect or...

Then discipline sounds like a negative. I know, it does, isn't it? It does. It associates me with like a, like a, like a, like a negative telling off thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I also do feel like I'm so, even when I'm saying stuff, even I feel like I've changed, even I feel like I've changed my tone.

God, I do. I really do. And I remember, well, I felt more like it was my mum who was probably the one who always had to do stuff. You know, like, and she was so strict on it and spoke to me quite seriously. Well, actually, she was teaching me. Yeah. It was teaching me.

And the reason I teach and bring my children up the way I am is because I try to bring them up the way me and Michigan. you've been bought up? Because I feel like we've been bought very similar. Yeah. And I think we're all right. We've got good values, you know,

and we respect, I say the right people because obviously some things change. Yeah. You know, like respect your elders, which I do, to a point. Yeah. Because some elders don't deserve the respect.

You know, like that kind of a thing. Yeah. There's some things that I've obviously changed along the way. You question some things. Yeah. But then it was like kids don't get to question anything. Yeah, yeah. So I have, yeah, like you say,

you've adapted it, you've took that, but not to the extent of, well, they can do what they want, because children need something because they, I tell you why, because I see a lot of adults and I think, oh my God, you know, I say it about the generation and that's, again, because parenting has changed. I've got three and I can see the difference from how I've clearly parented Mason to the other two. Mason asks me everything, which is sometimes frustrating because obviously I want him to to do it. At the same time, I think if he didn't ask me, I'd be like, well, why do you ask me? Yeah. Or I'd probably have a comment on it. I feel like me and my siblings, maybe not so much my brother, but definitely my sister's asked my mum a lot. Yeah. Like, it's like I think, probably

less so now, but definitely all through my teens in my early 20s, I would always run things past my mum. Yeah. So he calls me, you're at mum, is it right to get in the shower? Yeah, yeah, of course, you're going to get in the shower. I probably wouldn't have gone that far. No, no, but you know what I mean? It's like, I'm not going to tell my son off for going in the shower, Obviously, I'm not going to tell him off for any, you know, what I mean. But it's a very different thing of how Hogan wouldn't even second think about asking me to get something out of the cupboard or go in the shower. Kids were kids, like we were kids, you're the adult and we do as we were told kind of thing. That's the kind of way we brought up overall.

Yeah. So, yeah, maybe that's why you ask permission to do things. Yeah. Whereas the younger kids. Don't give shit. I want to shower. I'm going to shower. I want to say out of the cupboard.

I'm going to get something out of the cupboard. Yeah. You know, like Mason won't get anything out of the cupboard unless he asks, do you know what I mean? He asks. We've always asked, like, say, to eat, even now, like, Yeah. Oh, just have this, yeah.

Yeah. In case you mess up dinner or you mess something. Yeah, like, you have to ask. Yeah. And I can see that in the change. And then, you know, like, you know, when you kind of, not say, let things go, you know, and sometimes I'm right, I even say it to mention,

I'm like, right, we need to get on these two now because I am not having these, these kids being the drippy adults that I am seeing, here there and everywhere I'm not going to have my children be them adults I can't I think it's our with responsibility yeah do I mean and then I get days

when I feel like if I was there I'd tell me to shut the fuck up yeah you know but at the same time you know I can't not do you know it's finding the balance between doing your job as a parent to bring up a decent human being and also letting them be kids and have fun

and it is there is a balance between the two because too much of one or too much of the other doesn't bring up good adults. And I think it's not something that I've been that conscious of thinking about. Like, I'm looking at Kaysen as a little boy and, you know, things that are involved in parenting. But when you see the adults that, you know, lose their shit, can't take feedback and criticism, can't even explain how they feel, all these things. I don't say dress. I don't mean it about that.

I mean, presentable. You know when you see some adults and you think Why? Like in a situation Your shirt should be really tucked in then Or why haven't you iron that or For whatever the reason And I just think there might be that day a reason Always disorganised late for getting things

Like I've interviewed people I've worked with people And I think like what is up with you And sometimes it's just that These people are like that But most of the time it's come from Every adult is a product of their child childhood and everything goes back and that's either going to be a positive and a good thing like

you always see the people that are good people they've had great childhoods they have good like parents with good relationships they've modelled things for them like very rarely do you have a person who's a great adult who's had or sometimes you do because they've done the growth and the work on themselves but that's only something that people a bit more self-aware about nowadays but most of the time it's like i've got people that i know that are in their 40s 50s and they're still complaining about things from their childhood and it's everybody else's fault and it's like at that age you really should have realized that your childhood was your childhood there's nothing you can do about it so if you you know have issues then you need

to be self-aware and you need to work on them and you need to get therapy or you need to do something and you need to take ownership because your not in control of your own childhood but when you become a young adult you can either if it hasn't been a great childhood you can do things to make it better and you don't have to be live off by that and give excuses of why you haven't done that exactly you do something about that yeah isn't it exactly you cannot be middle aged and older still blaming other people and yeah yeah I think it's looking at adults now that it's really giving me that awareness of I'm raising someone's husband and I'm raising someone's father of their...

That's it. Well, I was talking about this last night with people at work and a guy that I work was that I'd be really worried, he hasn't got kids yet, to have a daughter, like, of everything that girls have to go through, like, oh my God. And I was like, well, I don't have girls, but I don't have that problem. So I would think raising a girl would be maybe more responsibility or maybe a bit harder because of all the stuff that we have to go through and safety and all that. but then at the same time

I'm raising someone's husband and someone's future dad hopefully so actually like how well we raise the men is how the women are going to get treated so it's actually irrelevant whether you're raising boys or girls

you've got a big job on your hands and it is it's it's not easy I have to say I do question myself a lot and I do have to tell myself a lot as well like no you're all right Charlotte you know what I mean you don't change of who you are because of, you know, other things as well, you know, like, but the only thing that I have, I say no, sometimes I think, oh no, sodded, do you know what I mean?

Yeah, that's how I am. Yeah. And sometimes I'm not all, you know, like when you either hear the, maybe not the words that I use, but in maybe like a, the tone. You know, like the tone of something, the way they aren't to somebody, not just in the house or something. And I'm, I'm like, no, I don't speak like that. And I think, is that because I've answered like that before. You know what I mean?

Or where I've said before, I've asked, nice, nice, nice. And then obviously I've got to a point and I've just flipped. You know, like, is that, that? Do you know what I mean? Is that what knows? They're going to do. No, no. And then sometimes I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, this.

They've got, can't do this and I can't do that. And then other days I'm like, no, Charlotte. You asked them three or four times very nicely and very politely to do that, which you shouldn't be asking them to do anyway. So, yeah, I am going to lose my shit. Like, that's who I am. There's some people who don't get to that point. Yeah.

Great for you. Well, I do. I do. You know, like, it's just, you know what I mean? It's not a great trait, but... Every person's different and every kid's different. So you're going to parent differently anyway. But you're a lot...

This is what I'm trying to say. So I'd say, you're a lot calmer, I think, to what your mom was. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Do you think your karma because of that? Or just because it's your personality. Because if your sister, I know she's not a parent, I don't know if she would be.

I think she'd be more, like, like your mom maybe. Yeah. No judgment there, by the way. I'm just saying, is it just the personality? Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like being the oldest kid, I think we've said this before,

the kind of stereotypical personality of the oldest kid is like the nurturer, the peacekeeper, the over-analyze, overthink, you know, all of that. And my mum's exactly the same because she's the oldest of six as well. So she's typical stereotypical first child. first daughter and I'm exactly the same but I feel like I definitely grew up in a bit of chaos which isn't good for that personality so I feel like circumstances my mum was in having four kids close together moving countries different relationships all of that yeah contributed to a chaotic kind of environment that our personalities aren't good with yeah and it's only through

and she'll she'll admit it as well only through getting older and becoming self-aware and learning about yourself and just I think in nowadays we just have a lot more information about we try to understand oh I must be ADHD oh I must have a bit of autism I might you know all these things that we're now aware of like she can see things and she's like right yeah and even in my brother my brother was a nightmare as a kid like tantrums throwing screaming and she always used to say he would have been a great first child if he had all the attention yeah and like with my nan he was a completely different child but but at home, amongst other kids, he couldn't handle it.

But I think if looking back, he was probably overstimulated and a couple of other things. And like even now, I know that noise triggers me. My mum knew she was being triggered, but she didn't know what it was. So I feel like understanding probably helps. And I feel like if you'd give me four kids, oh my God, I would be exactly the same as a mum of right now.

Get me out of here sort of thing. Yeah. We're all shut up kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. I even get that now with just two of them. So wasn't it on the party? He was like, yeah, right. So it's a bit much right now. Well, Kaysen, typically, whenever we've got people around,

especially when it's a party and it's for him, he'll get to a point and he has to go off by himself, which is great. And sometimes I'm like, everyone's here. And then I'm like, actually sometimes I was like, go have 10 minutes, come back in a bit. Because he's actually learning about himself. Rather than just go, everyone be quiet or whatever,

not that you did that, but whatever, yeah. Exactly. But I get that. I felt like I was just looking at everyone and there was loads of noise and I don't feel like I spoke to anyone. It goes through in a, like I'll go through it in a blur. Yeah. And inside I am like this, but I'm actually trying to like not make it worse by rushing around. Um, but yeah, I feel like if I had that many kids, I would be the same. I feel like I'm conscious of like, say just being, growing up with four of us, different schools, different times, all of that going on. It was just

a busier household. My house isn't like that. that. Yeah. So I feel like I've consciously done that, but then also my environment, Liam's super chilled. Yes. Only having two of them,

having a six year age gap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of those things have contributed to a much calmer house, which is nice. But I feel like I've, I've done that slightly on purpose, but it's also just the way that things have worked out.

If I'd have had more kids or accidentally got pregnant on all those things, and then it would have been out of the window. But I've hoped that it would be like this, then it kind of has lined up the way I've kind of wanted it to be. See, mine house, I say, well, when I said about Kaysen before, didn't I, coming over, it's like, no, no, your house is chaos. Now that was his answer.

Oh, okay, thank you. Thanks for that, Kaysen. But any time we go to your house, it's not just your kids. No. It's because we're all there. And I was like, you know, if you just come on your own, it's only like to say, every time you come. Any time he goes, there's loads of adults and loads of kids. Yeah.

But at the same time, our house is quite, is quite, um, a busy house. I do remember one time Mason coming out and thinking, God, it's just so loud in it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Is it? Is it though? It gets loud in my house when everyone's on, like the TV's playing, then they've got

speakers on their toys, then one's iPads playing, then leans on his phone. That's when my house is loud. But not the people. But Mason's loud, so I don't even know where that comment come from. They can't do anything without, so Mason will, I don't know, Mitch will be whistling, Mason will be, I don't know, slapping his belly or something, walking around the hat.

You know, like that. Like, it's just a noise to make a noise. And then... Yeah. Then say it's loud. But that's probably just because I've shouted for you. And there's five of you. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But with terms of being too strict, don't get me wrong, I question... That's okay. Strictness, I don't question. Let's just change that. I don't question that I'm too strict. Okay, that's good. I have to reassure myself that I'm doing the right thing.

with mine because I want to stick to try and I know it's hard in the world that we are and things change and I get that and get some things we adjust but I do want to try and bring mine up more or less how we was bought up you know and I'm trying that again I see something I'm not going to say it right but I see one of these meme

is that it'll you know the pitch with the writing thing and it said something like I'm not you know I'm not here to be your best friend which is fine I want to be my kids friends too at the same time but I'm here to parent you and to bring you up

bottom line is on your parent to be a respectful adult or you know them kind or and friend and kind or you know or whatever whatever this was and it made sense

in basically and that kind of thing whoever wrote it really reassured me as like yeah you are you know stick with what you're doing you are doing the right thing see I think I'm the reverse oh are you if I ask myself am I a good parent I think well yeah I think I am one because when I look at Kaysen yeah he's great and people tell me

oh it's really well managed and you know this and the other so I must be doing a good job it's the best compliment you can get yeah and I remember first dance class I took him to he must have been four I picked him up she went, he is so well-mannered. He said, please and thank you the entire time. And I was like, literally, I walked away, like, me and crying. It was the best compliment. Because it took, it just, like, was out of the blue.

So, yeah, so I feel like I am doing a good job because, yeah, he's good. I get, you know, feedback and compliment. But then someone told me something, this was before I even had kids. If you're worrying that you're a good parent, you're a good parent. Yeah, because you care. So then I feel quite reassured that I'm a good parent, but I question, am I strict or not strict and do I need more boundaries do I need more things in place or not and I think because I want him to just be a kid but then I also don't want him to think he can do whatever

they really wants. Because obviously like you say you see certain adults or even older children and you think yeah you're well rude yeah you know that sort of thing but then people could have thought that of me yeah and I was bought up without even being able to say the word crap for you know what I mean it's like you know it's hard because there's no right or wrong Parents could genuinely parent the best way they think they are. And actually, they're... Well, look at these, like, serial killer people sometimes. And you're like, they had such a good childhood.

And it's like, what went wrong then? Exactly. Exactly. But then I was going to say, about the strictness, I don't think sometimes... I don't question that. Sometimes I question maybe how I speak and the tone of how I am sometimes. Yeah.

Like really... What's the word? I say it's not moody. It's like strict, strict tone. Yeah. Is that probably the right way of saying it? So maybe like could be a bit like snappy. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a bit more, a bit more. Blunt. Yeah. And a bit, and it is a serious if I obviously still trying to teach them something or, you know, it's not getting told off, but whatever the thing is.

You know what I mean? That even now, I feel like I'm really like aggressive with how I'm speaking. And then I feel like when we were corrected and we were disciplined and we were told off, it was, that's how you got told off. Is that why? Because it makes you feel when someone's speaking to you like that. It's all that gentle parenting that you feel like you have to deliver it in a really nice way. Yeah, like, oh, don't you punch me in the face again. You know what I mean? You'd be like, fucking punch me in the face again. I'll punch you back.

You know, you know, like, is it? Yeah, is it that? No, I feel like I speak probably softer than I was spoken to when I'm correcting him, depending on the situation. So usually Kaysen doesn't do anything that serious that needs, mess but I'm like the way you answered me then was a little bit rude so just and he goes I didn't know most of the time and so I'm like I know you don't know but this is why I'm explaining to you when you say it like that so I feel like I do explain and talk but I think rarely do I am I snappy

but I think I have been a little bit recently yeah whereas I was aware of as I've told you multiple times not to do that you know even little things like he keeps putting the blanket over Hayden's head to play with him but then Hayden's still walking around and he's going to fall and hurt himself and he has a few times so I'm like I've told you this multiple times so it's like that's like that's justified yeah well that's what you said if you you know what I mean I think if you snap to like tell them off on something that you've given them no warning about that they are a little bit still learning they don't know they've done something wrong you can go straight to snapping if I think it's obvious don't kick your brother you know obviously you know that's wrong and I've told you

But if it's like something where he doesn't realize what he's done, then I feel like you need to pull it up but explain and not deliver it like that. Because otherwise you end up bringing up kids that are on eggshells, not knowing what they've done. Let's say later on that day, let's just say. You did it up like that day and you've had this conversation. Yeah.

I'd probably be like, I told you. Yeah. Do you what I mean? Yeah. I've started to get a bit firmer with things when I'm having to repeat myself and Liam's the same he's like how many times

you have to tell you that is when I think we get a little bit more sharper because it's frustrating I think it's frustrating and like you say we've done it nicely

we've explained it you know the consequences and the reasons why because you're going to hurt your brother and you don't want to why you do it exactly so that's when I get a little bit

I haven't had to really lose it with him yet but um I say I've I sometimes like I say I'm like, no, no, they deserve that in a way. Yeah.

Even though I could probably cry to myself. You know what I mean? Sometimes I've got to try and, you know, because again, I'm trying to bring mine, you know, not that much, you've always got so old off, but you know what I mean? Yeah. And then sometimes I do think to myself, okay,

as much as I have just told them a few times and then I've obviously gone a bit more, you know, whatever the word is. Um, I probably didn't explain it. Yeah. So maybe let's go back and just explain it in a more calm way again. Even though, no, I stick by what I've just said. You didn't need to do that.

Yeah. You shouldn't have done that, whatever. But just explain a bit better, as in don't do that. Yeah. And why I asked you not to do that, even though sometimes I think maybe I presume me that they should know. Yeah. You know, sometimes I'm like, no, you should know. Why am I explaining it?

Yeah, I think so. Obviously, yours are a bit more younger. And again, sometimes I forget Lexi's age. I literally said it to the boys. Lexi's the baby. You've got, no, Lexi, no. Everything I'm telling you now, forget Lexi, she's out of it. I'm talking to you two

You know like the boys Yeah yeah yeah Because I'm like no You know Let and be kids sometimes You know like that side of it as well Yeah No it's hard

I think the discipline thing Like say he's not had to test me too much So we'll see if we struggle with that But yeah I am at the point where I am delivering it Not completely soft And like say if it's If you've hurt someone Then I'm not going to go straight in

Oh don't do that Like no Yeah yeah yeah Like so I feel like I've adapted the way I was disciplined and even on that super nanny show like when she puts them on time out they do their time out and then she comes over and she says you need to explain to them why they did it so there needs to be explanation and sometimes just shouting at the kids and

you know punishing them they don't know what they've done wrong how can they correct it and sometimes they know well sometimes they don't can know what exactly what they're doing exactly Exactly what buttons they're pressing, and they're waiting for you, especially my life, waiting for one of us to come in. And then they get, sometimes getting a mood when they're in a trouble. Yeah. And they are literally, well, I remember, it's like when you were in class and you're getting in trouble and you were just in that giggly mood. And you think, please stop sharing them, because I'm just going to laugh in your face. Yeah. That's what they do.

Right. Not so much to me, I have to admit, it's more to Mitch, which, do you know what I mean? But. Which I bet he don't appreciate it. No, no, because he's literally just like. He's getting angry and anger in there finding it funny. And then they'd probably hear me coming down the stairs or walking, whatever it is, because I can hear them genuinely taking the peace.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And then I'm like, right. Yeah. And then it will obviously, they still have, as soon as I walk out the door, they'll start laughing. And Lexi's laugh is so like, yeah. But, you know, you think we've just got to try our best.

This is a good question. So far, I think, yeah, like, start with explanation, firm, not too soft, firm. And then get firmer if and when needed. And it depends on their age. as well I think. And their age, like I say, a lot of the time, I'm just correcting Kaysen's behaviour at the moment. I'm not punishing it. So it is about correcting and correcting, which is fine. But I think what I struggle with the most is the rules of the house. Like,

I know, I say I don't really have that many rules, but I suppose I do in a way, but I'm like, I don't feel like we connect a lot in the day because we're both working and then like, I want him to chill and I wanting to play on his stuff and, you know, what he and, you know, what he enjoys doing is gaming and things like that. I don't have huge amount of screen boundaries. But I suppose at the same time, after dinner when it's bed, after dinner when it's bath, and depending if it's half an hour and hour,

he doesn't have his screens then. So it's not like a rule, but it just doesn't happen. We kind of have rules. Like after bath, you don't have screens. We do story, then we do bed. So we have some rules, but I don't feel like we have loads. and case and finish the school one or two o'clock i finish at five we we do have a lot of

hours together whereas i know some parents you only have like between five and seven so it's i don't want to say it's easier to connect them but i'd probably have maybe some more rules when there's less time to spend together but sometimes we have dinner together sometimes we have dinner at different times so i don't really have a lot of rules around that and he goes to drama on a saturday so part of me is like i want him to have another hobby in the week. Maybe I want to do where he has to get involved in help and make a meal at least once a week. Some of the things that I think are a bit more like skills or like maybe we do no screen at dinner and things. I don't know whether to implement a few more. Now he's a bit older.

This is me. Change things a little bit. Because I genuinely feel like I was a lot more I say stricter. It's not the word. I don't think it's the right word I'm using for that. I just you know, did more, I say did more with Mace and I don't, I think that's the right word either, but you know,

like, I feel like I did more with Casey when he was little and I feel like I've lost that a bit, so that's what I'm worrying about. Yeah, and again, I lost that with mate. So again,

we've gone back to the kids having to cook the dinner, you know, a certain day or, you know, pull your weight again with the washing because that's gone and it's, why is it gone?

You know, this is a thing that we should be doing in the house to, you know, it's not, it's not a rule. Yeah. It's just like a family,

You're part of the family, so doing some of the job. It's not sure. It's just, you know, one of those things to help each other out kind of thing. And even like having like a certain day of the month where me and him do something, I've got all these ideas of things that I've seen are good. But then I'm like, I said it to him yesterday. He was like, no, I'm right. And I'm like, you literally said to me, I'm sure in the last week or so,

Hayden gets all the attention. So I'm offering you a day just us to do something. And he's like, nah. Yeah. And then I'm like, I feel like once a month we should do, whether it's all of us or some of us, we should do something we've never done before.

Or, you know, even I see people like, oh, they have their, you know, Saturday morning breakfast is like a bit more special. But then I'm like, he only eats cereal. So there's not anything I can do that's fancier or like I saw. Cason's a hard one though, to be fair. That's what I mean. It's difficult.

A lot of the ideas that I'm seeing that I want to do. Yeah. He ain't going to be interested in. So then I'm like, How do I... Who's child are you? God, yeah. No, and I get what you mean.

I did that, most of that in mind, they'll say something and then you saw it out. Oh, they don't want to do that. Yeah. You know what I mean? And most of the time he complains, but if I just say, tough shit you're coming,

he always ends up having good. Definitely agree with that. Agree with that. My favourite thing is going out, just at the night time, taking the dog, and they'll go on a scooter, right? Simple.

Yeah. The first time, it was awful trying to get them out. We had shrops and everything. thing. Yeah. But once they're out, that was it? When we're going again? And a few times he said that and I'm like, see, sometimes I know better or like if I've, very rarely, I think I've only gotten to try maybe two things to eat. And that's the other thing I really want to focus on this year of getting in to eat a bit more. But yeah, it's like sometimes when you're actually out and he's, oh, that was fine. I did enjoy that. And like pushing into

drama, he didn't want to do drama the first time I took him, made him go. So it's finding the balance between making them do something. And sometimes I'm like, what about this? What about that and he's like no no no and I'm like do you know what I can't be asked either so I'm forcing myself to do something and you're not bothered and I'm too tired with hobbies like that like you say you get something in things you think it's good and in the end it just comes an ad because you're forcing him to try and get there and I've learned that and even then don't get me wrong hobbies are very very good and my days were full wasn't it from Monday to Sunday I think you have one day in the week and I didn't have really really pulled that back like and I'm literally

pulled it back as in not doing as much or pulled it back into implementing it no no I've pulled about to not doing as much because it's just too much. Yeah. You know, you're, you were out all, like, from school. I still am really. Till the night time, every single day. But it's got to a point of, it just got to a point of, I just feel like it's too busy for then.

And I know I was the same. I remember my mom going, I was here with your brother at football and whatever else and you was at the stables and dancing and this, and I get it. And that's exactly how we were. That's my internal fight is, Casey's got his drama on Saturday. He finishes school quite a,

we're juggling the baby and doing stuff so we don't really do very much the odd day we might go out for dinner or the odd day I might take them to soft play after work but rarely do we actually do much yeah yeah so I'm like part of me is I should you implement that one or have a like Saturday after drama we do something or sometimes I'm like Sunday because if you ask him he always wants to chill. Yes. So it's like some days making them do something. So I think I want to get one more hobby for during the week, like either football

or karate, like more of a sporty, like exercise one because he's got his creativity and drama thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sundays are still kind of want to protect us, especially with school. Like, Sunday's your day to do whatever you want, chill. Yeah, I agree with that. Bajama day. Like, I question if anyone knocks, if someone rings my bell on a Sunday, who the fuck is

my dog? Because like you say, it's just one of those days, you do feel busy and like there's a lot going on so actually they need a day to chill. I think that's part of us being here as well. Spanish is very Sunday. Everything's closed. It's a family day. It's a chill day. I mean, things are changing with the times again but

we still kind of do get that out of season, don't we? That's Sundays no don't try and do anything. Yeah. Because everything's closed. So this is... So Sundays I'm happy to not do anything. So I think I just need to implement one or two more things. I think one hobby for the week and get better at him eating and prepping meals

and a few more things like that. Even me, I leave it all up to Liam. Liam likes what he likes as well, whereas I like a lot more different things. So really, if I took a bit more responsibility, I could have more variety in my diet. I just feel like I'm working and then I'm stuck indoors. And even when we're indoors,

we're not really doing stuff together. So I feel like I need a... You're saying you're together, but you're not really together. Exactly. That's how I feel sometimes. Yeah, that's... I might as well be at work. That's how I thought.

I might as well be at work because we're not doing the reason while we're not working all these hours. You know what I mean? We're supposed... Okay, yeah, it's nice sometimes to be at home and everyone's just doing their own thing. Don't get me wrong.

That's nice. And you need that because they can't always have you relied on to entertain them. And I like that Kaysen isn't, I'm bored, I'm bored. And even when I take his devices off him and it's a break time and he'll just get his toys

and he'll start playing. So he's a very good kid like that. And I don't want to... lose that because obviously we've built that in whatever way we're doing things yeah but I feel like we need a little bit of an umph as well and I I I've got to kick myself at them sometimes because yeah so I'm like them to go outside and plan to jump in oh can you come that that that's lovely that they're asking me to yeah yeah I'm like I've got to kind of feeling which is not nice because I love it when I get on there and it's fun I know it sounds bad but I don't enjoy playing

yeah it's weird it's weird isn't it I felt bad for that and then I saw a celebrity say the same thing. I don't like enjoying, I don't enjoy getting down and playing with their, their games. I like some of the board games and like doing a puzzle or sometimes me in case and sit and we draw together. Some things I like. Yeah. But I don't like the little, yeah, yeah, that I struggle with. It's hard of it. And then I feel like I'm being fake, but sometimes you do have to. But I did read that the, if you like don't have loads of time, work whatever, the best thing you can do for your kids is read them a bedtime story. Yeah.

That's something that the scientists have proved. That increases like bonding, connectivity. And when the dad reads, it boosts a child's vocabulary by like 40% or something like that. And when a mum reads, the kids feel really safe and that creates something else for them. Even though with my eye talk. I'm joking. So, yeah. But that, I like that.

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