The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - How Halloween Has Changed Since We Were Kids

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

It’s spooky season! 🎃 In this Halloween-themed episode of Growing Together, Billie and Charlotte talk family traditions, costumes, ghosts, and fears exploring how Halloween has changed since the 90s. From trick-or-treating memories to parenting during the spooky season, this nostalgic episode is filled with laughs, warmth, and real-life reflections.👻 Expect cozy chaos, relatable mom moments, and playful Halloween fun as they share stories about childhood costumes, favourite movies like Hocus Pocus, and what still gives them the chills today.🎧 New episodes every Friday subscribe for more real conversations about motherhood, business, and life.

I felt like it was a spirit, it was a man, and they stood behind me. And I literally was that, I just need to get to the house quick. What freaked me out even more was I felt a hand on my shoulder. And it was literally, touched my shoulder, finger by finger. And then I freaked out and run into the house. Welcome back to another episode of the Risen's Growing Together with me, Billy. And me, Charlotte. Yeah, happy Halloween, guys.

We are having a Halloween party after this, which is why we thought we'd, uh, Yeah, we haven't just dressed it. Yeah, not just for the pod. That would have been real effort, would be it? Yeah, not just for the pod, but definitely for the pod and for the party after. Yeah. And you'd think that I would have learned by now, wouldn't you, after so many Halloweens that. It does stain you, Charlotte.

It stains, okay? It is. Why does it stain so bad? Yeah, maybe just because I've just done every one with it, not everyone, but, you know, like, but yeah. Yeah, I think I might dig out some blankets and cover my sofa. Yeah, I know. Maybe that's a good idea. I don't really mind with the kids normally,

but they're all, I forgot about face paints and stuff. Yeah. And Kaysen's actually done it this shit. So he don't normally. He's actually got stuff on him to get on. Yeah, exactly. So I've told him two times out,

like careful of the sofa because he's forgot. Yeah. Maybe that's over why I only did one Halloween point. To be fair, we do do a lot of gatherings at mine and it has actually been fine. Yeah. I'm over the rug. So if anything happens to the rug,

really not bothered. Yeah. It's just my sofa. That's the only thing. I'm worried about because I have a beige sofa. You do. You've got beige everything, Bill. So it's I come in your house and I walk around everything and then have a look on the sofa

to see if the things on it before I sit down. I remember your niece said to me, I don't think that's a very good colour sofa for kids. Yeah, I agree. Well noted, babe. Well, I did buy that sofa before I had a second child. And my first child was five. So at that point, he was clean and fine. So, yeah, Halloween, do you decorate the house?

Yeah. We decorate the house. house we the same as Christmas I suppose so by every year yeah we add something to it we don't just go out that's a really good way because otherwise it just becomes a lot yeah you know and one to put it all up yeah and two I mean by the by years later you've got loads of shit anyway but um and and an expense so we've we just started with like you know like this like the cobwebs and things like this yeah and then we started adding more and more to it like lanterns and other stuff that hangs around the house you know what I mean and some stuff we really try and keep

and look after and some stuff's just you can't keep yeah like I I did the same thing I've tried to be good so I think it was last year I actually put stuff away for Halloween which is the first time I think I've ever kept stuff for Halloween yeah it really does because Christmas obviously my tree and stuff um but Halloween I've never kept the decoration so I kept only one which is like a paper lanterny thing didn't last no everything else was fine yeah that's it and I love to say my boxes you've got your Christmas box and your Halloween box and your camping box and whatever else box. Yeah, I need boxes at the moment.

They're in like bags and then it's like digging through trying to find stuff. Well, I don't really go in there and Mitch moans at me about these things. But when I do eventually go in there, it is very, the boxes. Yeah, I've got to be in a mood and then everything will be sorted out. But you, like, especially with sheds and stuff and garages, they soon get like messy. Yeah, so yeah, we do. We decorate and I do it very similar to Christmas. So we like add into it.

And now we're sheen and stuff. Like, it's so easy. It is. And I didn't because I said something. about whatever I looked at a minute ago and you went she and I didn't even think about somewhere like that. I only bought sheet stuff this year because I was ordering other stuff anyway and then I tagged on a few extra things. Yeah so I I yeah I yeah so they're adding bits and that's what I do I love it and then we get it out and even the things that the kids have made over

the years so there's like footprints made out of made into ghosts maybe you know what I mean like that kind of thing and that all gets hung up as well so it's very like you know over the year thing very much like Christmas yeah yeah yeah I know I never really thought because, yeah, when they bring home stuff from nursery, like, you're going to bin most of it. But yeah, keep in the, like, some of it, you can. Yeah, I mean some of it's like laminated. Yeah, I have, um, I have like a Christmas footprint for Kaysen that's going on the tree from nursery.

But, um, yeah, that's good. So, yeah, I like, I like things like that. So, yeah, we love decorating. We love getting involved. Dressing up. Dressing up. Um, and, yeah, always, always trying to get involved. It was hard, I think, a lot, a lot before.

because I don't feel that there was much for us to do, which is probably where we went to the party at home vibe because it was easier, do you know what I mean? But there is a lot now, a lot on at Halloween. Most of the bars and stuff do Halloween parties and a lot of kids' Halloween parties and a lot of kids' Halloween parties and stuff. And I heard that there's somewhere in an area that not far, that they're doing like a trick-or-treat, not hunt,

I'm trying to think what it's called, like root. A tric-or-treat route, which I think is really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's not. Nothing worse for kids than when they're going like house-to-house and they're like just nobody's answering. Yeah, well, I remember our first time trick-or-treating in, because we trick-or-treat. Yeah.

So, well, I, for me, Halloween, I associate Halloween with trick-treating. That's just what I do. Yeah. Hocus-pocus and trick-treating in. So staples of Halloween. Yeah. It's out of the much. So, yeah.

So our first year trick or treating, I remember going around and the kids were literally, well, I think it might just be Mason. No, Mason and Morgan, but more would have been tiny. And the doors were like kind of shut

on the kids as if like, some people I think were scared. Some people were just rude and didn't have kids or not in the Halloween spirit or whatever. Yeah. And some people just were either embarrassed and weren't prepared kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, by the next year everyone was prepared and so yeah every year now in our little kind of neighbourhood we do go around and trick or treat and and the kids love it do you know most people answer and give you sweet most people Mitch said this year actually he was like oh yeah that's great so and so and so so's just left so and so just left because obviously here's very like unless you live here there's not many do I mean permanent people so it's uh are they on holiday are they not are they not you know what I mean yeah I've never tried trick-try in um

here obviously i think case is only really getting to the age where he probably would anyway um but yeah we've never tried and i probably because that's what i would have imagined would happen it's a scary feeling of of things whereas if you were in england it's a noise so normal did you do it oh yeah every year like no matter how cold and freezing it was yeah you would still go and they come into the house i love the doorbell going yeah i think i was actually more excited at that i think i was more i think i got more of an excitement in me of the doorbell going and then opening the door and people being there and giving them the sweets. Right, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think anyway. I don't really remember that bit too much. But what I do, like, is when some houses are really done up. Yeah, and looking around. Yeah, because in England, like, you'll see, like, a few bits and bogs. I don't actually put anything on the outside of my house. All my stuff's inside. We do. I haven't this year. I've got it all there ready to do, but I just didn't actually. Yeah, yeah. We usually do, but England's gone very American-y as well, like real comfort. I've watched a podcast. the other day and they said that it's becoming more of a thing whereas it used to be a kid's thing

then it's a adult let's dress up and get drunk thing but now it's like do the house show off and I love it when like they have like the door open and you can actually go in and they have their house very similar to the Christmas the ones at Christmas that go way over yeah I would love I would love to be in America that to see it to just drive around the neighbourhoods go trick-or-treating go to like their hornet house that it's a proper thing yeah even when you think about watching um hocus pocus when they go trick-or-treating yeah that's what i have in my head it's really weird isn't it that's exactly how i have halloween in my head but no i i remember trick-or-treating um in your like DIY costume yeah it was grab the bin bag yeah fake nose grab a hat that was it

or a bandage wasn't it yeah exactly like actual bandages cover it in blood whatever there wasn't the option of like you say all these online quick no we didn't i don't know if they had a lot of buy costumes um and if they did that i think they were expensive i was going to say they would have been in like proper fancy dress shops do you know what i mean they have to like fill on higher aren't they yeah yeah which it's a shame but at the same time it's good because obviously everything's not so expensive yeah yeah yeah well they're like proper full on like real good good style costumes but um yeah i remember like cutting things out of bin bags i remember my mom actually got um god there's just come back to me um so an old pair of jeans and a t-shirt and like wrapped

the whole outfit in bandages so i wasn't in bandaged but the clothes were yeah yeah yeah um and it was all glued on and then she like rubbed it all in mud and it that was like really cool like real homemade yeah yeah yeah you know like recycled i think it's probably yeah word isn't it casein's not had one bit of a recycled question ever i'm trying to think mine probably haven't actually if i i certainly haven't done it the school do a lot or the nursery used to do it The school and the nurse, you do a lot of, well, I say, it's not even recycling. It's just using crafts, in it, to be fair. They didn't make them.

But the recycling thing, you know, if at home, when you've got an old sheet or an old, like you say, a pair of jeans. Cut things out. Yeah, yeah. It's that that I think's brilliant. And that has fizzled out, to be honest. We're very lazy in that sense. I think because now it's less about it being scary. It's more about what's in fashion.

Like, at the moment, it just so happens that the film that's out. at the moment, K-pop demon hunters that Kays and loves, he is actually a demon in it. But otherwise, if it hadn't have been a demon, that's just potluck, that that's the movie of the moment.

He would have been dressed up as a normal person otherwise. Lexi said something earlier about a chipmunk. Oh, I know what, I'm going to be next year. I'm going to be a chipmunk. And I was like... That's what I mean. When I was a kid, it was like scary. Are you a witch?

Yeah. Are you like a scary clown? Yeah, yeah. Are you, yeah, like a psycho, whatever it is. But you get to your teenagers. Because it goes to a little bit. What can I be? Playboy Bunny.

Do you know, I used to actually, saying about the Halloween, the fancy dress shots, when I was like, I used to spend teenagey, I'd say, spent so much in one of the town shops, costume shops, in Halloween outfits.

And I think that's why I've got, I literally sent you pictures earlier. You've got a lot of stuff. Yeah. Because they are good costumes. Stuff. Do you know what I mean? I mean, this is actually kind of recycled

from your hen. My hen do. I mean, it wasn't covered in blood. And this is restart, because this is my actual cheer outfit. Yeah, these actual cheer outfits. I mean, you can tell the difference of quality. Well, this did cost for like 150 pounds. Yeah, I mean, you can sell. It's lovely.

But, yeah, I'm not covered this in blood. But yeah, I'm a bit sucked in. A bit snug. Wow. I would have bought this. It's probably just because we're used to wearing loose fitting stuff as well, no. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

It's not too bad, to be fair. It doesn't look it. It's just that feeling. Yeah. It's just a feeling of being And I put my little shorts on underneath. I've definitely got a shorts on it. Was that when I was,

when I wore this, I was pregnant with Lexie. And now I'm here with the tonight. The next time I'm wearing it with her, in her cheerily. Yeah, because she's in her like her little matching wine. So I was eight and a half, eight,

just over eight months pregnant when I were. Yeah, you had her three weeks later. Yeah. Yeah. So that is crazy. Yeah. And now she's like nine. I think that I just well kept,

to be fair. Yeah. Well, I mean, apart of the blood. I did put the blood on. Did keep it for nine years? Wow. Yeah, no. So best costume that comes to mind for either you or one of the kids. Oh, do you know what? I can't, the top of my head you're saying this, just going back,

because all I can think of is me as a kid. Yeah. And it's not Halloween, but again, my mom used to put so much effort into making costumes. It was unreal. Like, looking back now, it was like, wow, that's so cool. And you don't think how much effort. And I didn't appreciate it. I think I used to moan about it. And then their school were like, make this and make that stuff. Yeah, honestly. And I think she used to get excited about it, to be honest, the worst thing, if anyone could find it.

I'm like, no. But just because I'm not good at it, I think. I think that's why it is. And anyway, I was, it was, the Wizard of Oz and I was the lion. Okay. I think my brother was the Tin Man. No, my brother wasn't the Tin Man.

But I know I was the lion anyway. I was definitely the lion. And my... Suppose you weren't Dorothy? Yeah, yeah. No, I was the lion. It was a bit tomboyish at that time, I think, as well. Okay, fair enough.

So, yeah, I was, like, full on. I'm trying to think what she used, because I had this full on like... Main. Imagine like a mop. That's the only, I don't know if it was a mop. Do you know what I mean? Because however she put it on my head, I don't know, I'm going to have to find a picture because it was so cool.

I don't think I thought it was cool. I can't really remember. But looking back now again, I'm like, wow. For a homemade question. Then there was another one when I was younger and I was Little Bo Peep. Okay. Again, that was a real, like, you know, like so much effort into it. Do you know what I mean?

And one that you remember. Really ones that I remember. I can't think of Halloween, to be honest, at the top of my head. But that going on costumes anyway, I know it's not Halloween theme, but going on costumes and the fact that the way parents did used to, well, my ass, obviously, put so much effort into it. They're the ones I remember. What about you?

Halloween or not Halloween? So one that came to mind. That one bandaged one, obviously. The bandage one came, I don't even really remember wearing. remember like her making it yeah but one weird isn't it then yeah them funny that you kind of remember um but one that comes to mind um was I went to a Halloween party in Las Ramblas probably it I think we were going to our liminar in Mercia at the time I have no idea whose house it was I really can't remember I just remember being on a bit of a curve

you know how like it's really windy being on a bit of a curve it being like a open plan living room kitchen and there was a balcony there was loads of kids i assume you would have been there but i actually can't remember whose party it was i don't know if it was georgina's or jemmers or someone's um because we were young i literally i think we just started our limanar i'm sure we were at a limanar at the time so we would have been 14 um we were drinking bocadi breezes I really don't remember that. I won best costume. Really?

So there was a competition? No, I don't remember it. There must have been because I won a T.Y. And it was a little bear in a pumpkin soup. And I ended up dressing up as the woman from Matrix. Purely because last minute I was like, I don't have a costume. And my mum's like, right, leather jacket, sunglasses. Mom's to the rescue.

Yeah, literally. She kicked me out in her proper like 90s clothes. I can imagine you as that. It's weird to know you say that. I can kind of imagine. I don't know if it's just because I'm imagining you, doesn't it? Do you know what I mean?

But I really actually can't remember the party. I was definitely this woman from Matrix with all like the leather. And there was a full on competition and you've won't it. There must have been a, yeah, it was a competition. But it was just like a kid's house party thing. I don't know if there was any adults there. I assume maybe.

Like kids isn't, you're saying us? Us. Oh, okay. So we were the kids. We were the kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking little kids were. No, no, no, no, it was us.

It was like our group of friends There was quite a lot of us I don't remember what anybody else was wearing I don't even really remember who was there Just that you just that I was the woman for The Matrix I won We were drinking Bacardi breezes

Like the watermelon one And all the different Bacardi breezes And I think I did the worm And I bruised my chin I'm pretty sure That was

I can't have been there I'm sure this was the party that I did the worm a few times and then obviously got tired went to do it again my arms just collapsed and I chinned the floor tried to like style it out like didn't hurt had a massive bruise on my chin

and then soon after a couple weeks later we had school photos and I had faded I'd faded out pink hair and it was like faded like an orange by the point of the school photos and there's this really ugly photo of me like with like faded pink hair

and a big bruise on my chin and my mum has probably got a couple of the school photos from when I was younger probably didn't buy school photos for 10, 15 years and then bought the most ugliest one

Oh do you remember them school photos? Yeah Oh no I don't I really don't remember that part but what a memory What a memory? I literally can't believe

I can't remember anything else about it Unless I loved that story There's no way I dreamt it Surely not There's way too many details Because I had that T. Y bear for a while. Yeah, and I do I do sort of remember the story. I just don't remember

that maybe that I was there. Do you know what I mean? You might not have them. Well, that would be too many Bacarty Prizes, who knows. Yeah, could be. Could be either way. But yeah, I remember feeling pretty cool in that Matrix outfit. Yeah, I, I... When you just said it all I can see it's doing that thing, you're so matron. Oh my God. That's all I can imagine.

Yeah, so at Warner Brothers and I forgot that until you said the other day that the video come up because there was a guy at Warner Brothers Well there was a couple wasn't there Yeah it was a couple wasn't that

and he was full blown whatever Neo from Matrix the guy I don't think I've watched The Matrix The Matrix guy You just you know what he looks like even if you haven't watched the film

and they're walking through Warner Brothers I think it was like half nine 10 o'clock because I think it was the last ride and we were leaving and Liam ran up to him didn't he and did like this like Matrix move of like slow motion.

So good though. And did the guy copy and react. Yeah, they went along with it, didn't they? They like, yeah. It was really, really fun. So funny. It was only coming across. I was like, oh my God, yeah,

because it happened so quick sort of thing. And then they went and then we just sort of carried on. You can't ever get, oh yeah, that happened. That was very cool. But no, that was good. Winner. It does remind me of Mean Girls as well. What, Halloween?

Yeah. Yeah. Because that, that is the thing is that you go through. You go through an age where, like, it just becomes, like, how cute can I look? Yeah. Well, that's why when Lexi said chipmunk, I was like, yeah, you carry on. Chipmunk. I don't know what you mean.

So when it comes to trick or treat in and the kids have got, like, loads of sweets and chocolate, do you, like, set boundaries? You just let them go for it. What do you do with the kids? To be honest, I don't really have, have, like, a. I don't set any boundaries. To be fair, it's a little bit like Easter and Christmas, well, you know, like that they get so much in the end that they stop and they leave it.

So I'll chuck it out. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So, to be honest, I don't need to. Do you know what I mean? And if I did feel like, you know, like they've had something and it's hyper, well, it's too late by them anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to say they don't have any more. It's more so, I think, just so that they don't. carry on to the point that they're sick yeah exactly that but at the same time sometimes they just need to get to that point because you could just keep going on and on and then just want it so do you know what just have it Liam this week because Hayden can climb up on the sofa now oh which is not good and if the minute I'm like oh yeah no because he stands he climbs up on it then stands on it and if you go to touch him he throws himself backwards yeah so it's like you've got to like grab and grab like otherwise he's just going to go flying no fear

and he no fear fling himself he has no concept of gravity and you're going to break your neck and then the other day he climbed up and then leon was on the other side of the room i was on the other side of room and he was like uh hated hate it hate it and then he's like billy you're not moving and i was like yeah maybe maybe not by paralyzing himself yeah that's a big but yeah um favorite movies obviously the one is hocus pocus pocus there ain't a better hallowy movie for me definitely not have you see number two do you know what i think i have i don't know if i had this conversation with you or someone else the other day but i think i thought i hadn't and then i do think i have but i'm a bit funny i think i i think i have but probably only

once i yeah probably only once but the first one i'd watch over and over and over and over yeah every Yeah, like multiple times. Yeah, that is a definite for me. But I'm very, with the originals, I'm very in the first. I am. I'm very rarely do the seconds ever live up to the first. Yeah. I feel like it ruins them as well. Yeah. To be fair though. I don't think the two was bad though. Mm. From what I was going to say, I'm, I'm a bit like you. It's very hard to be first. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a couple of movies that have done it. And Hocus Focus 2 didn't beat the first. No. But it was all right. It was still good and I even will watch it now.

Yeah. But it's very different because the first one is quite serious and quite scary for kids. Not scary, scary, but like, it's spooky, isn't it? I thought that when I watched it. I was obviously a little brave when I was younger than now because I wouldn't have watched that. Exactly. Like, and we loved it as a kid.

It didn't, it was spooky, but it wasn't too scary. But the second one, they've definitely gone down the route of it being more funny. And was it not more musically as what, like, is it in that or is it not? No. Okay, maybe I'm thinking. Because they sing, they sing on stage of the parents' party. That's what it is. I think there is two songs maybe in the second.

It is. I know. I think it was actually on the other day. That's why I'm thinking of it. And I was like, oh, this is the two. I'm going to find you. I'm going to get you, get you, get you. That's it.

That was it. That was it. I watched it the other day. So I remember. But no. I've never done that as a Halloween costume. That's it. Next year.

There you go. We'll go as the. What are they called? The Salem's is still called. No. Stamerson's a store. and sisters. Stairns and sisters, that's it.

From Salem. From Salem. I'll know what was near. But no, that is the dawn. But in terms of... Oh, I don't know. I don't really watch any other ones. Kaysen likes the nightmare before Christmas, but I hate that.

I think it's rubbish. No. There's another one, isn't there? Like, I'm trying to think of the old ones. Like, my brother would watch, like... It was something street. Something street. I can't think.

It's like a number, I think. That's a scary one, I think. thing that's an old, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't watch. Well, Hocus Pocus is one that I watch because like I say you can put it on and the kids can watch it. But there are, I just don't watch scary films anymore. I don't watch, Bill, I can't watch like CSI anymore. I used to love stuff like that. Things like that scare me. I love crime. I mean, I want to cry now thinking about it because I love like psychological thrillers. Because they scare me now. Yeah. Well, they are a bit freaky because the ones that I watch,

these could really be real. Some of them are based on true stories. I, are you to watch all of these. But I don't, I don't like the really scary ones anymore. I like a thriller, but not a scary movie. Well, I even realize I love like the, you know, like A&E, 999 and whatever. They even scare me now. Everything just scares me. I'm such a scared cat.

It's so weird. But when I came, when I was younger, the first thing I watched here in a Spanish cinema was Jeep's Creepers. But, yeah, I wrote that down here. Jeepers creepers. Jeepers. your tone because then I went downstairs stupidly in the underground car park thinking I was a fucking big and you know like the sounds of like pipes and that thing

and just scared ourselves that is actually quite a creepy one yeah I mean not that was like I did watch that quite you don't need to be for a horror film to be fair um that one I've seen quite a few times have you yeah no right that was it yeah I think no that came out when we must have been teenagers and I've watched that quite a few times and then you made me I made you? Well, I don't think you did. I was probably again like, yeah, okay. To what was it called?

The fucking horrible thing that comes out the television. Oh my God. The girl and she cracks her knuckles. I think we actually, because my mom and dad used to have one of these big cabin sheds in the garden. So we used to try and sleep out there. But yeah, I don't think we ever really lasted a full night out there. I think we always used to try and watch a scary film and end up back in my bedroom. Yeah, no.

But you remember once when we watched the ring and we were in my bedroom and... Yeah, the once, that was the only once, but I wouldn't have watched it. There's not a fucking chance. I've seen it. I've seen it a few times. I know we've put it on somewhere else at a sleepover somewhere and I was like, no way. I'm leaving this room and I just left the room. I was like, you lock, because I'm watching it really. I haven't watched it for probably more than 10 years.

And I don't think I could sit and watch through a film like that now, but we remember watching it. And my bedroom was like half underground. So, like, my window was, like, by the walkway, like, of the garden. You know what I mean? Yeah, so the floor, yeah. So basically normal windows, you would see someone like here, but then my window, you can see more of their whole body. Do you remember?

We just finished watching it. And I went to my blind to pull the blind up, because we obviously watched it in the dark as well. Pull the blind up. And literally the very moment I pulled the blind up, my sister walked past the window. Not even trying to scare us, full daylight, dark long hair right past the window. And we literally was like, wha!

And she, I think she came back and was like, what's the matter? What's the matter with you guys? But it was like, you cannot have timed that any better. No, no, no, no way. But, yeah. That is my memory of two, that was it. Too scary. That's it.

I'm done out. I used to watch the Michael Myers ones quite a bit and that freaks me out. Is that the one with the Jason mask? The white mask. I think they've been on the telly. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And Mason has watched,

Mason is sick. He laughs at some stuff. Some stuff, right, I can't even look at. And he's giggling to it. Liam's the same. Yeah, that creeps me out a little bit. I can't find scary movies scary because look at them. They look ridiculous.

Some of, this is, some of, I can't think of what a name of this film was. I think it was a new one last year, something like that. And it was, it was awful. It was like, and he was, and I was, and if I'm all worried that,

you're laughing at it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Then finding it like either ugh or... Yeah, I remember watching either like the conjuring or something when it's like a nun-looking woman. And Liam was laughing. I was like, how are you laughing?

This is so scary. And then he was like, actually closely look at her face. And when I did, I was like, okay, I see, but it's still freaks me out. And then there's the other one that, the exorcist, is it? That these are just, I don't think our generation. I don't really watch that. I don't watch any of these, by the way. Do you know what?

I think we have used to watch quite a few times. that's kind of a horror, but not really. Final destination. Final destination. Is that where they, everyone's going to dine? They're the premonition and then, yeah, but they can't stop it happening. Yeah, and scary movie, but I'm not. Oh, scary movie.

Oh, scary movie. That's just, that's just one in one. Oh, I do you feel that's our generation. Yeah, oh, that's totally our generation. All the ones we've kind of smoke about. You couldn't probably say half of stuff that's in that movie anymore. No, well. Like, because 99% of it is probably really offensive.

Yeah, that's actually quite true. But I think just people are quite soft now as well in a way. You know, like it's, yeah, that is, that is a movie. That would, some of that scares me though still. Yeah. It's weird, isn't it? Oh, God, Sharma. I know, I know.

I'd watch it, but I would feel like later on if I went upstairs on my own. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I'd feel a bit, yeah. You know what I mean? That's how, that's what I mean, I think. Yeah. I'd watch it. It'd be later on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even some of the thrill of things that I watch. They're not, I suppose they are borderline because some of them are like sick people that are in it and yeah, sometimes I'll watch it and then I'm like... It's later on, yeah. You know, like just everything's a bit shifting. I think that's why I don't do it.

I think he's that feeling later on literally. But one movie that I suppose is quite Halloween. It actually taught me about Halloween or Day of the Dead is Coco. Yeah. The Disney film. Yeah. So that's good. That is the...

We forget the whole point of it. The day after, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Day of the Dead. And you put up all the photos of all the family that you've lost and things that they loved, like food and drink. Oh, okay. Yeah, and it's called La Frienda, so I guess the offering.

And that's what they do. I guess you sit and eat and drink all the things that your family enjoyed altogether life has a family. And is that every... I don't know how stupid. Is that just like, so Coco, is that, are they not like, not American and they're not American, are they? Are they? Mexican.

That's what, well, that's what I was thinking. It's Mexican, yeah. Mexican. Because that's like the sugar skull and the patterns and the colors and stuff. I think it is quite Latin American-y. Yeah. But we, they celebrate it here. Hispanic then maybe.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, it's a lovely thought that you spend that a day. remind remembering the people that you've lost and sharing stories and celebrating those people rather than just never talking about them again. Yeah, or thinking of it is a... In a sad way.

Yeah, yeah. I like that. Which it must be obviously sad, but it's nice to, to like say, turn it, flip it and actually celebrate. I didn't realize that. Yeah, La Frienda. I have, I have, I'll say I have watched that film. That film's been on in my house and I know of it. But obviously, I didn't really listen to the story.

You know what I mean? It was out for years, I think, before I actually ever put it on. Yeah. And I remember even the first, like, maybe the time I watched it, I watched bits of it and I was like, this is rubbish. Yeah. But then when I actually sat and watched it properly with Kasen, I was like, it's actually a really good movie.

It's got some good songs in it. It's one of a, one of, one of, one of, mine and Jason's faves. I wouldn't have sat and watched it. So do you believe in ghosts? Nah. Don't know. Oh, for goodness sake, shine a man up. Okay, the truth.

is no. Okay. But now I don't want to say my reason why. Because I just haven't seen it. I'm a bit like, I'm a bit of a, I believe it when I see it sort of thing in a way. Yeah. You know what I mean? Okay.

But then. But please, I don't want to be proven right. I actually don't want to see it. I don't want to be proven right. I'm happy. It's a weird one, I think, for me. I don't, because at the same time, I do believe in, in soul, spirit. I don't know. I'm not really sure. I don't really know. I don't really know what. I'm going to

quite honestly. I'd say no. I think I'm going to go no because I haven't seen it, but I don't want to see it because that just scare me. I think it would scare me, yeah. Yeah. What about you? Or you're going to say, yeah, right? I do. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I think they do say this, that kids are a lot more in tune with that stuff. And it's only because as we grow up we're taught things like yeah yeah can't see it's not real kind of thing and you just you get rid of that gut instinct and there you're on a different level to not be able to be open to those things whereas sidekicks and people aren't and they've kept in tune with that kind of thing but it did make me think when I heard that a lot of kids have um imaginary

friends yeah are they actually imaginary or are they actually the first ghosts that they can see because Kaysen had two for a very long time. Melissa and Ovi. Wow. Complete random names. I think they were teenagers and yeah, like for a good solid year, maybe a year and a bit, he would say, oh yeah, they're in the car with us. Oh my God.

I would have a heart back. Or like we'd get home now. So it's like it got me thinking like is that actually like for kids and imagination. It's hard. Again, it's weird, isn't it? This is, it's hard because I can't answer it as like, yes or no, because I feel like I have to. That's why I've said no. And for that reason. Yeah. Still, again, I don't want to, don't want it to be proved to me. But at the same time, I like, I like the idea of I, I've fell, it's weird, isn't it? I fell across a lot of these videos recently of, what they called? The people who could speak to medium. Psychics.

or mediums yeah these people and it's a specific one i don't know what her name is it's a girl probably irish she might be a bit younger not sure um and she's connected with yeah and um and i find that really intriguing do you know what i mean but at the same time i'm a bit like it's because i haven't had it done to me and i really want it done but at the same time i'm scared do you know what i mean it's one of those isn't it because it's like well i've i've had a few like readings and stuff and do you remember there used to be a TV show when we were kids and my mum was obsessed with it what was his name and he'd be on stage and there'd be an audience and he'd be getting messages from people yeah i know and he's scouse was he not scowls no he's

american oh was he oh okay then i'm thinking of someone else i can't think who's what his name was but it was a massive typical tv show my mom was obsessed of it but there is a guy who's a lot younger now who was on like e doing the same thing but he'd go and do celebrity readings in their house and Tyler Henry maybe I think his name was and like the celebrities would get it done and obviously celebrities can be easily Googled and things like that but nearly every single one was like that's not public knowledge nobody else even in my family know that that's a secret or this and the other it's definitely got to be true well and I have had a few little experiences yeah so this is obviously why I'm a bit and the idea of

of I like the idea. Don't get me wrong. Of nice ones, you know what I mean? Yeah. I like that idea of a nice, peaceful. Yeah. You know, I don't think I believe in like, yeah, what you see in the movies,

like the ghosts that are like haunting and that can hurt you. Like, charmed. This is probably what I've got in my head too. That was our, that was our watch, wouldn't it? Oh, God. If I could have been. If I could have been. Test three.

The power three or set us three. Oh, I love that. That is like full on childhood. That was. Yeah. That was, yeah. I love that. Yeah, I can easily.

But then that's what I'm saying. So it's a, I have different visions. Do you understand? I have visions of that and I have a different vision of, you know, when we talk. Yeah. I don't really believe that there's ones out there that can really hurt you and stuff

or that are like after people. But I definitely believe in like spirits and people can connect and get messages and they can like even give you messages and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I did have one experience. Hmm. Was it here? Yeah.

Not in this house. Oh, okay. In my mom's house. So at my mom's house. So, don't surprise me. So really weird. And it's funny because I saw something the other day that had a really similar experience. So I was in the house by myself.

My mom and everyone had gone back to England for like a short holiday. I must have been, I had my moped. So I was probably about 15. Who was 11? I was joking. I was about 15. It was before I met. Liam, I'm sure. And I was in the house by myself, my mum's house is quite scary.

Yeah, it's only because it's so big and like you, anyone can come at you from any direction. Like, it's big. It's not that it's scary, but it's big. Yeah, no, yeah. And I can't remember. I crashed my moped while my mum was away. And I don't know if this happened before or after that happened. But I remember sliding like the big gate across, bringing my moped in, putting it up on top onto like the stand. I don't even know if I closed the gate because I literally remember putting, I must have closed the gate

or I'd buy my moped. Anyway, I, you know when you can tell someone's behind you? That feeling. Yeah. Well, I had a feeling. It's a weird, isn't it? Isn't that weird?

It's weird. Like, you can just tell someone's behind you. Oh, don't. Not like breathing, nothing, just presents. You can just feel. So I had a feeling someone was still behind me. It was a man taller than me. To the point that I was so convinced

that if I turned around, I would have seen something like I felt that like thing it didn't feel like it was a it was an actual person because if it was I would have obviously freaked out more the chance of actually being like attacked by someone but no I felt like it was a spirit it was a man and they stood behind me and I literally was that I just need to get to the house quick but before I went and what freaked me out even more was I felt a hand on my shoulder and it was literally touch my shoulder finger by finger

and then I freaked out and run into the house and then I remember calling my mum and she was like oh I did kind of say to like my cousin keep an eye on you and stuff so I don't know if it was before

or after had my moped accent but if I was driving my moped it must have been it could have been like after because I crushed it before before something but either way she was she was oh I did say you know

for like one of my cousins to like over you I feel like that you know you would you said you would would have freaked out more if it was a real person. You were calmer.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, because a man could have potentially hurt me. I was in a house by myself. A spirit, I suppose, could potentially hurt you if you believe in that. But it was weird because I was freaked out, but like you say, I wasn't, if that had been a real person, yeah, I would have like probably run out of the house,

not into the house. Is that I mean, it's like a weird, I just would have freaked anyway. It's funny because I actually, I was always. watching a Halloween podcast the other day. And they read out a story about this woman and she saw a person so she ran out the room and got loads of people and they come back in. And they'll like, they'll never know

because the window was open, the door was open and things. Was it a spirit or was it a person? Which one would be worse? Isn't it? That's it. I think it would be worse if it was a real person. So that was an actual feeling of an actual spirit. But I have been to psychics who I do believe in psychics.

And I've wrote down here a couple things that they've said. And actually, talking back to seeing and feeling a presence, my mum's actually got a video at my auntie's house, at her auntie's house in Ireland. And I think it was the same cousin, really, that was still behind me because she used to, he grew up really close of my mum and the aunties who used to like go out with them all the time and look after him and stuff. and in the house she was she not long watched or read something and they said like if you think

that there's something there talk to it so she's got a video of herself like actually trying to like make your presence know like if if you're here like do something do and the lights flickering the dogs barking like it's actually like if you watch that there's a reaction yeah for sure this isn't and then all of a sudden everything just stops but for for a good few minutes like while she's encouraging it like the lights are going the TV you know it's just weird but anyway sidekicks um I've been to a couple and there's a few things so soon after I went you scared maybe one of these as well I think yeah I don't know this is so hard to remember all the things that they say but one of them was soon after Liam lost his auntie and

obviously because the psychic that I've gone to I've gone to a couple times so she can potentially know bits about your family but this auntie i don't think was on facebook and i didn't post anything lived and post anything about her passing away and um i went and yeah it was within a couple of weeks maybe a couple of months and she was like oh um tell oh she was like i can see a woman coming through and most of my readings are about like cards and my future and stuff but she said like I've got this woman coming through and she said don't be shy with the spices or something and it's funny because that's what she used to say to like Liam and obviously like she had this joke she come over

for Christmas once and bought loads of food like mutton and everything from England to make it all we went to the beach for Christmas for a couple of hours come back and it nearly burnt so I like was oh my God so she from that day she was like I'm so scared of you like I don't can't burn the food like it was a bit of a joke so like the food is a bit of our connection and obviously she knew that leon would always make it so yeah she she said this woman saying don't be shy with the spices so it's like there's no way for her to have known that um and i remember she kept asking me once about an eptopic pregnancy and the only thing that came to mind at the time was my mum had had one um so then i was thinking like this that was before my

sister so this was ages ago um and then she said i don't know if i realized in the reading or after the reading that a friend of ours had just gone through one um and then she said uh tell them not to worry um like the next time it'll be absolutely fine and it'll be a boy that's 100 percent happened oh my god so yeah that that are the things i think for me that kind of i say prove you know like you shouldn't need the I feel not I don't know it's a weird it's definitely people with gifts yeah it is I do I do as I find it really intriguing I do love listening to people to that things like that you know like

something scare me don't get me wrong um but I do I think I prefer that than the future yeah do you know like the telling you wouldn't like to have the future read I feel like I'd live up by it I feel like I've got that type of personality but then within a day, I completely forget about most of the things that they've said. To the point that some of it's probably come true and I haven't even remembered. Yeah, well, that's the, isn't it? I don't know, because I think that's what's scary to do. But I think it depends what you're going for.

I'm very much happy at where I am. You can tell me what you want to tell me. But there are people that like, you know, if you're desperate to meet someone and then, oh, you're going to meet someone with the letter M. Yeah. And she actually said this to my sister. And then straight after she dated someone with the letter G. and G's very unusual and she did so and she said it to another friend that her sister was

going to meet someone with the letter M and she ended up marrying someone with the letter M. Yeah. So yeah. I think I'll be scared. I think it depends because yeah, you could literally like follow it too much and then you kind of made it happen. Yeah. I think I think I'd be scared of the, you know, like the bad stuff I suppose.

I don't know if they're even allowed to tell you anything like that. I got told once that someone with an, I can't remember what the initial was. There you go. Was going to stab me in the back. Oh, God, did that we're going to say then? Fucking out. Not actual stab me. I know. Yeah.

But like someone was going to, yeah, stab me in the back. So that's technically a bit negative. But yeah, if they're not going to tell you if like, oh, you've got a week to live or something like that, maybe. Yeah. I think that's what I'm scared of. Well, they're never going to say something like that. You know what I mean? But I don't know.

No, it's my, like literally I think of these things in my head. But, no, I do, I think, like you say, when you get good ones, because she can get some that are not. My mum used to go to one loads in England. She was famous for it. I think she passed away. She was quite old. And she did tell my mum that one of her kids would be famous.

Wow. Did she? Yeah. We'll see. Maybe. I think you're the only one who likes to be on camera, don't you? If anything. My brother did want to be an actor for a long time.

But, no, now he's in the ambulance service. So, he could be on the next 9-99-tele. Yeah, he actually did a bit of a... I see that. A horror, like, thing. Oh, no, I thought he got, did that. I was talking about an award. I thought he got an award for something.

Maybe I was wrong. I can't remember. He's done a few little things like that. But no, he definitely wanted to be an actor for a while. Oh, well, then there's still time. You never know. You never know. Probably going to be Jason.

yeah true she actually read case into a tea before i'd even really posted much about case and she was like he's going to be he's very loud i was like yeah yeah he is very loud um she said he is going to be he's very good at writing and at the time he was quite good with numbers yeah but after that he taught himself to read and she was like he's like something to do with that english and writing and and journalism kind of along those lines and i was really good at english i love English. You was because I copied it. Yeah.

I think I would actually like to write a book at one point. I think that would be my jam. That's good. That's a really good thing to do. If not me, maybe Kaysen. Yeah. I like, that's a good, I just don't have. I just probably forget so many things.

I'd write it and then, oh, actually, no, that happened. Should have put that in there. Too much going on. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea, Bill. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know what it be about, but yeah, I can kind of see.

to do it for you yeah that's good yeah we'll do it together um last question to finish what's something that you were or you still are afraid of i think i just said about i was going to say yeah this is we could be here for a while ask you um like obviously like family getting ill and things like that but like outside of that like the typical scary stuff okay uh a little bit dark Of the dark. Of the dark. Don't go dark on me then.

I'm already scared, I'm God's sake. A little bit of the dark. Like if Liam's not home, I'm not a huge fan of like being in the dark. It's probably because I've just watched a crime show. Yeah. So I don't help myself. I'm not a huge lover of heights either.

It wouldn't completely freak me out. And I've done like zip lines and things like that. So, but it definitely makes me nervous. Yeah. Like, you know, like heart racing and stuff. We got to a point, didn't we? was actually, I don't know if I could go any further, any higher. And like, you've skydived.

Yeah. I don't know if I could ever do that. I'd love it the minute I hit the ground, but you know, that, that getting in knowing that I was going to do it, I don't know if I could actually push myself and my mum's really bad with heights. I don't have a fear of height, but I think, as I've said it for it, I feel as I'm getting older, I'm just more fearful. Yeah, that's what I mean, like, even like roller coasters and stuff.

I just think the worst, like, I'm going to get stuck on it, it's going to break. Yeah. I mean that when the kids really want to do it and I just don't want to be negative I'm just like just let them go and do it let them go and do it you know yeah so yeah that's the ones that come to mind immediately

my again like you say take my biggest fear is is death that is my biggest fear not of me of someone else of anyone else yeah anyone else and and the other

the major things of obviously like kidnap and, you know, like, them things are a big, like, thing in my, all the time. Yeah. But going on, I don't. Yeah, I'd say that, actually, because even... That's a big thing, right? Even the other day, Liam was ill, so I went and got him hot and sour soup. And I ran into the supermarket to get some milk as well, and I'm like, you know, like, looking around, like, there's a man over there.

And I don't know why, but my sister's really bad with that, actually. She's so fearful. Oh, so she does really think about it, daily. So I don't know if it's my mum drilled it into us. I'm just, I'm just big, scaredy at now, do you know what I mean? I am, but then obviously I think in the moment I would go back, I don't mean like that, but get me back of like, oh, you know, like sort yourself out and, you know, whatever. Fight for your life.

And things like, like a, what, that skydivist, like I did that. And I am so glad I've done that because now I'd feel a bit like, I don't want to do that. We was going to do a bungee jump not long after. I mean, things happen, health, things happened in between. So it kind of stopped. I think it was that. I think I just got too scared. Yeah.

You know, as I got older. I don't think you would do it now. No, I don't. But I feel like if someone, actually, no, I'm not even going to fucking say that. No, I'm going to fucking say that. Don't even say stupid things like that. You know, like, sometimes I feel like you push your, you know, like, come on. Like if someone booked it for you, you try, but yeah.

Yeah, like, you know, like situation with your kids and you really just want to cry or run or whatever. And you know, you've got to just, right, you can do this. You know, like, you know, either. Even when you say, like, being scared of the dark, you know the kids is when one of them will say, like, oh, can you come with me to the toilet or whatever? You're like, you're fine. It's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's me running through the hallway. That's one behind me. So it's them moments that make, you know, you know, like there's nothing to be scared. And there isn't. That's absolutely nothing. But like you say, I'm, especially in my house, there's a lot of people in my house.

So when there's no one, which is very, very aware. Yeah. The only thing that keeps me calm, the fact that I have animals to produce. me. Not that they probably would. Not one of them animals in your house is going to protect you, not even the dog. But that just won't see fit in a little bit. You're like, I've got company. It's a weird one, isn't it? It's so funny.

I just imagine you walk around your house talking to Zelle. Yeah, so fine. And any ghosts, keep yourself to yourself. I don't want to see you. Thank you. Please don't take me. Oh, funny. Well, yeah, happy Halloween, everyone. Happy Halloween, everyone. Hopefully

you're all having fun tonight. spooky fun, getting the spirit. Good old... It's all a bit of laugh. Yeah, good old Halloween games of Dunkin Apples and the flower thing. Oh, I forgot about, yeah, Duncan Apples. All them games that you... Well, I used to play at certain Halloween parties

and we did on our Halloween party. They're the sort of games that you do at Halloween, I'd say. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, have a good Halloween, everyone, and enjoy Day of the Dead as well. Yes. Yeah. Enjoy everyone and we'll see you next week. Yeah.

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