The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - Is 'Nice' Even a Compliment? Unfiltered Mum Life, Sleep Deprivation & Chaos Control Ep.20

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

Real talk from two mums on sleep struggles, milestone moments, parenting triggers, and why the word nice might actually be an insult. In this week's episode, we dive into the real life chaos from first birthdays and sleepless nights to kids picking at scabs and teens prepping for driving tests. Billie and Charlotte get vulnerable and hilarious as they unpack parenting pressures, growing up, digital scams, and the hot debate: is “Nice” even a compliment anymore?

Welcome, welcome back. Hey, welcome, welcome back. Welcome, welcome back. Let's start this podcast this week. I'm going to brighten over last week. They were a negative last week. Although talking about last week, how's your week been?

Have you implemented any things? No, it's actually got worse. It's actually got worse. Yeah, so we're talking about, yeah, we need to drink more water and make time. Take care of you. Da, da, da, da. Yeah, no. My diary has been absolutely ramo.

I've extended my day to like literally three days in one for me. Yeah, yeah. It's not even like till normal five, six o'clock. Like you got home at like eight o'clock. Yeah, it was late, late the other night. Yeah, so no lunch breaks. No water at all. Yeah, great, great week.

I've been, I was doing water. I must have been. So I started off Monday because I didn't do anything over the weekend. But I was like Monday, I even wrote a list of things to do. Like a check thing. A checklist, a tick list on them. I've got that Mrs Hinch's to-do list checklist thing

that I've had that book since COVID. Oh, well done. Really done. Really used it. Unless it's got thousands of dollars. But it's good because it's got a to-do list with little checkpoints in it. So I was like, right, drink water first thing instead of a cup of tea.

Tick did that. And then it's like, do my face-through tea. Yeah. Eat lunch. Yep. Take the supplement, all those things. Them simple things, but you actually just about a list to check it off to make sure you do it.

I'm more likely going to do it if I've got a checklist. Yes. How did you get on? and to like write it down. So Monday started off good. I did like probably three quarters of it. Tuesday, dropped one or two.

Wednesday, they need to write down. Apart from I have the water instead of cup of tea first thing in the morning. So that I have done every day this week. That's really good. That's probably the best thing. Yeah. Apart from eat lunch too. You should eat lunch.

Eat lunch I've done this week as well because I've had less meeting. So eating lunch and drinking water things. That's the best then. But I haven't done my facial routine. I've not done my Pilates every evening. I've just done it a couple of days. So your facial routine, I just do mine in the morning. I don't know if that's a routine.

I just wash my face. Yeah, if you do every morning. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't because I'll get up and then like I'm with the kids and then ready. And then by the time I finish getting them ready, I'm like jumping into work. So I don't even sometimes do that because at the moment, because of being sleep deprived, me and Liam are tag teaming. So it's like one of us gets up with the kid, the other one stays in bed. So that would be when I wash my face.

You're saying that about being sleep deprived. How did your little plan go trying to... So Hayden watched the podcast last week. Yes. And he thought, oh, poor mum, getting up a six-half-six. Well, that's just not very nice, is it? So I'm going to make her really appreciate six and a half-six. So I'm going to get up at four.

Oh, my goodness. And I'm going to stay wide awake for an entire hour. That's middle of the night, in it? That is, yeah. That's not even like I'm going to just get up. Yeah, that is. that's middle and the night, especially, especially because, like, what was it, the day after or the day after that, you messaged me, like, I went to bed at half 8 and I was like,

oh my God, I just got up. And it was 11. Yeah, after the podcast, we said how tired we yeah. So I was literally, I think I was on the sofa, like, falling asleep. I'd just put both boys to bed. And Leah was, no, Kaysen was still up. Hayden had gone to bed. And he was like, just go to bed. And I was like, I can't go to bed yet. It's weird, isn't it? It's weird. Yeah. Even though I'm literally just going to sit there trying to stay away, He was like, just go to bed So I was like, fine So I actually went to bed at like half eight

I think by the time I'd fell asleep It was about nine o'clock So yeah, but slept Woke up a few times But yeah, not much like went back to sleep Like, yeah, slept the whole way through And then, yeah, Hayden got up I think that morning probably about

545, 6, something like that So I got up with him And it was the weekend So I waited a little bit So it was like 11, half 11 And messaged you like Went to bed at half 8 Like because we were so tired

and then got up at six and then you were like literally just woke up 11 quarter past 11 I know like that's like you went I'm actually still lying in bed I could not believe it myself you know like I thought my clock had

got or something like seriously I could genuinely not believe it myself probably had the same amount of sleep but I just went to bed early and got up early and you went to bed normal and then slept it yeah yeah but that's late for my hat I was going to sleep but then

Lexi was out. Yes, and Morgan would have just chilled. Just chilled himself out. Obviously, Mitch was up. Mitch just a leap past from seven. Yeah, exactly. So he's up. There's usually just things wait.

The sun, the light, just gentle. Hearing everyone says. Yeah, movement just because it's time to get up normally. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was shocked, but yeah. Clearly you needed it. But no, as soon as you replied saying that you literally just woke up, I actually put, we're now not friends.

Yeah, you did not. I wouldn't have, like, jeep her this way around, to be fair. It should be fair. But, no, I can't believe it. Like, I jinxed it. Mown in about six, half six. I'd literally give me half six, and I'd be happy. No, no.

This last week. Two hours before, good, do you? Like, wide awake at four o'clock. Like, shouting. That's middle of the night, that. Yeah, not even, like, not even being able to, like, try and rocking back, like, fighting me, rolling, jumping, shouting, screaming. So that's stuck now?

Or was that, like, a one? No, that's been about three nights. Oh, no. So it's like not even just been a one-off. It's been, yeah. And again, we've done, let him sleep as much as he wanted in the day. We took a nap away. We've done two days now with two naps.

So I'm hoping he sleeps through. But it's like, oh, well, we've had a good week then, haven't we? What about your orders? Any use of it? Any good? No, they're not arrived yet. So my natural deodorant's on its way. I've had it.

I've had an email confirmation. but the other one I've got two or three emails from the natural deodorant thing to say right spin chips it's on this way and ahead of it you receiving it here's what to expect

because they did say I think I mentioned it for the first two to four weeks like you'll find yourself like a bit icky and you just have to get through it because what aerosol does is it blocks your sweat glands

which is why you don't sweat but what natural geodont does is it still allows you to sweat but it makes it smell nicer or something something like that but basically yeah we're blocking our sweat glands which doesn't sound very good anyway so no that's on his way and then I thought well I'm getting loads of emails from this one yeah so I checked my emails for the supplement and I've not had an email confirmation they took the money on my bank

so to be confirmed I may have been scammed That makes, do you know what? You're saying, mate, it's a scam because it reminds me of Mitch. Mitch doesn't really order online or anything like that, book anything online. He's a go-to place and pay for it and that's it. And he, not long ago, he did it on his own, basically, ordered saying for yourself on his own, all on his own and he did it and it was good. It hasn't arrived.

This was like months ago. Oh, no. I think you've been scammed. Oh, no. I really think you've been scammed. Yeah. It is hard. My mum does it a lot.

sends me through things and I'm like yeah that website doesn't look real yeah I'm like yeah Liam's quite good at stuff like that he can see better I just I don't always know how to look but I try and stick to the same thing but saying that I've been blibbing not scammed I've been hacked in everything lately um yeah all my emails and then it was Amazon and then it was you know like all different stuff like it's all connected yeah and then they get hold of you right now they're into everything yeah so that's been a bit hard maybe and then Some of the, obviously, different accounts for, like, the kids' games or then they're separate, trying to work out. Everything has been blocked and locked out.

I can't even get into Amazon now because that's totally been, like, blocked for safety. Rick was scanned and they got her email and stuff. And then she, like, yeah, she's really struggled to get back in. I got hacked. And then Liam managed to quickly get in and kick them out again. That was the social media, wasn't it? That was my social media. Like my emails and...

Yeah, Rick got her emails and then she was worried about her. bank and her phone number and it's a horrible feeling yeah and obviously it happened to Liam's social media for his work and then he couldn't ever get that back because meta's crap and that's years of yeah that's building 12 years content and 14 years of um followings and posts and the worst thing is is that's how everyone contacted him yeah was through Facebook messenger yeah and they didn't like he flagged it so you would think that they would you know and he reached out to them he managed to get hold of someone somehow um and say like here's all the proof this is me here's my idea his you know this is me and they were like okay yeah

we can see all of that but it his facebook got blocked because of they'd hacked his instagram and posted something on instagram which then got banned right and then because it was linked to his Facebook they like everything they shut down they blocked both but but that wasn't him so it wasn't him And even though he proved it was him, exactly. Oh, no, sorry, we can't, Facebook. Oh, no, sorry, we can't because it's Instagram. Yeah, but you own both. Well, you could do the one, you could take me off it.

I don't even want the Instagram. Completely disconnect the Instagram to the Facebook. I just need the Facebook. That's what I mean. It scares me stuff like that because you're in control, but you're not in control. And then when stuff like that happens, it's all digital, isn't it? When stuff like that happens, for me with that hack thing, I just, I know it wasn't. I felt like someone was just watching me all the.

time. I felt like people, oh no they don't, just knew where it was and it just was such a strange feeling. That's what Rick said. She just felt so on edge. Like how much information of mine do you have? What do you have access to? What do I need to change? And how do I change things? And everything was shutting me out

and I was like, this is my stuff. And she had flights coming up and things like that and she was like, well what, like how do they have all of that information and I can't get, I can't even get into my emails to get my confirmation to my bookings and it was horrible. They said me They ordered stuff off Amazon.

Obviously, I managed to cancel people. Liam did that. The people that hacked him spent 400 quid on his PayPal. PayPal instantly refunded it. But it's just that... But for Liam, like I say, all his contacts was through there.

People didn't really WhatsApp him that much. It was all through Facebook Messenger. And then when he flagged it and they were like, basically, oh, sorry, there's nothing we can do about it. The account is still there. Just activated. So people are messaging him and they're just not getting a response. And then when he's not getting a response.

When he, straight away, he created another one, but it's like now there's two. So, nobody knows that the other one would have. It could be missing out on so much work. Oh, 100%. The minute that account got took down. Being professional answering his messages or whatever. 100% he lost loads of, loads of work because of that. Yeah.

And worse, people probably just think he's being ignored. That's what's so risky, isn't it? Because it's some accountability. Yes. It's things like that, isn't it? Yes. Well, these especially big companies. I know.

People don't bother making such a big fuss because they feel like they're not, which we're not going to get anywhere. You fill my thing full of ads that you make me buy. Yeah. And then when I need help, you have no customer service. Yeah. I don't like no customer service. No.

Anyway, how else should the rest you be being? Not much sleep. Yeah. That's been a right killer. And then it just kind of throws you off because you just feel like you've got no energy to do nothing. And then I've got Hayden's birthday tomorrow. Yeah. his first birthday so it's like running on his thing trying to sort everything out but you've got

a first birthday i've got an 18th birthday coming up that's crazy that's that's that's that's that's that's that's mad in it that is mad is actually mad wow yeah that is so yeah mason's um signed him up for his driving car oh yeah lessons so how's it work here then do they have to do so many hours in the classroom right don't they well he can't be in a classroom because he hasn't got to be in a classroom when it sounds stupid he works and he'll be going back to college soon as well so there isn't the time realistically so there now is an option of like a you get a book and then an app um and i suppose you read the book and then you go over like what they call what are they called like mock test yeah um things like that and you just go over that um

oh sorry yeah so he's got to do that first got to do the theory um and then practical I can't remember what he said because I'm not really there yet do you know what I mean in my head I'm like you've got to do the theory first which is in my opinion I have the harder bit yeah yeah yeah I mean

because I did mine in England yeah me too and mine was like a multiple I think that is multiple tests here but just like a multiple test thing and multiple choice that was it I remember I remember reading it

and having to do the same thing reading a book I had a disc a disc to put it in my computer didn't we to do the then to do the... Oh, God, so old.

It was. And then sometimes you have to watch a video or listen to something or something like that. But I remember, I remember doing mine in England like that in theory. From what I remember, there were a few misleading questions as well, but I didn't manage to pass mine first time. Yeah, but some of the questions are just... They say it's common sense, but they're just not put in the best bloody weight.

I feel like they're misleading, yeah. Or like, there's two that's like really similar or slightly different. Yeah, even here when Mason asked you a question, I don't really know, mate. It's hard, isn't it? And it's not the language. If you put any of us in a car, I don't think you'd pass your testes. The way the, exactly.

And probably our practical as well. Yeah, so, well, the practical, I can't, there's probably minimum classes and stuff, to be honest. In England, I know there was, wasn't there? No. I was enough. In England, you could literally go and sit in a car and do your testers today. I only remember because, well, I couldn't drive them, because I remember my granddad paying. I think I had an assessment and then.

they said, you know, I think you can do it in this many classes. And I remember my granddad blessing, paying for my, for my lessons, like 10 lessons. You know what I mean? I remember counting the money out. It's got an envelope that you've got out from, you know, from the way they do at the bank. And then, yeah, giving me that to do my, to do my lessons to our practical. My first practical, I failed. Did you? Yeah. I remember, so, going back to the theory, the theory, I passed first time. Because it's weird. They, you do, for me, you do the test, you're all in a room on computers. you can't whatever do it

and then you just walk out when you finish kind of thing and there was at a desk and no one said no one said anything to me she was just like smiled at me like that old I don't even think she smiled at me I don't even know just no one really said anything of what I must put do I just sit here and wait do I get called back into the room like what happens and obviously then now I know what I was happening

something was printing out and she just gave me the paper and I was like oh okay but I didn't read the paper and she was like read the paper and I was like and then it says oh congratulations you have passed and I was oh okay I remember going out of the theory building and I think I was getting picked up by, I don't know, a family member at the time. And I remember sitting there thinking, oh, I've got no one to talk to. I feel like I just want to go in the street.

Like, I'm just perfect, you know what I think. You feel like a proper adult at that point, though. And it was my sister actually. And then she arrived and I was like, there was no one else around though. And I walked out that building, you know, like you're looking for somebody just to like, yeah, that's the past, you know. Well, normally, whenever you've opened important information like that, like it's normally up to that point school results and you do it all together.

Yeah, the don'ts, so. Yeah, well, I never got to that point, but, um, oh, that's true. Sorry. I'm probably not going to be that. That was the only thing I had and nobody was. That was the first time you got the pass and something. And then my practical, I, the first one, I remember going out, out of the building and they look in, they point into the saying read out the registration.

Yes, yeah. Fine, smash that. Such an easy thing to do. But I felt like I was like smashing it, don't know what I mean? Got in the car, so nervous. So, so nervous. I remember. And I wasn't confident, like, driver. It's not like

a new way to drive. Yeah. And I remember, so the one, well, I know why I found the first one because I got to a roundabout and some boy racer literally flew across the roundabout when I was going to go. And instead of just

holding my call and just carrying on, I was at you know, like this out of the thing and then obviously he says you cannot react like that. Why? He does it. Yeah. And then, oh God, I'm actually, I am going to tell you, but it is quite embarrassing now. I don't know how he held. I know if I've told you this, I don't know if I've said this story before, but anyway, I'm going to say it again. I was in the car and he said, the windows were steaming up and he said about, can you clear the windows?

Well, obviously, now I know when the windows steam up, there's a button isn't there, open your window, maybe, or there's a button isn't there that helps you to clear your windows. No, no, no, no. I thought he was like catching me out. And I didn't know all these buttons. I don't think I have no one was ever showing. me in my test. I wouldn't have known what to do in that. No. So I look down and I see a cloth in the door like the little thing. I was like I've got it. So I pulled over Bill. I've pulled the car over. Got the cloth out started wiping down all the windows. I even got out

of the car. Open the boot and like, it was like this like wiping all the back window. How he did not piss himself laughing. I'm telling you. I would have cried. Look at me. Bill. I was so confident. you don't even know how confident I was. Seriously.

I was bowling around that car with that cloth. Seriously. Got back in the car, put the cloth in. By this time, the front's already back steamed up. Do you know what I mean? By the time I've come back,

he's steamed up. Got in the car and I'm thinking, oh, I've done it. Then Karen, I can't really see anything anyway, Karen and driving. And then obviously he's open, his windows,

they'll be able to just see. And he said, take, take, just go back. Just go back. Yeah, didn't pass that one. He thought this woman can not go in a car.

Ever, I don't know. Because I could just picture, like, your cockiness at that age. Yes. I got this. Yeah. Literally just turn 18. Like, I've got it. I don't even need it.

I don't even need any, ma'clock. Oh, my God. Just give me the car. Yeah, I was so confident. Yeah. Seriously, though, if I was the driving instructor, no, yeah, instructor. How they keep a straight face. Yeah, seriously, I would have been absolutely crying, like, crying.

Like, crying. Like, what that? What are you doing? Get back in the car. Do you know what I mean? Even just like in the front one. It's tearing. I don't know.

I probably thought what did she doing? You've actually probably thought of hot the fucking she is. Yeah. Yeah. That's my experience. No one else who could get any worse than that, can it? So I passed it the second time. Yeah.

Yeah, it was good. Passed it the second time and that was it. So I did a crash course where like all in the space of a week, I went out for like four hours driving every day. Yeah. Which is quite a lot. Yeah. I think my driving structure is a bit of a perv as well.

I think of it back. I was with in between us actually. Oh, God. But no, like, thinking back. Did you actually partial to spill? I definitely did first time. But you know, like, little things, like, he would obviously be sat there and he's explaining something to me.

So rather than just explain it, he would, like, he got his pen and he'd put it on my leg. And, like, you know where it's like, why do you need to do that there? This is too far, but it's always. But also, it's not bad. It's not, yeah, at that age, I didn't feel like you could say it to someone older, whereas now I would absolutely be like, excuse me, yeah.

Personal space. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, was he just really overly friendly? Do you know what I mean? Exactly. Who knows? There wasn't really anything else that stands out, apart from that.

Yeah. That was a bit too touchy feeling. But yeah, no, apart from that, um, yeah, I passed first time. I nearly failed, though, the first time, because you can, you get minors and you get majors, don't you? So I did nothing major

But if you get four or five minus In the same category It's a major And then you fail So I nearly done it for speeding Oh, Bill He was distract speed in England You can only go like 10 miles an hour

You can only go to 10 miles an hour You can walk fast Golly was fucking distracting So my instructor They should be quiet right And just direct you And you just focus on what you're doing Like you're a new driver

Whether you've done loads of lessons or not I need to concentrate Like, I need to concentrate. So... I think he asked me a few questions at the beginning, like maybe just to calm my nerves of it, which was nice. But he asked me something about what I was doing at college.

So I said I was doing like Spanish and law and things. And he went, oh, Spanish. And then we started talking about... And obviously I'd lived in Spain at that point because I lived here. I went back to England for a little bit, which is why I did my driving back there. And then anyway, he's talking and then I'm like chatting away

because I'm nervous. And then like... And he's done you for speeding? Yeah, four. minors I think I had for speeding. I think it was the only miners I got in the whole thing and I was getting up to speed and then I was clocking it and then having to bring it back down because

he was distracting me. Right, so don't talk to you with her because we'll go way too far. Yeah, exactly. Well, do you remember, like, even when you're pregnant, it's like, Bill, there's a bat! Ah! Wait, hell! I'm sorry! Back in the day when I was a moped.

coming out. Oh God, but no, yeah, I did... Yeah, so Mason's got his coming up. Hopefully he has a nice, smooth run. Yeah, I'm sure he will, because, like, saying, I think it helped, like, having a moped. Yeah, it certainly helped. Whether it helps you pass, maybe not.

No, that, no, because it's just the way, isn't it? Yeah, you've got to, I don't mean it, you've got to learn the way. Yeah. Do I mean? Just learn the way, do the test. And learn, you know, and your drive, obviously, you drive. I think the safest thing about driving is when, like, you can predict other people's stupid mistakes. Like, knowing the people in Spain gone the outside all the way around the roundabout. So, you wait.

Every time you wait. Yeah, I do exactly the same thing. It's like, if you don't. Why are you mate? And I'm like, because otherwise someone's going to take me out because they will. They will. And then I go, me, me, me. And I'm quite, because it makes sense.

So it's like actually being aware. Yes. Yes. Is what's probably kept me safe. Yeah. I think you're right, actually, because I always... Because I could be a great driver. Yeah, but it's other people.

I say that. That. That. You literally said it out by now. Every time we talk to Mason, obviously, because he's on a bike. Always say, it's not you, mate. It's other people. And I remember my mum and dad drilling that into me when I was... It's not you.

Yeah. We trust you. Yeah. It's other people. And it is, yeah. Absolutely. And even I remember soon after my sister passed her test, she was saying like

there's so many things I have to think about and like people right up my ass and my dad was like don't care about who's behind you care about who's in front of you because it's different like when you go from a moped but when you go to a car

like someone hits you from behind it's their problem because they're too close yeah but it's still a risk of a crash but you're right I do the same even when you're on that road that gets busy all the time and you know you have to whack your hazards on

don't you to make sure that they're slowing down behind you. That, I just do it anyway, because I just think people, sometimes you're not, you know what I mean? Yeah. And then that's it. Do-da-da-da. I always have a vision of it. But which way would I go?

Is it safer to go into, but then the cars are coming that way? Or is it safe to go off, but no, from on the bridge. Because then I'm just going to go off the bridge. This is me obviously way over thinking this is never going to happen. I do that, it's always, it's always, it's, but that happened to my mom. She had quite a bad crash with, I wasn't in the car, but I think Rick was, and I think even maybe Connor or Rick's friend, they were on like a curve of a motorway as well

so cars would go in like 80, 90 miles an hour and she saw it coming because the car behind obviously hadn't seen that everything in front had stopped and like yeah, it's like waiting for the impact. God, that's horrible. And I got rear-ended when I was pregnant with Hayden. But what?

Oh, rear-ended, I didn't know what you said that. Rear-ended, but it wasn't a bad one but it was literally just outside the plaza. The car in front of me had just like slammed on its brakes and started to reverse to catch a space so I've obviously stopped quite you know abruptly

and I could see the car behind me she wasn't looking and I was literally waiting for it so I let go of the brake so it wasn't like too much of a slam and she bumped me I didn't get mark on my car her whole bonnet was dented

I'm like oh I should have really shouldn't I well I carried on to my apartment I'd say that I probably wouldn't yeah but no yeah so that That's Mason, Morgan, Morgan's leaving, is going to the secondary school. Yeah, yeah, that's weird.

That does feel like a big change when you, that's weird. Because it's like, you're the oldest of like the school and like you've got all your friends and you're used to the school, you're used to the teachers, that everything's easy. It's been years. And then like. You start in life. Remember they start three here? Yeah. And yeah, because they don't tend to change schools from the infants to the primary. I know everyone knows everyone they're all, yeah, it's, yeah. Although the teachers do change quite, like, you know, but no, he's had like to school, the environment, like you're just comfortable, aren't you?

Yeah, yeah. So that is a big change. It was only, it's only, I'm only sounding like that because he literally, he said to me today, oh, I've got like butterflies in my, style, he started to get butterflies. And I was like, why? Anyway, because my birthday, I was like, oh, yeah, he goes, and I don't want to leave school, oh, yeah, you know, just, I remember that feeling of, yeah, I remember being his age because at that age.

I don't want to grow up in a way. Yeah. And your friends are everything at that age as well. And I remember I was finishing junior school, bearing of mind the same thing, having spent four years in that school, because in England your infants is separate to junior school. So I'd done four years at this school.

And we were all going to secondary school. And I knew like 95% of that school was going to one secondary school and I was going to a different one. Well, this is a little bit like, over. Yeah, I was a bit like, oh, not only is it like we're leaving but like actually I'm leaving

leaving, leaving. Yes, yes. That everyday thing because school turns into just I don't know it's like seeing your mates doesn't it? Yeah, that's a big part of it. Yeah, it is. It's huge. So yeah, going into secondary I remember being petrified

going into secondary school, to be fair. I wouldn't, that's it, I don't think. No, yeah, I think you're all grown up but then to cry. Especially because you walking at the youngest and how self-conscious are you at that age? And then you walk in and there's all these, like, older teenagers.

And they're waiting for you. They are waiting for fresh meat kind of thing. I mean, help that we were with girls in a way, I think, to be fair. But, you know, just that. And I didn't feel maybe because, I don't know, because I've always been very mature, but I don't know. I didn't have that, like, cocky, like, rudeness to me. No, I don't think I didn't do.

So, like, going in, and I feel like everybody else was. Yeah, like animals. Yeah. And I was just a sweet little gawk. girl and they would put me in a zoo like please mommy get me out that's exactly how i felt going into secondary school and going into my first spanish school that's exactly how i felt i think i even told my mom it's like a zoo like they don't listen to the teachers at that class watching everyone yeah no spanish school was even worse but um no that that's a big change because like you say

you then go to being the youngest being insecure like not knowing things not knowing even like like the school building even like it's a huge secondary school just everything about it so yeah that's a big change so excited it is and I want to make the most of the summer because I feel like I've felt especially Mason and my experiences is that's where Mason's changed and grown up the most in the summer it's such a strange thing of like oh you know that that change between that's weird because I would have thought that the summer like stools it

because you don't really do much I don't know maybe because it's like I don't know It just feels like they go back and they're just so much more older. You know what I mean? And I know they're in a year, like an older class. I want to call it. I know. I'll get that. They are.

And they are old. I'll get that too. But they just, they're just seeing so much more. You see the development. Yeah. And yeah, so I just want to hold on to that.

And I think he does two blessings. That's nice. And he's got his birthday coming up with his friends, which is really nice. I still want to make sure that that keeps, you know, as much as they want to keep going on and celebrating. So we've got literally all that coming up. You've got obviously your spirit week. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah.

Kayson, actually, I picked him up from school the other day, and I don't tend to do that much anymore, which is funny because, like, his whole time at infants, so for three years, I dropped him off and picked him up because I would drop him off on my way out to work. Yeah. Generally around, like, the time he finished school, I'd be heading back from appointments out

to then go to home to do meetings and stuff like that and do the rest from home. So I spend years taking him and picking him up to then the minute I had Hayden, not because my job changed. changed as well and then obviously we've got the baby so Liam now does it all so on the odd chance where I don't have a meeting I'll take like my lunch break at that time and then you realise

and take him and then he was like oh it's a nice surprise and I actually took Hayden as well because we're trying to keep him awake trying to drop that nap and so I took it with me and he was like oh that's a nice surprise and then he was like I'd like if all of you came so I was like right the last day of school

that's it we'll all uh well that's it and we I was felt a bit like that That's why I try, I take mine in the morning and then Mitch picks them up. But yeah, and try to, obviously, what, we're always at all the different shows and whatever else. But it's, I thought that the other day, Friday is probably the only day now before they, which is tomorrow, is the only day now before they, like he finishes that I can actually take him and pick him up. like of this school do I mean

and just that really hit me like oh my God just that feeling it's just like oh yeah yeah I remember the parents telling me about it but I've still got

still got another little one you know what I mean but yeah it's a really really strange feeling it's exciting at the same time yeah but it's just someone messaged me

and was like it's strange like oh you're emotional of Hayden's first birthday and I'm like I don't know if it's just not hit me yet because it's tomorrow

yes but Not really. And I feel like I was more with Kaysen, whereas I feel like I'm, I'm wishing a little bit of it away. Like, it's gone so fast. But I think because, you know, he's much more hard work than Kaysen was and he's crawling at the moment. So he's into everything. And, like, sometimes him and Kaysen play lovely. And then sometimes Kaysen wants to play with his Legos and Hayden's trying to eat it. So it's like trying to then keep him occupied. And then he's, he just does not play with toys. No. He's just not interested in toys or whatsoever. He's got a room full of everything. And he just wants, yeah, as long as the hallway door's open, he's gone. So it's like you're just constantly chasing him at the moment.

So I feel like I'm wishing a little bit of it away. Yes, yes. Which then I want to. Which is a shame, but we all go through that, you know. Yeah. We all go through it. But I think everyone. Yes.

Even when people, you know, you see these, whatever they are, people say it's something. And I know, I get it, right? But they're doing my fucking ed in today, okay? So no. They are little shit. So, and there was yesterday and they're probably going to be it tomorrow and that's that. And I love them and I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't want any different, but I'm allowed to complain. Yeah, you do, you do get these moments.

Yeah. And I think, you go to bedding, you know, they're asleep and everyone's quiet and then you're like, oh, you know, oh, I just love you so much. Oh, why do I think these things of you and they'll, you know, it's literally the cycle, literally. Yeah, it is, it's tough because, yeah. And. And where, oh, I said. about it early didn't I about with um with hayden well just for example with hayden turning one and then obviously i felt with mine when the young when you've got the youngest there you've been so focused on

kind of their milestones or not necessarily but because they're the youngest yeah and then all the thing you turn to your your next your your oldest one and you think oh my god like oh yeah you know how much you've grown up like yeah it's i do do that like say because they have the when you're that small there's a lot of milestones like like you know weaning them off their bottle sleeping through the night starting to crawl like there's loads of things that happen in all at the same time um and not that you forget casein but yeah it's like all of a sudden i just like he asked me to play with his legos the other day and i tried to sit down with him and then the baby's climbing up the chair yeah so i went

let me put him to bed yeah and then i'll play buse tonight so i did that and we sat for like 45 minutes playing with his Lego and then like just looking at him and like the way he's talking and the words he's using i'm like yeah Yeah, what, my big boy, especially all the words from Minecraft. Yeah, but he, yeah, he does, anyway. He was showing me the other day, I think, and I was like, what, what? Not just the names of material, even the words he uses, like, um, oh, I can't think of examples now, but, you know, like, um, so the, the, the response to this is,

yeah, and just the simplest of, um, the, the reaction, you know, I mean, they're even quite basic words, but some of the words, correspond. and words I'm like how where and how yeah and that you use them in the correct and he's using it in that yeah exactly talking of word you should share with the everybody about you and Liam oh the debate yes the debate yes so because you you've just I haven't answered it but you've asked me it so yes exactly so the debate is nice a compliment no Thank you.

I thought I think of you asked me about, actually or not. No. No. So, right, let me give you context. Right. Miss Morgan told me no. Yeah. That's literally it.

Well, I thought that the same thing happened to me in English class, our English teacher, Eliminar, I thought she'd give me that feedback on some work that I've done. And it's always stuck with me. She was like, nice isn't a good word. It's not a descriptive word. Like, it's rubbish. Don't use the word nice. I don't want it in any of your work. Yeah, literally.

So it's really drilled into it. Yeah. And I've never used it. nice. And even when I've text, even when I've emailed, I delete it and I think of another word. Exactly. So I don't tend to use the word nice very much. No, not. Maybe the odd time. Yeah. Oh, that's nice in passing. Yeah. And but then again, if someone asked me something and if I used it, like, oh yeah, that's nice. But actually, then I'd probably change it. Oh, yeah, that's lovely. Because I just don't feel I should use nice. It's better than nice. So if I'm using

nice, I don't really like it probably. Yeah. Or I'm not bothered by it in a way. Yeah. Like, it's okay it's nice yeah exactly that's like okay that is how i feel about the word nice yeah and i thought it was just me but then as soon as i said nice you were like english class and i was like oh my god yeah so probably everyone that went to elimnair that had miss morgan does not like the word nice so uh leum thought he was giving me a lovely compliment by calling me nice and i went clearly backfire i went nice what do you mean nice and he was like he literally thought he was speaking another language he was like what Which he choked, like, what?

He went, I'm, I'm complimenting you? Yeah, and I went, no, you're not. That's not a compliment. That's what I said. That's not a compliment. And he went, oh my God, you're acting like I just called you ugly. And I'm like, well, you might as well have. And he's absolutely complex.

Yeah, he's got, yeah, gobsmats by that. I understand where I'm coming from. No, I get you. I completely get you. And maybe for the same reasons, like we said, it clearly must be a school thing for us, maybe drilled into. Is it? I don't know.

I don't think you'll have to let us know what do you think of the word nice but I think in the way it was asked as well the fact that you asked him a question no you asked him no so how it came about was I was making a bottle before bed for the baby with formula and I just said something like in it weird that I never actually used my boobs for what they're for I'm never breastfed and then he was like laughed or whatever and then I think I was like well at least they're like still intact kind of thing or whatever it was and then he was like well at least you attracted me with them or something like whatever it was yeah um or like they're still nice and i was like it was going well it was literally going well until that you were crying but no nice no don't no nice take it back nice yeah no it's almost like an insult yeah i i i feel like you use the word nice when actually you don't really like something yeah i think And I think in, yeah, he's... Especially in the way that you're going to look.

And I think in that conversation, he's going to literally kill us with it. We're literally digging him right out. And he's going to just cut it out. He hasn't done it. I'm hoping you got nice to. It's a great. It's your word.

And I might take it. No, it is he not? No. No. Bangin. That's what you want to use. That's what I said. I went banging. Amazing.

Even great. Yeah. Any of those words acceptable. You call your mom nice. Like, you know, like a food nice, a smell nice. Not your white boots. Like, come on. Like, if it had been like, oh, do you like my socks, my slippers, nice, fine.

Not my body parts. No, yeah. I think, yeah, just, I think it's, yeah, I think you're right. I completely get that. I think on a question, no. Yeah. That's my answer. We'll just go in on that.

100%. Like, I feel like that's so black and white obvious. Yeah. I think, to be fair, I probably have had literally. same reaction as something with my not mason not mason especially not mason sorry uh sorry mason uh we admit um they're all ms are right um is that that he's probably i've asked him something maybe like my hair oh do you like my hair because i've got it done yeah it's nice nice would you mean nice and then obviously i'd get like all stropped and yeah 100%

i did that same thing why didn't you use that first time exactly Lovely, wonderful, beautiful. There's so many more words. Even fresh, I'd take fresh. I'd take fresh. Not nice. God, a cup of tea is nice. Yeah, their biscuits are nice. They've actually got it on the front of them.

So, yeah, Liam, take note. Any other descriptive word. Lock that door, don't land back in. Not nice. But nice is not a compliment. No, I know, especially what in that. In that context. Yeah.

That'd be it. You're not going near these. nice babies. I've seen these nice things to myself. Oh, cool your thing nice. Exactly. Do you want me to call your thing nice? Because it's not nice, actually.

They're horrible. They're ugly. That's another thing. That's another thing. They're not. They're ugly. Don't send me them. That ugly, okay?

They are. Sorry. I love you and it. But they're ugly, okay? I've spoke to, like, friends that have, like, been dating or seeing people and then they get sent like dickpicks and it's like do you actually think that's like

girls like that? Yeah that would make me, oh that makes me go all weird that actually don't that's not going to not stop. That is a pure it. That really is. If I was starting to date someone and they sent me a picture I'd be like that would actually be blocked

most good we've been with the same one from you but we're right like the other way around I think like women's bodies are attractive like in terms of like lingerie and stuff like that like that I can appreciate a photo but of that no no no no no

send me a picture of you yeah but not on that yeah I'm talking like we're dating don't send me any pictures babe I'm not seeing that I don't want them I definitely don't call it nice oh god Mitch is the opposite

Mitch does things like when he's doing the house doing the dishes doing the vacuum and the hoovering trying to turn you on I've seen that on TikTok like

like yeah the guys take a photo to themselves yeah and then it's like the girls getting all flustered

like oh he's doing this you're having to that is literally miss if you want to turn me on unloading the dish washer too chores

hanging out of the washing oh thanks I love it yeah that I appreciate One other thing which you may have had with your kids Which if you have, please help me Help me

I don't know what to do Kaysen is picking every little tiny bump Cut mole off of his body Oh a mole! He's actually had like a little mole on his chest Which he can't clearly see And he's picked it thinking it was like a scab And he's like nearly made it infected

Oh, see, when you said that... Like, if he has a scab or scratch, he'll pick that. Which, to be fair, I was going to say, if you know when things are healing, it can itch sometimes, or they kind of just mess with them, don't they? Because he's there. He's literally picking scabs off every single day.

He's not even allowing it a chance to hear that. So he's kind of finding... He's kind of finding stuff that's not so. It's not like a scratch that's already there, so then he'll pick it. But, like, this mole was not even a little bump. Yeah, wasn't itching. That's what I mean. So it was just finding stuff.

And he picked it completely off. Now, you're going to say, put plaster on it. I've covered him in plasters. But obviously at some point in the day, at school, bath time, it comes off, I put it on, you go to bed, he wakes up without it on. And to the point that the one on his chest, like, he had sores around on his skin because I'd put so many pastures on him, like again and again and again, the skin wasn't having a chance to breathe because he's picking it. And it's not just in bed, the kind of thing. It's all going, like, just the whole day it's full. Oh, okay, yeah. Like, for

example I can't monitor him at school I catch him all the time like it'll be sat in the bath picking it'll be sat on the sofa pick it so he'll stop and literally sometimes I can say stop and I'll watch him and then he'll go back to like whatever he's doing watching TV watching his iPad and he'll start and he doesn't even know he's doing it yeah so now it's become more of a habit yeah which if it's a scratch is it like a subconscious thing yeah isn't it it's like it's a bit if it's a scrap a cut because like you say when it's healing or something different but like you say he's actually finding things but he's not letting him heal now either no because he's going again and again and again to the point that a little tiny scratch ends up

like a big saw and now he's or scar he's getting scars yeah i'm gonna say it's scar but apart from plastering him i don't i don't know i actually couldn't i don't know i could you know i tell you why because mason's 18 i said i haven't got this one mason like goes like this is knuckles i think it's from playing on a game i think or like a a nervous thing i don't know he's not really a nervous person but you know what i mean i don't know it could could have started um now it's a habit i think in that i think he has done it from quite young i've noticed in doing that yeah he has done it quite young but um yeah this he's got like this scarred skin really because he's constantly well it starts off for something and then it turns

into a habit and then you can't stop doing it yeah so i actually i don't i've i've put stuff on it before because the only thing i could do with the nails obviously you put stuff on the nails, which helped. He started fighting his nails as well. That does help. But they've probably just, Mitch was like, it ruined your day. That it literally, because he's at to have it on before. But the thing is, if you then eat something, obviously with your hands, for example.

And then it goes in, you can't get that taste out your mouth. So he's like, literally just, that's strong, yeah. So that's the only, he'd kill me if I did that to him. It puts them off even letting me put it on them now. Like literally, and, you know, you can't. You feel like you can't even touch things. Yeah. Rather than just.

let alone just put it, you can't even do anything, you know? But no, I don't know about that scab one actually. I'm a bit of a picker as well, but like, now you're making me find stuff on this. Making me feel. I'm a bit of a picker, so I get it, but like, when it gets to the point where he's like, it's borderline, like, infected and getting, like, bigger than it originally started, like, now, like, said to him, now I'm serious. Now I really mean it.

Yeah, because it stop. Yeah. It can, it could cause something really quite severe. I said to him, I'm like, you're going to end up in hospital. Yeah, you end up chopping your arm off. I mean, I'm not quite gone that far to threaten him. But, like, you're going to end up needing probably an injection or something because if it's going to get infected, you could end up, like, getting...

And not having that habit of knowing that things have got heal. Yeah. But also don't mess stuff. Because one, I don't actually want it to get infected and him maybe have, like, sepsis or something, which is deadly. Like, things can happen. But more so, like, I don't want his body to be covered in scars while the time he gets older. Of things that really unnecessary, you know what I mean?

Boys being boys and they cut a ball over. over and cut you have obviously no no yeah no I couldn't I don't know on that one if anyone else would know I actually I don't know you know that's a hard one it is hard because like say plasters just don't cut it you can't and I can't watch 24-7 that's what I mean it's not it's a control how do you and like for example at the moment he's got one on his knuckle I can't plaster his knuckle because it just peels off I said to him I got very close there I'm going to band you completely up yeah literally put him like a mummy yeah yeah I'm I might have to. I might have to threaten to bandage him,

especially when he's not going to go out of school. I might have to bandage him. I'm going to go around. He's going to be sick. And sometimes he's got three or four at a time. So, like, and Hayden, like, send the tape to the wall or something. I'm done. Bad enough of you both. So, yeah, I might have to, if he doesn't pay attention, I might have to bandage him just for the experience and see if that freaks him out.

Because they have it, I was getting with eczema. That's why. They have special clothes and they have, like, mittens, don't they? But that's usually when they go to bed because when they're sleeping, it's that thing. Obviously, this is different. Yeah, because that girl from Tawi, Sam Fetters, she's got a thing where she pulls her eyelashes out. Oh, I used to do that. But it wasn't because I had a thing.

It's because I used to wear lashes. So I used to get the lashes put on, the individual lashes put on. And then you sit picking them on. No, not just sitting there in my sleep. Oh, in sleep. So I'd wake up, shit myself in the morning, by the way, because there's all, obviously, wake up and there's all these black things, you know, like, I thought, oh, I'm both. Yeah, obviously at first. I mean, how I am. But yeah, so in the night, I was obviously doing it. But obviously, because they shouldn't be pulled out like that. I was pulling my own out. Yeah, when they're quite freshly done, you pull your eye now. And that's when the girl was like, I'm not doing you anymore. She was like, I refuse because you're ruining your eyelashes. Do you know what I mean? They're just, you're pulling your own out. Yeah, no, she's got, um. Oh, wow.

Wow, I didn't realize that was the thing I've actually pulled at your own. Yeah, I think she's gone to like therapy, hypnotherapy, stuff to try it because it's while you're asleep as well so you can't even try and tackle it in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when you said gloves, that reminded me, I'm sure when she had like a TV show, she talked about it and she had like gloves that she'd have to lock on or something when she's, I don't know if she's sorted it now. That's mad, though, for years. That's why she always wore, I think she's better now. I'm just trying to think about a photo. She's a bit more natural now, but in the Towie days, she'd always have fake eyelashes off because she would have no.

It has no eyelashes. Yeah, so I just get lash lifts now. Yeah. I don't. I haven't recently. I haven't anything recently, but I had to pluck my own eyebrows the other day. Oh, God. I haven't had.

Wow, that's a lot for you. I know. I have to put socks on because my toes aren't done. But we have to wear sandals. It's 40 degrees outside. I know, yeah. I've dug mine out. So, yeah, I feel like I need a pedicure.

I need it in myself, but I need a proper. That's one treatment I do enjoy getting is a pedicure. I can't be bothered to go get eyelashes. No, I'll get lifts because it's easier for me Just to not have to do anything And to be fair, I work, though It's the only thing you can see of it. You get your eyebrows done as well

So it makes sense As you're getting your eyebrows Waxed Yeah, you get your eyebrows And then your lashes done at the same time Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly So yeah, I had to pluck them the other day God knows what you're thinking of them

When I'll have a way back You've touched them! How dare you? I could literally feel my patient She's looking at my huge eyebrows It was like, you need to go and get your done right one thing I did read that I wanted to share

because we spoke a lot about just the mental load of being a mom and now and all the differences that we have to think about when we parent to our parents parenting us yes because of the change in the world it has been a big change yeah exactly with like the internet and social media and stuff and I read the millennial parents

so our generation of parents we are millennial parents as the first generation to heal from their childhood trauma while they're actually raising their own kids and that results in more emotionally intelligent children but also exhausted parents. I was just about, I was literally just about thinking, yeah, right. Yeah, so if you're wondering why you're feeling it harder.

Pat on the back, guys, we're breaking cycle. Yeah, we are. Yeah, I can get that. Yeah. Yeah, I can actually. Because if you think about it, especially like, you can probably think about it in your own family, in your own friends, TV,

shows, everything that kind of watch. Like, yeah, like grandparents and their parents, they're like, oh yeah, my dad was like that and do-da-da-da. Yeah, like, that definitely seemed to trickle on for like a long time. And then I feel like our parents maybe maybe changed a few things,

but I don't feel like they fully healed themselves or even knew what they even knew that they had child trauma, some of them. Some of them obviously would have known, but some of them I don't think were even aware of. Because a lot of times told to get on with it anyway. Yeah, like, boys, don't cry, get up off the floor, like that toxic masculinity. Like, that wasn't a thing.

Nobody even knew that was, you know, a thing. But that is a bit of trauma. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That boys have to go through. So, no, we are the first to actually try and parent, not completely differently, but take a lot into consideration. What was this like a, what was it on? Like an article, like a, it's obviously an investigation, but you know what I mean?

Yeah. What's the word? You know what I mean, research. Research, like a thing, yeah. Yeah, no, it's, um, it was something like that. Oh, wow. So it's real. Yeah, no, it's definitely real.

They've, they've analysed it. And as a result, we have more emotionally intelligent children. Um, because I feel like, definitely in my household, like, whenever there was stuff going on, it wasn't shared with us, but like, you could feel it. Yeah. You know, like, if there was arguments, if there was stress, if there was, you know, whatever it was, family members not talking to each other or, you know, you know, money, stress, whatever it was.

Like, you could feel that your parents were stressed, but they, you know, everything's fine. Yeah. We're all good. Like, yeah. I feel like there was too much of a divide in between what our parents go through and then your kids. I also think some parents overshare. That's true.

Yeah. I do think some parents overshare and the fact of, of there's adult stuff and there's child stuff. Yeah, I don't think you should overshare, but in that situation, if our parents had gone... I'm just talking. You know what? Like, we disagree, but, you know,

I've listened to it. I don't agree, and we're going to move on. Like, because otherwise, you raise kids who don't know how to have a conversation with someone who doesn't have the same opinion as them. Or, you know, someone's cut you up. That's really irritated, but I'm going to let it go. You know, like, you raise kids who don't know how to navigate the bad stuff,

because they've never been shared how to do that. Yeah. To be fair, I try to, yeah, I, yeah, our household does actually try to talk over. Yeah. Like you say, you shouldn't go into details about money stress with children. They shouldn't know that. I was just say, with the right way with the right child.

Obviously, if it's a family chat, then it's different. We obviously, you know, pick and choose how we explain or talk about what we're talking about. Because obviously, you know, sometimes we'll have a word with Mason differently. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's a bit older. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, but I think, I think you write actually.

Yeah, when you say that, yeah. We are a bit, yeah. I was the youngest, so I think in my house, I think if anything, I was probably more, say sheltered. Let's maybe say that word. Do you know what I mean, of stuff of because I was the youngest, you know? Yeah. But yeah, I do sometimes feel like, although I don't want my children ever stressing about that because I'm stressing about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You just need to, like you say, have a chat about them just to know that... Yeah. You just need to say, like, oh, I've had a really bad day at work, but I'm going to... This is how I'm going to deal with it. You don't have to go into what's happened, but you could just be like, I've had not a very good day, but this is how I'm going to handle it

and this is how I'm going to make myself feel better. So that when they have a bad day, they're like, oh, what did mum do? Right, yeah, she decided to have a shower and put some music on, whatever it is. I wouldn't have done that. Yeah, whatever. Like, in that situation, she did this.

And then she did this. in the situation. Yeah. Like, so that they have something. Yeah. Or they can learn from and not do that stuff. Yeah. Exactly.

That's not the best way to do with it, Mum. Really? Exactly. No, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a nice one to finish on that is actually. Yeah. Yeah.

We're doing all right. Yeah. Yeah, we're doing it. I hope so anyway. Well, I think that's another thing that I always hear that, like, because I always thinking, am I doing my best? You know, am I going to raise an adult who's going to be someone's husband and father someday like is he going to be a you know we come across adults in our day life and you

you think god what happened to you yeah and you know the older i've got the more i realize it's not just oh you're an asshole it's i wonder i wonder who hurt you yeah you know you start to think a little bit more like hurt people hurt people like an adult who throws their toys out of their pram is because you know this happened to them when they were a child they weren't listened to or people pleasing i feel like i'm a bit of a people pleaser because you know i grew up in a bit of a chaotic household there was four of us we were very close in age there was a lot going on and I was the oldest so I was always like I'll make if I'm good and make everything as easy as possible then you know people won't be stressed and it won't you know will be less chaotic yeah yeah so I am a bit

of people please that because of that is how I coped so again had no idea until I'd seen things about you know psychology and little things like that as you get all you think huh that's probably I'm not bother things I'm the youngest now I was going to say and I'm the eldest daughter so when you look her eldest daughter traits tends to be me to a tee exactly those things and my mum's an eldest daughter as well so I think that's even

more so because I've seen her and how she acts and like you're always the strong one and you just deal with it and nothing kind of bog you I'm fine I don't need any help I'll just get on with it you know keep everyone else happy put your needs after everybody else those kind of things clearly I saw it and then I'm the eldest daughter as well

so you kind of model it but yeah I think that was what I was getting to is the thing that I've heard is if you worry if you're a good parent you're a good parent because you're worrying that you're a good parent because you care. Yeah. I do say that to mine. I'm not saying it to be annoying. Okay, I'm saying it because I care. Can you imagine me not, can you imagine having a mum of dad that didn't care? That's what I say.

Yeah, but I don't. They see that because even just saying that. I thought it just reminds me of arguments my sister's had with my mum you know on on stupid things like my mum's really against finance like buy things when you can afford it like yeah finance up to your eyeballs because like you know there's no need for it um within reason obviously houses yeah that's different but just you know finance and a sofa financing a TV financing a phone like that all adds up yeah yeah and a lot of debt at the point where Rick was getting out of school and all their friends were getting their first jobs they

were just going out and doing all those things and my mom was trying to tell her like don't make stupid decisions now because that's going to affect your credit, which is going to affect you being out to buy how, you know, like, Rick, all Rick probably heard us. Exactly. So she was like, she's wearing out my life. She's getting involved. Tell me what to do. Yeah, she's too involved. She needs to let me do my own thing, my

friends, this. And like, obviously, it's, I was I'm five years older. Yeah. So I was like, I'm like, Rick. And I'd be like, because she cares. Because she loves you. Yeah, but no. And it's nice that she has you as a big sister too, because you know what I mean? but she just didn't I think she gets it so much more now

and she obviously goes to my mum with everything now she barely makes a decision without her but it's it's funny you go through that like late teens early 20s you become an adult you get your car you do and that's where I think a lot of parents you parent always but I think a lot of the panic parenting comes in then because it's like you're now an adult

you can do things you don't need my permission oh my God but some of it I can not everything I can hear my own parents in me when I'm staying it you know and even my mom sometimes says oh yeah and I think I sound like you sometimes too and you know what they're thinking like whatever you don't know like just shut up Mason just thinks you over explain and overthink everything you know like talk everything you know what I mean why than just say that you say that you know what I mean I'm like I know I just kind of help him I'm sorry I just have to just I cover everything and he's like I know everything you've said it to me

a million times yeah yeah no I think I think uh that's what I'm I grew up with as well. My mum, like, saying this can happen, that can happen, like, the bad side of things. So that, like, this is why I'm saying it. So it's like, you get it, but at the age, you don't get it until you're old. And then when you get old, you're like, when, especially when you have your own kids, it's like, oh my God, Bob, I was sorry. You can only just hope that you've said it enough time. You know that for the minute you have your first child, you're like, now I get the stress and the worry and the panic and why you did what you did. And it's because you just love me so much. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

that exactly i never used to get the fact that my mom and dad couldn't go to sleep or obviously my in-laws couldn't go to sleep until we got home yeah that i couldn't get i'd be like oh well i've said that to me a few times well i'd message me because i can't sleep that was it and now obviously well my just got a bit early you've got a couple years before to be fair but even that i was just like that for me was that look i got that and again you could do your very best as a parent I trust you, but you're out in places with other people, you know, like anything can happen. And it's just that even if he's not home and he stays out, so even if I just wake up in the middle of the night and I can't see that text on my phone going, I'm home now, your night, love you, for example.

That's all I need is to just when I wake up in the middle of the night. But if I wake up in the night and I've got a message, then I'm going to freak. And then if you can live it, they'll be like, Mom, it's just a text message. What difference does it make? It makes a huge difference. It is. Obviously, not now they're going to get it. going to be a long while off you. I'm going to keep going.

Yeah, you just have to. Yes, you just have to wait for the day where they actually get it. And then they come back around. Yes, exactly. I think I said, thank you, I love it. I did see something the other day and it was like, from like 0 to 6, I think, like, you're their world. Yes. And from like 6 to like 10, it's like you're their, mate.

Like, there's, yeah, like there's still. like their friend but their friends are the most important then in teenagers it's like don't want to know you and then in your early 20s you might see me for like occasions and holidays and birthdays and stuff and then when you get past that then it's like they come back around again that's the best thing yeah yeah yeah i feel like i've always been quite close to my mom i don't feel like i've had that distance i've done exactly what you've just said yeah definitely million percent with my mom yeah a million percent yeah i mean my dad have always, I've always just the thing by dad, but yeah, me, definitely me and my mom have

done that typical. Because, yeah, as teenagers, you clash and then you did the thing, you've just part and you come back. And now we're close. Which is, I think the typical relationship, I don't feel like, I think maybe just because I'm a bit more mature, less rebellious, but I haven't done that as much, but you still go from living in their house, then seeing you every day to then not. I had a child as well at 16 that my mum, you know, I was at home.

Yeah. You know, and I still didn't think she was telling me the right thing. I know, right, I know. Literally that, and I'm a mum, but you can't tell me nothing. Exactly, you know, it's crazy. Oh, parents. What knows how she fell, you know what I mean? Because I think I would just sat and cry my eyes out if any of my kids spoke to the week.

You know, how I actually spoke to my mum. You know what I mean? I would actually just sat and cry in my eyes out. I could actually cry now, thinking about it to be there, but luckily they have. Feel bad. Yeah, I do. I'm sorry, mum. I love to me.

I'm most, don't go into all that. Don't have a lot much. We love your parents. Yeah, Dad. I appreciate you. And hopefully our kids appreciate us at some point. Yeah,

hopefully we're going to sit in 10, 20 years' time. Yeah. They can come and tell you themselves. Yeah, yeah, hopefully. I said to Kaysen today, I was like, I don't know how it came up. But, oh, I can't remember how it came up,

but I said something about, oh, that was it. Kaysen was talking about, I was saying, like, you're never going to be as young as you are now. Yeah, to having these weird conversations. and then Casam was like

but you'll never be this height either and then Leah was like well no sometimes you actually grow and sometimes you shrink like your mum's probably going to shrink to a little old lady imagine her as an old lady and I was like

God imagine being called like Nanny Billy that just sounds weird and then I was saying at some point hopefully I'll be nanny to your kids I was like do you think I'll be as good

nanny as your nanny he's like no no I was like thank dig I know I think he's Fair, his nanny is super cool.

But, yeah, I was like, oh, fair play. Literally, all you've got to do is mention something of a word. But we're going. Literally. I feel like I just want to say like, oh, like, Jamaica holiday, all inclusive. And she'll be like, come on, shall, let's go.

You know, I was an agile, anyway. Yeah. And it's funny because I'd say that I'm the organising and the book of our group. Yeah. Of friends and stuff. Even the other day, I was like, this is going on, guys.

Should we go? Should we go? She'd look at a table. Yeah, I need to get things in my diary. Come on, everybody. Let's get organized. You appreciate these people. people in your group. You are. You are a good

one for checking your diaries. Let's get some to done. Yeah. Because I'm, I am all for it. Yeah. You're always for it. I am all for it. Please don't. Get me to organise it. Like, you're in my head and I was like, I ain't doing it, all right? All right? Well, you're not even organising your wedding at this. No, I'm not. But, yeah, exactly.

I might have to step in and organise your wedding. It's not start on that. God, no. Please, I'm sorry, everybody. I have no answers, okay? No answers to all. Right. Well, I think we'll end on sharing with everyone. that we hit over 2,000 views. I don't know what you were going to share then.

You actually really scared. What are we sharing? What are we sharing? 2,000 views across all platforms. 2,000. 2K. 2,000 people have listened to our podcast. Yes.

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