The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - Is Talking About Money Tacky? Why Are We So Secretive About What We Earn?

Episode Date: October 13, 2026

Is talking about money tacky? 💸Why are we so comfortable talking about almost everything else, but when it comes to what we earn, how much we have or what we spend, suddenly it feels awkward?This week on Growing Together Podcast, we're debating money, success and why so many of us have complicated relationships with talking about it.Is sharing your earnings inspiring others, or is it just bragging? Why do some people feel the need to hide their success? And can you talk openly about money without coming across as showing off?We get into how our upbringing shapes our money mindset, the influence of social media, what we can learn from wealthy people, teaching our children about money, and how financial attitudes can affect relationships.We also discuss ambition, lifestyle choices, household finances and why being wealthy doesn't always look the way you might expect.Because maybe talking about money isn't the problem. Maybe it's the intention behind the conversation.**Let's settle the debate:**Do you think talking openly about how much you earn is helpful and authentic, or do you think money should stay private?Let us know in the comments. 👇Subscribe for new episodes every week.

Hi guys. Hi. Welcome to another episode of the pod. So this week I want to talk all about the money. Oh, we say nails then. That is like a nail thing, isn't it? I'm like, yeah, haven't got mine done. I'm attracting money.

Yeah, mine are painted by me, which means they're very cheap. They're probably about two hours away from being picked off because that's why I have to get nails. Now you have no do. I pick nail varnish literally within a day of me painting my nails. I can't not have my nails done. But I haven't had a nod for a while actually. No, but it's not, it's what powers pay, pays for the nails. Yeah, the money.

Yeah, exactly. So I was listening to people talk. There's this woman that I watch on a podcast quite regularly. And she was saying that there's a big difference between what her and her girlfriend's chat about and what she's noticed, her husband and his friends chat about. And guys just tend to be a lot more open with, oh, what are you investing in? or what are you, you know, how's your business doing? And they talk a lot more about money.

Whereas I don't think as a society we talk about money much anyway. And I think as women probably less. So yeah, I'm interested to hear your point of view. So is money or talking about money tacky? Or have we just been conditioned to feel uncomfortable around talking about money? I don't know, because I think it depends how it's done as well. I just feel that some people are very money-orientated, and no matter what conversation you're having with them,

it always comes down to money. And for me, it's just a bit like, that's how I would feel. Yeah, you'd roll your eyes. In that way, yeah, you know what I mean? But then if it was done in a different way, I suppose if you're talking about investments and businesses and that sort of thing, it's a different conversation. Yeah.

I don't know. Does that make sense? Yeah, so there's this woman that I follow who eight months ago started her Instagram account, quit her job, didn't really know what she was doing, was quite open with. Like, I'm trying new things. I'm recycling furniture. I'm doing this. I'm talking more on social media.

I've actually learned a few things and she had a business for years. So it's not like she didn't know anything. But she started to share about how she's been growing her Instagram account and how she talks to camera, like some things to do with like psychology and like different voice that you can use like the friend authority and and things like that anyway she put it all into this thing called that she called the Yap challenge and she yeah gained a lot of traction in a very short period of time and she launched it where you joined and you follow along for however long the challenge was a week two weeks or something like that and then she relaunched like a second in

of people because loads of people missed out because she closed the doors and it created even more hype around it. But people were sharing a lot of results like, oh, since, you know, I went through your challenge and I started to do this on my socials, like my account's really grown and stuff. So she obviously was sharing something really valuable. She only charged, I think, $257 for this course. And people were obviously really growing their account, which, you know, nowadays, that's how you make money for a business and for your personal brand. But Off the back of it, she made $7.2 million, 7.4 million in these two challenges. And she said, look, I like to share videos that I find interesting that I like to watch on YouTube and Instagram.

And I like to hear people talk about money. So I'm going to do a breakdown of how much I earn, all the things that cost me to get it done. Because obviously you see 7.2, whatever it is, that's not why I'm taking home. home. So she broke it all down. So I find those videos really interesting, like how much it's costing people to run their business, how many sales they're making. And she really broke it down. But the way she does it, to your point is it's very authentic. It's like, I'm going to let you see the inside. This is what it is. And she comes on the camera all the time. Like, I still can't believe this happened. Like, I've got, you know, imposter syndrome. I can't believe that, you know,

I'm so happy with all the results and everyone's sharing. And, she actually fell pregnant as she was doing it or she told everyone she was pregnant. So she's probably, yeah, must have fell as she was launching. Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. So, yeah, as you can imagine, we all know what that first trimester was like. But yeah, she just did it in a really nice way. Yeah, it was more of a help.

Exactly. So it did come across bragging. Whereas actually I was having a conversation with someone this morning. And we were talking about how. certain people can come across as really bragging about money, about what they have. And yeah, it's just that's quite tacky. Yeah, that's the difference. Even though who we were talking about acts like they're trying to do it to help

and motivate and inspire people, the way that they sound in doing it comes across as bragging. Yeah, well, this is exactly it. And I suppose it's that how you come off to people, isn't it? And your intentions, really. And my thing for that would be that the person, this lady who did the app. Yes, obviously she did it to her money. But generally she's quite open in helping. This is the point.

This is what I wanted. And you know what I mean? Whereas this is what I've learned. I'm going to share it. Yeah. And if I can make a bit of money, great. But yeah, she had no expectations to earn what she had. Yeah, but sometimes when people are doing it in a way that just doesn't feel real,

that it's like, okay, you're giving it to it, but is it, is it real? You know what I mean? Is it or you just trying to get out there what you've got? Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's where it comes down to how it's done. And for me, again, if, again, if you talk to someone all the time and they're just, like,

no matter what the conversation, it comes down to some sort of end of talking about money. It's like, okay, well, it feels like that whole conversation was just a bit in the end, you know, because it's all you seem to want to get out. Yeah. Whereas if it's not and you've got to try and, I suppose ask questions in a way, but they're quite open in talking about it, but they're not putting it in your face. That's more interesting, I think, in a way. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Because it makes you want to know more. That lady's done it. Obviously, she's just done it in a way of putting it out there. That's going to be her thing of helping people. But in terms of people in day-to-day life, come on, like in that way, that's the difference to me of being tacky or not tacky, I suppose. Yeah, that's the word to use.

Yeah, yeah. I think the underlying intention, I think, really helps whether are you being authentic or are you not. But also, I think it comes down to someone's ego and what they, value because people talking about money this that and the other to you, you roll your eyes because that's not your reason for being or your reason for working or like your value as in at the moment in this phase of life is yeah, spending time with the kids and money isn't it. Money we need, we all need money. We all need to earn money. We all want more money. Yeah. But it isn't the thing that drives you to get out of it every day. No, you just, whereas there are people like you said that are very

money orientated. So if you're very focused and driven about earning more money, then I guess that's naturally going to come into the conversation more because that's what you're obsessed about. In a way, yeah, but then it's not always like that because people just end up putting thrown into what the, you know, how much they bought their house for when we're talking about saying, do you know what I mean? And I'm like, I didn't ask you how much you bought your house for. Like I think people can be driven in earning, like I'm driven to earn money and da da da da, da, da, but it's like the be all and end all of my life. Yeah.

I just, I would be interested in, in watching things of, you know, like the breakdowns of whatever, you know, of, yeah, a concert, for example, to this lady doing her job, you know. That would interest me, to be fair, because it is interesting. But again, sometimes when it's just, when it is throwing your face a bit, it makes me not, not interested, I suppose. That's probably my only way of putting it. It's not like it's not like it doesn't interest me. I suppose it's the way of what I think.

The delivery. I suppose it's the way, yeah, the delivery and what, I suppose it's how I think your mentality is as well of what you're trying to get across to me, I suppose. Yeah. I feel I'm quite good at reading people. So in that kind of initial thing, I'd kind of more or less get, you know,

what I think you're coming from anyway. So, yeah. You get what I mean? Yeah, I think. I admire people that are, you know, like driven with money. I think it's a good thing. When it's, you know, like a bit over the top, it's like, all right. Yeah.

Yeah. No, you're right. I think with one of the main YouTube video channel things that me and Liam always put on is a guy just walking around America like, oh, you know, you look like a millionaire. How did you make your millions? And he just stops people in the street. millionaires, billionaires, and like, oh, can I have 10 minutes for everyone watching the next generation

and giving them tips on how you made a million? I find that fascinating. Yeah, yeah. All the different paths of how people have become successful and the obstacles that they've had thrown at them and, you know, how many knows they got and then how they managed to make it and their backgrounds are all different, their industries are all different.

And even when they're talking about, like, so, you know, What was your best year? How much money did you make? Oh, 20 million. It doesn't come across as bragging. No. Comes across as really like helping, informative and inspirational. But I think it's because it's the thing of like,

if you've seen pictures like these memes, the people that think they're rich and for the people that are wealthy, the ones that rich are covered in designer clothes, the jewellery, the car, the like, I'm screaming that I'm rich and successful. And then you've got the ultra wealthy who are unbranded clothes. Yeah, they might be driving a nice car, but they're very understated. And even just their aura, it's confidence, not cockiness. And I also feel that probably, people might disagree on this one,

but the ones that are higher than rich, what if you said? Ultra wealthy. are probably the hardest workers as well they literally are there from start to end no matter what even when they don't have to be even when they've done got to where they want they still are there does that make sense

whereas usually the rich would go right I've got here I've got to that point now it'll carry on but I haven't got to do as much does that make sense most of the time that's what I would say that they don't stop they just don't stop

constantly, constantly. And it's not even about money. It's not actually about money, whereas I feel this is more about money. Is that my sense? Yeah, because I guess you've got the people that are going after money, and then you've got the people who have a mission, have a passion, have started a business

to help people to solve a problem, and they're the ones who end up growing these, you know, huge companies that they then exit for millions and billions or sell because, you know, it's the time to sell or whatever. But they've grown it from nothing. Yeah. Oh, it's not ever started. You never don't start these things for not for money, do you?

It's the point of it most of the time. But I think just there's a difference. And again, it comes mentality and everything. I think it, you know, mentality worth of everything. And things change along the way. You know, someone could have started like that and not carried on like that. Or someone might have started a different way and finish their life in that sort of mentality. Do you get what I mean?

But I do think it comes. down to the mentality of and I think that's the difference as well between the rich and the yeah extra rich or whatever no it's true I think um just thinking back to more kind of realistic like day-to-day conversations like I wouldn't say that we as a friendship group I don't know how much all our friends earn we've not spoke about that but then again I don't I don't I wouldn't have an issue in talking about how much I earn. Yeah. Does that make sense?

But at the same time, I'm not interested. I say I'm not interested. I am interested. The conversation came up, but I suppose I wouldn't go out of your way to start the conversation. Does that make sense? Like I'm not, doesn't really bother me. It doesn't be playing on my mind to ask.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it hasn't bothered me that I was 20 ideas. So, wherever it is. So you would be open, you would say it. Yeah, I'm quite, it doesn't, it wouldn't matter to me. Yeah, I think I'm quite similar. I don't necessarily. think I'd go out of my way to ask.

Yeah. But if it came up, I would be open with close people. Yeah. I'm not going to go around telling everyone. No, but if someone asks me, I mean, it'd be a bit weird, I think, but people can and do, like, who you don't know. Would you find that a rude question? See, that's a good question. It's a good question to ask me that. It's a weird question, I feel like to ask someone you don't know, like a stranger, like why would you need to know? Yeah.

But at the same time, why not? Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, it's just like saying, what do you do for a living? How much do you earn doing that? Yeah, so then, exactly. So it would probably catch me off guard if it was a random person. Because it's not a normal question to ask.

But I personally wouldn't feel like, you know. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? I'm sure when you're younger, you're not supposed to ask how much someone earns. It's supposed to be rude. Well, that's the whole point that we've been brought up. Yeah. As I was saying it, I was thinking. Like it is, I have heard it and I'm just trying to think back.

I don't remember my mum and dad being that funny about talking about money. But somewhere on the lines I've heard it's rude to talk about money. It's rude to ask how much things cost. Yeah. How much people earn. Yeah. I've definitely heard it's rude to ask how much things cost as well. Like if you met someone and they have to say, oh, how much was that?

Yeah. Oh, you got a new bag? Oh, how much was that? Apparently that's rude too. I've definitely heard that. Yeah, no, I don't see it. That's what I was just thinking then, because I don't see it. Yeah, we've definitely been brought up to be told,

talking about money's bad and rude. Because I'm thinking, have I, if I ever said to mine about, not about talking about money, about asking how much someone earns, does that make sense? Yeah. But actually you're really thinking about it. But then maybe that's just, but some people may get offended. This is it, isn't it?

Yeah. This is the question. Yeah. But to me personally, I'm not bothered. But if it was a random or it would just be a bit like... It'd throw you a bit, yeah. But I wouldn't genuinely be bothered. What do you think about telling people, like, how much you paid for a holiday,

how much, like, you paid for a house, a car? Yeah, no, it's weird, isn't it? I think the older I'm getting, I'd probably, whatever. As I'm younger, it'd be more of a secret. I don't know why. Because I'm trying to think, I was probably a little bit more like, I don't tell them. Because that's an immediate...

reaction from how we've been told. So it must be that. It must be just as I'm growing up. I'm just trying to understand all the things like we've sort of grown up and kind of learning or knowing. And now I'm like, well, yeah. I've definitely told people how much I pay for my houses. Yeah.

Yeah, but I don't. In a way that like, oh, I've got a bargain or I bought it at a right time or this is how much I was able to make on buying it and selling it. Yeah. I've definitely spoke about that. And yeah, I think whenever people have asked me about, I don't really remember many people saying, oh, how much was that about certain things?

But in a conversation about holidays, yeah, sometimes it does. Oh, how much were flights to America then? Yeah. Or how much was that? Or how much was it to go, like, I think the older I'm getting, the more I would ask because I don't feel, especially with, like, you know, generally, I think. Yeah, I don't feel like it, I think we can be, like, you say, more open.

I feel like when I was younger, I was a little bit more secretive. but I actually don't know why. Yeah. There wasn't a reason for it. Yeah, I feel like I'm more open and I feel like I'm more interested. Yeah. As I've got older. Yeah.

But I think that's why you learn as well. I don't sound stupid, but otherwise you won't know about something. Well, if you've never been to a place, it's natural to say, oh, how much does the cost to go there then? Yeah. No, I've definitely asked people how much it is for certain things. Or anything. It could come down to like, you know, like, we've done it before, talking about like, you know, we've got to do taxis or accounts.

And then you talk about who doesn't. and what you've got to do? And, you know, do you get this or can we do that? And I think even them conversations, I probably wouldn't have had when I'm not like, you know, look, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, that's a point. Is it just that right? Because Liam's just moved over from his accountant to our friend who has come to every single event. So hats off to you.

But yeah, I kind of said it to Liam. Not that it bothered me, but I was like, oh, she's going to know what we earn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. which I think for some people they wouldn't want their friends to know that obviously I stopped and said oh obviously that means she'll know but yeah it didn't actually bother me to

to do it but it was just a thought a thought across my mind some people would go to someone else because of that maybe you know what I mean whereas I would see it as a pro you know in my eyes in that side of it yeah but maybe again

and that's maybe because I'm older. I don't know. You know? Whereas when I was younger, I maybe wouldn't have. I'm only, well, I don't want to know what I earn. And I don't, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's a weird one, isn't it?

That's the only thing I can think is it's more age for me. Yeah. I certainly what I've changed in age because I'm like, yeah. And do you think that we should tell our kids what we earn? Uh, like obviously when they get to an age where they understand money a little bit. When they understand, yeah, I think, yeah, a certain age, yeah. Yeah. When they've got a little bit more concept of,

money and the value because up until then, I don't think they need to. I don't think it's why. Yeah. That's just my opinion. Otherwise, I think then that there will become very money-oriented and then they just grow up as, you know what I mean? That's the only, in my mind, that's what would happen. I'm not saying it would. So like, for example, Mason, yeah, like, you'd have a conversation with him and you'd be honest with everything. Yeah. If he needs, yeah, yeah, wouldn't bother me. I think, I think we should be talking to our kids more. about money. Yeah.

Rather me at all. Especially when you realize how many kids are financially illiterate and even adults that are financially illiterate and make big life altering bad decisions with money because nobody's ever really taught them. Money management, but that's the point. Yeah. So that's why when that's younger, we're doing money management little things, but they don't know it about it.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you've got your money and then you go and buy something, oh, well, we haven't got enough money then. You've got a way more. For example. Yeah, yeah. You know?

Or that, so then when they get to a certain age of actually understanding the value of that money, then I think that's the time. Up until then, I just think. Otherwise, I think they'll be just come too. Yeah. That's what I would say. And do you think that there's a difference between talking about being, broke seems to be a little bit more like I hear a lot more people go oh I'm broke oh I'm broke

what when they're not uh well possibly possibly but you don't really hear a lot of people talk about oh I'm doing really well or like I actually feel quite financially you know free or independent and you know it's like it's bad to say that I'm doing good even if it's even if you're not bragging but yet people are a lot more open to to joke or say I'm broke or not I can't calm, I'm broke, not like, oh, actually, no, I think I'm doing pretty well for myself. Yeah, yeah. It comes a process, like, a bit up yourself, doesn't it? It can do.

I suppose it can do, but I suppose if you just stood there and went, I'm right, I am. It would, wouldn't it? You know, but if you're going to say, and also it'd be a bit weird if you just went, oh, I'm broke, usually it comes after, can you do this and can you do that, and we've done all that, and now I'm broke, sort of thing, you know? so if it came again in the right content, I don't think it would. Well, I've seen a lot of... And I think it should, like you say, why not?

We're quick enough to complain and yet people don't compliment enough. And do you think we should say, oh, I'm broke? I've seen a few, like, business, guru, money people, experts that say the... the, like even just the way that we talk about money is obviously how we've been brought up. But we shouldn't even be saying things like, oh, I can't afford that. Rich people go, how can I afford that?

Not, oh, I can. Like, even people that can't afford things, their mindset is, what can I do to afford that rather than go, I can't afford that? It's like a different mindset. Yeah, maybe. Well, it depends, doesn't it?

Because I think it depends where you are. I think if you know, if you've genuinely, feel like it's that far away, then you're going to sort of have that, well, you know what I mean? But at the same time, it doesn't mean you can't, you can't edit it. It's like, it's like, what did we say when we're younger? Don't say you can't. Remember that little thing, that little, come on, Bill, you don't vote. Do you remember, don't say, there's no such as word as can't? That was it. There's something else. My mom's a good one for clothes. Or not yet. Yeah, with something like that.

But it's true. It's not a can't. It's that I can't yet or something like that. Whatever it is. But it's, it comes, again, I think it comes down to a little bit of that. That if you've got that mentality, then you probably can always be broken. Well, that's it. That's what I would probably say.

Well, that's what some of the money experts say is that it's our whole attitude towards money that can kind of keep us at a certain level. Even when, even the people that are really trying to push, you can't break. past certain levels with that kind of same mindset. So actually sometimes we're the ones holding us where we're at money-wise without even realising it. And yeah, I never really heard about it until recently like my relationship with money. Yeah. Even little things like, which I'm sure probably all of our parents have said to us,

turn the lights off, don't waste the electric. You know, little things like that because I think we, our parents must have gone through, you know, very different financial cycles than we've gone through. And they obviously went through the financial crash in 2008 and all of that. And yeah, I think there was a lot of kind of scarcity around money, whereas I think the mindset of kind of our generation and the generation next is more about, it is more abundant to think, right, well, if I can't get it now, how can I make it happen? Yeah, yeah, true.

The mentality is more of that, like, positive rather than the negative side of it. Yeah. I don't know. In my house, I would be that. I turn every doubt if you're not in the room. Why is your fan on? Unplug your thing. Switch it off.

Yeah. I'm constant. That is me. Why have you got your aircon on 18 full blast? It does feel wasteful. I'm not very good at wasting. But I don't think that's a bad thing. Do you know what I mean?

When I was younger, I'd say, oh, you type it. You know what I mean? Whereas now I'm like, well, no. It's not. It's just a waste. It's just a waste. Yeah, it's a waste. I feel I'm so old in this conversation right now.

I know that. I kind of going back to the difference when you do talk about money, I think if you are going to talk about money, we absolutely should. We should open up these conversations because that's where we can really learn from each other. Like I remember even a couple of years back being at one of my work Christmas dinners and me and this woman, we were talking about investments just because she was like, I don't really know anyone that does invest and what do you invest in and all these kind of things.

And it's like it should be a conversation. we should all be learning. But yeah, the kind of distinction, which I agree with, and it sounds like you do too, is there's healthy money conversations, which is, oh, this is how I was able to negotiate an increase in my salary. Oh, I spent this on my holiday and I actually think it was worth it. Or this bit wasn't really worth it, in my opinion, so that you're, yeah, trying to help someone.

Or, you know, I'm actually trying to save this much money and what you're doing or I made this from my business. So, you know, like, oh, like I've worked hard and I've got to this stage and this is where I want it to go maybe or this is how much it costs for nursery and school after school clubs and stuff like that. Or I realized I was overspending in this area and this is how I've actually managed to budget better for my lifestyle and stuff. They're healthy money conversations and that comes across as helpful. So I think it is the intention behind it, whereas you've got bragging, which is constantly talking about what you were and when maybe the conversation. doesn't require it. Using money to establish your status.

I think that's what people do, which actually quite grinds me. Or even worse, of trying to make the other person feel inferior. Like, I think that's one of my biggest peaves is when people only feel good about themselves or making somebody else feel lower than them. Yeah, or people, do you mean like when people,

this is, I don't know if I've come to completely the wrong thing or I'll just add to it, that people think they're better maybe if they do have more money. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. So slightly different. But, yeah, I mean, some people will genuinely, well, I'm financially better off than you. So I am better than you.

Well, actually think that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because if they only value money, then they are going to feel better than you. But then it's what that is that, you know, saying that, you know, you treat everybody. whether they're the cleaner to the CEO the same because you never know. Usually that's the extra rich people by the register.

Yeah, that's what I mean. There is that difference, I think. Yeah, which is why I think those rich people get stuck at that stage and they don't go to that level because you're not a nice person. So at some universal level, people, the universe, whoever, are going to keep you there and you might even lose it all. because, yeah, if you're not a genuinely good person, then you're not making good financial decisions anyway.

That's what I was going to say about the kids, that, you know, when you said about not being able to afford something, with children, I have said, when I was younger, I didn't want to say it. Whereas as I got older, I feel, I don't want it to be everything about money. But if there's a situation where I'm like, well, I can't, you know, we can't get this right now.

Yeah. We'll wait for a month or two or that sort of thing. Like you say, not right now. Now, it's not impossible and it will come, but not right now. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because there will be times when they can't and I need them to understand that they need to understand that it's not impossible. You can and you will be able to.

But at the moment you need to prioritize on what you do, you can afford. Does that make sense? Yeah. And it's just delayed gratification. And I think that's a huge thing for kids, especially now we give our kids a lot more than our parents gave us. in the sense that, you know, even just like little things, like every time you go out, oh, there's a toy in the shit, oh, fine, go on then. Yeah.

Like, I don't feel like our parents did, like, we had everything. Or if we don't, I feel super, super, super bad. And I'm like, why? You know what I mean? Like, I definitely didn't grow up without. Yeah. But at the same time, I feel like we do so much more for our kids financially. And yet, if not you feel bad.

But actually, that delayed gratification is going to bring up such better children. Yeah. then ones that get anything and everything they ask for. Well, you want them to have this mentality, don't you? Yeah. And this worth of that of getting there, being driven to get there, to continue to value the people who they work with or work, you know, work for work people, you know, whatever it comes to, that side of it, you know.

And I think maybe that does start this thing of getting that right balance of, you know, like you say, talking about money in the right way. being respectful of it as well, you know, and the value of it and the management of it. And, you know, that sort of things. It doesn't have to be a whole God lesson every day of a child, but we do it anyway. These little things as they're growing up, I think it's the right way. It doesn't have to be all do-da-da-da-da-da. And again, finding that right age, not every child's different.

But, you know, finding that right age where you do think, you know, I can discuss that with them now, you know, rather than when they're asking me at three or four what I earn. You know what I mean? Yeah, like even we went out the other weekend to go get Kaysen's winter uniform and we were in like an Elkhartingles. It was a proper department store. There's a huge floor of loads of toys. Way more choice than we get in the shops near us.

And Kaysen picked something up that was 50 quid. And I was like, I kind of want to say yeah, because it's like we can't get that near. where we live but I could order it on Amazon at whatever but I was like that's too much for just a day out and I've just bought you your uniform so I said no and he picked us something else that was half the price but yeah I had to I went to say it and then I was like oh no don't be and then I'm like no actually I need to you it's it then you question why do I need to but you do yeah because of them reasons otherwise they have no no value or no you know I think that's

the only thing I can even so when the These still have the value no matter if they're absolutely flooding in it. You know what I mean? They couldn't even tell you what they've got. That's how much the value. Does that make sense? I don't know how to explain it. Well, I've seen even like these super rich celebrities.

There is no one here, by the way. It's just like, I'm just to compare it. I think it's like shack and a few. I've heard a few celebrities say it like to their kids. Hold on a minute. No, I'm rich. You're not rich. I'm rich.

And I think it's true because if the kids think that they don't have to do anything for it and it's just a given, then you raise for your kids that have zero work ethic that have zero life skills. So yeah, I think, yeah, going back to that, making people feel less, posting purchases specifically to get reactions, judging people based on how much they earn. That's bragging, that's, you know, unhealthy. But talking about money as well, something interesting that. Anne Hathaway said that I was like, I'd like to see what you say. She said on an interview, only lazy women are impressed by money

that when you have financial independence yourself, you make better relationship decisions because it's out of love and not necessity. Say it again, because I don't know if I get it. Basically, lazy women are, only lazy women are impressed by money because they don't earn their own. Yeah, exactly. If you're lazy and you don't earn your own, you seek it in the man to provide it for you. There are actual women and probably men out there who are like, that's their, that's

their, that's their main life. To marry rich. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that's lazy women. Yeah. Again, it's, I'm basically looking for a rich husband. Under the mentality. That actually, if you, if you do earn your own money, that, you're going to make a better decision to be in a relationship you actually want to be in because you love the person rather than because, oh, you've impressed me, you've picked me up in a nice car, you've took me to a nice restaurant, you took me on a holiday, you bought me a bag, you're actually going, do I love you and do you have good values, do I want to be with you and could it be a good relationship or being so impressed by the money?

Yeah, that's not. Whereas if you've got your own money, that doesn't impress you as much. Yeah, I agree. You already know who you are. That's why I noticed the time. If you've got your own money and got somewhere most of the time, like yourself, you've got it there yourself, then you know who you are. Yeah. Does that make sense?

So you know what you want as well. Yeah. In that side of things, not just doing your business and your career. So I think, yeah, I think she's completely right. Yeah, I agree with her. And I just couldn't, I would, I know it'd be great and I'd be, couldn't do it. I just couldn't. Yeah.

I really couldn't. Yeah. I think we all love the idea of like, oh, yeah, when I was younger maybe. A bit of money, but yeah, no. Even my mum said to me. And I know, I genuinely know, I just, no. Even my mum said to me, like, there's no way you're going to be a stay-at-home mom. You're going to have to go back to work because I just know that's who you are.

So, yeah, obviously to just be someone's trophy wife, I just couldn't. No. And we don't even get that long maternity here. No. That would drive. I was ready. And I was like, oh, it's so short, isn't it? And on my last, it was a bit like, oh, it was a blast.

You know what I mean? But, you know, generally, you're kind of like, yeah, we're ready. Whereas everywhere else gets like a year. Yeah, no, it's very true. So on that then, would you date someone who weren't significantly less than you? Let's just say you had to meet someone tomorrow and they earn on paper half the amount that you earn. Would you still be open to date them? Yeah, it depends on.

what they're like. So, an idiot. So that's irrelevant. Yeah. It would depend on, you know, why do you? It would result in maybe that they're just not a very good person and no driven for anything. What if it's just that their skill is quite basic and, yeah, there's just not a lot of money in what they do? Well, then it doesn't matter, does it?

I think then it's their personality, would my thing. I think it half matters. I wouldn't dismiss someone for what they earn. It's not a turn. Because I'm not judging ways based on what you earn. But if I'm looking at you as a potential partner and the life that I want to live, then yeah,

there would need to be a contribution to that. Yeah, but that doesn't mean things are not going to change. You know what I mean? That moment that you've met that person, they earn less than you. So that's that for a start. If you like this person, right, and they're a nice person. Yeah.

And then the future goes on. Yeah. And if it's no change and you feel like, are they just happy with, you know, no, is this it? Yeah. Sort of thing. Well, there's a lot of people that maybe you're not on. But maybe you're just not on the same, you know, if you want to go with. I think that's it.

I think if someone's a go-getter, if someone's trying to do it, that's attractive. So it's not necessarily about the money if you're trying to. and make it happen. If someone is a plodder, I wouldn't be attracted to a plod. And, you know, I think it would be very different if I was to meet someone now, being where I'm at my age and what I earn. I wouldn't even like to think about it. Well, my, just look at all the car, I'm in the chair.

But obviously, when I met Liam, we were kids, so we had no idea what each other was going to earn. No, no idea. I always had a vision of what I wanted my life to be like. but there was no, I had no idea how I was going to get there. And we've gone through stages where I've earned a lot more, he's earned a lot more. So it's never been, it's always me or it's always him. Ours has kind of changed and it continues to change.

So, yeah, it kind of, we do balance each other out. Yeah, I think at our age, I think if you was to go and look for your partner in life, then you would want them to be succeeding. Yeah. You know, more than not, wouldn't you? Yeah, definitely. That would be my answer. You're not going to go and look for someone

who doesn't seem to be really driven in anything because that's not really made, you know, in a way, if you're looking for someone, whatever age, you want them to make your life better than what your life is now. Yeah. So if they don't offer that, whether that's by this, this, this and this. It depends what you want from someone.

If you want to grow with someone and you just want a partner, so it doesn't matter to you that they're earning their money and they're doing what. It doesn't matter if they're owning me or not. We're doing our thing and we're happy that way. Yeah. That's great. Some people want people to like, you know, do that.

And that's great too. So it depends on what you want your person to be. I think you're on the same page. Exactly that. But I think, yeah, I think especially at our age, if, if someone's in a little, not, you know, I think it's not turn on. That's just what I would say. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you remember, like, your first, like, paycheck? I'm trying to think now because obviously I used to work for more on dad didn't I so forget that one was it in the Indian where did I work? I'll tell you what, yeah I used to work in a bar

all our first, my first jobs were like bars restaurants I used to work I used to fucking work actually this is the thing isn't it this is the actual thing now thinking about it you miss it don't you kind of turn your nose up but actually I miss that sort of like

yeah hustle and bustle of like I was in a bar in the middle of Friday Market Street in Toriaka, mate. I went to the market. I think God knows what time in the morning I had to go there while all the stalls were setting up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think my dad used to drop me about six in the morning. Yeah, and then, and it was just... Non-stop.

Coffee off of coffee. Oh, the smell of coffee grind. And then to stada after to stada after to stada. Yeah. And then there'd be nuts and whatever paper from the floor and everything. Yeah. And then cigarette, because everyone's used to smoke everywhere. Yeah, true, true, true, clean out the cigarette.

What's called? Astro. And we got paid cash in hand, so it was like cash. Yeah, and tips. And tips. Oh, yeah, tips were good, yeah. Tips were sick. I remember I used to, because I didn't have a bank account, I used to bring home my money,

and I would have different envelopes for different things. So I would put different money in my different envelopes. My mom told me to do that. My mom did try and teach you. I think I did start doing it as I got older, but I certainly different. I don't even know if my mum taught me that. No, my mum definitely.

My mum was very, growing up actually with money, she was very taught me. Really tried to teach me the value of money and money management and so much. Do you know what I mean? You didn't listen. No, don't. Maybe when I had Mason, she repeated it again.

So I was listening. She's got a child out. She really needs to get this into her. Because I was so like, you were very, like it grows on tree definitely that was your attitude like yeah you were very generous though

yeah I didn't just I took everyone everywhere you would pay for a lot of people and my poor I took it from my mum and dad didn't I yeah but you were very like oh it grows in trees I'll get more it's going on I want a brownie let's all go and get a brownie

and I'll pay for everyone no you were very generous though and yeah I was actually people aren't so yeah I forgot that I will I will give you that um do you think what was the question again sorry I was trying to um well what was you saying about like getting you like your first paycheck yeah first paycheck so yeah probably in that way yeah yeah getting your cash and then I think I felt like I was going to get robbed actually we'll be in the market at home obviously I wasn't going to you know what I mean but because I had money well there's a lot of money back

then for us I was on five euros an hour yeah and tips tips yeah and it used to go so quick because obviously it was the busy day yeah but actually saying that like I would put everything in an envelope and I did have one for like my bike so I was paying for my own petrol I was paying for like the oil and and things like that and I'm sure when I when I crashed it I paid for I want to say all the repair or at least most of it maybe my mom and dad chipped in but yeah they they've always been really good like they bought me the bike and even with my first car they bought me a car they also bought me a nicer car by 21st. But here's the car, we'll pay even the first year's insurance,

but then it's yours. So, like, I think I was always good at, yeah, putting money aside, like, even for my bike before it broke. I had an envelope for my bike for stuff like that. That's good. And, yeah, I never asked my mum for, I never asked my mum for money growing up. Like, you know, oh, I need a new coat or I need new shoes. I never asked for money.

I think because they always knew that they, like, they grafted for money. Yeah. Because they worked for themselves, money wasn't like consistent. So I think because I've always got the feeling from them that sometimes they didn't know where the next money was coming from. They had like school paid for. And I think I've got those vibes like money sometimes is tight. Sometimes you have to be worried about it.

So I never really like to ask. That was probably the difference of you being the eldest and maybe in the youngest. Probably. Probably. Probably. I'd be like, can I sit up some more please? That's not enough. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I never ask for money even for like shopping and stuff. yeah i think that was probably that was the i'm definitely not going to say it was the other way i'm going to say it's probably more that way yeah yeah and it's weird because i i definitely i mean they definitely you know new trainers holidays we had everything but i just felt like they had to really try hard to make it happen yeah so i felt like i never wanted to ask for more uh or ask for anything and obviously as soon as i could earn my own money um yeah i did that i was babysitting i was working like in the bars yeah i don't i don't actually

straight from school. I can't remember what I did from my money. If I probably did remember, I probably could tell anyone anyway, but. I can't remember what I did with it. I think I used to, yeah, spend it on clothes. And that's what I was going to say, is that my mom never asked for any of it. I know, obviously I was at school. So I know some people say, oh, as long as you're in school, then, you know, your money is your money.

But I know some parents, if you're living at home and you're earning money, they ask for some of that. Yeah. I don't think it's wrong I don't it doesn't I've It's weird actually you say this Because one of one of Mason's friends Parents is a conversation

I think Whereas I I've actually said that This is the richest you should ever be Just if you're not going to pay Save That's what I want you to either give it me And I'll put it away

And that's your rent But it's yours Yeah Because I know some parents have done that They've said it's your paying rent and actually give it away. Yeah, then give it back to them. But I'd rather do it in a way and you can do this. This is more the money management side of it.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, because otherwise you're taking that away from them to be able to manage it. Yeah, exactly. And save it themselves. That's my thing. For some people are like, oh, if I've got it, I'll spend it. So take it off me, take it off me.

And it's like, get some willpower, get some money management, like figure it out and know how to not, you know, spunk all your money. Yeah. So that side of it, that's what I've said to Mason. I've said that, you know, this is the rich of me, save your money. I still want him to live and do stuff and he is. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think that's amazing.

Yeah. Because you should. I don't want him to just, that's why I don't take any, any, whatever you want. But because obviously he's still, he's a lot, his girlfriend's a lot as well, I asked him the other day about the food situation because he eats a lot. He does eat a lot. So I was like, look, when you go to show you and they go and get some of your, not, they don't mind. Of course they don't.

I wouldn't mind the other side of it. But it's that. It's that of just being aware of, do you know what I mean? And putting your, you're an adult now at the end of the day. True. He is an adult. So that's why I said, look, when you go and get some bits or you pay for the next shot or something like that. I think when the thoughts there.

Yeah. I think I'd be more annoyed if Kaysen was coming and going with no thought, empty in the fridge, not telling me that he's used the last of something. Well, they shut for him, like it's their child too, bless them. And that's lovely, but he's an adult. So I just want him to have that awareness and do contribute because at the end of the day, he's... And again, I don't care the other side, the way as they don't.

Yeah. But I just, that's all. But I think that's because... Because he eats a lot. Because they're thoughtful. I think if Mason was just coming and going to their house, no appreciation, no thank you, no, oh, I pick this up, or, you know, If he was ungrateful and not respectful,

yeah, exactly that. You'd have an issue. But I think Mason goes about it, like, respectfully. His girlfriend, you wouldn't know, she barely showers at our house. Not the she barely showers, she barely showers at our house. She doesn't eat much, you always eats before she's come or when she's, you know what I mean? So she doesn't use anything.

I'm like to have stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah. Because I know Mason will go in and be half an hour in their shower and then empty their cupboards and then leave everything on the side, probably. This is how I see what he does, what I think. He's probably better. But it was just that, just him having a little thing that you are an adult. And I know they love you being there, but also be an adult

and just have that little awareness and acknowledgement and that contribute. Like contribute something, yeah. No, definitely. Definitely. I think when I, when me and Liam were living with his mum and dad when we first moved back to Spain and I'd got a job, so we both moved back here with nothing. a little bit of savings

and then I got a job first we were contributing towards the bills not a huge amount but yeah I was contributing out of my wages to bills and stuff I think you should offer and if they terminate no no

you save it you should always offer and I think that's the respect and the thoughtfulness if you're in someone's house is just offer yeah we've said it before when people come on holiday

you know like when they come on holiday and they you offer you the home and that's lovely but and most of the time I wouldn't take it but when someone doesn't offer that kind of it feels a little bit like frustrating then doesn't it yeah yeah but no I think going back to to Kaysen I think I want him to to live at home as long as possible not till he's like 30 and he told me the other day he's never leaving so watch this space I might have to kick him out but no I want I want him yeah I want ideally I'd like him to stay at home till his like maybe mid-20s

I want him to spend, yeah, from the moment he finishes school to like, you know, his 20s, earning something, taking risks, spending money on experiences, on trying out businesses, trying to make things happen because you can because like you say, I think as long as he's doing the right things, he's respectful, he's, you know, thoughtful, he's trying, he's doing things. If he's laying in bed, not getting a job, can't be asked, then absolutely not get out of my house. But no, I think there's a great way where I would encourage him to stay at home, not pay rent. And even if he was spending his money, saving it, go in travel in the world, try in businesses, that's exciting. Yeah.

Yeah. What's things that you happily spend money on now that your younger self probably wouldn't have? Just before we're going to repeat that question, just to question if, let's say, he didn't spend his money on. good stuff. Yeah. What would you do? Does that make sense? Because you've told him that you don't have to pay rent,

but you'd have to say why, you know? Yeah, I think if I could see him making smart money decisions, then keep your money. Like, clearly you're doing good things with it. If I saw him even trying to advise him to do things better and he's not, I might change my tune and I might be there, give it to me and then put it to one side and be like, right, well, you can pay for half of your car or something like that.

Or give it back to you if, oh, now I'm three years older and I want to start a business, right when actually now, here's your money. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'd probably have to intervene. I don't think I could just watch him, spunk everything away. Because obviously, the idea is nice that they do it, but they might not. Sometimes they don't, yeah. Again, like you say, be young, make silly mistakes.

Completely, but I'm just wondering, you know, there's a, don't run up credit cards. There's a line. store credit for things, don't make stupid things and ruin your credit and get, you know, live in your overdraft, living your credit limit and things like that. Or if that, what's what I'm saying, they're just out all week, all weekend or that sort of thing. For a little bit, but then. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's a line, isn't there with everything, even shopping and everything. That's, you know?

Yeah, now I... You have to intervene at some point and that's the learning. That's what the, I think that's where the parents should jump in. Yeah. Like sense? Yeah. Yeah, all right, when they're adults and I say about, but. They're also not.

So that's what I'm saying. No, I think you have to kind of, especially if they're living in your house. Because you've said it before. I think some people do think when they get to 18. That's it. I've done my parenting. But actually they need that guidance sometimes.

That's the most important. Yeah. That's when they're in the real world. That's when they've got jobs and girlfriends and money. That's when it actually comes into real play. Yeah. All then things. Hopefully you've done a good enough job.

Yeah. But you still need to be kind of there. I still go to my mom now and ask for advice on things. So yeah, you don't ever stop. So yeah, going back to how we're going to finish this is what is things that you spend money on now that you wouldn't necessarily spend when you were younger or things that you just, I know this is more expensive than other things available, but this is worth the money. Something I wouldn't have spent when I was younger, but I would spend now is learning. Yeah? I would have done that.

If someone said that to me and I was younger. Yeah. So education. Yeah. Learning and, yeah, that. That's a good one. would be one. What about you? So I put a couple things down just so I didn't draw a blank. Oh, okay. I put the aqua service. I know that, I know that water costs me more money than

if I bought it from the shop, but I'm not lugging liters of bottles of water from the shop. Do you have you seen that much water, man? We're not far behind you. We're not far behind you. Acre service is worth the money. And every time I pay, I'm like, Liam, we're paying 50 quid a month for water. But it's... 90 euros I pay. Oh, fucking hell. I have shit. We drink it though.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's worth it. And like you say, the water here, you can't drink out the tap. So you have to buy bottles from the shop. And, yeah. Lexi's a water drinker. And if then with that water runs out, she knows.

Swear to God, she knows if it's run out and it's a different water. Yeah. Well, all we drink is juice at home. Not all of us. Well, mine just drink water. Yeah, which is good. Weird. I don't.

I wish they drank just water. I don't. I drink squash. But they would drink, so honestly, I wouldn't know. I'm not a really a water drinker. I can taste with water though. She has got a point. Fair enough.

Like, I really don't like Nestle water. Oh, okay. Yeah. Honestly, it's so weird how she just knows. I'm like, yeah. And I'm not fussed with like Starbucks coffee, have a copy. Coffee, I couldn't tell you. But there is some taste with some waters.

Yeah. I know what she means. So I don't, I could not get that. Yeah, no. Aquaserv is worth the money. I put branded. cereal. We're a cereal house. Every morning, all three men, boys, eat cereal. I don't really have breakfast, but they eat their cereal and we've tried non-branded. And you can get away

with the odd non-branded one, but generally they taste like hardwood. So we generally do branded cereal. I don't know. I don't know. So is it Japan? Hines. No. Hines ketchup. No. I used to. Used to. I don't really have ketchup. be fair. My lot are not. That was definitely a me thing. I would have to get the HP brown sauce and the Heinz ketchup and the helmet. That was me. That was me. And as I've grown

up, I'm like, yeah. There's some things that maybe, yeah, but I can't actually think of them right now. Yeah. But no, actually, me now. No, I'm, no, actually. There ain't many foods that I would have to get like the more expensive one. I'm quite

happy with like. There is, and like, you know, like you're crunching up. We're really dropping names, haven't we? Yeah, yeah. That's like a one that you can't negotiate on. Yeah, there are a few. I've also put down here school, which is obviously leads into the education a little bit.

And I've paid for God knows how many courses. So, yeah, that's something that I'm happy to spend money on education as well. I've also put pillows and duvet sets. Oh, this is. And don't get me wrong, my sets are generally from Primark, but not the basic stuff. No. three prime-mark ones, which are more money with the extra thread count.

Yeah, I agreed. Yeah. And I couldn't get one last time. So there was only like 12 something or shit, stupid like that. Yeah. No, I'd agree with that. That's probably one of Liam's biggest regrets, actually, is we were on holiday in LA, I think it was.

And we were in a department shop thing and we were wandering around and they had all these beds set up and I should do feel everything. Yeah. and he found this set and it was Ralph Lauren, didn't know it was Ralph Lauren, just felt it, and was like, oh my God,

this is like hotel luxury. And it ended up being a Ralph Lauren set, and it was 600 quid. And he was like, oh, no, no, can't spend that much on duvet set. And every time we go away now,

he's like trying to find this same set or something that feels like it because he was like, I dream about how soft it was and I've never felt anything so soft. So, yeah, he'll, he wishes he bought that. As long as yet,

I'm a more unattouched thing. So I have to touch. So actually that makes it just wait for me and then I'm just like literally go quickly around. I touch, I realise this, I touch clothes just as I walk through the shop anyway. Even if I'm not interested in buying it, I still touch as I go along. But yeah, I'm not like, oh, Egyptian cotton only or only 500 thread count.

Like, I don't care. It's if it feels soft and then I'll buy it. Although I am trying to go more for, again, I'm going to probably sound by honest, but apparently the, the difference of, you know, what we're sleeping on and things like that can affect, affect us as well. So, I mean, I don't know if this is true or not.

Again, people are going to sound mad, I don't know. But, you know, back in the day, in hospitals, they used to use, like, 100% cotton sheets to heal people. It was all about healing. And now it's very synthetic-y thing. and that's the difference of something like that. And it does make sense. I've never heard that. It sort of makes it.

I'm probably not explaining it very well. It's probably really what the fuck you're about. I had to find it and send it you, and then you could probably explain it better than me. Again, I don't know if it's actually true because you know what it's like when you see these things. But I do agree, not that I'm doing anything about it because this would send me crazy, wouldn't it?

If it's true. But I do sort of see the side of a good, the material, and good for you, you know, like a good material on you and the effects that it has on you. But yeah, you're right. I wouldn't short on them to be fair. Definitely, but it's more about touch. It's not about the amount. It's more does it feel good. I did once spend

a crazy amount of money on a pillow. Did you? Everyone does on silk pillows. This is before I had kids. And, you know, just when you go to like a hotel and you know, when you just have like the best sleep because like everything's just so soft. So I was like, well, why do I have to wait? I sleep on my bed every single night. I want that every single night. Did you get it of a pillow

menu in a hotel? No. I've seen that you can do that now. I nearly did that but this is when I was young but I was like, I am doing that and I wish I had done it. I think you can buy Premier Inn pillows. I've seen it. This is like the Mario or something. Premier Inn's our favourite. But honestly it was like, it was actually like ooh, actually I would have one. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Well to be fair, I mean I'll drop the price talking about money. Yeah. We paid 150 euros each for the pillow. Yeah. So we spent 300 quid on two pillows. I'm pretty sure that is my favourite pillow. So we've got a very wide bed. You can actually fit three pillows along.

And we've got, I think, six or seven pillows on our bed. All completely different. Some from Primark, that expensive one. I'm pretty sure is the one that I've still got. Another one that was maybe like 40 quid. All different. But there's only one pillow in our entire bed that I like. And that is the one that I sleep with.

Which I think is, I think that is the expensive one. I'm sure it's the duck feather one. Oh, see, my mother in-nor has them, and I didn't like it before because they used to poke it. Yeah, it does stab you a little bit. I put two pillowcases on. Yeah, so, but we've got like a memory phone one. Yeah.

We've got a feather one. We've got like a cheap one. Yeah. And, yeah, I've only got the one that I like. It's weird, isn't it? I do think you should. I think it's something that you should. When you think about how long you spend in your life and better.

It's the most place you go. So, you know, we like so. I'm getting like a good mattress. Sofers. I'm trying to think of, you know, more furniture. And it's for your posture and everything. I do think you should. But not just the everything, the bedding and everything.

But also for me, the amount I change it, the amount I change my bed in and pillows and duvets and everything. Like I change it just, I was going to go to one. So, I don't know. I don't think I'd be broke. Broke. Can't afford it. Figure out a way to afford your,

replacing your suave habit. And then the only other thing I put is shoes because I like my shoes. Yeah. And I, not that I won't wear cheap shoes, I've got cheap shoes. Yeah. But I will spend the money on shoes.

We've said this before. We notice the difference, I think, most of the time, don't we? Yeah. Yeah, we can get the occasional. But majority of the time, we've said that comfort. Yeah. And quality. Yeah.

Usually you can feel like a life thing in a shoe. Like clothes, most of the time, to be fair, the quality. Clothes, I don't spend money on. I don't. I barely have any designer clothes. Most of my stuff, Sheen, Primark and Zara. So I'm all designer clothes when I couldn't afford them.

Yeah. Than when I can afford them. Yeah, when we were teenagers, it's because it was all about that, I think, showing off what you had. Whereas, again, as you grow up, you realise it's not all about that. Yeah. So, yeah, that's what we would spend our money on. Yeah.

Actually, now I try to choose things that don't need ironing. It doesn't matter how much it costs, what material it is, just as long as don't have to fucking iron it. And that's usually when I buy like a, like something like this. I'm like, oh no, I'd have to have dust that will get justice so quick. That's really bad, isn't it? That's why I don't have anything on my house. Because I'm, oh, if it frames up for the first time,

you know how many years I've lived there and already, I'm like, I forgot to say, you've got dust the frame. Whatever makes your life easier, I'm in it? Yeah. Cool. Well, yeah, what do you guys think about money? Do you think it's tacky to talk about it? Do you think we should talk about it more? I think we should talk about it more in terms of business, investments, what helps us and things like that. I don't think there's anything wrong talking about it. I just think there's a way of talking about it. Yeah, in a way to help each other and stuff for sure. Be authentic, don't be arrogant. Would you pay 150 euros for a pillow? Yeah, would you? And she still doesn't actually know for that video or not that shot.

Yeah, I'm not sure. If you don't justify it. But if you have pillow recommendations, I'm all ears because I'll be happy with the new pillow. Cool. Well, thanks for joining us again for another week. Don't forget to like and subscribe. It really helps us with the channel. And we appreciate you. We do.

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