The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - The Airbnb Hacker: The Truth About Success, Motherhood & “Having It All”

Episode Date: May 24, 2026

Everyone talks about building a successful life…But nobody talks about what it actually costs.In this episode of Growing Together, we sit down with entrepreneur, mother and self-proclaimed “Airbnb Hacker” Yaiza for one of the rawest conversations we’ve had yet.From building a business from scratch, navigating loneliness as an ambitious woman, balancing motherhood and marriage, surviving 6 miscarriages and learning how to protect your peace this conversation goes far deeper than business.We talk about:entrepreneurshipmotherhoodambitionrelationshipsADHD & high performancefemale friendshipssuccess & lonelinessbalancing it allThis is the real behind-the-scenes of what “having it all” actually looks like.✨ Subscribe for honest conversations about motherhood, ambition, relationships and modern life.Follow us and our guests below:@therising1111@yaizarentalix

Today's guest is the true definition of building life on your own terms and someone I know this community is going to relate to but also love this conversation. She is a new wife, a mom, CEO. She took an idea all the way through to a thriving business. Online, she's known as the Airbnb hacker and she teaches people how to build income and wealth through rental properties. If you've ever wondered what the real behind the scenes looks like, what it really does take to balance motherhood and building a business and, and the stress and the chaos that all of that brings, then this episode is for you. Sit back, relax and enjoy this episode. Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of The Rising's Growing Together.

I'm joined by my co-host. Yay! And we have Jaita with us today. So welcome to Growing Together. I'm really excited to have you here. We were just saying before we started recording, you've got so many things going on. This hopefully won't be a four-hour episode.

We do have to pick the kids up at the end of the day. But I'm not really excited to dive into it because there's lots that I think a lot of our community can relate to in terms of running a business, motherhood, just the general kind of life stresses and pressures that it comes with. People who are ambitious that want to do big things and want big lives, which is safe to say all of us here. So we always like to start with an opening tradition question.

So what is a quote or a saying? that you live your life by right now? I would say you just have to be brave enough to do the things you're scared to do. Most things in my life that are worth it came out from hard decisions and being brave enough to take them. So I would say just be brave and go on.

Definitely. What's the saying that I like? Feel the fear and do it anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said I want to get that too. You say that a lot to be fair. But it's right, it comes down to that, that bravery of pushing yourself to do something that seems a little bit scary. And like you say, most of those things that are, are always worth it.

Yeah, and biting more than you can chew because you'll find a way to chew it anyways. That's definitely it. I saw something the other day and it was, you know, you doubt yourself a lot for someone who's always figured out. And I was like, that is so true. That is me. Like, I definitely overthinking and doubt myself. But I've always managed to figure it out. And like you say, if you, jump a little bit too early, bite a bit more than you can chew, then you will figure it out. And at the end of it, I think that's how you build confidence. Would you say that you've always been brave and had that mentality? Or it's something you've had to get better at?

I think you train it. And I'm not done completely, obviously. So I think I'll get more into it and you guys probably as well. You train it. You are less confident in 20, you are tip things and you get your goals so you are a little more confident and you're a little bit more and a little bit more. And I think I'm going to be more. I think life experiences give you then these different qualities as you grow up as well. And I think a lot of people think you have to build your confidence to take that jump.

But actually it's taking the jump that gives you the confidence. I don't think that you are successful, then you're confident. I think you just figure it out and you build it along the way. Yeah. Because if you wait to be confident first, it's going to take you a long time. No, you're confident because you've done it because you've got to tip. Well, you say you've bought a teeth. So that makes you confident.

Yeah. Yeah. So you are the self-proclaimed Airbnb hacker. Yeah. So tell us a little bit more. What is for everyone watching your life? livelihood, what do you do? Yeah, we rent houses, all kinds of rentals, but we are 80% specialised in holiday rentals. So we know about it more than anyone. Yeah. So do you help people

that have them or are you managing other people's for them or how does it work? Well, our main business is managing other people's properties. But now we're investing ourselves on it as well a little bit, but that's not even 20% of our income. Okay. So I've seen you with hard hats and everything on in properties and buildings. So you're involved in renovations of those properties as well? Or is that your own? Yeah, no.

The last house we bought, it was wrecked. It was a disaster. So we have to put all down and build from scratch. So yeah, it's been quite stressing. That's one of my main stresses at the moment. Oh, yeah. I've done two full renovations, complete, like top to bottom, moving walls, pools, everything. But while living here, that's the most stressful.

Yeah, yeah. I nearly got divorced when I did that. That's true because both of ours, we never lived in it. When I grew up, my dad's a property developer, my mum's basically the interior designer. Together, they do it all. And I've lived in a lot of house renovations. So I had the luxury of not having to do it myself, but I grew up in house renovations.

I'd come home and my bedroom wasn't where it was, you know, when I left for school. But so, yeah, tell us a bit more about the stresses of renovations because there's a lot of unplanned things that crop up. Yeah, well, I can tell you more about our own house where we live renovation, which took place. Well, baby was started walking, so two years and a half. Let's just throw a baby in with the house renovation. All covered in dust and things on the floor she could get caught with.

It was a nightmare. It's like you can never see the end, isn't it? Like, is this ever going to be finished and clean and, you know, is the list ever going to end and we're going to live in our own? And you don't have a date either when you do renovation. No, it started February and we ended in December. Yeah. Dates are never the same and neither is usually the budget.

Yeah. Everything goes over. Over time and over budget. Everything was a thousand euros. Yeah. Like every extra, everything you want to add or everything that isn't planned, a thousand. Yeah. Yeah, it's really tough.

It's not for the faint-hearted and, yeah, even going to IKEA, I think, can nearly end in divorce. So let alone a whole house renovation. Yeah, no. It's very different refurbishing a house that you don't live in. Like we now, we stress with the world, not between each other. We get angry with the picture or not between each other. So it's very different. But that's a good tip.

So, yeah, take your frustrations out on everybody else. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's different. You've got that space to be at home. Yeah. You know, I think when you're doing it in your own home, you've got no, you've got a getaway. You've got your space.

You don't have a break from it. It's definitely a different circumstance. And you can relax because there's always something or someone is strange in the house and watching you. It's a different type of stress. That's the way. Yeah. Exactly. No, it's a lot to juggle all of that at the same time. Like you say, totally worth it by the end of it, but it's tough to get through that. But just going back to your business, you started completely from scratch. No contacts, no experience. What made you believe that you could do it?

Well, I had myself in it because I was working in a state agent and they used to do rentals. It wasn't his main activity. But they didn't. did them and I was managing them because I was the only worker them. And I had a few houses empty from my family, my grandma, some of my aunts and I said, okay, I can do that. So I started when I was in the state agent working. And as soon as all these little houses made a good salary, I obviously quitted and I started with it. But yes, someone gave me the idea. Yeah. No, that's Great. I think there's so much glamorisation around being entrepreneurship, work for yourself. And sorry, be an entrepreneur and work for yourself. But nearly everyone that I watch who's successful that runs big businesses say, you know, do it on somebody else's money. Like start

working for someone. If you can work within the industry that you're looking at even better. But yeah, do it on the side and build it up to the point. I think everyone gets so excited to just, yeah, quit my job and I'll figure it out and it's like that if you've got a lot behind you to you know rely on then sometimes that can be the push that you need but I think the better way of doing it is to grow it solidly you know slowly so that you're managing it because if you grow as well too fast it can all fall apart yeah yeah no I definitely think the same you cannot put all your eggs and just try you you have to have you have to use it as a side until it can become Maine. It's a lot of work at the beginning, honestly. And when I did this, I don't know if you

know, but I also had a night business going on. And because this business was failing, because you remember, well, of course you do, Jenny Osir and all of that. I had a path there, a nightclub. Yes, we went out one night. Yeah. We were there. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. And, well, The area was going great and everything was money and until they put this, how are you saying in this? Tenetarium. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Crematorium. Yeah. Next to it. So obviously anyone wanted to go there and everyone went to Belize and parking area and all of this. So from one day to the next day it was empty. And obviously we had an investment there and we were there only for a year.

so we had cost to cover yet. So we were there for half more a year trying to get someone to sell it to, not to lose the investment. Silly thing to do now. Now I see that I only lost money, so I needed another job. That's how I started in the state agency

that I'm telling you I got a idea for it. So it was three jobs I had managing at the moment. And also, like you say, going through that, probably set you up with enough, to do things differently the next time. And, you know, I'm glad you share that because people looking at you now are saying, oh, she's had it easy.

And it's not as easy as it looks on Instagram. Like you go through a lot and sometimes it isn't your first business that makes you know all the money. Not in the same field. It's not like you've stayed in the same field. Yeah, you've gone from business, you know. Entertainment. Different fields to what you do now. So, so yeah, even go, like you say,

you went into that estate agent job because thinking income, I need income because this, the moment is failing. I need some income. I need to live. And from that, you've grown into something else and it's took you on another part. So yeah, it is. It's just, it's inspiring to hear. Because like you say, everyone kind of goes on the, let's just say the textbook of, oh, this is how easy it is. Yeah, no. Or most of the time. And most things aren't in the books. So you need to learn them yourself, you're going to fail a few times before you do it because they won't tell you. It's not that they won't tell you deliberately because they don't want you to know. It's because everyone is in their own path.

So what they tell you is probably not applying to your situation. You have to find out your own. There's so many scenarios that can crop up and things that can happen. And, you know, I remember being at college and I studied law and I was going to do a law degree. I ended up realizing how much reading it took up. I changed the degree. I did international trade instead. But I remember being at college, and I remember the teacher and thinking, like, you know, you look up to your teachers and stuff.

And then I heard someone say, if you can't do it, you teach it. So, like, people that are teaching business, economics, that's right. We end more than them now. Why aren't they doing it? Like, they're teaching me the textbook of them. But have they actually ever run a business? Have they ever actually practiced law? And there is that saying.

Yeah. And it's the same with like learning languages. Like it's one thing to look at a book and look at all the different tenses. But it's a whole other thing to actually communicate in another language. So it's the actual practicality of doing life. That's what makes me laugh. I think one of my kids pointed out once about this thing that come up on, I don't know, social media of something like along these lines of like, is your PE teacher fit though? Yeah.

No, they're not. They're like old and not fit. You know, like these sort of things. What do you expect us to think when this is the thing that we're given? But yeah, it's true. It definitely needs to put into practice. Yeah. And one of the reasons why, you know, I wanted to create this community is because I find that maybe it's because I'm looking online that, you know, in America or in the UK, there's all these like communities of business women.

But here I don't feel it as much. So obviously now it's great that we're starting to build this community and we get to have these conversations. and kind of be that support for each other. But I imagine you probably didn't have many people going through what you were going through. No, not at your age. Even now, like in some of the podcasts they asked me, what's the worst thing? And I said, the loneliness.

Don't you feel lonely? I was like anyone understands what you do and how you think. Everyone thinks you bragging or showing up. people are yeah the loneliness I feel so lonely in this area yeah no I definitely feel that and you know especially when you're going through tough times or you're overthinking things second guessing things am I doing the right thing am I far enough along what can I do to to scale go to the next level and it's like all of these pressures sometimes you're celebrating like you say you feel like there's no one to celebrate with them because you know I've done all this and I've

through it and then when I do celebrate it when I show it someone might pull me down for it where's the community of the women's support and big in each other up because I've seen this might sound against women and I'm a girl's girl

I'm really up but I've noticed the last years that some girls or some friends are there when you're low when you're down yeah but it's not really because they love you that much it's because they feel good having you down And when you go up, they don't like it and they take distance.

You know? They don't say anything, but they take distance. You notice it. Yeah. I think that's a really good. Their presence is different when you're going through different. Not everyone, but you can notice it. No, I think that's a really good point to make because I think it supports that loneliness

theory of, you know, we've all got our friends, but there's friends that you have that, you know, as you go through different seasons of life, where they're, you know, it is starting businesses, growing your businesses, seeing success, getting married, having kids, your friendships change. Luckily, some stick around. No, you're so lucky. I'm the same past, same vision, so you're very lucky. We've got a lot in common, but we do a lot of things differently as well.

So we're quite lucky that we're still are close in that sense. But you do notice you gain friends and you lose friends when you're an ambitious woman who's kind of doing it all. And it is a real shame that some women believe that if you're shining, it takes it away from me. Whereas actually there's enough shine for all of us.

And, you know, there's been times where I've been promoted and you might not be where you want to be in your career and you've supported me and you've cheered me on. And there's other times where, you know, you're gone off out on your own and I'm supporting you.

And now I've made you thinking, oh, my career's a bit stagnant. Like, it doesn't matter what I've got going on. Like, we should always be. showing up and cheerleading our friends. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But if you think about it, I've been talking to Nandi about this, like night after night

because, you know, is the only thing in my love that is a little bit sad, is that it feels lonely. All the other areas are great, but we talk about this a lot. And we come to the conclusion that it's not personal, it's not something about you, is that you being successful or you doing something reminds them, what they could do and they decide not to pursue. Yeah.

So you don't have to take it personal, but that people, when they look at you, they get reminded that you haven't tried, that you, well, that they don't do it, that they could because you can. You come from the same place and they can as well, and they don't do it. Because if you think of it,

they don't feel like this about successful people that they don't know. Yes. praise their success. They want that. They're great. They're inspirational. That's because they think they're different. They are able to achieve them, but they are not. They give them excuses. Oh, it was easy for you and you lived in this place and you had these people supporting you and this investment and that education. But you're right. When it's that close to me, actually, how they're treating you is all about their own insecurities. Because like you say, you're putting a mirror up to them and saying, definitely. I went through the shit because I pushed myself and I wanted to and I've

overcome things and that's good for me but yeah you can you can also do it and actually you've got a friend who's done it so really you should be you know you're inspired it's more inspired in front of you and asking for help but you're right it does usually unfortunately go the other way we've said it before it's usually they like you say especially with more social things they like and share all these people that they don't even know yet they don't share the people that are so close to them that they want that That is my biggest bug bear. That is my biggest bug bear is that they say like clients become friends, but friends hardly ever become clients.

And, you know, I would never have thought years ago and all the times that I've grown my careers, you know, studied business and done all these things, that I would have to put my face out there and be on Instagram to grow a business. But that's just the way the world works now. And it is, you know, not natural for everybody. and you have to overcome that bit of fear and uncomfortableness of putting yourself on video and posting it.

But then to see friends who claim they support you and they don't, like that shows you. And to them it's not, it might not be a lot. But to you, a share or like and a comment is free. But for them it might not feel, oh, it's only a like. Yeah. But to you, it doesn't be a lot. And they know that.

They should know that as opposed to you. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely all these things that you love. Yeah. Yeah. As, as, yeah.

And this is why we can create that space where people that think like us that do support women, that do cheer each other on, we have people that we can lean on and we can celebrate with and we can help each other. Yeah. Because part of the reason why I wanted to do this is because I did follow, there were two English women that ended up setting up an online business in America. And they said the same thing, like entrepreneurship is lonely. Yeah, it is.

there's nobody to talk to, like, and we want to create that bit of corner of the internet. So, yeah, like, obviously, the business has started online, but the whole, the only reason I do the in-person community here is because I want those women around, yeah, like each other. Yeah, no, you do. We can do big things when we're together. Yeah. Yeah. Like, women can run the world.

I do believe that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, definitely. You surround yourself with people or girls in this case, with this mentality. and that are chasing their dreams as well, probably won't be jealous of you.

Absolutely not. No, I think there's a difference between jealousy and like you say, the complete opposite of that is being inspired and that can actually help you. Because the more inspired you are, the more action you're going to take. So talking about mentality,

you said that being a CEO isn't just like a label or title, it's a mentality. What do you mean by that? Because you would have gone from an employee to a CEO and that's a big shift that a lot of people have to make when they start out on the right? Well, at least for me, I think I've been a CEO my whole life. I just had to be an employee for this circumstance in this point specifically. Yeah.

When I was at uni, I started a clothes shop website and it was working really good. So I always had this, that's why I started business, I mean business degree at uni because I wanted to lead a business at some point. So I think for some of us, maybe not a lot of us, but some of us, yes, it's something you're born with. Yeah. And you knew you were always going to do that. Yeah.

I didn't know which field. Yeah, exactly. But I knew I was going to have a business or a few businesses. But I think you're born with it. Well, for some people may this not relate, but for some of us, yeah, you're born with it. I agree with that. I saw something that said CEOs or entrepreneurs are basically people that are unemployable. So I don't make a good employee because I just am a business owner. That's the way it

goes. And it's very related. I don't know if any of you guys have it, but to ADHD. I definitely have ADHD diagnosed. Yeah. Diagnosed. So probably they said the rate of or the percentage of ADHD people between the CEO or entrepreneurs is like 80%. I don't know. I may have been wrong in the numbers, but it's really high amongst the normal. I can see how the traits would definitely match up. Because you do have people that are good with, here's the instructions, follow it, go and do it. And the people that are just creative that, you know, pull ideas from everywhere, have the vision.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, like you say, it's finding what's good for you. And I think, you know, there's a lot of talk about ADHD now, which is great because it's kind of releasing that stigma of like it's something that's going to hold you back. And actually, it can really set you forward if you use it in the right way. Exactly. And no, I agree. I think, to be fair, I think it's definitely something I actually want to get tested for. Yeah. I would never have thought that about myself growing up.

Same. But having said that, I think I'm such a masker. Nobody really knows what's going on in my head. I'm very good at covering it up. And I think we've got a lot of kind of autism, ADHD, and our family and Asperger's and these things that now are more talked about. It's easy to recognise. But it shows up a lot in people and my family,

but I think I've always been very good at covering it up and being like a high functioning version of that. But yeah, definitely, I'd say the last six months, I feel like my brain is just completely changing and I'm really starting to feel like the things that people say are the traits and like struggling to focus. How old are you? Exactly.

Well, that's when the prefrontal cortex finishes developing for DASC people. So maybe it makes sense. Yeah, well maybe I might book a little appointment after this. We've had a guest done previously who wasn't diagnosed, but she's kind of self-diagnosed herself, should be said, and it just made her understand everything a lot better. So I can imagine that if you was to be diagnosed or at least tested and, you know, just investigated a little bit more.

Just to understand. I mean, we all know ourselves, but just that little bit more understanding of ourselves helps, doesn't it? Yeah, no, I think so. I think so. And if you have a degree, you turn up to have ADHD, you probably have a high IQ that has caused. over it all up. Exactly.

Yeah, I have a TSD, but I have a degree. So it might sound conflicting. Yeah. So the answer for that is I, it doesn't take me long to learn something. I just, yeah, I don't have to sit for hours to understand. Exactly. So that's why it came out easy for me. Yeah, yeah.

So high guy, Q, ATSC girls are easily. never diagnosed. No, I agree with that. The more I've seen, the more I've learned and just how I felt over the last six months, I feel like quite a big change to the point where it's becoming a little bit uncontrollable and harder to cover up,

whereas before I felt like I always was, but I just thought that was me and like my thoughts and how I do things. But yeah, with more education and knowledge and also feeling like a little bit like, yeah, I'm actually struggling to keep it all together. This is might not normal. Yeah, definitely.

No, it would be interesting to find out a bit more. And obviously, being a CEO, owning your own business, everybody wants it. What do people not see? As we said, the loneliness, that's the worst bird. Yeah. And the mental load. You can never switch off. Never.

Yeah. Like they say, oh, a friend to Nandi the other day, because I don't know if you saw some of my stories. We didn't say the kid to school. we went to La Bocana, you know, in the Bacana area. And we put some stories there, and one of his friends were, oh, you're working. Yes, you're working because I put our story saying what it looks like versus what we're doing. And we were on our phone.

And what they don't see is I can be there, but I'm working. And I don't stop when eight hours go on. Yeah. I carry on. And I'm on my sofa and I'm on my phone. I'm thinking, what can I do and how can I prove this? So it's never switching off As you said never

Yeah you never finish You fall asleep Think you know the things you can do And you wake up Rushing because of the things you have to do And it's all on you right Because who else is going to do it Yeah

And you know I think I feel a little bit like that And I'm not even running a business I'm in a career And I feel like that So I can only imagine Yeah The extra pressure

That comes from you being the one driving the ship. Yeah, yeah. Because it is exhausted. Like all the things that we have to think of, like in just in terms of running a household, you know, looking after children and all their appointments and then being a wife and then a business.

Like it's a lot to juggle. And like you say, I don't think people realize how physically tiring the mental load can be. Yeah. What do you do to help yourself? I like to take my time twice or three times a day. It doesn't have to be much time. Maybe sometimes half an hour on my own, on my phone,

and with whatever gives me dopamine, that probably is scrolling some breath or being with my baby lying in the sofa. So I try to do that a couple of times a day before, obviously, before shutting off. But I think it has to do a lot with my DHS as well because I get overwhelmed when I'm with people too much time or when we are socialising a lot that day and I have... I was just thinking the same thing.

I took my sister to the airport yesterday and I'm like, I'll take it out, I'll take it out. I need to go out and be by myself. Definitely. And the older you grow, the more you allow yourself to these because when you're younger, oh no, I can't go. home now they're going to think I don't want to be here. Now it's like, well, I tell you what it is like and you choose if you believe me or you

think I don't like you. But I'm going home for another. This is how it is. Yeah. I think you've become a little bit more confident in what you need when you get a bit older. I feel like I've spent a lot of my journeys. I think I said this when we were talking about ADHD, like people pleasing and always doing what made other people feel comfortable.

I didn't want other people to think that I was being. in rude or impolite and you know i would always put myself in these social situations and then when i leave like i've got a migraine yeah because like i've i've pushed myself so far to to be there and do what looks normal um but it takes a lot out of you um until you realize like when you leave like oh god i'm exhausted but yeah i thought that was just me i didn't kind of really realize just thinking that's what that's bill no totally yeah so so i've decided to take this time for me before I get burned out, so I do a lot. Yeah, no, that's really important and it's good that you notice that

and it can be quite hard because we've always got something to do. Without feeling guilty, like you say, I think as we grow, we do get better at feeling less guilty for taking time, real time for ourselves. Whether it's just 10 minutes on your phone or whether it's going to get a massage or whatever it is, as we do get older, we do get better, not perfect, but we do get. get better at learning, no, this is what we need for me, for my family, for my home, for my business or whatever it is, it definitely gets easier in doing those things. I think to be to get older. To be the best you, you have to do those things. And I think, yeah, the older you get, you become wise to that. Whereas before, it's like, I'll just push myself and push myself and push myself until the point where I can't do it anymore. Yeah. But then, like Liam said to

me, even just with like all the business that I'm doing, when I get stressed and overwhelmed, He's like, don't do it. Yeah. He was like, I only want you to do it if you enjoy it. And I'm like, I do enjoy it, but I'm also stressed it over the world. Yeah. It's because we care. Yeah.

If we didn't care, we don't feel like we do. I've come to the conclusion now that it feels easier because we've covered the basics, you know? All we do, we do as a game now. Because, for example, at least in our case, with what we got and what we managed, as the bull to be and some inerritances. We probably wouldn't have to work if we wanted our normal life, you know, normal people's life. So all we do out from that for us is now, like a game.

Like if I get there, okay, I got there. If I don't, it's okay. The pressure's off in a way. Like, I'm doing this because I want to do it because I want more. But I don't have to make ends meet. I don't have to try and cover the mortgage. So I think, yeah, that's, I mean, it's a great position to be in. Yeah. For sure, obviously you've had to work your butt off to get there.

Yeah. And as a couple as well to do that. But yeah, I think having that kind of mentality of whatever I make from here on out is the fun bit is the extra. Yeah. And I think it's a different type of pressure. Yeah. It's a different type of pressure than what we've used to doing before. Yeah. I don't like to say.

to choose. Yeah. Whereas before you probably didn't have so much of a choice. Yes. You know? I don't like to say I'm stressed or I'm doing too much because I know some mothers are struggling to pay rent to fill their fruits with groceries. So I know that's harder. I'm aware of that.

Yeah. I'm not going to say, oh no, being a seal, like a, a quite a ma. I, a Spanish one, Jose Lias, says, no, it's different problems. Yes. is different problems. Yeah. But your problems, he says they're more difficult

or more hard to deal with. Yeah. I said, no. They're probably more complicated to solve, but that doesn't mean they're harder to deal with. For sure. For sure. I'd say I feel probably a similar level of stress now

than I did 10 years ago. But like you say, it's a different stress because back then I was trying to build a career. I was trying to buy a house. I was trying to, you know, start a family and get married. And like, it's still. stress and you never have enough money. Now it is different. I am more comfortable, but I'm still

like, because we're ambitious, we want to keep growing. And yeah, it's not to say that. But it's a parcel between you and you, not you and the world. Yeah. It's very different. I love that. That is definitely very, very true. So what would your advice be? I mean, you've grown your Instagram to nearly 40,000 followers. So you're obviously doing very well. And building a personal brand online is a huge, I think help to businesses now. How would you advise someone to do that? How would you advise me to do that? Because I have a little following at the moment.

Well, I always say this. It might sound unpopular, but the Instagram is full of pretty girls, prettier than us. I'm probably doing better than ads, richer than us, better cars than us. So pay a little ads and your community will grow

because what is not that easy to grow organic, it's very easy to grow paying a little at. You may don't have to we spend that much, but maybe you'll give a push to one of the real of your... Yeah, of three, four, five euros on a reel. It pushes them very farther than those three, four, five euros. Yeah. So I say spend a little money on us. Investing yourself. Yeah. Yeah, for those little things that people don't probably think about or something, you know. They're like, oh, come on, come on. When actually, just this little bit of investment. Yeah.

You can help you. People are really reluctant to spend. Yeah. 50 quid a week on ads, but would go out for dinner. You have to quit. So it's like it's investing in yourself. I'm a huge advocate for investing in yourself. I spend a lot of money.

Yeah. On courses and different things. Yeah. And yeah, you're right. Organic growth used to be easier. It's so much different now. Because there's so many people and they're always someone better than you. Yeah.

And you can't sell a business. you can't sell your services, your products. If you can't be seen, you need to be seen. So, no, it's the truth about it. Pay for ads. Pay for your business out there. Just like people would pay for a billboard, you're paying for an online billboard.

Yeah, definitely. People see it differently, though. People do see it differently. It's like, oh, I'm not paying for social media. I've got some people. But they don't see it in a different way. Of course. Yeah.

So, yeah, no, that's good advice. Yeah. And do you feel pressure to, look good on camera or are you used to it now? I started my Instagram a year and a half ago, more so it was more than now. Now it's like whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. And actually I think in the start is the fear is more real. Yeah at the beginning for sure and you can tell just going back and looking at like videos and then you first started. I mean I wouldn't even want to look at those videos of myself right now. But yeah, you just become more natural, all the way you talk and yeah,

you care a little bit less. And actually, the more of what I'm seeing now is people that, you know, doesn't really matter what they're wearing, you know, how done up they are. Talking to the camera, like they're talking to their friend. Like, I always thought like it needs to be scripted. I need to sound really intelligent. I need to say everything, not perfectly. And actually, people like, isn't natural. They prefer it. The content that I like to consume is straight to the point,

give me the value, let me know that you're, you know what you're talking about, but you don't have to be a robot and speak super intelligently. Like, I don't think it has to be like that. You can swear every down then. You can be hair on top of you.

You can, do you know what I mean? And sometimes we can do our hair and makeup and we can make an effort. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's okay. Someone where you see all of it.

I'm still growing. Yeah. Yeah, no, definitely. So yeah, I think it's important that you're, that you're not so bothered now, I suppose. Like to say at the beginning you're more, I don't know what you bothered about, but we are. Yeah, because you've never seen yourself. So you think, what if people think I'm horrible and I've always been in a lie and the world lied to me and I'm a horrible human being? Like the looks of me, but then you know, it's his life.

It's when you go to speak with clients or to order coffee. It's the same. Because other people's opinions as well and other people's opinions aren't going to pay your bills they're not going to fulfill your life so yeah I think that comes with being a mother as well

yeah I didn't think like that before okay yeah because you have to advocate for your ties and ignore people's opinions so that definitely reinforce this way of thinking yeah that's true

I don't know you relate but yeah no definitely yeah you do you need to trust your more. You need to, you know, I don't think there's anything that you do in life, apart from when you then have a child, where more people give you the most advice. Like, you know, when you start work or you're at school, like you get advice, but as soon as you have a child, it's like everybody's advice just comes from everywhere,

about everything. Yeah. And it really matters to you. So I think that's when the people pleasing you dies. Because I don't care what you think, even if you are the grandma, Even if you are my mother, I don't care what you think. I'm doing what I think is best for my child. I agree with that. It's hard for me to say a change because I was a mom from so young. So I don't even know where the change changed. But I certainly can see a change in other people.

Yeah. You know what I love. Yeah, from before children to having children. I don't know if it's a confidence in yourself. No, this is my decision and this is how I'm going to do things now. Like you say, you have to do it. and da-da-da-da-da, it comes from everywhere and everyone. And I can just see that before they would more second question their decision

or what they were doing than when they became a parent. Yeah. It is. I definitely can see it. But I think you're quite a confident parent. Like I'd say between me and you, I probably still think, am I doing the right thing? Should I do this?

Should I do that? To myself, like, I'm not like, oh, I'm taking everyone's opinions on. So I do agree. I am trusting myself. But I do think it through in second guess Whereas I think you're very like This is the way Probably she's had a few extra years on the rest

I think I'm more more What's there confident Parent? That's what I mean Not person Okay Does that make sense? Yeah Totally

Going on people I think you're more a confident person Yeah Yeah as a parent I'm like no this is this is it And whereas other things in life I'm like true I don't know

Yeah no this this is Yeah I think yeah When it comes to business, I'm probably more comfortable with that. And you're definitely comfortable. We've got levels of trusting our different abilities. I can really trust your mother abilities and maybe you trust your social abilities more. Definitely. But even recently, we had family that passed away and everyone's telling me that I should tell my son about it.

And I'm like, no. And that's probably the one time where it's like a really big thing. And there's a lot of people in my family that have a. different view. Luckily me and Liam are on the same page but yeah that's probably been the first time where I'm like oh should I really consider everyone else's thoughts about it and it's a really big thing um but now you as a mom as he's mom and it's your child that's probably the first with you saying advocate for your child that's like the first thing that came to my mind where I've really stuck my foot down and he's probably a small version of you so you know better what how would you

have liked it to happen when you were little. So you're the perfect one for him. You probably know better. I like that. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. So talking about motherhood, just to kind of merge the two together, do you have boundaries when it comes to work a motherhood?

Obviously, you said, like, the reality is a lot of the time I'm working constantly. Yeah, I might have flexibility over my day to go and grab lunch, but actually I'm working. I'm doing this that people don't see. Do you have set boundaries where it's like, no, this is it and now I'm a mom? Or does it all just, it just merges together throughout the day? When I had Lisa, I had this kind of timetable that I tried really hard not to skip. And I take her to my mother after school on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. So I have those afternoons for work.

And I give it totally Thursday and Friday and Saturday and Sunday, obviously. And that's like a way for me as a mom to think, okay, I'm giving half a week, so three days and a half to work. And I'm giving three days and a half to my daughter, which is probably not like that accurate 50%. But in my head, it works. And I really, unless it's that a client's coming on holiday and cannot see me unless it's a weekend, I really try not to put anything on my diary for Thursday and Friday and the weekends always. So you try to bulk up like the Monday to Wednesday,

do as much as you can for the week so that you've tested in the business, you've done what you need to. I've done that since I've done that since I had a Lisa. Yeah, I've tried that since the beginning. I don't know if it's working, but we're here. If it works for you. I think that's a very, very good thing for you to do because I see a lot of people in.

business and they're great their business is fantastic but that time that's really precious they're losing and now it comes back and it doesn't it doesn't come back and I think once you then in that motion of working all that time you can't get you can't get out of it so where you've put that boundary fight from the beginning I think it's really clever and important and because it's something that I I do I'm quite big on mine I'm like yeah people can't get touch with me once I'm that's it um yeah we don't even know where my phone is like it's gone it's out it's it's not home with you and that's it you know so but i know people do struggle with it or not even some people don't even see it some people don't even see it yeah that's even see them yeah that's even

yeah so that's great and it's business but actually your home life is he's he's he's not you know not really i think it's really difficult to be able to have a successful business fulfill your ambitions and your potential as your person raise good human human beings, be a wife. Like it's really hard. And especially when you are ambitious and you want to keep growing and you want more, it's very easy to just give all your time and attention and your energy, energy more than anything to that.

Because there's no point going, I don't work Fridays if I'm absolutely ruined by Friday. Yes. I've worked so hard. I can't even talk to this kids. Yeah. I think the little thing that makes the difference is if you are able to get help. I have help in all areas. I have help at home. I have a cleaning that comes every day.

I have help with the list. I have my parents. I say it's not like a nanny, but isn't paid. Child care. It's like having a nanny. And do you need help at work if you work for yourself? So I have an employee that is like my right hand. I don't know if you say that in English.

Yeah, right hand is exactly it. But that you can rely on. Exactly. So they're not just people you can actually rely on these people. And we say this so much about asking for help and making sure you do. You do because you can't do it all on your own. No, but you can.

No. You've mentioned this. You can if you're a mother and you just take care of your house and your child and your husband works like you used to be. Yeah. Then you can. Yeah.

It's one job. Yeah. We're asked to do several jobs. We're doing a lot of jobs. And I think that is so nice to hear. I'm definitely going to see if I can get a cleaner. Yeah. I'm not allowed.

You don't have one. I'm not allowed. Probably I'll clean the house for the cleaner. So, and I get it. I completely get what it's because I would. Oh, quickly, the cleaners come and let's clean up. We'd be like, what? But you just stop doing it.

You're doing it for the first couple of times. Yeah, and then you get used to it. You know, since far as you've found your pants in the bag, you say, okay, I'm done. I do pay to get my mother-in-law to do my ironing. That took a massive, like, job off my hands, which, yeah, even just notice him one little job. So, no, it's great.

to be honest and be like, look, to have it all for what it looks like, you know, and for me to enjoy my life in all of the areas, I have help. Yeah, I see. And actually, I think our age group are the worst people to ask for help. So it's good. Like, you know, when my mum lived here, she doesn't now, but when she did, like, she would always offer to help, yes. And I, like, didn't have any guilt with, you know, her looking after the kids

because they, you know, both enjoyed it. But yeah, if you need childcare, like, we. cannot physically do everything. So if you, you know, if you want to do each thing really well or if you want to focus on one thing, like you need support. Yeah. I remember when I had had my first, I remember people would ask to have him and do this. I'm, no, it's okay.

I'll do it. I'll do it. And someone gave me advice. I was like, if someone offers to help, take it. Take it. And I don't think it wasn't to my second. I was actually like, yeah, actually. You know, I'm going to go and do this because actually I can't do it all or I can.

but by the end of it, I'm like this anyway, so it wasn't really worth it. You know, so yeah, I... You need help, and a cleaner is not that expensive. It's one of the most basic services you can hire. It's like 10 euros an hour, and you probably don't need more than for your house. My house is a normal, four-bedroom house, and we have her eight hours a week in house. So it's not that much. The amount of eight hours out of your time would make you so much more stressed.

then if you then have those eight hours back and is it worth 80 euros? Absolutely when you're coming in or going out and for me personally that load of my mind of I need to do this and I've got to do that and that needs to do it in that order because then I need to be able to get the washing out and hang it out so it can dry and do it. Because I've tried to not do it this too. Yeah. And it doesn't work. Yeah.

No. Because it's just ignore it. No. No, you can't ignore it. It's there. You need an organization in your house to develop. your best self. And I don't think it's the same to have someone come to your house once a week for eight hours because then you have the load of every day. Yeah. Just a little bit. Yeah,

that's what we do. So every day when I come back home after work, everything from the day before is already cleaned. There's no dirty dishes. There's no laundry to fold or to put in the washing machine. So it's a little bit every day. And my house is not spotless. but it's a house we live in, but there's never anything to do. This is the dawn, clothes are done, and I just cook. Like you say, that's what I like to do. Yeah, if you enjoy it, fantastic. But just having those hours back in your week, it probably makes a huge difference.

Yeah, definitely. Good advice. Yeah, I love that advice. So your journey to motherhood wasn't as straightforward as some people. And the more we talk about it, the more we realize a lot of people go through, you know, all different things to, to raise a family and start a family. Do you mind sharing a bit more about that? Well, at least it didn't come easy.

I had six miscarriages before her. That was the lowest point of my life. I never hit rock bottom like I did that season. But I grew up from it. I totally changed. It totally changed my mindset, my priorities, my everything. So last point in New York City. that the one from Elisa, a successful one,

my business was already in a very good position. And I think that's one of the things that let her come into this world is because I have everything ready for her. The timing. So I like to think that it was fate and that I didn't have my library when I wanted to come and she came when the moment was the right one. It's funny because I think the same thing

because I had Kaysen and then I had, when we decided to have a second, I had two miscarriages in a year and then I got pregnant at the end of the year. And I think back, even though that all happened in the same year, from the January to when I fell pregnant in the October, like, yeah, my career and life just would have been very, very different.

And actually, that little bit of extra time just helped things fall into place. Yeah. So, yeah, I've got a very similar... Yeah. It's funny because... I was talking on a... Well, I don't know. It's a Spanish podcast, so you probably haven't heard of it. It's called Madres in My Tas.

And I was talking to this girl about not miscarities, but pregnancies and how it makes sense. And most of the people she has lately spoken with things the same. It's like our careers kind of take off when we get pregnant. Yeah. Yeah, because a lot of people think you have to pause your career. They're ready. Yeah. But a lot of people think that, having kids, like, affects your career in a negative way. I think that's a lot of ambitious. I was really worried about making the decision to have Kaysen, like our first child because I was building my career up.

I'd been, you know, promoted a few times and I was in a good position. But then I was like, is now the right time? Is now not the right time? Like, can I do both? How do I, you know, continue to be so, you know, driven? But then I feel like I'm going to have to put everything on pause. So it's nice to know that actually it sometimes helps accept. Yeah. And I think, as we are, our best of manifesting what we want in life when we are carrying a baby inside.

I mean, we got twice the strength of doing what it takes to do something. That's a nice way I think about it, double the strength. Yeah, yeah. It's in that power that it brings. We have it. Yeah. So if you think about girls you know and women, you know, most of them got their career upgraded when they got pregnant. And the more people you speak to, you realize it's not as straightforward as it looked to have a baby. Like in a friendship group, there's normally a couple of people that have suffered different things, whether it really just struggled to get pregnant to start with, had miscarriages, epicopic pregnancies. Even I've known people that have had the first child, no problem, they've struggled the second time.

So, yeah, the more we talk about it, the more we realize it's not always straightforward. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's not. but in the end obviously you got there so it was worth pushing through the worst time and you know I know after my second miscarriage I didn't expect the second the first one I'd heard about things a little bit and like it was sad but I was to tell you it's normal

it won't happen again the second time shocked me and then from that point I was thinking well maybe it's just not going to happen for us again so I can imagine after six that feeling must be so high do we even bother keep trying? Do I keep putting myself through this? It must be really tough to push through. Yeah, that's one of the things I was speaking off when I said about being brave at the beginning.

It's like if I was not brave, which I think is one of my better qualities, I wouldn't have tried again because six is a lot. And most women say, I don't want to go through it again. It's painful. It's debilitating. It's horrible for your body. I mean, I gain like 10 kilos in that year and a half because obviously the hormone imbalance is crazy. It affects everything, right? Mentally, emotionally, physically. Do it more because you need your dopamine. It was awful on me.

But yeah, then if you're brave enough to overcome the best of your life comes after. Yeah, yeah. No, that's lovely. What has been your favorite stage and age so far? I don't know. Coming to a stage. Maybe we're not a.

No, but I'm coming to a phone where I'm really miss having a baby. And I'm in that moment where I want one. I want to hold myself for a couple of years because I've learned and read a lot about it. And for the parents' mental stability and romantic relation, the best eight is between six and seven for the first time. Yeah. So I really don't want to put that extra on me and Nandida doing so many things. And we've kept it alive, like we got the spark going on.

So I don't want to kill it. I want to be Elisa independent enough for us to have another baby. I definitely want one. Coming to the question, I miss having a baby. And when I see a newborn, I totally miss it. But every year it's better. Like, I meet a better person of my daughter. So I wouldn't know what to say.

Yeah, I agree there. Like, it does, especially at that age, because they change so much in a year. Yeah. How old? How old? So it's three and a half. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

They do. But I agree with you there because I never wanted to have too close together. Yeah. So I know the typical age gap is about three years old when you normally have the next one. And most people are the next ones. And, you know, it's, you know, tough. The divorce rate is very high. I know that I wanted to wait a bit longer.

So we got to around five and that's when we were debating, do we have another one? Do we not? We're so comfortable. And then I was like, no, I do want another one. And then by the time we actually went through what we went through and then had Hayden, Kaysen was six, it's been a great age gap. Because like you say, there's just so much going on. And when you throw two kids in back to back that both need you because a toddler needs you, as much as a baby needs you.

It's very demanding on not, like you say, not just you, but your relationship, the people around you, your work. So, yeah, I particularly enjoyed a gap. Your first age gap was about six years. Yeah, mine was obviously different again because of my age, having my first. But the age yet was six years as well. Yeah, going on to Lexi, I did want a bigger gap between them two. I actually had earlier than we kind of planned.

but in the end they were three years but the way it went here when the time obviously that I had her was that my middle one started school and then I had her so I did still have that time of the set you know but again it

when you plan it in your head I was expecting to have maybe a year again just maybe for me and maybe for them too and then to put that focus again into effort into the baby because I do feel like when you have a baby

not that they you feel like forget them because you don't. But that focus more goes on the baby. Yeah, that's not true. You know, and depending on what age this child is before them, it can make a big difference, you know, like, especially for me, they, he was only three. Yeah. That's so young. Yeah. So young to have to grow up. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it does, it becomes that way, you know? So I do agree. I do think it was definitely nicer for, to say nice, everything's great as they've grown up as well. But, you know, in terms of the time, yeah, it definitely, it definitely, gives you that time to focus on them each age stages and yourself.

Especially when they get to the age where they actually have a personality, you can communicate. They do have things that they're interested in. Because if you have like a two-year-old and a baby, it's like the two-year-old, like you've kept them alive, but you've not got to the age where they, you know, you get to know. They can't.

It's plain. Nursery and other people because they're not with you all of the time too. So they even pick up things that, where have you got that? from, you know, that makes you giggle and, yeah, it is important. But I also know people who prefer that closer. But I think that's the people that don't like being parents. Because most people say, no, I want them close together because then you do it all once.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I love being a parent. I love this life. I'm not thinking of them growing up and going to parties and everything. If I can make this longer than it is, sounds perfect to me. Yeah, yeah. The only thing I would say with that for me now is I've always wanted a lot of children. And through different situations, we've, we decided we wasn't going to have any more.

We have three and that's great. That's great. You always wanted four. I did. So you did have one less than you planned. But what my point was now that I feel that if I was to have a baby now with my youngest being nearly 10, it changes the dynamic because I feel like they're all at ages where you can do different things. It's a different stage. Yeah.

You know, and then if I was to have a baby now, again, it would be like, right, focus. Yeah. When we miss, when we, not missed, but yeah, we miss then that's bad. I see, I see where you're coming. You know? Yeah. So as much as a gap's great, I do think as well. Yeah. I never seen it from that point or be you.

I like that you say that. Yeah, because you do, it's stages. I talk about me this all the time. I don't know. I'm in a different stage now to most, most people because I was so young, you know. but talking about having more and the age gaps and the pros and the cons I would have probably had babies forever to be honest

but because of that kind of that point for me was like no let's appreciate what we've got and where we are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see him now. Yeah, because even now we're getting to a stage where we can go out for dinner a little bit more we can go for like walks like because he's a little bit bigger but you do spend like maybe

a year and a half, sometimes even, well, he's two next month, of changing your normal things that you do, all the places that you go to to accommodate for a baby and another kids. Well, I remember years and years ago, I mean, I'd probably get a bit more better out. But years ago, when mine were young and everyone go to the beach, I'm like, no, I don't go to beach. It's too much hard work trying to keep standing out of the babies. You know, like that kind of stage. I'm like, yeah, you go to the beach, I'll see you next. Yeah, no, it's true.

It's true. No, definitely, yeah. What are some life lessons or something that you, want her to see that you've done or that you want to pass on for especially for a daughter. So this is out of my expert zone. No, that's a good question because I remember my mother always telling me, obviously my mom and my dad are together. They're happy marriage and everything. But she always told me for some reason that I need to to have my own finances and do my own money. Bringing away money. Yeah. Yeah, on the last episode.

that dad's got his running away money. So I have stability in my home, but my mom always told me that and reinforcing me having a degree and working for my own and all of that. That's quite unusual for a woman who's still married for so long. Normally it's women that have gone through breakups and divorces that have experienced not having that,

but give that wisdom. So it's good that she had that wisdom. But I don't know, she never worked. I mean, she's always been a mother and she had a last degree and everything, but she didn't use it. Probably she was talking about that. But I think I'm the first in my family who has already done it,

so that's what I want for my daughter. She can see her mother did it. Her married didn't need to be married. She was married because she loved dad. And, yeah, being brave enough to do her thing and not rely on anyone, of course. You can rely on someone, but not so much that you couldn't. never run away. Yeah. Exactly. No, I always say that is that I, I choose to be with you. I don't

need to be with you. And there is a big difference there. And relying on someone, like you say, there is a good amount. I do definitely rely on Liam. Yeah. But it's not because I can't do it without him. Exactly. And it's because relying on each other and you have that trust. Yeah. So it's different. Nandi and I are on a point where I could afford the life we have without him. And he could definitely afford the life we have, we have me. But together we get to build from that life. And if we use my money, we build with yours. And if we use your money, we build with mine.

So I get it's a great composition. Yeah, yeah. And talking about Nandi, obviously you guys were friends for, yeah. What was it, like 15 years or so, give or take before you ended up getting together? I met him at 16 and we, I'm older. Yeah, I met him when I was 16. I thought it was younger than that.

No, about the same. What was it? Well, we would have met him when we were about that age. No, I was with Mitch since I was 15. I would have met them at like, 13. Oh, God, I don't know it. We were younger, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you're right.

We would have met him when we were about 13, so yeah, it was a couple years later. Yeah, no, I was 16. And what was to say, is that age, 21 years? Yeah, yeah, it is. Wow. So you were friends for a long time in each other's lives, knew each other, friends, friendship group and then you got together. Yeah.

So what changed? How did you go from looking at someone as a friend for so long? It must be actually harder. Yeah. To change how you look at someone. Or is it easy? I don't know. I don't know.

It came up so natural. And yeah, definitely something shaped. And I think that it all happened is like perfectly orchestrated. Like he asked me so many times, did you have a plan? I said, no. It just happened so magically. I don't know. It's like it was written.

It was going to be like that. And everything changed. And obviously, I get it is different from someone you don't know and you act like a different person where you are starting with someone and you put this mask on. We couldn't do that. You're already nice. Because you didn't see it coming.

So you've grown up with these years of, like you say, being in the same French group. doing things what you do normal day to day as a teenager. And then like you say, you get to this point, you think actually, what? Yeah. Yeah. Who made the first move?

Me. Oh, I love that. Love that. Yeah, we were in a situation where I was working with his sister. So that brought it all like a bit closer. A lot more than lately. So for some reason, well, not for some reason, I know the reason. I didn't have a house.

I just separated and I moved to one of my family houses that I told you I was working with, with the rentals. So I could be in that house as long as there were no rentals. And when there were rentals, I used to go to my moms. But there were family coming to my moms. It was summer. So I had nowhere to go And His sister, Nuriya told me

My brother is leaving He's going on a trip to Where was it? Mexico or Morocco? He was living So he said, why don't you ask him to stay in his house? So he's the perfect time for you not to be in your rental So I went there

The thing is, and I was supposed to live when he arrived, right, the same day. But my family decided to stay longer. It is very much like that. The universe definitely made the heart of them. I can also understand why he asked, did you plan this? So, yeah, my family. Because you came and never left.

So it was a good week we were sharing our house. Yeah, and you got on. Yeah. No, it's when it happened. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's definitely, I mean, now she's giving me a bit of goosebumps. Like that definitely was meant to be. Yeah.

To, like you say, to leave a relationship, not have anywhere to go to permanently, be moving around and family and then you made that happen. And then you didn't get to leave when you were supposed to. You had that one on one time. Yeah. If you didn't have that one on one time, you maybe wouldn't have looked at each other any different. No, probably not. So, wow. And then 21 years later.

Yeah, well. You still haven't left, but that's lovely. It's a nice story, you know? Yeah. And again, you've gone through things as couples that, you know, that it's been difficult. But probably even as you've gone through things, just being friends together. I mean, I can imagine after a long time as friends, when you get together, you probably have friends that are like, love this, go for it. But you probably had some friends that were like, what's going on?

Yeah. This is weird. Well, even family, my sister-in-law was crazy. Oh, really? She hated it. Yeah. How funny. We stopped working together and everything.

Oh, you stopped working together because of that. So she just didn't like that dynamic. No. Yeah. And now, obviously. Yeah. No, we're funny. Yeah.

Well, I can imagine initially, yeah. It's weird. Oh, that's my brother. What are you doing? You're supposed to just be friends, you know? Why are you complicated? Does it happen? No, like, say, it's, again,

no, trust in your gut, knowing that I don't care about other people's opinions. this is worth seeing what happens. And yeah, now married, daughter. Very happy. We've not found a better partner. Oh, how amazing. That is really cool. And what do you think,

how has having like the perfect partner for you supported you in your like business journey because you've probably done quite the most of your growth while you've been together? Yeah, yeah. And he's the same. I think, I don't know how it was. I can only make assumptions and theories,

but definitely if you look around, the people that is with a good partner, just grow faster. Yeah. I don't know what it is, like being comfortable at home, being able to share with someone who holds your same vision. I don't know how it works,

but it is definitely a very, very important element in being successful, or having someone by your side that things like you and that you can. You're like each other's biggest fans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's that. I think that, you know, of going out, whether you're working or whatever it is

or constantly getting calls of where are you, what you doing? Or go and smash it today, babe. That's a huge difference. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that helps. It helps in everything. Definitely.

Not just for growing a business or being a mum or partner, just in life, isn't it? You know? Yeah. And he was successful. Well, he's always been in the same field, but his career took off a few months before mine. So I always say I have to be grateful because I think that being able to rely totally on him

gave me the freedom to focus 100% and my one take off. Yeah, and it helps he's driven too. Yeah, yeah. You know, he's not just there, you're supporting you, but he's got this drive and ambition, but his life as well as yours. Yeah.

And yours as a family, you know. But some guys struggle with that. Some guys say, oh, yeah, I'm supported. They're like friends. And then as soon as you actually become successful, it's like, oh, but don't be as successful as me. Yeah. And they have a bit of an ego around it.

But that's good because he always made a little more money than me. So you always do it, don't it? Chase each other. When he, the first year, he hit 100? I hit 180. I hit hundred, 80, he goes out in the phone. So, yeah, and me, me in the way. So, yeah, yeah.

I think, like you said, the mental load is so much. Yeah. That if you can have a partner who doesn't cause you extra stress, but if anything, just build you up. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think fast tracks it because I'm not wasting hours in my week, you know, trying to please someone, argue with someone.

Or find someone. Yeah, or exactly. I think that takes more time. Yeah, definitely. For sure. So how do you make sure as a couple that you stay connected? Because like you say, you know, we talk about this all the time. We're building businesses. We're trying to grow. We're trying to be a great mom's, be a good wife. Like be everything for everyone and still have time for ourselves. But like it's so easy to put, you know, kids, career, like everything first. And then top one. Yeah. Your partner gets the less of you. Yeah. How do you keep that? Like you say, the spa. No, no, yeah. You have to, your partner is the most important person if you want it to last forever.

Yes. No, we take a lot of time. Like we go out to eat maybe three, four times a week. Then we go for dinner once a week without baby and we sleep without baby. Either Friday or Saturday, I take it to either nanny or grandma and his mom. So we make a lot of time for it. Which I think is important. A lot of time. I know.

80% more than normal capitalism. I agree. I think it's so important though. With everything going on, it's so quick to lose. Yeah. You know, lose that time which then loses the connection. Yeah. And it will happen.

No matter how much you love someone, it would happen. Yeah. Yeah. And there are weeks where I feel he's going a lot going on and I do. And we haven't seen it so that much. And I can feel. the distance, and if you leave that one week after one week after one week, you're probably separate in 10 years. Yeah. And the longer it goes on, the easier it is to just leave it that way.

Become disconnected from each other. Yeah. For sure. And I think we've said it, like, when there is a lot going on, sometimes it is allowing, you know, that person to do more and I'll, you know, hold the thought while you've got a lot going on. And if I've got a lot going on, I need extra support than normal. And just being. flexible but yeah I think you can't beat quality time together and I think sometimes even when you're together it's hard to not be on your phones not talk about the kids like not talk about it I think it's impossible yeah yeah you have to do a bit of all of it and I think you know when people go oh we don't talk about the kids we don't talk about what do you talk about yeah exactly

you know it's on for so many years actually that helps you sometimes like planning things and seeing the future and stuff. No, I love talking about my daughter with him and seeing him trule. Yeah. Oh, I bet she's got him wrapped around here. Yeah, her little finger. I also think with that, though, with that connection and spark going out, I believe that when you do have a supportive partner each side,

when they are supporting you or they're driven to do what they do or drive you to do what, yeah, it's quite attractive anyway. You know what I mean? So if you haven't got the time, you could just look at them and go, oh. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because what you're doing just as you're so attractive.

I think where most couples go wrong is that the woman ends up doing most. The guy ends up doing less. And she resents him. He is sick of being moaned at. And like you say, that distance continues. And that's what leads it on. I think you have to have someone who is just as in it as you. Like I saw something the other day and it was like,

I've got a man who, oh, I've finished work now I can spend time with you guys. is not, I finish work, I need break. Yeah. And there is a lot to be said for a man who does that and who steps up and helps out. Yeah, I've run home man. I saw in every other day. I'm so lucky I have a run home man. Yeah, yeah. But I'm a run home woman as well. Yeah, exactly. No, I think we say the same thing that we just genuinely enjoy each other's company. Like, I don't have to. Same. Yeah, exactly. I don't, like, don't get me wrong, I love girl time. Yeah. That's important. But I'm not. sick of him, like where I do hear...

You don't need time from him. Away from him. You need your girls, but you don't... It's not that you need time from him. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Definitely. Well, we've now reached the last section of the pod, which is another little tradition. It's called the unfiltered minute.

So I'm going to ask you some quick rapid fire questions. One word or a couple of word answers, so you don't have to do big explanation. Just the first thing that comes to mind. Okay. Short sentences. Yeah, short sentences or even maybe just a word. And yeah, so whatever comes to mind first. What is two words your friends or husband would describe you as?

Stubborn. Definitely. Stubborn and one more? Oh, um, forgetful. Okay. What is a small habit that you always do that you swear by that's really worked? thinking positive yeah nice um what is something people think about you that's not true um yeah i've thought about i'm just trying to find the word in english um like i can find it but being i can find

it in spanish either to tell you being self-centered i'm not at all it can look like that because I'm very serious, but I'm not, no, I'm not sad sentence. What is next for you? Work? Or? Like anything? A goal, you're something that you've got your eye on? A boat and moving to Thailand.

Wow, that did not expect that. I didn't even. Oh, watch this space, guys. What does growing together mean to you? Growing together, well, I think that should mean reading your best version hand on hand with someone either it's your partner or friend

or community yeah yeah great what is something simple that brings you joy sunsets we're talking about sunrise actually before I didn't know which one was which I mean

yeah and last thing what is something you want people to know about you that we've maybe not spoke about I don't know. There's probably more things I want to hide than not really. What do I want them to know? You feel like you've covered everything that you'd like to...

I've been quite unfiltered. Yeah, I agree. So, I don't know. You feel like you've got everything out? Yeah. I'm more empathetic in that, empathetic that it can look like at some point. Yeah. Yeah.

I think I probably get that a little bit. that I think when you do have that sometimes hard exterior or it takes a little bit to process emotions and read, yeah. I might not show that I'm empathetic because I think that might be hard sometimes for me. But I am feeling it. Yeah. Yeah.

You're more like, oh. Maybe too much sometimes. I have a good friend of mine that always tell me, you are too forgiving, which it tells me in English because we don't quite have a word in Spanish. Okay. Too forgiving. Too forgiving. Yeah, because when I'm explaining someone's behavior, bad behavior towards me or someone I know, I always find an excuse for them.

So she tells me, you're too forgiving, she's done wrong and you know that. But that's your positivity in you as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's that your mindset of that trying to be not negative on anyone. Yeah. Just see the positive side. You know, it's okay because of it. They only did it because of it. I think that's a trait that can go either way because you can absolutely be taken advantage of. So that's why you have to be careful. But I think actually, taking the time to understand and sometimes give excuses for why people have done it is I think sometimes it's actually helps you process like it's not personal to me like we spoke about like I get why they felt like that or they've done that yeah um I think can sometimes help you

deal with a betrayal or broken trust and so it's not a bad thing completely but yeah I can see why you have to yeah yeah for sure Well, thank you so much for covering on. I've loved this conversation. See, I could go on forever. We do so. I know. You'd probably go on.

Yeah. I've skipped questions now because I was like, I want to at least cover different areas. But it's been a really great conversation. I think exactly the embodiment of a woman that we've built this community for. I'm sure a lot of our followers are going to relate to loads of things. things that we spoke about today. And I'm sure in all the different areas we've covered, we've been able to help people, which is, you know, what we do.

I love how honest you've been. I'm good lighting some things that sometimes you don't say out loud, like miscarriage. It's like where you are now, but you've been so honest of where you want, what you've gone through to get there. And, you know, not everyone puts that in. So real. Yeah. So, yeah.

And then at the same time, unapologetically be like, I've built. this and I've made it happen for me and yeah I am truly happy in all these areas and this is an area that I want to get better at it. It's just really refreshing to have like I say the honesty see the behind the scenes of what it really does take to do it all and have it all and no I've loved it. Thank you very much for coming on. It won't be the last time no no I'm sure you won't no maybe next time we'll have to dial you in from Thailand yeah not that fun well we might we might have to fly over down in person. Yeah.

But great. No, thanks for listening, guys, and we'll catch you soon. Have a good weekend.