The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - These Moral Dilemmas Will Split You Too...

Episode Date: June 28, 2026

Some decisions don't have a right answer...In this episode of The Rising's Growing Together, we're reacting to real-life moral dilemmas that had us questioning everything.Would you donate a kidney to ...your sister if you were the only match?Would you choose your dream job over your marriage?Would you lie for your best friend after they cheated?Would you let your 18-year-old get cosmetic surgery?Would you refuse to swap seats on a plane for a family?Some of these completely divided us... and we want to know where you stand.👇 Tell us in the comments...Which dilemma had the hardest decision?❤️ Don't forget to Like & Subscribe if you enjoy honest conversations, real opinions and relatable discussions.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi guys. Hey! Welcome back. I thought we'd change it up today. Yeah. Rather than do the typical what we've been up to. You've got your book out. I've got my book out.
Starting point is 00:00:12 I've got my book out. I think we should do like another little game. Yay. You've not done a game for ages. Love it. And I do like the game. I like this. I love doing this.
Starting point is 00:00:22 I don't know why I'm excited. I don't even know what's on the paper. The game today is dilemmas. Okay. So we're going to be giving. advice to some people. Will they take it? I've got a few scenarios.
Starting point is 00:00:36 So, yeah, see, but these are quite hard ones. Whereas normally when we've done games before, it's like, well, obviously, that's the asshole. Okay, yes. This one is something to really think about. Yes, difficult one. So the first one, this one, even when I wrote it down, I was like, oh, I don't even know what I would do. So the first one, I've refused to donate a kidney to my sister. sister. So my sister needs a kidney transplant. I'm a match, but I'm a single mum with three kids. So the thought of
Starting point is 00:01:10 potentially leaving my kids without a mum, if something was to go wrong, is too much and I don't want to donate a kidney to my sister. My family are saying that I'm selfish and that I should. What do I do? Ooh. My instant thing would be like, give your sister a kidney. But any surgery, there's potential risks and if you've got three kids that don't have anybody else over you. I mean, it doesn't, surely it's not the BN, BN, what's the, what's the, B all and end? For her sister. Surely there's other matches for her, I'm presuming, I can understand partly the anger
Starting point is 00:01:49 from the family but also like, that's really unfair. How dare you put that pressure on someone else? Yeah. But then at the same time, if your sister's really sick, how can you not help? her. So it's like, I get that pressure. But then would it not put her life, not just for surgery because any surgery going under is a risk, but then she's only going to have one, what was the organ? Just checking the organ.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Most people can live with one kidney, so that's why they allow you to do surgery. So I'm guessing the sister has none. This has none because she can't. Well, not working. Yeah. That's why she needs one. Or is she, is the sister going to gain? She can have more than the other sister.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Well, obviously the kidneys that she has don't work. But yeah, she's probably still going to have two kidneys. Yes, I'm saying. So the sister's only going to have one. So if the sister actually ever had any kidney problems later. Yeah. Who's going to match her? She don't have two.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Her. Yeah. So, like you say, first off, I'd be like, she's sister. No brainer you say of her life or whatever the situation. Do not I mean? Usually it's life-saving. Yeah. But then, to be fair, with the explanation of why she would not want to or feel confident in going
Starting point is 00:02:58 in thinking about it. Yeah. I make her right. I make a right and I make a family really wrong actually. Do you? Yeah, I actually do because I just feel like unless there's literally no, like, let's just say there's no other option and without it, this sister's going to, you know, not be able to continue alive. And even so, this sister's still going to be healthy and fine and nothing, there's no risk, high risk for this, whether it's now or in the future. Yeah. Fine. Fine, fine.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Yeah. But also it's not, is it? Come on. We all know when they sit us down and if anyone's ever been under just general anesthetic, that fear of all those risks that can happen. Yeah. Do you get what I mean? And I think that's a little bit. I think it's because the family are obviously thinking it's going to be fine. Yeah. It's going to be fine. You just have the operation. You wake up and you go about your life. You can live with one kidney, no problem. Like when you say it like that, but like you say, for people that have been under surgery, and probably how it's all been explained to her by the doctors is like, actually this is a lot bigger, more serious. Like, yeah, you're cutting one of my organs out of my body. Like, this is a big thing.
Starting point is 00:04:12 And I think people do minimise, like, oh, just do it. But at the same time, the way things are nowadays and the way surgeries, even these surgeries, you know, even what's it called? Organ donor. Yeah, transpire weather. Yeah. that, you know, how these things are happening so frequently and, you know, day to day, that it is so normal to have that done.
Starting point is 00:04:39 And I'm not being funny, but until it happens to you. Yeah. Well, that's it. I think everyone's going to be like, give your sister a kidney. But then like, okay, if tomorrow you had to go under surgery, would you be cool with it? Yeah. I actually know. Presuming that everyone else has been tested and they're not a match.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Yeah, exactly. If you're the only match and the other option is for your sister to go on a wait list and wait then I would say, look, if she's not in dire need of it happening now then maybe, yeah, go on the wait list, see what happens because she might get donated from someone who's recently passed away who's a donor
Starting point is 00:05:12 and then that way, like, problem solved. You don't have to do it, but she's saved. So maybe try that. But I think at the end of it, if it gets to a point where it's like you're going to have to do it or something's going to happen. You're going to have to do it, right? Yeah, I would, exactly that.
Starting point is 00:05:27 would believe that that person would, to be honest, because surely she wouldn't have been tested to be a match if she didn't initially think about it. But then when you have actually time to really think about this situation... And it gets explained to you. And not just thinking it of that side of saying, my sister, wait a second, I have my life too and my children. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:48 You know, and then what? Yeah. You know, without sounding selfish, you have to be sometimes selfish. Yeah. For whoever that, you know what I mean? it's a genuine reason that I totally get like protecting your kids going through unnecessary surgery for you. And she's a single parent.
Starting point is 00:06:05 She's a single parent. Either way. There's no dad around. So at the end of the day, if anything happens to her, her kids are then orphans. So you either go into care or hopefully some family who have forced her into the operation will take care of the kids. Yeah. But I think, I think I don't think I would be strong enough to say no.
Starting point is 00:06:25 even if I didn't want to. I probably wouldn't have it. No, it's hard to say, isn't it? Because you genuinely want to help your sister, right? Yeah. I would want to give my sister a kidney. Yeah. But I would be scared too.
Starting point is 00:06:36 I would have to weigh up everything. Again, being selfish. I would have to weigh up everything on my thing. I'm not being funny, but sister or no sister. If it's going to take my fucking life, you can just thud right off. I'm more important than you. But if it was explained to me in the fact that, come on, it wouldn't be really put forward to them if it was going to be surely such, so,
Starting point is 00:06:55 It's going to be small, minimal risk. Is it more life threatening than my sister doesn't get my lung? What is it? What is it? Kidney. You can't give someone your lung while you're alive. Then, yeah, I think I would definitely, definitely think about it more, should be said. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:14 That's a hard one though, that. It's hard because you'd want to not do anything to put your kids in harm, but at the same time I think I would still have to want to. And I think, like, say, even though, my kids wouldn't be left like with no parents. Like I would imagine even Liam would be like, yeah, I want you to save your sister. But at the same time, like, I don't want you to die either.
Starting point is 00:07:34 So it's not just you. Like there was a TV show that I watched. And the wife wanted to donate her eggs to her sister because her sister couldn't have kids. And the husband was like, absolutely not. And I agreed with him. Because obviously for my brother, we've had the conversation like, would any of us be a surrogate?
Starting point is 00:07:55 Not that he's ever asked any of us, and I don't think he'd even want one of us to do. I think he'd rather a stranger. It's a bit, and I don't think sometimes it's too much when it's too close to family. But surrogacy is one thing because I'm not given, that child is not dying DNA related to me. I'm just the oven.
Starting point is 00:08:14 So that I would be for... Really? I don't know... I feel like going on to a... We're going on to another scenario. That I would consider. That I would consider. Not necessarily say yes
Starting point is 00:08:27 because again I'm getting older and like pregnancies get more high risk. But I would consider that because it's not related to me. This other woman wanted to give her sister her eggs. That is your actual child. I see what you're saying. That is your child. I don't see it like that though. I feel like if you're carrying it, you've got that different bond.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Whereas for me, so the egg, isn't it? I don't know, it's not. I know it's not. See, I'm the opposite. it. But I just feel like if that's my egg, that's my DNA, that is my child. But just giving birth to a child.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Yeah. It's not just giving birth, you're growing it. You're growing it and giving birth to it. You're literally connected to it. Yeah. I get that. And I would definitely have a much deeper relationship with that child if it, you know, if it was to even give away.
Starting point is 00:09:16 But I don't think I'd have a problem giving away a child that I knew that wasn't biologically mine. Hmm. I don't know. Especially when the whole point of me doing it is, knowing that I'm going to give it away. Yeah, I think that's a really special thing to do as well, you know. Surrogacy, like, thank God people.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Yeah. Do you get what I mean? Thank God people are surrogates because, like you say, there are situations where people can't carry for themselves. Or like you say, in my brother's case, him and his partner can't carry a child. Cool. So, yeah, thank God there are surrogates out there. But, and even egg donors, like, there are situations where they would need an egg donor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:51 So, yeah. That's just. Yeah, no. It just really made me think because I was a good scenario that's gone off. It's kind of shocked me actually. It's got completely off the question that you asked me. But yeah, it shocked me that you would do that. Well, I'd consider it.
Starting point is 00:10:05 I'd love it. I'd change it now. I'd consider it. Because seriously, like I've done it three times. Yeah, but not for me. I'm so selfish. Fuck you kid me. Fuck you made me.
Starting point is 00:10:19 No, no, I'm serious. Do you know, because I just, I genuinely feel that I would become. But you enjoy being. pregnant and everything as well. I have the worst pregnancies though. You do have a bad pregnancy but I do like being pregnant. Yeah. I just feel like I would get connected whether it's my egg your egg or whatever's egg
Starting point is 00:10:34 it's here for me. I don't know maybe I couldn't be who knows but yeah it's funny isn't it because you're the opposite then you think you'd connect to it just growing it and I don't think I would. Yeah whereas if my egg was in someone else yeah and I wouldn't I don't feel like
Starting point is 00:10:50 we've got a friend who's donated eggs and it's like yeah she could potentially have kids that are hers walking around the world that she don't even know about. Whereas I wouldn't feel connect. I don't, I wouldn't feel that connect. Do you know what I mean? I get there's no real connection because you just donated and then it's like off in the oblivion somewhere.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Yeah. But at the same time, that is your actual DNA. Yeah. Until you see them maybe, if they were very similar to my own, I don't sound stupid, but maybe you would have this kind of feeling. Yeah. Because obviously if you had someone else's egg, as they, you know, they've got no, they don't, you know, figure it.
Starting point is 00:11:26 They're not, you know, whatever. But, you know, first off, I'd be like, no. So I couldn't do that. Yeah. But I think that's really special for the people that are. So well done, because without you, if everyone was like me, fuck me, really.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Jeez, no organs and no babies. No, it's hard, it's hard. Definitely, like, difficult. I don't think any of those decisions would be an easy one to make. And I feel like I've been very selfish. Because they're impacting you for someone else. That's why.
Starting point is 00:11:54 there is that potential unknown impact on yourself. And that's a big thing to really commit. Yeah. And it's funny because not that. Your feelings could change so quickly. Yeah. And you don't know how you're going to feel. Like I say, I would imagine I wouldn't feel that.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Even with the organ thing, I know it sounds stupid. It's different of growing a child, obviously. Yeah. Even with, imagine actually going right up to the end and then thinking, I actually don't want to do this. Mm-hmm. How could you go, how could, like you say, how could you say, I couldn't, when this person is holding on to everything.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Yeah. Yeah. For this. Your relationship would never be the same again. Like, because as the sister who's ill, like, how can you actually not do this for me and leave me like to potentially die? No, I don't know. I feel like the sister, I feel like the sister would be more understanding than the family is at this, in this situation.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Because if I'm, the family are pissing me up, actually. Well, I think about that comment. The family are like annoying me. Yeah, they're emotionally blackmailing her into it. their um desperateness is that word desperation desperation but you know at the same time here let's just put it into the bigger picture and i think i get the desperation and i get the the really like wanting it to happen but at the same time you have to consider both people in the situation my answer would be how you feel because do you know what it's if it's the right decision
Starting point is 00:13:18 because it's your decision like that look at your little Quote for the day. Take that, Phil. Take that with your little quip. You said that actually something similar in the last interview episode that we've done. It's hard to know if you're making the right decision, but if you're confident in that moment that it's the right decision, that it doesn't matter because it's the decision you've had to make.
Starting point is 00:13:42 You know, I'm not going to lie. I feel like I need to admit this now. It's actually from lingo. The presenter says it to the people when they decide which way to go. Oh my God. It's the right decision because I heard it. I was like, I love that. That is.
Starting point is 00:13:56 It's true. It's, yeah. For people like us. I've got it off a game show, but it's true, right? For people like us that really struggle making a decision, like I think just telling yourself that it's the right decision because it's the decision that I've made. At that time too. At that time.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Do you get what I'm saying? Because you could look back and go on. You know, maybe I shouldn't. But at the moment, when you make those decisions, you're making them in the moment in the right for you. Yeah. I mean, and I believe in that way, I think she should do what's, she should do what. She should do what's right for her and her children.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Well, she's saying that she doesn't want to do it. So she should just stick to her guns. Then she doesn't want to. Well, not that she really doesn't want to, but she's more worried about her kids. Yeah. Well, then I would weigh it up, get it clear, really get it clear. Yeah. Then see how you feel again.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And if you really still don't feel it, then put all that energy and love that you do, you must have for your sister into finding her another match. We don't know. She could be a bitch. She might not really love a sister yet the family's putting it on it just because she's a match. That's true. Like, I'm thinking what I'd want to do for my sisters.
Starting point is 00:14:55 Because of that. I like my sisters. But there's some sisters out there that, like, expect it. And we don't even have a good relationship. Exactly. You just never know. It's like a, like that presumption. Can't get my words out today.
Starting point is 00:15:05 It's a bit of Spanish, wouldn't I? Yeah. Right, let's move on to the next. Okay. Do I choose my dream job over my marriage? So, I've been offered my dream job. But the problem is it's abroad. My husband's got his career and everything settled
Starting point is 00:15:21 in the UK and refuses to move. I've already turned down this job once before and I regretted it. I don't want to turn it down twice and resent my husband for it. But if I choose to take it, this could be the end of my marriage. Wow. I think it's a bit not very fair of the husband to point blank refuse. I think to be fair, even if they did a trial, he should support, wife in her dream.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Yeah. Because he might like that change or whatever her thing takes them. Yeah. Does that make sense? Understanding he's got his career too, wouldn't he not just support her and go, right, okay, I'll have to stay here. You go and do your thing. I can come as I possibly can to be there to support you as you come back to support me. But I would never hold you back.
Starting point is 00:16:19 Does that make sense? So I think that's very unfair of the husband to do that, which would make me question my marriage anyway, actually. Does that make sense? It would me. It would really put me in a position where, like she already said, like I've regretted. Yeah, she's already done it at once.
Starting point is 00:16:34 So you've already passed it once for him. Which means you've already supported his thing at one time. And you're worried about resenting him, which 100% you will if you refuse your drug twice. I agree. I agree. So I think if I was in that position, I would expect Liam to be like, oh my God, how amazing, take it, we'll figure it out.
Starting point is 00:16:54 Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly that. Because really they should be reassuring you. Yeah. But it's going to, this is an amazing opportunity. You've always wanted this. Yeah. You missed out on the last time and I'm sure that was because of me.
Starting point is 00:17:06 I'm not going to have that again. I don't right now want to completely do it. Yeah. Go on me and all on with you on it because obviously I've got my thing here. That doesn't mean our marriage can't continue. Yeah. Let's just try and figure out. Just try and succeed our dreams, you know.
Starting point is 00:17:21 And at the end of the day, it might be what you think is your dream job. You might not like it. It might work out that she doesn't. And then all the other way that the husband might actually, you know, whatever that changes. Get to go over a bit and new opportunities could come up for him. He might be able to look at moving his, you know, job somewhere. Yeah, no, I think point blank refusing would piss me off. Yeah, same.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Like you, especially like the second time round. Yeah. Like I put my dreams on hold. Do not make me do it again. No, I'd say take the job. Take the job. Try and figure it out with your husband. And if he's really refusing, then fucking divorce a man.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Which is exactly that. Divorce him. Yeah. We're really lying here. We could be making them because if you take the job. I don't care if this is the husband or the wife the other way around. Agreed. If you have a dream.
Starting point is 00:18:08 In that situation. And you've passed it up once to make it work, you should absolutely be in a position in your relationship where we try, we figure it out. go for a bit, you know, let's just say a year and then after a year we make a decision on, you know, what we're going to do. Not, not, not, don't even take the opportunity. Take the opportunity. We'll figure it out and after a year, if you're still loving it and I'm still here, then we need to make a decision because we can't do this long term. Like, that's fine. But you can suck it up for six months to a year. And then after then, you both need to make a decision.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Because it is, it is possible. It's not like the situation. It's like, no, that's not possible. It's possible and you should be making it happen for your wife or husband whatever the situation of them being so go for it i would say and whatever happens from there happens from there because it's clearly meant to be yeah 100% um okay my best friend cheated and asked me to lie about it my best friend had a one-night stand instantly regretted it and confessed the whole thing to me last weekend well and told me to keep it to myself last weekend her husband point blank asked me to my face if something had happened, I lied. Is that loyalty or is that just not being a good person?
Starting point is 00:19:27 Personally, I'd say loyalty. Sorry, people. I would never rat on my best mate for whatever. Yeah, but what if, like, it was Liam? You're my best friend first. I know. But you do have a good relationship with Liam as well. I think it's easier if you don't really know the husband.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Yeah. If you don't really know the husband yet. Not that actually that changes like... No, but I think when you do have a best friend, their husband becomes your best friend. You know, in a way, not like that, but you know what I mean, in that way? Like, I think I would struggle to not say something to Mitch.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Even though I'd want to keep loyal to you. If it was a friend I didn't really know the husband, fine. Like, I've actually been in this position. They don't know. I've not said anything ever. But if it was Mitch... But I don't know if I could... I've also been in a situation before.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Especially if he looked at me in the face and said, did something happen? Then, oh. No, but I've been in a situation before where I've told someone about a situation, and it backfired on me anyway. Do I mean? Everyone fell out of me for that reason. I was like, oh, fuck you, I won't tell you anymore. Fuck you.
Starting point is 00:20:28 You know, whatever. You know? So I can see how you wouldn't want to be in that position again. It's a hard one. Well, my first thought would be no. Yeah, no. My girl's my girl, to be fair. That's what I, but I would probably strongly recommend her to think about what the
Starting point is 00:20:47 she's doing first of all because don't do shit like that. I don't care what, I don't agree with it. Because what if this happens again? That's what I'm saying. Why have you done it in the first place? Like, that would make me question how's your relationship. Like cheating once and regretting it is one thing.
Starting point is 00:21:03 But I think if this then comes into like cheating twice, cheating three times and you're still not telling your husband, at that point are you like, look, you're my friend but you're wrong. You're slag. You're slack. Then, yeah,
Starting point is 00:21:17 that point it's not a mistake you're repeating it so i think i'd make them wrong then you would tell the husband yeah yeah sorry but well you'd warn the person first don't keep making the mistake yeah you know i'll keep it one i'd just be like you're not happy you're cleaning that happy so why you're yeah you don't need to do i mean if you don't want your husband then then let someone else i don't exactly i mean like yeah it's just not fair i just i don't i don't i just feel like i don't agree with situation and you've obviously realised you're not happy. Clearly. Then just let that person be free and, do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:50 And be happy because, yeah. So my first thing would say I'd back my friend because just because. You do. Just because, you know right? Yeah. But I feel like I'm going to lose all my best friend's husbands now for this. They're not if you're going to trust anything I say. No, but seriously, I would.
Starting point is 00:22:07 It's my girl situation. That's my first answer. Yeah. But then around it, it would really make me. question her, their relationship. Are you obviously not happy? Why have you done this? What the fuck happened? Like what is going on? Because me and my friends wouldn't do that. So I would genuinely obviously question. Obviously you have certain friends who just, that's just them. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think you're right. I think instantly, yeah, it's loyalty. Keep your mouth shut.
Starting point is 00:22:31 But also where I've had an experience where it's backfired on me, I'd really seriously think about. Oh my God. Yeah. Don't be the messenger. As soon as the friends start, don't know, no, no. Go on. and I was like, I don't want to be put in this position. Yes. Well, it is. It's putting your friend in that position as well where she now has to lie to your husband every time she sees in. So it's not like, obviously you've got it out your system a little bit and you probably feel better for it.
Starting point is 00:22:57 But actually, you're probably best not to tell your friends. But also then I'd think, well, if the husband's already asked me, I feel like he obviously already knows something's going on. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. So my daughter wants a nose job for her 18th. My daughters hated her nose since she was 13.
Starting point is 00:23:15 So we're going on nearly five years of hating something with a passion. She's saved up half the money for the nose job. I can afford the other half. I'm just really worried about her having surgery anyway and also at such a young age. Well, we can actually both kind on this because you're both, you're not obviously, but you've got family members, haven't you, in actual that situation?
Starting point is 00:23:39 So I'll go on my situation because I've had that with my. my ears, obviously. I don't think I've ever spoke about it. I don't know. I must have. No, I don't think it's ever come up. Oh, well, I love my ears and my boobs, them. Not for like those reasons, but you know what I mean.
Starting point is 00:23:52 So. Your ears is something that I knew from the minute I met you at 14 that you hated your ears because they stuck out a little bit. Exactly. So it was just something that really, you know, I was never like proper bullied or. You were just conscious of it. I was just conscious. I would never tie your hair out.
Starting point is 00:24:08 I had a big brother as well. So obviously at home, he would definitely be saying stuff. You know what I mean? My brother believed me. Yeah, basically. But yeah, exactly. I was definitely conscious. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I definitely wasn't when I was younger because I was, something my dad said on my wedding speech, actually, about how my hair had to be so slick back that there could be no bumps, nothing. Yeah. So I clearly wasn't conscious at a certain age. Do you know what I mean? But I think when that was in fashion, we were probably under 10 years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:34 So it's when you get into a teenager. But I wasn't. So I wasn't so young. But then obviously maybe when I got older. As soon as you get to the age where you. I probably started understanding what my brother was on about to me. I probably just ignored him before that. And then I raised, oh my God, like, you're proper mucking me off.
Starting point is 00:24:49 But yeah, again, just becoming more conscious. So I had said for a long time I wanted it, I think for years and years. But it was never really something my parents had kind of often to put forward for me to have done. No. So if you wanted it, you got to do it yourself. And I did. And I did, basically. How old were you?
Starting point is 00:25:09 I think I was on second child. second child, so mid-20s. Yeah, early 20s. Yeah. Early 20s, I'd say. Which is not a bad age, I think, for surgery. And something like your ears, it's like if it goes wrong, it's not on your face. So I think it's probably a slightly easier surgery to maybe go under.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Again, obviously with even with that organ thing, my always thing is anaesthetic anyway. I think that's one of the, for me. So that worries you more than the actual surgery? Yeah, yeah, the surgery didn't worry me at all. Going under, it was the under. It was my fear. Although I'm healthy. Was that the first time you went under?
Starting point is 00:25:43 No, I had my appendix out when I was... But that was the only time. So that was emergency surgery. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's funny that you had a fear of going under. I don't know why. There's no reason why.
Starting point is 00:25:54 There is no reason why. Maybe from when they explain it to you. Yeah, maybe that. You know, maybe. I just don't know. Maybe it's just because it's that control of actually, you just never know. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:26:03 It's a bit like that in my head. It's not predictable, you know? So, yeah, that came from it. But I don't think she's too young. I've got her. I don't think it's, I think if it's something, I mean, in terms of clinical, surely the, the surgeons would soon say if it's too young to have the surgery done. Normally they take into account your mental state, don't you know? Yeah, and just the physicality or the clinical side of the growth, is it best to weight?
Starting point is 00:26:29 You know, like with orthodontics and stuff like that. Yeah. You're probably, yeah, your nose probably isn't going to change much from after you. You know what I mean? So I wouldn't, I'd, that for me, as long as that would be all right, I don't see any. anything with it because how old was one of your family members? Yeah, so Rick had her nose job and I'm sure it was for her birthday but I don't know if I'm saying this right. Was it her 16th? I would have gone younger but but go you it was either her 16th
Starting point is 00:26:55 and I can't remember which I'm I think it might have been 16 yeah yeah um so yeah even but I still don't feel that's young because even when I went for different consultations over the years with my ears you know because I've wanted it for so long but obviously again saving up and da da da and then I got pregnant, then I was breastfeedens, I couldn't go into surgery, you know, all these things. That when they showed you pictures, there was, there was children of, of Cason's age who'd had the surgery done, right up to my parents' age. I remember going into the hospital when my aunties had, definitely one of my aunties had their earspin back when she must have been like 12 or 13.
Starting point is 00:27:32 They were doing it on like the NHS. They must have done. Yeah, they do. Because my granddad wouldn't have paid for it. It would have, you would have been like, wait. But no, I'm sure she was young. I'm sure she was. I remember going and she had all this thing
Starting point is 00:27:44 around her head, I remember. Yeah. But yeah, no. I'm sure Rick was 16. She had a bump on her nose. A bit of a Cheryl Cole bump. So like I think nowadays we're so much more accepting of slightly different types of like beauty and stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:01 And yeah, teeth and that. Whereas I think, you know, 10, 15 years ago, it was one way and you're pretty, only if you look like this. So who knows if she was that age now, she may or may not, I don't know. But she, again, same situation, hated it for a long, long time, had a small bump and then had it just straightened out. I believe that she should because personally I don't think I would have changed my mind on any of my surgeries.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Yeah. I think if it's, oh, I would like my boobs to be bigger. That's different. That's one thing. But I think when you hate something, or if you hated your boobs, that's different. But if you're like, oh, I wish that was a. a bit more or I wish that was a bit less. Like, something, in my case,
Starting point is 00:28:42 I was smaller and I just wanted a bit of a lift. I'd breastfed three children. I was going to say, yeah, you weren't happy with your boobs. I'd had boobs that were bigger than my body from the age of bloody 15. Yeah, but yours wasn't like, oh, it'd be nice. Like, you didn't like your boobs because of everything. But also, the same thing, if you've got something in your head that you really just feel strongly about.
Starting point is 00:29:00 That's what I mean. I think it doesn't need to be, oh, this would be nice. That, you know, maybe you should think about it a bit more. Just the surgery. So, again, the risk. The risk. Yeah. Well, I get that.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I really do get that. But again, then sort of surgery is you can even do them, you can even have non-surgical nose surgery is now anyway. Yeah, sometimes they put filler in the top to straighten out the bump. No, but I would say let around it. I know it's hard. I think at 18, you're practically an adult. I know you've still got a lot of growing up and you think you're an adult in 18 and you're really not.
Starting point is 00:29:30 But you are pretty much at that point. And if your daughter really hates it, and like I say, it's the safest it can be. It's quite a routine surgery. It could change everything. It could give her so much more confidence. I think I'd struggle if my daughter was crying about her nose to say, no, you're not old enough. So, yeah, I think go ahead. She saved the money.
Starting point is 00:29:49 She's shown how much she, you know, hates it if she saved the money. You can afford it. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah, I think she's. Last one, I refuse to swap seats on a plane. So I specifically... Oh, well, I like this.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Because surely people have had to do it. I think I've had an argument. Did I have an argument on my hand? I don't think that was to do with that but you didn't, yeah, we were like, shut up, we're going to get kicked off the plane. I've been in this. Anyway, so I specifically pre-paid for my seat on the plane
Starting point is 00:30:19 because I get very claustophobic and I paid for an aisle seat. There was a family that got on the plane last and they asked if I could move so that the family could sit together. I politely said no and I got mutters under people's breaths and stares for it. Am I in the wrong? No. No. No, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:30:38 And I'm a family. Yeah. I have a family. Yeah. So when, if I don't book my seats together with, let's say, from, with the youngest. Yeah. I just say, because sometimes you, you have to. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Sometimes at a certain age, you actually have to pay to have the next to you anyway. So sometimes you don't pay because they automatically. Yeah. So either way. But anyone not in that category, say, that's, that's my decision. Okay. So if you make that decision, then fine. To not pay for your seat.
Starting point is 00:31:04 If there's somewhere there who wants to offer to have the. family together, that's great. Yeah. But I do believe if that person has booked and paid for that seat purposely because she doesn't feel comfortable wherever else, then why are you putting her in that position? Yeah. You know what I mean? I think it's very easy to just assume if you're a single adult in a chair, does it matter
Starting point is 00:31:26 if you move? Yeah. And yeah, I probably would be like, I'd ask politely maybe. And if they said no, I probably would be a bit like, oh. Yeah, but if I knew, look, I paid for this seat because I was going to say. Look, I pay for this seat because I'm claustrophobic and I'd be like, absolutely. I was going to say, to be fair, if I did ask someone and they said, and I'd be like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:31:44 Do you mean? No. But I agree, as a family, if you choose not to pay and your family can't sit together, people don't have to move to accommodate for you. But you can ask nicely. Unless my child's literally crying, like, I would judge the person for not moving. Which I doubt my children would be. I wouldn't kick off for them not to move.
Starting point is 00:32:02 But I would internally judge it for not moving and helping a family sit together. Well, actually, it wasn't me who kicked off. It was Sean, sorry, Sean. Wasn't me, was it? I don't think it was me. I just remember. No, because I was sat next to Sean. Yeah, I don't think it.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Was it not? Was it me? It must have been you and Ashley. Sorry, fun. I thought it was because I was asking you to move. They didn't ask me to me. No, no, no. This was on the way there because I was on the plane.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Or was it on the way back when I wasn't there? Oh, maybe it was. There was some, I'm telling you now. A situation happened. It was similar. There was a family that had asked to, to, we're going to have to clear. I feel like I need to say it now, but it was very similar situation of
Starting point is 00:32:39 that the family had come on the plane and were being separated, but I don't think the children were young children. Right. Do you get what I'm saying? So, Mm, all right. Yeah, and we pay for our seats.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Yeah, we did pay for our seats. We actually did pay for our seats so that we were together for the hendoo. Exactly. So we didn't have any fears or anything, but it's just more the point. Like, your kid's fine, you know? Yeah. Sit over there.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah. You know? I don't think I said it like that. I think I had more of a backup behind me because I thought like I'm just being a bitch now. No, I think it was the air hostess got shitty. Ah, okay. I'm sure, we're going to have to clear this up and come back to you guys,
Starting point is 00:33:18 but I'm sure the air hostess and it was more so like speaking to her for her having an attitude about something. Yeah, maybe that then. Yeah. Something like that. But yes. But in this situation, yeah, you're absolutely right. Staying your seat, especially if you've paid for it
Starting point is 00:33:33 and especially if you've done it because you're not comfortable sitting in it. Maybe you should have just gone, I'm really, really sorry, I'm up a fear and I've paid this seat for this reason, unless you can give me another aisle seat somewhere else. I think that. I think that's as most as you need to do. Look, if I've paid for an aisle seat for a reason,
Starting point is 00:33:48 if there's another aisle seat, I'm happy to move so that you can be together. But if not, I'm sorry. Especially when people have paid. I think if I hadn't paid, I'd be like, oh, whatever. If it's really going to cause your child to be uncomfortable, if you're just doing it because it's going to make your travel nicer, well I did this to make my travel nicer.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Yeah. Do you get what I mean? So yeah. There you go. There's the dilemmas for the week. I like that. I love that. Really love that.
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Starting point is 00:34:22 I might not think it next time you ask me. Might change my answer by next time when I would do think. But yeah, no, there were good news. Yeah, hopefully you liked that. And maybe you're in that situation. You could take some of our advice. But thanks for joining. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
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