The Rising’s Growing Together Podcast - Why Do Dads Call It Babysitting?

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

We dive into the real challenges of modern family life, focusing on screen time struggles and navigating gender roles in parenting. Join us as we talk about balancing kids’ digital habits, managing parental expectations, and breaking down societal pressures around parenting roles. Plus, hear about the frustrations of online shopping and the importance of creating meaningful family traditions.

Welcome back, everyone. Hey, everyone. Happy Friday. We're recording on a Friday this week. Friday, then. Saturday, Sunday, what? Had a Friday off. Had a slow morning.

Cleaned the house, the boring stuff. And, yeah, got ready for this. Yeah, I went to have a meeting, a venue, one step. Excited. I don't lose, but I've been there. At least you're an outlook in there. My children back home because they haven't been home. Or one of them, hasn't been home.

Like half-childless this time. and yeah now I'm here but I'm excited to go and be at home like you say get some bits done at home and yeah I do like the long weekend for like a reset I've actually got two birthday parties this weekend um which is a lot for us because actually just thinking who you want two with Lexi's one and then another friend's little girl's birthday um that we're going to this afternoon but we're we're quite lucky we did we can I say lucky we get away with not being invited to loads of birthday parties because I know some people's like every week

we've got a bloomin' birthday party and it's lovely but you don't want to go to kids' birthday every week. It does take up a lot. So we're touch with quite lucky. He's had quite a few invites recently but I think I've said this before he's not a huge birthday party person

so he goes to his close friends ones but when it's just that environment and the class and stuff we don't but yeah we've got two which are actual like friends of ours so he's really. that he wants to go, which is good. That'll be nice.

And just to explain to you all why I might sound a bit like a man, this recording. He's been on it. It's funny because you messaged me actually, like, what happened to your voice? What have you been doing without me? How do you have fun without me? I haven't had any fun. I had...

Last weekend, I had a really sore throat, like all swollen and sore. And then, you know, it's just a sore throat, a bit like chesty, but obviously it's not going to stop me. work on Monday. I had a meeting and a training session. So I must have been speaking pretty much non-stop from like nine till two. Stopped, had lunch. And then that afternoon I went to, gone. Completely gone. So I didn't even realize, as I was talking, it wasn't hurting or anything. But I'd obviously well overspoke on a sore throat. Lost my, well, it completely gone by that afternoon. I had no voice on Tuesday whatsoever. I had to move loads of meetings. Wednesday,

I had to keep just the important ones and reschedule others. I forget because a lot of your work speaking. It's talking, yeah. Yeah. A lot of the meetings I have, it's me talking as well. So some of them I'm just part of meetings, but others as like a one-to-one with someone where I'm talking a lot of the time. So Wednesday and Thursday, I kind of kept the ones that I had to keep. But even that two, three hours by yesterday afternoon, it nearly come back yesterday. It was nearly back. And then I had two, three hours of meetings yesterday. I used to go on like a voice rest, don't they?

I used to think, oh, what idiot's like, geez, but I get it. You try and use your voice when you have a sore throat. This is what you end up sounding like. So, yeah, it's kind of half came back and it's half gone again a little bit. But no, we're all good. A little husky. A bit husky. That reminds me of an episode of Friends.

You don't watch Friends. No, I've never seen. Friends, what's it called? Friends like sayings are wasted on you. No, yeah. No, there's one of them's like just a bit of a good task. But she just plays in a calf. She's not very good.

Phoebe. Phoebe. Yeah, yeah. I know Phoebe. Yeah, smelly cat. Yeah, there you go. Oh, look at you. Yeah, you were forced to watch that.

But she gets a cold and then she gets like a sexy voice when she thinks and she's like, oh, like, smelly cat. And then she loses her cold and she's like, oh, no. sexy boys. So I wouldn't say I sound very sexy, but... You don't call it husky, we'll call it exotic. Exotic, okay. Well, yeah, apart from that, what have you been up to? You're off now for some holiday. I've took a few weeks off.

Summer, it's Lexi's birthday week, my birthday week. So lots planned, you know, she's got celebrations with some other school friends. We've got celebrations with our lot and family. and then just the five of us and then we're going to go away I did actually book to go away which I said I wasn't going to do but speaking about children

especially children I think well in my experience as a child and for them being so excited to go back to a place that you're familiar with you know what I mean and areas and the same things that you do or maybe the friends that you meet

or you go back to every year or whatever it is the same restaurant. Yeah, because I was a bit like, should we not go and do something different? You know, no, no, no, we're not doing that. We're going to do something different. And they seem so disappointed by that

that I was like, well, why would we, why would you disappoint them? You know, they're asking for something that's not a lot. They actually just want the same thing. I used to be coming here every year. You know, that was all the camping things. If someone said I wasn't going to go camping that year,

I would be gutted. No, we're going to do something different. I'd be like, what? You know, so I did kind of think, right, okay. And as an adult, I wouldn't want to go back to the same place. I wouldn't personally. But, yeah. Some people like it.

Personally, I wouldn't. Yeah, yeah. Some people, too. That's why people buy holiday homes. Yeah, yeah. But there is something nice about that familiarity. I do get that. And thinking back to when I was a kid, yeah, you do get excited for that.

Again, if we had holiday homes, I don't know if it's because we're here. I don't, if we had holiday homes to go to, we would have, or like a camper van somewhere. You know, and we went to these holiday parks every year or every, you know what I mean? It would be one of those. You get to know everyone. You get to know their surroundings and, like you say, Pete Barrow. I guess the reason why kids do that is because if you're going somewhere new, how can you get excited as a kid when you have no idea what you're expecting?

Whereas we as an adult, like you've done the research, you've done the booking, you know where you're staying and, you know, as adults, you do go to different places and you find things on the way and that's part of the fun of going somewhere new. But as a kid, you don't. see any of that you don't you're not involved in any of the booking so you how can you get excited so as much as it was a no go initially just randomly i'm not really on my fine i'm sitting in bed late on my phone and yeah just kind of did it literally just a couple of days but they were so excited like are so excited they're most excited about doing like a uh uh it locked in a room

thing escape room stop you know escape room lock them in the cupboard The most excited about me, look at it, go to leave it on the road. And like a laser tag thing, which you could do anywhere. Again, these are obviously just the things that we do there. We play, like, tag on the beach at like midnight and, you know, different things. We could do that here, but it's just the things that we've done. I think that, like, I keep seeing, like, I just want to get dressed up and go to a restaurant and, you know, like, or be at the pool all day and then have a nap and then go out. And I'm like, we can do that.

We live in a place and we can do all this stuff you're doing holiday. But we're just not in holiday mode. Why not? It's different. And it's been different since we've ever lived here, especially as as children. I mean, don't get wrong, the adults might have been in holiday mode for the first month or two that they moved over. But generally, we were straight into school. Yeah. There was no time to even think of it.

When you live here, you don't, well, we said this before, you don't necessarily appreciate it. Or you don't see that as like a holiday or part of what you do because, like you say, you're at home. You're not in holiday mode. Yeah. So sometimes it is getting away from where you live. And you can just jump in a car and drive Because you can have all that on your doorstep You just have to leave your house

Yeah, exactly that And this is why, so obviously We've got loads of different things planned over the weekend And on Lexi's actual birthday We're having a holiday day So we're going to the beach Go on the obstacles, things As if he was on the holiday

Yeah Have a take a picnic, all that We're going to go home Have showers Have a chill Yeah And you're like, we're not You know, have a packet of lays on your balcony

It's out That is true. That is holiday. Peak holiday moment that is. Yeah, that's the thing. And then we're going to go out for dinner. Just like a little holiday day, you know. So I'm excited for that as well.

That's nice. But that's what I've been doing. They've got lots coming up. So I'm excited for that. I'll have loads of stories to tell, I'm sure. Next time we get together. But yeah, this week's more just been going. I shift obviously from month to month, even with me and Lexi.

I'm not thinking about my birthday. at the minute because I've still got this week to sort out. Yeah, I mean. So it's more just preparing for that, getting things sorted. I've got to sort my garden out. Well, yeah, with all the storm that we had and you're having everyone around at yours, you need to sort your garden out.

Yeah, really needs to. But no, we do that. Every year, it's focus on Kaysen's birthday. And every year, we nearly forget that we got married four days after. Literally, I think a couple of the years, we're like, I'll start a wedding anniversary today or yesterday. Yeah. Actually, it's generally my nan that reminds me because she'll give, well, she'll give, because she still does cards.

So she gives me, like, Kaysen's birthday card and she gives me a card for us. And every time she gives me, I'm like, oh, I love that. An anniversary. She's the one that reminds me that our anniversary is coming up. Because you never forget your next one, like you get together one, do you? Your wedding and a one, but the one that you get together on? Yeah, no, exactly. I remember that more.

I remember that more because it's around my birthday. And it's like a separate. Yeah. So how long we've been together from the beginning is essentially my birthday. Yeah. So that's easy to remember. So that one I don't ever forget. Because you're focusing again, like you say, K's and Kays and Kays and K's.

Yeah. It's like sort of casing out. And we're going to England this time. So it's like sort all of that out. And then, yeah, four days later was our wedding anniversary, which like I say we nearly always forget. And we don't do big things for wedding anniversaries. But at least like remind yourselves.

Yeah. Oh, happy wedding anniversary. still together whew, high-five because I'm not going to get getting any closer than that exactly not with the teeth in baby

oh please I don't even know if I don't even I want to say this but touch wood he's stopped waking up at four or five o'clock for like the last, only for like the last week but he's still up at six half six but that's if you know it's going to be six half six

deal with that it's not like half six is okay I can deal with half six Like six pains me a little bit. It sounds early. But at least it's not four or five o'clock messing about, like trying to get him back to sleep and all of that. I think you just have to go to bed early. Four or five, you've got to go back. I would.

I'd have to go back to sleep personally. Mitch would probably be up ready for the day, bright fresh, let's go to the gym. I don't tell you. By nine o'clock, kill me. Yeah, I can't. So normally when it's four or five o'clock, sometimes I just try and get a bottle and try and get him straight back to sleep. but if he is quite awake then sometimes

if it's me or late him we're up for an hour and luckily you know by one he's one and two months or whatever it is now he should be down to like

maybe one nap a day two naps he should be able to be up for like five hours at a time this boy cannot stay up longer than two hours like if it's past two hours he's been awake he's like

I want to sleep like he still sleeps three times a day but the morning one it's like it gets up six, half six, by half seven, he wants to go back to bed. Why are you even up? And it's like, just stay asleep a bit longer. And it's not an

hour, but it does make, I have to say, I'm not late, I don't lay until late, well, I can do it, but I'm not genuinely like the late thing, but it is, it's just that hour, from six to seven, seven is great. If he just slept until seven, he could be a bit, yeah. But there's people looking at it's like, you have no idea.

I know, my kid's up at five, you bitches. Every day, like jump in to go. Yeah, well, it was only, I think yesterday it was the first time Kaysen said to me, I'm bored. Ah. Which, you know, we're, how many weeks into the summer holidays now? I thought that was pretty decent.

Well. But I know some kids are really bad for that. Like, they just constantly need their parents to think of the next thing for them to do. We're quite lucky we don't have to. Mine can do. Mine can be. Don't get me wrong. And I can sometimes notice when I need to actually, you saying this, I see it on Danny Dyers or the Dyers or whatever it's called their podcast.

They, she was, it was her and a mom talking about. about how we've all become so thing. I think we have actually spoke quite as poor, but how we've all become so thingy on giving just something to do with the kids. Like it gets to a weekend and be like, oh my God, what am I going to do my children?

Yeah. You know, like an hour thing when we was a kid was going to the supermarket with your mom. That was your, that was the thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. There wasn't choices so much of a choice. No.

I mean, I find myself asking mine so much about, what do you want to do? What do you want for dinner? Yeah, we have. You ever had a choice of dinner? Never, yeah. We are... It's a table, really,

I've done eating. Absolutely. And then I'm finding myself, obviously, doing different things, doing different dinners for everybody or, you know, like you say, trying to fill time with stuff

because I feel like they have to be doing something all the time. And most of the time, it's not stuff that's... I don't know what the word is, but without big animation and a big... I don't know, I can't think.

of the word, like stimulation things, you know, why can't you just get these kind of feelings out of, you know, playing a game of cards or drawing a picture or doing a little adventure trail or, do you get what I mean? Them kind of things, you know, and I find that that's when children can create a better imagination and play better and find, you know, who they are and what they like and what actually they like to do. And rather than be told by some, you know, TikTok thing or YouTuber or. Do you get what I'm trying to say?

Like, don't go wrong, all these things are good and the things that can be offered. I'm not just talking about a screen lever, whether it's Xboxes, PlayStation, iPads, phones, not just talking about. I'm talking about other stuff that is there for children to do where it's kind of like, in a way I feel like, right, right, right, go and do.

You go and do that. That's going to entertain you. Yeah. Like, you don't have to do much. Sometimes I've seen some kids that are like, yeah, I'm bored. So then is the parents thinking of the things in the first place? So it's like they're not the ones coming up with anything

or having or being bored enough to actually think of something for themselves. The parents are doing it. And it gives that, I know, I feel like, oh my God. I did. I literally, I did the same thing. Casey said to me on boards and I gave him loads of options of things that he could do. So next time I'm going to be like, what do you want to do? I'm trying to think of the comments that my granddad would have said to me

and I said I was bored. Back in my day. But it would be like, you think you're bored. You know, like, try, try, I can't think of it now. But, you know, like that. Try carrying a bucket of water five miles. But, you know, just something like that that he would have said to me, that wouldn't have probably dared to say it

because I knew I would have got that comment back. Do you know what I mean? And it is with all the stuff that kids have nowadays, like we had a lot of stuff growing up. Our kids have even more. Yeah. Yeah, but my favourite thing was playing out. Yeah.

Just playing out my mates. Yeah. Nothing else. Not all the things that they've got in their cupboards. Yeah. You know, and all the things that have come up on... As teenagers, we meet up and we just hang out. That was it.

It's hanging out, isn't it? Just being together. Yeah. Don't need all the, you know, the who-hahs. Don't you know, they're all good. Yeah. I just feel they need to be a bit more of a treat. Yeah.

Does that make sense? More than a norm everyday thing. Yeah. Because I feel like, actually, they're becoming spoilt. The kids have become like a little bit spoilt. You know, like that kind of a thing. Oh, that's a little. good, that's boring.

Yeah. Are you joking me? What I've just, what I've offered you is like amazing, so exciting, fun, fun, but because of everything that they can get, it makes them... Well, a friend of mine said that she noticed... Not appreciative, I suppose, of what they have, what they've got. A friend of mine said that she noticed that the more screen time that her boys had, like more, like, annoying and like wingy and whiny and naughtier that they were.

So she completely took her back and the kids got better. Got out of it. I mean, Kaysen has a lot of screens, like, is what it is. I'm not, like, proper against it. But at the same time, various times throughout the day. It's like, right, turn it off now, break. And to be fair, the first few times he would winge. Now he goes, okay, and he turns it off within half a second.

Sometimes he can then go three, four hours without asking for it again. And then it is, yeah, he draws and he plays with his toys and stuff. So we kind of flip-flop between the two. When he was younger, he would play a bit more games on his iPad. Like when he first got his iPad, like matching patterns and things and puzzles and stuff. Now he's at the age where he's watching YouTube. So it is very different. I think that's why he is a kid that has a lot of screens

because he used to do a lot of educational stuff. And like even the shows he would watch were educational. Now he's got older. And it's all about, like, YouTube and gamers on YouTube. But it is just watching gamers, watch a game. Yeah. It's literally that. This is what noise makes.

Be fair, though. I'm watching families play with Barbie dolls in the house. And I'm like, why? It does wind me up, like, an unwrapping presents and things like that. Lexi likes sound things. So she watches things like car going over slime or car going over a breaking glass. Yeah. She's so thing on sound.

I did her do the other day. I was like, oh, she's all, can hear that sound. I was like, yeah. It just sounds like someone's rocking a crisp bag. dragging a mind, you know, like things like that. To be fair though, Kaysen watches gamers, yeah, probably 90% of the time it's, you know, a load of crap, but then he'll watch them like unlock something or do something and then he'll when he gets on it and then he does it and he's like, I just done it and stuff.

So, yeah, there's pros and cons and I'm not hugely fussed about it, but yeah, I think what I read the other day, and it's absolutely is affecting adults as well because every now and then Kaysen goes to me, screen break, mum, and I'm like, okay. because I'm giving him a break and I'm just doom scrolling you know in between you know obviously cleaning the house making dinner

sort of the baby out like yeah I might be doom scrolling every now and then but it's just funny how he picks up on it and he says it and I did read the other day the reason why you know we all want to not all of us but a lot of us the like-minded people like us we want to do better we want

we've got ambitions we've got goals we want to do things and yet, like, we've achieved a lot, but there's, you know, plans and things that we want to do. You know, eat healthier, exercise more, all the things that we know that we should do. And, you know, I do certain things, but there's certain things I want to, you know, do better at and improve at. Stick with.

And stick. I think that's the main thing is the consistency. I'll have a great day or a great two days, and it's like off the wagon for a week. Oh, crap. So, yeah, consistency more than anything. But it's like we know what we need to do. And I read that it's the, the dopamine, which is serotonin, like, all these things that go through our body that give us the different feelings that we have.

And dopamine is a really big one, but we get fake dopamine from our phones and like doom scrolling and stuff. And I saw an expert say that if you cut that out, which is obviously, you know, easier said than done. But if you cut that out, then actually doing all the things that you tell yourself that I need to do becomes. a lot easier but because we're a bit tapped out because we're over consuming so much information that it delays everything and puts it off and we don't have real dopamine and the real dopamine is what's going to get us to do all the things that we want to do which actually actually is real life isn't it yeah real dopamine is real life yeah i think dopamine comes from um being in the sun exercising which is living yeah like living it's yeah getting real dopamine and

is what's going to drive you to do all those things. But getting fake dopamine, it's like crashing after coffee. Like, there's things out there that can energize you more naturally. But if you have coffee, you'll hear it, but then you'll crash. And like sugar rushes and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's getting, you know, the serotonin, your dopamine.

And there's about five or six different types, which are really important for you. Yeah, so people, like you take those different things. Like them kind of things that you get from that, can't understand. And it is, everyone says that going to the... the gym is the worst bit but nobody ever regrets leaving the gym because your body's full of endorphins yeah yeah see i couldn't do the gym but i know i could get that out of like you say going on a hot walk or a hike yeah you know that kind of a thing yeah could get that feeling

well that's still exercise that's still the endorphins going through your body so yeah exercises endorphins dover mean is other stuff um but yeah that's what gives us the connection um so yeah we're so hyper aware of how much screen time our kids have but not have we actually Looked to how much green time we have. Well, I'm not big on it. I'm not so much. You're not. No, but I can find myself, you know, where, with the months of obviously looking stuff for, like, I don't know, school shoes or birthday presents or, you know, that kind of a thing.

I feel like I'm on my phone a lot, right? And it annoys me, really annoys me. Because I know I've got to sort it, so I've got to be on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I even get annoyed if someone's trying to talk to me because I'm trying to sort something, but actually... You can do both. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

But that can wait, but I'll talk to you. I'm sorry saying that to Casey, like, when I'm on my phone. Like when I'm on my phone and he's mentioned a few things, I'm like, right, I'm just having to sort birthday present. I'm just having to sort this. I'm looking at places for our trip that we're going to go on in October. Just so that he knows I'm not doom scrolling. Yeah, well, that's why we kind of, with our trip going away for October, we kind of, I don't want to use the word minimalise. But, you know, like we changed the style, should be said, of the hot day in that kind of thing of what they would enjoy.

So rather they're into these big attractions and all these things, we want to go into more of like a mountain village style and discover and have a bit more nature and a bit more unreliate on, like, say, the stimulation and just get it from connection between each other. You know, that kind of the thing. Oh, I bought a game, actually, that I'll bring with us.

So that's what we changed of our ago in a way because we thought, right, I think that would be good for all of us to have that kind of a holiday where we're not, there isn't attractions in our face, and stimulated by everything that is just there and do you know what I mean? Especially after they just had all summer by October they would have just

getting back into the routine and going to school and stuff but yeah I'm looking forward to that because the weather is like I say is normally quite nice we can do more outdoor things without it being too hot and yeah have that kind of time to bond and connect

and not be reliant on stuff just thinking about one I'm going to have one quick moan it's not really relevant to like holidays but just quick do you know why I said online, because I was on looking for birthday stuff and that. I am sick to death of nothing being in a shop, physically being in a shot, that I can see, that I can try, that I can touch. Everything is online. Oh, no, that's online.

What, only, can I not see it? So I have to order it to come to actually see if I like it, to see if, let's say it's a chair or a jump. I mean, it's so frustrating. I've gone, okay, I'm just whittling it down because the time this comes out, Lexie would have got a birthday present anyway. Yeah. I'm hoping. So she's asked one of these swingy chairs. Do you know what I'm about these egg swingy chairs there?

She's literally asked for like nine months ago and she's stuck to it. And I've seen loads in the shop. You know the ones in the shop you can't buy? The ones in the shop, if they've only got like one or two left, you can't buy them ones. You have to order them and then you go and pick them up. It is so frustrating. But then the ones that I've seen online in the shop,

no, so they're not from that shop. They're not from this shop. that you have to order them in. I've seen that in IKEA a few times. But can I just try it somewhere? Can I go and just sit on it? Because what if it comes and it's rubbish? And especially like the delivery,

there's a few things and stuff I've seen on IKEA and I'm like, right, rather than pay the delivery, I'd rather go up there because I look at the thing that I actually want and pick up a few other bits. But then it will say online only. Exclusively to online. I don't want it to be exclusively. I want it to be exclusively.

I want to see it. I want to feel it. I want to touch it. I want to, you know, like, it's really frustrating with these last two weeks. and then I left Mason to it because all of these things were driving me insane because I just couldn't go no one would give me a straight answer

you know like even just somewhere like how much is oh I'm not really sure you might have to go out it's really not a complicated question just how much is this or how much is that do you know what I mean just to get an idea so I kind of left Mason to it he was getting new furniture for his room new bed base and new bedside tables and whatever

I get it I think if I was his age I'd be the saying you want everything immediately don't you know like if something arrives you're going packing it and you're going to do it right there even though it's 11 or not at night. You know, but one of those things. So I left him to it and it's calm and this isn't a dig at you, Mason, by the way.

It's come and don't get wrong, it's all right, it's all right, but I think if I'd seen it in a shop, I probably wouldn't have picked it. Do you get what I mean? Yeah. Because it just, I don't know, it's hard by stuff online. It just really does annoy me. It's always the digital photos. Probably not disappointed by Sheen.

Yeah. That's probably the only online thing that I'm not really. So you say Sheen? Sheen. I say sheen, but apparently it's sheing. Sheein? Sheean? Shee in?

I don't know. Sheen? Sheen? Sheen. Sheen? No, it's shee in. Oh no, we're doing another one of these again. Well, at least you say it the same as me this time.

I'd say sheen. No, yeah, shee in, I think, is what it's supposed to do. Because it's Chinese, isn't it? Shee in. Yeah, but like. But we just say sheen. I call it sheen. I'm just going to try and do some kind of.

Someone said this on Instagram the other day and they were saying, it's not Sheen, is Shee in? Well, it's a bit like that car, isn't it? Or Hyundai. Have you heard the advert? It's not Hyundai. Is it not? There's an advert, obviously.

And obviously, that people have these conversations. So that could be Sheen's next. How do you say it? Is that it's, I don't even know how they say it, but Hyundai in the advert says how you say it. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know how they say it. There is a few that you're like when you actually hear it.

Oh my God. So I remember at a company I worked at, this was like 10 years ago. There was a guy with the Greek surname. Yeah. But he was in a different country. So, like, me and the people that I worked with always thought it was pronounced one way.

Then we met up when, like, the company had a get-together, and it was a completely different way. So I think it was like... Colacassidu, and it's Colacidu, or something like that. And I still remember the name. Like, that's how long ago. I think I've done that before as well. Oh, no.

There's, there was, I've done that once, but completely embarrassed myself. Completely. There was, again, went back to London for a work thing. And I had a list of names of people that I was meeting at different times in different departments. And I'm going to actually test you and see what you, how you pronounce this. Okay, okay, okay. English name, well, English, I've never seen it, but anyway. How would you know how you're going to say this, but I'm from Birmingham.

So my county is Warwick. It's Warwickshire, you know, whatever it is. Exactly. Or something around there. That's not fair. That's not fair. Did you say Warwick? Yes.

So as, yeah, Warwick, by the way, like W-A-R-W-I-C-K. I'm like, I didn't know where Warwick is and they all burst out of it. I would have been on the floor. Oh, that's not fair. Warwick. I did think it's a weird name. In what world is that a warring? Well, these courses, girls, that she can't say warwick.

Was that a fucking silent W in the middle? That's so funny that I actually know that, but it's the only reason because, because of it's... I don't know where I am from, but somewhere, like originally, some that's come up instead of I've had to write it before. Yeah. That's the only reason why I would know it.

Oh, that would have been me. Warwick. Warwick. It's just like you've got, so you can't say your house or it. So, you know, like, Warwick. Yeah, so I mean, I knew it, I knew it, as I said it, I don't feel right. That doesn't, like, surely that's not someone's name. I know it wasn't, it was Warwick.

So, yeah, completely embarrassed myself. But yeah, take the R out. Take the R out, and you'd know, wouldn't it? No, that's Warwick. That's even worse. You mean the second W. Take out the R, that's definitely Warwick. You mean the W?

Yeah, Warwick, I would have said, if they didn't put a stupid silent W in halfway through. See, Mrs. Morgan. I did listen in class. I do find myself like, now I'm older. I before E, except after C, you know, like the little things that you learn. Yeah.

But yeah, anyway, talking about wines. Wine. And moaning about things online. I've got a wine. That's babysitting their own children. Oh, the word babysitting. I can use it. Babysitting.

Or like, I've had it twice in the last week. They're not babysitting. Oh, where are the kids with their dad? Oh, he's looking after him, is he? Yes. Oh, that's so nice. I'm kidding, matching your reaction as well. Okay.

Sorry, he's the dad. Yeah, like, do you think if Leon's ever out working, I can't go to him, oh, who's looking after the children? Yeah. It's not like you, yeah. Their mom. Exactly. Imagine, oh, she's good, isn't she?

Yeah, she's choosing your dog. Oh, a lovely mom taking care of our own children. But when the dad seemed to do it, they get so much praise around it and so much, you know. Yeah. And we, I don't know, I think we take it, we don't take it for granted. We've just got such a, in our relationship, such a, like a half and half thing, you know, it's not like. I mean, in a way, I know that we're lucky with, like, you know, they are hands on dads. But in another way, like, we're not lucky because that's what I chose to have children with him on for a reason.

Yeah. Like, that's what I. expect and that in my case it should be like that and I know there's a lot of blokes out there that don't do their fair share that it is all on the mum so I know that happened so in in one respect I know that we're lucky but another respect I'm like I think why is the expectation of the does that they don't have to yeah I think it's that word and I think it's that reaction yeah to like oh oh that's that's good in he yeah why why is he so good yeah you know I look awesome as well he's brilliant that's yeah

Like he's my husband and dad to my children and da-da-da-da. Exactly. But please don't put it on this high pedestal because he's... When it's the minimum expectation of having children is that you take care of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We chose to have kids. We will take care of them. The comments that kind of make...

That's no dig to our partners. Yeah, no. Like I say, they are great. They are amazing. But it's when someone else makes that comment on using it. It's more not even... It's more generic. Like, it's not even against, like, me or Liam.

But it's like, just in general, like, why... Is there an expectation that blokes don't have to do their fair share? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I say, we're lucky that it doesn't egg me off that much because I'm not in that situation. But just in general, and when I see other people or hear about other people, I'm like... Even some dads would say it.

What do you mean? Like, I'm babysitting tonight. Yeah. I'm babysitting today. I'm babysitting this weekend. Yeah. Because they're going away or the... Yeah, daddy day care.

They're working. Whatever the reason is, do I mean. But... To be fair, I think Liam said that the odd time, but, like, not meaning it. No, but it's... But a lot of other people, that's, oh, is he babysitting? Yeah. No, he's taking care of his children.

I'm just, I'm with the kids. I'm with the kids. Yeah. Yeah. It's usually the people's coming that kind of makes you a bit like, like that. Yeah. Why? Well, I remember, like, even when Kaysen and even when Hayden's been really small, you know, when it's like they have a bit of a schedule and it's bottles and it's making them and the timings and like when they nap and all of that's quite important.

Yeah, see when they're little. And it's like, you know, I've had to go. way to work like overnight and things like that and stuff and sometimes people like oh you had to like get everything ready for him yeah like write lists and timetables no he knows how to take care of his children yeah I could just get up and walk and he would be fine the only thing that back then would would be the only thing that would worry Mitch was Lexi's outfits that was the only thing I had to get out which is fair enough it is and the hair he'd get on with the hair to be fair Liam just picks the first thing out the wardrobe there's

the outfits I'd come home and seeing the boys in. I'm like, really? He don't think he'd just grab. He'd tell him with Daddy. You think he's kind of blind, like grab shorts. That's how he dresses himself. T-shirt, shorts, you know, just grab. Grab a go.

So, yeah, the boys, whether it was a boy or a girl, they'd end up in. That was the only thing that I'd have to ever do. But it's, or just thinking then while you were saying that, or is it that the people who do comment on this way, is it because they, not used to it. Very true. You know, and they have to actually ask for, you know, I mean, to say ask, I'm not,

I don't have to ask, like, Mitch to have the children. It's more of a discussion. It's a plan. Yes, it's a plan. You plan it. You don't ask permission, you just plan. Exactly that. I need to do this, so can you do that?

And I'll do that and I'll pick them up and. Is it that they're not used to it? Yeah. You know what I mean? Very true. And if you look at from their point of view, then that probably is a bit like, oh, wow. Oh, that's good. Well, the only thing is maybe, we're not really probably much, mine are older, so it's different.

Maybe when they were younger, it's probably more, a little bit now, certain things, but like having a shower. So I would need to make a whole plan before I go in that shower and everyone would need to know I'm going in the shower and here's that and there's that and this is that. And everyone's happy for the minute, let's go. The minute I get in that shower, someone's knocking on that door by the way, Mom, you know what I mean? Or I need tuna or something like that. Yeah. But it would be such a big plan. Whereas Mitch, I just hear the shower on and he's in the shower.

Yeah. You know, like that kind of thing. Or little jobs that I want to do in the house, you know, that just need, I'm going to go off and do a little job in the house. Yeah. But my kids are old enough to do whatever they need to do in the house. Do you know what I mean? But I still don't just don't want to leave them.

I don't like that at home. But you know what I mean. And then I can't have a go because he's doing jobs in the house, obviously. But he's doing his own little thing somewhere. And he's got to be left for two, three hours because he's doing. been his thing. Yeah. Yeah. This was a big thing

when I first had Kaysen. And that's not a dick because he's doing stuff. Well no, it's definitely not a dig at them. I think if anything it's, it's our fault. It's our fault. It is. We should we go and do our thing then. Yeah. I've tried to do that. I got better at that with Hayden than I did with Mason. But with Kaysen

it was like, it's all about Kaysen, sort him out and then I put myself at the bottom of the list and then when I want to do something, like I say it's loads later and it's like thing Whereas, like, say, if I was to just get up and go, oh, watch him, I'm just going to do that. Yeah, no worries. But we don't do it for ourselves.

We wait till everything else is finished and complete. And then it's like, right now I want to do my thing. And if I said it out loud to Mitch, he'd be like, okay, well, just go do it then. Yeah. He'd be like, okay, why is it like a thing, you know? But like you say, you know, I think it's just the way that we're wired because I think that is just generally a mum thing because that was massive. and I used to remember sometimes I've had a few moans at Liam more so when I had case and have

I just want to do this or I just want to do that and he's like well what's your problem go do it do it exactly that I'm like I can't have to do this I have that he's like no you don't we feel we need to put everything in that yeah that was our own fault yeah it probably is and that's what I mean by is that then the people that maybe do comment these things or say it in those ways is it because they don't know any different I suppose you know what I mean

very well could be yeah you know having that as a team, you know, rather than having... It's just a society thing. I've seen, you know, clips of celebrities on the red carpet and interviewers go, oh, so where are the kids tonight? Are you going to ask the bloke behind me where their kids are tonight? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, people biting back, like, or like,

what are you wearing today? Are you going to ask the bloke behind me what he's wearing or are you going to, like, commend him for his performance? Yeah. Like, the women get asked where the kids are and what they're wearing. Yeah, that's amazing. the blokes, oh, your performance, and it's all about their achievements, whereas the women is like what you're wearing and wear your kids.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. It is true. Yeah, it is true. Maybe it's because it's like to feel that that's... It's annoying. ...that they can have, but more than that. Yeah, exactly. That's probably why, like you say, we're more than that.

Yeah. What about, talk to me about my performance. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? What's my next thing to do? What am I doing, yeah, exactly. Yeah, oh, I like that. On that note.

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