The Royals of Malibu - LATTES WITH LUCY E10 - Naivety and and Positivity with Edgar de Santiago (Isaac)

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Welcome to Lattes with Lucy, a special bonus series of The Royals of Malibu hosted by Stephanie Sherry (Lucy in The Royals of Malibu). Today, Steph, Emma, and Edgar de Santiago (Isaac) discuss how to end a relationship, how to keep your youthful positivity, and why Isaac might be the best choice for Ella. This show is different because we want to hear from you! Let us be the Lucy to your Ella Sinclair - and write to us your questions on life. Let us know what you’re going through, nothing is too big or too small, too scandalous or too cringe - whatever you may be going through, we want to hear it. You can write/upload your questions at https://www.emeraldaudio.co/latteswithlucy for a chance to be featured in the show. • Follow The Royals of Malibu on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/theroyalsofmalibu/) • Follow Stephanie Sherry on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/itsstephsherry/?hl=en) • Follow Emerald Audio on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/emeraldaudionetwork/?hl=en) • Follow The Royals of Malibu on TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@theroyalsofmalibu) • Explore more: https://www.emeraldaudio.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Just every week gets better and better. Emma, we are so thrilled to be here, aren't we, for yet another episode of Lates with Lucy? Yes, we have a very special guest today, someone who hasn't been on any bonus episode yet, but he perhaps is one of the most talked about characters of season two. Mm-hmm, we love him, we might also hate him. Edgar de Santiago, who plays Isaac,

thank you so much for being here. We love Edgar. Isaac is depending on your team. Yes, depending on who you are and your drama, you might love Isaac or hate Isaac, but we objectively love Edgar. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me.

How, you know, let's just like get to a hard hitting question right away, Edgar. Like, how do you feel about Isaac? And do you agree or disagree with how he acts in the Tram series? I love Isaac. Maybe I'm biased, but I think he was well-intentioned the entire time, you know, from start to finish. And he just found himself in a situation that was not in his favor.

And he worked his heart on his sleeve. He's had his life together from a very early age. And so he knows what he wants and he's not gonna stop until he gets it. Of course, we all do crazy things for love that we wouldn't expect ourselves to do. So I think maybe Isaac just wanted to do that. Yeah, I honestly, I feel like I might have suggested that I hate Isaac, which is actually not true.

I think Isaac is actually the most psychologically well adjusted, like the most like the the greatest role model on our show. So for those of you who maybe are listening, but like aren't quite caught up or can't really remember, I hope that you all do. But if you don't, you know, Isaac really, in my opinion, doesn't do anything wrong. He just like, unfortunately, is the foil to Reed, who we theoretically probably want her to be with,

despite all of the drama. And so yeah, I actually don't think Isaac has any kind of problematic behaviors. My only beef with Isaac was, I forget what episode it was, but when he just like shows up at the Malibu house saying that oh I'm Ella's boyfriend when like they never DTR'd. Wait that is weird I forgot about that he's like hey I'm here. See that that that's what I'm talking about it's like he knows what he wants and even maybe it's it was never like officially established but

like he's like I'm gonna be your boyfriend because I feel very strongly about you and I know you feel strongly about me so what are you doing mess you know wasting your time over here you should be with me just like so forward and maybe not really considering obviously like whose house you're pulling up to like what else is going on you You also are a new character in her life. So but it's all coming from a place of love, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

There's just like Emma, am I alone in this? There's just something about Isaac that like was kind of annoying. It's because he's too perfect. I think he's too perfect. But you know what? This is really like, just to like get real real. I have an issue sometimes with where I'm like kind of repulsed by like really nice people and that's my bullshit. Well, I think you're onto something like with a lot of love triangles, like sometimes they're

of course there's like the great like smart guy and then there's the bad boy It's like in Twilight like Edward and um Jacob like Jacob objectively is like the nicer sweeter guy like doesn't really have any problems Edward is the bad boy. But of course we want to root for the bad boy. Like it's what does that say about us? We love chaos. We love right problematic situations because it kills us To think that you have to be with the nice guy the rest of our lives like oh well, that's a little boring Why can't I have a little bit of thrill keep me on my toes? Yeah, I don't know how you identify No need to share if you don't want to but do you find yourself in your love life going for like the bad,

the bad individual or the, or the goody two shoes? Like in between. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that, you know, myself, I enjoy controlled balance chaos. Yes. In my life. So it's like, I think it's a nice mix of both.

Like right now, my girlfriend, Kiana, she's amazing and so thrilling. And she like excites a fire in me. And I know that I wouldn't get that from perhaps, you know, your paper cut goody two shoes. Yeah, yeah. We need a challenge, you know? Yeah, it's Sure. We need a challenge, you know? Yeah, it's that.

You need a challenge. You need somebody who's always challenging you, who's always pushing you, you know, in the best ways possible. If it comes up in not best ways, sometimes that's life, but like at least you're always being pushed to be a better version of yourself, being a better version of your relationship,

be just being more mm-hmm do you like I the whole kind of premise of this show is that Lucy and I are basically the same except she owns a business and I own nothing and do you feel really like did you feel like when you were like reading Isaac like is that you like is that how you talk or were you like for sure putting on a character parts I there were parts that I really identified with and then there were other parts where like, I'm not so forward like that to show me, like, I'm your boyfriend, what are you doing here? So I think learning what, like finding the rationale for that for me because I would not.

the rationale for that for me because I would not. I'd like to ask before, you know, showing up, but I think, you know, in the essence of, like in a regular human being, but I think in the essence of, you know, truly like knowing what you want and being passionate about it and sure about it. I really identify with him. Also like his upbringing, his dedication to his work is somewhere where I also identify. So in parts yes, in parts no. Yeah. Edgar, are you ready to give some advice? I'm not a therapist, but I can try my best. He's gonna try it.

All right, guys, so question one is from Riley, and she is from Canada. I have been dating this guy for almost a year, and I'm losing feelings, and people keep telling me that I can do better, as in pick someone better. I wanna end things with him, but I don't know how to. Knowing that if I do, he will be completely broken. Some background info, he's obsessed with me

and his twin sister is one of my best friends. And our one year and his birthday is in September and I don't wanna be a crappy girlfriend and break up on his birthday. Please help, I don't know what to do. Oh no. This sucks. She knows what we're gonna say, Riley.

Well, I have many thoughts. Edgar, do you want me to start or would you like to start? I'm giving you a choice. Oh, please, you go ahead. All right. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think it was Matt. Matt on the earlier episode said something along the lines of you really are doing them a favor when you,

I love, cause everyone knows, yeah, you're doing them a favor by breaking up with them, blah, blah, blah. But what I love that Matt said was like, you're doing them a favor by breaking up with them as soon as possible because you're releasing them to like fall for someone else. I never heard it explained that way.

Like you're always told like yeah you know like don't be lying to someone but it's also like give them as much time as possible to recover from this. I want her to maybe end this as soon as humanly possible to give this boy as much time as possible to maybe like have a semblance of a good birthday but that timing may not align but I just think as someone who's like received bad news in their life as all of us have I think though it absolutely sucks and is devastating and nothing can like possibly protect you from how hard it will be it is always great to know sooner rather than later.

And there is literally like nothing positive to come from waiting. I know it might feel like it because you're like, why don't want to ruin his birthday? And I'm like, totally. But here's the thing, like, let's say you do it like a week after his birthday, he's gonna be like, great. So all of these weeks like leading up were like a lie.

Like that might hurt more. Do you know what I mean? Like if you found out that someone's been thinking about this for like X amount of time, I don't, it's gonna, there's nothing you can do to save him from painting things in a negative light and all you're doing is a disservice to yourself. You know, like you say your friends are telling you that you can do better and like, like that to me is like less of an issue because like, you know, if you love him, like who gives a shit if your friends are like, we don't, you know, like to a degree. I think the most important thing is you are

losing feelings for him and that sucks, but you're really not doing any favors to you or him by staying in it half in half out. Yeah, I think I couldn't agree more with that. Especially on the idea of release. But there's also a semblance of like the energy that he is holding on to perhaps is what the relationship was because she's not living in that anymore. Yeah, that was deep. You're lying to him, but you're also lying to yourself, like, release yourself from any kind of obligation and any kind of holding on to what things were. Because also, the fact that all these things, all these major life events are coming up for him could also be this breakup could be a great catalyst

as I know like on my birthday, I'm super reflective of my life. I'm like, oh my gosh, what happened this year? So that could be a great thing for him of like, maybe this is his catalyst to further himself in his relationship to himself. And then for you as well, like let you deepen his relationship to himself, and then for you as well, let you deepen your relationship to yourself.

Because if you're holding onto something that you don't fully want, then maybe you're not being honest with yourself completely about that and maybe other things. So it's the best opportunity to just, fly, be free. Yeah, that's beautiful. I think Yep. That's beautiful. I think you guys are so right.

And I think I said this also in Matt's episode too. It's okay if you're no longer in love with them, but it was someone that you had a relationship with for a period of time. And I'd still think you owed them the respect to consider their perspective. Put yourself in their shoes. Like, would you want someone to hold on, breaking up with you? No, like you're wasting their perspective. Put yourself in their shoes. Like would you want someone to hold on breaking up with you? No, like you're wasting

their time. Be respectful of their time too and I would tell them as soon as possible. Not on their exact birthday but I think that's a good point too Edgar. Like it might be kind of nice for them to have their birthday a few days later when they're around friends and family and having a reflective time in their life. But I would end it as soon as possible. You're just being untruthful. All right guys, should we jump to a quick commercial break and come back with a deep question from one of our fans? Yeah.

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ambitions of my life and have been so positive about how things can shape up. I'm also starting to gain a lot more real world experience and that beautiful positive naivete is falling to the wayside as I get a little bit deeper into my career and love goals. Wondering if you have advice on how to keep that youthful positivity as we grow a little bit older and learn a little bit more. Any advice is welcome. Love you. Thank you. Emma can see I'm having a mental breakdown over this because I was just talking to her

about this. So I get confused sometimes because we record these a few weeks before they come out. So my podcast, In the Future, When This Drops will be out, which is literally about this exact question. Oh, I didn't even plan that. No, literally. Okay, so not to be so pluggy, but my podcast is called Never Too Late to the Party,

and it's literally all about how I'm 33. It's kind of funny though, because similar to what we're discussing with timing right now, when I started the pod in May, I was 32 and then I turned 33 in the process. So the whole thing just doesn't make sense because everything's out of order. But the point is, is I'm 33 right now. And you know, really just grappling with the fact that there's so much in my life that I still want to happen but hasn't happened yet.

And while I like totally believe that like all of these things are possible for me, I do have a lot of examples as I'm sure our caller does too, you know, of like watching each of your friends, like get everything into a row by 33. And so anyway, check out the pod. It's all about, I'm still lost as to when this is coming out, but theoretically my first episode

with my friend Gracie Lawrence is out. So go listen because we talk all about this. But to answer your question right now on this pod, at this moment, I so relate to this. And I think it's really hard. It's, you know, I think naivety and positivity, naivete and positivity are two different things. And I think I'm okay personally with the loss of the naivety, but I'm not okay with the loss of the positivity.

And here's why. I think that I am so good at wallowing. I'm really great at it. I could write a masterclass on how to just play the victim. It's a Jewish thing that's inherited from generation to generation. It is so, so easy and sometimes delightful to sit in it and also sometimes not, but it's so easy to just sit in negativity. It's actually so easy. It's the easy thing to do. The hard thing to do is to stay positive even when there is no clear path or to stay positive when there is, you know, like 500 obstacles in your way. And I think, I guess if I'm answering her question, which is, I guess, basically, like, how do you stay

positive? I think it's for me, at least, and this is just like a real time answer. Sometimes when really bad things happen to me, it's really hard for me to accept it. And like, I get really lost in the story. And I feel like an analogy I came up with the other day is like, I feel like I if everyone is like on a boat, and like life is a boat, I feel like I get thrown with the other day is like, I feel like I, if everyone is like on a boat and like life is a boat, I feel like I get thrown off the boat and I'm like at the bottom of the ocean. And I am just like down there, like just complaining.

And I'm like, why am I at the bottom of the ocean? And all my friends are like, swim, like swim up. And I'm like, but why am I down here? And it's like literally just swim up. And so I think, yes, like have your moments of like losing hope and losing your way and feel that and like sit in it, but then kick your feet off the bottom like the fucking Olympians and get to the top and breathe and figure it out. I think it's like, I guess what I'm trying to say is like what I'm really grappling with and trying to realize is that like positivity is a choice and and moving forward is a choice and this does not mean

you have to have the opposite thing happen where you're like it's toxic positivity and you're like denying all of the uncomfortable frustrating things that are happening but I just think when you're in your 30s and you're not seeing things fast enough in your relationship and your career, which I get because that's how I fucking feel, I think what helps me, it's taking me a really long time to get to my point today. It always does, but especially today. My point is, is that like the only way you're going to get there is not with like these fucking gremlins all

around you it's like by shooing them out of the way and coming to the top of the surface and so that's what I try to remind myself in being positive in moving forward it's not in like some stupid fake way it's in a way where it's like the only way I'm going to do this is in that headspace, not in this headspace. Does that make any sense to anyone here? Yes. They are nodding. I'm nodding and agreeing.

Amen. Amen. Say it for the people in the back. Say it again. The positive, typically more than anything. Um, I think this goes back to what we had mentioned earlier about the relationship to self and, um, kind of not lying to yourself and being fully honest with yourself, like what, what truly makes, what fills you? What, what makes you happy?

And that's not to be like a big thing. It's like, Oh, I wish this could be this way. I wish this could be this way. Yeah. Eventually, you know, into time, but it's like, what is happening for you right now? That is so amazing that maybe you tend to overlook sometimes. Like, for me, I love coffee in the morning. It's my it's my ritual. I do it every single morning. Just like this once it's the brew once it starts brewing, I get the scent that starts filling the kitchen, it's like, oh jeez, it's gonna be a really great day.

No matter what's happening, even if I wake up and I'm like, oh I'm so stressed. But it's like, small things like that, it's like, what are the things that make you you? And that, if you really lean into those things? Yeah, you'll find yourself in moments where you're drowning and you're like, I can't get rid of these gremlins. But then you'll be you'll remind yourself it's like, wait, yeah, these gremlins are around but then I have this and then I'm also this and I also done this and I'm right now doing this. And everything's propelling you forward to the greatest life that you could ever live because that's what we're doing every day is really relishing the opportunity that we get to live life. I mean, somebody said that it's more

likely for you not to exist than it is for you to exist. Right, like statistically. Yeah, so like you're already doing something really amazing by existing and It doesn't matter, you know what it's like you could be 85 and you could do something really incredible with your life that you never thought you could but because you kept that perspective of Loving yourself and being so capable and being so open to embracing

the life that you have. You do everything. I've been said, I'm not close to 30 yet. All right, no need to brag. I don't know. I mean, I'm just like, clarified like my perspective. But like, look at the perspective you have at whatever age you are like incredible. But yeah, I mean, yeah, naivete can stay at the door, positivete. Can that please be the name of the episode? Positivete. The good latte.

Oh my god, that was so good Edgar. Positivete and a good latte. Oh my God, that was so good Edgar. Positive, positive latte and a good latte. Emma. This question is so real. I feel like I'm really taking notes because I don't know the answer. I feel like also like sort of approaching 32.

It's something I think about all the time. Like I think I've led a very fortunate life where I've got to see and experience a lot of things. You know, like living in New York City, living in LA, like I've seen a lot of like crazy, amazing things happen. And it's, I've noticed like, I've become like less and less impressed with things as I age.

Whereas like when I was younger, every little thing would excite me so much. Everything would feel so cool to me. And like, I miss that feeling and I crave having that feeling more. And I'm like, I'm trying to self-evaluate like what, why I think that is. And I think a lot of it might have to do with like

my dopamine levels with like social media and TikTok and stuff, like needing refreshing. And I've noticed like spending more time in nature has been great for me. Travel nature has been great for me. Traveling has been great for me. Chasing different forms of wander less has been really helpful for me. But I'm still on that journey and I think it's going to continue to be a journey for the rest of my life. I mean, that's a great perspective, Edgar. I think it is all about perspective and having an optimistic outlook on life because life is beautiful and there are so many amazing

things to discover and just reminding yourself of that and reminding yourself of your blessings is so important. It's hard, especially like in today's day and age, I don't know, I like to blame social media for everything but I'm really starting to feel the ramifications of that personally. And I'm trying to fix it. Social media is so hard, it's so hard. Cause I think, and it's also like when you're at your lowest

is I think at least for me, when I doom scroll the most. And it's like, you're already in like such a bad place. And then you're just like taking in like what feels like everyone else who's like has their shit together and is so much happier than you. And it's really rough. Human beings are not meant to be exposed to that many people.

We're physically the same as we were at hundreds or thousands of years ago when we lived in tribes of around a hundred people. And when you're in a tribe around a hundred people, you're gonna be the best at something and you're gonna get all of your happiness and confidence from that. Like you're gonna be the fastest runner or the prettiest

or the best at making arrowheads. I don't know, whatever it is, like odds are you're gonna be the best at it. Now we're living in cities and with tons of people and on top of that, you're exposed to millions, if not billions of people around the world in social media and there's always to be someone that's better than you or prettier than you or has nicer clothes than you and it can be it can be hard. I think just our brains are not evolved enough to handle that. You have to control it. It's definitely something that's I think really gotten out of hand

It's definitely something that's, I think, really gotten out of hand. We didn't realize what it was doing to us, especially because I think it started a few years ago when we were all, you know, we were a little older, but we were still growing up. And you think of all these kids who like literally, they're seven and they have a phone and they have social media and they're being desensitized to the possibilities of life. I think what really also helps people who get to, experience life in a smaller tribe is like, there's this ambiguity of like what is possible

because you only know so much of what you've seen so then you allow more space for possibility in your mind to be defined by you but if you're scrolling on the phone and you see millions of people then it's like oh this is what this person would be like if they were doing this oh that's what it looks like to go do this oh this is what this is what this person would be like if they were doing this. Oh, that's what it looks like to go do this Oh, this is what this is. Oh, this is what my life could have been a mystery left Yeah, no mystery. And so then you're left with like Everything has already been defined and my life is defined. So if I feel bad about my life, but it's just gonna get worse and That's freaking hard

And that's freaking hard. That's so hard in this day and age, especially like being able to fully embrace the, which is probably a spirit calling for, to like being able that you can create of you just being on the planet and not being bombarded by all this noise that is everybody just trying to either push something or trying to make something up of what they want their lives to look like when not actually embracing what actually is. Yeah. You're so wise. I know we should have him on every day. I know.

Seriously. No, I'm just figured out. Like I'll like that's something you said's like, we're all figuring it out, like at every age and none of it makes sense, but then sometimes it does. And like, it's really cool when sometimes it makes sense, but most part none of it makes sense. It's kind of the beauty of it. Yeah.

Yeah. But don't let yourself be defined by your age. Yeah. You can do anything. I also think like my therapist says to me Don't let yourself be defined by your age. Yeah. Make them do the same thing. I also think like my therapist says to me all the fucking time that like when like where you're most frustrated and what you're like angry about in your life like is an indication of like what you need the most. And so I think the presence of like a lack of positivity, you know, meaning

likes negativity, I suppose, around certain things, it's just showing what you're needing the most. Like, you know, I'm this podcast that I'm talking about, which hopefully does come out, like, is the result of like a deep, deep jealousy and anger that I wasn't making my own work. Like it was like a deep despair. And I feel like now hopefully in some way, I mean, by the way, this show has been so amazing in that way, but I wanted it to be my own show

that I'm like putting out there. And so, you know, that will hopefully be fulfilled by doing that. And then I feel like secondary to that for me is like the lack of like serious dating in my life and the lack of serious travel in my life. And I feel like those are things that similar, you know, and then there's the fourth thing of like, well, I want to be a successful actor,

but those things, some things aren't in your control, but some things are. And I feel like travel and dating absolutely is there are elements to both that require things out of your hands. But I just think making everything as in your control as possible, while of course, understanding that not everything can be, but like really taking steps to to get those things and to not feel bad for wanting those things. They're nodding.

Yeah, you're nodding. I will verbalize that I am nodding. Snaps. I just love it. Snaps. Yeah, Edgar, I don't understand how old you are because you say you're not anywhere near 30, but you sound like you're 110 years old. So I'm honestly, this is like my biggest qualm is that like, because the people who produce trauma are so efficient, we are all there for like the least amount of time possible, at least I wasn't I didn't get to meet so many people like you Edgar who is amazing. And I just feel like this was really very inspiring

and very thoughtful and you've done a phenomenal job. A phenomenal job. Just thank you so much for being here. Really, you've been incredibly wise. Thank you for having me. It really is a great pleasure. Like you said, you know, the efficiency was amazing. But yeah, we didn't get to meet everybody. I know. They have a lot of really wonderful and talented people. But at least I get to meet you now you know and especially on this podcast is so much fun when you tune 110 life cheats what can I say no you know like like I said like we're all figuring it out it's really cool when we

all get to come together and make sense of some things and talk about things and maybe have a little bit of an influence to some people, you know, like anybody listening like, I love coffee, this is your latte, maybe this is the latte that makes your day and becomes a catalyst for you making some changes in your life. And if that's what happens, that's amazing. That's all we can really ask for, right? Is that everybody is able to take something away from anything and everything.

Get out of here! Let this podcast be your latte of life. Fucking god! That was fucking roka over here! That was amazing! I really, so see you guys next week when it's Lattes with Edgar and I will just peace out. Exit stage right. Wow, that was a really chaotic but beautifully perfect episode. As a reminder, we truly do want your questions. Please head to emeraldaudio.co slash Lattes with Lucy to submit your voice memo.

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