The Royals with Roya and Kate - Kate opens up about her cancer, William’s pint with Villa fans
Episode Date: January 17, 2025Roya and Kate talk about the Princess of Wales’s emotional visit to the Royal Marsden Hospital where she had her cancer treatment. Meanwhile, the Prince of Wales’s paid tribute to the nation’s p...aramedics and still found time to talk to football fans over a pint in a Wetherspoon pub. And why Meghan, Duchess of Sussex has postponed her Netflix TV show. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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So much has happened this week and we can't wait to get stuck in. And the biggest, most important moment, covering just about every front page this week,
is the Princess of Wales' visit to the Royal Marsden Hospital.
And it was a delight. Kate announced that she is in remission from cancer in her first
solo engagement since her illness began.
We've also had the Prince of Wales out and about, championing paramedics and first responders
and chatting to Aston Villa fans over a pint of cider in weather spoons. Yes, you heard
that right, more heard that right.
More on that later.
I'm Roanika, Royal Editor for the Sunday Times.
And I'm Tate Mancy, Royal Editor for the Times.
Welcome to the Royals with Roya and Kate.
My heartfelt thanks goes to all those
who have quietly walked alongside William and me
as we have navigated everything.
We couldn't have asked for more.
Those are the words of Catherine, Princess of Wales, as she visited the Royal Marsden
Hospital to say thank you to the staff who looked after her during her cancer treatment
last year.
It was a momentous day, coming just under a year from when we first learned that Kate had undergone abdominal surgery
and was later diagnosed with cancer.
This was a poignant visit to the Royal Marsden Hospital,
the cancer centre in London, where she was treated.
And she thanked doctors and the nurses
and the various experts there.
And following her visit,
the princess released a very personal message on social media
in which she praised the staff at the hospital
for looking after me so well during the past year.
In her message signed C for Katherine, she said,
it is a relief to now be in remission,
and I remain focused on recovery.
As anyone who's experienced a cancer diagnosis will know,
it takes time to adjust to a new normal.
I am, however, looking forward to a fulfilling year ahead.
There is much to look forward to.
Thank you to everyone for your continued support.
And we learnt a lot on this visit
about her own personal journey with cancer. We did, and of course we also learned a lot on this visit about her own personal journey with cancer.
We did. And of course, we also learned a lot more about her own treatment
and the impact on the family. So where should we begin, Kate?
It was quite a day. You know, on the face of it, it was a kind of usual solo,
royal visit to a hospital. But for so many reasons, it was completely different,
wasn't it?
Quite last minute drop too, because we didn't get a huge amount of heads up about it, did
we?
No, so the day before we knew that the Princess of Wales was going to be doing a central London
engagement. That was all the information we had. And at sort of 9am that morning, we were
told where it was going to be under a strict embargo, not
to be reported until she had left, she'd finished.
I suppose on reflection, thinking about it now, that first solo engagement in
almost a year, the first one she's done by herself since her diagnosis, for her
it almost couldn't have been anything else could it apart from something
related to her own journey.
It mirrored the Kings didn't it, to some extent, although it wasn't the centre that he was treated.
So, first of all, I think we learnt before she'd even arrived, this was where she had had the treatment,
which they've never said publicly before.
The threat has always been whenever there have been questions asked about what kind of treatment where,
there's always this phrase deployed by Kensington Palace Palace which is the princess is entitled to medical privacy as she is and the
media respected that and actually the public have too because there have been plenty of patients
having their treatment there at the same time as her who've seen her come and go she's had her
treatment privately well not privately as in we don't know whether she said it on the NHS but
she's had it done privately in terms of location at the hospital. But people would have seen her but it was quite extraordinary to
get that confirmation that she had it there. She's become joint patron with William, hasn't she, of
the hospital. Even as she arrived it was this idea of kind of public versus private because she sort
of looked up, took it all in and as soon as she was greeted there she said it was quite nice to
to come through the main entrance because during her treatment, which was obviously private, she was
sort of squirreled away through side doors, where she had her treatment in private. And that was a
kind of a running theme throughout the visit. So she when she spoke to patients, she sort of said,
Oh, it must be nice to see other patients going through the same thing, an experience that she, of course, did not have because for obvious reasons she had to have privacy around her treatment because
there was so much interest in her. So we got an insight, didn't we, of this idea of her
going in for treatment?
I think because of that as well, what you've just said, she was just even more keen to
talk to other patients about their own experience.
She seemed super keen. We found out a lot about how she actually handled it,
how she dealt with it with the children, with the family.
I thought what was one of the really poignant things that she said was that
I found my family needed support as much as I needed support as a patient.
The impact it had on her family, there was a couple she was sitting with
who were talking about the man's treatment and the woman who was with him said, I think you've
handled it really well, amazingly well with the children. And she said, well, you know, that's
kind of you to say, but different treatments affect different families differently and patients.
And so we started to just sort of pick up, you know, yes, she's entitled to medical privacy,
but she was willing to talk about her journey in much more detail than I
think we thought she would.
Absolutely. And I think just that kind of solitary aspect to
her treatment, I thought was really interesting. But there
were also kind of little nuggets of actually how that
chemotherapy was administered to the princess, because she spoke
to one patient, Catherine Field, about having a port fitted. So
she pointed to her arm and then
Catherine pointed to her chest. And these are the ports that are fitted that sort of
you go home with them still implanted in through which the chemotherapy medicine can be administered
to you so that you don't have to keep they don't have to keep finding a vein and making
that connection.
And she said didn't she, she'd got quite attached to it.
Yes.
And when it had come to have it taken out, she was, it's, you know, she's
She was hesitant about having it taken out.
Really, really personal stuff.
And actually, it's really interesting when you look at, there's something about
the King's treatment, Kate's treatment, that theme of work that they're going to
take forwards.
So the King's first engagement back was at a cancer charity.
He's involved in lots of cancer charities. She's become patron
with William at this. It's like in the same way that Princess William and Harry
always, whenever they were doing military engagements, would say we feel we
can do these kind of with honor and we can look so as men and women in the eye
and say we know what you've been through. In the same way now that Kate and the King can go out to cancer hospitals, go on to wards, we know what you've been through, we've done it too. Because we've been there. In the same way now that Kate and the King
can go out to camp's hospitals, go on to wards,
talk to people who've been through it
because they have too.
She's always shown empathy, I think, in her role,
in her public role, but I think this is a new level.
And I do think they're more open.
I mean, if you look at that birthday message
that William released online, that was very effusive.
You know, we love you.
We're so proud of you and the strength you've shown.
They've gone through such a battering clearly in the last year.
Some of the edges have sort of fallen off and they're so much more open now.
Certainly it seems to be at the moment.
And then we had the statement on top of that, didn't we?
So we had this brilliant engagement where she came and she spoke to so many people.
She was hugging patients.
She told families there was light at the end of the tunnel.
She spoke about the mental effect.
She said that she was longing for the sun.
She wanted to feel the sun.
She needed sun and water.
Yeah, and how cold she felt
and how she'd been told to bring all her warm things
because the side effects of the chemo
that she had made her feel really cold.
Very personal stuff.
Incredibly.
I think you're right, just to go back to what you said
about how open they're being.
It feels like the monarchy top down,
certainly with the Give Those Key players, is changed.
It's changed in a new post-cancer, post-treatment,
the King's Still Having It world.
Much more open, much more personal, much more willing to talk about, you know, what they've been through.
Not just Kate and the King, but also William as you know, Support Network and the Queen.
We're in a new post-cancer era with The Monarchy, aren't we?
Oh, I'd absolutely agree with that.
I've written a piece today that's going into the Times Two feature supplement tomorrow,
and picking up on those two words from the statement
that she made on social media after the visit,
that's when she actually said the word remission.
But the two words I thought were really key were new normal.
New normal, what's the new normal?
And the new normal is her being more open,
but also putting family first. We've heard time and again, haven't we, where she said, you know, she's looking
forward to a kind of fulfilling year ahead, but that isn't going to just be the kind of
daily grind for her.
She's going to be savoring those moments with her kids and focusing on family.
You know, William too, he didn't go to the Jimmy Carter funeral and he would normally
have gone to a former president's funeral, state funeral in the States as heir to the throne on behalf of the monarch, where
the Duke of Edinburgh went. It was the Princess of Wales' birthday. Now, we're not sure of
the decision making behind that, but I think you can bet your bottom dollar after the year
that those two have had that he wanted to be by her side on her birthday, because when
he goes through cancer, nobody knows how many birthdays you've got left and I think this is the new
normal and they're making it very very clear that there are boundaries of what
they're prepared to do and how they're going about it.
But also I suppose there is also the kind of added pressure in the
back of their minds. The King, you know, long lived the King but the King is still having cancer treatment and so you know William in the back of their minds, the king, long live the king,
but the king is still having cancer treatment.
And so William, at the back of his mind may think,
I thought I had enough 30 years, I might do, I might not do.
And so how long is that,
how long does that new normal last?
How long does this-
Indeed.
So it's all, you're right.
It feels very much like there is a new direction ahead
and it is a post-cancer world,
certainly for the Waleses, whereby their choices will be different and that's as it should be.
I mean, to the question of will we see a lot more of Kate in the new year,
Kensington Palace has been very keen to stress that the guidance around her return to public
facing engagements hasn't changed and it will continue to be gradual. So I think, you know, we just got to conclude from that,
that the pace at which she returns to engagements
going forwards, however many or few that will be,
will be entirely up to her.
Yeah, absolutely.
And she'll probably be taking on some of the advice
that she was giving patients at the hospital,
which was try to keep doing the things that give you joy.
And she said, it makes you appreciate
all the small things in life that you take for granted.
Sometimes from the outside,
we all think you've finished treatment
and you go back to things,
but it's hard to get back to normal.
And this idea that, you know,
we've heard from other cancer patients
that actually post-treatment
can be a super scary place as well,
because that kind of path that you're on
with the treatment comes to an end and then everyone expects you to be back to
normal, your normal self and it's not quite that straightforward.
It was certainly an extraordinary engagement where we found that a lot more.
And we mentioned earlier on that that woman that she met, the first woman she
met, arriving Catherine Field, who we saw sitting having her chemo in a cold
cap, which she sayso in a cold cap,
which she says is like a constant ice cream headache. It's extremely painful.
If you want to hear a little bit more about Catherine's journey as a woman of a similar age
to Kate, who's going through cancer at the moment and having treatment, she's writing a piece for us
in the Sunday Times. I think that will be a very moving, emotional piece and I hope you'll all read it.
We also learn from that encounter as well.
I mean, we were sort of led to believe from that encounter
that the princess hadn't used a cold cap
to prevent hair loss during her treatment, which is interesting.
But maybe that's why, because it is pretty uncomfortable.
Yeah.
Also this week, the Prince of Wales has been in Birmingham,
where he has been at the College of Paramedics'
Emergency and
Critical Care Conference. It's their inaugural, very first one, and he's become
patron of the college. And he gave a very strong speech, which had a real sense of
oratory and purpose. But in fact, wasn't that everyone was looking at it was his
trick to the pub afterwards.
Him down the spoons.
Going to the spoons.
Before we get to the spoons, here are some quotes
from where he talks about his time
in the RAF search and rescue team in Wales
and with East Anglian Air Ambulance.
He says, and these roles allowed me to better understand
the day-to-day challenges that you all face
and gave me the lifelong motivation to do all I can
to support your community.
It's not just another job.
And he talks about the paramedics' work and how for them,
every day provides unpredictable challenges.
Every shout is a journey into the unknown.
Every split second decision has immeasurable impact on so many people.
He also talked about the pressure that first responders felt, which
he said in his speech, I was all too familiar with from my time as a pilot. And I suppose
it's often hard to work out whether he's talking about the paramedics or himself, isn't it?
But the speech and the interaction he had there with the first responders reminded me
of, do you remember when he did that, A Time to Walk, Apple sort of podcast experience
a few years ago where he,
to listeners who don't know what we're talking about,
William chose, he went walking in Sandringham
and he was recorded just talking about the things
that he saw, which reminded him of sort of
childhood experiences, things in his life.
It was a favorite walk of his wasn't it?
A favorite walk, he chose certain tracks,
so we learned that he liked starting Mondays
listening to Heavy Metal.
ACDC.
ACDC. He picked Tina Turner, Simply the Best, which he used to listen to in the back of the car with his mum.
But what was really interesting was during that walk and talk, he talked about how when he was a pilot with the RAF and he's standing in air ambulance,
he started taking the trauma of work home with him and going to quite a dark place
and that was really when it was it was during those sort of two periods of work
and he was going home and realizing he was struggling with his own mental
health that spurred him on to do even more around mental health and first
responders and paramedics and exactly what he's been doing to stay and he's
become patron so again it's that of, I've got firsthand experience of
what you guys go through every single day. Yeah, I was about to say this is like what you mentioned,
you know, the start of the program that him when he goes to do military engagements that he really
knows what he's talking about. So when he stands up and says things like this, people listen,
because he knows what he's talking about. He referenced Southport
as well, didn't he? Because him and Catherine went up to Southport and spoke to some of
the people who were first on the scene for that awful stabbing in which young children
were killed last summer. And he spoke to some of those people there. And one woman was still
off sick, essentially. She hadn't gone back to work. She's still dealing with the trauma
of arriving at the most horrendous scene.
And he was talking in Southport about how sometimes it's hard to speak to your partner about it and you bottle it up.
Yeah.
And I thought that's really interesting, because I wonder if now William has started to speak about it a bit more.
I think this is this kind of unfurling of William that we're actually seeing in public as well, this kind of being more
open, being more effusive about what's going on inside his mind.
And I think the kind of evolution of his character,
if you like, we're sort of seeing it develop,
I think, which is really interesting.
One of the things I find intriguing and interesting
in terms of the choices he made in his career and his life,
which goes right to the heart of this,
is that he wouldn't be able to do these engagements as successfully as he does, or as, I guess, empathetically as he does,
and have that connection with the first responders, had he not done those two jobs with RAF,
RAF Valley and with East Anglia Air Ambulance. And I remember when I was talking to some of
my contacts, when I was writing a big profile of William a few years ago for the Sunday Times magazine, I was astonished to discover that when he decided he wanted to
go and do search and rescue and also East Anglin Air Ambulance, there was from some
of the old guard at Buckingham Palace, real resistance to him doing jobs.
And what was the reason for that?
And the reason was they weren't sure whether it was sort of fitting for a member of the
royal family to receive a salaried job, whether that would just be, you know, make them a
little bit too normal.
Although it went into charity, didn't it? He gave all the money away to charity.
Isn't it interesting? And actually, someone said to me, someone very close to him, who
worked with him as a great mate of his, he really fought his corner in order to say, no, this is what I'm going to do.
It's really interesting that he would have to fight his corner, isn't it?
The old guard are so entrenched, and it plays to Harry's view about the men in grey suits,
I'm afraid.
Had he not fought his corner and going, I'm doing it, he'd be a very different person
now. First of all, he'd be hugely frustrated. And I can't actually ever envisage a world
in which William wouldn't have got his way on that because William tends to get his way
when he wants to do what he wants to do as men in grey suits have found out at
the palace regularly. He's also a future king which helps. But he wouldn't be able to go
and do these engagements and talk to these people about I know what it's like
to take the trauma home from a really really bad like rescue if he haven't
done it. Yeah. And I wonder whether that has sort of landed and going forwards
well you know the makeup of men in grey suits and women in grey suits has changed at the Palace since then, that was a long time ago.
But I've always found that quite interesting as this seam of his work has developed.
Yeah.
How hard he fought to do it.
And well done for him for doing that.
But he's also had a very difficult role for many years, Roya, as an Aston Villa fan, which has bought him no end of hardship.
Roller coaster rides, ups and downs.
The mid-tier football team that he supports in Birmingham.
What does one do in Birmingham when one is at a paramedics conference?
One goes to the Wetherspoons for a pint of cider.
For any foreign listeners, the Wetherspoons is probably the cheapest chain of pubs in the UK.
Would you say that?
By which we mean literally.
I think they've got a 99p pint.
So you can get...
Of something.
I don't know what they're serving for that.
But I think you can get change from one pound for a pint in there.
Now this doesn't make him sound so generous.
He was bowing around, so maybe that was why he chose that.
So he did his engagement with the College of Paramedics and then he took himself off
to the Wetherspoons to chat to Alola Villa fans before the Everton match tonight.
Right, yeah.
It's an away game though which is why he's not staying in Birmingham to watch the game.
We had a reporter there, didn't we, on the Rotor who spoke to some of the fans afterwards
and said he's not a fair weather game, he really wants to talk about the transfers, he
wants to talk about everything.
We're reliably informed he had one pint of cider.
Just one in his suit before he got back on the train.
Mike Tindall, Zara, his cousin Zara's husband, of course, and the former England rugby player,
yeah, has called William in the past, I think on his podcast, one pint willy,
because he has one pint and then he's done.
That's him done. That's not what I've had well he was one pint Willy today I've seen him drink more than a pint
he's very well behaved he got back on back on the train maybe he was scurrying
back to do the pick up school pick up one pint Willy I reckon that's an
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So thousands of people have had to flee their homes following the wildfires that have raged
through California since last week.
The fires have already claimed 24 lives at least and destroyed more than 12,000 homes and are regarded as the worst in Los Angeles history. There's been an outpouring of
help and support to those who've been affected. Several celebrities who've had
homes in the area that have now been destroyed have spoken about their
experiences. And among those offering help this week were the Duke and Duchess
of Sussex, Prince Harry and Meghan. It's understood the couple, who live around 150 kilometres north of LA in Montecito,
visited affected families, donated supplies
and served meals with World Central Kitchen.
The mayor of Pasadena, Victor Gordo,
said it really buoyed the spirits of the first responders.
It's also impacted Meghan's work, of course,
because today we were expecting to talk about her new
Netflix programme, which was due to be released, but has now been pushed back to March on account of the fires. So the lifestyle show, which she filmed in Southern California,
would have come out this week, but she's taken the decision with Netflix to delay it. So as Megan
says, she can focus on the needs of those impacted by the wildfires in my home state.
So we've got another couple of months to wait Kate before we can get stuck into that victorious
plunge. Last week we wished the Princess of Wales a happy birthday and this week we wish the Duchess
of Edinburgh a very happy birthday too. It's a milestone as they call it. It's a big one.
Yes, Sophie turns 60 on the 20th of January.
And Roya, you've written about her being one of the monarchy's
safest pair of hands.
How helpful is she, especially in this time of, you know,
lots of illness within the family
and the slimmed down monarchy looking slimmer and slimmer
than ever.
How has she stepped in this year?
She's key, really. Key to everything.
And has been for a long time in a very low-key, unflashy,
un-me-me-me kind of way,
which is exactly why the late queen loved her
and came to dote on her as sort of one of her favorites.
Eventually. But in the piece, you said that at first...
She wasn't such a fan.
Well, it was one of my...
It's one of the things that surprised me the most. So when she first, in the very early, first few weeks apparently of
months of dating Edward and around I think it was 1990, the early 1990s,
Edward took her to Windsor where he was staying
and she met the Queen for the first time and she was very,
not like your usual royal girlfriend, middle class, had a career in PR,
middle class background, never seen anything like the royal family in Windsor and the Queen,
and was introduced to the Queen and was incredibly shy and tongue-tied and very nervous.
And the Queen thought she was dull and said to her friend, you wouldn't know to sit in a room.
And then the more she got to know her...
Well I suppose it's better to be dull than sort of, you know, an immediate dislike.
She realised she was wrong and actually came to love her and realised that she was actually
very punchy.
Very good for Edward.
Which you have to be to get on with the late Prince Philip because he didn't suffer any
fools. Great for Prince Edward and actually someone who was going to understand the job
and what it entailed. But I thought that was a bit of a revelation to me given how much we know Queen Elizabeth
the daughter in the end.
But on a very superficial level, if I may, she seems to have undergone a kind of a real
transformation physically as well.
She's had a kind of a proper makeover in recent years.
Yeah.
Do you think that's sort of part of her embracing the public role more
and more?
I think it's part of her realising that the spotlight is a little bit more on her because
I think she's embraced the public role always. She's always, as she said, plotted along doing
what she's doing. She acknowledges now, as you say, less and less members of the royal
family working roles. Duke of York stepped back, Harry and Meghan have gone. The Gloucesters
are getting on. Duchess, I think, Gloucester I think is 79, I think her husband is 80,
the Duke of Kent is 89. At some point they are going to hang up their boots. The spotlight
will then move, you know, as I sort of wrote in this piece. The future King William V is
very keen for her and Edward to do even more, not only because he really likes them, which
he does, but because he's gonna need them.
Because, you know, whenever that happens,
you've got to possibly expect that the Gloucesters
and the Kent's might be retired
and or maybe not around anymore.
So who's around?
We know, because Sophie and Edward decided
to let their children not have the HRH stamped on them.
They've decided, Louisa Wenzel decided not to use it
after turning 18. She's got it, she doesn't use it. James Louisa Wenzel decided not to use it after turning 18.
She's got it, she doesn't use it. James Earl of Wessex probably won't use it. So who are the other
working roles going to be? So, you know, she never will have a bigger role, I'm sure. And I think
that's why she realizes she's, you know, she's clamped up. Mm-hmm. It suits her. I like her.
She's a good egg. She is a good egg. Her work is very interesting.
I was there when she did something on periods
and periods chat with young girls and things like that.
She's done menopause.
She's done menopause.
She does things that perhaps members of the royal family
have previously shied away from.
There's not things you want to talk about.
Very, very passionate about the work
on sexual violence in conflict.
Yeah, she went to the border with Chad last year and spoke to women who had been victims of sexual assault as a result of war.
I found out during the piece that the government tried to stop her going to Ukraine.
The government didn't want her to go, it was too sensitive, it was a bit too dicey.
And as someone very close to her said, actually someone not in the royal household, someone else who discussed the trip with her said she was having none of it.
She made sure she went to Ukraine. She's very strong I think. Yeah. Someone else said there was always a danger in the palace that people underestimated her but she fought her corner,
she fought her opponent's corner and she was punchy. Happy birthday punchy Sophie!
There's something else that Kate did this week that you've written about other Kate.
It's something she's going to do.
Sources close to the Princess of Wales have told me that this year will be the year that
the Princess of Wales will recognise British skills and industry when she grants her first
royal warrants to her favoured companies.
So these royal warrants are special, aren't they?
Because they're given for up to five years to favoured companies whose goods are sold
to the royal household. And it's the reigning monarch who decides which members of the family
can grant warrants. Yes, and under changes brought in by the king when he was Prince of Wales,
suppliers also need to prove that they have a sustainability policy. It's not a green award,
as it was described to me, but it's, you know, they have to show that they have that in place.
Last month, the Queen's list of royal warants included her hairdresser, Jo Hansford.
But we don't know yet who has made the cut for Kate.
Everybody will want to be on that list, though, won't they? Everyone will want to be on that list.
Imagine.
Because of the Kate effect.
When she wears something, clothes, jewelry, handbags, whatever, flies off the shelf.
Sell out. And anybody I approached to ask them about it was straight back on the phone to
ask me if I'd seen the list and were they on it.
Can you tell me am I on it?
But the Kate effect is a real phenomenon. I spoke to jewelry designer Katherine Zoraida,
who said Kate's worn her earrings time and time again. She said 500% uplift whenever the Princess of Wales is seen wearing a pair of her earrings.
Not just the first time either. She re-wears them. Same thing.
So there'll be a clamour for those Royal Warrants.
Tell me about Royal Warrants. When do they date back to you Kate?
Oh, very far. Royal Warrants date back to medieval times,
but were formalised in the 15th century when the Lord Chamberlain
as head of the royal household formally appointed tradespeople with a royal warrant of appointment.
And last year the Danish royal family attracted a bit of criticism from companies in the country
when it announced plans to abolish its royal warrant system. In Britain the king has continued
with the tradition. He likes a bit of tradition, our king. It means you can stick your crest on your letterhead,
on your website.
Love a crest.
And you can say, you know, we are official providers
of whatever your product may be to the royal family.
And that goes a long way when attracting business
and getting other suppliers.
Should we ask for a crest?
That would look really nice on these little podcast muffs.
Should we ask the king for a crest?
There's still time.
British supplier to the palace. So there's still time for a podcast as well,
having a royal warrant.
There is. If you're listening, Your Majesty, we would love for services to the
Royal Household audio, we would love a royal warrant.
Or just a general warrant from you dear dear listeners. Because thank you for listening.
And if you've enjoyed this episode, please share it.
Or leave us a review if you liked it, or maybe don't if you didn't.
Or give it a Royal Warrant, you know, it helps others find it.
It does.
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