The Royals with Roya and Kate - King Charles’ royal balancing act in Trump-Zelensky diplomacy and the verdict on ‘With Love, Meghan’

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

The King’s meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau following the Trump-Zelensky Oval Office clash, once again, highlights the monarchy’s crucial role i...n complex international relations. So, how is King Charles navigating this fine balance? Plus, Roya and Kate have watched Meghan’s new Netflix show ‘With Love, Meghan’, they give their verdict. And the Prince of Wales adds a new language to his repertoire… mae'n gymraeg (it’s Welsh)! Clip: Kensington Palace Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:41 It has been an extraordinary week for diplomacy, following President Trump and his Vice President, Janey Vance's angry exchange with Ukrainian President Zelensky in the Oval Office. We try and work out where King Charles fits in when it comes to navigating the sensitive relationships between President Trump and the rest of the world. And smug, syrupy, and endlessly spoofable, the reviews are in. What do they
Starting point is 00:01:06 say about Meghan's new Netflix show? We'll find out. Plus… The Prince of Wales speaks Welsh. So Kate, on Sunday, the King met President Zelensky, but more importantly, that meeting happened just days after the Oval Office Trump-Zelensky bust up. So let's recap how the week unfolded. On Thursday last week, Prime Minister Sakir Starmer met President Donald Trump at the White House where he presented Trump with the invitation letter from King Charles for a second state visit.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Now traditionally, second term US presidents are not offered a second state visit. Instead, they come for tea or lunch with the monarch at Windsor Castle. But Sir Keir said Donald Trump's last state visit in 2019 had been a tremendous success and that the invitation for a second visit was truly historic and unprecedented. All good so far. But then, just a day after that invite was hand-delivered by the Prime Minister in the Worryable Office, the world witnessed the shocking fallout between Trump, Vance and
Starting point is 00:02:20 Zelensky. And in the days that followed, the UK welcomed President Zelensky to London as Stama hosted a summit on Ukraine with leaders from across Europe to shore up support for Ukraine. And then, wait for it, President Zelensky says, "'Thank you very much,
Starting point is 00:02:37 and any chance of tea with the King.' So if you're King Charles, what do you do?" You accept. The request came through the British government, which then went to the palace and King Charles was very keen to accept. He's been outspoken about how much support he's given Ukraine and how, you know, we're all behind Ukraine. He's talked about the indescribable aggression that Russia has shown the
Starting point is 00:03:01 country and has been very outspoken on that. So of course he was going to meet him, but it seemed extremely warm, didn't it? He was greeted on the steps of Sandringham House, the private Norfolk estate. On a cosy Sunday. On a cosy Sunday, brought in for a fireside chat in the saloon where they had tea, we're told. And nearly an hour of discussion, which is quite a long time for an audience, particularly on a Sunday, I would say. I think it's really important to remember that we are always told, and it's emphasised to us regularly from the palace, that the king acts on the advice of the government. But nobody can make the king do what he really doesn't want to do.
Starting point is 00:03:38 And I don't think anyone would have to. He would have been very keen to have met Zelensky. He's hosted him before at Buckingham Palace, and as you say, he's been very outspoken. But the optics of that were extraordinary. The optics of last week and the choreography and the timing of Stalmer goes to the Oval Office, he's wargamed that meeting. So he absolutely plays a blinder with Trump. He pulls the letter out of his jacket pocket. Has Trump opened it?
Starting point is 00:04:03 And it's a warm letter from the King. Yeah. Yeah. But kind of holds his own when it comes to the other things that he's asking for. And Trump comes out in the presser and says, he's a tough negotiator. He was negotiating hard over lunch in terms of the trade deal. Then we have an almighty bust up with Zelensky, who some people now in the government and our government are saying that we didn't prepare him.
Starting point is 00:04:22 The UK government didn't prepare him enough for that meeting. And then Starmer hosts him here with Matt Cron and lots of other European leaders, and then he goes off to see the King, which is basically without the government sticking and the King sticking two fingers up to Trump, it's them saying, let's put our arms around Zelensky and see what we can do about this. Literally as well, because we saw kind of a big hug from Starmer as Zelensky came in and again like you say the optics of him outside number 10 Downing Street there was a big hug you know
Starting point is 00:04:50 he was enveloped in that kind of summit and then there was a joint photograph with him right in the middle of it and then gets in the helicopter, helicopters up to Sandringham to see the King and now those pictures Doesn't put a suit on You don't need a suit for a King You don't need a suit for a King you You don't need a suit for a king. You know, Churchill didn't wear a suit when he went to the Oval Office during the Second World War, as was pointed out. But he lands in his helicopter and comes out. And I think what was interesting is they put out those pictures
Starting point is 00:05:17 from the king's private estate. They were released through the official channels before the meeting had even happened to make sure they got there for the bulletin. So the King really knew what he was doing. I mean, it's been described to me as him playing kind of a three fold diplomatic role. So first of all, he's representing Europe and the European support for Ukraine. Second of all, he's keeping America sweet, as we saw with that very nice letter that he wrote to Trump telling him how special it was, how unprecedented this really special invitation was. And by the way, come for a state visit, but first of all, come for an informal visit,
Starting point is 00:05:54 maybe at Balmoral, Dumfries House, and we can chat through the finer details of the pomp and pageantry of the second state visit. So there's America. And then there's also the third wheel, which is the Commonwealth. And then we saw that play out the following day when we had Justin Trudeau going up to Sandringham, the Canadian prime minister, because of course the king is... King of Canada. King of Canada.
Starting point is 00:06:17 I thought what Trudeau... And we haven't heard much about that Canadian connection, to be honest, and Canada's really coming in for a battering from Trump with the trade tariffs. And I thought what was fascinating was Trudeau putting that statement afterwards. So we never get readouts from audiences with the palace, much as we want to, unless you have someone like Joe Biden and Donald Trump who gave great readouts. But I thought what Trudeau put on X was fascinating because he tweeted that
Starting point is 00:06:41 photo, which the palace did put out. And he said that his meeting with the king, we spoke about matters of importance to Canadians, including, above all, Canada's sovereign and independent future. So he clearly let it be known, and he wouldn't have done that without the nod from the palace and the king that he could do that, that he and Charles talked about Canada's sovereign future, and that's a direct finger pointing at Donald Trump, who has
Starting point is 00:07:07 taunted Justin Trudeau for the last month being in office, calling him governor Trudeau, saying Canada should be the 51st state of America. Well, I think you'll find Donald Trump that the king is king of Canada. It's his one of his most important realms. And that message from Trudeau on X clearly showed that King Charles is no fan of President Trump's plan to derelm Canada and turn it into the 51st state. I thought that was fascinating. Yeah, it was fascinating, wasn't it? I think it was a very, like you say about the optics, it's the words that are chosen. You know, it was very kind of measured in terms of what
Starting point is 00:07:41 we'd seen in the Oval Office take part between Trump and Vance and Zelensky. But it was powerful. It really packed a punch, didn't it? And even before he went to see the King, the day before, Trudeau was giving interviews to live TV cameras saying, well, tomorrow I'm going to see the King. I'm going to talk to him about our sovereign nation and about how we're an independent country. And I thought, yes, you're making sure that that meeting happens. You're making sure that everybody knows why you're meeting. It's not just about Canada's support for the Ukrainians. It's about your own, fighting for your own space and your own identity. It's really interesting talking about the global leaders. We've had a lot of chat
Starting point is 00:08:22 recently about this need for like a security backstop, haven't we, in Ukraine. But listening to Justin Trudeau and, you know, seeing Zelensky go to see the King when they're pretty much at war with Donald Trump over certain issues, it's almost like the King is a security backstop for global leaders. Absolutely. He's the soft power behind Britain and behind the Commonwealth and Europe. Please, can you talk some sense maybe into it? it reminded me, it's all reminded me of when I sat down with him a few years ago, and he was on his we were in Davos at the World Economic Forum. The peacekeeper line that you got from him. He was on his way to the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:08:54 It was fascinating. It was a tense time. Harry and Meghan had just said they were off. We're in January 2020. They've just said they're off. I thought they'd cancel the interview with him. Off we went. He was on his way to the Middle East. So he was going into sort of, you know, warring areas. Interfaith dialogue.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Interfaith dialogue. It was very clear that it had been difficult to ask him about the war in his own family, which he still hasn't managed to solve. But when we were talking about the Middle East, he said, I've spent much of my life trying to bring people together. And I said to him, do you consider yourself a peacemaker? And he said, I try. I'd rather be a peacemaker. And I feel like that's what we're seeing now. That legacy of him convening people, treading the diplomatic tightrope walk between warring leaders. It's all coming to the fore now. This was all happening as Prince of Wales. And when you spoke to him, did he seem pleased with that role?
Starting point is 00:09:46 I mean, is that something that he was kind of relishing? Because he is determined to do that. That was all the guidance this week, that he's determined to play the role, that he's not going to shy away from it, even though he's in his mid-70s, still undergoing cancer treatment. This is his raison d'etre. He's always been bringing people together.
Starting point is 00:10:02 He was. I think for him, then as Prince of Wales and now as King, suddenly like being thrust forward in a way that none of us even thought a few weeks ago he would be. That role as peacemaker, that role as, if I can have a word with Zelensky and say, perhaps try this approach with Donald Trump if I can still keep Donald Trump sweet with the idea of a state visit and a trip to Balmoral. That's a unique position for someone on the global stage. There is nobody else, I don't think, who could play that role, really. No. I can't think of anybody else who could stand in and play that role, really.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Of course, what a lot of people say when people write about his legacy being the peacemaker is well, he still hasn't managed to find peace with his own warring family and his warring sons. There is a sense of peace, having made peace with the conflict within his family, though, I get the sense that, you know, he hasn't seen Harry, these things sort of rumble on, will come on to Meghan's new TV show. But it does feel like that's as sorted as it's ever going to be. It doesn't feel like it's still boiling up every few months like it was the last few years. That does seem to kind of there's a
Starting point is 00:11:02 lid on that now. If he could keep a lid on Donald Trump. Trump was thrilled with that invitation wasn't he? When Sir Keir Starmer pulled that out of his pocket, the Trump card, all the puns intended, to be a fly on the wall when they have tea at Balmoral. If Trump comes over to play golf at one of his golf courses in Scotland, I think that would be a real moment, won't it? The Canada thing makes it more complicated. That's going to be difficult.
Starting point is 00:11:29 How can the King persuade Donald Trump to leave Canada alone? Well, I think, you know, Donald Trump taunting Justin Trudeau and Canada about becoming the 51st state is just taunting. I don't see that ever happening. The tariffs thing is much more difficult in terms of I'm not sure the king would really be able to persuade Donald Trump when it comes to cutting deals and tariffs on around. But watch this space. Maybe he'll come up. Maybe the king will be the kingmaker. Maybe he'll be the dealmaker.
Starting point is 00:11:59 About those tariffs, president. Anyway, it is fascinating. And I think you're right. I think Charles absolutely thrives on that role and good for him because he's clearly. Anyway, it is fascinating and I think you're right. I think Charles absolutely thrives on that role and good for him because he's clearly quite good at it. Seems to be. Coming up, what do critics make of Megan's new Netflix show? That's after a cup of tea. With a king, that would be nice. FanDuel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling,
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Starting point is 00:13:06 Indeed, it's the Duchess of Sussex's foray back into the world of what they like to call lifestyle content, with the series where she shares personal tips and tricks, embracing playfulness over perfection and highlighting how easy it can be to create beauty even in the unexpected. That's the description, according to Netflix. Ahead of the release this week, two things have happened. One, Meghan gave an interview to, you guessed it, People magazine in the USA, which has been described as her most intimate interview in years. And we'll come on to that later.
Starting point is 00:13:40 And the Duchess hosted a screening of the programme before its global premiere for a select few fans who have followed her since she started her lifestyle blog, The Tig, which began in 2014 and she shut it down after she got engaged to Harry in 2017. In the People magazine interview, she talked about what life is like for the Sussexes in Montecito and how they get a Chinese takeaway every now and then. But unlike many of us who just eat a Chinese takeaway out of the Chinese takeaway containers, Megan said,
Starting point is 00:14:10 even when I get takeout, I will try to plate it beautifully. Fair enough. What was really interesting about the People magazine was how little reference she made to the UK all the time there. And the Netflix show was no different. It had very little mention of the royal family or Britain. So could this be a new version of the Sussexes we're seeing where they really have truly moved on and we need to take Megan at face value as an actress who's now extending her skills to the lifestyle genre. And so this is With Love, Megan. And here's what the reviews had to say. Carol Midgley in The Times writes,
Starting point is 00:14:51 the series is full of immaculately tasteful domestic tips from Montecito and relentless smiling, but it is a performative kind of joy. Carol also said, if you thought With Love, Megan, the Duchess of Sussex's new lifestyle show would be a smug, syrupy endurance watch and that you would rather fry your eyeballs than sit through it, I have news for you. It is so much worse than that. The Mashable News Night was kinder. It said, if you thrive on
Starting point is 00:15:21 lifestyle shows or TikTok videos about hosting guests or making your own anything at home, you might like this. You might like it. And Vogue writes, with her new brand, As Ever, Markle is clearly planning a bold re-entry to the lifestyle space. But while the TIG often featured interviews with other tastemakers in As Ever, the main draw is meant to be Markle herself. First of all we know now not to call her Markle. Never call her Markle. She doesn't like that. She does not like that. She wants to be known as Sussex. But what did you make of it Roya? Have you watched it all? I have watched it all, all eight episodes. I went into it as open-minded as I possibly could in terms of thinking this really is the new Megan.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Objective. Objectively. It's not my vibe. It's really not my vibe. Why is that? It's not my vibe for a few reasons. I think- Is this just not the sort of thing you would normally like? It's not really my kind of program, but I think it lost me. She lost me at the point where I saw her chopping shallots and putting them into an ice bath before making a vinaigrette. There were too many sprinkle edible flowers on everything. There was too much quest for perfection.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Who has got time for all of that? Who is it for? I watched it and just thought, I want to see some of the kind of behind the scenes authentic when things are a little bit difficult or you're a little bit short of time, this is how you could put up something you know. It was just all so curated. For me, that takes away from Megan's quest for authenticity. My other issue with it was, what I like about Megan is that she had
Starting point is 00:17:02 previously positioned herself as a punchy independent woman who sort of stands up for women's rights, gender equality, has sort of fingers and lots of pies of really, you know, some interesting causes around women, lifting women up. You know, don't be in the kitchen. Famously, she's told everyone who listened a thousand times that when she was young, she, you know, wrote to the washing up. The washing up liquid manufacturers to say, it's not just women who use your product. Change your advert.
Starting point is 00:17:27 And this just felt so regressive. It was just Megan with a lot of her female friends and Daniel Martin, her makeup artist, preparing and prepping food in the kitchen. I mean, you don't even see her go out and do anything else apart from buy flowers. For me, I'm just like, what is this new version of Megan that she's trying to sort of position? It feels very old school, regressive, not modern. And she has and not authentic every platform in the world to be. She's not in the royal family anymore in terms of a working member of the royal family.
Starting point is 00:18:00 She can be as punchy as she likes. This is just so not punchy. No, I agree. I had so many issues with it. I just thought much like the kind of stealth wealth outfit of beige cashmere jumpers that she appears in endlessly after outfit change, after outfit change, they all look the same. Well, the clothes annoyed me because they were just clearly not practical at all. The kind of white billowing shirt, all the layers of beige and often she wasn't wearing an apron and I did not notice one single oven glove. The one thing you're absolutely right, the one thing we did learn is that she doesn't
Starting point is 00:18:32 like being called Meghan Markle because in that exchange with Mindy Kaling, the actress, Mindy gives that you know called her Meghan Markle and she went, you keep calling me Meghan Markle, you do know I'm Sussex now. You know she obviously wants to get rid of that identity, previous you know pre-Royal identity. But the thing is, well, she should be proud of that. Well, I thought- Independent working women. That's what she came into the Royal Family as like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, be proud of your maiden name. Also, I think that it was it was a shot across the
Starting point is 00:18:57 bow to the Royal Family, wasn't it? People have said, you know, they're not allowed to use their HRH for commercial purposes. People have said, go further. They should have their Duke and Duchess of Sussex title stripped from them. So this was, I think, her saying, look, this is my family name. This is sacred. This is what we, you know, this is what we like. Having said that, you know, she doesn't really use Sussex in any of the branding of, you know, her raspberry spreader, she calls it and things like that. So it did feel like her setting out her stall from that point of view. But all the guests that come around, I mean, they're just praising her
Starting point is 00:19:29 and saying how wonderful she is. Oh, tell me about how your fashion's so beautiful. Tell me about how you're so hip and young. And, Megan, I love it when you do that face that's, you know, it's really the Megan face. It felt very remote. The whole thing was designed to be kind kind of a big loving for her, culminating in this big crescendo at the end where in the final episode,
Starting point is 00:19:50 we see her hosting this brunch for family and friends. I'll come on to the mum in a minute because that was interesting. Felt quite un-relaxing, didn't it? It felt very un-relaxing. Please nibble, Grace, you know, there's loads of food. I've labelled the coffee stand. Everything is labelled. Oh, imagine having that much time to label everything.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Yeah. And then she gives this speech, which I think is sort of unintentionally hilarious, in which she sort of says, thank you. You know, normally you stand up and you say, thank you for coming. And you know what? I love you guys. You've been, you know, my heart goes out. Yours, you're marvelous.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I think you're great. It was reversed, wasn't it? It was reversed. It was, thank you for loving me. I mean, I've never heard a speech like that in my life. I thought it was quite extraordinary. And the mother, she didn't feature, and fair enough, you know, she's a private individual.
Starting point is 00:20:32 She is a private person, yeah. But we're told she, beyond being told that she had the first number one of 50 of those jam jars that she sent out, that felt very kind of, very blinkin', you miss it, that part of the relationship, which I thought was interesting. But maybe mom's camera shy, who knows? And then we didn't see much of Harry. Hardly any Harry, literally just at the end.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Yeah. And I thought that was interesting. And I wonder, you know, there's been sources close to Sussex are saying that's because he wants it very much to be her thing. Maybe. It felt old school, but not in the kind of cool old school kind of way. It just felt too trad wife and it felt too remote. It didn't feel accessible at all to anyone other than whoever lives in a very rarefied lifestyle in Montecito.
Starting point is 00:21:13 It's not your vibe. No, I think I'm getting that. But I think that, you know, there'll always be a lot of, a lot of noise around people saying, oh, wow, the British media just stared against her. Well, if you look back, traditionally, you know, we weren't. But actually, the response in America has been fascinating because Variety magazine really went to town saying that it was, it was, you know, it was poor.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Not not fans in the same way that it's dull. Vanity Fair, when they did that, Takedown piece, having always given them regular coverage, I think for the Sussexes and for Megan, to see Variety, who did that quite gushing into you with her a couple of years ago, absolutely excoriating review of As Ever. And with Love, Megan, I think that'll sting.
Starting point is 00:21:56 And possibly make her and Netflix think. Ah, well it said season one. I mean, one wonders if there's going to be a season two. What do you think that'll be dependent on? I imagine it's like everything, isn't it? It's commercial enterprise. So is it going to be successful? Are the viewers going to be there? I think they will be for the first and second episodes. Are they going to stick with it to the end? Unlikely. I wouldn't have done if I hadn't felt I needed to watch it for work purposes.
Starting point is 00:22:21 No, I didn't learn. I just felt it was a missed opportunity as well. Like there is a gap in the market for that sort of thing. You know, I loved all the lifestyle stuff. It's great to see her in this beautiful kitchen looking out at the swimming pool. But we didn't even see much of the house. You know, I would have loved to have seen a few. We see her kitchen garden. She made such a big deal about why she wasn't filming it in her own house. In the People magazine interview, she talked about, well, it was impractical because I've got two small children. I want our home to be their haven.
Starting point is 00:22:53 And of course, I've got 80 crew filming. 80 crew? People magazine interview was interesting. Not very good. Because there were attempts in that to make her sound much more low-key than what we've seen in the series. In that she talks about how, oh, I often just like, you know, Harry and I will go to restaurants. And not just private rooms, we walk into restaurants and eat in restaurants.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Not only that, she goes to yoga classes. Where there are 50 other people in there. She goes to yoga classes with other people. I know. So that was an interesting attempt to go, I'm normal, just like you. But it's not is it? It's saying I'm normal, just like you. But actually reinforcing this idea that I'm super special. And it's really special that I go to a communal yoga thing. It's the same thing with a condescending thing about the flowers on breakfast cereal. Anybody can do it. You know, parents, I don't have time for that. I think I get up on a Saturday morning, I'm taking my kids swimming, I don't have time for that. I'm not going to get up on a Saturday morning, I'm taking my kids swimming,
Starting point is 00:23:45 I'm taking them to football practice. I am not making a blueberry, you know, you have this blueberry rainbow. And I do give my kids fruit, of course I do. Am I going to sprinkle edible flowers on their breakfast? There's so many edible flowers. No, no chance in hell. I think my favourite exchange, there was some absolute caucus. I mean, I wrote down some of my absolute favourite quotes, there were quite a few.
Starting point is 00:24:04 I think my favourite exchange was there in Mindy Kaling at the end, where they're sitting over this immaculate tea party that Megan has apparently created all by herself. And she's showing the goodie bags for the kids that don't have any sugar in them. They have Manouk honey sticks and seeds. It was a Mindy Kaling said, this is wonderful, Megan. Why don't you come round to mine
Starting point is 00:24:21 and I'll show you how I microwave burritos. What she said looked a bit puzzled by that. Microwave burritos? She wasn't quite on message, was she? Mindy Kelley made it quite fun because she said some Megan said, do you, you know, do you really go out for your kids party? And she goes, well, the woman I hired does. Which is my vibe.
Starting point is 00:24:41 She seemed to be more real. She was. She was. I think... But that was the thing. Now I'm looking for it on my phone because I wrote a note of this because the quotes are the things that you don't actually... People talk about British, mainly British press or whatever it may be, or people being silly about it, but it's actually some of the quotes.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Just speak for themselves. Megan said about making a balloon arch. The first time I had the fascinating adventure of doing this manually, it can really start to get tiresome on your cheeks. So instead, there is a great little device you can buy. It's a balloon pump. I mean, that's verbatim from the show. That's what we're dealing with.
Starting point is 00:25:19 If there's a second series, I don't think I'll be tuning in is all. I think you'll have to for the podcast. Speaking of learning new things Kate, this week the Prince of Wales delivered a message to mark St David's Day and for the first time that message from William was in Welsh. William has been learning some Welsh along with the Prince of Wales and they've also been helping Prince George, Prince Lashala and Prince Louis learn a few phrases too. Unlike his father though, who studied the language at university when he was Prince of Wales, William has used the Duolingo app for his message celebrating Wales' National
Starting point is 00:25:59 Day. How very 2025. His message translates to… I'm not going to read it in Welsh. I was about to say. Now which language are you going to do it in? The translation because I've not been learning Welsh. Hello.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Have you? Hello. Today on St David's Day we come together to celebrate Wales. Its history, its culture and its incredible people. From its incredible landscapes to its language, Wales continues to inspire. Today, we celebrate everything that is magical about Wales. To all the people of Wales and to everybody around the world, happy St. David's Day.
Starting point is 00:26:40 So do you reckon he nailed it, Kate? As a trained Welsh ear. As a non-Welsh speaker, I would have to give it to him. I think, yeah, good on him for learning it. He was confident in his delivery, I thought. He was. I mean, he's only really said Borodar that I've heard him say before, and I'm sorry if I pronounced that wrong.
Starting point is 00:26:56 But it is about time that he started to speak a bit of Welsh, I would say. I agree. Yes. There were no complaints from Michael Sheen, the actor who's previously for once been quite whingey about the role of the Prince of Wales and the existence of the title. I thought it was interesting that he decided to do that. I mean, we've had, you know, when he took on that title, we had Kensington Panisawir that we're going to stop posting on Twitter and NatRx in Welsh as well.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Then we're going to get S4C, the Welsh broadcast, along to the engagements in Wales. But I thought it was interesting to hear from him with his little daffodil buttonhole speak seemingly quite fluently. And a friend of the King's told me that the King was very touched that William has been learning Welsh. Finally pulled his finger out to learn Welsh. Well yes, because the King obviously went to Amherstwith before his investiture. Yeah, but also this is at a time when, to be fair to William as well, William was quite a lot on his plate as, you know, in his 40s, three young children and wife, he's not been well.
Starting point is 00:27:50 And the king, when he was Prince of Wales, invested age 21 in Caernarfon and had much more time to learn these things and could just see his future stretching out ahead of him as a Prince of Wales with a very healthy and quite young mother as a queen. Wales with a very healthy and quite young mother as a queen. Here's a question, Kate. Go on. It's not in Welsh, is it? Well, it's a question I'd really like to ask William, but I'll ask you instead.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Okay. I'll channel my inner Prince of Wales. Do you think he might use Duolingo to learn a bit of French? Because I can remember being with William in Quebec in Canada back in the day on their first overseas trip. I think it was in 2011 when they went to Canada and California as newlyweds. And he did deliver a speech to members of the military in Quebec in French. It wasn't great. Oh dear. And the Queen's French was pretty good.
Starting point is 00:28:40 She was fluent. The King's French isn't bad either. It's not bad. She was fluent. The King's French isn't bad either. It's not bad. And I just think in the fullness of time when he becomes King of Canada, wouldn't be a bad thing if he's brushing up on his Welsh, brush up on a bit of French. I agree. I'm not sure he's ever going to win the Quebecois over. They're not known for being monarchists.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Anyway, add that to your to-do list, William. There you go. Well, I look forward to hearing more Welsh from the rest of the Waleses in the future. If any Welsh speakers would like to let us know what they make of William's delivery and pronunciation, you can do so by emailing us at theroyals at thetimes.co.uk. And on that note, Kate, huwyl wawr.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Goodbye in Welsh. Goodbye, Roya. Bye, Kate. even the 27th best feeling saying I do. Who wants this last parachute? I do. Daily Jackpots, a chance to win with every spinner and a guaranteed winner by 11pm every day.

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