The Royals with Roya and Kate - Prince William, Eugene Levy and a monarchy manifesto

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

The interview that will reshape the monarchy. In an extraordinary series of interviews with Eugene Levy, Prince William reveals that he wants to bring “change”. But what does that look like? ...Roya and Kate dissect the messaging behind his tour of Windsor Castle with Eugene Levy, host of Apple TV's The Reluctant Traveller. Opening up about deeply personal family challenges, it's also his clearest statement of intent yet as he promises to test royal traditions to see if they are “fit for purpose”. William signals change is coming, but in a gentle revolution, based on learning from family history.Image courtesy of Apple TVExtracts from 'The Reluctant Traveller', an Apple Original series, courtesy of Apple TV Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:24 PWC refers to the PWC network and all one or more of its member firms, each of which is a separate legal entity. This is the Roynieker with me, Roynieker, and me, Kate Mansy, from The Times and Sunday Times. Every so often, a royal moment lands that feels important. A point in time when what happens next feels different to anything that's come before. And, in the words of Prince William,
Starting point is 00:00:50 about the royal family, about no longer being overwhelmed by history. He might just be signalling major change for the monarchy. Yes, in a quietly disarming television interview, Prince William has delivered his clearest vision yet of his values and the nature of the reign he intends to lead when he becomes king. Didn't come in a press release or a palace briefing, but in a simple conversation that some may see as entertainment,
Starting point is 00:01:17 but feels almost like a manifesto. Because within the jokes and whizzing around Windsor Castle on his scooter, Prince William is laying out a direction of travel that diverges from his father, and his grandmother. And in his words, I enjoy that change. I don't fear it. It's described as the ultimate bucket list. Apple TV's The Reluctant Traveller
Starting point is 00:01:42 with actor, writer and comedian Eugene Levy of Schitt's Creek fame. He travels the world and in this episode he meets Prince William. Welcome to London. Never felt more like a tourist. Thank you. Why don't you pop down to the castle
Starting point is 00:01:58 William from the Prince of Wales. Your Royal Highness. Nice to see you. We provide this service for everyone. We do personalised tours everywhere. What do you do when you're home? Sleep. Really?
Starting point is 00:02:13 When you've got three small children, sleep was an important part of my life. I'd say 2024 was the hardest year I've ever had. You know, life is sent to test us as well. And being able to overcome that is what makes us who we are. Eugene is there for a tour of Windsor Car. And his Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales, is his personal tour guide, with the Prince making his entrance on an electric scooter, saying it gets around quite nicely. It's quite fun. And there's a great deal of laughter, but there's also a lot of discussion about how William sees both his life and his role.
Starting point is 00:02:48 And remember, William does very few interviews. He chooses his words carefully. Now, some of this has already been revealed in teaser clips and trailers, but now it's here. for all to see. Roya, what do you think it showed about a confident prince ready to accept the responsibility of office? We've got an heir to the throne, throwing down the gauntlet, offering to ask real questions saying he's going to make changes. What did you make of it all? It was fascinating, absolutely fascinating. I thought he had so carefully, although it was very unscripted, and it comes from the unscripted department of Apple, which was fascinating.
Starting point is 00:03:29 I felt there were things that he wanted to put down on record. There were responses to Eugene Levy's questions that felt as if it was William saying, this is who I am and who I'm going to be as king. And I thought that line about tradition, given that he was walking around Windsor Castle with all its thousand-year-old tradition, but talking a lot about the future and what he wants to do, was very evocative of, as he said, a future monarch being not wanting to be. to be anchored down or rooted by tradition but preparing people his future subjects for what's coming what did you think yeah i agree i mean he everything about it said change didn't it and i think
Starting point is 00:04:07 he's talking about change on two fronts so he's talking about how to change the royal family as an institution he's going to ask questions he's not going to be beholden or way down by the past he's going around laughing at the armour of henry the eight at one point saying goodness he was actually quite a small man despite having this kind of big being a big historical figure that looms large in history and he's almost making light of that saying but at the same time he wants to keep tradition so he's talking about how he's going to change the institution of the royal family but then on a second point saying how he wants to change the royal family on a very nuclear level and we'll come on to that i mean he talks about the past his childhood and how that differs hopefully he says
Starting point is 00:04:53 quite differently for his children. He doesn't want to make the mistakes that his father did. Very personal that those, that bit of the conversation, wasn't it? So there's two things going on here, isn't there? There's like the personal, his personal journey, his personal family and then the institution, what he, his role as head of state.
Starting point is 00:05:12 And this is him coming into his own skin. I mean, it was so revelatory. It was extraordinary. And he's chosen not to do it with the BBC. He's not chosen to go down the kind of the traditional roots. he's not doing the Jonathan Dimbleby interview that his father did once this is something different
Starting point is 00:05:28 it's a comedian from a sitcom I thought it was very resting that that notion of changed by just arriving on an electric scooter into the quadrangle of the thousand-year-old Windsor car so it's like okay the notion that King Charles would ever go anywhere near an electric scooter and he loves his electric cars
Starting point is 00:05:44 that was a sort of tone setting wasn't it for the rest of the conversation I think let's pick up on one of the first really arresting quotes where he talked where he talked about, Eugene Levy said, doesn't all this sort of history overwhelm you? And he said,
Starting point is 00:05:56 it's not history that overwhelms me. There are other things that overwhelm me. When it's about the family, and there are family worries, that is what sometimes overwhelms me. And I thought that was fascinating because he got quite personal, quite quickly, didn't he?
Starting point is 00:06:13 He did. He came prepared, and he came open. And I think that was really interesting because we later learned from an age, And what he's talking about there is his wife's illness. Obviously, Kate's cancer treatment that she had last year. And he said, the family stuff, that's what overwhelms him.
Starting point is 00:06:31 That's the thing that really can get to him. Being King one day, he said, yeah, in the past, he did used to wake up and think, whoa, are we actually doing this? And they were his words. But he sort of come around to the idea, that's all fine. And any curveballs that come his way in terms of his public role, in terms of his job, he's now equipped to deal with that. That's what he's telling us. But the family stuff, he said, that really felt like the rug was being pulled out,
Starting point is 00:06:57 the metaphorical rug was being quickly pulled out from underneath my feet, he said, one point. We asked questions after the screening, didn't we? What was he, what's he refounded there? And his press secretary, very keen to say he's just talking about his father's and his wife's illness. But there is no way that people watching William say, what really overwhelms me is when, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:17 is the family worries. People are going to look at him and go, you're someone who's had two major illnesses in your family, your wife and your father. But all the issues with your brother, there's no way. I think I certainly watched him say that. And he might not have said the words Prince Harry. But I looked at him and thought, your family worries are also about your brother. It's been very distressing for the whole family, what's gone on in the last few years with, and for Harry.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Yeah, you're right. And there was only one point in the whole kind of 42-minute program where he mentions Harry. And that's when he's talking about their kind of shared upbringing. and that was interesting because that did feel a little bit like an olive branch where he's saying me and Harry had a terrible time growing up in terms of the public scrutiny and the media and this is something as well that comes up isn't it that it's obviously an open sore the scrutiny that his parents were subjected to.
Starting point is 00:08:06 That word he used insatiable, the insatiable media back in the 80s. Now he's saying was hopefully we've moved on. But when he was talking about that's when he referenced for the first time we've ever heard him talk about it all that lurid speculation that was going on online last year, when we knew the Princess of Wales had surgery, but there was no more information coming out of the palace. In that void, all sorts of conspiracy theories sprang up.
Starting point is 00:08:31 And that, he does actually address that. And he links that back to his childhood and that kind of media scrutiny. Wanting to be inside everywhere and know everything. And then talking about being grown up with the media now, knowing that he's got a role to play. And this is his concession. It's not the BBC sit down. where he gets grilled by Jeremy Paxman.
Starting point is 00:08:52 This is his concession where he's doing it on his own terms, giving a little bit away, being as open as I think we've ever seen him in terms of what his reign's going to look like. I thought the phrase there, when he was talking twofold, when he mentioned how difficult things were last year and everything was going on, he said it made doing the job quite hard.
Starting point is 00:09:12 It made just carrying on and sort of doing the job when all of this was going on last year, all the speculation around the Princes of Wales before they'd announced you had. cancer. And then when he linked it back, as you said, to his parents and the wild west of the insatiable media in the 80s and early 90s when his parents' marriage was breaking down. And he talked about the fact that his parents divorced at eight, the period of safety and comfort and stability for him, he said, ended when he was very young. And he said, that can affect
Starting point is 00:09:41 you. I know that can affect you when you're, you know, he says, I know the drama and the stress of that. And I felt there was a little bit of a reference to. Prince Harry there as well, acknowledging that they both had difficult childhoods and perhaps Harry's made some decisions based on that. And I thought what was really interesting as well was during the dog walk when they were walking with his dog, Ola, and usually leaving was asking him, you know, is your job nine to five? Now, William's workload is something that William and his team are constantly battling speculation and criticism about. People have caught in work shine in the past. people sometimes suggest you should be doing more engagements visibly, regardless of what he does
Starting point is 00:10:21 behind the scenes. And he was very clear. And I thought this was something he felt he wanted to say. He came with his cards ready to play, didn't he? He said it's not 9 to 5. I do a lot behind the scenes, but it's really important to me that I do the school run. I give them a really stable present because I'm setting them up for the future. And if he don't have that in the present, you're setting them up for a fall in the future. And that kind of felt like he was talking about his own childhood. He's grappled a lot of demons, hasn't he? It was him putting that down, wasn't it, saying, this is my decision. You can think what you like, but we're raising the children and we're going to be present parents for as long as possible.
Starting point is 00:10:55 And these are the two things combined again, isn't it? How he's running his nuclear royal family, how he's running the royal family as the institution. They're one and the same, of course, but in terms of that role versus his role as dad, you know, it's very difficult balancing that work-life balance. It's interesting where he talks about how they're raising the kids as well. He says, we're very strict. we don't let them have mobile phones. They do a lot of sports, you know. He talks about Louis and Charlotte beating each other up on the trampoline.
Starting point is 00:11:24 He talks about George and his hockey. And strict. He said they're quite strict about the phones. That's interesting because I suspect George and Charlotte at their age are probably... Well, I've got an 11-year-old who doesn't have a phone, but there are plenty of 12-year-olds like Prince George, who are certainly going up to secondary schools who do have phones. One of his great fears, I know Williams' great fears,
Starting point is 00:11:45 is the social media range and what it's going to be like is when George becomes, comes of age and is photographed much more and is followed much more in terms of sort of media interest and the social media age of George being out and about and photographed and filmed and know that plays on his mind. You can't really put that off by withholding phones from them, but it's coming and you can see how he's thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:12:06 This is the whole thing, as you can see the cogs turning in William's mind throughout the whole thing, can't you? And there's one point where he's talking about what sort of king he will be, talking about change asking questions like we discussed but then he's asked what do you think about prince george when he becomes king and he said that's a big question that's an interesting question i want it to be a role that my son is proud of yes so he's already thinking of i've got to make the change for an institution that's fit for purpose that he takes on and what actually wants to do yeah there's a question over it's interesting isn't it so much to say about this i mean
Starting point is 00:12:41 And the news revelations just come thick and fast, really. In terms of sort of the quote where he's talking about, you know, Eugene Levy says there's quite a lot of change coming then, isn't it? And he says, yes, but change for good. I thought it was interesting how he sort of dripped that line of not radical change, but making sure it's fit for purpose. These things that we've heard briefed out before. I want to ask the questions.
Starting point is 00:13:07 And it's sort of him saying during his grandmother's time, and a lot during his father's time, things have happened because they have always happened. Questions have been asked by courtiers. What did we do last time? Well, we're doing that because that's how it's always been done. Exactly. And he says, not under my reign, not going forward.
Starting point is 00:13:23 You talk about the late queen and the current king. Now, there's someone who is, as well as Harry, who's only really briefly mentioned once, although we get the sense of Harry throughout some of what he's saying about his childhood. The king isn't really mentioned at all. He talks about, in the pub scene, He talks about, you know, wanting to protect his family. He talks about Kate's illness and the king's illness.
Starting point is 00:13:43 So, well, you know, my father can protect himself. But we don't, apart from hearing that he doesn't want to repeat the mistakes of the past. He's not really in there, is he? The king is not really in that. What do you make of that? Take from that what you will. I mean, it's very hard to go out and set out your stall saying, I want to do things differently.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Things need to be changed because it's an inherent criticism of the way his father's doing things. So then directly relating it to your father would be quite awkward, I think. So he's on fast... Is it a deliberate admission, do you think? I think it's very difficult for him to talk about his father's reign at the same time as setting out his stall. So it is notable by his absence that he doesn't really talk about the king. He's on much safer territory talking about his late grandmother, isn't he? He points out the window to eat in college and says, oh, look, that's where I went to school.
Starting point is 00:14:30 We used to wander over here. She had the best teas. You know, we've gotten really well, particularly she got older. and my grandparents got it's interesting this is another thing families will all there's loads of things in here that all families will link to as personal experience as people get older they get more relaxed but more informal they come around to the younger generation's way of doing things talking about the evolution of that relationship with his grandmother because I think there's a sort of inherent view that you know William and his grandmother were always very close but actually in private he said before that wasn't always the case and he says it on the record here he says when I was younger it was much more formal and it got better as they were in their 80s and I grew up and we understood each other more and we were more aligned and I think there's also he tries to set that family scene much more you know we were here a lot in Windsor it's where her horses were we saw her kind of a lot because I think a lot of people think the queen was a slightly remote family figure but actually
Starting point is 00:15:24 everyone who knew her very well and her family would say at heart of it public figure but private figure she was a family woman who liked being in the country with her family and he sets that doesn't he? Yeah, and he does through the whole thing, doesn't he? He brings, wins a castle to life, not just for the history of it all, but also as a family home, there's one point where they're walking through St George's Hall. And he said, we used to run down here and get splinters in our feet from the wooden halls as, you know, me and my cousins. I know my children now, they've got a carpet down. So it's much easier for them. I love that that's the kind of the royal equivalent of they don't know how good they've got it, these youngsters. You know, the royal youngsters
Starting point is 00:16:00 nowadays have carpet down. They didn't get splinters in their feet running around St George's Hall like we used to do. But he does bring to life this idea of it as a home and setting out his stall that he ain't come back to London. He wants to stay in Windsor. They're just moving out of Adelaide Cottage, into Forest Lodge nearby. Him linking himself to the history of Windsor Castle's very clever, I think, in this.
Starting point is 00:16:24 He's telling the world, look, this is why I'm here. This is what I'm about. at pwc we don't just deliver ideas we make them work with the expertise in tech you need to outthink and outperform and we work with you alongside you from start to finish so you can stay ahead so you can protect what you built so you can create new value we build for what's next so you can get there now pwc so you can pwc refers to the pwc network and all one or more of its member firms, each of which is a separate legal entity. What do you think in terms of when he was talking about the family issues? I was so struck by
Starting point is 00:17:12 the quotes about family and family problems and curveballs overwhelming him beyond almost anything else. Because if I was William, I would think, gosh, the next role that's coming, and who knows when it's coming, long live the king, but the king is still battling cancer 19 months past diagnosis, that role is at some point on his nearish horizon. That I would imagine is very daunting, but to say that that's not what he wakes up every day worrying about more, that it's actually family problems and I would inference from that discord. Is that him saying life would have been easier if I hadn't had a rule of that, if I had had my brother around? He says that they've been very lucky so far with they hadn't had much illness until his father and wife got ill. I was so
Starting point is 00:17:57 fascinated by that being the thing he picked out is what overwhelms him, given he has a very stable family. I suppose that's the thing that he can't control, isn't it? There's so much of the family element that he can't control. The job is one thing, and he's now secure enough in that that he can do it. But you're right. I think clearly there's a lot that weighs on his mind. He doesn't wake up thinking, oh, one day I'm going to be king, what's that going to be like? Although it obviously overawed him as a child. But the family, yeah, the family element is there. But I didn't think he was, he comes across as somebody who is older than his years, slightly jaded by his experience.
Starting point is 00:18:33 He does sound convincing when he says he's optimistic about the future. What's interesting as well is the constant messaging we get from his team in Kensington Palace about, fine about what he wants to do domestically, homelessness and the environment. But we always get that global statesman thing, don't we? The global statesman thing on the international state meeting presidents and prime ministers and heads of state and I thought this was a very deliberate
Starting point is 00:18:58 choice by William to turn up in his shacket on his scooter in his trainers it's a very informal no helmet very informal chat
Starting point is 00:19:09 in the pub on a dog walk having a pint of cider Apple TV potentially a global audience of a billion and I thought that was a very concerted
Starting point is 00:19:20 messaging from him this is the other side of me this is the informal side of of me. I want you to see it. I want you to understand it as much as the global statesman and me on the balcony, me at the coronation, and me kissing my father. I'm the guy you can go to the pub with because that's the world that we're in. That's what people want to vote for. And although he doesn't need votes, he's going to have to bring the public along with him. Yeah, I totally agree with that. That's the kind of the informal William, isn't it? That he jokes in the pub about when
Starting point is 00:19:47 he was at St Andrew's University and his mates used to try and get around all 45 of the town's pubs in one pub crawl on one day. He didn't mention. of him and Kate were partaking in that little pub crawl. I bet he did. One point, really. The sneaky, the kind of sneaky smile. Well, interesting, I spoke to Eugene Levy. After he had done this, I interviewed him.
Starting point is 00:20:05 And, you know, he said that he didn't even finish that pint, first of all. He said that he was too busy chatting and he met his wife and things like that. Essentially, Levy comes across as this, you know, you think he's going to be this sort of bumbling sitcom character like we see on screen on American Pie. As William says, he loves the American Pie movies. And Schitt's Creek. But he's actually like this softly spoken Jeremy Paxman. He gets a lot out of him and he gets, like, he's landed a big scoop.
Starting point is 00:20:32 So he said, what did you make of what you think? And he said, well, he remembers, he's 78. He remembers watching on television, Queen Elizabeth II's coronation in 1953. He's old enough to remember that as a child. He says that to William as well. It's charming. And then he says, but what we're seeing now, I came away with a sense that this, we're going to see a kind of monarchy that has, the world has never seen before. And that's what he took home from that sort of interview.
Starting point is 00:20:59 And I think he's right. I think, you know, it's so clever. They say it's unscripted. I'm sure it was unscripted. But that's not to say that there wasn't a lot of negotiation and thought process that went around the messaging of William at the palace. Yeah, of course. So for so long we've seen William and Kate, so perfect, never put a foot wrong.
Starting point is 00:21:19 And actually, that's not always what you need in terms of PR. You know, you need to see... The human side. Who is this person? They can't be 2D anymore. They have to be three-dimensional. And that's what we're seeing, this informality that you spoke about.
Starting point is 00:21:33 A real drive there to get across, this is who we are, underneath the constitutional worlds that you see on the balcony at the set pieces, at trooping at the Sanitaph, at remembrance. It's like, if you're going to come with me
Starting point is 00:21:47 into the next rain, which is really, this was a window into it, understanding who I am and why I'm making decisions, now with me and my family for the future and this is kind of what you can expect down the line and it's not going to be the same as what's come before well let's remember so Christopher guy got his knighthood didn't he the late queen's private secretary nighthood for services to the transition
Starting point is 00:22:08 because there was so much thought process that went on what would happen when charles became king and of course those conversations are taking place now with william that's not to say any they were happening before with the king and queen exactly yeah precisely so it's all kind of manoeuvring in that way. I mean, there's one point where he says, Eugene, should we go outside? Somebody I'd like you to meet and we're thinking, oh, Kate's turned up.
Starting point is 00:22:31 That's the dog. It's the dog. It's all up. Not to say she doesn't have a star turn, but you know. I said to someone at the palace, you know, was there any consideration that Kate might take part? And they said, no, no, this is his, you know, it's his day.
Starting point is 00:22:45 It's his thing. And I think that's the right, that's probably the right way to play it, P.R. wise. It's his show. It's his show. It's very well done. I think it'll go to. down very well. And like you say, it's a global audience, too, a Canadian actor. Let's not
Starting point is 00:22:58 forget the Commonwealth. Well, he gets that right in there, doesn't he? As you see, Eugene Levy, he's like, he's there on the London bus before he goes to Windsor and he's talking about the fact that he's from Canada and growing up in school every day, they would swear the oath of allegiance and saying, God save the Queen. And that is, it's quite weird, that isn't it? And then he's going to see William, who you get the idea we know he's not going to have any of that, his coronation. He's not going to have a homage of the people. people not so much about swearing allegiance to the monics, more like, come with me if you want to come with me. This is what it's going to look like.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Come and have a pint. You don't need to stand up and hand on chest and yeah. Yeah. So this has been a long time in the planning. It was filmed in February. And at the beginning, we see a hand-signed note from William being delivered to the Goring Hotel where Eugene Levy is staying. And the day is 31st of January. This has been a long time since it was filmed. And even last year, they would have been having lots of negotiations about this. So how did it all, how did it all come about? There's a key figure here in the background who viewers won't hear from, but who I know when we did meet yesterday called Alison Kirkham,
Starting point is 00:24:09 who's head of unscripted at Apple TV. And she's someone who William knows very well and who he really trusts. Alison did, some listeners and viewers might remember he did a really interesting thing with Apple called A Time to Walk, which is sort of a podcast, but not quite a podcast. Again, quite revelatory, listening to ACDC with the kids. Walking around Sandringham in Norfolk with a sort of desert island dist style, choosing certain tracks that he really loves and talking about how they relate to his life, past and present.
Starting point is 00:24:43 And Alison was involved in that and sort of oversaw that. And he knows Alison Avald because she used to be at the BBC. She used to be very heavily involved in the big royal set piece moments, whether that was big interviews with the Royal Family or state occasions. So she is someone that he and his team really trust. And for all Eugene Levy's fame and however much William might love him
Starting point is 00:25:06 in his films and Schitts Creek, I think if it wasn't for Alison Noble seeing this, I don't think it would have happened. It is all about trust with him and his team. It's all about, yeah, it's all about contacts and personal connection, isn't it? Well, Apple's had a very good run with the Royal Family. Tim Cook was, the CEO,
Starting point is 00:25:21 was part of the Royal Preservation. wasn't he? Yes. At the state banquet when Trump came over with all the tech bros. And I think they probably, I suspect they can't quite believe
Starting point is 00:25:31 their luck in terms of what they got. King did a podcast as well, didn't he? He did like a Christmas podcast with Apple. Yes, exactly. Not to be left out. The King, choosing his Christmas playlist. But I think they will have
Starting point is 00:25:44 come to William and his team saying, look, we've done all this great work before. Where else can we take it? There have been murmurings and pieces and recently about the future. future, what's coming down the line. And there are definitely been things that William has wanted to have an outing with, as his team would say, to start flagging, to start talking about. And I suppose it will have gone from there and knowing, I think with William knowing he's in safe hands and
Starting point is 00:26:06 there's an element of control with that in terms of you can keep doing it until you get where you want to go, however natural you want to look. But I think, well, I know that they are delighted because as we've seen today and this week, it has dominated. It has dominated. the Royal Coverage. It's also not a conversation you want to be having when the King's seriously ill. Yeah. If that moment comes, we don't know what the future holds. But this, in a way, is getting the public ready for the kind of next transition in a safe way.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Yes, while things are stable and the King's still out there with a very full diary doing his thing. Engagements up in Scotland this week. Yeah. Doing his thing. So I agree. I think it's a, it's very clever, very clever timing. Messaging, yeah. Do you think, Kate, in terms of.
Starting point is 00:26:52 of us having to discuss that I felt you know we've both felt that there are things William came and wanted to say and put down on record maybe to change some perceptions of him that he might feel people have misconceptions or sort of conceptions based on fake news do you think it would change anyone's mind about any elements of his life and how he leads his life I think it will inform people I mean you and I obviously around and about the palace and the castle all the time so yeah all the time just what what's happening, William. But we see it in a way that other people don't.
Starting point is 00:27:26 So I think people coming to this and watching this, there's a point at the beginning of the program where Eugene Nevy says, you know, we've seen him grow up, you know, and they show lots of montage of him as a baby. We feel we know him. But do we actually know him? And I think most people probably don't know this, William.
Starting point is 00:27:44 You know, I was speaking to someone at the palace and they said, this actually is the first time I've seen on screen the guide that I speak to every day, that I have meetings with every day. in the way that he is most natural. And William says it doesn't want it to be a role that he puts on. It's a role, you know, it's in authentic self. It's the kind of buzzword of the age, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:28:04 But, you know, that's what you've got to show to people. I mean, what did you think? Do you think this will change people's view of him? Yeah, I think a lot of what I hear about William is very often when people go, people will say, what are they like? What's William like? What are they really like behind the scenes? People, I then hear people say, oh, William's, he's not so fun as he's his brother.
Starting point is 00:28:22 he's the more serious one he's the more I think you get I think you do get that but I think you I think it will change people's minds in terms of seeing that he can be quite relaxed and extremely honest when it's one on one he's funny as well he let's give it to him he does crack some good jokes see a bit of that and I think people will understand that there's a more relaxed side of William which you don't see very often or doesn't always come across when he's on manoeuvres but it's there and it's informing a lot of his thinking and it's informing a lot of his decision-making about now and the tone of what that reign will look like. And the tone of that reign is not going to be jeans and trainers when he's doing the king stuff. But it's a huge
Starting point is 00:29:02 part of him. So it is going to inform the reign of King William V. It's not going to be a stuffy potentially as his father and his grandmother because they are of another generation. It's him saying I'm of the next generation. This is what's coming. Come along with him on his scooter journey. Come along on the scooter ride with me. Are you optimistic? I am optimistic. I'm generally a very optimistic person, especially when I'm with someone like Yuzi.
Starting point is 00:29:29 You know, life is sent to test us as well, and it definitely can be challenging at times. And being able to overcome that is what makes us who we are. I'm, you know, I'm so proud of my wife and my father for how they've handled all of last year. My children have managed brilliantly as well. Well, I'm hoping every other prince I run, into is as nice, open, and human as you.
Starting point is 00:29:59 So there we have it. Big message? Unusual vehicle. But we heard William balance tradition with change and speak openly and candidly about the pressures of being in the royal family. And all of it set against a volatile fortnight. Within the past two weeks, we've seen the king lead the family and his soldiers up to the top of the hill. at Windsor and successful state visit with President Trump. Almost as soon as that triumph was over, Prince Harry accused the men in grey suits at the palace of sabotaging the reconciliation he has with his father,
Starting point is 00:30:32 and the not-so-grand Duke and Duchess of York brought the whole thing crashing back to earth with a resounding Epstein revelation. It's been made clear that Duke and Duchess are expected to do the honourable thing and fade into the background becoming invisible. And then this comes along. It's as if William has arrived to bring new hope for the monarchy.
Starting point is 00:30:54 And if this was William's mission statement, it's come at just the right time. Judging from the reaction in America, audiences are suitably charmed, aren't me Kate? Yes, one says, I love Prince William's sense of humour. He's a wonderful man. Another one says, I loved this interview. It's so wonderful to hear Prince Williams in capital's wonderful voice. Another, it keeps coming. coming. Prince William is great, good sense of humour. Another one said,
Starting point is 00:31:21 The Future King of England comes across as warm, genuine caring. I think the palace and the future king will see that as a good result. If you want to get in touch, you can email us at the Royals at thetimes.co.com. UK. Until next time, bye Kate. Bye, Roya. At PWC, we don't just deliver ideas. We make them work. With the expertise in tech, you need to outthink and outperform, and we work with you, alongside you, from start to finish. So you can stay ahead, so you can protect what you built, so you can create new value.
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