The Royals with Roya and Kate - The King and Archbishop

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

A busy week for the King, who as head of the Church of England accepts the Archbishop of Canterbury's resignation. The first for nearly five hundred years. Plus King Charles celebrates his 76th birthday; Prince William is in Belfast and Prince Andrew stumps up the cash to remain at Royal Lodge - for the time being? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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there are developments in the siege of Royal Lodge. So Kate, there really is only one place we can begin in this week's episode and that is with the resignation of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. On Tuesday, he exchanged words via their private offices with the King to tend to his resignation, and he gave the following statement. Having sought the gracious permission

of His Majesty the King, I have decided to resign as Archbishop of Canterbury. The Macon Review has exposed the long-maintained conspiracy of silence about the heinous abuses of John Smythe. When I was informed in 2013 and told that police had been notified, I believed wrongly that an appropriate resolution would follow. It is very clear that I must take

personal and institutional responsibility for the long and re-traumatizing period between 2013 and 2024. So Kate, what happened and why is this so important? Well, I think it was an extraordinary week for the Church and the monarchy by reference. The writing was on the wall when the Prime Minister said shortly before midday on Tuesday that abuse victims had been failed very badly by the Church of England. But there was something else going on behind the scenes because that wasn't the final nail

in the coffin. That had already arrived for Justin Welby. He's been Archbishop for 11 years. He went to tender his resignation to the King that was via senior aides and a report by Keith Makin, director of social services, into prolific, brutal and horrific abuses which were committed by John Smythe, who's a barrister and a former friend of Justin Welby, the Archbishop. He attacked up to 130 boys in Britain, Zimbabwe and South Africa over several decades. And the questions have been bubbling around for years. What did the Archbishop of Canterbury know?

Did he do enough? He said that he was aware that this had been referred to the police, but in actual fact, he wasn't really raised by the police until years later. There's been criticism of Justin Welby because he didn't do enough, didn't follow up on it. And now he's always been one for saying that you need to take responsibility and here he is taking responsibility, but it is unprecedented. He's the second Archbishop of Canterbury ever to resign, and actually the first one wasn't

so much as a resignation as much as in 1690, the then Archbishop of Canterbury just refused to swear allegiance to William and Mary. That was William Sandcroft. So this is extraordinary really and a huge headache for the King who of course is head of the Church of England. Because Justin Welby over the last few years during his tenure has developed quite strong bonds, quite close bonds with members of the royal family. He has presided over some of their biggest state occasions, some of their biggest family moments, the funeral of the late queen, the funeral of the late Duke of Edinburgh,

the royal weddings, Harry and Meghan's wedding, the coronation, these huge landmark moments that Justin Welby has sort of stamped onto in terms of history. And it's a sad way to end for him, isn't it? To end that sort of tournament. I mean, I think everyone feels it had to happen. He had to resign. But it's, I suppose, with the Royal Family,

when you develop that kind of relationship with him, and I think, you know, I know he had, you know, quite strong personal links to some members of the Royal Family, when you develop that kind of relationship with him, and I think, you know, I know he had quite strong personal links to some members of the Royal Family, and, you know, they talked to him in confidence about all sorts of things over the years. To suddenly lose that person when you're not perhaps expecting it, you know, he was going to go next year, just at the end of his term, I think. He had, however long he had to go, there's a cutoff date in terms of age. But I think for the Royal

Family it will be you know they'll be thinking or who you know who will be the person that replaces him when we have those moments where we want to talk about something to do with faith or something very personal who you know you don't pick up the phone to him now. I mean yes the relationship between I suppose the monarch as head of the Church of England and the Archbishop of Canterbury is an interesting one. How big a thing how deeply do you think the Royal Family will feel that in terms of his loss? Well, I think it is the kind of sparks that kind of constitutional question, doesn't it? Because how, at the moment, they don't really know whether he will stay in post because

there's not been, there's not a kind of rule book to follow from that point of view. He was due to retire, like you say, in early 2026. and there would have been a process which would have taken around nine months to replace him. Even that process has changed recently. So whereas previously there would be one person on the Crown Nominations Commission from overseas who would help advise and appoint a new archbishop, there are now going to be five international people who are selected to help be on that board of 17 who will make that decision. Now the church, it's an unfortunate time for the king because it's coming so soon into his reign, it's an unfortunate time for the church when there's so much division within the church.

Since the beginning of 2023 they've had to appoint six new bishops, and two of those, they've failed to appoint because they haven't been able to find that two-thirds majority. So there's a lot of fractions within the church. The king, of course, is somebody who likes to kind of bring people together, bring the church together, bring different faiths together even. So I think he'll be feeling it. It was interesting to me, and I don't know what you felt about this, was it was very clear from Buckingham Palace that this had all been done between intermediaries. There'll be no public words from the King expected on the subject until Wellby's formal departure and at this stage we don't know when that will be.

But do you think it's interesting that he didn't pick up the phone to him? Didn't have that kind of personal touch? he's trying to distance himself from the scandal. Maybe, because, yeah, I do actually, because I know that, you know, that in the run-up to the coronation, I mean, you know, there was a lot of contact. And, you know, Justin Welby was giving the King spiritual guidance in the run-up to the coronation and meeting with him quite regularly to talk about not only the, you know, what every little bit of the service meant, but also to talk about, you know,

the huge great responsibility of being monarch and all of that. And I mean, I'm, you know, I suspect that since the King found out that he was ill and had cancer, I suspect, you know, his faith has been important to him and there have probably been conversations about that with Justin.

So I suppose when something like that happens in those circumstances the king sort of has to put a bit of distance between himself and the archbishop. You're right he has got he has gone above and beyond hasn't he in terms of helping the royal family. I remember when Harry and Meghan were getting married and they had that kind of point at which Meghan later said to Oprah oh we were actually married by the archbishop beforehand before the big wedding day. Which turned out to be fake news. But what he'd actually done is, you know, he'd stepped in and had like a little blessing ceremony with them. But he had to come out and go on the record and say, I didn't marry

them two days before because that would of course have been illegal. And he actually had to go on the record and correct something the member of the Royal Family said. So he's been there, you the record and correct something the member of the royal family said. So he's been there, you know, and he's certainly in the early days of Harry and Meghan, you know, finding their feet here and then it going quite wrong. I know he was very, they were in touch with him a lot

to try and sort of seek guidance. So he has been at the heart of some really difficult big family moments over the last few years in terms of the royal family. But we'll wait and see how Lambeth Palace announced that process of finding the Yorkshire ship will happen in due course. Indeed. Well this all came in a week that King Charles had something happy to celebrate as well because he turned 76. So how does the man who's got everything

what does he do to celebrate? Nothing says happy birthday like food waste. Nothing says happy birthday like a trip to the trading centre. Nothing says happy birthday like a food waste engagement. Which was the first anniversary, the first birthday for the Coronation Food Project. And if you're still listening, that is a cause very dear to the King's heart. Food waste, food surplus, how not to waste it, how to give food that would have gone to waste

to people who need food who don't have enough. So the King took himself off to Deptford, where he opened a new Coronation Food Project hub, and he was serenaded by lots of schoolchildren and given a big old cake. Actually, he looked pretty, he looked quite perky yesterday, didn't he? He did look quite perky. No didn't he? He did look quite perky. No Camilla though?

No Camilla. She's been at some engagements as she recovers from her chest infection, but that one with all the little kids, probably a good idea to give it a miss with all the germs. And then he was over video link, wasn't he, to open the hub in Liverpool as well. And that was a bit patchy,

but I thought he pulled that off quite well. It's very Charles to do, to mark one's birthday with something as, what's the word for it? Wholesome is the wrong word, but sort of worthy. But it's a cause last year when we were like, how's he going to celebrate his 75th with the Coronation Food Project by launching it? And this is a scheme that has tried to sort of build and scale up hubs all over the country to minimize food waste and provide freezers and just just generally cut waste because the king can't stand waste and if you talk to anyone who knows him or who works with him or in his family they will tell you how you know a bit of cake will appear on Monday and it will reappear every

single day however many weeks that takes until that bit of cake is gone. We were very kindly invited both of us to High Grove this week and had afternoon tea, but as we left we were given little doggy bags to take all the leftovers home with. We were. Which was nice, which speaks to that. I mean, it is a good project.

In the past year, they've saved enough food to have more than six million meals redistributed and lots of children from the local primary school in Peckham which was nice to see, got a big card, it was all very jolly wasn't it? So he had a nice birthday during the day working and then in the, did he do anything in the evening? Well the evening before did, because he was on the red carpet for the Gladiator 2 premiere. Sadly, solo again.

No committed by his side still recovering then. Solo, yeah. Do you think he knew who Paul Maskell was? I hope so. Do you think you've been briefed? The man who plays the one in the skirt in the film is quite a big deal, Your Majesty. Yeah.

Was he entertained? He did well, I thought. He got out, he Majesty. Yeah. Was he entertained? He did well, I thought. He got out, he was shaking hands. There was a reception earlier in the day, of course, at Buckingham Palace, which the Queen was in attendance at. And that was for stars. Lots of lovies. Lots of lovies.

Stage and screen, big screen, little screen. They saw all sorts of people there, and the Queen was on good form. So coughing away, but actually, I think they were quite keen big screen, little screen. They saw all sorts of people there and the Queen was on good form. So coughing away, but actually I think they were quite keen to show that she was, as she said herself, yeah, on the mend. And Lenny Henry had invited her out for a Nando's. Do you think the Queen's ever had a Nando's?

No. I don't either. No. Do you think the King knows what a Nando's is? No. No. I don't either. Anyway, we look forward to seeing much more of the Queen very soon.

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And we are both from the Money Team at The Times and Sunday Times. And our new podcast is called Feel Better About Money. It's a safe place to talk positively about money and personal finance. Each week, we will tackle a specific financial topic from managing debt, saving for a pension, buying a house or deciding whether to insure your cat or dog or goldfish. Feel Better About Money is sponsored by Lloyd's Readymade Investments. You've been busy as well, Roya.

Back on a plane again. You're racking up the air, Miles. I am. Ash, we move into Will's week. Will's week. We'll find out what Will's been up to this week. And you went to Belfast. So tell us what he was doing there and what you got to see when you were there. I did slightly reluctantly get myself on another plane. I think I've had enough of planes just for the next couple of weeks would be good. But if I went to Belfast yesterday,

William was doing two engagements. I did the first engagement with William yesterday which was with a charity called the Simon Community and they're a homelessness charity and they work with young people in Belfast, particularly young people they've got a great program who have been in care or are coming out of care. And we wrote a place called The Foyer, which is a temporary accommodation center in Belfast. And it gives people who have struggled and William met some people yesterday, some young people who, you know, one guy, Thomas, had been in care for 12 years. He'd moved seven times during those 12 years. And he was, you know, William wanted to hear. The whole point of the day was for William to hear

what's working in getting young people in care sooner and preventing them from becoming homeless, what isn't working. And definitely what he heard from all the young people he met was that people aren't getting to them early enough. So that, you know, they're finding themselves ending up in hospital or just in and out of so many different homes.

And one of the things that's quite interesting, there was a girl there called Sherry who was a teenager, and she had been in care since the age of 12. She'd had a family breakdown, and an abusive and alcoholic mother is how she described her. And what she said to William was, people just think it's old

alcoholics on the street who are homeless. People don't see us. And you know, that went, you could just see something slightly kind of with William, because that's the whole thing, isn't it? In his documentary and everything about his Homewoods project is trying to change the narrative around homelessness isn't just rough sleeping. It's all this unseen homelessness amongst young people, young people in care, people who fall out of employment. So that was, he was there to kind of listen to what the Homeless Team in Northern Ireland

have been doing, that they have a really interesting Housing First initiative. And Williams has been very taken by the Housing First sort of concept, Finland has been brilliant at using it. And Housing First basically finds people who are homeless, identifies them, and gives them accommodation straight away. So they don't go through all the red tape of how to get housing. Put them in housing straight away,

and then they provide the rep around services, mental health, health, whatever they need. And that's been hugely successful in Finland. Finland has almost halved its homelessness. And Northern Ireland, this homeless Northern Ireland initiative with Simon Community does that a lot and actually a lot of these young people had really benefited from it so it was really it was interesting. That's one of the six places isn't it? Northern Ireland is one of the six locations for his home. Yeah it wasn't. You could see him kind of really taking it in. I could. It

sadly wasn't the engagement that made the headlines yesterday There was a more slightly more slightly sexier engagement second engagement picture-friendly. Yeah one and that was where he was on Visiting visiting Ulster University their creative center there and he was on a motorbike wasn't he a kind of static stationary motorbike But in the background there was this green green screen kind of LED background where they can put on any scene they want and in this case it looked like William was speeding through the Arizona desert, of course he wasn't. Looking very small and slightly awkward. But he was very keen to get on the motorbike, we know he likes his motorbike. I've been seen riding Ducatties and his wife has said that his motorbike riding

fills her with horror hasn't't she, in the past? So I don't know how much of it he's still allowed to do, but he said he couldn't resist to get on it. He's probably just allowed to get on a bike against a green screen. That's probably the extent of his petrolhead activities at the moment. Oh, bless him. It was rescheduled, wasn't it, yesterday? It was supposed to happen, wasn't it, in May? Yeah, in May. It was part of all this trash of engagements

that the King and Queen and William had all scheduled for May, and then Rishi called an early election, and everything was cleared. It's been the year of postponements, cancellations, rescheduling, hasn't it? Because, of course, the illness with the King and Princess of Wales as well, but yeah, the election did throw a lot out.

So this was supposed to happen then. Now it's happened now. But it was a fairly warm reception. I mean, you were there, you know better than me. But then we could all see on social media as he left Ulster University, there were social media videos were showing him being booed. There were some kind of hecklers as he went to the car. They gave us a little wave.

No people sort of shouting to the future king about free Palestine and Palestine and Gaza. But we're seeing more of this, aren't we now, the hecklers at Royal Engagements. Do you think it matters? Do you think it's part of a series? Or is it just becoming more prevalent? Or is it just one-offs that are unfortunate? It's really interesting. I mean, it takes me back to Canberra and the big protests there in Parliament.

And we talked about that a lot afterwards, didn't we? And we both sort of agreed that that wouldn't have happened with the late Queen. And is there some, I'm just thinking out loud here, but is there something about we're in a new reign and that, you know, there was this, the age of deference is the wrong way to describe it. There was a certain level of respect for the queen

and, you know, how she rolled that I think even people who probably wanted to protest, not all of them did because it was the queen and she'd been around for a long time and she'd really done a bit. It just feels like something has slightly changed there. Yeah. And these royal and, you know, not all of them, but royal engagements now are,

it feels like under this reign, not necessarily just for the King, as you said, with William and other members of the Royal Family, to more of a target for, as places of protest. Yeah. And things are changing as well, aren't they? Everything's on social media. They know that that's gonna go round in a way that perhaps wouldn't have done 10, 20 years ago.

If I was the Royal Family, I think I would take heart from it in a way, because the people who are protesting think these are high profile things and they're getting a lot of traction. So they think they're gonna be so... With the day that nobody cares and nobody turns up, they're probably a lot of traction. Yeah, so they think they you know, they're gonna be so I was today that nobody cares And nobody turns up. They're probably gonna be worried about well exactly

I mean at the big you know beginning of the Kings Day and we had eggs being thrown at him and come in I didn't we when they were on on maneuvers, but then The Queen and Prince Philip had had eggs thrown at them, too. Now Kate. We've all been following Drumroll. Oh my goodness siege of Royal Lodge very closely on this podcast as well as in the paper. And last week, there was another development of the story. Tell us about that development, Kate. So to summarize briefly the story up until now, Prince Andrew, who stepped down from

royal duties five years ago in 2019 after that news night, the disastrous news night interview in which he tried to explain away his friendship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Andrew stepped down from duties and ever since has remained in situ at Royal Lodge, his home where he has a commercial lease. He lives with his former wife Sarah Ferguson there and they're set up that works very well for them. Happiest divorced couple she says. they are the happiest divorce couple in the country I would say probably it works for them anyway to some extent and they have a lease to stay there and up until now the King has been paying them money

to provide security which is estimated to be three million pounds a year and on top of that a living allowance which is estimated to be three million pounds a year. And on top of that, a living allowance, which is estimated to be anything around one, two million and even upwards of that. The king's had enough. He doesn't want to keep paying out for them to live there. Thinks they should move to Frogmore Cottage, Meghan and Harry's old house. And that's within the security cordon,

would be a lot cheaper to provide security and more fitting to Andrew's status. And it would mean that he would have a home there for the rest of his life. When William becomes king, he wouldn't have to go to William Capinhand to ask for money because good luck with that. I think we can all agree.

But now, King has cut him off. It looked like he was, you know, the removals vans would have to turn up at some point. But Andrew now has found a way to pay his own upkeep from what I'm told is legitimate means. So Michael Stevens, the keeper of the privy purse, has signed these monies off to say this is legitimate, it's not from anywhere dodgy, and he's allowed to stay providing he can pay his own way. Now how long, how much of that money is and how long he's got to stay there remains to be seen. But it's an interesting kind of twist or continuation of the story

really that's been described as the siege of Royal Lodge. Now he's not a working member of the Royal Family. In theory, he's free to go and earn money as he sees fit. We just wonder how and where that money's come from. I mean, I've said it to you before, and we've talked about it. I always thought he'd find a way to stay at Royal Lodge. I never thought he was going to leave. And I suspect he will be in there for the rest of this reign.

For this reign, yeah. Well, that's interesting because I think, if he, well, even if he can find the money, I mean, I don't think he's on his uppers in that respect. There must be money from the Queen Mother. There'll be money that he would have had before. He might not have disclosed this to Charles, and Charles is funding his lifestyle. Maybe not. He might have kept that quiet.

So perhaps the King has been surprised to find that he has the means to stay, but how long? There were the calls, you know, after your story the next day, of people saying, you know, some papers saying, tell us where you got this money from. Where has this money come from? So even though it might have temporarily solved one of his problems, it's, you know, the questions around Andrew will always swell. They just do always swell, don't they?

And yeah, and at the heart of this, I think, it's still something I'm trying to figure out is. Why poke the bear? I mean, why doesn't the king just let sleeping dogs lie, leave him in there? Because it's not great, you know, it's not a great habit that's all kind of being turned up. It's not a good look for the king. Or for Andrew, let's face it, because if Andrew is making money or doing deals based on who he is as a member of the royal family

and what is he offering in return? Is he going to do dinners and speak about his late mother or whatever it may be? Is that a great use of promoting the royal family or using the royal family and using his royal title in that way? Even though he's not a working member of the royal family, I think he's going to have to be quite careful as to how he brings that money in. And it's not insignificant amounts of money. You know, at minimum, he's looking at trying to find five million pounds a year. I think the King just slightly wishes that it would all go quiet, doesn't he? And Andrew would just live a quiet life, which I think he relatively does.

I mean, we don't hear from him much. We don't see him much. He occasionally rides a horse and plays a bit of golf. Andrew, 64, King now 76. But those sort of childhood sibling rivalries I think are what's at the heart of this which is really fascinating. Anyway, the Siege of Royal Lodge, I'm sure there'll be another chapter. Before we go Kate, a quick look ahead because this week the Princess of Wales announced in some very happy news that she will be hosting her Christmas Carol serves again this year, and that's going to be on December the 6th.

And as for the last three years, it's going to be broadcast on ITV on Christmas Eve. So we know that this was one of the key events, along with the Senator harping at the Senator and the Festival of Remembrance last week, where we saw her, that she really, really, really wanted to host and take forwards because this will be the fourth year she's done it. The theme is Together at Christmas. It's all about people who do great things in the communities. This year there's a theme of empathy and love and kindness and people who help each other.

And it feels very much like a lot of the language in the press release that came from Kensington Palace echoed with the messages we've heard from Kate herself, I think, in the last few months. She's given a couple of messages and made that video when she finished her chemotherapy that talked all about a light coming out of the darkness. And that was in there and the importance of just loving and being loved.

And all of that was sort of wrapped up in this happy jolly Christmas present of a press release wasn't it? It was wasn't it? I thought what was really interesting about it was not just how it tallied with what she said in the past but what William said in Cape Town as well about bringing empathy, that word empathy again, bringing empathy to leadership, bringing empathy to the role that they do. That was interesting wasn't it when he said that just the day after Donald Trump had been elected. Yes, no connection.

More empathy in the world. And also, you know, the fourth year she's done it, but a particularly poignant year because of course, you know, she's overcome cancer. And like you say, one of the things that she really wanted to do, like Remembrance Day weekend, the service and the festival at Royal Albert Hall. I think in a year where we've heard William talk about it being brutal, dreadful, and the hardest year in my life, this is going to be not a dry eye in the house when she does this.

And it will be broadcast, like you say, on television. It's obviously something that means a lot to her. There's going to be told it's going to draw on the Christmas story, obviously, because it's a carol service. But it's interesting, there's been a lot of discussion around about, you know, Kate's relationship with the church, William's relationship with the church. And this is a kind of a tie with Westminster Abbey, something she does every year. She'll take the children along.

And I think when we see that Wales family at the Abbey all together, I think that's going to be quite a moment. Yeah, I think it will be. And we, of course, we saw her last weekend twice in two days, which is the first time she's done engagements on two consecutive days for a very long time. And it was on Saturday night, we saw her at the Albert Hall and you know we knew that would be our front page picture and it was great to see her

out particularly at a weekend when we didn't have the Queen because the Queen was you know unwell and still resting at home and one in one out. Big deal for the Queen not to be at the Cenotaph. Yeah. But you know the right decision I'm sure for her health-wise but a very big deal because you know it's a huge thing for them so you really had you know at the Senate off the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Edinburgh is the two kind of you know women you know standing there together. In that central balcony overlooking Whitehall.

But I think everyone felt very you know the nation I think and people who are you know who looked forward to seeing her were very pleased to see her looking very well back out. She did yeah I think two engagements in two days was probably quite a lot for her, given that she's been recovering. But yeah, it's interesting. I think it was really good that she was there for the royal family.

Like you say, the queen wasn't. The queen was ill five years ago with a chest infection again and missed that Fields of Remem remembrance at Westminster Abbey on the Thursday but rallied and was able to be at the Cenotaph on the Sunday. Now this year she wasn't, you know, at 77. Perhaps it takes longer to bounce back from these things. She's fresh off the back of a trip to Australia and Samoa. But we've seen her this week. She's obviously, you know, like she says, on the mend. And there are some other engagements, aren't there, in the diary that we know about that will be coming up? Yes, watch this space.

And there was a thing about the Christmas, just going back to the Christmas Carol concert, was the teaser video was interesting on Instagram. And now we've seen that strategy of a teaser video before. The invitation's being printed. Yes, the invitation's being printed off with the kind of sea with her crest embossed in gold on the invitations and the sort of snow falling. Looking forward to getting your invitation, Kate? I am, I am. And it's lovely, it's so festive at the Abbey, isn't it? And if anyone wants to know more about the Abbey,

you can always listen to our Westminster Abbey special that we did earlier in the year. Nice segue, yes. We had it all to ourselves and it's lots of detail and lots of history in there so fill your boots. Anyway, good plug, I love it. How often can you say a gift is truly unique? When you gift a loved one an Ancestry DNA test, you're giving them the keys to unlock their own personal journey of discovery. And with our festive sale now on, you can save on a truly meaningful gift.

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