The Royals with Roya and Kate - The King's cancer message & William and Kate's Scottish getaway

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

The King shares a personal message about his cancer journey at a Buckingham Palace reception for cancer charities. Meanwhile, William and Kate mark their anniversary with a low-key trip to Scotland an...d Prince Andrew is once again under scrutiny following renewed questions about his future in the wake of Virginia Giuffre’s tragic death. Kate and Roya also unpack Meghan’s unexpected use of the HRH title which has reignited debate over the Sussexes’ royal exit.Image: Getty Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, it's Morgan from Off the Shelf and I'm here to tell you how my Google Pixel 9 helps me read more. Google actually gifted me this phone and now I use it non-stop. The other day, I was trying to remember the name of this book someone recommended and instead of spiraling into a 40 minute social media scroll, I just asked Gemini on my Pixel. What's that romantic book with a competition and a ghost helping her through the trials. It's like having that one friend who always knows what you're talking about. Learn more about the Google Pixel 9 at store.google.com. This week, a poignant return to public life for the King as he issues a deeply personal
Starting point is 00:00:41 message ahead of a reception for cancer charities at Buckingham Palace. Meanwhile, William and Kate's quiet anniversary trip to Scotland hints at a royal couple emerging from a very difficult year. Prince Andrew finds himself back in the spotlight, this time amid renewed questions about his royal future following the tragic death of Virginia Dufray. And Meghan's surprising use of the HRH has once again ignited debate over the Sussexes departure deal. All that and more on the royals with Roya, a sombre moment to begin this week, but a significant one nonetheless.
Starting point is 00:01:36 It was a very poignant moment actually. Yesterday, and you were there with the King and Queen, they were hosting a reception at Buckingham Palace to mark the work being done by cancer charities across the UK. And of course this isn't just a symbolic gesture from the King, this is personal, isn't it? It was very personal and we had that message from the King yesterday which he had written in the programme for the people who were attending this reception and it was I think the most personal message we've had from the King about what it was like to receive a cancer diagnosis. Yes that was certainly how it was trailed by the
Starting point is 00:02:12 palace you know to great kind of fanfare. His most personal message yeah it's his most personal most lyrical reflection yet on what it's like to have cancer. He talked about it being a daunting and at times frightening experience for not just those who are diagnosed of course but the families who love them as well. He tried to keep it, it's an interesting balance for him isn't it, the King, because there is of course so much interest from us, from the wider public about the fact that he's still receiving cancer treatment, how he's finding it, how he's you know battling with it, but also he's very intent on not making it about him, isn't he? And making the focus wider in
Starting point is 00:02:54 terms of the great people in communities and nurses and cancer charities that support cancer patients like him. And he tried to bring hope into that message too, didn't he? Yeah that's right, I think that that's the thing, isn't it, that he wants it to be uplifting. He talked about, he made reference to the late Dame Deborah James, who was known as Baalbae, because she's the woman who a couple of years ago died aged 40 of bowel cancer, but before that raised millions of pounds for charity, and perhaps more importantly, raised awareness of pounds for charity and perhaps more importantly
Starting point is 00:03:25 raised awareness of the issues and the symptoms surrounding cancer. And he quoted her actually in this message saying, he echoed her words which were, find a life worth enjoying, take risks, love deeply, have no regrets and always, always have rebellious hope. I love that quote. It's fantastic. Yeah, it is. And for the King to echo that, I think is really, it was really poignant. It was a really emotional, had emotional impact, I think, because that's certainly how I think
Starting point is 00:03:57 he feels about it. Over a year on, he's still having cancer treatment. And actually, you know, we started talking about this saying it was a somber moment. But actually last night's reception was really jolly. Outlifting. Deborah James's parents were there. They said it was an honour for the King to have used the words in his message. I loved that her father was wearing his rebellious hope socks.
Starting point is 00:04:19 And he bought it. Which kept flashing. Yeah, Alistair James, the late Dame Deborah's father, had these socks on and he had rebellious hope embroidered in them. He was flashing them. They're such a lovely couple as well. And the king, I think it meant such a lot for the king to meet them, to both the king and to them. And he said, look, I'm so sorry, I didn't get the chance to meet your daughter, but she seems like a force of nature. they said yes she was. What was interesting was seeing him and the Queen with so many different cancer charities, many of which they're patrons of and have been for a very long time and he talked about
Starting point is 00:04:55 the fact that he talked about how frightening cancer diagnosis can be, he talked about me being one of the statistics which I thought was interesting. A leveler isn't it? I think that was the point he was making. But he mentioned that the darkest moments of illness, and he's been through a few, I would imagine, can be illuminated by the greatest compassion. And I think that's what he and the Queen were trying to highlight yesterday was
Starting point is 00:05:15 the amazing compassion from all those people who work for cancer charities, who support cancer patients and communities, that out of something as horrendous as a cancer diagnosis as it can be, and of course it's not just him, you know the Princess of Wales had her own one last year. He talks about his the whole the gratitude of my entire family sort of bringing bringing Catherine into that under that umbrella.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Yeah he's trying to sort of find the positives and and you know the hope that he talks about at the end. And one of the things that was mentioned to us and is constantly mentioned to us, but we see it, is the fact that he is living with cancer and he's living actively with cancer at the moment. Very actively. Because we've just been in Italy with him on the sleep visit. Last year we went to Australia and Samoa
Starting point is 00:05:58 when he was receiving his treatment. So he's made a decision, and we've talked about this, to just crack on. Pull out on. Absolutely. To have his treatment and be as active as he can. And enjoy it as well and last night there was a sense of enjoyment as well. There was this choir called Change and Check, which was set up by Lorraine Kelly from ITV TV presenter fame and Helen Addis, a TV presenter. They were all wearing pink and the Queen said I wish I had worn pink as well and
Starting point is 00:06:24 they performed there in the ballroom at Buckingham Palace and then the King spent a long time and the Queen chatting to guests and things like that. At one point he met somebody from a charity and they make wigs for young girls, particularly real hair wigs for those who've gone through chemotherapy or other cancer treatments and lost their hair as a result so that they can you know feel better about themselves and feel like they can still have some hair and they said well if you if you grow your hair Charles for ten inches then you can donate to us and he said well I'm even having trouble to grow my eyebrows at the moment so we hear
Starting point is 00:06:59 those little snippets about how he's coming along and the impact it's had that treatment is having on him and of course he was in hospital briefly before he went to Italy. So it's interesting to see there's a huge energy, there's huge optimism from the palace and from him particularly, but he is having a toll. We've both seen him looking tired. Yeah, we have. Notable guests there, they were, Charles and Camilla are supported by the Duchess of Gloucester. Amazing. But Fergie was there. Yes, the Duchess of York.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Duchess of York had a very, very rare appearance at an official engagement. Now, of course, and surprise appearance. She just sort of pinged up out of nowhere. I mean, I think it's interesting. They are, you know, I interviewed Fergie last year and she talked about how close she still is to the king. And I've always found that, you know, through interviewed Fergie last year and she talked about how close she still is to the King. And I've always found that, you know, through all the sort of thick and thin of what goes on with the Duke of York and we'll come on to that, it's very interesting to me that Charlson come and keep that link with her.
Starting point is 00:07:54 I mean, they're fond of her. They're very fond of her. And she mentioned, I still love the fact that he calls me Fergie all these years later. I mean, she's known him since they were both children. But of course, she is someone who's been through and survived two cancer diagnoses. Screen cancer and breast cancer. Like the King, she knows where she speaks when she's talking to those guests. But it was really interesting for me to see her there at an official engagement.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Her former husband can't do those, but Fergie can and that's fascinating. Well she can, yeah. I think she hasn't really been disgraceful in the same way that he has in that respect. But she has a legitimate reason to be a cancer reception Of course because of her own experience and the way not just that, you know She said to me last night that she has been supporting teenage cancer She does a lot for Teenage Cancer Trust For over 35 years. You know her father suffered from cancer, her stepfather suffered from cancer She's been through major surgery to have breast removed from breast cancer.
Starting point is 00:08:46 And she's still got a sense of humor about the whole thing, you know, she jokes that her boobs are called Eric and Derek. Yes, that made it into print last year. Things I thought I never thought I'd write. And, you know, and then she had the melanoma as well at the back of that within a very short space of time. And she is, yeah, and I'm not surprised the King and Queen are fond of her she's so resilient and jolly with it. She's resilient for sure.
Starting point is 00:09:09 And I think that it's a really interesting dynamic isn't it that she has been that bridge between Prince Andrew and his brother the King. There was one guest there was one bit in the line-up that made me chuckle which was when the King came in to meet the guest, West Reating of course the House Secretary was first in the line-uple, which was when the King came in to meet the guests, West Streeting, of course, the House Secretary was first in the line up. And he did say to the King, this is someone who puts himself out there, you know, most mornings to do, you know, various political programs to be grilled by journalists. And he said to the King, this is my first line up, so I'm a bit nervous.
Starting point is 00:09:40 A bit nervous. He was as well. Yeah, he could tell. He was a bit nervous. I mean, again, somebody who's had his own personal cancer battle. So it was really interesting that, you know, we see that quite a lot, don't we? The great and good and sometimes big stars of the silver screen. And then they turn to jelly when the monarch arrives. Anyway, it seemed like a reception that was full of hope. This week, the Prince and Princess of Wales, who are known as the Duke and Duchess of Rothesay
Starting point is 00:10:10 or Lord and Lady of the Isles, went up in Scotland, stayed on the Isle of Mull and visited Mull and Iona, partly to support local tourism and champion the environment and the importance of local communities, but also to have a rather lovely time marking their 14th wedding anniversary on Tuesday. In front of the world's media and a load of locals. A bit like the King and Queen when they had their 20th anniversary in Rome. Just like that. They were out and about. So what did you make of this visit? I'm always interested when they go to Scotland because I think, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:44 the ties to Scotland, the links of the Royal Family to Scotland, the whole question around that's, you know, rumbles slowly, quietly, simmers away about Scottish independence. So that, you know, I know that the whole point of this trip was about focusing on championing the environment and the natural beauty of Mull and Iona and local skills, craftspeople, lifting up community centres and the Royal Foundation has invested in various things on the islands. But all of that said, there's always another purpose, I think, to these kind of visits, which is to sort of remind people of the Royal Family's very strong
Starting point is 00:11:22 links and ties to Scotland. Indeed. Because we know that that's an issue. I remember a few years ago going out to Scotland with William when he did his Lord High Commissioner's week in Edinburgh and that speech he gave with Nicola Sturgeon there, who was a staunch champion of independence, basically reminding people about the links. I've been in Scotland for some of my saddest times, the death of his mother, my happiest times, and seeing the couple look so happy there. And they met there of course at St Andrews University. It's a reminder, I think always of, and it's a subtle but pointed reminder of the royal family's
Starting point is 00:11:58 links and ties to Scotland as part of the United Kingdom. Indeed, and William's ties in particular as as well and their ties as a couple because they mentioned the fact that they had been to the Isle of Mull before in what they thought had been a secret getaway with friends when they were students up there at St Andrews and the locals said, oh no, we knew you were here. There was somebody bouncing on a trampoline trying to get a view of them and things like that. What I loved about that and what I thought was really special about that was another local said, oh, you know, I took a load of photos and sent them to my friends.
Starting point is 00:12:26 That never made the press. So this is the thing in Scotland where they love to be there. So the locals, you know, on Mull were really respectful of that visit 20 or so years ago. And I think that's also the fact that they are able to have a private life when they want to have a private life. And people are respectful of them as a couple. And the late Queen had that as well didn't she? She used to love going up to Balmora and she would go into the local shops and talk to tourists who didn't know, sometimes didn't even know who she was. And the King walked through Braemar actually and had a chat to people about
Starting point is 00:13:00 you know the local buildings or what's being done in that field over there and we never hear about that. People don't blab in Scotland. They are able to go and have people about, you know, the local buildings or what's being done in that field over there. And we never hear about that. People don't blab in Scotland. They are able to go and have that kind of private, that private time. So I think they are, they find that quite precious. They had a night in a self catering cottage. Happy anniversary, darling. You can do the washing up. I'll do the cooking. Talking about domestic skills, we learned that Kate was a dab hand at DIY with a chainsaw, which she was given for Christmas. Happy Christmas, darling, here's a chainsaw.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Well, she said that she'd received a chainsaw for Christmas. And this all came about when they were visiting Arrows Hall, one of two community centers, which were in receipt of money from the Royal Foundation. This is the charitable arm and philanthropic arm of Kate and William's work. So they've given some money to two community centres to do them up and make them a real hub for the local community. And there she was helping out with a nail gun. Terrifying prospect. And looked rather handy. And yeah, and then this revelation came out that she's got a chainsaw for Christmas
Starting point is 00:14:07 and she likes to keep bees and she's very, very handy. There was a lovely admission from her as well because part of their refurbishment and money towards Harris Hall is to do with the whole idea of community centres, new parents being able to bring children along to play centres and they talked about how the fact that their kids love soft play. But she also mentioned that when she was a young mother, for the, you know, for the lack of particularly with Prince George first time around, when she didn't really have anyone to hang out with, you know, bearing in mind they're in Anglesey and quite a remote spot,
Starting point is 00:14:38 she would go to the local Waitrose Cafe with George as a baby, just to have interaction with other people. Can you imagine what the other parents pitching up at the Waitrose Cafe thought when the then Duchess of Cambridge tipped up with the future King as a little baby? I think it's so sad really, isn't it? And I think they wanted to go to, they enjoyed their time in Anglesey in North Wales because they were, it was remote. They could be private, but then there wasn't that kind of community, sense of community around it either. And the fact that she was just going to, you know, and I think any young mum can sympathise with that,
Starting point is 00:15:09 you've just got to get out of the house. Yeah. But I think there's all this, now it's driving her work, isn't it? In terms of the early years and the important interaction with babies and children with other children. Absolutely. And this is all kind of fed into, you know, if it's tough for me, with everything I've got, all the privilege I've got, it must be really tough for some other people. So it's that personal experience driving there. They did seem, I mean a lot of the coverage and a lot of the people who are up there with them, they did seem to be very happy in a very good place.
Starting point is 00:15:38 They did, they released this amazing image in them of them having a little cuddle in front of a lake there on a very picturesque part and they, yeah, they seem very jolly and it's nice to see she looked very healthy after the year that she's had and it was the first time since her cancer diagnosis that she had had an overnight stay with work and obviously feeling well enough that she can do that as this gradual return to public duties continues. I think it's interesting as well, I wrote a very long piece for the magazine recently about William, his role, how it's different from what's gone before, and what sort of a king he will be when the time comes. Now no one's suggesting that's going to be
Starting point is 00:16:18 particularly anytime soon, but of course the palace are always preparing. I mean, I remember years ago, and I'm sure the same for you, being briefed by the then Prince Charles team about what sort of king he would be when the time came and that transition prep was going on a long time before anyone was suggesting there was any ill health with the late queen. But we were told he was going to be a convener king, he was going to do things differently. And when I started talking and kind of sort of pushing around about what sort of King William might be, it was quite interesting that people weren't actually squeamish to talk about it. And there is a lot of thought and prep going along behind the scenes, obviously, because the palace always prepares for these things. And I thought it's really interesting
Starting point is 00:17:04 that we are just seeing something quite different from what's gone before, you know, the proliferation of video messages, for example. I mean, we've seen a lot of those. We have, more and more. And it's interesting though, almost in a way it feels like Buckingham Palace, Charles's team, have started doing a little bit more of those too, perhaps followed by, perhaps kind of closely following how well the Wales' video messages do. Yes. Do you think?
Starting point is 00:17:31 I think so. I think everyone's kind of learnt, well, in the same way that any generation learns from their youngsters coming up. For them, I suppose for William, he always talks about how staying relevant is the hardest, biggest challenge for him into the next reign. And how do you keep it relevant? How do you keep the ancient institution into the future? That's right. And I think for him as well, there's this, you know, someone said to me, there's kind of three parts to what he wants, as normal a life as possible, as private a life as possible, and have control. And we see that with William quite a lot, don't we?
Starting point is 00:18:03 He wants control over his image. And Kate's right there with him on that. They are in lockstep when it comes to controlling their image. You know, there were elements that take place away from the royal rota and reporters that are more managed and they put out a video to do and I think it's controlling that and saying, you know, we have this private life, we want to protect our children and I think any member of the public would yeah we'll support yeah but there were funny elements that that happened on the trip as well it reminded me of the time that William went on an engagement and the football star Gaza popped up at a press amongst and this time the Gaza moment if we can call it that was Ruby Wax! Ruby Wax!
Starting point is 00:18:46 Who came out with some absolutely corkers saying she was on a silent retreat and they'd interrupted it. And she yeah and then she and then she started talking and was telling how handsome the Prince of Wales was. She said I didn't realize how good looking he was he looks like his mother is what she said. It was very funny. It was very funny. So there's always... There's always a random cropping up at their engagements, isn't there? There's always a surprise moment in this job, isn't there? At least one a day. Ruby Wax on a silent retreat in Iona. Who knew?
Starting point is 00:19:18 But they did... I mean, part of it was that, you know, they want to promote these remote destinations as tourist destinations and it just looks stunning. Yeah, it was beautiful. I will be amazed if it doesn't work, if it doesn't get people booking to go there on holiday. I'm sure. Beautiful spot.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Hi, it's Morgan from Off the Shelf and I'm here to tell you how my Google Pixel 9 helps me read more. Google actually gifted me this phone and now I use it nonstop. The other day I was trying to remember the name of this book someone recommended and instead of spiraling into a 40 minute social media scroll I just asked Gemini on my Pixel. What's that romantic book with a competition and a ghost helping her through the trials? The book you're likely thinking of is Phantasma by Kaylee Smith. Here's a breakdown of why it fits your description. It's like having
Starting point is 00:20:03 that one friend who always knows what you're talking about. Learn more about the Google Pixel 9 at store.google.com. Well, from a future king with a clear sense of duty to a more divisive royal figure, let's say, whose position couldn't be more different. Yes, well, we've just been talking about the monarchy's future in the hands of Prince William. Well, Prince Andrew's very much the story the palace would much rather leave in the past, but just can't seem to. It can't, it keeps coming back and the news agenda this week has been rather sobering.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Last week, Virginia Dufray, the woman whose allegations against Prince Andrew brought global attention to his ties with Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide in Australia. Prince Andrew has consistently denied all the allegations against him. But let's remember this was a woman who brought a civil case against him accusing him of sexual assault. And he settled out of court for an undisclosed fee widely reported to be around the 10 million mark, whether that's dollars or pounds, take your pick. The figure was never disclosed. They hoped that that would be an end to the matter, but of course it never was.
Starting point is 00:21:13 And he of course never admitted any liability for anything in that settlement. It's never quite gone away, has it? The stain of that whole episode, the stain of Prince Andrew's friendships with Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted pedophile who took his own life in prison, his friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted pedophile who is currently in prison, and whatever his relationship was or wasn't with Virginia Dufray. But of those four people, two of them are now dead. And it's the thing that keeps coming back. I remember a couple of years ago, it was actually three years ago, ahead of Reign Change, the Prince of Wales, then Prince Charles, made it very clear every time Andrew kept trying to sort of re-emerge and come back to public life
Starting point is 00:22:00 or try that out, he made it very clear by briefing someone who briefed the Times at the time to say, the problem here is that although the king loves his brother very much, the reputational damage to the institution just keeps recurring. And he described it as the spectre of this problem is unsolvable, which means there is demonstrably no way back for Andrew. And this later said this tragic event of Virginia Dufrey taking her in life just completely proves that the King read the runes there. And I suspect that this probably won't be the end of it for Andrew. I mean, has he gone far enough? People at the palace will say, what more can he possibly do?
Starting point is 00:22:39 Yeah, we saw him at Easter, didn't we? Yeah, we've talked we talked before about him trying to get Andrew out of Royal Lodge. Yeah. He's still living in what appears to be the lap of luxury. Previously, at the largesse of his brother, that money has now been withdrawn. But, you know, he's, he's still there. It's, it's not a good look. He appeared Easter with the family. Obviously, this is something that that William is very savvy about. And you spoke about it on the podcast last week. William swerved at the Windsor. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:23:07 And I think it's, but it's the problem that's never going to go away. Even though, like you say, he didn't make any claims or responsibility about settlement out of court, he nevertheless paid millions of pounds to a woman he claims he can't remember meeting. And now, you know, she has tragically taken her own life. Really, you know, the reality is that it will be her version of events that stands, because they won't be challenged. Mm-hmm. That's difficult for the royal family because it's just always going to be there.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Very difficult for the Duke of York because I mean again it just brings back the fact that he has made so many bad decisions in terms of who he's hung out with over the years. That reappeared last year when we heard that he'd been you know had a very close business relationship with this guy Yang Tembo who's you know that our government thinks is a Chinese spy and he claims he's not but you know the government think he is. But let's be fair, there's no benefit of the doubt that you can even give to Andrew in the Epstein situation.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to trafficking and procuring sex with girls as young as 14. He pleaded guilty to that. He went to prison for that. After he came out of prison, Andrew was still visiting him as a friend. And that wasn't a secret case. Everybody knew that that had happened to Epstein.
Starting point is 00:24:28 So it baffles me that he can still be kind of going around in public with the Royal Family. It's like a roller coaster with him, isn't it? You know, he was uninvited from Christmas at Sandringham because of the Yang Tembo, you know, deemed too embarrassing. So it was, you know, he stayed at Royal Lodge with Fergie. Then he bounced back at Easter and was at... I think that was a big mistake. St George's Chapel and now this.
Starting point is 00:24:52 Yeah. So, you know, it's at the end of the day it is never a good look for the wider Royal family when Andrew is around publicly with them. Yeah. Just when you think we've covered all the royal news for this week, there's more. This time from the US. It's no secret that the Sussexes' departure from royal duties left a few questions about their titles. But recently there's been a bit of a stir about Meghan using Her Royal Highness.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Well, Her Royal Highness isn't supposed to use Her Royal Highness. It was funny wasn't it when they when makes it happen they said you can keep Duke and Duchess of Sussex and they maintain her and His Royal Highness. But they're not allowed to use them. But they're not allowed to use them. And they agreed they wouldn't do anything that would bring the kind of royal brand into disrepute by any commercial. Uphold the values of her majesty.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Exactly. And there was no, at the time, that the Sandringham Summit was sort of struck, a lot of negotiations backwards and forwards about what that deal would look like when they left. But when we got that statement at the end of the Saturday and Saturday, I remember it coming in on a Saturday night going, ah.
Starting point is 00:26:15 There was no fine print around the use of HRH for commercial or non-commercial purposes. It was very simple. They will no longer use their HRHs. It was very clear. Pretty clear. So it's been a bit of a surprise to a lot of people and this emerged when Megan did a podcast this week, not her own podcast, but a podcast with her friend Jamie Kern-Lima, who owns a cosmetics company. And there was a YouTube video of it and a shot of a basket from a while ago that Megan had dropped around to her friend including some raspberry, not jam or spread, but it was like sauce or strawberry sauce that she'd made for her. She had some spread in the fridge though, didn't she, her friend said.
Starting point is 00:26:53 She said it'd been there for all year, so I don't know why she needed it. But it came with a note card that said with the compliments of HRH, the Duchess of Sussex. Now, it's kicked off a bit of a stink hasn't it? Well it has because and quite rightly so really because they're not supposed to be using that. That's not really the deal. And then the next day when all the stink had been kicked up there were sources close to Megan briefing various media outlets that actually, I mean this I found was fascinating, she uses the HRH to try and, in order to stay, to feel relevant and uses it for her.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Sometimes I think when you're in a hole, best just to stop digging. There was an attempt to try and say, she's allowed to use it for personal use, but that wasn't the deal, was it? I think there would have been better just to let that story slide and perhaps thought, you know, that's one for the future,
Starting point is 00:27:42 we'll just take that off the letterhead. Because that isn't, you know, that isn't how they're supposed to do it. And I do think these things will kind of change, they'll decide what they want to do. And that's the trouble with it, that if it's not, if they're not pulled up for it, and there's no appetite from the king to start sending them messages or anything like that, because it will just add fuel to the fire. But I think they'll just do what they want to do over time. And it was interesting this week because there was a tiny little snippet wasn't there on one of the podcasts of Lilibet talking and video of her cooking with Megan and Megan said, and it was very sweet I have to say, what do you think Lilibet? Lillebend, she said, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:28:25 I think it's beautiful in her very strong American accent, as you know, there are little Americans. And there was a lot of speculation that perhaps that might have been difficult for the king to see, because he's of course, he's not seen his grandchildren in America for nearly three years. Yeah, I fancy seeing it on something dropping on an American podcast. But we are seeing we are seeing more and more of the children, aren't we? The backs of their heads and I mean, you know, maybe we'll be having this conversation in 20 years time
Starting point is 00:28:50 when when Lilybeth or Archie have given their first interview and it'll be an American born in her case, born and bred princess talking about her experience of, you know, being a royal not far from, you know, the top of the tree in terms of the order of accession. Yeah, I mean it's fascinating. There's a prince and princess growing up in a very sort of American way of life and watch this space. Theroya, if you would enjoy a royal title, what would you choose? I think Queen.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Queen. Top pecking order. Queen Roya. Yeah sure, why not? That works for me. What about you? Duchess, I think Queen. Queen. Top pecking order. Queen Roya. Yeah sure why not. Works for me. What about you? Duchess I think. I like Majesty. I like a Duchess. Yeah. Duchess HRH, Duchess Kate. Okay I'll see what I can do. Oh I tell you what we've got to look out for next week. Yeah. Coming up, it's a big day on Monday. Oh yes. All the Royal Family. All the Royal celebrations. There's to be a big balcony moment. It's going to be huge, isn't it? Yes, very exciting.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Lots of marching, lots of Royal Family celebrating. Second World War veterans. It's going to be a big moment for the year, the 80th anniversary of VE Day celebrations and the day the late Queen and her sister snuck out of the palace gates into the crowd. Lots of memories. Anyway, that will be one to watch next week. Until then, see you then. Bye. Hi it's Morgan from Off the Shelf and I'm here to tell you how my Google Pixel 9 helps me read more. Google actually gifted me this phone and now I use it non-stop. The other day I was trying to
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