The Royals with Roya and Kate - Trump’s visit fast tracked? And William’s reign reimagined

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

Roya and Kate take you inside King Charles's preparations to host President Trump for an unprecedented second state visit, one that seems to have been fast-tracked by the British Prime Minister, and might be raising eyebrows at the palace. How much say does the King have over who he meets and when, and what does Donald Trump’s return means for Windsor, Westminster, and Washington?And a special look at how Prince William, the heir to the throne is reimagining royalty for when he is King. Roya has been delving into how his reign could look radically different. And together Roya and Kate explore how his time as king could mark a major shift for the monarchy with a stripped-back, medieval-inspired coronation to a complete overhaul of how the palace is run. What does it really mean to “look under the hood” of the royal household? And how far is William likely to move away from long-standing ceremonial traditions as he balances modernisation with royal heritage? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Royals with Roya and Kate. That's me, Kate Mancy, Royal Editor of the Times, and me, Roya Nikar, Royal Editor of the Sunday Times. Today, the King welcomes the President in September. Charles meets Donald, it's official. But who is deciding what when it comes to protocol and pomp? And a deep dive on what the reign of Prince William might look like when he becomes king,

from what he'll change about the monarchy to a very different style of coronation with maybe a bit less pomp and perhaps some influence from medieval times. No pomp at all? Well, maybe just a little bit. Now turning to the King, the President and the Prime Minister. It seems that the British Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has decided to bring forward Donald Trump's state visit to September.

This is the unprecedented state visit for the second time for Donald Trump. Interesting piece in the Times this week that you did, which implied a little bit of argy bargy and a little bit of, had an interesting headline suggesting Keir Starmer had gone against the wishes of the King. Yes. In the choreography. We understand that the King, we all saw, didn't we, that letter that he presented in the Oval Office, which suggested it might be helpful for Donald Trump to come and visit him privately

first to thrash out the finer details of the full state visit, which is of course unprecedented. Which would happen later. So the idea perhaps that he would come in September, meet him at Balmoral, there would be discussion and the state visit would be subsequent to that. Now, amid the trade war that's been going on with Donald Trump and tariffs with other countries,

Sikir Stam has been very, very keen to bring that forward as quickly as possible to roll out the red carpet for Donald Trump while all these negotiations about trade are continuing behind the scenes. Now we understand that that hasn't been the ideal suggestion from the palace, that the palace are in a difficult spot because obviously the king always acts on the advice of his government's plural. And meanwhile, there's a big trade war going on with Canada and the US with Donald Trump continually saying that it should be the 51st state, the country north of the border of which the king of course is king of that country as well.

So this is all going on behind the scenes. Has the king been overruled? Well, the palace is saying he can't be overruled because it's always he's always overruled. It's always on the advice of the government. But ultimately, it's not ideal. This has been going on for months now. And last week, we understand the manu regia. What's the manu regia?

I'm glad you asked that, Roya. People who don't know what the manu regia is. What's the manu regia? Come fromu Regia. I'm glad you asked that, Roya. For people who don't know what the Manu Regia is, what's the Manu Regia? Come from the Latin, as you all remember, you're Latin from school, the hand of the king, essentially on royal command. And this is the official document that kickstarts that state visit. You might remember that- You reckon Donald's framed it? Yeah, it is.

It was described to me as a keepsake and it's handed over by officials, UK officials in the UK embassy in Washington. And I believe they dress up very nightly. It's the greatest Manu Regi there's ever been. It'll be the most beautiful one that's ever been. It's a gold crest on it. It's signed by the hand of the King and then hand delivered to the White House. And this is essentially, this means that the pomp and pageantry of that visit in September has already started because this is the kind of the starting gun. It's not just a paperless post-saver date, is it? It's not a kind of any email, you know, RSVP. It's the full thing.

It's the full thing. It's a bit more formal. And it means it's all, you know, essentially it kickstarts the whole thing. What do we think is really going on here? I mean, you know, the idea is that, idea is that the king wanted to maybe see if he could kind of push the state visit into the long grass. I think that was never going to happen. I think Donald is always going to come.

Yeah, not long grass, I think, which suggests that the never never. Yeah. But we're always told they get on well. They've known each other for a long time. Of course, they don't see eye to eye on green issues. We know that's obvious. Yeah. And they won't see eye to eye on green issues. We know that's obvious. Yeah. And they won't see eye to eye on Canada either. But, you know, they do have a good working relationship.

Well, it really, I mean, at the end of the day, the whole issue of Donald Trump coming here and any sort of, you know, push and pull behind the scenes really comes down to how much say the King members of the royal family have ever, who they invite and how they invite them, which at the end of the day is very little because state visits, incoming and outgoing are all about who the government wants to butter up, who we feel we owe. We've got a state visit in a few weeks time with France incoming. We owe the French because they've been great European hires, but also the King and Queen went to France a couple of years ago for state visits. So we, you know, Macron is due one.

And it's also effectively about- It's been a long time since the French have had one as well. Trade and bilateral relations. And we have got this trade deal with the US. It's been absolutely trumpeted that we are the first big nation to get a trade deal under the new tenure there. Really, it's about sucking up to Donald Trump, isn't it? It's got to be about relations.

It's got to be about maintaining that kind of what we've always hoped for. Special relationship. Special relationship. You know, having said that, they've hosted very difficult guests in the past. You know, we'll remember that when the Chinese, when Xi Jinping came over, the Queen let slip afterwards, that some of the Chinese officials have been very rude. She was overheard at a garden party saying that. So it hasn't always been kind of easy. You know, we've talked about it before about that first Trump visit and the scorch marks

from his helicopter on the lawns of Buckingham Palace. This time he's going to have a different venue, of course, because Buckingham Palace is the big resurfacing work that's still carrying on there. And really chopper in and out of the castle. Chopper in and out of the castle. I'm sure he will. But I think you're right, it's how much power does the king have, how much power does the palace have? And it was made quite clear to government that this puts the king in a very difficult spot. I think there are of course small things that the king can shape in terms of the tone of

the visit, how he receives Donald Trump, the formalities of the castle, where they dine at the castle, what that state banquet looks like. There are of course things that Charles can put his stamp on and of course his speech, the state banquet speech, where he will make a speech, Donald Trump will reply and you know, the King will, yes, it'll be written by the government, but the King will put a lot of his own input into that speech, there's no doubt about it. And we'll be able to see from that, I think, how many personal flourishes he wants to include and how far he's prepared to go on a personal level.

Make him feel welcome. Interestingly, that letter that was handed over in the Oval Office, now that was very unhelpful to the palace that it was opened in public and waved in front of the cameras. It's also interesting- The one about asking for a private visit first. Yes, and come first. Come first for a private visit.

There would have been a handshake photograph as part of that private visit. Now, my understanding is that Donald Trump didn't want that first initial handshake, quite informal at Balmoral in their civvies, to overshadow the all bells and whistles, as it's been described to me, the fest as it was described by Donald Trump,

later event, you know, the full state visit. So that was playing on his mind too. So this is something that Donald Trump has pushed for as well. Keir Starmer has offered it and the King has had to go along with it. I think it'll be fine in the end. And obviously he signed that document that means that it's happening.

It's coming. It's gonna make for a that means that it's happening. It's coming. It's going to make for a lot of fun coverage in September. It's not that far away. Lots to write about. Watch this space. And President Trump is everywhere this week, dropping F bombs and everything like that. But also on another kind of royal matter as well.

Earlier this week, the Prince of Wales was attending London Climate Week. Yes. He was there to say that saving the planet is a team game. But at Bloomberg headquarters, somebody else was the subject of conversation. Someone was. Yes. Well, it was a it was an event that was all about his art shop prize, which is going to be in Brazil later this year. Looking forward to that trip. It's going to be a

good bit of travel. We had Michael Bloomberg there, didn't we? And of course, he's the co-founder of Bloomberg, three-term former mayor of New York. And he said, while William was still there and part of this session, that Donald Trump has not made things better, quote, and that America are not doing their fair share in the environmental

space since Donald Trump came to power again. He said that America had not been pulling its weight lately. And then the mayor of Rio de Janeiro seemed to double down on that. Edward Pice, he said that, you know, I'm not here to talk about politics. But having said that, Donald Trump is very lucky that he's had very good local city mayors. Otherwise, the US would be in a lot of trouble right now, he said. And her name double of Trump and there's William there in the front row. Keeping very quiet.

Keeping extremely quiet. It's a tricky one for him, isn't it? And then standing up and saying, look, it's a team game, trying to bring it all together. It is very difficult. It's tricky because that's... He's about to go to Rio. He's going to have this relationship with the mayor of Rio. He's definitely going to be meeting Donald Trump again, when he comes for the state visit

in September. We know that the Donald is extremely fond of William. He's a very handsome man according to Donald Trump. He made sure at Donald's request he was the first like UK representative he met after he was reelected at the Notre Dame Cathedral ceremony. We saw that handshake there. Then we saw the meeting at the UK and Macedon's residence in France. We had Donald literally going, he's a really good looking guy.

He's doing a fantastic job. I mean, he couldn't have shouted more praise in that 45 minute meeting. And someone said to me last week, someone who knows William very well, joked to me and said, William only has to smile at Donald Trump when we get a cut in tariffs. I mean, it was half joking, but half not. That's a very important relationship. Yeah. Yeah. And he knows that to roll out the red carpet from the Royals is the thing that no other country can offer. So whatever William thinks about Donald Trump privately, we know William is as keen an environmental campaigner as his father is. And we know that Donald Trump is a climate skeptic. But whatever

he thinks about him personally, he's going to play that role. And as someone said to me last week, you know, he's almost encouraging it, he's playing along with it, he's letting Donald Trump, you know, have these conversations with him and almost fawn over him. Someone said, who does that remind you of? Reminds you of the late queen who had a nose for the strategic. You knew how to be and behave around global leaders, regardless of what anyone thought of them. It's interesting.

It is interesting. Well, Charles too has played a pretty good role in this. I have to say, absolutely. Now there is a huge anxiety at the palace that this visit goes well, That it can't be seen. There can't be seen to be any criticism about Donald Trump from the King. There won't be. Or, you know, they say, well, there's no discord.

There's no there's no discord. Lots of warm words about the about the visit. Very much looking forward to hosting Donald Trump and the First Lady in September. So there's no doubt it's that Donald is going to get as much pomp and patentry as he wants. Speaking of which, pomp and patentry stay with us here as we take a look back to medieval times. Why might they inspire Prince William's reign? Could being king return to something a little bit simpler

with a bit less pomp and a bit more jousting? Jousting. Sorry. Who have you spotted? Palace. But before that, Kate, it's been a very celebby week at the Palace, hasn't it? We can't move for A-listers at the Palace this week. You cannot move for Clooney's and Tracey Abins and Dames, Joanna Lumley. They've been all over the place.

Beverly Hills has moved to Georgina Marl Clooney. Mm. A-list, A-list, A-list. A-list, A-list, yeah. So they do a lot with the King's Trust, don't they? They do. That's going to turn 50 next year. So there was a big kind of hurrah for the King's Trust International at the Palace. Who else have we seen? Joanna Lumley, Joseph Fiennes. Tracey Amon. She was at a lovely reception, which was celebrating the 20th anniversary of the Royal Drawing

School in her Crocs. There must be something about artists in Crocs, because David Hockney, when he met the King, came in as Yellow Crocs. And there was Tracey Amon at the Palace in her Crocs. Artists Crocs busking. Yeah. And Tracey, yeah, they seem to have a good chat. And Tracey Amon obviously has had her own cancer battle as well, which she's talked

about. And I think that's bonded them even more and the love of art. And we just heard before we came on that Kate Winslet is now officially an ambassador for the King's Foundation. Joining Sir David Beckham. Joining Sir David Beckham.

She was there, of course, with Meryl Streep. She was. And at a titchmarsh. It was just the other day, wasn't it? Just the other day. Star-studded, very celebby, all lining up to help the king, I wonder why. I wonder why, because it's a good cause.

Tracy Eamon has called him utterly exceptional and said he's the best monarch in recorded history. Joseph Fiennes. Here you go for supporting creativity. Joseph Fiennes dubbed Charles the patron saint of second chances, praising his commitment to young people and all the second chances he's given

to disadvantage young people that the trust has helped. And Charlotte Tilbury, the makeup guru, called the King a global visionary for his work when it comes to climate change. Lots of famous people. It's very lovey. It's very lovey. There's air kisses everywhere.

I'm sure. And just before we go to a break, another update on a story that we've both been following for some time. And I think we called it and said this was the best one. We did. Lord Foster has been named as the person who's going to go ahead and design the lasting national memorial to the Lake Queen.

Now there were five shortlisted design teams and Lord Foster's from Foster and Partners has won it and his is going to head. There's a translucent bridge that's going to be across the pond at St. James's Park. There are going to be figurative representations of the late Queen. We would call them statues, but the government doesn't do that. There's a statue of the Queen with Prince Philip. And there's another statue of the Queen on horseback looking out the mouth. It's the best.

And that is the best. Now that would oversee any ceremonial procession that goes down the mouth. So she's going to have a kind of the best view. Well it would sort of remind us as well of her on horseback for all those years. Up the mouth, tripping the colour. Absolutely. Because she was such an amazing equestrian. Do you know what it reminded me of?

That when we saw the first designs, I think I mentioned this to you in Canada, when we were on a very hilarious bus trip, you and I, there's an incredible statue in Ottawa of the Queen on horseback, very near the Parliament building. And it was, and I'm not saying Lord Foster has nicked the idea, but it's very similar to his design. And it's not that different. It's a fantastic design. And I just felt, you know, Lord Foster's design

of that statue of her on horseback, it just feels very majestic. Well, the national committee who are responsible for this, so there's going to be a pot of money, up to 46 million excluding that, coming from the government. They're also saying that a sculptor will be selected later in the year.

And it may not be that that sculpture, that statue ends up with her being on horseback. But I think everything we've heard from the foster this week. I think it will. I think it will. Anyway, we're delighted with that choice. And we'll see the final design unveiled next year. And that's the design, that's the paper drawings.

And then the actual thing will then start to come into fruition, be built after that. So little way off, all good. I'm looking forward to that statue. Yeah. So Roya, one of the ways we refer to the Prince of Wales, he's writing those pieces, there's so many words, you go in as Prince of Wales, you might drop down to Prince William, and

you might have to find other ways to describe him, And it's always heir to the throne, future king. What? One point Willie. One point Willie. That's Mike Tindall's fault. Anyway, that's another podcast. Because one day, of course, he will be king. And without a doubt, it's a role that's going to be

the biggest role of his life and one for which he'll spend all his life up until that point training. We've learned a bit more about what he will do when he becomes king. Tell us about the piece that you wrote. Well, he's been thinking rather a lot over the past year. So I wrote a big piece last weekend,

close to 4,000 words to mark what shouldn't take that long. It was 3,800 words. Started off thinking, oh, I'll just do two and a half. And then it just kept going. Rang the editor and said, Ben, it's close to 4000 words than two. And he was like, fine. And anyway, I sort of found out that he, Williams been doing a lot of thinking and 43 shouldn't normally be a master.

Of course, he turned 43 last Saturday. There's lovely pictures of him with his dog and the puppies. But actually, you know, when you think about the last year, he's been battling, navigating his father's cancer diagnosis, his wife's cancer diagnosis. He's described it as the hardest year of my life. He's described it as brutal. But it's really been the most formative year of his life in terms of thinking about his future. And as someone very close to him said to me, you know, when all of that is going on, there is an inner sense of reappraisal about what's close to him said to me, when all of that is going on, there is an innocence of reappraisal about what's important to him.

He's been giving it a lot of thought and it feels like quite a lot's gonna change. How quickly he's gonna change things in a quite hands-on way at the palace for starters, just in terms of the running of the operation. So a friend of his said to me, he's definitely been thinking a lot about how things will evolve over time. When the moment comes, he'll want to do it his

way genuinely, not just following a script. He's not afraid to dig into the details, ask the tough questions and figure out what actually works today. He wants to make sure the whole thing has even more, here it comes, impact and remains relevant. His priority will be to look under the hood and see if the engine is running in a way that delivers impact and his value for money. Presumably he has a little insight into that. That's interesting to think how much he is shared with him at this stage, which it should be quite a lot, but it sounds like perhaps that's not always been the case. I wrote a piece in April and I was really surprised how open people were to talk about what sort

of King William would be because... There's usually been such nervousness, hasn't there? Yeah, there is. There is normally quite a lot of nervousness. Having said that, you know, when Charles was Prince of Wales, we were briefed about what sort of King he would want to be. What struck me as an interesting change was this idea and we mentioned at the top of the program about perhaps going back to a medieval coronation, stripping it down. And this is interesting, isn't it, that when someone in the royal family wants to do something new, they try and borrow from the past in as much a way that they can

say, oh, this is, you know, I'm sticking with tradition. So it'd be a way of him putting his own slant on the coronation by stripping it down and making it simpler. He definitely did. But actually going, ah ha, it's been done before. I thought for me, one of the most interesting things was how much he's very keen to restructure the palace machine quickly. And that came out very clearly from conversations I had. And obviously, he knows, you know, he's got an eye on the figures. We do too, but he, you know, he's got, certainly will next week.

He's certainly got an eye on the structure of it. And I think he feels it's changed, you know, the actual running and makeup of the, of the Royal household at Buckingham Palace has changed so little since Victorian times. And what, what was said to me was he will, I think quite quickly be very hands-on in looking at that, restructuring it, making it a much leaner machine, checking that it's sort of working. And I think there'll be a very significant changing of the guard at the household when that happens. Yeah. I mean, having said that, the King did a lot of that when he came in. There was a

massive cull of staff. There were lots of people who were paid, you know, not very great wages, to be honest, and a lot of people on the payroll. And Charles cut that down and made sure that the people who did stay had an uplift and that they were there really doing work. Not just sort of lots and lots of historic kind of flunky roles, essentially. He did trim it down.

So it'd be interesting to see how William takes that one step further than his father. Less about people and more about the way... Just robots. Just put robots in. The way it actually all works. What was interesting to me as well was how, again, we talk about the fact that previously, you know, there's always been a real sensitivity about not treading on the top jobs' toes. And it was the same with Charles when he was Prince of Wales.

No one ever really talked about the future. It was all like, oh, very harsh, harsh. But what's interesting now is I think there are things that William kind of looks at and thinks that's working very well. You know, the other day we heard him talking about things at the duchy that he wants to change, but he's make sure he says, there are things that my father's done that I think are really good and I want to continue. It's interesting. There's not much of that. We don't know. We don't hear much of that from William, to be fair.

We don't. There is an interesting look at, okay, well, we talked about before, who isn't being used? You know, Sophie and Edward. And again, that is constantly emphasised now that William has got big plans for them that they will do a lot more. And I ask the question, well, we've seen Zara and Mike, we've seen Peter, Phillips, we've seen Beatrice and Eugenie support him at these garden parties the last couple of years. And yeah, he's not going to put them on the payroll, but he probably will have them doing a lot more with him when he's king, which again will look very different because we've got the Duke of Kent, who's very elderly.

I think 89. We've got the Gloucesters who are 80 and 79. Princess Anne will be 75 soon. William knows that that Buckingham Palace balcony is going to look very different very soon. And I think it'll be more like an Ascot scenario that you have this, you know, the wider family who aren't on the payroll, that come out and are seen with the family and you see that Ascot

and you see that at other events at the moment we just have on that balcony working members of the Royal Family, full time working members. Well, in a few years time, that's going to look quite thin. And you wonder whether these other members of family will be brought in certainly for we've seen it at garden parties and things like that. Well, Ascot's an interesting point, because Royal Ascot, of course, we saw William there one day last week,

Kate in the end pulled out very last minute. But we saw the king and queen there every single day. We will not see William at Royal Ascot every single day when he's king. And I'd be happy to see him at the Aston Villa football ground in his trainers. I think you can certainly expect to see Zara, who's a very keen question. She's been a director at

Cheltenham races, you know, for a while and it to her, I think she will be much more hands on in the running role ask it and I think she and possibly her mother and we much more hands on in the running of the role start at Sanjevon. These are these are things that will change quite significantly because someone said to me, the top hat and tails thing has never been Williams thing at Royal Ascot. He's never felt comfortable doing it and he has said so. He's even looked uncomfortable when he turned up to knee and things before without his wife,

he's sort of fiddling with his jacket. Those are big things I think he'll delegate, which is interesting. And the looking under the hood will be something that we will get to have a little go at next week because it's the royal correspondence favorite day of the year. It's the money day. So there's been a lot of debate about the sovereign grant and how the royal household is funded, how that money is spent. And on Monday, we will go to the palace for a briefing to find out just the answers to that.

Yeah, we get the headline figures, don't we? And also Williams Duchy of Cornwall and whatever they're prepared to share in a subsequent briefing. So that will be really interesting to come back and talk about that. Yeah, because money was again another thing that was that I kept picking up on when I was researching this piece and the phrase that was being used with Williams very mindful of how much the monarchy costs. And I thought to myself, well, is he looking to get that sovereign gantt headline figure down? And if so, you know, how do you do that? Well,

travel could be an interesting thing. We know that William doesn't favor these long overseas tours that cost an awful lot of money. We've already been told he's going to change. He's already changing that he's already going for like one or two days here or there. We've been talking a lot about the future and looking into the crystal ball of King William the fifth as to what he might change in the future. But if you look closely, and actually, I hadn't clocked this until someone mentioned it to

me, the things he's doing now that are changing which give you an insight into how things that are starting to look different already. And quite recently someone said to me, very close to the Royal Family, said, if you notice, you'll notice that you don't really see Lord Lieutenant on many of William's jobs. Now Lord Lieutenant for our listeners might not know what they do, but they're normally people who represent, who do lots of great work in each county, who welcome senior members of the Royal Family to each event. And William sort of has decided he doesn't feel he needs that extra layer of formality.

And so you don't see them very often. You see them occasionally in the home sort of nations. You see them in Northern Ireland, in Wales, and Scotland. And someone said to me, you know, it really pisses off some of the Lord Lieutenants that William doesn't feel he needs them in every engagement, but that just is the way it is. And when I spoke to someone close to William, they were like, well, he really values their work, but yeah, he doesn't think he needs them there

at everything. It's too formal. I think, I think things will change, you know, and I've said it before. I think that everybody was so worried about the late queen passing because it's all so many people had ever known nor people could remember. But the big change will be the next reign. And while, you know, that's not to say that we have any other briefings or anything like that about Charles's condition, you know, that the guidance remains the same, that he's getting on with work and continues his cancer treatment. As always, you know, the palace prepares for the next reign, the transition, as they call it. And Williams already seems to be planning, you know, it's interesting we're talking about politics

at the start of the program, that Williams been having private meetings with Angela Rayner, the deputy prime minister and minister responsible for housing. And shortly after a recent meeting they had at Windsor Castle, she announced a new scheme to stop rough sleeping being illegal. And that's obviously been one of William's big projects, the Homewoods project to tackle homelessness. So he's already making those connections. We've talked about Trump. He's already setting the ground so that should the worst happen, probably in his mind as well as the king's mind, that he actually sees the throne earlier than anyone would wish, that he's in a

position that the public acknowledged that he's at a position and at a level to handle that job. So we, one of the things that we know I think is going to look really quite different when transition happens and rain change comes is William's coronation. You and I were at the last coronation. And it was definitely thankfully shorter than Queen Elizabeth's in 1953. That was more than three hours. King managed to shave off a good hour off that. But it did, it was, it was majestic. It was all the pomp, all the pageantry, all the bells and whistles. It was also very personal to Charles, wasn't it? Even from the invitation, the foliage and the greenery. It wasn't simple.

And his own music that he had commissioned. Yes, the music was beautiful. It's very much his stamp on it. And I think it's an important marker for how he wanted his reign to be seen and how he wanted to go forward from that moment. I think that- What William does with that- Yeah, if a coronation represents what a reign is going to look like, that was it was so

Charles wasn't it? Yeah, everything. It was very personal. The message that William is quite keen to get out and actually I was astonished he was keen to get it out within a week of his father's coronation in 2023 was how different his will be. And yeah, people were saying to me he's been thinking about it like that. I'm not I'm not going to do that bit. He's been thinking about it. I wouldn't do it like that. I'm not going to do that bit. He's been thinking about it. But I mean, is that very helpful? Is it helpful to have that sort of voice from the sidelines so early on in a reign, do you think? Well, I thought it was interesting that he wanted that out there. Well, that's what I mean. He clearly saw that service and thought, okay, that's what people think of the monarchy now.

I want people to know that mine's going to look quite different. The words were more modern, more relevant. And, you know, it's not going to be a half hour, no frills down, you know, a two star hotel kind of gig, is it? It'll be at Westminster Abbey. It's still going to feel very grand. There will still be grounds despite the fact that some- He is quite traditional. He is.

Quite traditional. He is. Someone very close to him said, you know, if you look at the medieval coronations, look how simple they were, look how paired back they were. Get back to that. Get back to the core of the, you know, if you look at the medieval coronations, look how simple they were, look how paired back they were, get back to that, get back to the core of the simple stuff. And the same person said, I don't think he should wear the Imperial State crown. I think it looks like something out of Walt Disney. And I sort of mooted this to Williams camp and got an interesting response, which is that he hasn't made that decision

yet as to which crown he's going to wear, but he is mindful of tradition and he feels a very strong sentimental link to the imperial state crown. I think it'd be ridiculous if his father wore it and his grandmother wore it. If he decided not to, I think that would be a huge story. Well not just that, that goes back so far, there's a kind of history of that. And he's very mindful of that, regardless of how much he wants to modernize. Anyway, it's going to look very different. Will we be there, Kate?

Goodness. Who knows, right? Crystal ball time. But we will be here next week. There'll be a lot of numbers. Talking about the cash, where it's all been spent. And well, will William reveal how much tax he's paid? Which was the question asked.

Yeah. That was unanswered. Unanswered. The answer was he's paid tax at the rate he should have paid tax at, but they didn't give us the figure. So we shall see this time. Watch this space. Who are the high rollers?

Who are the high rollers? The king turned the temperature down on the pool even further. Ha ha ha ha. But for now, that's it for this episode. We'll be back next week. See you then, Kate. See you then.