The Royals with Roya and Kate - Wales vs Sussex: The Jam Wars Heat Up & a former aide reveals all

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

It was revealed this week, that Meghan is not the only Royal making preserves. It turns out jam is Kate's jam, too. Plus the Prince of Wales' former aide speaks up in a surprising interview and the Queen invites gladiators into Buckingham Palace. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com. This week on The Royals with me, Roya. And me, Kate. The Waleses visit Wales, where a new battle is brewing and boiling. Yes, a new dividing line between the Waleses and the Sussexes emerges. The War of the Royal Jams! Things are getting sticky.

Neither side is willing to preserve the peace. Plus, William's former aide reveals all. While the Queen meets scantily clad gladiators at Buckingham Palace. It's jam-packed. So all that and more after a fanfare. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] So Kate, Battlegrounds and Wars of the Jams, as one of our colleagues said, Jar Wars. Jar Wars, I quite like that.

Quite good. We are talking about the fact that... In case you missed it. In case you missed it. In case you missed it. Just days before Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, launches her new Netflix show and amid a rebrand of her lifestyle venture in which she's promised there will still be jam because she said, of course, jam is my jam. And Kate has revealed...

What she revealed... She also likes jam too. What a coincidence. Not only does she like jam, she's making her own jam, her own plum jam, which in Wales yesterday, she promised to send the recipe to a group of students who were at the Meadow Street Community Garden near Pontypridd in South Wales. And she was talking to a load of volunteers at a community garden, growing their own plums, and she said, well, let me send you my recipe for my plum

jam. Did she say if you sign up for my email subscription on my website? No, she was apparently doing it out of the kindness of her own heart. This plum jam will not be for sale yet. So this prompted, did it not, Kate, amongst some of our colleagues, much merriment and discussion of West Coast of America and over in Wales jam wars. Jam wars. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Kate revealed yesterday she's making her

own plum jam? Well, it's quite interesting that after this revelation, as we can call it, it did make it onto the front page of the Sun newspaper here in the UK. Yes, it did. And various other reports, it found its way in there as well, including mine. But I think the palace hilariously afterwards were kind of saying, oh, she doesn't just make plum jam, she also does plum tarts. I don't know if that made it better or worse,

because of course Megan's show is all about cookery and all sorts of things. But in a day, I would like to think it's a coincidence, but in a day in which we had a king who was packing up dates ahead of Ramadan at a Syrian charity kitchen and ladling chicken biryani into takeaway boxes and joking with some Syrian women in Carnaby Street in London. Then we had Kate and William making Welsh cakes, didn't we, in Pontypridd. Then, you know, it was very much kind of cookery and, you know, it was quite a wholesome day, wasn't it? It was a wholesome day of cookery and things like that.

But the thing with Kate, of course, is, and this, she must just be looking at this Netflix trailers if she dares to look at them. Wow. It's hard to miss them at the moment. I've been doing that for years because she's got her kitchen garden at Anne Mahal. She's got, you know, she's been making jam.

She spoke yesterday about how she likes to go foraging in Norfolk and pulling up big kind of beefy looking mushrooms and showed one to the children. They were so impressed that she found this mushroom in the forest. And all this sort of good life stuff. And then it's sort of that's exactly the sort of market that Megan's tapping into. Although, of course, Kate isn't tapping into a market. It's just what she does. You know know we've seen her with her beehives

haven't we Kate? And then we've seen little snippets from Megan doing her beekeeping. Is it interesting, just thinking out loud, that those are the things that obviously the Waleses do in their private life and that's you know their very preciously guarded private life up at Anne Mahal in Norfolk. You know, Kate often speaks about the importance of being outdoors. She does spending time outdoors with the kids. We now know she's making jam with them.

She's making plum tarts. And she just trailed a little bit of that yesterday to give a little bit more of a picture of what they're, you know, like the wholesome side of their life up in Norfolk. Then Megan, obviously we know is, this is really the whole ethos of her new Netflix show, which is coming out next week. We've seen that picture of her running across the field with Princess Lilibet. Who knows, I don't know, whether the children will appear in the series. Probably not.

But you have Kate sort of making a little brief reference to what they do at home in their private life. Then you have Megan, obviously, who's going to be welcoming us into her home or someone else's home, but as if it's as at home. It's an interesting look at the two different sides of the two rival courts, one in California, one over here, and how they run their lives. Same kind of branding in a way. Same, same, but different.

I did think, is this something that in this day and age we should be a bit surprised by? You know, Megan's spoken about how women shouldn't be in the kitchen. It's just very kind of harks back to another world for me, the kind of Women's Institute Jam in Jerusalem, that I don't see many people our age doing that now. I don't see many mums making their own jam. And I mean, it is part of this sort of Instagram phenomenon, isn't it, of kind of good living, healthy living,

wholesome living and things like that. But it just strikes me as extremely old fashioned, frankly, and not particularly, it doesn't tally with how people live today. Well, this time next week, we will be able to dissect all of this, whether it's very old fashioned, whether she's somehow made it more modern, because all eight episodes, we'll have tucked into them, we'll have devoured them, won't we Kate?

Like a Victoria sponge. Well a Victoria sponge is one of the recipes she's going to be making. Yes, but the key difference here of course course, is that she makes strawberry jam. We saw several of her pots of strawberry jam dispatched to celebrity friends last year with the old label of American Riviera Orchard, which has now, of course, been changed as ever. Scrap that. And Kate's doing plum jam. Doing plum jam. I mean, where does it end?

But the serious thing, I suppose, if it can be serious, is that Kate and William were in Wales. Why were they in Wales, Kate? For the first time together since October 2023. Yeah, their first away day. Ahead of St. David's Day, which is on Saturday. So it was nice to see them embracing that. We've spoken about the fact that they

haven't spent such a long time in Wales since they. Since they lived there in Anglesey. We they... Because they lived there in Anglesey. Yes, they lived there in Anglesey and since they adopted the new titles, Prince and Princess of Wales, when William became heir to the throne. What's the history of those titles, Kate? Can you enlighten me? It's funny you should ask me that, Roya. Do you have that information at your fingertips? It's really funny you should ask.

The producer has told us, we must tell you all, this is just off the top of my head, definitely not reading this. Since 1277, Edward I of England had planned to invade Wales and in 1301 Edward invested his son, Edward of Caernarfon, with the title of Prince of Wales to mark his final conquest of Wales. Thus, the tradition of giving the title to the English heir apparent, so long as they were the monarch's son or grandson, began. The title of Princess of Wales has been used since the 14th century, with it first being recorded by use of Eleanor

de Montford and that was the wife of... Who was Ele, a gate? Did she meet Dan? She was the wife of Llewelyn ap Gruffydd. Yes, she was. And Welsh people, please do write in and tell me that I've pronounced that wrong, because I'm sure I have. So that was a little ported history of the Prince and Princess of Wales and how that came about. Yeah, essentially the title that's held by the heir apparent.

And of course, Carnarvon was where the former Prince of Wales, now the king, had his investiture, but still no sign or no indication that William will have an investiture like that. No. On that kind of grand scale that Charles had. So one of the reasons William and Kate were in Wales was to meet with some of the people who'd been infected by the flooding there recently.

And when they're on their way on the train, they unexpectedly experienced firsthand impact of the flooding because their train was diverted, wasn't it? We got this little note from Kensington House to say, slight delay, slight change in time scale because actually the Royal Hines train has been diverted due to flooding. Ironic, given that they were going to meet the families of people who were the victims of flooding from Storm Burton, Storm Darrah last year. But also a point from the palace that they were getting the train, I think.

And we saw Kensington Palace, their own kind of digital teams, filming them getting off the train, filming them getting back on the train. We're getting the train was the big message. Not a helicopter. We're not flying around in the helicopters. And that seems to be coming across quite a lot in recent engagements that they've both done. They've been making a point of going by train or by road rather than helicopter.

Having just flown back from Mustique for their holidays. You can't get a train to Mustique. I haven't noticed that stop on the way to Cardiff. I haven't noticed that route. But you know, fair play. They've got quite a lot of praise on social media from watchers for that, for going on the train. Sticking with the Waleses.

A little bit of Wills week, we had some interesting insight into William, didn't we? From this documentary, the 60 Minutes Australia documentary that came out, well, sort of program that came out a few days ago, where his former closest aide, I think, Jason Knauf, who's an American, gave some really interesting insights. So Jason used to be communication secretary I think, Jason Knauf, who's an American, gave some really interesting insights.

So Jason used to be communication secretary to William, Kate, Harry, and Megan. And then he stayed working for William as a special advisor. Then he became chief executive of William and Kate's Royal Foundation. And now he still works very closely with William on the Earthshot prize, his environmental awards, but also he's really still a very key sounding board for big moments. And he was there in Cape Town for the Earthshot awards end of last year. Yeah, he's there for pretty much all of them. So he knows William very, very well. And he gave some quite interesting insight into William's year and how hard he's found it when he discovered

that both his father and wife within days of each other discovering they both had cancer. Yeah, he said that he'd had a phone call from William before it was made public, the cancer diagnosis, and that had been awful, and was the word that he used. Absolutely awful. It's the lowest I've ever seen him, he said. But far aside from just the things that Jason was saying in that interview was the fact that he was speaking at all in my mind, because it's so rare to hear somebody who's really very close to a senior member

of the Royal Family. On the record. On the record, on screen as well. And the fact that he was, and then people like that only ever speak if they've got the kind of the green light from the member of the royal family to go and say these things. But he was also, you know, remarkably frank. I think he spoke about some of the mistakes that he had had in the job. And there were sort of funny moments, but it showed you, first of

all, that he's right at the heart of it, that he's been speaking to William, and is still a really close confidant of the heir to the throne. Second of all, that he had been sanctioned to speak was really interesting, and what purpose that was serving, why they were speaking, why he's speaking now. People have been talking about how, you know, Meghan's got her big show coming up.

Jason is known, you is known by some people for having been the person who wrote that email at the palace, which was actually reported in the Times several years later, in which those claims about Megan's bullying behavior were first raised. That was an email that Jason sent to Simon Case, who at the time was his boss at the palace. And that all came out before Meghan and Harry did their Oprah interview. So now we have this, the timing of it's really interesting. And then of course he had to, during a court case, she, Meghan said that she'd, in a witness statement, that she hadn't authorized anyone to speak to the authors of Finding Freedom, that book.

But then, of course, in another witness statement, Jason counted that and said he had actually been authorized by Megan herself directly to assist both authors and to fill in the gaps, where, you know, if there are any gaps to be filled. And so he's not an uncontroversial figure in royal circles, because he came, you know, a lot of people didn't expect him to, you know, make an on-the-record witness statement during that case, and it absolutely turned on its head what Megan had previously said in witness statements. So it's very, it's, I agree it was very interesting to hear his insights.

And he's also a rare beast in that he worked for both of them very closely. He was very diplomatic when he was asked about that, wasn't he? He was asked, do you think Harry's role will change when William is king? Can he have a role in the royal family? And Jason gave a very diplomatic response and said, well, I can't predict the future, but you can't take away from the great work they all did together in the past. Yeah. And he said, look, I had great times with Meghan and Harry and they had a magical wedding. But I did think there was something he said, which was a kind of a positive about Kate and William, which felt a bit like a criticism, perhaps unintended, of Meghan and Harry, which was that Kate and William do what they do despite not actually enjoying being in the public spotlight.

Not enjoying being celebrities and rejecting that side of it. And they do the job in spite of that. Yeah, it was interesting. And that to me just felt very much like, who do we know who's different from that? People who seem to seek the public eye, Megan, and perhaps to a lesser extent, Harry. But I thought that was really interesting.

And then just the insight that he gave about William at his leaving day when he did finally leave the palace, William gave a 15 minute kind of stand-up comedy routine almost, just sort of relaying all his kind of mistakes, I think in a very sort of affectionate way. But one of those he admitted himself, one of his mistakes during office was when Princess Charlotte was born and he had the printout piece of paper saying a princess has been born, you know, time and what she weighed. Yes. And then he lost it. Dropped it on the street outside the Lindo Wing, didn't he?

On the street outside the hospital. Couldn't find it. Sadly none of us did either. I think this is more of a criticism of us than it is a mistake of Jason's. We all had our eyes locked onto the doors of the Lindo Wing to see when the door was opening. Actually if you'd looked down you might have just seen the, you know, big scoop lying on the floor by his feet. Actually, if you'd looked down, you might have just seen the, you know, a big scoop lying on the floor by feet. Classy, he got away with it though.

He did get away with it, yeah. I think his heart was thumping, he said the whole whole way. These things are just so rare. And I think, you know, on the one hand, you might think it's sort of anodyne staff saying, oh, Meghan and Harry, yeah, we had a great time. But just even of itself, that he's speaking is a kind of a big moment, I would say, wouldn't you? Yes.

And he's really well respected, you know, in the palace and beyond, I think. Yes, interesting that I think that William still keeps people who no longer officially work for him very close. There's a few figures like that that he still keeps close, two or three key people that he still talks to regularly and gets advice from and takes advice from. that he still keeps close to all three key people that he still talks to regularly and

gets advice from and takes advice from. And that to me shows good judgment from William, the fact that he does that. What else has William been up to this week, Kate? What has William been up to? He's been to football, meeting with the new England manager, Thomas Tuchel at Windsor. It's a nice photo. It wasn't the first time they've met apparently, but it was kind of a big public kind of meeting greet wasn't it? And it was quite a long meeting.

Well. Best part of an hour. Probably five minutes talking about England's campaign and future and the rest of it, as we were guided strongly by a role source close to William, William inevitably bringing up the success of Aston Villa's European campaign. Yes, his favorite team. Never knowingly not bringing up Aston Villa. Yeah, exactly.

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Every week I'm coming at you with a different reason to be angry, whether it's current events or arguing with my comedian friends that also pop into the show. The Pantelis Podcast drops new episodes weekly powered by Acast. Acast helps creators launch, grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com. Away from the Waleses, the King and Queen. What have they been up to? They've been up to all sorts. Earlier in the week, the King was pulling pints and helping to fit tires in Staffordshire.

He actually fit a tire? No. I don't think he did fit a tire, did he? I think he watched encouragingly. William did that, didn't he, recently? Yeah, William sort of screwed it all up. William said he did it loads. Maybe he does in Norfolk, going round.

Going round in the Land Rover, possibly. And later in the week, he'll announce a new initiative, 35 under 35. Yes. What's that all about, Roy? That's a new King's Foundation initiative. So the King's Foundation, which is sort of an amalgamation of quite a few of the King's charities,

across a load of sectors like sustainability and textiles and the built environment, all the things that the king likes to do well and sustainably. So it's launching to mark its 35th anniversary, this new initiative 35 under 35, and what they said today is we're searching for a group of exceptional young people who represent the change the king wants to see in the world across nature and sustainability, traditional arts and crafts, tech stars, architecture, urbanism, health and well-being, and horticulture and farming. And the final 35 who make the shortlist will have the chance to showcase their

specialism and passion at a range of events throughout the year. I think this is really interesting, particularly off the back of your story the other day about this Amazon film being made about the King's legacy projects and Harmony, which was the phrase Harmony was discussed a lot at the briefing today about this initiative. Oh was it? And I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people make it into the final cut of that film. It feels like this is the future.

But it was filming, it has been filming up at Donphries House, which is obviously the headquarters in Scotland, of the King's Foundation, formerly the Prince's Foundation. And now they're saying that it's the 35th anniversary of this charity, but like you say, actually, what they're doing is like, it's an amalgamation of all his different charities. As Prince of Wales, he went around setting up so many charities, but it became this huge kind of operation

to maintain all the charities. As he neared the throne, realized he wasn't gonna have the time for all that and had to kind of scale back and streamline it and make sure these charities could stand on their own feet and be kind of future-proofed. And that's what he's done with the King's Foundation. So yeah, that is all part of, like you say,

how he's, what he stands for, what we understand he stands for. And this idea is going back to that 2010 book that he wrote about harmony and how all these different charities actually all part of the same thing to make the world a better place, you know, to protect the planet, make communities talk to each other better, you know, have interfaith dialogue between different world religions. Make fashion sustainable. Yeah.

It all comes together, doesn't it? And this is all Charles saying, look, I wasn't just scattergunning loads of things, you know, in a kind of daft haze. It's all part of a big plan, all under one umbrella. So I suppose this is just kind of solidifying that. And as Charles always says, as I've been banging on for years about such and such, this is his chance. I just thought it was interesting that the 35 under 35 reminded me of Megan's 40 for 40 initiative.

What happened to that? What did happen to that? It was going to have, when she turned 40, she had that video, didn't she? She was going to sort of mentor, get 40 women to mentor 40 other women. Anyway, I thought it was interesting that the sort of he wants to kind of regenerate all those different strands with young people and see, you know, bring together all the kind of the sort of elite young people doing all those things in one place. Anyway, I thought it was very interesting and I suspect we'll probably, we'll probably be seeing it at Lexington.

And something to his credit, I think that, you know, he set up with the Prince's Trust. You know, that he's always seen this kind of, be inspired by young people and giving young people opportunities and things like that. There was a big revelation from the Queen this week, wasn't there? A very exciting new revelation. She's adopted a new puppy. Puppy. A new rescue puppy. She has gone where she always goes for her rescue puppies. Bad to see. Bad to see. Cats and dogs homes. She's got a new little puppy and it's called Moli. Because she told someone it's called Moli because it looks just like a mole.

Let's see what she did there. So Moli has replaced Beth, her Jack Jack Russell terrier who died last year. I don't know if anyone could replace Beth. Moley has appeared where Beth is no longer. Yes. I stand corrected. Beth was the Jack Russell terrier who died last November, of course. He was another rescue dog from Battersea as well.

And Moley we're told is a little bit a of terror and a half she's not quite sure. Yeah, not sure. Not sure of the parentage or... Not sure of the pedigree. That doesn't matter when it comes to Camilla and her dogs. She likes them any which way. Yeah. And it's going to be, hopefully, causing chaos at the palace, I expect. Apparently the palace... A mole at the palace, Roya. That's exactly what we need.

That's another episode. Apparently there will be official pictures issued of Moli in due course. But there were very interesting pictures issued already of something else that was quite shocking. What's that? The gladiators of Buckingham Palace. Oh, they relaxed the dress code, didn't they? This was the Queen turning up to Buckingham Palace to host a short story competition for children.

And then inexplicably, on one of the weirdest days, where in Wales we had the Wales is making Welsh cakes fine, and then talking about jam wars. We had that going on. We had the King packing up dates in Carnaby Street saying that he was passed his sell-by date. Sorry, what? Boom boom. And then Camilla appears at Buckingham Palace and these pictures are dropping of her with Nitro from Gladiators. Not wearing very much, I think. And fire. And he was in the stuff you'd expect him to wear on the BBC program, which is spandex. Sure. What is it?

Very low cut spandex. He's in aex. Sure. What is it? A leotard. Spandex. He's in a leotard. And tiny shorts that sort of left not much to the imagination. And Camilla was thrilled. That's the official line. I think it's fair to say. She didn't look too...

She managed not to laugh, which I thought was amazing. She sort of carried on... She did say, I bet the children were delighted to be escorted to their seats by you two. We were all a bit like, what are the gladiators doing there for a creative writing competition for children? I think it was they were weaning at the, I think this is quite a big deal for the Queen. I think reading between the lines in terms of how the press were managed around it, because all of a sudden you had gladiators there. So that's obviously a picture for everyone.

That's a great picture, a great image. the only connection it seems to be is that they are in a BBC program and BBC is sponsoring this it was quite a tenuous link it was a tenuous thing but it got the coverage that was fine for me it got the coverage and then also they were inviting kind of media correspondents to go and cover it as well as royal correspondence which I thought was interesting so it's obviously they're trying to build up this is something that they're really keen to kind of promote across the country. So, you know, some engagements, they really kind of put a fire under. And I felt like this was one of them.

So it's obviously quite important to her. I like what you've done there, because one of the gladiators was called fire. I didn't even know. I didn't even recognize that. But nice connection. Yeah, and they got the nice gladiators as well, because- And the nasty ones. Oh yeah, me and my kids are quite fond of the gladiators

on a Saturday night. And Viper is a very meanie one, and Legend is a meanie one, but they picked like the nice ones. Right. So that was good. The good cops. Yeah. Okay.

Well, it was- That was a weird day. It was interesting scenes in the palace. It's not often you see very tiny spandex shorts on Buckingham Palace reception guests, but we did yesterday. Yeah, and you think gladiators in the royal family, you have to go back to kind of Roman times

to think of arenas and things like that. So all very odd. The other development this week is that, you might remember listeners, we did a special podcast around Christmas time talking to a few people who are on the judging and advisory panel for the memorial that's going to be unveiled next year to mark what would have been the late Queen's 100th birthday. And we've had this week a short list of five teams who will in the coming months

submit some of their ideas to the advisory panel. It's quite an interesting list, Kate, isn't it? When we look at it. Because we know the King is very closely involved in this. And we were told by the people who came on the podcast that he's keeping a very close eye on how plans are sort of evolving, what kind of people might be invited to sort of submit or look. And the shortlisted teams include Lord Foster, the architect Foster and partners with Yinka Shonibare, the artist.

And that we thought that was pickling, didn't we? Because old Foster and the King haven't always seen eye to eye on architecture. No, not at all. I mean, in 2009, Foster was one of a number of architects who publicly criticized the King, who was then Prince of Wales, over his lobbying because he wrote a letter to a newspaper accusing Charles of using his privileged position to skew the course of the planning of the former Chelsea barracks. And actually that he sent a letter didn't he or he spoke to the who was it was it the Qataris? He privately contacted the developers Qatari DR backed by the Qatari royal family to recommend more classical plans rather than those

that were... It was Richard Rogers wasn't't it? Yes, that's right. Yeah, Richard Rogers, the architect. The modernist architect. Modernist, and Charles behind the scenes intervened and Richard Rogers' plan was scrapped, replaced with something much more traditional. And Lord Foster wasn't very happy about that. He thought that the king shouldn't meddle

in those kind of public projects. Yeah, this is the architect behind the Gherkin, of course, so quite a huge character in the architectural world. But then in 2023, Lord Foster told BBC's Radio 4 Today program that he would love the opportunity to talk to the King about the benefits of change in architecture. So maybe there was a softening. Once he ascended the throne, maybe Foster thought,

well, maybe I'll get in touch again. Maybe I'll submit a design for your late mother's memorial. The other shortlisted teams include Heatherick Studio, J&L Gibbons, Tom Stewart Smith and Wilkinson Air. So watch this space for whatever they submit. Yeah, because this is just the stage where the teams say, we're a great team, let us give you a design. So we haven't actually seen any designs yet. Neither have the team that we spoke to here on the podcast. This is just a kind of expression of interest.

But actually, they've got some really serious names on that list. Thomas Hetherick. Yinka Shonabari did that amazing ship in a bottle that went on the fourth plinth at Trafalgar Square. Yes. It takes me back to my arts correspondent days. I absolutely loved it.

I think that's one of my favorite things I've ever seen on the 4th plinth. It was very cool. I love the idea of him working with Lord Foster and all the others I'm sure were really good too. But I thought that's a really interesting. I like Heather because he did the cauldron at the 2012 London Olympics, which was stunning.

I remember interviewing him at the time and he seemed like a really nice, kind of thoughtful architect. And he was bringing in kind of elements of the kind of community and how people would view it and all the material. So I think that would really kind of play well with the judges who were. But neither of those two are traditionalists, which is why I think it's very interesting that they're both on that short list that the king is going to be very close eye on. Maybe the king's, you know, rousing up and becoming a modernist in his later years. Well, that's what they said in the podcast, wasn't it? That they were saying when they when we interviewed them, they were saying, actually, he's not,

you know, he's not such a kind of stickler for tradition as you might think which led us to believe that perhaps there'd been conversations where he could be open to I think more unusual. I don't think it'll I think again it's not going to be an abstract design I think it'll still be. No I mean I think if you go on the website as well it's interesting because they've got this is separate to what it's going to be more of a depiction of Her Majesty at the gate. Yeah.

This is about the whole trail, isn't it? It's about being more of a kind of digital, yeah. This will be a kind of a digital trail through which is going to sum up her life, what she means to people. So they're obviously looking for something quite creative. Well they've got it in that short list, Kate. Watch this space. It sounds promising, doesn't it? Yeah.

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