The Rundown - Figma CFO on OpenAI Integration, AI Monetization, and Global Growth Catalysts

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

Figma CFO Praveer Melwani led the design company through the year's most anticipated IPO. He talks about the eye-popping first day Figma had as a publicly traded company and weighs in on the debate about the IPO process being broken. Melwani also walks through the company’s new integration with OpenAI’s ChatGPT and breaks down the strategy behind turning AI from a feature into a real business model. Follow us on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@therundowndaily⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠This video is for informational purposes only and reflects the views of the host and guest, not Public Holdings or its subsidiaries. Mentions of assets are not recommendations. Investing involves risk, including loss. Past performance does not guarantee future results. For full disclosures, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Public.com/disclosures⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Welcome back to the rundown, one of the top business podcasts in the world. In today's episode, we are talking to the CFO of Figma, Pravir Melvani. Prevear has been at Figma for over eight years now. He took over a CFO back in 2022, and since then, he's guided the company through a failed acquisition from Adobe and also the Blockbuster IPO this summer. So in today's conversation, we got into what it's like taking a company public and seeing its stock price double on the first day. We also talked about where Figma sees growth ahead and how they plan to monetize AI and also what it's like to collect a $1 billion breakup fee. This was an awesome and wide-ranging conversation with Preveer. We even talked a little NBA. So let's get into it. All right,

Previer Melvani. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Yeah, really good to be here. Thanks for having me. Of course. What's life like been, what's life like as a CFO of a publicly traded You know, Figma went public over the summer. Have you gotten used to like the day-to-day changes compared to being a private company? You know, the first few days there, a little bit of a roller coaster, but then, you know, once you settle and post that first earnings call, I think things get back to normal a little bit. So right now, apart for the course for us, deep into 26 planning, very excited about a bunch of the stuff that we've got coming out. So, yeah, life's good. That's awesome.

I want to go back to the summer a little bit because it was a wild week to say the last. lease. As the CFO, you're obviously, you know, a big part of that process taking the company public. What was one part of the process that was like the most surprising to you? I mean, you can give me more than one. That's fine. There's just a whole bunch of stuff that needs to happen over the course of, you know, a short time period there. And, you know, one of the things that was really surprised me was how much our team was able to accomplish and just make a reality and you know you do it you do kind of you kind of hope and pray that it all works out and seeing it all come together is was really special and then obviously that that first day we did not

anticipate the stock to do what it would it did but you know we're here for it we recognize that you know it's a moment in time metric and we're very much focused on the inputs over the long term can we talk about that that first day because obviously that's like what everyone talked about the stock IPOed at $33 then it jumps up to over $100 in the first day um people were writing essays on Twitter about how the IPO process is broken. What do you feel about that? Because do you feel like that the process might be a little bit broken that it favors bankers versus, you know, Figma, maybe you guys left too much money on the table? No, I mean, look, I mean, basically the majority of the transaction was secondary. So the Pigma balance sheet didn't necessarily

move too much other than the, you know, the synthetic secondary that we raised to pay down the tax bill on the RSU that came due. You know, so from our perspective, it was the function of a whole bunch of interest in the stock and a pretty constrained float. And so, you know, we get excited to continue to educate the public on our story and narrative. I think, you know, that's going to take some time to bake. And that's kind of exactly what we told our employees is like, you know, we have to kind of keep heads down and keep building because, you know, the stock market is more of a, it's more of a weighing machine than, you know, than a short-term voting machine that we saw that day. Yeah, that's true. And that's a very good answer.

But I'm also thinking, like, imagine being an employee there. That first week, you're probably like, oh, what's going on here? It's got to be like that roller coaster of the ups and downs. Like, that's got to be nuts. Yeah, I can only imagine. Well, I mean, I lived through it. So definitely felt it. But, you know, again, there's only so many things that we can control.

Shipping great product, you know, listen to our customers. And that's kind of where our focus is today. But now being a publicly traded company, I mean, you know, you do have. quarterly earnings to worry about now, you know, investors to worry about. Do you think that puts extra pressure on the company, though, to maybe focus more on chasing margins versus innovation or shipping certain types of products? Like, how do you keep that startup DNA while also keeping the investors in mind? Yeah, I mean, one of the things that we were able to do over the course of not just through the IPO process, but for, you know, years now is, you know, those long only

investors, the folks that are going to be around the business for extended periods of time, We want them to understand how we think, how we make decisions, and be along for this ride for not just what's happening in any one particular quarter, but what's going to happen years from now. And, you know, that was an important thing for us. We went through that and we're selecting folks that were going to be part of the syndicate, or rather that we're going to be allocated shares. And we wanted to be a line there, that there are going to be moments in time where we're going to need to invest in the short term for the benefit of the long. And, you know, we're in one of those cycles today with our investments from many of our AI investments. And that's going to potentially create a headwind on our gross margin side. But if we do our job right, that means that there's more usage, more utilization on platform.

And more people are building, you know, the products of the future on Figma. And that, you know, over time will translate to dollars for the business. But in the short term, that that may mean that we're, you know, eating some of the additional costs there. I want to talk about some interesting things that that, that I learned, you know, just studying the company, you know, what was surprising to me the most was that 85% of Figma's users are outside of the U.S. Is that, is that correct? That's right. Yeah. And that accounts for around 50% of the revenue. Yeah. Yeah. So do you see like the international market as like the growth engine to kind of close that gap between users and revenue? You know, it's been a

consistent trend for us for some time. You know, I've been at the business now for about eight years. And when I first joined about 80% of our weekly active users, or I think just, active in general, we're outside of the states, and that's climbed to 85 today. But yeah, I mean, there's definitely a room for us to continue to localize and meet our customers where they're at. I mean, even as recently as this past week, we localized the product in French and German, and we're kind of going across, you know, a whole host of marketing activities across the world. And, you know, we've opened up off of all across Europe in places like Paris, London, and Berlin, in different parts of APAC and Singapore, Tokyo, Sydney, and, you know, we're looking to continue

to expand that in the near future here. And in large part, it is because, you know, design of the, it's a global phenomenon, you know, the way in which people are interacting with brands more often than not digitally. And, you know, that's not something that is only going to be felt here in the U.S., but candidly, it's felt by, you know, folks across the world, across all sorts of industries. Yeah, I mean, just my personal experience, I remember just trying, Figma for the first time. A buddy put me on to us,

send me a link and I'm like, we can work together at the same time. Like it was like the, it was like a flashbulb moment. I'm like, this is like Google Docs, but like for design. And it was just so cool. And then it's cool to see that like people all over the world resonate with that.

Totally. And it's kind of what we all come to expect though, right? It's, um, it's this really rapid way of working. It's this multiplayer collaboration that, um, that, you know, we've grown up on. And I think that's what, what,

what Dylan and Evans, um, you know, uh, what, what they sell, on when they started Figma is that they're just a unique way that felt a little bit different at the time to how designers were going to come and work together, not just amongst themselves, but with the broader set of folks that are going to interact with the product development process, your PMs, your marketers, your engineers. And design truly has a seat at the table at this point. It's the key set of interfaces that are going to be the front door to your customers.

And that's got to be really thoughtfully curated. And it's what's going to then, create those points of a differentiation that allow you to win. I think, Preveer, people don't realize, like, before a tool like Figma, it was a pain having to, like, save a design file, right? And then, like, have it to, like, email it to somebody. They look at it. They make changes.

They send it back to you with, like, V3. And then you're on V26. And it's just, it was a pain. This is like what, this is, this was a game changing tool. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I think it's, it's also just the start for, for where we're going. the future. We, you know, earlier this year, doubled our product portfolio. We rolled out,

you know, four new, four new products, one called Figma Buzz, which is a, you know, purpose-built surface area for marketers and brand designers. We rolled out a product called Sites, which allows you to go single-click to publish, and you then have a, you know, static site that you can then ship, and we'll host on your behalf. We rolled out a product called FigmaMake, which allows you to prompt your way into an actual application right out of the gate, and then there's a product called Figma draw, which is an elevated way for you to, an elevated vector drawing tool for folks that are really, really focused on, you know, craft and, and have, and want to have the ability to go deeper within the product as well.

I'm all about those mind maps. That's what I use Figma for mostly. It's awesome. Or the whiteboard stuff. It's just, it's awesome. Are you, are you sick of talking about AI yet? Or is that still like, are you still loving it? Because I feel like every conversation has to be about AI.

Well, it's almost like this platform layer. it's just part of who we are and how many companies build now. So, you know, I totally appreciate and understand the, you know, the sentiment and the excitement around it. For us, it is just the way that, you know, we expect, we all expect our products to be built in this kind of new age and new future. I mean, I think the words that I saw being thrown around was like Figma as a AI first design platform. But what I always think about whenever I hear that is like, how do you monetize it, right? I think that's still something that is unclear for a lot of investors. Like, how do you see Figma maximizing, you know, maximizing the monetization of AI?

Somewhere down the line. Yeah, you know, I think right now we're still focused on finding use cases and workflows that are really resonating with our end users. And as we continue to identify what are the hero workflows and really drive incremental improvement to those, we'll be able to figure out the modernization piece thereafter. But you're entirely right in that, you know, the questions around modernization are, you know, rising because there are elevated costs to running these new models, new products. And, you know, we're not, it's not lost on us that that's true. And, you know, I think there's going to be a way where we could marry both embedded usage on our existing, existing seat types,

well also then a consumption model that we can overlay on top that allows power users, folks are getting extreme amounts of value from the plight. platform to be able to do so. And then we, we as Figma can share in some of that value along the way. But I, you know, I think, you know, for us, it's right now about growth. It's, it's driving ubiquity of our new solutions. And we very much believe that, you know, that is the path to then the future modernization that we all are excited about. Was the partnership with Open AI, I think it was announced a couple weeks ago, where you can use Figma within chat GPT. I haven't tried it myself, but I'm excited to try that. Why was this? Why was Why was it important for Figma to be a part of the chat GBT ecosystem?

Are you seeing that as something to be a revenue generator or more of a pipeline for new users? Yeah, I think we'll see. I mean, right now, you know, they've got, what, 800 million monthly active users or something? So you want to be where folks are. And I think, you know, as people are discovering tools in different ways, starting in chat GVT is going to be an interesting way for our users to find Figma in the future. And the way that that integration works today is you, if you're describing a diagram or a workflow or mind map, it sounds like you do that in fig jam already today. You could start that in the context of a chat with chat GPT and we'll render those for you in line.

And should you then want the ability to go and save it down, make edits or changes, you can click, click through and open up a fig jam file directly within the chat GPT interface. You know, there's obviously different ways that we can think about evolving that. today it's primarily surrounding, you know, an open-width partnership where you can then land in fig jam, but you can imagine a world where, you know, maybe you want to be able to start a Figma slides journey within the context of a chat application, or maybe it's you're actually, you're actually going and describing an application you'd like to create and we render a Figma make there for you, which you can then go and take in, you know, the next sort of leg there. And I think there's going to be an interesting way for us to play with, you know, different sort of chat providers over time.

I think, you know, it's going to be an interesting, interesting journey for us to figure out how we continue to optimize this. But, you know, when they come knocking and there's just so many users there, we want to make sure that, you know, we're meeting the opportunity with haste. Are you worried at all that these tools might be getting a little too good? Like, nanobanana, when that came out a couple months ago at this point, it's like, man, this is starting to get really, really good. to where maybe it turns into a competitor of Figma. Yeah, you know, for us, what we've been focused on is we think that we are, you know, the system of record for folks that are building any sort of digital product or experience. And, you know, that's not necessarily one part of, that's not, it's not, it doesn't necessarily

to take just one tool, one, one prompt in order to get there. You really have to be able to serve every part from ideation all the way through build. And so, you know, there's a whole whole set of work. flows that have to happen along the way where you have to build alignment with your team members. You then want to be able to actually visualize it and potentially visualize it in multiple different ways, test it, prototype it, be able to hand it off to a developer who actually can then go build it. Or in some cases, we can actually work with, you know, whatever new age agentic ID that you're already living within and through an MCP server that we've created,

pull in the design context that can live side by side with you in VS code or cursor or windsurf right away. And so, you know, I think that what we very much believe in this new world that there's going to be more software, not less. You know, AI is definitely going to help that to happen. But it's well-crafted, well-designed pieces of software that have, you know, already had the muscle of internal alignment already built through it. They're going to be the pieces of the software that win. And we think that we can be that platform, that system of record that supports that over time. Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I don't think that these tools are like, people are going to need something on top of just these tools.

I mean, I've stopped using Photoshop. I know it's a bad word for you guys, but I stopped using Photoshop in exchange for some of these AI tools. But, like, Figma is, it's hard to replace everything you guys do. But sticking with the AI, AI line of questioning, when you hear the term bubble and circular financing, does that, do you roll your eyes at that? or do you take it seriously and just kind of like monitor the situation? I'm kind of curious to you as someone in your position, like how do you approach that? Yeah, I mean, right now I'm, you know, squarely focused on, you know, what can we build, what can we control on what are our customers asking for?

And I think, you know, what we're finding is our customers are looking for new ways that they can build more efficiently, more productive and be more productive with the set of resources that they can. And they're looking to us at times for inspiration on how to do that. And so, you know, now that we have so many more different. experiences that we can take to them. It's actually a pretty compelling platform pitch that we take back to them over time. And I know, you know, over what we're attempting to do even more so on the go-to-market side is

take a little bit more of a solutions-oriented console data sales approach to that process to be able to take the learning of, you know, some of our early customers who are actually, who are actually deploying, you know, our set of our AI solutions end to end and be able to replicate that in different ways. And so, you know, I think that, you know, many customers, there's, many companies are still searching to understand exactly how their workflows will change. And, you know, we at Figma, too, are feeling that today. So I don't, by no means, do I feel like folks have figured it out completely. But there's definitely a willingness to experiment, to learn and try things differently as, you know, more opportunities present themselves.

And right, right, and right now the markets are encouraging that, right? That probably helps, too where people are like, you know, investors are looking forward, you know, companies trying solutions for AI and some sort of business model around it. Yeah. And it's not, I mean, for us, even as we just going through our 26 planning, it's very much embedded in the way in which that we're talking about planning. So you lay out your headcount proposal, your org chart. And, you know, as I'm sitting down with each leader across the company and with Dillon or CEO, we're not just saying, okay, well, X number of people need to be,

me, you're required to do why job. It's like, hey, do you have the right system? Do you have the right process? Are you using the right tools in order to make it happen? I think, you know, it's it's harder today to say, hey, I need an additional person to go and do this task. You have to actually prove that you've, you know, you've tried the other sets of solves before, before, you know, we go and add an incremental person over time. So not only is it like a solution that you guys sell, but you're also looking at AI tools internally to help improve productivity and cut down costs. Yeah, I mean, the ways in which people are working are changing. And I think, you know, if you're, if you're closed off to

that, that could potentially leave you behind. And I think, you know, as a, you know, someone who has to be a steward of, you know, Figma's capital, I want to make sure that we're putting it in the right places. And we're creating opportunities for us to be efficient over time. Awesome. Awesome. Going back to, uh, zooming out a little bit, going back to like Figma overall as a business, what do you think about like the tam you know obviously design is everything now what are the upcoming areas that you see as like the most um the highest areas of growth right now moving forward yeah yeah so I mean when we're going through the go public process we identified a tam of about 33 billion dollars and we started there by saying okay well what are the personas that are in and around the

product development process that we can serve with the tools that we've created and that's already changing. You know, about two-thirds of our users today are non-designers. About a third of our users are designers and then, you know, about 30% of developers. So we sit today with about a one-to-one split between designers and developers on platform. But we know that there's way more developers out there in the world to everyone designer. And right now we're very much focused on, you know, through products like dev mode, through our MCP server where we can meet folks exactly in the tools that they're operating. How can we do a better job of serving a wider range of of that developer suite.

You then take a product like Figma Make, where in a prior life, a PM would need to work with a designer and developer as their hands to say, hey, take this idea that I have and let's prototype something. But in the context of Figma Make, what we're seeing is folks are being able to save time. What would have taken a couple weeks or weeks

could actually be now done in days, and that PM can actually go and express their ideas in new ways. And, you know, our focus right now is very much going deep within the existing customers that we have and showcasing to them. You know, there's a much broader set of things that we can, we can solve for them. And as roles continue to blur between, you know, a PM, a designer, a developer, and all sorts of all sorts of folks, we think that we can be that that tool of ubiquity that brings them all together. In the same way that, you know, Excel is not just a tool that's used by finance professionals or accountants. It's anyone who has something who is trying to make a list or, you know, manage the household budget. We think that there's going to be use cases with Figma where you're going to want to be able to communicate visually, design and experience, craft a UI.

And that's just going to be part of the, you know, the visual language that we all, we all are going to want to communicate around. I mean, you bring up the Excel point. I've seen people use Excel in the most insanely creative ways. It's crazy. So I can see what you, if people can do that with Figma, like the TAM is just astro. You should definitely play around or take a look at some of the community plugins and community files that people have built. And, you know, we've actually, we actually even ran like a make hackathon recently where we said, okay, anyone and everyone has the ability to go and create something in Figma and we'll come back and say, okay, what are some unique things that people have put together that were, you know, handwritten poems that people were handwritten poem creator that someone built. there was, you know, a whole variety of games that people were able to create.

Games. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the, you know, the, you know, the Figma platform is extremely powerful. And I think, you know, the more that folks are able to visualize and see what's, what they can do, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty creative what people are able to come up with. Yeah, I'm a new. I'm using it for just basic stuff. But now I'm inspired to try, like, you know, utilizing it for other stuff.

I'm going to, I'm going to check it out for sure. I want to ask a quick question about the M&A. You guys announced, Figma announced that that, that MNA is going to be a critical part of the growth strategy. And I think there was a couple of big acquisitions recently, Modify, which is a vector graphic startup, and payload, which is a content management system. Just curious to get your take on how you guys approach M&A, if there's like a checklist of certain things you guys want to see before you approach a company for acquisition.

Yeah. I mean, I think there's got to be a variety of things that are true for us. One, it's got to be a fantastic team, fantastic product. Like, that's kind of a fantastic business. That's kind of like a no-brainer. Two, they've got to be culturally additive for us in some way, you know, or, you know, there's got to be some alignment so that we're not going to have organ rejection when push comes to shove there.

And then three, it's got to be something that it can be a top priority for us. It doesn't necessarily need to have been the top priority, but it's got to be the top, one of the top priorities of our team moving forward in order to ensure its success. And if those criteria aren't met, then, you know, we've got to think a little bit harder about, you know, is this the right thing for the business to do at this time? Because, you know, the anecdotes are, is most M&A actually doesn't necessarily work out the way that you had originally planned. And so I'd say that we're learning on that right now. We're making sure that we've built the teams and the infrastructure to be able to digest, you know, digest stuff in a more thoughtful way. But I think it's an interesting time to be in the position where we are because there are a bunch of really interesting.

businesses that are catching flight. And we want to make sure that, you know, if there's an opportunity for us to capture lightning in the bottle in some way or, you know, leverage the large-scale distribution motion that we have, about, you know, 95% of the Fortune 500 are using the platform already today. We should do that. And, you know, I think we benefit from a strong balance sheet, from the, you know, the core fundamentals of our business that give us the flexibility to do this. And, you know, we don't take that, we don't take that lightly. Local news is in decline across Canada. And this is bad news for our business. of us. With less local news, noise, rumors, and misinformation fill the void. And it gets harder

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What was going on as you were handling all that? And my main question is, how does it work when it comes to collecting the breakup feed? Do you just like email over a wire information? or do you get that in installments? I'm really curious how it works from the outside. Like, how does that work? Yeah. Well, I mean, on the break fee point, yes, it is.

It's at the end of the day, there's a legal agreement. You sign that legal agreement. It's binding. And if all the things are checked, then, you know, money's owed in the right ways. And so, you know, yeah, I mean, I remember getting a ping from someone on our accounting team being like, hey, the number hit. And here's a screenshot. And I was like, oh, wow, it's a big number. But yeah, no, jokes aside, it was an interesting, interesting sort of, you know, experience to work through.

I, you know, I learned a ton, I think extremely highly of that Adobe team. I mean, they built a world-class, world-class business. And, you know, the executives there are just, you know, extremely, extremely bright and thoughtful. And for the, you know, whatever it was, 16-odd months that we spent together, I grew a lot of respect for what they, what they put together. together and what they built. And I think one of the things that was true for us is we knew that the way that we were restructuring this acquisition, we were going to continue to be Figma. There was excitement and around the brand and the vision and the direction that we were going

within. And so we're able to communicate that transparently to our team. And so a lot of stuff didn't necessarily change. We kept our foot on the gas throughout. And deal or no deal, we had to continue to run. And coming out of that, we launched dev mode. We continue to grow our team. And a year and a half later, we end up as a public business.

And so I look back at the time fondly because I learned a lot. But I'm very much excited to have clarity today and the ability to control our own destiny right now. Must have been a roller coaster, but I think it worked out pretty well for everyone. We only got a couple more minutes left. I just want to end with a couple lightning round questions. What was more stressful? The IPO week or your first earnings call? IPO week.

Is there like a certain cadence that you have to practice for the earnings call? Because I feel like they just like purposely dole it down like the tone just so because they just want to get through it like executives. Is that like on purpose or is that just, am I just crazy? Yeah, I mean, it's it's one set of conversations that end up happening. You end up having, you know, deeper callbacks not just with the analyst, but a whole set of investors as well. So it's the beginning of a, you know, a merit.

in the in the in the in the call itself they should just be some sort of like podcast that instead of earnings calls like because you could just sprice you know spruce it up a little bit make it more exciting um all right we're trying we'll take your feedback at any time so take a look at take a look at what we did last time we'd love we'll love any any feedback you have i'll definitely email you um what is what do you think is the figma's most underrated uh underrated feature oh interesting um Well, some of the ones that, like, my team use this quite a bit, as we use FigGM in the same way that you're describing to run all of our meetings, all of our cadences. And so, and I'm someone who doesn't really do well with a blank canvas. And so, you know, being able to describe to, you know, we have like a basic AI tool that can go and create a template for you or design the experience that you want as you're kind of working through something. I find that extremely helpful. And then we have an ability to, you know, summarize and categorize all the stickies and thoughts from the conversation. So that's always been a really helpful tool for me. Yeah, Fig Jam is awesome.

I meant to ask you this just a second ago. Would you be in favor of moving to a semi-annual earnings reporting versus the quarterly that we have right now? I know the SEC is looking into it. Do you have any opinions on that? I mean, I have no issues with that. There is a lot of work that goes through preparing for quarterly earnings call. At the end of the day, it's about, you know, being able to continue to.

to showcase progress to the investor community and be able to be transparent where it's possible. And so, you know, I'm all for the right amount of transparency. But, you know, living on the side of preparing for it, there is a fair amount of work that goes into it. Listen, man, if you guys move to a semi-annual podcast like us, we're going to be in trouble. So I might be emailing you for a job. If we move to semi-annual, last question, last question. We were chatting before the interview that you were from Toronto. Raptors fan

So if you're watching the video version, he has the famous shot of Kwai Leonard in 2019. Game 7 against the 76ers, the Philly fans, please turn off the feed. Are you a Blue Jays fan? I am. I got until, what, a couple more hours. Okay, perfect, perfect.

Good luck to the Blue Jays. And do you think the Raptors will make the playoffs this year? They're looking good. I mean, have you watched a couple of the preseason games? I haven't watched the preseason yet. I don't know if I should care about it, but, or you should care about it rather, but I think they're looking good. They're looking hot.

I mean, the last couple years haven't been so great, but they got some good talent now. I'm a Rockets fan, so I'm just, I'm super hyped for the upcoming season, so I can't wait. Preveer, thank you so much for your time. This was a fun conversation and hopefully you can hop on again soon. And maybe we can talk about how to make the earnings call a little bit more lively, you know? Love it. This is a lot of fun. Good to see you.

Appreciate it. Thank you. Well, all right, guys. hope you enjoyed that conversation with Figma CFO, Previer Melvani. You know, I'm going to be keeping my eye on Figma to see where they go now that some of the post-IPO hype has worn off. Let me know in the comments of what you guys thought about the interview, and if there was a question that you wish that I had asked in case we get Previer back on in the future.

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