The Russell Brunson Show - Russell & Myron Golden: 8 Closing Techniques Everyone Needs to Know

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

This episode of the Marketing Secrets podcast is one you don’t want to miss. Myron Golden and I teamed up to deliver an incredible session on "Persuasion Secrets," where we shared our best closing techniques to help you influence and sell like never before. From mastering the psychology of persuasion to implementing strategies that generate massive conversions, this episode is packed with insights that can transform your approach to selling. Whether you’re presenting on stage, hosting webinars, or creating engaging content, these techniques will give you the edge you need. Throughout the episode, Myron and I share actionable insights that have helped us close rooms of thousands and generate millions in revenue. From leveraging social compliance to building trust with the "all my cards on the table" approach, we dive deep into the psychology of influence and how to apply it to your business. Key Highlights: Social Compliance: The art of micro-commitments to guide audience behavior. Trial Closes: Using simple "yes" questions to build rapport and momentum. Overcoming Objections: Strategies for tackling "I can’t afford it" and other resistance points. Emotion, Logic, and Fear: Understanding the three keys to decision-making and how to balance them effectively. Kinda Like Bridges: Simplifying complex ideas to connect with your audience. If you're looking to refine your skills and transform your ability to persuade, this episode is packed with the tools you need to close more deals and make a bigger impact. Dive in and start mastering these techniques today! And if you want to enjoy the Marketing Secrets Show ad-free, check out https://marketingsecrets.com/adfree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, what's going on, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the podcast. Excited to have you guys here today. Today, actually, we posted something really cool on YouTube over the last week or so that did really well and people loved it. And I thought, man, this is something to be really cool to share with you guys here on the actual podcast. So kind of the backstory is a couple of years ago, Fun Hacking Live, I wanted to do a presentation called Persuasion Secrets. And so I kind of mapped out a really cool presentation and I thought, I want to be cool if I was able to pull Myron Golden into here and have him teach him stuff as well. And so we did this really cool presentation where we tag team back and forth, like our greatest persuasion secrets to get people to buy

and to come to you and all that kind of stuff. Right. And, um, anyway, so that presentation happened Fun Hacking Live and then it's been like two years. We haven't done anything with that footage. And so I made two YouTube videos, one where I just pulled my persuasion secrets. And the second video was just Myron's persuasion secrets and trying really cool. So I thought, what if I share that with you guys right now today as we're going? So, um, how many guys want to learn some persuasion secrets? Uh, this will help you in your webinars, your presentations, your videos everywhere. If so, um, I need you to do me a favor. After you listen to this, you need to come and learn how to sell online. We have an event called Selling Online I do every couple months.

And the next one's coming up here at the end of January. And if you go to sellingonline.com, you can get a ticket for a hundred bucks. It's a three-day event of me going deep into persuasion and selling and all sorts of cool stuff. But this will be a really cool podcast to get you guys into the mindset of persuasion. So with that said, I'm going to jump into the very first YouTube video, which is me teaching my persuasion secrets. And then from there, we'll jump over to Myron Golden teaching his persuasion secrets. Between the two, I hope you pick up two or three things that will change your business forever. Thanks so much. And I hope you guys enjoy this episode. In the last decade, I went from being a startup entrepreneur to selling over a billion dollars

in my own products and services online. This show is going to show you how to start, grow, and scale a business online. My name is Russell Brunson, and welcome to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. So what we're talking about today during this presentation, you can see the title, it's called Persuasion Secrets. And we call that, and I wanted to spend a good 45 minutes yesterday talking about persuasion because in every aspect of your life, you guys are going to be persuading people. You're going to be doing it in your personal life with your spouses, with your kids, with other people, right? We're always using persuasion, but

specifically in this business, it's all about persuasion, right? You have something you believe in. You have a gift. You've got a product, a service, something that you need people to come with you with. And if you don't learn how to persuade people to move with you, no matter how good your product, your service is, there's no way they're going to buy it. And so that's what this whole presentation is going to be, to teach you guys some persuasion techniques. You can weave in everything you're doing from Facebook lives, to blog posts, to webinars, to live events, to teleseminars, telesummits, virtual events. Like anytime you're speaking, Instagram stories, anytime you're speaking, Instagram stories,

anytime you're speaking, we're using these persuasion elements. And so we're going to show you guys a whole bunch of them. But to do this, I wanted to bring on stage one of my favorite speakers. We've had a chance literally to go to war with each other three or four times, doing big stages. We had one time at Grant Cardone's event in front of 35,000 people. We were on stage together persuading, closing a room of 35,000 people. We were on stage together persuading, closing

a room of 35,000 people. Can you guys imagine that? We had so much fun. He's one of the best stage presenters I've ever met in my life and also one of the best closers. And so we wanted to spend today

talking about persuasion with him. So if you guys can all stand on your feet and put your hands together for Myron Golden! I do. I do. Appreciate it, bro. All right. All right. All right. All right.

How many of y'all already learned some persuasion secrets? Let me hear you say yes. All right. You're ready to learn persuasion secrets from two of the best in the business, and you're going to do it, right? Say yes. Yes. All right. What's up?

Russell. You excited for this? I stay excited so I don't have to get excited, brother. I'm so excited. The first time I ever saw Myron, by the way, we were at an event. Dagan Smith, who's in the audience somewhere, me and Dagan did an event, and Myron came as a guest. And he was attending, sitting in the back, just doing his thing, hanging out. And then, I can't remember what happened, but you're like, let me tell you guys something real quick.

And he dropped this little bomb. It was just like this little thing. And he said it, and me and Dagan were looking at each other like, what did he say? I'm like, what's that guy's name i don't know it was just it was magic and it's like these little things that that come through myron's brain they're just like the most amazing thing in the world so i'm excited to be sharing a bunch of them with you and uh the game plan is we're gonna start tag teaming going back and forth sharing some of the things i do from stage to sell and persuade and myron and we kind of go back and forth have some fun fun. Does that sound good to you guys? Okay. Anything you want to say before we jump right into this?

Be ready, because it's about to go down. Awesome. Okay, so I'm actually going to start. I'm going to start number one. But before, so I'm trying to think of the best way to set this up. So we're going to go through a bunch of different principles. First principle I'm going to talk about when you are persuading people is a principle called social compliance. Here's ever heard of that before. Okay. To begin with, I'm actually going to show a really quick, it's like a minute long trailer for a movie. It's a documentary on Netflix called The Push. Who here has ever seen The Push before? Okay. To set this up, this documentary is crazy. This is your assigned homework for the next week is go home and watch this.

But basically, it was a social experiment to see if they could get somebody they'd met brand new and within a 90-minute window get that person to push somebody off of a building to their death. Could they actually do that? The logic is like there's no way. That's not possible. But as you watch the documentary, the four people they took to it, three of the four people thought they were pushing somebody to their death within 90 minutes of the experiment starting experiment starting and so i want to show you guys this documentary just because it's kind of creepy kind of evil but also there's some really

cool principles we're talking about so let's keep that documentary trailer right now okay here we go why is it wrong i want to talk to the auctioneer you did talk to the auctioneer and you helped him set these prices it's completed it's It's just the... Benny, Benny. Chris, I'll call an ambulance. Find the pills and bring them back. Chris is enmeshed in a web of lies, and that's important. I need him to feel like there's only one way out when he's told to commit murder.

My name is Derren Brown, and the question we're considering is simple. Can we be manipulated through social pressure to commit murder? 70 people coming in here. They can't see this. Take them by the knees. 70 actors will be playing out a meticulously planned and rehearsed scenario to manipulate this man, who has no idea he's being filmed. Come on, guys! What are we going to do? He's a millionaire idea he's being filmed. Come on guys, what are we going to do? He's a millionaire, he's going to make sure you go to jail.

This show is about how readily we hand over authorship of our lives every day. Just give one big push. Can social compliance be used to make someone push a living, breathing human being to their death. Welcome to The Push. Whoa! Everyone's like, do we clap? All right, so obviously my goal is not to get any of you guys to push somebody to their death in 90 minutes period time. But there are many times in my life where I need to use compliance and things

like that to get somebody to run to the back of the room, to buy my product, to buy my service. And so there's interesting things that by watching a documentary, when you don't look at it through the evil side, but through the, just like how can you use this as a persuasion technique, they're really powerful. So I remember when I spoke at the very first 10X event, one that had 9,000 people in the room in the Mandalay Bay. And my goal was to set the record for the most sales in a 90-minute period of time. And I'm like, how do I get people? This is a huge audience. The stadium was like, it was just so big. It was hard. Like, how do you get rapport and persuasion? And how do you connect with people that are like from all over the place in this huge stadium?

And one of the things that I learned from watching this documentary was all about getting people to make these little micro commitments. Commitments and consistency. Commitments and consistency. Right? They didn't walk up to the person the very first time and say, hey, go push this person off the building because they would have said no. Instead, what they had to do is like little things.

And so I thought, okay, what's the first thing I can do to get everybody as a whole, as a group to do a little thing? I'm going to do an ask that's going to get everybody to say yes to that. And that'll be the very first ask. And then I'll go to the next and the next. Okay, so those of you guys who had a chance to watch my presentation at 10X, what was the very first thing I did

to build social compliance? Who here knows? I had everybody pull their phone out. I said, everybody pull your phone out. Everybody get your thing. And suddenly within 30 seconds, I had 9,000 people in the room, all mirror and matching me, all with the same phone. And I asked them to do something.

They said, yes. I got people moving it around and we were mirroring and matching and everything was connected. Now I put it away and I already had this connection immediately with the audience where now we were connected. As opposed to typically it's like, oh, there's this person on stage. They're very disconnected and things like that. And so by doing that, I asked a little commitment and then I asked for another commitment and another commitment. By the time I got to the end, it wasn't crazy for me to ask for a commitment for them to go run and spend $3,000 for an account for ClickFunnels. Does that make sense? And so for all of you guys, you can weave these social compliance things into anything you're doing, right? Just think about in the last, how long

have we been going? A day and a half here at Funnel Hacking Live. I've asked you guys to do a lot of things. We had you guys stand up. We had you sit down. We had you do different things, right? I'm trying to build a rapport so that you guys will be able to move with me, be able to connect with me, and move throughout the entire event. And so that's principle number one is this insanely cool concept of social compliance

and how to use it and weave it into all your presentations. And it works just as well like on a webinar. That's why in webinars, I'm like, who here, like tell me what city you're from. And suddenly everyone's like, you see the chats blow up with a thousand people telling you what cities they're from, right? Like they're social compliance. Awesome. Who here came the furthest? Like who's excited to be here? Tell me your things. And people are complying. They're filling out the chat. They're moving and they're having them do things, right? By doing that,

you're creating these little micro commitments that lead up to bigger commitments. And so there's principle number one is social compliance. Wow. That's good. Give it up for Russell. Y'all make some noise. So principle number two is, um, the, all my cards on the table close. So understand this about closing. Closing is not something you do at the end of your presentation. Closing is something you do all through your presentation. When everybody is something you do all through your presentation. When? Everybody say all through. When? All through. All through. You do it all through your presentation. And so you have to start out closing if you're going to end up closing. And so one of the ones that I like to start with is the all my cards on the table close.

And how that works is like this. Like I'll do a challenge or a webinar or whatever, and I'll say, hey, you guys, have you ever been to one of those webinars or a presentation or a live event or a summit or something where people actually, they pretend to be teaching you something while the whole time they're trying to sell you something. And so you're sitting there trying to figure out how much it costs. How many of you have ever had that? And they wave their hands. Yeah. Okay. This is not that. Now, after I say, this is not that I say, not only is this not that, I'm going to tell you right now, I have something to sell you at the end. But, and I can tell you how much it is. It's $87,000. Now you don't have to spend any energy whatsoever worrying about if I'm going to sell you something or how much it costs. So now you can spend all of your time evaluating what I'm teaching you to see

if what I'm saying makes sense enough to you that you would want the learning to continue going. So you pay me at the end. Does that make sense? Everyone say yes. And so what I do is I say, okay, so here's what's going to happen. I'm going to teach you a lot of cool stuff. In fact, in this challenge, webinar, whatever, in this challenge, I'm going to teach you more than you've learned in a lot of multi-thousand dollar courses you've bought. And so your job is to evaluate whether or not it's worth it. My job is to give you so much value when I'm done, you don't want the learning to stop. Does that sound fair? Say that's fair. That's fair. Excellent. Give yourselves a hand for being here today. Now, when I do that, when I do that, what happens is I've taken away all of the things that they were going to use to resist my offer at the beginning.

Right? Now, instead of them thinking, okay, what's he going to try to sell me? Okay, how much is it going to cost? And they're using all of that energy to distract themselves from everything I'm saying. They don't have to use any of that energy for that at all. Now they can just evaluate it. They know how much it costs. And after I say it's $87,000, at the beginning of my presentation, they say, there's no way I'm paying that guy $87,000.

In the middle of my presentation, they're thinking, man, I wish I had $87,000. By the end of my presentation, they're saying, I got to go find $87,000. Right? And then when I give them the price, I give them a reason that I'm going to do them a favor and maybe only charge them $30,000 or $50,000, whatever that price is for that thing. And I can create a reason to sell it to them for less because they don't know who I am and whatever else the other reasons I give them. But now I put all my cards on the table. And since I put my cards on the table and I told them I my cards on the table, and I told them I'm going to sell them something, and I told them how much it costs, now they have a higher level of trust with me, because I also acknowledge that I've recognized the kind of webinars, and seminars, and presentations they've been to before, and this is not that. And just me

saying this is not that, even if they say, well, I hear you saying this is not that, but I'm going to see. Now they're paying attention to see if this is not that. So the next thing you have to do in that presentation, you have to make sure that your presentation is actually good, actually provides value, and it's not just a sales pitch disguised as teaching something. Is that helpful? Yes? Yeah. All right, Russell. I want to add to that. So the first time he told me that, I was like, so you tell them the price at the beginning. He's like, yeah. I'm like, that is so scary. And so I never did. The very first time I ever did it literally was at the 10X event. And I had it in my slides.

And I kept going through. I'm like, nope, nope, nope. And like probably five minutes before, I like was going to delete the slides. I'm like, I was so scared, so scared. I was like, I'm just going to do it. So then I sent the slides off. And it was too late. And so I get out there.

I'm going through the slides. And all of a sudden I see like slide three or four is me literally telling them like, at the end of this, I'm going to sell you guys something for $11,557. And if I can prove you the funnel is the greatest thing in the world, how many of you guys are willing to pay $11,552? And I got everyone to actually commit to it. And then I did the entire presentation and then I did the end and it crushed and it blew my mind. And recently I did a webinar. How many of you guys saw the funnel builder webinar I did a couple, like a month ago or so? During that webinar, the same thing like slide two i'm like just you guys know my goal of this entire presentation is get you guys to become certified uh become

certified funnel builder and the cost of this is gonna be twenty thousand dollars here's the price up here and then i did the entire presentation at the end we had the price drop but so the two biggest times they're done probably the two biggest closes i've ever done and so it works it works really well. No matter how scared you might be of doing it. So try that one out as well. I love it. Hey, Funnel Hackers, let's be real.

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And, um, I remember when I was first learning speaking, I heard people talk about him. In fact, his nickname, uh, they called him the pied piper of closing. And, uh, I was first learning to speak, I heard people talk about him. In fact, his nickname, they called him the Pied Piper of Closing. And they said what would happen is you'd see like the Pied Piper would be like walking and all the things are following. He's like, same thing. You see him at his presentations. He'd get everybody to pull their credit card out of the wallet. And then he'd get people. And if you go to YouTube and type in Ted Thomas Pied Piper, there's videos of this where he's got his credit card in hand. He's walking and there's a line of four or five hundred people walking around holding their credit cards. He's walking them to the back of the room, right? The guy's famous for

this. I was like, anyway, so I've been watching him. I've been studying him. I'm learning some stuff, but I never actually, I never actually met him in person. And one day I'm speaking at this event and I'm sitting there in the room. There's probably maybe 200 people in the room and all of a sudden I see it. Ted Thomas walks through the back door and sits in the audience, and I was like, that's the dude who's really good at closing, and I'm trying to sell. Like, I just kind of freaked out for a second. I'm like, okay, ignore him. Pretend he's not here. So I did my whole, my best to do my pitch, and I did, I closed pretty well. People ran in the back, and they signed up, and then, and then after that, he kind of lingered in the back of the room as I'm closing sales and stuff.

And I'm like, oh, man. And finally everyone left. It's just him and me. And he's like, hey, man, that's a great presentation. Can I take you to lunch? I was like, sure, let's go to lunch. And so he takes me to lunch. And at lunch, he starts asking me all these questions, making me feel like I'm super fascinating.

He's asking me question after question after question after question. And I'm like, this is so cool. And then he stopped. He said, hey, Russell, look at your head right now. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, look at your head. What's happening? He's like, see what's happened to your head? I'm like, what happened? He's like, I got you to say, I got you to nod your head. He's like, you've been nodding your head for about five minutes right now. I'm like, okay. He's like, I need to teach you something that's going to change your speaking career forever. He said,

when I was in the back of the room, he's like, you did a great presentation. You did all the things. But I was watching the heads of the audience. And everyone's head just sat there. So nobody's head was moving. He's like, the reason why is because the only time you tried to sell me something was at the very end. The first time you asked me for something was towards the very end. He said, if you watch the way that I speak, he said, I do these things called trial closes.

Like I was just doing to you. He said, trial closes I ask you a quick question like a yes or no question where you answer yes and he asked another question the answer yes he said if you watch me at the back of the room so if I'm on stage in the back of the room he said you'll see a sea of people whose heads are going like this for 90 minutes they said yes thousands of times before I ever asked them to take out their credit card and I was like that's fascinating how does this work he said okay this is what you need to do. He's like, you got to start weaving in these trial codes all throughout your presentation, right?

So he said, you say something. He said, you guys getting this? Does that make sense? How awesome is that? People are like, yes, yes, yes. And you keep doing that. You keep weaving in as many times as you can. So I remember after he told me that,

I was trying to think of like where I could put trial codes into what I was doing. And at the time I had an automated webinar that was doing really, really good. In fact, I remember to this day, we were making $9.50 for every person registered for the webinar. And so I got home, I took that webinar and I got it all transcribed and I figured out trial closes I could put throughout the entire webinar, probably a hundred of them. So I wrote out these trial closes. I recorded myself just saying the trial close. Like, are you guys getting this? Is this amazing? How many of you guys wish this was you?

Can you see yourself doing this? Et cetera, et cetera. I recorded those and had my brother take the video file and just weave in the trial closes. Like, I didn't change the rest of the webinar. I was just weaving in the trial closes to that presentation. We put it back live and we relaunched it. And we went from making $9.50 per registrant

to $16.40 per registrant just by adding in these trial closes. Okay? Now, at first, it's going to feel weird because you're going to be like feeling awkward trying to get people to say yes. But what I learned initially was I started getting these little sticky notes and I would write out different trial closes and I would stick them all over my, my monitor on my computer. And I would do a webinar. I would talk about something and I'd see one and be like, oh, you guys getting this? I'd see another one like, oh, does this make sense? Can you imagine yourself doing this? Can you like, wouldn't that be cool to be able to do with that person?

Like, would that change your life forever? Like, yes, yes, yes, yes. I started getting better and better at that. But you probably noticed when I speak in a traditional event, I probably ask you guys 5,000 questions in the hour I speak. Even if I'm not selling something, because I'm trying to get, again, commitment, consistency, compliance. I'm getting you guys saying yes over and over and over again.

So trial close is one of the most powerful things you can start learning and mastering and weaving into everything you're doing from Facebook lives, Instagram, YouTube, your podcast episodes. I want people nodding their head wherever they're at. Even on webinars, I'll be on a webinar. I'm like, I know you're out there somewhere.

I know I can't see you. I want you to nod your head. Yes, tell me yes so you can see. It's like shake your head up and down. I'm getting them in this yes state, this yes momentum. So by the end of time, when asking for money, they're so used to saying yes. So that's the principle of trial closes, man. That's good. And that's good. Give it up for us. We all make some noise. It's, it's, it's so interesting. Most people think that a presentation,

I'm just going to like add something onto what you just said. So most people think a presentation is a dissertation. A presentation is not a dissertation. A presentation is a conversation, right? And if you're the only one talking in your presentation, if you're the only one participating in your presentation, you'll probably be the only one participating in your close. So anyway, I thought you might want to think about that for a minute. All right. So the no permission decision close. Now, you've got to have a little bit of intestinal fortitude to use this closed. So a lot of times, see, and understand what Russell and I are doing.

We're showing you that we already know the points of resistance people have. You don't have to wait until they become objections to overcome them. You can just answer them while they're questions and they don't fester into objections. Does that make sense to everybody? Yes? Okay, so the no permission decision clause is the one that you have to use when you feel like there are going to be people

on your webinar, in your seminar, whatever, where they're going to have to say, I need to go talk to my wife. I need to go talk to my husband. I need to get permission from my wife. I need to get permission to my husband. I need to get permission from my wife. I need to get permission from my husband. I need to get permission from the mailman, the milkman, the dog catcher, my next door neighbor who's just as broke as I am, right? And they're always going to find somebody they need to get permission from. So what you have to do is you have to empower

people. I don't believe you have to convince people to buy. You have to empower people. They already, like people, people don't come to your webinar about how to do XYZ because they don't want to learn how to do XYZ, Z. So you have to empower them to say yes. How do you do that? No permission decision. And I tell a story. And this story is I was at the driving range one day, and I was hitting practice balls because I'm a golfaholic. And I know I need to join Golfaholics Anonymous.

Hi, my name is Myron. I'm a golfer. Okay, so anyway, so I was at the driving range one day, this dude that I don't, I've never had a conversation with before in my life. He comes up to me. He says, he says, you must not be married. Now at that time I was married for 35 years. I've been married now for 37 years. He said, you must not be married. I said, I've been married for 35 years. Why would you assume that I'm not married? He said, your wife lets you play golf this much? And I said, lets me? What am I in the third grade? I said, let me help you understand how we do it in my house, bro. We don't do permission in my house. My wife doesn't give

me permission. I don't give her permission. We are both grown. If my wife wants to buy a house on her way home, do your thing, baby. Show it to me when you get done closing. Right? And so all the ladies love that one. Can I get a witness, sisters? Can I get a witness? Okay. And so the reason I use that, well, first of all, it's true.

My wife doesn't ask me for permission to buy anything. I don't ask her for permission to buy anything. That's not how we do it in our house. It's insane. People get married and now the woman has a new dad and the dude has a new mom. Like, what is that? That's not marriage, right? So anyway, I don't have any opinions about that anyway. If I did, I'd never voice them in public. But since it's just us here, right? When I say that, I say, you know what? Your life is going to be better off when you stop giving permission to your spouse and you stop seeking permission from your

spouse. And your marriage is going to get better off because your spouse is not going to resent you when you tell them no, and you're not going to resent them when they tell you no, because y'all will celebrate the fact that each of you are adults. And I'm telling you, you say, well, how well does that work? I've been married for 37 years. Yeah. So it might work some, right? But we're grown. Like, my wife is not my daughter. I'm not her son. That's not how we do the thing, right? So the no permission, permission close, you have to tell a story about when you didn't ask for permission. Now, you've been married for 10 years and getting permission for 11. That clothes might not work for you. That's awesome.

Give Martin a round of applause for that one. I love it. Okay, the next one is one of my favorites because so many of us who are speaking about the topic that we love, one of the things we want to do is we want to show the rest of the world how smart we are, right? Which is the worst way to persuade somebody. We think that like, oh, by being more scholarly and putting on a hat and being able to use big words, people are going to think I'm very, very smart. What actually happens is it distances you from the audience, right?

They're like, oh, this person is using big words. I don't understand half the things they're saying, and it distances you from the audience, right? They're like, oh, this person is using big words. I don't understand half the things they're saying. And it separates you, okay? So for me, if you notice, like I always want my communication to be simple at everybody's level. So it doesn't matter how old you are, how like everybody can understand the things that I'm saying.

I remember back, man, this is however many years ago, during the, before Trump was president, when they were doing all the primaries and stuff, and they did a test. I think one of the news stations did a test, where they took every one of the people that were running on the Republican card, and they ran their presentation through a test to see what grade level they were all speaking at. And the typical politician was speaking at a 7th or 8th grade level,

which may seem kind of low, but whatever. But they ran Trump's back, and it was at a 4th grade level. And it's interesting, because when you're trying to persuade people, if you're talking at a seventh grade level or a tenth grade level or, you know, college level, you're not going to persuade them. You're going to confuse them. They're going to think they're dumb. They're going to think, and they're going to separate away. You got to be speaking at a second or a third grade level. Okay. That is the key through all sorts of communication. So what happens though is there's times in our communication where we're selling something, we're talking about it,

we're trying to teach something where we have to use a word that's complicated, right? A bigger word. And so what I do is every time I come to a word that's kind of complicated, like for example, when I was doing, working with Prove It, when they first launched,

we were helping them write the scripts and the pitches. And it was interesting because everyone in that business, they use very techno, like techno jargon, right? They use words like ketosis and ketones and glucose and all these things that you may think, oh, everyone knows what that is. It's not true. Like I've been in that business helping them for almost a decade now. And I still don't know the difference between glucose and ketone. I don't even know what those things even mean, right? But they assume that everybody knows and start throwing this jargon. And like you're trying to close somebody on this thing and you're using this. I don't even know what those things even mean, right? Like, but they assume that everybody knows. They start throwing this jargon, and like, you're trying to close somebody on this thing, and you're using this jargon, assuming they know what it is, and they don't.

Okay? So what I do, I use this thing called the kind of like bridge. And what the kind of like bridge is, is you basically, every time that there's a word, let's say this is a word right here, and I'm gonna use a really confusing word, and it could be funnels, it could be ketones. It could be whatever. So let's say it's ketones. I got to realize that like most of the audience has no idea what a ketone actually is, and if they do, they probably already bought the product or service anyway. So the people I'm trying to persuade don't know what that is yet. So as soon as I say the word ketones, I have to stop and say, it's kind of like, and I tell them a story that's going to bridge the gap for something they do understand. Okay, so it's ketones. It's kind of like, and so tell them a story that's going to bridge the gap for something they do understand.

Okay. So it's got, it's ketones. It's kind of like, and so I draw this bridge backwards, right? It's going this direction. And I explain something that they do understand that they already have context for. So like when I wrote the cells, the cells video for, for prove it, one of the things I said, I talked about ketones. I said, I, in the script, I said, then you drink this stuff and you get these things in your body called ketones. Ketones are kind of like having a million motivational speakers who are running through your body, making you feel amazing. And people are like, oh, that sounds awesome. They don't know what ketones are, but they know what motivational speakers and a thousand running through your body, like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.

Okay. And so anytime I'm speaking, I try to figure out what are the words that are going to come over here that are going to be this wall that as soon as somebody hears it and they don't understand it, they feel dumb, and they kind of start separating away from you. Okay, every time that comes up, I got to stop and say, what's it kind of like, Bridge? One of my favorite people inside of my Category Kings program, Ryan Lee and Brad Gibb. Are you guys here somewhere probably? Yeah, they're here somewhere.

They were probably the best—well, they were probably the worst at this and now the best of this. When they first came into our world, they're selling financial planning, all these things. And these words that were so big that I did like, I don't know what they're talking about. And they're like, but Russell, you have tons of money. You should bubble. And they started dumping these words on me. And I was like, none of these words are English. Like, I don't know what you're saying. And they're like, but you're an educated person. You have tons of money. I'm like, yeah, I still don't understand a thing you're saying. And so they literally went back to their presentations and their webinars and their speaking. And they're like, but you're an educated person. You have tons of money. I'm like, yeah, I still don't understand the thing you're saying. And so they literally went back to their presentations and their webinars and their speaking.

And they figured out kind of like bridges for every single principle, every single concept they had. And I watched them as they kind of struggled. They kind of struggled. They kind of struggled. And they were some of the fastest from as soon as their message clicked,

they went from not having any success to Two Common Club, to Two Common Club X and beyond in months versus decades like it was crazy and when it came down to one of the the core things was coming back and simplifying their communication instead of using these words they assume everybody knows they use kind of like bridges every single time so every time you're creating webinars slides instagram anytime you use a word you're like somebody might not know this just stop like it's kind of like this then you're going to build a funnel it's kind of like this then you're going to build a funnel

it's kind of like this and he explained something that they're going to make sense it's kind of like bridges are so simple and so powerful and it'll help you to be able to persuade people and move them to what you need them to do so that is kind of like bridge give it up for russell y'all make some noise make some noise oh i thought we were at funnel hacking live give it up for russell brunson y'all make some noise. Thank you. That's better. So. Hey, Funnel Hackers. Let me paint you a picture. You're running a business.

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You can't wait until they say I can't afford it, because if you try to overcome it then, then it feels like arguing, right? So I call this the I can't afford it close. And so what I do is I tell them early on in my presentation, I define what I can't afford it really means. So I say, some of you have heard people say, and by the way, even before I say that, let me say this. One of the best ways for you to use a close,

I probably shouldn't tell you this part. I'm really giving you keys to the castle right now. Okay, but I'm going to tell you. Give us the keys, Byron. Okay, so one of the'm going to tell you, give us the keys, my friend. Okay. So, so, so, so one of the best ways to teach people something that is going to immediately help you and cost them money is to teach them how it's going to immediately help them and make them money. Right. Did y'all pick up what I just said? So, so instead of me saying, instead of me saying,

uh, don't tell me you can't afford it. Say how many many of you, how many of you ever get I can't afford it? Wave at me and say I. Okay. How many of you would like to never get that again? Say me. Me. Okay. Here's what you do.

And I get it. There's only seven of you who don't want to get that anymore. I get that. Okay. So, so, so here's what you do. You say, I'm going to teach you now how to not have to deal with I can't afford it anymore. Everybody ready? Let me hear everybody shout. I'm ready. I'm ready. Okay, cool with I can't afford it anymore. Everybody ready? Let me hear everybody

shout, I'm ready. I'm ready. Okay, cool. So here's how it works. Understand that when you talk to people and they say I can't afford it, it never means they don't have the money. Here's what it really means. I'm going to translate I can't afford it into a language you can understand. Here it is. This is not important enough to me to figure it out. I mean, think about it. How many of you have ever seen something that you want, but you didn't have the money for, but you figured it out? Wave at me and say aye. Aye.

Right. We've seen a house. We've seen a car. We've seen a pair of shoes. We've seen a vacation. We've seen something we wanted to buy, didn't have the money for it, but what do we do? We figured it out because we know that everything is figureoutable. But when it doesn't mean enough to us, we don't figure it out. So understand that when your clients say, your potential clients say to you, I can't afford it, what they're saying

is this isn't important enough to me to figure it out. Now, here's what you got to do after they say that. You have to figure out what in your presentation, whose presentation, everybody type yourself in, just say mine. You got to figure out what in your presentation made them come to the conclusion that it's not important enough for them to figure it out and then fix that. And then I can't afford it won't come up anymore. Does that make sense? Everybody say yes. And so, so, so watch what happens if we, if I pre-frame that new belief. See, people weren't born believing anything So we think well, this is what they believe though. I can't just tell them they don't believe they weren't born believing that they adopted It from somewhere you can give them a new belief that serves them at a higher level and they'll adopt that like in the moment

So that's how I overcome. I can't afford it before I ever hear I can't afford it So people don't say I can't afford it Even if they want to say even if they don't have the money and it's not even important enough for them to figure it out, they don't say either one of those. Right? They just don't do it. Yet. I had a lady, seriously, I had a lady come to me. She said, Myron, I've been following you for 12 years. And finally I decided to buy your high ticket program back when it was like $25,000. She had been following me for 12 years before she bought anything and the first thing she decides

to buy is $25,000. So sometimes it's not important enough for me to figure it out. If you're really, really good the last word in that sentence will be yet. Y-E-T. Yet. Russell? Give him a round of applause! That was amazing!

I just want to add one cool example that back when I was first getting started in this business, I was doing a teleseminar. This is pre-webinars. Before we had Zoom, we had phones. And so I was doing a teleseminar, and the person I was doing the teleseminar with jumped

on. He's like, hey, before we do this, we're going to do a 60-minute call and then sell this thing at the end. And he said, just so you know, he's like, there's four things that people say no to. These are what they are. If you ask me these four questions, people will buy like crazy at the end. And so one of the questions was, the product was $297. He's like, most people think that's really expensive when they first hear about it. So the way I need you to ask me the question is ask me the question saying, hey, uh, hey, the guy's name is Mike Chan. I said, hey, Mike, um, it's kind of crazy. This, this product you created, like

there's so many things you're only charging that $297 for it. Why in the world do you sell it for so cheap? That was the question I asked like 10 minutes in the thing. And then guess what? At the end, no one said I can't afford it. They're like, oh, that is so cheap. Like just shifted the frame very beginning. So that by the time we got to the close, it seemed really cheap. Okay. Little tweaks, you're weaving into your presentation all throughout to set it up. So it closes easier at the end. So good. Okay. Principle number seven. This is one I could literally do a three-day event on, but we do not have that much time, unfortunately, but I'm gonna spend three or four minutes on it, which is gonna be so much fun. So when I'm closing anybody, and this is true in all aspects of everything,

in webinars, teleseminars, sales pages, email sequences, retargeting campaigns, everything. There's three core things that I use to close someone. Number one is emotion. Number two is logic. And number three is fear. Now, I'm going to draw a picture of the human brain because the human brain looks kind of like, oh, I wish it was better, like that-ish, okay? And this is like this squirrely, okay.

The front of the human brain up here somewhere, this is our conscious mind, right? In our conscious mind, there's two things that are happening. One is called emotion, and one is called logic, okay? Back here is our subconscious mind, and then down here somewhere is the lymphatic system, I believe, and back here is where we have fear. Now, I did this whole thing at the Unlock the Seekers family event this summer with all the kids.

I came out and we showed how this is an elephant. These are monkeys. This is a lizard. And we drew this big, it was so much fun. So your kids can explain this to you later if you need it to. Just ask about the monkeys, the elephants, they'll break it back down for you.

But these are things that are happening in our brain every single day. And so every single one of us works off of different things. Some of you guys are very emotional. Some of you guys are very logical. And some of you guys only buy or move based off fear. Okay. And so a good way to explain these first ones, if I came out to you with a box of Twinkies and I showed you the Twinkies, how many of you guys would be like, oh my gosh, I want a Twinkie right now. Who are my Twinkie, people want a Twinkie right now? Okay. That's not for a big audience, which actually makes a lot of sense. Your kids

would all freak out, right? Because they see the Twinkie and emotion leads and like, oh my gosh, I want that Twinkie so good. Okay. All of you guys in this room know what happened is you saw the Twinkie and all of a sudden logic kicked in. You're like, how many calories is it going to be? How much sugar? I'm going to have a sugar crash. You start logically thinking through all the things, right? Okay. And we have this thing where we're fighting between emotion and logic. Emotion and logic, these two things are always battling back and forth. Okay. And so I'm giving a presentation. I got to speak to both these minds.

Now, for the most part, emotion for me is a better thing to close with. So I will lead with emotion. It's my best thing. I'm going to lead with stories, emotion, to get somebody emotionally

to want to move. Okay? And there's going to be a segment of the audience that's going to move based on emotion. Okay? After I get the emotional buyers

to say yes, then I have to transition to the logical buyers. People who logically need me to explain things so they can basically go back to their spouse and tell them logically why they bought it. Okay, we all know that people buy things emotionally. Like if you were to go buy a Ferrari,

you sit in it or a Lamborghini, you sit and you're like, oh, this would be so cool. You're driving around, you're like, this is amazing. Like, I feel so good. You pull up to the gas station and people are coming to you and you're like, this feels really, really good. And you drive back home and you tell your spouse like, hey, I feel so good. You pull up to the gas station and people are coming to you and you're like, this feels really, really good. And you drive back home and you tell your spouse like, hey, I just bought a Ferrari.

But the thing is, it gets really good gas mileage. It has really high resale value, which is amazing. And we logically justify it, right? There's emotion, there's logic. And then the last one is fear, okay? And to overcome fear, we use urgency and scarcity. So it's interesting. If you look at just this event, for example, how many of you guys

bought your tickets last year's Funnel Hacking Live? Because you're like, this is amazing. I'm not going to miss this no matter what. Who are my people who bought it last year? You're my most emotional buyers. Okay. Number two, how many of you guys were waiting? Who's going to speak next year? Is it going to be worth it? Like, is Tony coming back? Who's going to be like, I'm going to wait and find out. How many of you guys bought between last year's Funnel Hacking Live and maybe like three months ago? How many of you guys bought during that window of time? Okay. Very cool.

So motion and logic. Now, did you guys know that almost 50% of our tickets are sold in the last three weeks? How many of you guys bought in the last three weeks? Oh, guess what took me to get you here? Fear. Fear of missing out. Urgency. Scarcity.

Pulling things away. Okay. Now, if I only tried to sell with here? Fear. Fear of missing out. Urgency. Scarcity. Pulling things away. Okay? Now, if I only tried to sell with emotion, or only tried to sell with logic, only tried to sell with fear, I would not make as much money. So every sales argument I have, I'm attacking emotion, logic, and fear. Okay? I do it when I'm speaking at a webinar. I'm doing it on stage.

If I have a sales page, right? Here's my sales page. The top one-third of my sales page uses a video that's very, that's driving towards the emotion. Underneath the video, the user's longer form copy speaking to logic. In the bottom, I have urgency and scarcity speaking towards the fear. In a retargeting campaign, guess what happens first? You hit my page and you leave. The first set of retargeting ads are all speaking towards the logic. Then we transition over, excuse me, to emotion. Then we transition to logic. And last ones in the campaign is transition to fear. My email sequences, guess how they go? We lead with emotion. Then we go to logic and then ones in the campaigns transition to fear my email sequences Guess how they go we lead with emotion

Then we go to logic and then we go to fear over and over and over and over again So for me I'm tacking these three parts of the brain because these are things that you to get you to move or to not move and if I don't focus on all three of those I'm presenting nobody's gonna move there you go with the motion logic and crazy town Let's give it up for us. We're on see off. Wow Wow, I was having all kinds of ahas there. I almost got stuck in my own brain. Okay. Okay. So this one I'm going to give you, this is like a price elasticity and how you overcome price resistance close. I call it the upgrade your money close.

Okay. So, and here's how it works. So I will say to somebody in the audience, I said, well, I'll say, look, I've got a hundred dollar bill. I got a hundred dollar bill. Is there anybody in this audience who would like to buy this from me for $10? You give me 10, I give you a hundred. Okay, cool. Um, so I want to pick somebody, raise your hands again. I want to pick somebody. I want to pick somebody. I'm looking for somebody I know. It's so hard to see people. Okay. Okay. So anyway, yeah, I'm just going to say John Smith.

I'm not selling it yet. But stay there. Stay there. What is your name? Samir? Samir. So Samir. We're going to take Samir, y'all. So Samir, if I said you give me 10, I'd give you 100, right?

Do you like that deal? How many of y'all think that's a good deal for Samir? Say yes. Okay. So what if I say, what if I say, okay, Samir, let's, let's change the game a little bit. Let's say you give me a hundred, I give you a thousand. Like you give me a hundred, like I like start peeling them off, right? I give you a thousand, right? You like that deal? Do you like that deal? How many of y'all think he's making a good deal, y'all? Okay. All right. What about this? What about you give me a thousand, I give you 10,000. You like that better? Okay. So let's play the game a little longer because this is getting kind of tiring. You give me 10,000,

I give you a hundred thousand. Do you like that deal? How many of y'all think he's making a good decision? Yes. Okay. You give me a hundred thousand, I'll give you a million. I mean, like write you a check right now, clears the bank, let's go. Do you want that deal? You give me 100 grand, I give you a million dollars. By the way, how many of y'all think he's making a good deal? Okay, how many of you, if I said to you, you give me $100,000, I give you a million? That's good.

Like, you would do it today. Right, okay. So watch what happens. What if I said to Samir and all of the rest of you, I'm only going to do one of those. I'm going to give you a hundred for 10, a thousand for a hundred, 10,000 for a thousand, a hundred thousand for 10,000 or a million for a hundred thousand. And you can only pick one. Samir, which one are you going to pick? The first one, a middle one, or the last one? The last one. How many of y'all? First one, middle, or last? Can't hear you.

Okay, so what did I just do? I just taught you how to think like a wealthy person. What does that mean? Poor people ask the wrong questions. That's why they get the wrong answers. They always ask, how much does it cost? When they should be asking, how much is it worth? And so, does it stand to reason? I mean, watch this. I want y'all to really think about this now. This is me teaching you how to close stuff on your presentations.

Does it stand to reason that Russell Brunson has helped 400 and something people get, no, 1900 something people get two comic club awards, 400 something people get two Comic Club Awards, 400-something people get two Comic Club X Awards, and then 40-something people get like two Comic Club C, I don't even know the letters anymore, the bigger one, awards. Does it stand to reason that he could teach you how to make a million dollars yes or yes? Right, right. And so when I'm doing it, I ask people, so does it stand to reason that if I've taught this person I have a million-dollar day, this person I have a $100,000 day, this person I have a $300 day, this person I have a hundred thousand dollar day, this person had a $300 day, this person had a $900,000 day and apologize for it not being a million dollar day, doesn't stand the reason I could teach you how to make that much in a year, right? And you, and all you have to do is think about it. So now I've given them a new frame to think about my

offer and they're not asking when I make the offer, how much does it cost? They're asking what, how much is it worth? Because the reality is like, if I had not joined Russell's inner circle, and I'm not trying to pitch you on Russell's inner circle, I'm just using this as an analogy, like, but it's true. But, but, but if I had not joined Russell's inner circle back in 2015, when I was coming back from seven years of like total devastation, like if you want to know that story, I've got a video on YouTube that says I've lost, I lost millions. Like, and literally before I came to Russell, I'd lost millions of dollars and came to his inner circle and it changed my life forever. And I would not be here today. I would not be here today. So, so doesn't it make more sense to spend more to make more

by asking a better question than spending less because of how much it costs? See, it's going to cost you something either way. It's going to cost you if you don't buy, but it's going to cost you if you buy. The problem is it's going to cost you more if you don't buy. It would have cost me all of this. We've done over $11 million already this year in revenue that we would not have done if I had said no to back then what was a $25,000, now it's a $50,000 inner circle. So anyway, that's the upgrade your money close. Dude, that was amazing.

You all love that one? He's trying to buy your money from me now. He still wants the... Come see me. I'll sell you a million dollars for like a couple hundred grand. No, seriously. I got you, bro. That's awesome.

You guys, there are so many amazing persuasion techniques we got a chance to share with you. Before we run out of time today, did you guys enjoy those? All right. That's it, man. I guess we're done. Appreciate it. Thanks, everybody.