The Ryan Hanley Show - RHS 180 - How to Bet on Yourself and Win with Brenden Corr

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

Became a Master of the Close: https://masteroftheclose.comIn this episode of The Ryan Hanley Show, Ryan Hanley sits down with Brenden Corr.Brenden Corr is the director of business development at Loss Run Pro. He joins the podcast to talk about how we bet on ourselves and actually win…We also may have, at some point, discussed loss runs as well.This is an episode you don't want to miss...Episode Highlights: Ryan shares his personal journey of discovering the impact of inflammation on his body and making changes to his diet and lifestyle to reduce it. (4:39) Brenden mentions how humans used to consume a pound of sugar per year in 1920 and now consume 130 pounds of sugar per year, causing a variety of health issues. (10:27) Ryan discusses how being healthy can be a competitive advantage in business. (14:13) Brenden shares his uncle's advice that sales are a combat sport that requires both mental and physical preparation. (18:55) Brenden shares his personal experience with making changes in his life to improve his situation. (22:16) Brenden explains the importance of emotional sobriety and the most difficult part of the recovery process, as well as the importance of mental clarity and positivity in life. (27:23) Ryan discusses the significance of finding purpose and meaning in order to be happy. (33:57) Brenden mentions that Loss Run Pros assists insurance producers in completing loss runs more quickly and efficiently. (42:37) Brenden discusses Loss Run Pro's two main solutions: automating loss run requests for new business and proactively scheduling loss run requests for current accounts. (45:07) Brenden shares the types of insurance agencies that will benefit the most from Loss Run Pro. (50:09) Ryan discusses how Rogue documents and tracks workflows using living documents and Google Docs. (52:20) Brenden mentions that Loss Run Pros has been in business for two and a half years and has just under 2500 agencies signed up, which has allowed them to understand what the downstream look like for retail agents and how to improve integrations with AMS systems. (56:30) Key Quotes: “Our system is designed to simply help producers get loss runs faster, for a very cost-effective price point.” - Brenden Corr “Our goal was to automate not only those emails that are going out but then also to allow agencies to be far more proactive, and schedule them across, you know, a year or a couple of years out. So kind of two solution points there.” - Brenden Corr “The advantage of that is not only is it automating the process from an agency side with trackability, and in our program, but then it gives your prospect a one-click button that allows them to access their loss runs directly from the carriers.” - Brenden Corr Resources Mentioned: Brenden Corr LinkedIn Loss Run Pro Reach out to Ryan Hanley Rogue Risk Finding Peak Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

in a crude laboratory in the basement of his home hello everyone and welcome back to the show. Today we have a tremendous episode for you. A conversation that I didn't see coming necessarily. Obviously I'm a fan of Brendan. I'm a fan of what he does and I'm a fan of Lost Run Pro. But I had no idea where the first 40 minutes of this conversation were going to go. And I'm so happy with where they did go.

That's not great podcasting, but I love Brandon. Love this conversation. We have been a client of Lost Run Pros for two years. Our premier division, our middle market division uses Lost Run Pro every week, if not every day to do the work that they do. And our renewal team uses Lost Run Pro anytime we need to go get out, get renewals and shop or shop or renewal, or you need to get lost runs to shop or renewal. Lost Run Pro has been a great partner of ours.

Happy to have Brendan on the show, but just big fan of him as a dude. And our conversation was absolutely tremendous. You're going to love this one. Stick around. Before we get there, as always, thank you for listening to the show. If you enjoy the show, if you get value out of the show, if you have a friend that you think would love this podcast, that would grow from this podcast, that would enjoy this podcast, I'd love for you to share it with them. Word of mouth is the best way to spread what we do here, the way we think. If this is something you enjoy and you want to share with

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they're a good fit for you guys, I am happy to promote them. And in the case of Tivoli, very, very much so. So go to tivly.com today. Now let's get on to Brendan Kaur. I'm going to shaboom. What's going on, dude? What up, my man? Too much. Crank it through another day, you know? Goodness gracious, man. So man so what celebrate a little birthday a couple days ago yeah i turned 42 on monday dude like are you like me that every year

i get like the harder i sneeze like the harder my back breaks every single time like i um you know it's funny i uh it's been it's it's tough i i i up until about four years ago i would say i agree with you um i was having so much inflammation i actually just wrote an article for this on uh finding peak the little blog that i did i shouldn't say little we're we're almost at we're we passed 1500 subscribers and it's only been live for like four months which is really cool so oh damn yeah and like we have 75 75 readership on a lot of the articles so it's pretty fun but whatever uh so i wrote the article on inflammation so about four years ago five years ago or so i was having such bad inflammation. My back hurt, my knees hurt, my hips hurt. I constantly had foggy brain, my arms hurt, my fingers hurt, a lot of stuff in my right arm. Cause I played baseball and I played football and like,

right. Everything hurt all the time. And, um, and it was just, it was miserable. It was like, it was like everything was constantly in pain. I was constantly whatever. And I think that's the way a lot of people go through life. Yeah, yeah. And what broke me was in 2017, I did a conference. I put on a conference called Elevate. It was in Wisconsin, Milwaukee. It was awesome.

I got to the second. It was a two-and-a-half-day conference. And I got to the second half of the last day. And I literally ran out of steam. Like I had nothing left. I didn't have an ounce of energy left. Nothing like it was just, it wasn't like, Oh, I can plow through this. It was like, I literally am past zero. Like there's nothing else that i can give and then and i was supposed to close out the conference i was supposed to do this um fireside chat uh and um with this guy named michael and uh he was like big into like programmatic ads and you know we were supposed to we're going to finish the conference with like what the future of you know, we were supposed to, we were going to finish the conference with like, what the future of, you know, advertising and digital and all this stuff could be. And the guy was super smart.

And, and I was excited to like have this fireside chat with him. I sit down. So I introduce him. I sit down and we're like, chairs are kind of facing each other. And I look at him and I mouth the words to him. You have to take this I'm done and he like thankfully he looked at me he got it I kind of gave him a look like I'm okay but you gotta go right right he stood up and he took over and I just kind of sat there and I kind of made

it seem like it was part of the plan and and he was like oh you know you know why don't I just go for it I was like yeah you know and it kind of like played up a little bit but it was and thank god he did that because I had nothing left so okay so fast forward like a week or so later I'm like I'm only at this point I'm like 37 30 yeah probably 37 38 yeah yeah I'm in that range and i'm like i should not feel this way like i should be able to get through a two and a half day conference i mean i'm sure of course i'm gonna be tired right but i should not be like on the floor so i started doing a bunch of research into you know i never even thought i mean i'd heard the term inflammation but i don't i don't

know i didn't really understand the impact on our body and all this kind of stuff and i I went down, I tend to, uh, once I get some time, my brain, I tend to be fairly neurotic about it, but I like went down this rabbit hole. It's like anti-inflammation rabbit hole. And I changed my diet. I changed the way I work out. I changed the way I hydrate. I changed. I changed so much stuff. Right. Right. Um, and dude, I mean, like I said, I'm'm 42 today probably feel 27 yeah it's what what was the biggest contributor of that in terms of like you know certainly exercise helps sugar right yeah i was gonna guess that yeah yeah sugar is so so sugar sugar is terrible for us sugar is a drug

right i mean no doubt we know this i think i think a lot of us know this at face value Sugar is terrible for us. Sugar is a drug, right? No doubt. And we know this. I think a lot of us know this at face value. But sugar is essentially a legal cocaine. I mean, it really is. It's as bad for you in many ways or worse because we put so much more of it into our body. It just doesn't have as acute of impact on on our body and the psychological impact isn't as bad or as immediate however the impact on our body is actually in some ways worse to our actual

internal structure certainly than like cocaine so you say cocaine you're like oh my god you're a drug addict well yeah fucks with your brain it fucks with your heart for sure but like sugar messes with everything it gets stuck in your joints it gets stuck with your brain. It fucks with your heart for sure. But like sugar messes with everything. It gets stuck in your joints. It gets stuck in your veins. It gets stuck in your capillaries. It gets stuck in all kinds of different places. And it just, it is not meant to be in our body. Certainly not in the form in which we ingest it. And, and when I drastically, drastically reduced the amount of sugar that I put in my body. That alone changed my whole life. I mean, that changed everything. So now I'm, you know, it's again,

80, 20, everything's 80, 20. You know, I went, I went really hardcore to begin with. I was probably like 99, zero. Like I literally, I took anything that wasn't like a blueberry. Blueberries were basically the only sugar that I was getting, which is a very soluble form of sugar that your body processes. Like I just do it. And I'm obviously I'm passionate about it, but like it changed my life. Like I gained mental focus, mental clarity. I could, I didn't need as much sleep. I could work out longer, um, joint pain, uh, body pain, energy levels, everything went into the positive. It was crazy. I mean, it is wild. I saw something and I'm going to get these wrong, but it was like in 1920 humans were ingesting the equivalent of like, you know, a pound of sugar. And now it's something

like a, in a year, in a year span. And now it's something like a in a year in a year span and now it's something like 130 pounds of sugar you know it's like that's why everyone's fat today yeah like how how did we like and we wonder why we have all these problems right because then people can't sleep they feel lethargic they can't work out right i mean the trickle-down effects are just are mind-boggling and you know but yeah i mean so i so again this has been i don't want to say this is like a life thing. Like I've always known these things. This was a jerk. I, this was a journey. When I say this was a journey, this was a mental journey that I went on to fix this about myself. And I've, and, and the cool thing about when you go on these type of deep journeys and really

take something on what even you're, you're always gonna have times when you fall off the wagon. And I found that when I get really stressed about certain things, when I'm really in moments where I feel out of control, and my willpower decreases, I will fall off the wagon. And by that, I mean, the sugar wagon. And, you know, your body starts craving these things. And it's crazy, because you can't get rid of the cravings. It's like, it's like, if you know, your body starts craving these things and it's crazy because you can't get rid of the cravings. It's like, it's like, um, if you've ever been addicted to nicotine. So I used to be, I used to do chew.

So when I was 17 years old, 16 years old, you know, I'm on the baseball team. One of my buddies like, Hey, do it. You, we all thought we were cool. We started doing you. Well, I did, I dipped from probably age 15 or 16 until my mid-20s yeah um and sugar that was the hardest thing i ever had to this day when i'm on a golf course my tongue will go into my lip i still think i still remember how amazing dips are. I mean, dips are amazing. They're the best. I mean, that's why people are like, oh, cigarettes are gross. No,

they're not. They're amazing. They're just terrible for you. You just couldn't, you know, they're just awful, but like, they're amazing. They make you feel amazing. Everything about a cigarette is amazing. It's just also killing you every time you smoke it. So, you know, it's like, you know, I, I, you know, so that was so hard to get off of until this. So forever, I will have that addiction in me. Sugar is even worse. Like sugar is, was harder to get off of than, than quitting dip. And I loved it. I mean, sugar.

And to this day, I still fight. I still, you're like, you know. Well, it's just because it's in everything. I mean, dude, like I've smoked, I've chewed. I mean, dude, I had to, you know, I'm three years sober from alcohol and Xanax, right? Like I get I get at like addiction. Like it is, you know, I've written about it because like the willpower, dude, like it is. Look, drinking was fun, man. i had a blast until it wasn't fun right like smoking cigarettes sure it's fun but it's disgusting and they're horrible for you yeah and it is a constant battle whether it's sugar alcohol food i mean you name it man it is but i'll tell you if you can get through to the other side like where you are with it now or where i am with my recovery like yeah opportunities are endless dude like it is unimaginable that like i used to choose the other side to now know where i'm at today and it doesn't you know i don't take that lightly because it also took a shit ton of

work to get here and to like be devoted to a recovery to improve my life. But like anything, whether it's sugar or not, like it takes work. And yeah, anyways, we could probably talk about this for like seven hours. And it's everything. And it plays into our, so, so what I, what I fell into, I started writing down and this is what I would tell myself over and over again. Your health is a competitive advantage in business. Because I struggled for a long time with when I stopped playing sports. I loved playing sports. I am a competitor. I love physical activity. I love

competing. And not just like, oh, I don't love don't love competing. Like, you know, I don't, I'm not like that, that a-hole at like the company party, you like can't get off the baggo competition. I like physical competition. I like baseball, softball, basketball. I like playing football. I loved, I loved these things. I loved them. It was like, it was like the ability to like, take the governor that we all have to operate with every day, right? Because we have to be reasonable human beings that get along with other fucking norms all day, right? Like, you know, I love this term normies. I don't know if you've heard this term. It's a derogatory term that refers to like everyday people who like, don't think about shit, they just kind of like go through life and and um and and it's and it's meant to be derogatory i can imagine and i kind of love it because i struggle with i never had a way to like refer to these people and i do struggle with normies because i that like i'm gonna let life be dictated to me mentality I have absolutely no way to relate to it zero I will always be in a situation of friction because I I refuse to have my life dictated now

in some ways you just can't stop it but in every way that I can control it I or or fight back against it I want to right I don't you't, you know, whatever. So, okay. Get into my point. You know, whatever. No, it's all good. I love this. I wrote down this phrase, your health is a competitive advantage in business, right? I just wrote this down. So I do a lot of writing. Your health is, and I wrote that and I'm like, that's true. Okay. How is that true? Well, so I went on this journey and I said, this will never happen to me again. I will never go to a conference and not absolutely be able to rock shit. And by rock shit, I don't mean party. I mean, be present, be focused, be energized.

Yeah. Two, three days, whatever is needed. You are there. You're attentive and intentional. So that was my goal. And I knew we were doing the conference the next year. 2018 was going to be in Cleveland. So I knew I had one year to get

ready. And that was a journey. So during that time period, I lost. And if you watch the opening video from one and the opening video from another, it's like two different humans. I lost 20, 24 pounds. Um, I went from 213 pounds down to a hundred and whatever, 24 pounds minus that is like one 90 something, one 89, somewhere in there. Um, which I don't necessarily want to be that, that, uh, light again, but, uh, but whatever, uh, I, you know, from, from the moment that we got to Cleveland to the moment we left, it was, I was felt like a million bucks. And I was like, this is the thing. The reason we do this isn't just to look good, but sure. Looking good, looking fit,

attracts people to you. People have more trust in you. People believe what you're saying. People wanna do business with people that have a healthy, attractive nature to them. And I don't mean that to be so superficial, but at the same time, I know I can outlast you motherfuckers. You fat, out of shape, sugar eating, drink all day,

pot smoking, cigarette smoking people who can't, not most of the people who are listening to this are not those people. So I'm not everyone listening. I'm not bashing you. If you listen to this show, then you probably are. You're crazy in some way. So you get what I'm saying. But like, I literally, when I sit down at a table with somebody or I'm in a conference with somebody and I see that they're overweight or out of shape. And I don't just mean like, like people carry their weight differently. I'm not just talking about pure weight. I'm, you know, understood. I'm going to outlast you. My brain is clearer than you. It is operating at a higher RPM than you like, that's what I say to myself, it may not be true. And that's not going to always be true in every

case. And I, you know, whatever. But But that's what what I said to myself is I'm not, I know I'm not the smartest guy. I'm not the most creative guy. I don't have the most connect. I don't know. But what I can do is make sure that when I walk into a room from a business perspective, my brain is firing at the maximum RPMs that this meat bucket can fucking fire at. And in that way, I can be the absolute best version of myself that I can be. And that has paid massive, massive dividends over the last five years. Yeah, my uncle told me when I was coming out of college

and I was, excuse me, getting into sales. Sales is a combat sport. He said, you have to be mentally and physically prepared. Right. And like, I'm sure you've heard that somewhere else. Like, but like, just that, like the baseline, like, it's so true getting back to what you're saying. It doesn't really matter what it is that we're competing at or what it is like for the conference, the business. Like I am certainly not the smartest in the room. I definitely don't have the, some intangibles, but what I do know is that like, I'm willing to outwork you and I will, and I, and it

might not even be the most efficient way, you know, but like at the end of the day, like if I can continue to believe in myself because of the other things in my environment, you know, my mental, physical, emotional ability, like, you know, I'm willing to take a bet on myself, right? Like much like you did a couple of years ago and I did a couple of years ago. And I mean, yeah, dude, it's. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, I, my buddies will make fun of me because I love, like, I love little slogans, right? I love these little cliche ditties. How you do one thing is how you do everything. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, I just, I love these little things, not because

I need them to be motivated, but to me, you could be telling yourself, ah, you know, geez, I, I'm just, I'm never going to be that. Or, you know, she's so much better at me than this, or they're, they have such a better advantage, or they have more money, or they have this big client, I would, you could be talking negative to yourself all day. And that's one way to go. Or you could be like, listening to Annie Frisella, and David Goggins, and Joe Rogan, and Jordan Peterson, and Cody Sanchez, who's a female, by the way, for all you that think that I was just mentioning men. And, and you can be listening to all these people that are inspirational and thoughtful and driven and like feeding your brain with that. And look, half of it's going to go in one ear and right out the other, but whatever

sticks is going to be way, way better than, than negativity, whining, entitlement, the sense of, you know, I deserve something you don't deserve. Actually, Andy Frisella said this the other day, and I know he's not the first one to say it, but I love Andy Frisella. He's from the Real AF podcast, owner of First Form. He said, you deserve exactly what you have. He said, the minute you realize that you deserve exactly what you have, your life will change. He said, but most people will never learn that lesson. He said, and that's, he goes a lot of,

he goes, most of the people that I run into who are in a place or consistently stay in a place that they're unhappy with is because they're never willing to admit that in that place that they don't like is is what they deserve at that moment based on the work they've done to lead up to that moment it doesn't mean you can't put yourself in another position and deserve something more in the future it just means in that moment based on all the cumulative of everything you've done, every decision you've made, every thought you've had to that moment, that is exactly what you deserve. And, and that's a really tough pill to swallow. But I think it's incredibly accurate. Yeah, I mean, you know, a

couple points on that is like, you certainly are who you surround yourself with the environment, I mentioned environment a minute ago. Like, is that a, do you, you know, are you in therapy? Are you reading books? What kind of podcasts are you listening to? Where do you live? Does that make you happy? Right? Like all of these different things I just wrote about on LinkedIn today, like all of these things that help us break habits, complacency built, like, and it gets to exactly what you just said. Like everything where you're at today is what you deserve. And like, and I was faced with that three years ago, I spent 90 days in rehab. Right. You know, like, I had a choice. Yeah, you know, like, I could, you know, like, I had a great job, I got into some bad habits, I was on some bad medicine that I ended up getting wildly addicted to, but the choice to get sober was only mine. Right. And then now I get to reap those benefits. And then the next, you know, next step in that evolution is what's next,

right? What does that look like? And the only one who's able to make that is me. Like no one's going to do that for me. Nobody forced me, you know, now certainly family members wanted me to go get help because I was an absolute maniac and I was ruining my life. Now I'm divorced and I burned a lot of bridges, but I now have the ability to reflect back upon that and make changes in my life in a way that can improve going forward. I think that that is so incredibly admirable to do that work. My dad had alcohol problems and he actually went to jail for them and made some bad decisions and had to go to jail for a long period for almost three years. And when he came out, I've told him this, the best thing he ever did for me as a father, all the things he did, he did one thing. He was he's been sober ever since he came out so everyone and and i was like you could have been that guy that goes back to the thing that you were because you were feeling pity for yourself because you know because when you when you come out i mean i don't care what anyone thinks about the jail system you come out of jail your

life is up, right? It is not pretty for any of these guys. And look, some of them deserve it more than others. All the things I'm not going to go down that path, but like, but like your life is in a rough spot. And mentally, these guys are in really tough spots. And then women too, you know, everyone, you come out, you're in a rough spot. And I, and I, you know, I'm, I'm assuming maybe some of that was similar with rehab,

right? So you come out and you got a choice. I can go back the way that I went and I can go pity party. And, you know, I, this shouldn't be me. And why does this happen to me? Could have done all that. I didn't, right. I mean, he may have said some of those things and felt some of those things, but he didn't

let his actions follow those thoughts. And he was sober and has been for 20, you know, 20, whatever, however many years it's been. Right. And, um, and I said to him, you know, maybe just a few years ago, I said, you know, of all the things you've done for me as a dad, not getting back into that life was the number one thing that you've done because who the fuck knows, maybe, maybe he's in jail forever. Maybe he's in a, in a, in a hole in the ground somewhere you know like and then how

much different is my life and my kid's life he's an incredible grandfather so like these are all the things we can change we can change and it you know i think that people you know one mistake these things don't have to ruin our lives they don't have to be who we are it's a it's a tough it's a tough thing and you know maybe this is a little heady for everyone who thought they were jumping on and gonna learn how to get lost runs easier. But like, you know, I, I just think that, you know, sometimes these things are important to talk about. I think that too often we gloss over the, the, the tough stuff, you know, the stuff that really, you know, I was, I was getting interviewed for a podcast the other day, this random podcast that asked me to be on for whatever reason.

And I shouldn't say random, like it was negative, just, you know, an insurance podcast. And the guy said, you know, what's the biggest challenge that you're working on right now? And I said, all the emotional bullshit that goes on up here in my coconut. That's the hard part. You know, I used to think the hard part. The hard, you know, I used to think the hard part was, was building the business. I'm building the business is the easy part. I, then I, then I said to myself, you know, the people are really the hard part, managing the people. That's the hard part. And people can be difficult. There's definitely a challenge. People

are tough. Um, but that's not really, that's not really the hardest part. The hardest part is all the conversations that happen in your brain every day. I'm not good enough. This isn't moving fast enough. I don't know what I'm doing. These people aren't going to like this. I'm going to have to answer for this. What are they going to think? This isn't working. We spent all't know. I don't know. You start freaking out and then you go to whatever your thing is, cookies, cakes, treats, uh, uh, uh, drugs, alcohol, sex, you know, whatever your thing is you cause you, cause it makes you feel good for a moment because what's going on in your head is so is, is, is, is crazy. And, and, um, that's the hardest part is keeping your shit together every day. I mean, the emotional, I'll call it emotional sobriety because that was what I learned about in rehab, right? Like that is getting sober, I'm going to say, was the easier part, the physical act of not drinking or doing drugs or smoking cigarettes or whatever. Yeah. or whatever, is the, ultimately becomes the easier part of the process. And that next step is, how do I live my life, right? In that next, you know, the, I mean, and even if we look at golf, right? Like, you know, the most important, the most important part are the, you know, the what,

eight inches between our ears, right? Because like, that's where we get caught whether it's any type of an addiction whether it's work whether it's you know hey i'm struggling i might get divorced my wife you know like this having kids i'm not a father but like so much of that comes down to what goes on up here yeah and it even comes back to just even the little you know kind of the little messages that you said you like, right? Because like that fills your head with the positivity and you don't have time for negativity. You don't have time for that in your life, right? Like I'm building a business.

I've got kids, right? Like I want to work out. I want to maintain my health. Like I don't have time for all that. So the things I want to be spending my time thinking about and ingesting man like i don't have time for that bullshit like yeah bring value and that doesn't mean that there's not time for just like kind of shooting the shit with people but it's like bring value and be be a companion on this journey and allow me to be better when i'm with you and you, like same thing here at lost run pro, right? Like it's, you know,

we have, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for my journey, you know, and someone gave me a chance to be here to help grow this company. And, you know, I don't take that for granted, right? Like, but I also have to be wildly on top of my stuff. I was just at a bachelor party in Charleston last week, 12 dudes out to like one 30 drink it, you know, like, what do you know what I mean? Like how to be on top of my game, man. Like, you know, I can't afford any missteps, but it was also like wildly enjoyable for me to connect with people on a, on a deeper level that I haven't seen in eight years. Yeah.

Anyways. Yeah. No, I mean, Hey, it's't seen in eight years. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, no, I mean, hey, this is all good stuff, man. I love it. I love this stuff. Yeah, this is the stuff that I think really, the more people that are successful that I meet in general

and take success in a wide range, the more I realize that it is rarely operations that destroys a business it's usually the shit that's going on in your head and you make bad decisions because you're feeling inadequate or you're feeling you're you're you you lack patience or willpower or you're afraid to ask for help, or you're, you're, you're unwilling to take a risk because what if so-and-so writes an article about you or, or somebody is asking a question or, or people don't agree with your move or, you know, I shouldn't have to justify dah, dah, dah.

You know what I mean? Like there's all these things that go on in our head that are very negative. And that's what derails the business. It's not the opera. The operational aspects of our business is just work. It's just you do it and it'll happen. You'll get there. But like, again, I guess there's stupid businesses, but we're talking in general, you know, generalities.

For the most part, this is the case that the issue is, can you keep your shit together? Which is incredibly difficult to do. So especially when the baseline is just negativity, like think like on on a larger scale for the population of the world. The baseline is I'm not good enough. Yeah. And we have to have conversations like this to talk about how to get to, I can do anything. That seems so backwards to me, that that is how we are ingrained in school. The reality shows that we pump through our minds, social media, right? And there's certainly enough channels, but you have to sift through all that other garbage to help learn and it isn't it odd that it's like not the other way around that like hey like everyone believes in themselves yeah you know no everyone starts out it seems like

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so i think that um this is gonna sound this may sound a little out there, but just bear with the thought process. So I listened to Joe Rogan a lot. I love Joe Rogan. I like, he got me into Graham Hancock. He got me into a couple other people. I don't know if you know who Graham Hancock is, but you want a rabbit hole. That's a rabbit hole that's a rabbit hole um so graham hancock just just quickly graham hancock believes or greenhawk's entire life's work is based around the fact that

this isn't the first human civilization that over the course of time we through uh major cataclysms uh quite specifically super volcanoes and asteroid or comet impacts, we have, our civilization has been set back multiple times. The most recent being 11,500 years ago during a period of time, which is called the Younger Gaius Impact Period, which is when one of the largest comets in history hit Greenland and the Arctic. And basically, his theory is that when those comments hit uh they

sent uh there's a there's a thousand year period of black dust from 12 000 years ago or uh uh 11 000 12 000 years ago to 11 000 somewhere in the time yeah sure there's a time about a thousand years there's black dust you go you dig down and you hit that time period in the soil and there's just black black dust and that black dust is very synonymous with asteroid impacts a lot of stuff and this is this at this point there's not really a lot of debate that that happened what the result to the human race is probably where some of it happened and And you know, you read in books, and they say, well, 6000 years ago, 5000 years ago, we were all hunter gatherers. Sin or whatever they were chasing. And then now all of a sudden, we're and he's like, Nah, no, that's not that's not the case. He's like, there's too many buildings that we've found now. There's too many artifacts that are way, way, way older, that are sophisticated, that have things like point to absolute true north. astronomy if they didn't have the ability to do advanced mathematics to calculate if they didn't have machines machines and air quotes uh to calculate these things and determine these

things there's absolutely no way that you could eyeball with the accuracy that that these structures have to these astral astra astrical um fucking butcher in that word astronomical uh uh uh things in the sky there's no way that they could do this right so okay so then he gets into a lot of like the human behavior stuff and and all this is really interesting and it took me down this rabbit hole into human behavior and and you think about it today and you think why are people in general um tend to skew negative and why does negativity sell so much and i think in large part and this is going to sound terrible. And I please, please take this for not what I actually think should be reality. But what I think is part of the case is that the people who lived every day from a

negative standpoint, who are lethargic, who weren't workers, who weren't willing to step up, they got cut out of the herd really, really quickly up until really, really recently. So today you can kind of be a fat non-value adding bump on a log, sitting on a couch, ordering DoorDash, you know, playing video games all day and you can survive, right? You can survive in today's environment being that thing, right? Just not giving back to a community, sitting there, living in negativity. It's terrible. I don't wish that on them. It's that, but you can do that today, where you were forced in not too many generations before us, three, four generations, you could not live that life. You couldn't survive that. The community wouldn't abide it. There weren't mechanisms that allow you to do it. And you were forced to be pushed out into the world and to do

work. It didn't mean you were going to be happy. It didn't mean you were going to be incredibly successful, but the world forced you out into it to engage with it. You are forced to engage with the world. And in doing so, you would find some way of adding value of being part of a community. And I think it led to purpose and meaning, even if it's not what you initially intended. I think unfortunately our world today allows you to live a meaningless life. And again, I don't think anyone listening to this because you wouldn't waste your time on a show like mine

because of how crazy the stuff I talk about is. You would not waste your time on this show if that's you. So I don't think I'm talking to those people. But I do think a big part of our problem in society is that we have can achieve. It is a derivative feeling from finding purpose and meaning in either a moment or an activity or a relationship, right? You find meaning and purpose, and as a derivative, you get happiness from like, you know, playing a video game or maybe you do, but it's momentary. So I think that I think unfortunately, what we're experiencing is this time period where people are able to, to be bumps on logs and to, you know, and to live with diabetes and to live with these diabetes of their own creation, not diabetes that they, you know, inherit or get whatever. And like, and it's, it's, I think that this is what we have to fight. If we want to be successful. One, I think we have to, we have to be positive value driven people who engage and share with the world. People ask me all the time. Why do you post those stupid workout videos? One I'm single.

And it's absolutely a thirst trap because single women love that shit. And two, trap because single women love that shit and two um and two because i want how many how many dms are you getting on those come on enough i mean it's got great metrics they are high bar let's go yeah i wouldn't advocate divorce but it's not all bad let's just put it out um too funny but the other part is i think if you have and none of us are perfect right so if you have some positivity some message that you can share some example that you can put out into the world that's positive i think you should do that yeah i think that as a as a i think it's if you if you wake up in the morning and you feel a sense of positivity and purpose and meaning i don't you know there's

there's almost a sense of obligation to put that back out in the world to say hey this could be mean nothing to you or maybe you're having a shitty day and you see me deadlift something maybe it makes you go you know what fuck Hanley I'm going to the gym you know like screw him I'm gonna go to the gym and lift something and now you just had a good day you got some endorphins going and you're gonna have better sex tonight with whoever whichever you choose to do that with so there it is so loss loss runs, bro. That was, dude, I love it, man. Because like, look, like this is the stuff I'm passionate about because like, I almost like, you know, quite honestly, dude, like I probably don't make it through the pandemic at the rate I was drinking. You know, like, I don't know that

obviously I'm here today, but you know, it got dark, dude, I was not in a great place. And so like my life today, I owe everything to that decision I made almost three and a half years ago. And so to be able to talk about it on a podcast and be, you know, have it be meaningful, like, cause this is my purpose. And certainly, you know, my work plays a big role in that. The environment I live in plays a big role in that, like who I surround myself with. But at the end of the day, like I'm here because of that decision. And I chose not to be lazy. I chose to bet on myself. I chose to kick the negative. Now I certainly had push to go there because my wife at the time was kicking me out of the house anyways.

But you know what I mean? Like it just is all of this stuff for me is exactly what I love talking about. And it gives me a platform to give back, talk. You know, I get a chance to talk to high school kids now because of it and I talk about addiction because like there are school programs now that are bringing people like me in to talk about addiction because addiction touches everybody in a different way a family member a sibling an uncle an aunt kids in high school nowadays they're they literally can they have access to fentanyl like on the streets in Seattle you know so it's just in other cities, of course, but like it's around. And so being here today to be able to talk about it, to talk about Lost Run Pro, man, I could do this for hours.

Yeah, well, I'm glad that you're here. So so let's so we just we just gave them 40 minutes of whatever, however long we've been talking about of motivational speaking. Let's talk about the business. Let's talk about what's going on. So you and I, you know, we first connected, what, two years ago? Two years ago. Two years ago from Brendan and then Brendan Smith, I think,

was I think that's how we got connected. So yeah, however it was, you know, I'm big fan. We use the tool. We pay for the tool. We love it. My premier guys, everyone knows who most people are listening. No, we have two segments of our business. We have an inbound side that does a lot of small stuff, not as much necessary to have

lost runs there. But then we have a premier side, which is very much looks like what a, what a classic middle market, uh, commercial department would look like. And those guys love it. I mean, uh, one producer in particular, who's a, who's a big time evangelist internal, um, you know, and we're always trying to build different tools into our, you know, into how we work to be more efficient. So, so talk a little bit about, let's go full, like a little bit full commercial here for a second, give people the, the, the 411 on what you're doing. And then I want to talk a little bit about what you're seeing and the growth you've had in the last two years and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I mean, the tool itself couldn't be better positioned for the environment we're in, you know, like we're certainly in a very challenging

marketplace, you know, the market's hard. And everybody, especially your premier agents that we're talking about in that middle market, everyone needs loss runs, right? So in that commercial space, we feel like we are at a distinct advantage because our system is designed to simply help producers get loss runs faster for a very inefficient or sorry, a very cost effective price point. You know, it's $29 a month. It's $300 for the year. And you can sign up and you can go out and get loss runs that will allow you to get a spot at the table to quote that book of business. And for some, you know, for a lot of the listeners, like I'm sure they've been in the business a long time, you know, it wasn't anything that couldn't

be done, but what we've done is just taken a process much like a lot of automated tools and just, we've simply made it better and easier to access for agents and agencies across the country. And you guys being one of them and you've benefited from it almost instantly yeah it's kind of like dummy proof loss runs basically you know because because salespeople are it is they're they're brilliant but they're dummies at the same exact time i've never met like like professional salespeople you talk to them and like oh my god that guy's brilliant and then they can like barely tie their own shoes and you're like how does it work and it's like all like,

they've over-indexed all their intelligence in like this one area. And then in other areas, they're like, ah, I don't even know. There's a reason I'm not an engineer. There's a reason I'm in sales, right? Like, cause I can sell one product at a time. That's it. Yeah. So it's, so, you know, so what I've, you know, really my philosophy is okay, if we can, let's get them doing the thing that makes them that they're brilliant at, that they're good at, that they're driven to do, and then make the other parts easy. So don't have to think about it, because the more salespeople have to think, the less they're selling. And, and to me, you know, I know, the first time you showed it to me, I was like, this is a no brainer, you know, sign us up. Like this, this makes less sense. So, so, you know, maybe talk people through, I think, you know, the classic kind of pushback is going to be, well, my agency management system helps me with this, or, well,

you know, we have a PDF that we send that, you know, does this or this, or, you know, we just use Adobe Acrobat to slap a new whatever on there. Like, like, well, you know, kind of give me the, what's the difference? Why is it? Yeah. Let's, let's, let's even go back one step further for loss run pro, you know, the, the, the concept was originally built with the idea of new business and prospecting only. And so that was kind of the first solution, right? We run in at producers run into the idea that, Hey, I want to quote this book of business. I can't get loss runs. They go to the insured. The current workflow was the insured had to go to their incumbent. They had to call a carrier.

They had to fax a page back to the prospecting broker, like very clunky. That's what we tried to attack first. The second solution that I don't even think a lot of people think about is their internal workflow for requesting loss runs on their current accounts. And so what we built was a way for account managers, claims teams to basically proactively schedule their loss run requests for accounts they control throughout a year, which gives them the ability to be far more proactive and run more maybe risk analysis halfway through the year on customers every six months, every quarter. Because we found is that a lot of agencies had workflows where Tim is in claims and Tim needs to get loss runs 150 days out from renewal, 90 days out and 45 days. Tim's busy. What happens is Tim sends one email 45 days out. They get caught with a huge loss coming down the pipe.

Now they're scrambling, right? So our goal was to automate not only those emails that are going out, but then also to allow agencies to be far more proactive and schedule them across, you know, a year or a couple of years out. So kind of two solution points there. Yeah. I know one of the things that one of my guys really likes is that he can go in and like check the status of where they're at, you know? So, cause, cause a lot of times, at least the old school way of setting loss runs, it was like, you were sending it out into the ether, right? Like you package this thing up and off it went and you're just like, I hope someone at the carrier gets it. I hope someone processes it and I hope they send it back to me someday, you know? And like, yeah, you can call and check in, but like some carriers

will get back to you in a couple of days. Some carriers will get back to you in a couple of weeks. Some carriers will get back in a couple of months. And how the hell do you know? And how do you keep track of it? And so like that feature is really nice too, because now you can actually say like, all right, this one, okay, we got this one back. Great. That's good. This one we're still waiting on here. And it gives you that ability in a snap to know exactly where, you know, certain requests are and if you need to follow up or what have you. Well, and just back to kind of your initial question earlier on was just like the advantage of it is, you know, our system on that new business is allowing you guys, you know, maybe it's an account manager tool at your agency. It's a

producer tool. You can, you basically can create up to eight letters in one sitting. You email them to the prospect. The prospect can e-sign from their phone, their tablet on the road, right? Once they sign, those letters are instantly then sent to the carrier. And so the advantage of that is not only is it automating the process from an agency side with trackability and in our program, but then it gives your prospect a one-click button that allows them to access their loss runs directly from the carriers. Our system instantly sends it to Travelers, Hartford, Cincinnati, AmWins, RT. And most importantly, it avoids that awkward conversation from that prospect with their incumbent. And that's what people love. Additionally, of course, we also are super successful, right?

It certainly works and it automates a process, but then it becomes how good does it work? Now, we are currently around 65, 66% of all loss runs are being processed within three business days. So substantially faster. Does that happen every time? No. David Crother's team, they processed one the other day. Of course, it didn't work right. And then he's texting me and he's like, it works 60% of the time if it works every time. And it's just like, of course it doesn't work. But the idea is, is that we are finding success. The tool works. It adds a significant value from an agency level to streamline a workflow that was otherwise very clunky.

And it gives prospects the ability to avoid talking to their incumbent broker before they even maybe want to move the business, but it gives the agent an ability to get lost runs and at least have a seat at the table. What is like the look or makeup of an agency that's usually thinking about the tool? And I know it can be anyone who does this kind of work, but like, who are the agents that when you're like, when they buy from you, you're like, I know these guys are going to be successful. Like I know they're going to like, what is the, what does that agency profile look like? Yeah. I mean, we have everybody, right?

We have mom and pops from farmers all the way up to hub, USI, you know, so large agencies, but our bread and butter are kind of those five to 10 employees. You know, they've got three producers, two account managers, two CSRs, and they are actively growing their commercial business. Right. And the reason that they are, um, and the reason that they are doing this is because they are writing so much commercial, right now we've also priced it to where it doesn't have, you don't have to write a ton of commercial to make this, you know this a significant value add and to find ROI. But people who are writing commercial, 60% of their business is commercial, they're going to be users and

they're going to find instant value. Now, the flip side of that is also, if you're writing commercial, and this might rub people the wrong way, but it's $300 a year. That's a $2,500 policy, right? If you're writing, if you say you write commercial and you can't close a $2,500 account over the course of a 12-year span, to pay for that, like, we've got other, you know, we've got probably other things that we need to discuss or prioritize in terms of, like, technology or onboarding. Yeah. I mean, I mean, to me, you're a hundred percent right. It's a, if you're writing commercial

and you're writing commercial of any substantial size that requires loss runs, this is a no brainer. Like it's literally a no brainer. It's a easy onboard. It's like a 20 minute onboard. It's all right in front of you. And guys, so, you know, I don't, I don't own any stock in the company. They're not sponsors. I just believe in the product and I like Brennan and I like, I like what they're doing. I like the growth. I like to focus on commercial, which is obviously one of our focus.

And we're a paying, we're paying clients. So, you know, I don't want you guys to think that this is like a, me, you know, everyone likes to, anytime I bring someone on and I'm like supportive of the business, they think I'm like shilling for them. And I'm like, you know, that's not, I mean, we could talk crypto if, if we need to, you know, we can go back to motivational. Yeah. We can talk some crypto or whatever we need to pump, you know, if that's what people want. No, no, that's usually not what they want. Um, they, uh, no, they, they, uh, um, I, but, you know, I just say that to say like, you know, there, there's a lot there. So, you know, how, where, where do people usually work it into the process? Like one of the things that, that we're working

on at Rogue right now is we're working on all our SOPs where we're documenting everything that we do and then creating these kinds of living documents where as we go, if we change a part of the process, we can insert and remove and track what we used to do. And, you know, and, and we're not using any sophisticated, we're just using like Google docs or whatever, but like we have these SOPs. So we were, we were actually talking the other day about a couple of different tools that

we have lost from probing one of them, where in that process do we want to make the checkbox of get the loss runs? Like, where does that fit? And so where are you seeing that fit where, you know, just kind of tactically, and I like to do this because it helps everyone listening at home who may be struggling with these things, see like in their mind where it fits in, where they actually log into the tool and do the work. Yeah. I mean, I think probably the best question I usually ask people is what they Yeah. I mean, I think probably the best question I usually ask people is what they're, I mean, I just start with asking, right? Like, what is your current workflow look like and who's in charge of this now? Every agency is different

based upon their size and current workflow. But what we find is that this is primarily a producer CSR type role that people are utilizing Loss Run Pro for. However, we also have a ton of producers. It's $300. Producers like, you know, hey, they're out at a business meeting, Ryan, you and I are having lunch. I know I'm going to need Lost Runs. I can do this from my phone and send it to you instantly. That way it's trackable in that system like you were talking about. But most of the time, also what I start with is where are they at in their tech stack, right? Like where is an agency? Are they at the forefront of automation and technology or are we starting with Loss Run Pro? And I usually try to answer that question or ask that question because I have kind of two different customers, right?

We have customers who are like at the far end of the spectrum, they're implementing, they're automating, and they're bringing technology in and they're rebuilding their tech stacks. The other ones are like, I got a fax number, you know, and it's like, okay, we got, you know, like, but that's also why we made this going back to salespeople, right? This is a very simple tool. It's web-based. You can log in, you can get trained and use it within five minutes. So an account manager without two hours, five hours, a week of onboarding can use this instantly. And it doesn't need to be this massive underhaul that some other tech programs require. And so it's been a great tool from that standpoint that we hit kind of both of those. You don't need to be the most technologically advanced agency to

implement. And it's easy to understand from an account manager, CSR type role as well. Yeah. One of the things that I've started to use as a heuristic for my tech decisions is how easy is it to train my team on the tool? Totally. If I do a demo and I don't think that it's going to be easy to train people on, it is a major, major black mark on whether or not I'm going to use that tool. Because in today's day and age, there's so many tools that exist that we need, you know, I'm not saying just to be fluffy. Like there's a lot of tools that we need to operate our business. And, you know, if it takes, if it, if I, if I got to take a day or a week or a series of trainings to get someone trained up, your tool is way too complex

or the UX sucks. And, and it's not going to be worth it because I'm going to have to spend, you know, X amount of time on the backend with all the follow-up questions. And I don't understand this. And we can get retrained on this and that stuff is an absolute like efficiency and effectiveness killer in your business. So, um, so, so yeah, I, I, I couldn't agree more. And I think that, uh, so one question I had is, do you guys have like, um, any integrations where people can push and pull data in and out or like, so they're not no duplicate entry or anything like that? Yeah, we don't, we don't have anything like that, you know,

kind of back to your also kind of first thing about just like where we're at as a company. We, you know, we're two and a half years old in terms of live to retail agencies. We don't have any current integrations. We are certainly working towards that, but in order to get there, we had to grow. And in under two and a half years, we have just under 2,500 agencies already signed up. So we are just absolutely rocking and rolling. But what that's also given us, and this will give you more kind of roadmap type ideas, is it has allowed us to now understand what does downstream look like, the retail agents, right?

And how do we improve that? How do we improve integrations, APIs with AMS systems so there isn't dual entries? But then also what it's given us is it's given us crazy insight upstream to carriers, wholesalers, brokers, and what that process of fulfilling loss runs looks like. And so that for us in the next 12 to 18 months is going to be super, super fun because so many of these carriers that we are working with, if we turn around now and we're talking to travelers again, hey, we're sending you guys 5,000 requests a month. That's not a ton, but at least it gives us enough data to say how often, how frequently, where the loss is coming from, how long does it take to get

returned? And then we turn to travelers and we say, why is it taking so long to get processed, right? Oh, it's being read in an email from this person. Then it gets sent overseas. Then it gets pulled. Then it gets sent back. It gets validated and then released. That's just as clunky on the retail side, right? So the process of the whole life cycle of loss runs, the fast that like, as we've grown and as quickly as we've grown, which has been super fun, it's also given us not only the downward, like we can solve this pain point to agencies and producers and account managers, but then it's given us a, a wider picture on that carrier broker wholesaler side as well. And that will be kind of some of our targets as to what we're hoping to kind of tackle introduce in the coming year. Dude, I think it's awesome. I, uh, I think what you're doing is incredible.

I think the tool is, is, uh, I think to me, it's a, it's a no brainer like necessary tool for everybody who is doing commercial insurance. This is something you got to have in the price point. Like you said, I mean, the price point is so reasonable that, you know, even if you process a couple dozen loss runs a year, just, just, just to have that in there and to have, to make it so systematic. And so you're not missing anything and you never look like a, like a jerk, you know, getting to, getting to the point where you're looking to quote something and you're like, you know, there's nothing worse there's nothing worse than you know your your your prospect emailing you hey do you have anything

for me yet you're going well i'm still waiting on loss runs you know right right they don't they don't know the carrier is this or that all they know is you're not doing what i wanted you to do and it to me the the 300 bucks or whatever the hell it is, it is more, it pays for itself just in doing a few loss runs. So I couldn't be, I couldn't be happier for you guys' success. I love to see you all over LinkedIn. I see the, I see what you're doing. I think it's tremendous. If people are listening to this and they're like, you know what? I've been thinking about it for a while. I'm just, it's time to jump in. It's time to get this on the books and to get this integrated in my agency.

Where do they learn more about Lost Room Pro? And then where do they connect with you personally so they can, you know, do that thing? Yeah, yeah. No, I appreciate it. I appreciate you, Ryan, giving me, you know, the platform today to, you know, I mean, for me, it's been fun, right?

Like the other part of this is I've been new to the insurance industry, right? This was my first job. I'm having to learn drinking from a fire hose. And I get to learn from people like you. And you and like a bunch of other people have given me a platform and helped me learn because, you know, like you said, you got to ask questions, right? You got, you can't be afraid.

And so certainly thank you for the opportunity. Listeners, you can find us lossrunpro.com. You can find us on LinkedIn, Instagram, Twitter. We're on all of those under at lossrunpro. You can find me on LinkedIn. That's probably the easiest way. Shoot me a DM. I'm on there, Brendan Corr,

or my email bcorr, C-O-R-R, at lossrunpro.com. I love it, bro. Dude, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you putting up with all the personal development talk in the first 40 minutes of the show. But I love this stuff. Sometimes you just come in hot and you let it fly. So it's so good.

It was great. I hope people enjoyed it. You know, it's a little different. We talked business at the end, but, you know, like we said, this is the real stuff, man. This is who we are as individuals. So it was a pleasure, man. All right, let's get out of here. All right, see you.

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