The Ryan Hanley Show - Why Every Entrepreneur Needs to Be Broken Once

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

My TEDX Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nWsxwgO83A Join our community of fearless leaders in search of unreasonable outcomes... Want to become a FEARLESS entrepreneur and leader? Go here: https://books.ryanhanley.com Watch on YouTube: https://link.ryanhanley.com/youtube Master of the Close - Learn how to scale your sales process, fast: https://link.ryanhanley.com/masteroftheclose Selah Hirsch Website: https://expressmybrand.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/expressmybrand/ 2024 brought me to my knees. After a year of burnout, broken systems, and personal wake-up calls, I realized something most people never talk about: Sometimes, getting your ass kicked is the only way forward. In this raw and honest conversation with Selah Hirsch, I unpack the hard reset that forced me to rethink everything—from how I lead, to how I sell, to how I live. We talk about: 🔥 The silent power of pruning seasons🔥 Why “mindset” isn’t enough🔥 Launching Master the Close after sitting on it for YEARS🔥 The true meaning of fulfillment vs. success🔥 Why entrepreneurs need to stop chasing and start aligning Whether you’re in a rough season or just came out of one, this episode will meet you where you are. Check Out Our Sponsors OpusClip: #1 AI video clipping and editing tool: https://link.ryanhanley.com/opus Riverside: HD Podcast & Video Software | Free Recording & Editing: https://link.ryanhanley.com/riverside Shortform - The World's Best Book Summaries: https://link.ryanhanley.com/shortform Taplio - Grow Your Personal Brand On LinkedIn: https://link.ryanhanley.com/taplio Kit: Email-First Operating System for Creators (formerly ConvertKit): https://link.ryanhanley.com/kit

Hey guys, the end of this video is a little awkward. We didn't realize it at the time, but the last like five or six minutes of Sayla's audio cuts out and we don't have video or audio. So the ending will be a little abrupt, but there is an incredible amount of value in this conversation and we're gonna have Sayla back on the show because as we mentioned, we didn't even get to the topic that I really wanted to address with Salah which is personal branding in particular so enjoy this episode it is high-powered is absolutely incredible Salah is wonderful she's one of my favorite people in the world and I'm so incredibly excited to share her with you guys so enjoy the show I apologize for

the awkward ending and And as always, I love you. In a crude laboratory in the basement of his home. We started the conversation and then we got like into life stuff So we get to almost the end and he's like, do you have a couple extra minutes? He's like, I really want to know about Master of the Clothes because I'm interested in how we can roll it out. And I was like, ah, hopefully you had a little extra time after. You know, because I was like, shit. It's all good.

It's all good. Well, power talk. But that's great that he's into Master of the Clothes. I'm so proud of you for how you rolled that out. Can you believe that just launched the last few months ago? You worked on that for so long and you sat on that. You sat on that as a silent sleeper. I remember when I finally found that thing, I was like, Ryan, what is this thing? And you were like, oh, it's just like this incredible proprietary sales process I developed. It's just sitting over here off to the side that could help millions of people. And then look at you like finally giving it to the world this year.

I love it. Cheers to 2025. Yeah. 2025 has already been a much better year than 2024. 2020. I'm glad that I'm glad 2024 happened because it was a good, it was a good life lesson on, you know, like I thought I had a lot of the mindset stuff figured out. Like I thought I had a lot of it figured out and it figured out in air quotes, right? But 2024 kicked me on my ass and you know, I mean we talked every week for how long and coming out of it and starting to kind of find my way again and prioritize properly and you know that kind of stuff. It was a good lesson that if you don't continue to follow the path,

how easy it is to fall off the path and how important things like discipline, commitment, surrounding yourself with good people, like those kinds of things, how important they are because when you detach yourself from those things, you lose the way really quick. Well, you had to fight to stay on that path too because it was one thing to stay on it. It's another thing to realize you're in a pruning season. I mean, I think that's what we talked about so many times is it was, what do I hold on to? What do I let go of here? And I watched you literally like separate Siamese twins, you know, with your bare knuckle fingers of this is what I wanted to, but this

is now what I feel like I need to hold on to and vice versa. Look at this new thing now that is emerging in the space. And so 24 was shaping, it was pruning, it felt hard in our conversations. But I truly believe even how you're expressing where you are at this moment, that it was a much needed season just to prepare the ground for areas that you can really thrive in and that are ultimately like deep reflections of you, your brand, your story, and the work that you want to bring into the world. Yeah. It's funny, like, I almost feel like we need to get our ass kicked once in a while.

Like every once in a while. Maybe like once a decade. Maybe like once a decade, just get your ass to you, you know, just to like remind yourself of one, like you're not going to die. You know what I mean? Like you're gonna be okay. And two, that that like today, I feel very, very fulfilled. Getting mass I mean, and you were so instrumental in this, like getting master the closeout, getting the TED talk done, like those two things in particular,

like reframing what I wanted to be, how I wanted to how I wanted to show up in the world. Like it, I needed the pain of 2024 to today be able to sit here and feel very confident in what I'm doing every day, how I live my life, what I want out of my life. Like, I think that I needed that reset. I mean, it sucked. There's a big part of me that wished that, you know, it didn't happen.

But I think at the same time, if you can continue through it, and you were instrumental in that, it really, you can come out the other side a much, I think, much more satisfied person. I think what I'm trying to cultivate in my life today is satisfaction is the right word, fulfillment, right? How do I operate each day from a sense of fulfillment? And fulfillment, I think some people misunderstand fulfillment in so much as like,

they think it means conclusion, right? Just getting through the day. Think, here's a good example. And we talked about this a couple times, like, and you actually even said this to me one time, and it was a really good reminder. I can't remember when you said it, but I had a shitty week or whatever,

but I got like one thing done. And you were like, but I had a shitty, shitty week or whatever. And, but I got like one thing done and you were like, that's the win. Like, all right, last week sucked. Yeah. But you got this one thing done. And yeah, was it your most productive week ever? No, you kind of did this and you chased this rabbit and blah, blah, but you did get this one thing done

and that's the win. So, okay. It is. Yup. That's, that's what it is. And, and, and I think, so that's the way. So okay, it is. Yep, that's that's what it is. And I think so that's I try to operate today with like, okay, you don't have to optimize every minute of your day. You don't have to have the perfect morning routine every day. You don't have to work out every single day. Like it just life happens, right? Sometimes, sometimes the win is

being able to log out at 3 p.m., pick up your kids from school, take them to the baseball game, and maybe you didn't get as much work done as I would have liked, but I spent eight quality hours with my kids, watched them play sports or whatever, and got to hang out with them and have a great evening. And that's a win. That's a great day. I think especially for people that are driven, that can be a particularly tough lesson.

I think we need some rocky background music right now because I feel like every entrepreneur who's listening to this is like, this is my life right here. I love how you said you need to get it beat up every now and then because that's what it feels like. It feels like a constant juggling act, juggling priorities, focus, deadlines, cashflow, system scalable growth. I mean, it's like literally like a storm, a perfect storm at all times, especially if this is a business owner or an entrepreneur. And you can relate to that.

I mean, the success that you've had with Rogue Risk, with leading innovative companies like you do with developing products, like Salesforce teams. There's so much that you realize is a constant pressure point. And to your point, I do believe that resilience is what we're talking about because you've come through this stronger. And that's why I'm like, we need some pump up rocking music here. I feel like I've been able to kind of be like Mick here on the sides a little bit like, hey, what's going on?

Okay, send you back out there. You know, come on, let's dial back up. Let's get our focus in now. Get back into the ring a little bit. And everyone needs something like that. They need someone in their life where they can be like, hold on, I'm actually winning, but this match is still going here a little bit, you know?

And to your point, the win may be sometimes just surviving a little bit. I don't want to get too far into the boxing metaphor here, but I think at the end of the day, like you said, it's defining the win a little bit. And sometimes it's holding space, staying the course, trusting the game plan. Other times it's probably not being afraid to take the risk. I think that's something I've watched you do is once you've acknowledged that you need to make a pivot or a change, you're like, let's go, let's jump here. And then equally, and this is what I love that you brought out in your TEDx talk, is that you are not afraid to be vulnerable and realize that what is the success I'm chasing,

you know, and identifying it? Is it actually the success that defines me? Am I defining it or am I letting status and the perceptions of society and what I think I should be doing and the expectations of others really model that success. At the end of the day, that is the unfulfilled life that you're talking about. I love this quote that you said. I listened so many times to your talk, but I got to tell you, the quote that you talked

about the every day, millions of people go to jobs that they hate and pursue the goals that they didn't choose because that's what they thought that they were supposed to do, I think rings so true because all of us what they thought that they were supposed to do. I think rings so true because all of us can relate to that on one way or another. We can be so caught up drinking our own Kool-Aid or what we feel like our social media feed has fed us or what we see the success of another business owner or another colleague doing that we can realize we are chasing shiny objects all day long and at the end of the day, we're going to fall off a cliff. We've got to learn to do this better and do this

right. I love how your story holds the space for both the ambition and the honesty to define success at a more authentic point. Yeah. I, you know, when we've talked about it so many times, like, the biggest unfulfilled moments in my life have been those moments when it was like, I should be this, or people expect me to be this, or my boss thinks that I should be doing this even though I know that's not what we need. These moments where you allow others to dictate your future.

And this is one of the lessons that I'm trying to teach my kids as early as I possibly can, because I didn't learn these lessons until my 30s. And that's fine, that's my journey. And I actually was just talking to him the other day because new baseball season, and again, people probably get bored of me talking about my kids in their baseball career, but I think it's a really, it's a good microcosm for life.

Sports are, I think, a very good microcosm for life. And I oftentimes get a little frustrated when people are like, oh, not another sports analogy. It's like, I'm sorry, sports, you can't hide in sports. What I love early about sports, or about anything competitive, it doesn't have to be like a kind of baseball or whatever, it could be anything competitive, is that especially early in life, you can't hide. If you're just playing video games, if you're just doing school, and not that I don't necessarily have a problem with video

games and you know, I'm not a big fan of public education in our country, but I think that schools can be good. You can hide in those places. You can kind of not truly test yourself, but in particularly in sports that have an individual aspect to them like baseball, if you're the pitcher or you're the hitter or there's a ground ball hit to you or something like that, you can't hide. You either make the play or you don't. You either make the play or you don't you either hit the baseball or you don't you throw the pitch that you

need to throw or you don't and everybody sees it and there's no hiding and That's scary as hell and and and and what's been interesting and this is where I want to where just this comment is both of my kids Really love baseball. They both play at a fairly high competitive level. They both play on their respective travel teams for their ages and they both have started the season struggling, hitting this year. They're just you know off to a slow start and you know they both have been frustrated and I should be doing this and you know I should be higher in the

lineup and you know and these are common frustrations have been frustrated and I should be doing this and you know, I should be hiring the lineup and you know, and these are common frustrations that people have and I just said to them like You know, I I do these little I'm sure that they're gonna Have lots of therapy bills later in life because of these monologues that I give them while we're driving but um, I said to them I said guys like like No one gets to dictate your future, but you, it's not your coach doesn't get to dictate your future. I don't get to dictate your future.

Your mother doesn't get to take it. No one dictates your future. Good. If you want to be a better hitter, if that's important to you, and it doesn't matter to me if it's important to you or not. Right. And I've said this to a million times, like I played baseball. I love coaching you guys in baseball because I played and I love the sport.

But if you said you wanted to be tennis players or golfers or ballerinas, I would be there with you. Like, I honestly don't give a shit. I but I said you've both chosen this sport. Okay. And you're struggling at this one particular skill. Okay. If you want to be better, the only way for you to get better is you have to decide that you want to be better and figuring the fuck out. Like go figure it out. Right? Like I will help you. I will take you to hitting lessons. We can work on the side as much as you want. I mean, for

a baseball dad, there is nothing that they want more in life for their kid to ask them to help them. Right? It's just like, you know, and I but I said to them, I go, guys, like right now you're letting where you're hitting in the lineup or the umpire or, you know, you hit three balls at a short stop and he made all three plays and why, you know, why was he standing there? You know, whatever, all these things that young kids say about the sport. And I was like, you're letting these, these external things dictate your future to you.

Like did you approach that at bat? And this goes for anything go for a talk, it can go for being a leader, it can go for a sales call, whatever. Did you approach that moment? With the right mindset? Did you approach it with 100% of yourself? Were you focused? And if you were the outcome doesn't can matter. It doesn't matter, the outcome doesn't can matter. It doesn't matter. The outcome doesn't matter because you did everything

you had to do, right? Everything else will figure itself out. And maybe the coaches wants to have his kid and his kid's friends hitting one through five and you hit six and that frustrates you and you can't crack. That's fine. Hit 500 from the six lot, right?

Like why are you letting an external factor dictate how you feel about yourself? And no one's ever perfect with that. But it's like that lesson to me, that is like the most important thing and it's why, because I've had a lot of people ask me, and we even talked about it. You asked me this question.

Why this topic for this talk? Yeah. And it was, I honestly believe that, and everyone who listens to the show knows that Christian, I honestly believe God put us on this earth and it's to work towards becoming the best version of ourselves. That's why God put us on this earth and it's to to to work towards becoming the best version of ourselves. That's why he put us here.

He put us here for the journey for the effort for the struggle. Like I literally the call I had and I know I'm supposed to be interviewing you but I'm doing all the talking. Guys, you know, this is what sailor does to me. She gets me wound up. I love it. I just let you go. Keep going. For you too. I promise. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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And I said, the reason is because you didn't turn around and go back to the car. You could have turned around and gone back to the car and laid the seat down and put yourself in a comfortable position, but you didn't. You kept walking forward. You knew the pews in that church weren't gonna be comfortable for your back. You kept walking forward.

And so the payoff to that was, right, your pain got reduced. Now, it didn't go away, right, it was still there, but it wasn't screaming because you passed the test, right? You didn't give up. And I think that's such an important thing. Like, no one would have questioned you going back to the car, laying down and saying, my back just hurt too bad. No one would have questioned that. But you kept moving forward. And I think that's what we're here to do. Well, I think that, let's unpack that for a second further.

Cause you talked about that in your TED talk with that first point you brought up, which was reframing fear as the catalyst for action. And I think that that's what you're talking about here is you're realizing that we've got to strip back, you know strip back to our core what is driving us and reframing success. I think the analogy that you shared, the story you just shared with your sons in baseball is a great example because again, we're looking at success through the lens of all the other factors in our lives that are telling us what the measure is, but that measure is such a

fake. It's such a trap. And I think that that is why I love when we were working on your talk and you were like, Sayla, I've got this idea of the status trap. And there's just such a word. That's a gripping thought. I've asked myself, where have I been trapped in my life? I'm a person who would be afraid to be trapped in something. I'm the person who likes the aisle seat on the airplane. I'm like, I don't want to be next to the window and not able to jump out and get something

when I want to and need to. I don't want to be reliant on somebody. I don't want to be stuck in an elevator. I don't want to be stuck with slow drivers. In fact, it's so funny. I got to tell you, the other day I was driving my kids to school and we were driving past this Catholic private school. It's kind of on our way to the kids school and there was this crosswalk and with this guy we know

He was riding his golf cart across the street from his subdivision dropping up his kids at this Catholic school And there's like a little cart path and so he was able to take his golf cart And here I am and like my minivan with all of our kids right and my kids are like mom Don't hit him with the van I was like what would make you think I would hit this man on this golf cart with our car? And then I realized I'm like a pretty aggressive driver. And our kids know, like, buckle up because like, I don't want to be stuck behind slow drivers. I don't want to be caught in something. And I think it's interesting when you really frame status, you know, not as a prize to be won, but as this thief that's going to rob the depth of who you are.

I think for the right people who are listening to this, it's going to cause a rise in you. And that was your talk. That was your talk at the TEDx. It was a challenge talk. In fact, when I go back and listen to it again, and if someone is on this podcast listening right now and has not listened to it, you might as well just stop this interview now and go jump over and listen to Ryan's talk. It's on YouTube.

It's amazing because it's going to challenge you at your core. What it's going to do is it's going to eat. You're going to pause it because you can't belly up to the bar and you can't take the talk and you're going to say, you know what? I need to stick in the comfort places of life. With that, we wish you the best. If this hangs with you, you're going to realize that this is going to create a fear in me because I have to let

go of the expectations of others. I have to allow the drive of who I am, you know, encapsulated in this kind of fear of because now I'm stepping into my own path. I'm stepping into my own definitions. I will not be held constraint any longer by this. Is it's gonna actually cause some fear in me, but it's gonna turn me into a place of action. And I think when you and I talked more about this, we realized, you know what? There are talks that are informational.

There are talks that are passionate. There are talks that are going to create change across society or in places of people's worldview and things of that nature. And that's what, that's what talks and communication is for. And Ryan, I love your style as a communicator because you are gritty, you are raw, you are vulnerable and you challenge people.

And at the end of the day, it's going to take two to tango. And I know that people like myself who don't want to be held down by anything in life are going to wake up and realize, you know what, But I am. But I am being held back by some status. Because at night, I've got the doom's scroll going on. Or I'm in a mastermind and I'm subconsciously sizing myself up with others. Or I'm looking at these deliverables and the scale size of my business and I'm realizing in my industry, there's a different measure of success. And at the end of the day, it's all a trap because we're not letting ourselves feel the fear, which is really the authenticity of defining our way.

And I'll tell you, that challenge you brought out is going to wake people up to realize they have to find their way. Well, thank you. And as I said, and I couldn't have done it without you, this is one of the things that I think has been the most interesting to me as I've matured in my career. When we're young and we look at those ahead of us that we idolize, right?

And I think that's a good thing. I think it's okay to look at someone else, you know, it could be an icon like a Michael Jordan, or it could be a mentor in your community, or it could be a parent, or whoever it is that you idolize when you're young. And young can even be into your early 20s. You look at the places where they're successful,

and you assume that they have no fear in those moments. And when you have fear in those moments, you're like, oh, there's something wrong with me. I'm scared. And this is actually a conversation that I've had with my children as well about other things, not just sports. You're 11 and 9. Of course you're going to be scared. You're experiencing things that you've never experienced before all the time because you're brand new to life, right? Like you are constantly experiencing things for the first time and when you experience things for the first time, you are going to have fear associated with those things, especially

if you are searching for an outcome in that thing, right? There's going to be fear associated with it. And I think once, when you can internalize the fact that Michael Jordan taking the last shot against Utah, sick as a dog, was fearful in the moment, like there's anxiety in that person, right? Like he wants to win that game. He doesn't wanna miss that shot, but he mastered the fear.

He didn't let the fear stop him, right? And this goes for everybody, everything. Like, I just did a talk, I did a keynote in Vegas last week. And wonderful event, Agent Broker United, it's an insurance event, wonderful group of people. I had never spoken to this audience before, which is always something I love, because I love, you know, you get a new, wonderful group of people. I had never spoken to this audience before, which is always something I love, because I love, you know, you get a new crosscut of people

that have never heard you, or you know, whatever. And the organizationally, it didn't, it wasn't going well. Like, not the talk, but the conference. Like, not bad, they weren't necessarily doing anything wrong, but a couple speakers had gone over their time, and that's what happened to me. So the speaker before me had a 15-minute slot to do kind of like a just a quick hitter and

hits a 15-minute mark and goes over. Now the fear for me was I had to catch a plane at 2 p.m. right? So I had to be done with my talk at noon so I could grab my bag and leave because I Live in upstate New York. It's incredibly difficult to get here by plane guys, especially when you're coming from the west coast So like if I didn't catch that plane which would get me into my home by 1130 p.m On Friday the next plane that could get me home got me in at noon the next day. Which would have meant I would have missed both my kids baseball games

and I just didn't want all that extra time not being home. Right, so now I'm watching my time tick down as this guy goes over, because I know I have this hard stop. And then, so okay, so he finishes five minutes late. So now I go from having a 45 minute slot to a 40 minute slot. So now I'm trying to get my computer set up

and my slides set up and they didn't have an AV guy, which whatever, that happens at a lot of conferences. And I plug my computer in, nothing, can't get the slides to come up on the screen. Right, so now I start panicking because, and normally I'm like cool as a cucumber in these moments, but because I'm like, but I had this deadline, right? So now I'm over, now my computer's not working, I'm what every minute is less time I get to spend with the audience and like they flew me into this place to deliver a message. Like I want to give this audience what they came

here to see. Like I don't want to shortchange them. And like, so I'm sitting there and then, actually one of the other speakers comes up out of the audience and says, hey, you go, I'll get your slides working, which was amazing. Shout out to Bravo. He's gonna be on the podcast in the future, awesome guy. Shout out to him.

But he comes up, so like, so I do take deep breath and and and I'm telling you guys like I Get nervous energy for a talk these days, but I tend to not get fear but in this moment. I'm feeling I'm Feeling the the heart go I feel the the the cortisol is flushing through my body like I feel it right I feel it and So I take everyone listening knows those feelings right it. And so I take a deep breath. Everyone listening knows those feelings right now. I think you're like making yourself sweat a little bit. Yeah. And if I hadn't learned the lesson that I tried to share

in the status trap about this idea of mastering fear and fear as a vector, what I said to myself was like, fuck it. I'm gonna take all this energy and I'll tell you, Sayla, I fucking ripped. Like I just, it was like, I had this whole talk. I turned around and I just, I looked at the audience and I said, are you guys ready?

And then, you know, I got like the murmur that they were and I said, here we go. then you know I got like the murmur that they were and I said here We go and it was 32 minutes of full throttle because I was like you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna take all this fear and energy I have and I'm just gonna go and Granted I was probably a little more aggressive than I normally was I certainly curse more than I normally did I just was like I I can't you you know, I can try if I tried to settle myself, and I guess this is what I'm trying to share with people is like, if I tried to settle myself in that moment, it

wouldn't have worked. I couldn't like instead of fighting the fear, I said, all I'm going to do is turn fear into energy because because yeah, and I say this in the talk, fear and excitement light up the same exact neurons in your body. So what that tells me is you get to choose what it is. It's the same neurons. If you feel fear and you feel excitement, your brain if you had one of those like brain hats on the same picture, same picture for those two emotions. So you get to

choose you get to choose and I get to choose. And I was like, and I didn't know that two years ago, but today I knew it. And I literally said to myself, this is, let's just go, let's use it. And we just went and hit it. And I'm getting bro hugs and bro slaps and standing ovation. And it was awesome. And it ended up being great. Not what I had expected but great. But I guess my point is saying like that fear, the fear like I could have said oh my god these people are going to think that I'm a moron, that I'm late, that I don't know how to work a computer and I was like nope I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about that stuff. I am going to try to give this audience what I had at that moment. I was now at this point, what, 15, 16 minutes

late, like I'm just going to give them everything I have for the 32 minutes that I have with them. I love it. And what happens happens. And I think- Okay. So I got to jump in and ask you a question here. What did it feel like then for you to take the stage at TEDx? Like, I want to know what did it feel like for you to get on that stage? Because you had hammered that talk. You were prepared. It was your thought leadership you were bringing to the stage in that moment.

That's a different stage. At least everyone listening here knows that stage. They weren't at your audience in Vegas, but they know that that's a stage to be won. That is an honor. In fact, it was you building your personal brand, the blood, the sweat, the editing, the content that you have pumped out for years to say, hey, I've won an invitation to be on this stage. And with that comes the prep, with that comes the standards that you've got to step onto

that stage. So I want to know, I want you to tell everyone two things. First of all, what did it feel like for you to take that stage knowing not only just the prep of the talk, but truly the brand that you had built that put you on it? And just like, what did that feel like to you? I want you just to tell us about that. And then equally, I'm just going to, just for time's sake, I'm going to put the other question there.

What did it feel like when you were done with the talk? I wanted you to unpack both of those for us because those are moments a lot of people haven't had a chance yet to experience to be a speaker on a TEDx stage, but we've got to know what it was like for Ryan Hanley. Yeah. As scared as I've ever been because it is so much different than my normal style. So how I normally approach a keynote and how I did in Vegas is I have a, you know, I'm sure professional speakers or anyone who's a professional speaker may disagree with this style. I have a starting point and an ending point

and I have no idea how I'm gonna get there. So I have slides, but I will literally turn around and be like, I don't wanna use that slide today and I'll just click right past it, right? So like, I have a starting point for my talk and I have an ending point for my talk and how I get there I Oftentimes have no idea because I'm reading the audience. Are they energized today? Are they hung over? Is it early? Is it late? Is this a nerdy audience? Is this uh, is this an audience?

Ra ra like they just want to get fired up like what are they looking for today? Because I think that I think I think a lot of speakers Approach they have a stump speech and they're I'm gonna deliver my stump speed This is what I this is what I say This is how I say it you either like it or you don't and and you can be very very very good in that style Do not get me wrong. It's just not the style that I use I I my way is to I'm constantly reading the audience.

I'm constantly looking at their eyes. What are they doing? Are they interacting? Are they nodding? Are they disagreeing? Are they murmuring? Are they, you know, are they engaging? Like, and then, like, you know, a good example of that is like, I tend to curse. and I like to make sex jokes and jokes about liberals. I just do. I think those things are very I think sex I think being a hardcore lefty. I can see why the Ted was totally different. I think those things are fucking hilarious. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, this might be crass, but I just find sex

to be fucking hilarious. Like, what you're actually doing is just so insane that like, I don't know. So I find it funny. And I, you know, if I can drop a little like innuendo in there and get everyone to laugh, you know, it's whatever. So I'm in Nebraska, and I promise I will answer your question. I'm in Nebraska, and I start doing my thing. And I tend early in a talk to kind of test the audience a little bit like where are they right so I'll put a few thoughts a few you know push a little here okay how do they respond how they respond and and again

I'm iterating I have a place that I want to get them to but I'm iterating so I can deliver the message in the way that they want this is a great right now for anyone who's a communicator you absolutely need to do this Ryan you're such a natural you don't realize how communicator. You absolutely need to do this, Brian. You are such a natural. You don't realize how many people don't know how to do this. Okay, keep going, that was gold. Yeah, so you're, so you're, thank you. So, so I, and I don't like being on stage unless I have to be.

So I'd like to get down with the people. So, so I'm down and I'm kind of walking in the middle and I'm talking and talking and I make this little sexual innuendo joke like a fart in church. Literally zero response. I have used this a hundred times and it always at least gets like a giggle. Nothing. Dead silent.

Oh no, that's the worst feeling in the world. I'm like, okay, maybe Nebraska, people in Nebraska don't think sex is funny. That's fine. So so then bop bop bop. And I I drop I drop an F bomb. And and again, I try to do it in cheeky ways, guys. I am not like effing like just dropping an F bomb on people to do it. Like I tend to like maybe it's like a little, I tend to use deadpan humor in the way that I,

you know, da da da, right? Like any kind of, and again, nothing. Now all the gray hairs in the back are now standing up and like a couple of them are like shaking their head like in disagreement of what, of my my existence. What did you do? So I so I literally stopped to talk Well, I stopped talking I turn around I walk back to the stage and I sit on the stage, right? And it's like my feet are dangling off the stage and I'm staring at the audience and there's probably

15 20 seconds of silence and I go, I'm gonna make you motherfuckers laugh by the end of this talk and I finally got them to crack, right? Like they finally kind of like giggled and I go, guys I will, I promise I'm not gonna curse again but I'm gonna get you to laugh in this talk like I go that's the last time I'm gonna curse. Way to in this talk like I go that's the last Yeah, I was like I get you don't cursing you don't like sex jokes I'm like, I don't I don't have any jokes about corn, but and then that then they started laughing, you know And I saw I love it. We got it. Okay, that's my style Okay, so Ted to your point to your question Ted is so different right so different one point to your question. Ted is so different, right? So different. One, they don't curse on Ted, right? You don't do sexual innuendo unless you're talking about that. Right? It's

much different. And it is, there's no working the audience. Like you're not in, you are talking to the audience. There's probably about 175 people in the audience. They're there, but you are, you're actually communicating to the YouTube video, right? That's what you're, that's what you're delivering is, is to the, is to the YouTube video. That's a good clarification. Yeah. You're not actually speaking to the people that are in that specific audience because that's the nature of the talk. That made me very, very nervous. And the mistake that I made this audience like, or this this talk is, is I planned every word, right? I we had written

every word gone through. And what I was getting hung up on were there actually two transitions that for whatever reason, my brain, I think because of the fear, my brain just wouldn't remember and I kept getting stuck on them. And when I was practicing to literally two lines, I just my brain wouldn't retain them. So I'm sweating bullets. And I'll tell you, it was actually a good friend of mine, Chris Klein, who lives in Ohio, who came to the talk, I'm out pacing in the lobby. And he sits down next to me and he goes, What's up, man? He's like, you look nervous. And I go, I am. And he goes, Fuck that you got this. And it was like everything melted away. So when I got up there, I felt I felt fairly I was like, you know what? I this is happening, whether I'm fearful or

not. So I'm just going to do it. So I went up and I started and here's the thing, guys, the worst case scenario happened. I get I get about a minute. So if you go watch the video and I'll have the video linked up in the description for those who haven't seen it, but like, I get about a minute, like it's around a minute and a half, a minute 45, I can't remember exactly where it is. Somebody fat fingers the slides in the back and takes my slides off the screen and puts the speaker transition slide up on the screen.

So like, there's a transition slide between the speakers that Ted does, and all of a sudden the transition slide goes up. So now I'm looking at the confidence monitor and my slide is not there. Right? So thankfully having done this before, I just say the same line twice. And you can kind of tell if you now know, but like I say the same line twice like I'm emphasizing it. And in my mind I'm'm going now it felt like an eternity in my mind. It was probably seven to 10 seconds max. But they put my slide back in. But in my head, I'm going, Oh my God, am I going to have to do the rest of my talk without my slides?

Right. And they put it back in, everything goes fine. Yeah, push all the way through. And, you know, once I got through that moment, I kind of catch my wind off we go. Very happy with the delivery, especially the last like three quarters. And and then afterwards, I literally like, like, yeah, it was like, here's the thing, so like, I didn't realize how much stress I had been carrying because when when it was done it was like I took 200 pound sacks and slumped them off my shoulders and I was just like and it was all just fear of that talk that got through. I know you have a time here coming up.

Yeah, yeah I was like I'm great now. Now I'm great. I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna have to have you back on because we didn't talk at all about personal branding. This is mostly been an interview. It's almost like you've been interviewing me. But so I want to have you back on because guys, the reason I wanted to have Ceyla on, not just because we have amazing conversations, but the last year, and I wanna be very kind, as kind as I can be to you. Like, Sailor helped me reframe how I think about how I position myself in the world,

how I talk about what I do. And this is what I really wanted to talk about today and we're absolutely gonna have you back on the show because I want to get through this. The personal branding, the personal branding work specifically that we did together, like it wasn't yes do I have better words? Am I can I frame what I do better? Visually is what I do better? Yes all those things, yes. But that exercise helped me as a human being. Like I am a more confident, I believe, more structured, more defined,

more clear on who I am and what I wanna become because I did the personal branding work with you. And like, I guess what I wanted to get to and what I wanted to walk through with you was your process that you took me through because like, I would not be, I don't think 2025 has already been infinitely more successful to me than 2024 ever was.

And that simply would not be the case if you and I didn't work together for as long as we did. And I just wanna publicly say thank you to you not be the case if you and I didn't work together for as long as we did. And I just want to publicly say thank you to you and just like, I cannot thank you enough for what you did for me and the time that we spent together because I honestly believe that like I couldn't have made it through that time without you. And yeah, were we talking about personal branding? Yes, but you would force me to reframe thoughts, reframe ideas, reframe priorities, and continue to, is this, here's what you told me you wanted to

become, is that in this frame? And I kept having to sculpt and sculpt and it was almost like like a sculptor chiseling away, like I this ugly misformed rock right that had some good qualities but also some and you were like that piece needs to go and hey maybe you know here's how we frame that and and it just it was absolutely amazing and I just you know this is one way of saying thank you and and I just appreciate the hell out of you and I would encourage anyone who you know business branding I, I know our project was a little bit special, but like, if you have this need and if you need branding

work for your business as well, because I'm sure the process works the same with businesses as well, Saila is an amazing, amazing, amazing resource that I cannot cannot cannot recommend enough to everyone and I highly recommend you reach out to her if it's something that that that that you need. In a crude laboratory in the basement of his home.