The Ryan Leak Podcast - Are We There Yet?

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

In this episode, Ryan shares a behind-the-scenes story about his journey with John Maxwell’s team—a relationship that took over a decade to build. When Ryan once asked if he could be featured on John’s podcast, he was met with an honest and challenging response: “I don’t think we’re there yet.” Rather than taking offense, Ryan took it as fuel for growth.This episode is a reminder that sometimes the best thing someone can say to you is not yet. Because growth doesn’t come from empty compliments—it comes from honest feedback, faithful effort, and staying committed to the opportunities right in front of you. If you’ve ever been tempted to fast-forward your way to success, this one’s for you. To subscribe to encouraging text from Ryan, text PODCAST to 469-809-1201.

My friends, my friends, welcome to the Ryan League podcast. I got an episode for you today that I am so excited about. On the Ryan League podcast, we'd like to keep things short and sweet, give you something practical that can add value to your week. Today's episode might be a little bit more challenging than normal. You might even come to the conclusion that, today's episode felt perhaps discouraging. And as somebody who has a strong desire to encourage the world around them,

you might feel discouraged. But I want you to know today's podcast is going to challenge you. And if you are listening with a growing ear, I promise you, your life is. going to get better today. Over the last year and a half, I have had the wonderful opportunity to work side by side with the John Maxwell leadership team. And they are actually the ones who have published my latest book, How to Work with Complicated People. And for those of you who don't know who John Maxwell is, he is one of the most influential leadership voices

of all time. To put it frankly, he's written almost 100 books on leadership. He has sold more than 36 million copies, which is a lot of books for sure. Not like 36 million downloads or views that people can get for free. I'm talking people like purchased over 36 million copies of books.

He's coached leaders in nearly every country on the planet his influence is absolutely insurmountable. But what makes John John, in my personal opinion, having gotten to know him more personally over the last couple of years, isn't his resume, but it's the way that he multiplies leaders. He doesn't just lead people. He raises leaders. I've met a lot of people who are generous with their members.

money. He is generous with his influence and he helps people become leaders. He empowers people. We've had some amazing events together recently, but while it's amazing to get to work with him and his team today, what's really wild is that this relationship has actually been 10 years in the making. I'm going to give you a little bit of behind the scenes of how I even got connected to John in the first place. Chad Johnson, a really good friend of mine, he is one of John's right-hand guys. He does a lot of bookings for John, makes a lot of connections for John, and he's been doing that for over a decade. I originally got connected with Chad through a conference that used to be really popular called Catalyst Conference, and Chad worked for that conference. So every year

I would go and would hang with Chad, and then he officially moved over to start working for John and we just always stayed stayed in touch really good friends and one day i had a previous book coming out called leveling up now whenever you publish a book and you're going with a publisher i always want you to reach out to your most famous friends to have them post about the book it is the most annoying thing in the world i hate it with a passion like i don't want if you my friend like and you want to post about it, great, but like having to ask people to just, you know, hey, would you endorse my book? First off, these people are not even going to read your books? So they're going to write like a little blurb. And I just, don't get me on a soapbox. But nevertheless, my publisher asked me to reach

out to some different people and at some different platforms that maybe they would have me on their podcast, whatnot. And then I just remember thinking, you know, John, I recently just started his leadership podcast. And so I reached out to chat. And I said, hey, man, What do you think, man? It would be cool to be on John's podcast. I would love to come on and talk about the book. And in that moment, I'll never forget. Chad saying something to me that was a tough pill to swallow in the moment.

But long term, it was one of the best things. A friend, a true friend could actually say to me. He said, Ryan, I don't think we're there yet. I don't think we're there yet. He was saying, hey, man, the truth is like, hey, we love you. But I'm not sure that the work you've put in thus far is, is there yet to match that of John Maxwell,

which again, like I said at the beginning, This is going to make some people phone control. I don't even like this conversation. I don't like the whole levels thing. We're all the same. We all should just be down there. You can't just hop on somebody else's platform and just assume that you can just do what they do.

It don't work like that. I get that this could sound offensive to somebody. It could sting. But I just got to tell you when he said it, I didn't hear offense. I heard challenge. Yeah, I heard, hey, man, you got some work to do. So guess what?

We started doing that work. we started figuring out how can we have more value to the people that are in front of us. I was challenged by his words. You want to know what's interesting. I think the truth for a lot of us is I think we actually want to be lied to. We want everyone to say, we're amazing, even if we're not. We want compliments over correction. It's why some people can post a half-baked idea on social media.

and then get defensive when someone offers actual feedback. It's like you didn't even give your best. You just want everybody to like it and share it and make it viral. But what if there is somebody going, hey, it's not there yet. It's why in the workplace, performance reviews can turn into pep rallies instead of honest conversations because we've created a culture where affirmation is expected and accountability is avoided. But if we always settle for comfort over correction, we'll stay stuck in cycles of mediocrity. It's like we're all still playing kindergarten soccer, where everyone gets a medal and everyone gets a trophy for just showing up.

Listen, I've got two kids in sports, and the number of parents yelling, Good job, Johnny! When Johnny is airballing, okay, he is clearly. struggling. It is wild. At some point, I believe we've got to leave the emotional kindergarten arena. Because if we want to grow, we need somebody in our corner who is willing to tell us, you've got some work to do. You're not there yet. You've got some areas to improve. You've got some skills to to sharpen. You've got some character to build. You've got some faithfulness to practice. I love what Jim Collins says in his book, Good to Great. He wrote, you absolutely cannot make a

series of good decisions without first confronting the brutal facts. And that's what my very good friend Chad gave me the brutal facts and i didn't take it personally i took it seriously now did you know that a research from the harvard business review found that 92% of people agree that negative feedback if delivered appropriately is effective at improving performance nevertheless Even with that stat, most of us avoid it. We avoid giving it. We avoid receiving it. Why?

Because it's uncomfortable. Why? Because it risk the relationship. Why? Because hearing you're not there yet can feel like rejection when really it's a gift. Like, have you ever had someone ask you what you thought about their article, their video, their video, their book, or post, and you were just kind, but not honest. You didn't be honest because you didn't feel like you had permission to tell the truth.

Because the truth is, sometimes it wasn't that good, but you're trying to be a good friend. And you think being a good friend means telling them what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. And we just don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. So we just say, great job and move on. I've been on both sides of that moment. I've been the guy hoping for real feedback in getting sugar-coated compliments. I've been the guy trying to find a polite way to say,

you've got a little work to do, but I just couldn't find it in my heart to do it because I didn't feel like the person was in a position to receive that they're not there yet. And it was just weird. And so I've got this question that I want to ask you today. do you have somebody in your life who's willing to tell you the truth even if it stings not to tear you down but to build you up because we all need at least one person in our corner who's not afraid to say you're not there yet but i believe you can get there that's what chad did for me so what What did I do with Chad's challenge?

I kept showing up. I kept being faithful with the stages and platforms I did have. I kept looking for ways to add value to my clients and to my audience and to my platform. And then, about a year later, Chad called me and he said, hey, I think we might be there. I'm going to pitch it to the team. And the team was 50-50 from what I've heard. They may not admit that now, but back then, Chad told me what was going on behind the scene. But in that moment, they rolled the dice.

And now we get to do some pretty great things together. Listen, there are still stages and platforms that, quote, unquote, think about having me speak on their stage or do their podcast, and then guess what happens? they pass yeah they pass am I there yet I don't know but I don't lose sleep over it you know what I think I think

every day like today is an opportunity to get better and the there is not a specific stage the there is me simply trying to reach my potential and give my best and I just got to have some people in my life

that can come along alongside me and show me when I'm absolutely not doing that. I wake up every day and I give my best to whatever is in front of me and I am going to encourage you to do the same and find somebody in your life who is willing to tell you the truth. Not someone who flatters you, someone who challenges you because when you have somebody like that, ooh, you find yourself in a position where you can truly grow. My friends, thank you for taking time today to listen to the Ryan League podcast. If today's episode challenged you in any way,

I would ask that you don't keep it to yourself and that you would share it with a friend and it would mean the world to me if you take a moment to rate review and subscribe. I send out an encouraging text every single week as well. If you'd like to subscribe to those encouraging text messages, you can text or a podcast to the number 469-809-1201. and you will start getting some encouraging text messages from me at the beginning each week. Thanks for being a part of the journey and we'll catch you next.