The Ryan Leak Podcast - Faith & Business with Executive Coach Jordan Montgomery

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

After a 6-month hiatus, Ryan Leak is back with Followership guests and this episode does not disappoint. Joining Ryan on today's episode is Jordan Montgomery who is an entrepreneur, speaker, author, and executive coach. Jordan and Ryan reflect on their personal journeys and how faith has played a pivotal role in shaping their careers and relationships. Jordan shares his transformative experience of humility and redemption at the age of 27, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's values alongside pursuing goals. Ryan echoes this sentiment, highlighting the significance of humility, curiosity, and honor in leadership. They explore the challenges many individuals face in today's fast-paced world, such as the relentless pace and the destructive habit of comparison. Jordan and Ryan provide valuable strategies for overcoming these hurdles, including being mindful of your environment, practicing gratitude, and seeking authenticity. Throughout the episode, their unwavering faith shines through as they acknowledge the role of God in their lives and the incredible impact it has had on their journey. They invite listeners, regardless of their faith background, to join in the conversation about faith, leadership, and personal growth. Tune in to this episode for engaging discussions, practical advice, and inspiring stories that will empower you to lead with authenticity, humility, and purpose. You can learn more about Ryan at ryanleak.com. And you can learn more about Jordan Montgomery at montgomerycompanies.com.

Welcome to followership with Ryan League. I've got my good friend Jordan Montgomery on the podcast today. Jordan, welcome to followership with Ryan League. Hey, man. Thanks for having me. So what most people don't know about Jordan Montgomery is George Montgomery. I talk about him in post all the time. Like if you see any post of mine that involves friendship,

showing up for others, celebrating other people. I am indirectly talking about Jordan Montgomery. Without question. Jordan and I met at a kind of like an influencers gathering in California. And whenever you show up to these gatherings, there is this, there's just this little bit of a, it can be competitive. You just don't know how those events are going to go or who you're going to, who you're going to vibe with.

And I just, I just have to say it was, it was an instant connection. We were, I think we were eating cereal next to, to one another at, at one of the lunch tables. And then there was just so many things

that you, that you just said at that table. I just thought, I called my wife after, actually. And I said, it's really hard to make friends in your 30s that you can truly call a friend. I said,

but I said, I feel like I'm in the first grade today. I feel like I made a friend, ma. Yeah. Come on, man. Which in my world is incredibly difficult to get. So anyways, over the past, man, what is that? What's that?

It's probably been, what was that? Is that two years ago now? Probably, man. Yeah, two years ago out in San Diego. I think that was two years ago. Yeah. And, man, I just have to say you have been a pivotal divine relationship. relationship in my life personally and professionally.

And so it's taken way too long to have to have you on the podcast. But ladies and gentlemen, we got Jordan Montgomery in the building today. He is a speaker, entrepreneur, and runs an executive coaching practice out of the great state of Iowa, which Jordan has gotten me to come to Iowa quite a few times now. And it's been a lot of fun. And in fact, we have joined forces together in terms of our coaching practice to be able to add value to people all around the world. And so, man, I wanted to have you on today to just talk a little bit about how you've built your business. And you've got some pretty unique strategies, I think, in helping people bring out their best selves in the world.

But before we jump into that, I want you to just give our listeners a little. bit of your journey and how you got to where you are today. Yeah, well, first let me say this, man, right back at you, San Diego, man, I won't forget eating a bowl of cereal. And, you know, so many people can be attracted to your charisma, Ryan, because that's something God gave you. Like, you have this tremendous attraction power. So, of course, that draws people in. But then after that, it's your humility, man, the way that you carry your gifts with grace. So such a joy to be your friend, joy to be on a show. Yeah, happy to share my background. I'll try to keep it sweet and short, but I actually got to where I'm at today because I failed.

And you always talk about chasing failure, you know? And you've impacted so many people with that mantra and that message. I mean, I was 27 years old. I was running a financial services firm. And I was over exposed and underdeveloped, meaning I was out front a lot. I was teaching, training, leading. But I didn't really understand my values. I knew my goals.

I just didn't really know my values. and if you know your goals but not your values, your goals can take you to a place you never intended to go. And that's what happened for me, man. I just ended up living for and pursuing all of these worldly things that at the end of the day really don't matter. And so, man, it was achievement, it was money, it was reputation status. It was like a subconscious thing, right?

Like pride is so scary because you can't always identify it or see it. So, man, I'm 27. I'm getting ready to be the closing speaker at our big annual event, 15,000 people. I'm building this house because that felt like a wise thing to do at 27 when I was single and had no family. I had this boat. Like it just,

man, I was just living for the ways of the world. And at the time, I would have said, yeah, I'm a person of faith and I believe in Jesus. I grew up in the church. Like,

it wasn't that I didn't have faith. I just, I knew the Lord. I just wasn't really pursuing him or following him. And so, man, 27 years old, I get a call from my boss.

You actually just recently met on an, airplane, which is hilarious, by the way. Totally random. Ryan does not know this former boss of mine. And he said, man, I need to talk to you. And I was so naive. I was like, yeah, but not today. I'm really busy.

And he said, no, man, this is the kind of meeting where you clear your calendar. Like, I have to see you today. And again, I'm naive. So I'm like, well, somebody on my team made a mistake. Like, gosh, I got to go clean up this mistake that somebody else made because I was leading people, right? And so, man, I go to his office. I'll never forget the first words out of his mouth.

He said, you haven't been malicious or intentional, but you've been careless and casual. And when you're casual, you create casualties. And on that day, that was it. Somebody on my team had taken a test. Can you say that again? Yeah. He said, you haven't been malicious or intentional, but you've been careless and casual. Wow.

And when you're casual, you create casualties. So it was a lot of little stuff, Ryan. Like, I didn't keep great case notes. There was somebody on my team that took a test that it did. didn't report. I had a couple small bonuses that went undocumented. And I think what he was saying is, I just don't trust your character. Like your character's not keeping pace with your influence. And even though it felt really unfair, good on him that he sat me down to have that conversation. I didn't think at the time that I deserved to be terminated for it. But God used every ounce of

my pain and set me back on my feet. So I got recontracted by the same firm, but I didn't did lose all my clients. I moved to a different city where I didn't know anybody. Guy by the name of Tim Bohanan and took me in and said, man, I love for you to come work here. I'm going to help you put your life back together. You're going to sit in a corner office. No speaking, no coaching. I think you just need to work on yourself, build your character, and rebuild a business. So, man, I did that in Minneapolis. Two really hard years, walk through kind of a desert season, but met my wife in that season. Come on. And I'll just say this, Ryan. I wanted God to put my professional life back together. And instead, he worked in some other areas of my life. You know, that adage that

that he's got to do something in us before he can do something with us. And man, like, I started digging into my Bible. I started asking for feedback. I started spending more time with my family. I started valuing people and seeing people in a different way. And so I think sometimes God's preparation is packaged his pain. I had to go through some pain, but I met my wife. She had two kids, so I got to become dad and husband. And then we got to grow this business together. I'm leaving out some details, but I looked at her at one point, said, man, I'd love to coach and speak. I want to pivot from financial services.

She said, I'll go all in with you. And so for the last five and a half years, man, that's been our joy and our journey is speaking coaching, training and teaching, but in a different way. And with a bit more maybe humility and stewardship than I did in the last chapter, and only because of God's grace. So that's a story of how we got to, you know, where we're at today.

And it's why I'm having this conversation with you. Man, that, that's incredible. And I can, I am a, a testament to watching, I only know you on this second half of the journey. I don't know old Jordan. So knowing current Jordan, the only Jordan I've ever known is one of the most caring people, one of the biggest cheerleaders of others. I just, you know, I have, there's probably four or five stages I've been on this year because you single-handedly would walk around a room and just tell people about me, you know?

It's, I remember being on the Northwestern stage and even shouting you out at one point. But, but I often say in a lot of my keynotes, like, hard work will get you a lot of places. but it will not get you places that someone opening a door will. You need hard work and some people in your corner. And that's what you've been for me. And I know you've been that for a lot of people in your space. So as you pivoted from financial services to this coaching and speaking business, what is it that you found was you guys' secret sauce, if you will,

on the coaching side that really differentiated you from your traditional coaching company. We've always believed that we're more of a strategic partner than a coach. You know, and you and I have talked about this before, but it's this idea that we want to add value beyond the coaching work. So when you think about a coach, you think about accountability, concept, strategies, ideas, somebody to bounce stuff off of, a sounding board. And that's all great. And we do that.

That's coaching. But coaching is also believing in people. it's adding value to people, it's endorsing people, it's advocating for people. And so I've always told people, don't see me as a coach, like, view me as a strategic partner. And I want to help you behind the scenes. I want to be your biggest cheerleader. I want to help you expand your circle. I want to get you on a stage or help you write that book or connect you to that person that's going to open the door.

And so we spend a lot of time behind the scenes advocating for people, endorsing people, and just trying to create opportunities and add value. And I've had so many people that for me, it's easy. to do that for others. I've had to learn from some great people, guys like Brad Lomeneck, who we know who's just an unbelievable leader and friend, always like trying to hustle and help other people. And so that's really been our mission, Ryan, is just adding value and helping people in every way that we can. And I think as simple as that sounds, it has set us apart. And it's been a fun journey. Yeah, I love that. Now, when in the coaching space,

You and I know that, you know, there are times where you are sitting across the table from somebody that desperately needs our help. Then there's times where we're sitting across the table from somebody that you're going, you can be helping me because you're so good at what you do. Yeah. And so what would you say, in your opinion, truly sets apart a successful athlete, entrepreneur, or executive from their peers. What would you say are some of those outliers, habits, if you will, that you've noticed in your coach and practice?

Well, it's interesting because this is the followership podcast. Right. And my answer to that question would be followership. It's really the humility of a person that says, I'm open-minded, I'm ready to learn, I've got work to do. you know, like if you're too big to follow, you're too small to lead. And so I think humility, you know, like, and I see this in your life, man, like, as much as you've accomplished and for all the cool things that are happening to you, you and I have so

many conversations just about staying grounded, you know, and what it looks like to steward your gifts the right way. And so I admire the way that you have carried your journey with grace. And I know that you're asking God to continue to keep you humble. So I would say it's the heart of somebody and it's the spirit of somebody that ask questions. They're always trying to get advice. They're curious. They're open-minded.

And we could go deeper into that. And then the other thing I think, man, it's really important is they carry a culture of honor with, you know, like they want to honor not just the person who's opening the door for the big opportunity, but they want to honor everybody along the way. And again, I watch you do this, man. that you honor people who maybe somebody else doesn't even see. You know, it's like the AV team at the event, you know, or that person that, like, wants you to sign a book after you get off to stage, like, honor is so important. But if you're a young leader and you're listening to this and you're like, man,

I want to grow my influence and I want more opportunity. Like, what I would have you write down is honor produces access. Honor produces access. So if you want more access to people, you want more opportunities. You want more doors to open. like just carry a culture of honor with you. Man, try to point out the good and others. Be gracious. Ask questions.

Live with some gratitude. Thank people. I think you've done that really well. And if somebody asked me, what's the reason for Ryan Leak's success? I would say, number one, a lot of God-given giftedness. Man is crazy talented.

But number two, it's followed really well. And he's carried and stewarded his gifts with humility and grace. If I'm a, you know, let's say I'm somebody sitting in an organization right now, maybe frustrated at my place in the organization. What would you say, you mentioned asking questions in that season as a differentiator of people that really stand out from the rest.

What would you say are maybe two or three good questions they should be asking in this season of their career? First question, I believe they should be asking themselves is this question. how am I taking responsibility outside of my authority? Ooh. Like in other words, say it again. Say it again. How am I taking responsibility outside of my authority?

Wow. Like where am I taking some ownership or I don't have to? Like it's not my mess, but I'll clean it up. It's not my project, but I'll participate. It's not my assignment, but I'll help complete it, you know? Wow. That's a person who's going to have more opportunity out into the future. future. Like if you want to have influence others don't have, then you got to do things that

others don't do. And I just believe, like, I believe that God honors that. I believe people see that. And I wouldn't do it to be seen. I would do it because that's the right thing to do. Like, it's the right thing to do. It's the right way to live. Like, we're all called to serve and to bless others and to go above and beyond the call of duty. So, and man, I'll point this out. That's an Andy Stanley quote. Andy Stey, I'll give him credit, man. He's the one that said that. like this famous question of where am I taking responsibility outside the lane of my authority? The second thing I would say a mantra that we live by in our coaching practice is bloom where you're planted.

You know, like treat your current opportunity as if it's your last opportunity. I think so many of us, myself included like, you know, I go back to when I was 27, man, I suffered from destination addiction. Like I was just always living in the future. I wanted the next opportunity so bad that I was. I failed to steward the one that I was currently in. And so, man, I would just say to the young person listening, treat your current role, even if it's not flashy, even if you don't love it, even if you think you deserve more, go above and beyond the call of duty, run the race well. Leaders might see your giftedness, but to fall in love with your character.

That's a character thing. And I just believe that if we do those two things, bloom where we're planted and ask ourselves the question, where am I taking responsibility outside the lane of my authority? And that's a great recipe for more opportunity and growth out into the future. Dude, I love that. You've often mentioned this idea of being in a daily fight to succeed, a daily fight to succeed. Unpack that for our listeners a little bit. When you think about a daily fight to succeed, who comes to mind? Where does that mantra come from?

First off, I think we have to define what does success mean, what does it mean? to succeed. I'll just tell you my fight right now. I think this is the fight that a lot of us are facing. I'm going to read something from C.S. Lewis said this in mere Christianity about the topic of pride. He said, according to Christian teachers, the essential vice the utmost evil is pride. Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness, and all that are mere flea bites in comparison. It was through pride that the devil became the devil. Pride leads to every other vice. It is the complete anti-God's state of it is pride, which has been the chief cause of misery and every nation and every family since the world began.

My fight today, and I think the fight that so many young emerging leaders face is this fight right here. 100% is pride. You know, it's killing the ego. It's setting your selfishness aside. You know, Jesus was the most impactful leader to ever walk the planet. Oh, yeah. And the scripture says he came to serve not to be served.

you know so like like i think you know that's my simple answer i you know and i had to i had to go to um he's not a bad guy to go to though a decent go to right a decent go to i just yeah i just believe that to be true man that like a daily fight to succeeds means that we would humble ourselves before the lord we'd realize where our gifts come from and we're going to work out of him and i think if we're doing that and we're focused on other people will win the daily fight to succeed i love that Do you, what are you seeing the most with a lot of your clients is their biggest hurdle right now in the 2023 American workforce? You're talking young leaders? Like where do I see young leaders struggle? Anybody. It doesn't matter. They're young leaders. It doesn't matter. If you're across the Zoom from somebody, what would you, what would you say is the biggest hurdle you're seeing?

and what strategies are you encouraging people to take to overcome those hurdles? I would say two things. And I think you'd agree with me on this. Number one would be pace. And you and I've had conversations about pace. I think sometimes we're just so hurried. You know, life moves so fast. You and I are both in a season with young kids and young families.

And so we travel. And so, man, pace is a real challenge. Like how do you move at a pace that honors people, more importantly, honors the Lord, honors your family? I remember talking to you. We were hanging out in Dallas watching the national championship game. You came to support the Hawks, man, my hawk guys. Come on. And I just remember asking you, Ryan, like, man, what's the speaking calendar looking like over the next, you know, three weeks?

Normally, your speaking calendar is packed, like jam-packed. Like, my guy, Ryan is flying all over the country to be on different stages. But I caught you in a specific season where you're like, actually, I'm not doing much. and I was like, what do you mean? Like, yeah, I've just been intentional about blocking out some time where I'm just not doing much. Yeah. And I just, I loved that response.

You said, I'm going to spend time with Amanda and the kids. Like, I just, I've got some personal stuff that I want to do. And I might write and hang out with some friends. But my thing is like, man, there's not enough people willing to do that. Yeah. And by the way, I think that's where so much of the real growth happens. You know, like if you want to be a good day, dad and you want to be a good husband, you want to be a good friend. And like, you have to have a

willingness to slow down to work on those things. You think about Jesus, like Jesus didn't, you know, run to things. He wasn't always hurried and rushed. Like, you know, our friend Dean Nurse talks about the Jesus pace, you know, like he had the Jesus pace. And, and so I think pace is a real challenge. The second thing I would say is comparison. I think a lot of leaders today struggle with comparison. And I just remind somebody today listening, like you are most, effective when you're most authentic. There's somebody listening to this like, man, I'm listening to the Ryan Leak followership podcast because I want to be more like Ryan Leak.

And Ryan Leak and Jordan Montgomery just want you to be more like you. Because God created you to be you. You're not us. We're not you. And you're most authentic. We're most effective. But I really think comparison, man, sends a lot of people sideways. And I've had to fight that myself over the years.

I've heard you say, man, I just want to be me. I don't want to be anybody else. Yeah. And quickest way to kill something special is to compare it to something else, you know? And so, man, what God gave us is special. And when God gave a person listening to this podcast is special. He's deposited in you some unique gifts that maybe others don't have that are unique to you. And I would just ask you to step into that, believe that.

And, man, keep fighting the battle with comparison and pace. What are the, what are some consistent things you are telling yourself? to fight comparison. You know, when you're scrolling on your phone, you see somebody post whatever. It could be a vacation. It doesn't take much. Yeah, it doesn't take much

for the comparison spiral to begin. So what is it that you are saying to yourself? You know, I'm putting myself in our listener's shoes in their seat, their office, they're on LinkedIn, they're seeing somebody else in their minds just crushing it and they're basically surviving

in their role. So what are some things that you say to yourself when you're dealing with comparison that can help our audience today? For me, it's been gratitude, you know, and just joy for what I do have. Yeah. You know, so it's taking those things

to the Lord and saying, you know what, God, I don't have this, but I do have this and I have this, and I have this, and I have this. Like, you have given me so much, Lord, help me not to forget that. Yeah. Because I think typically when we're living in comparison or we're struggling with comparison, we're forgetting all that we have. We're forgetting all that God gave us. And so if someone's listening to this today and they're struggling with comparison, like,

just take it to the Lord and thank him for what you do have. Yeah. Because my guess is there's a lot of things that you have to be proud of, to be grateful for, to be excited about. And so take those things to the Lord and, man, speak it out loud if you have to. Like sometimes I have to do that. Say, man, God, I'm struggling with this. Like I have this thing that I didn't get.

I didn't have this opportunity or I didn't win this. Whatever it is, right, that I feel like I lost out on it. But I'm like, you know what, God, you've given me a lot. Yeah. You blessed me with a lot. And I want to rest in that, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

But to your point, if we're being candid, I think all of us struggle with that on some level, right? And a lot of times it's even a subconscious thing. It's not even a conscious thing. It's just, and I wish I had that. Bro, I had to mute some people. Real talk. I've muted people that I wasn't mad at. I was just jealous of.

And I just had to realize that was a me thing, not a them thing. And so for the sake of my soul and the sake of my own mental health, I just said, man, I need a season where I just don't even see what they're posting. posting so that I could, and here's what's interesting. I actually could really celebrate them once I couldn't see it. I could actually call them. Like, dude, you are like crushing it. I just want to encourage you.

Like, I felt like I could be a better friend to them when I wasn't comparing myself to them. Yes. So it really changed. So I get it. I mean, it's, it happens to, it happens to the best of us. I mean, I just did an event with John Mack. well. And I'm like, man, I haven't sold 36 million books. You know, you're like, Ryan, he's 77.

You're 37. Give yourself some time to sell another book or two, you know. But even then, you're just like, what is wrong with me? So, no, man, we all get there at some point in our journey for sure. But I think you shared something really powerful there, which is like you had to be really mindful of your environment and sometimes change your environment. And I think it's supposed to, subtraction and addition. So like you spoke to subtraction, which is, I think, really healthy. Sometimes you've got to omit and reduce or block somebody or mute somebody for a while. Not because you're mad at them, but just because you're finding yourself envious or jealous.

But you also need some people. I think you've been this for me, Ryan, is like somebody that's taking you back to the things that matter. Yeah. Like, hey friend, can we just go back to the things that matter? You and I had a conversation like maybe eight months ago, nine months ago? And you had to take me back to some things that matter. like, bro, let me take you back here. You know, let's have, let's have a talk.

Yeah. And, and it was, man, it was pride. It was ego. It was comparison. Like there's, so all those things can creep up. No one is exempt from that. Yeah. Like, that's what I want people to know is like, it's okay to feel like, you're, no one is exempt from that. Yeah.

But sometimes you need a friend. Sometimes you got to add a friend. Sometimes you got to subtract a friend. Yeah. And sometimes you just got to take it to the Lord and say, God, thanks for what I have. Yeah. Last question for you. what I've loved about this whole episode is you've mentioned the Lord in almost every single one of your

answers. How has faith played a role in your business and in your relationships that has allowed you to be as successful as you are? I think it's everything. You know, first off, like, all good things come from above. So it's everything. It's the only reason we. are able to have this conversation or that we're able to coach or speak or teach.

Like, so it's all from him, you know. And I think that reality should cause us to talk about him and to praise him. You know, and I think I, I think the older I get, the more I'm coming to terms of the fact that I just don't have much figured out. You know, it's the paradox of education. The more you learn, the more you realize you don't know. But I've also, man, I'm reading to the Beatitudes right now in Matthew. about being poor in spirit. And I'll say this, man, I'm just, I'm thankful to serve a God who's really, really, really big.

So we don't have to be. You know, like John 330 says like, man, I become less so he becomes greater. And it's interesting, like, as God has opened doors and brought new relationships and help us expand our impact and influence, I'm becoming more aware how big he really is and how small I am. Sure. And that's been a really interesting journey. And I know that you're having that same sort of revelation. I think he gives that to us.

I think, you know, we pray for opportunities to know him deeper. And by the way, there's somebody listening that maybe is like, I don't even know what you guys are talking about. Like I'm not a believer. I'm not a Christian. You're making this all about Jesus. Like, I just want to encourage that person real quick. Like, you might not know Jesus.

And like, hey, we're, we would love for you to know him. But he does know you. And he has a plan for your life. That's right. And he has given you gifts. And so everything we're talking about is for you too. Like I just want somebody to hear that. I'm glad you said it.

This isn't just for Christians. Man, sometimes people that keep others from Christ, man, it's Christians. It's people who are like just acting like they have it all figured out. Like, man, Ryan and I don't have anything figured out. We're just broken people who are pursuing Jesus and want to know him better. So, yeah, man, faith has been everything to, us, Jesus has been everything to me.

And the only reason that we get to do what we do and that we have any of the opportunities that we have. So I appreciate that question. And I'll also say this, man, I love, love, love that you wear your faith on your sleeve. Yeah. Because you are on some major stages. You're in some settings. Sure.

Or the world is telling you, Ryan, don't do that. Do not do that. Like, do not do that. Don't, you can't do that. Like, this is corporate America. Like, be careful, be careful. Yeah. And I just love, man, that you, I think, I think you've been thoughtful.

I think you've been really, really mindful and thoughtful. And not even just with your words and the message, but how you carry and conduct yourself. Yeah. I think you're sharing Jesus with how you're carrying yourself, conducting yourself. Yeah. Just proud of you for that, man. Proud of you that you're making it about him and not about you. Yeah.

Yeah, dude, I would say, you know, when people ask me about how I intersect my faith with my business, I'm like, you mean, how do I intersect myself with myself? I mean, it's like, you know, I've been. I mean, I write about it in my book. It's not a Christian book, you know, but I say, hey, you know, there is this, you know, with me just as a person, as a black man, as a now 37-year-old, as a Christian, there are so many things that it's like, oh, well, what does this mean to the this audience.

Are they receiving from somebody that's black? Are they receiving from somebody that's inexperienced? He's just 37 years old. Okay, he's wearing Jordan's wearing Jordan's with the suit. Okay, well, he's a Christian. What do you mean? He preaches to it. I mean, you could just have all of these thoughts about,

is the world going to accept me? You know, and honestly, even in the church space, it's like, oh, is he just a business guy? like I'm not here to have a motivational speaker. I think someone's going to preach that gospel. And here's the deal. I just decided a long time ago, I'm just going to be who God's called me to be.

And I'm going to try and be really, really good at what I do. And what I've learned is, is when you get laser focus on your craft and confident in who God's called you to be, man, you'll do business with the people God wants you to do business with.

And you won't do business with the people. God doesn't want you to do business with. That's it. And it just is what it is. So for me, I am, I try to walk out my faith and how I treat people. And if someone in Q&A wants to ask questions about faith, I'll answer your questions about faith. But most companies have brought me in to talk about one of these two books. Yeah.

Leveling up or chasing failure. That's what we're talking about today. And if somebody goes, hey, how can I level up my faith? I'm glad you asked. I'm ready to go always. But, man, I think it's important that people know from the get-go. Like, my business has excelled, not because I got better. Yeah, that's, sure, I'm trying to get better, but that's not why the business excelled in my estimation.

My estimation is because my wife and I have been challenged on giving at a level that is absolutely absurd. And the only thing that's changed in the last four or five years for us is that our faith has been stretched in the area of what we give away. And we learned that the more we gave away, the more we had to give away. And so when people ask me how to grow their business, I'm like, are you sure you want my answer? Because I'm not Tony Robbins. I don't have this traditional, here's all of these business tips. I mean, I have those, but if you ask me about my personal experience,

I'm going, man, I could tell you the game changed when we made our business about what we give instead of what we get. And that was a game changer for us. So, yeah, I think, you know, I don't understand a business for me without faith. Because we're constantly putting ourselves out there and trying new things. And I think your response to that is what we're talking about, right? Right. And I don't know who first said it, right?

But that whole mantra, like, if you want to share the gospel, like, share the the gospel. If necessary, use words. Right. You don't have to use words to share the gospel. Like some of it is how you treat people. It's how you carry yourself. You know, that's how you steward your gifts. And so, man, you're, so you're doing that. And I'm proud of you for that. Absolutely. Honor to be on your show, man. This is so fun. Dude, thanks, thanks for being here, man. Jordan Montgomery, uh, what's the website that people could go to to learn more about you, your coaching, how people can get connected with you? Yeah, it's a Montgomerycom. Great.

And yeah, we would, we would love to help a listener in any way that we can. Send us a DM on a social media channel. If we can answer a question, we could spend some time. I can't help everybody, but man, I should try. I hope many of you as you can. Sure. And yeah, to your point, Ryan, like we've teamed up on the coaching side. And so just know that if you go to Ryan Leak coaching, you go to Montgomery Company.com, like,

we're going to be able to serve you, help you, support you. That's right. Ryan's built an incredible team. we feel really good about the team that we have. And yeah, I'd love to serve it help in any way that we can. Absolutely. Well, that link will be there in the show notes as well. So you can click on that link.

You can get to the same coaches through Jordan's site as you can. Ryan Lee. Jordan, once again, thank you so much for being on followership with Ryan Lee. My friends, my listeners, if you enjoy today's episode, do us a favor. Rate us five stars. That will be great. share, share with a friend, and as always, continue to subscribe. We'll see you next time.