The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Aaron Rodgers and the AFC and NFC QB Talent Gap. Plus, Chris Ryan on the Sixers and the Best TV Shows Ever.

Episode Date: March 14, 2023

Ryen opens with Aaron Rodgers reportedly being close to a move to the Jets and how that would create an even larger imbalance of quarterbacks between the AFC and NFC. Then he reacts to the Bears trading the no. 1 pick to the Panthers (0:45). Later, he chats with The Ringer’s Chris Ryan about no. 1–seed actors, the best TV shows, and what Chris is willing to believe the Sixers can accomplish this postseason (16:43). Finally, the guys close it out with some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (54:30). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Chris Ryan Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm going to share that with you. It's not close. And the reason I bring it up is because it sounds like Aaron Rodgers is on the move to the Jets. At least that's what we think. This drama plays out every single day. He obviously enjoys it all. But Trey Wingo had a tweet saying, like, look, this thing with the Jets is done.

So let's look and see what that means. We'll run through the AFC. We'll run through all the teams. I have a couple of sides about a couple of different quarterbacks here. Buffalo's got Josh Allen, Miami to a New England Mac kind of arrow down at this point. Rodgers to the Jets, let's say that Burroughs, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Lamar question Huntley on the roster Pittsburgh, Kenny Pickett, Cleveland to Sean Watson Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence

Ryan Tannehill on Tennessee, Matt Ryan decision for the Colts this week, they said it'd be this week we'll see what happens, and then Davis Mills in Houston you imagine that would probably change with the draft here Kansas City and the Chargers Mahomes, Herbert, those guys are pretty good. Vegas going all Pats backups with Jimmy G signing and now Stidham and then R. Wilson with the Denver Broncos. All right. The NFC has Hertz, who I'm going to look at the Sandoz top quarterbacks, the tier stuff that he did from

last summer, which is just a lot of fun. We love having him on. Ends up being a ton of debate, some good, some not so great. But between Hurts, who would likely flirt with being in the top 10, he might be the only NFC quarterback that you project to be a top 10 guy. Like when that thing comes out in the summer, and again, there's still some TBDs here with some of these teams, but that's kind of crazy to think. Like, wait, is Hurts going to be the only guy in the top 10 for Sandoz thing?

Or just us sitting around talking about it? I guess Dak could potentially flirt with it before you push back on that. Like, you know, it actually is getting a little light. Like, I felt for a couple of years, maybe the numbers skewed at all where it's like, man, the quarterback depth in this league is actually really good.

We might be hitting a stretch right now, especially when you look at the depth charts. You're like, wow, is half the league kind of screwed? So to keep it going, you got Daniel Jones. One year with the Giants. Huge improvement. He got his contract. We'll see. I'm not convinced on any of it yet, but at least it feels a lot more stable with the staff and the offense that they're running.

So that's a win for the Giants right now. I just don't know what it means. I've got to see it for like two years. Sam Howell on the roster for Washington. All right, Minnesota's got Cousins, Detroit, Goff. It'd be Jordan Love for Green Bay if Rodgers moves on, then Fields, Chicago. We're going to get to that Chicago trade moving out

of the number one pick here in a few minutes as well. Tampa Bay, Trask. Kyle Trask is the only quarterback under contract. has PJ Walker who's a restricted free agent Matt Corral New Orleans signed Carr Atlanta's got Ritter who had only four starts the end of the year they added Heineke so you know when you look at that division Trask PJ maybe or Carolina takes a guy number one which would obviously make a lot of sense for them moving up and then Atlanta you know you know, I don't know what to make a Ritter. I wouldn't feel good saying anything definitive either way. And Carr's, you know, Carr's good enough, especially for this division, which may be the reason they went ahead and signed him. for the surgery, it got pushed back. So if you look at the reports from when he just recently got the surgery, that would put him at throwing in mid-June, if that's to be believed. I have no idea if that'll happen or not. Trey Lance at the end of January said he was cleared and then sort

of retracted that and said he was fully cleared eight or nine days later, where he said, look, what I meant was running. It wasn't like it was this egregious thing he just kind of misspoke and made a mistake had to address it but that's a tbd with his ankle injury uh then they brought in sam darnold seattle just to touch on the geno smith fake contract for three years and 105 million when i saw the headline i went okay that's probably fake like Like almost every huge contract, you look at the first three years, you look at the cash, you look at the signing bonus and all that stuff.

This Gino thing is even close to $105 million. It's not. It's like three years, $75 million. Yes, there's some incentive stuff. If it really works out, any plays to the level he just played at, maybe even a little bit better. Maybe. I don't know if that's likely,

but the other thing that's kind of likely is this might be a one-year deal, whether it's $27 plus million in cash. When you go in and look at what this contract is, and this is not new, but it's just so weird that it's now 2023. We see the headline and then everybody's like, man, oh, wow, look at that. You never would have guessed that. Like, Gino, this is amazing. And again, I would have never even guessed that we'd be talking about Gino this way, even with a contract that was misleading. And by the way, I also don't blame the agents because no agent would be like, hey, I'm going to leak the deal.

It's done to the reporter. It could be 105, but it's definitely not going to do that. So, yeah, it's lower. Go with the it's way lower headline. But it's almost like every one of these contracts, we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it on any shows for like a week. Because when I dug into it this morning, the $40 million that's guaranteed, well, $12.7 million of that is because of injury, which isn't a likely thing to happen where he's just hurt and can't play again. So they could actually move on from this.

And that's why when Pete Carroll said this contract is not getting away, I was drafting another quarterback people are like wait what you're like oh well this is it feels like kind of like a one-year make good because his number at like 25 27 million for just one year for a quarterback that's on a veteran like extension that's actually pretty low that number is low when you look at the new reality of what some of these cap hits are for these quarterbacks the numbers keep escalating more and more as they should. Rams, Matthew Stafford, who knows what's going to happen there. And then you've got Kyler Murray in Arizona who is coming off an injury and a lot of questions. It's very rare that you would have this many dudes hint at a player being just a guy that doesn't seem to get it from the team standpoint.

But that's a massive contract, which you've already touched on. So you add it all up, what do you have? If you look at Sandoz QB tiers from July, and you put Rodgers in the AFC to the Jets, that's Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, Watson, and Lamar.

That's eight of the top ten in the AFC with the TBD on what's going to happen here with Lamar. The only top tens that were from the NFC, Brady retired, Stafford who has no chance at it. So Hurts, I would expect to move up because again, that middle area that felt like it was deep and people at least put up serviceable numbers in today's version of the NFL where there's some passing numbers where you'll look at a guy and go, wow, what a great statistical season. You're like, yeah, I still would want like 12 guys over that guy.

This middle gets really weird. When I was looking at the rankings again from July, like Hertz was 20th, which was totally fair. He was a question mark. I think he was a question mark even to the Philadelphia Eagles. I think all those questions have been answered. I'd like to see two awesome years like this where I go, hey, that's a guy I pencil in every single year.

But I'd imagine he's probably close to like top 10. I mean, hell, Baker was 19th last year in these rankings, and Hurts was 20th. Dak probably has a chance. I think Trevor Lawrence, who was 23rd last season, has a chance. If he were to jump up in the 10, again, he shouldn't be ahead of Hurts. I don't know that he should be ahead of Dak. Maybe some people look at it that way because, again, it's not just Sando doing this.

It's 50-plus people who work in the NFL, front office coaches, coordinating the whole deal. doing this it's 50 plus people who work in the nfl front office coaches um coordinate like the whole deal like it's it's a great resource information which also speaks to how different we can be in the way we see things so these are real dudes talking about it that could be i don't know nine eight of the ten it's it's bad it's really bad for the nfc and i do think we're at the very beginning or at least this past season, going into this next year, the beginning of, well, wait a minute, what happened to all the quarterback depth? So that brings us to the Bears and their decision to keep Fields, which, you know,

I think anything's on the table when you're running an organization. And at this point, Fields is in that group for me. If there was a tier, not with a number, but I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. The running was cool, man. The running was really cool. The sack totals are insane. Some of that is not on him. Some of it is on him. The interception stuff, not just the numbers or the percentage of interceptions, the decision-making was like, what did you see there? I think it's problematic at the same time, but he didn't have any playmakers, which speaks to maybe going, hey, look, we could take another pick, but we don't like the receiver market, which we already mentioned.

There's not another guy that's available for trade, or at least we don't have that move to make now. Maybe it's a little bit later. Maybe something else happens in front of the draft. And the Bears wanted to put this all to bed for Justin Fields, which I think some people can look at and say, well, there's tremendous value in ending all of the debate, all the soap opera BS stuff.

Yeah, I think there's some. I think some of it can be a little overstated. I think it sounds cool in a column. I think it sounds good in kind of wrapping it up and spinning the positive to all this. But I feel like the prices always go up. If you're one of the other teams that desperately wants Stroud or wants Bryce Young or wants Will Levis

or some of this Anthony Richardson stuff that's taken off, which I keep Carolina talking about, potentially going number one with him. I feel like the closer you get to the draft, there's more pressure, and the team that doesn't have a quarterback that looks around being like, we've got to do something. We've got to figure this out. So I wonder if that price could have gone up,

because the price the Bears received for that number one pick from Carolina was the ninth pick, so they moved down eight this year. They get the 61st pick this year. They get a first rounder in 24. They get a second rounder in 25. So really, if you look at history, some of these trades have involved like three firsts going over. Some of the prices seem lighter than this. This feels like in the last decade plus kind of like a middle price.

So it's not overwhelming, which always leads me to like, why would you do it now? And if your point or the Bears point or the counters, it's great to do it for fields, you know, it'd be great to do it for fields, have the most assets you could possibly have for him. Like patting somebody in the back and looking at him going, you're our guy, buddy, is actually not as valuable as having more draft capital. All right. And you can factor in all these different things. If you go, hey, they should have gotten more from this. All right. But there isn't maybe that sure thing, can't miss prospect, which still misses at times at number one. So that changes the price.

The trade value chart, which I thought was comically flawed, and I don't even know how much people, but it still gets referenced every now and then because, again, the price, if it was a can't miss guy, again, Trevorrence is kind of creeping into that andrew luck was certainly that when he was coming out number one first of all the team probably wouldn't even trade that pick that would have been a different conversation for fields if it was that kind of quarterback prospect right but with this class i think you

can sign off on fields and you've already invested the pick into them on top of everything else so there's a bunch of different things that i'm kind of throwing at you here. It just felt like with DJ Moore, who's five years, he's caught 364 balls, 5,200 plus yards, 21 touchdowns. The weird number is that he had 364 catches on 616 targets. That's not a great ratio. But before I go too far with that, you have end of the road Cam Newton, Heineke, Kyle Allen, Will Greer, Teddy Bridgewater, P.J. Walker, Sam Darnold, Wash Cam, Baker, and more Sam Darnold throwing the football, well, that's an argument for the G.J. Moore crowd that's out there. So if you look at the history, and I'm not going to spend too much time on this,

when the Rams moved up for golf, they traded Tennessee, the number 15 pick, two second rounders, they got a third back, they got another first, and ended up being fifth overall, which might have been why the Bears wanted to pair with Carolina. And I'm trying to just think of all the different factors here where they're like, hey, Carolina's definitely going to be bad next year. So let's just go ahead and lock in that top 10 pick that we know instead of trading with somebody else that maybe turns.

Like when you do the Mahomes trade that Buffalo did, Buffalo traded out of 10. They got Kansas City's number 27 that year, a third, and then a 2018 first. You're like, yeah, Kansas City kind of has some shit together. Not that anybody thought that necessarily this was going to happen with Mahomes, but you get my point. Your trading partner may be more important than the actual position or overall haul. The Wentz trade was a lot of stuff. The RG3 one, man, that was a ton. Number six,

a second rounder, a first and 13 and 14 for the Rams number two pick. So they didn't even control the draft. What you're doing here to Carolina is you're letting them now control the draft. They control it all. It can seem like it's not that big of a deal from number one to number two or just move up one spot, which the Bears did in the past, moving for Mitch, where that price wasn't nearly as much. I guess to just look at it all again, step back from all the things I'm throwing at you, is the first time I heard about the trade, I went, all right, I guess that's okay, which makes me go, why would you do it now, which I still think I'm right about. I think people are overstating the ending the soap opera

part of it because assets are more important than that stuff that doesn't really matter. Because if your guy's not wired to handle that stuff, then he's probably not going to work out. I don't want a quarterback who's really sensitive. I don't because it's a brutal position. And we still don't know what Fields is. Like I said before, you put him in that category of guys like, I don't know, TBD on that one. But we do know this, even with this draft class and Carolina having the number one pick, the gap between quarterbacks in these two conferences is probably as staggering as I've ever seen it. This March, take your first shot at College Hoops with FanDuel Sportsbook and get 10 times

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or visit 1-800-GAMBLER.NET in West Virginia. Chris Ryan joins us. Massive contributor. Got a new Rewatchables out, Bad Boys, the one you're not thinking of. Yeah, 1983. Yeah, what's going on with that one? That was an old sports guy, Audible, right at the line.

He saw what the defense was offering him. And he was like, let's do this. I hadn't seen it in forever. But man, it is really, really good. It's Sean Penn and Isai Morales in a reform school in Chicago in the early 80s. And some gangs, some violence. It's all the things that make a really special podcast. I have a bunch of basketball stuff I want to get to.

Also, you can check them out with Andy on The Watch twice a week. It's terrific. It's one of my favorite pods here at The Ringer. Thanks, man. Was Sean Penn, with the tournament approaching and people filling out their brackets, was Sean Penn ever a one seed? I think right around here, he's like, oh, this freshman class is amazing.

Maybe if they stay together for another year, this could happen. And so it's like this at close range, Falcon and the Snowman taps fast times. He's putting together this resume. And then it's funny, we talk about it on the pod, but the Madonna thing kind of comes in and derails it for a few years. But then he kind of emerges as a character actor and does Carlito's Way and Casualties of War and all these things.

Goes on to win the Oscar with Deadman. But I don't know if he ever became a movie star. So if winning the tournament or being a one-seat is a movie star, I don't know if he ever totally achieved that. Yeah, I think a one seed as a movie star i i don't know if he ever like totally achieved that yeah i think a one seed is is you know it's not one person but at one point like the handful like who would be the one seeds right now like leo's undefeated duke yeah yeah chalamet i think is like

he's a one seed so i mean he's excited yeah he's he's probably the biggest young star, him and Tom Holland. Holland can't be a one seed. He's got to do more stuff. Yeah, he's got to do something without the Spider-Man outfit. Right. I think that's a requirement for all guys. At some point, you got to take off the Spider-Man outfit, you know? Is Damon a one or is he a two? I feel like Damon is kind of aging into that Syracuse era. You know, every once in a while, they'll throw the zone out and it'll really surprise you. But for the most part, Damon is kind of aging into that Syracuse era.

You know, every once in a while, they'll throw the zone out and it'll really like surprise you. But for the most part, he's kind of like an old lion at this point. He's older than I am. Poor guy. Yeah, because like, Hanks is probably still a one, right?

Gosh, what's the last Hanks movie that came out and just popped though? I don't know. I put you on the spot here. I mean, I think Captain Phillips. Yeah, that's one seed stuff. But like, I still can't figure out what that accent was. He's got some accents where because he's Tom Hanks, they've like, hey, just leave him alone. Just let him work it out.

Just let him cook. Yeah. We're not going to worry about it all that much. Yeah. I think the man called Otto, is that what it's called? Yeah. I know that's not for me. I just know it isn't.

Did you dial that up on Apple TV? I did watch some Finch. Yeah. It felt a bit like Castaway, but with space stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. I'm trying to think of the last movie that, like, really, really crushed for him.

Where it was like, he's the guy. The Post, I guess. I suppose. Post was great. But we're, you know back going back in the books here so maybe he's not a one seat anymore i don't know i guess i was just trying to think about this when when i saw that you were doing a sean penn thing because there was a moment there if you're a certain age where like he kind of was the it guy yeah he also was like the new hollywood bad

boy on top of everything else and i think he embraced it all and that's why a close range when you watch that movie you're like how much is this like I don't know much of a deviation this is and Sean Penn was very good at kind of the look like especially in that movie he'd give you a look and that was that was perfect for him where I don't know he had kind of like his go to

look and it just sort of worked and maybe that's like something from an older era of Hollywood yeah it was you talking to me look you know it was a little bit of that did you were from an older era of Hollywood. Yeah, it was his you talking to me look, you know? Yeah. It was a little bit of that. Were you a big State of Grace guy? I like State of Grace.

Yeah, he's great in that. That was my favorite of his for a long time. He's so good in Carlito's way, though. He's so good as the lawyer. And Carlito's way is awesome. Dave Kleinfeld is just the most amazing character name. He really is a Dave Kleinfeld in that movie. I wonder if there are Dave Kleinfelds just the most amazing character name. He really is a Dave Kleinfeld in that movie. I wonder if there are Dave Kleinfelds being like, you know...

What do you mean by that? I don't need this. I guess, before we move on, to round out the rest of it, is Bale a one seed or is he not box office enough? Talent-wise, I think he is. I would put Bale up there with anybody else. If you're talking Damon, you have to include Affleck. i guess damon always feels a bit like i don't know maybe he's underseated as a two but it's just hard to compare anyone to dicaprio because dicaprio seems to be like oh

he's in it yeah okay then it's for everybody and i don't think anybody's even at that tier maybe he's the only one seat as the exercise when we when we went through dicaprio's career from we did catch me if you can a couple weeks ago and like, oh, this guy just worked with Spielberg and Scorsese and all the other best directors. His magic potion is only work with the best filmmakers, really. And so it's almost like his career is the kind of thing that you can... It's really hard to replicate. You can have really good taste, but it's hard to be like, oh yeah, Martin Scorsese decided I was the next Robert De Niro and we just made eight movies together. Right. That's what it is. I mean, I'd imagine Scorsese's

probably good at figuring out who can carry any one of these roles. Yeah. And I don't know if this is a new thing, if it happened kind of like, it's not new-new, but kind of the Owen Wilson wilson thing where it's like oh owen wilson's in it okay i'm getting owen wilson for an hour and a half two hours

and dicaprio even though there's some beats that are similar it's just i don't know it seems like he has more range than a lot of the people in the last 10 plus years 20 years of movies that we've seen oh yeah and and just has the best, which ultimately is what the number one seed thing really comes down to, is picking the right stuff. Okay. Alright. Moving on to a different kind of seeding. What are you allowing yourself to talk yourself into about who the Sixers could be in the playoffs? You don't want to know. It's getting

a little bit psychedelic over here. Especially with these last 15 games, because this is an experience that I haven't really had in the last couple of years, which is just kind of not dissimilar from how I felt about the Eagles during the regular season after a certain point, which is this kind of

calm, which is not a really common experience emotionally for Philadelphia sports fans. I think that they talk themselves into a complete frenzy all the time. But with the Sixers, they're down 15. And I'm like, I think they could still win this

with four minutes left. And the Sixers are up 15. And I'm like, they got this. We're not going to get shot out of this game. We're not going to flop this one. And that's strange. I haven't felt that way pretty much since the process started.

So to be in this place where I'm like, I think we have the best player on the planet. I think Harden's playing the best basketball he has in a couple of years. I actually like watching Harden play. And then you've got Maxie, who's just kind of like your prototypical, like, of course, all Philly fans are drunk on Maxie.

It's just a kind of great time to watch this team. And, you know, I think that Embiid not actively... I mean, you could say he's campaigning by not campaigning, but coming out of the Oscars, I don't feel like Embiid is campaigning for the MVP. I feel like he's getting a lot of MVP-type moments, game-winning shots, going up against Jokic and kind of coming out the victor in that first game against Denver.

But I don't feel like he's going around being like, what do I have to do to win this? I deserve it, blah, blah, blah. So it's just been like this kind of incredible role for the last 15 games, especially, but really since Christmas. Yeah, he might not be doing it, but certainly plenty of people are, which I do think at times convinces him that everybody's out to get him because it happened in the All-Star thing. He was like, oh, here we go. Like, yeah, you know, so I don't I actually feel bad when he says that stuff because it's like, actually, I don't think that's really how people

see you. When you did say best player in the world. Do you think he's the best player in the world right now? On any given night? Yeah. I mean, like the answer, though. No, I know. But I so are we talking about the MVP? Are we talking about even talking about the best players? Like how many players do you think are ahead of him right now? Because the world, best player in the world, best player in the league,

all that kind of stuff. I mean, we say world because it sounds more dramatic as if there's like this other... Yeah, there's some guy at Real Madrid. It's just like... You know who's actually sneaky good? You guys haven't been watching any Serbian hoops. Yeah, this guy.

It's MVP in that distinction. I think are different things. Other people may see it differently. So go ahead. No, I mean, that's a good question. I think that I think Giannis feels and looks like the best player in the world. Like he carries himself as such. He's pretty much

a complete basketball package. It's really hard to nitpick his game. Embiid is very close for me. I think that when I think about that kind of distinction, I think about an all-around player and Embiid's contributions on defense, which I think probably reputationally is a little bit bigger than what he actually does.

Sometimes you can see him taking some plays off or taking some stretches off. But it's still... I think I was listening to you the other night with Bill talking about... What is that? That lob to Claxton that Jokic is just like, Nah, I'm good.

But it's like they wouldn't even try it with Embiid. He still has a kind of aura around him that I think is important. But yeah, I think Giannis is probably the best player in the world but but Embiid's my guy I do think the size thing is just an impediment to your plan is a really first of all it's very hard to figure out like I remember we're in the early Sloan days where I think they had a panel this year on mining inefficiency and public bitching but I may not have seen that one uh

it's somebody wrote a paper it's like the block shots like the most overrated thing of all time and it's you know came down to simple math like you don't get the possession back right because nobody blocks it to keep it in bounds i don't know if that could be something that would evolve i know simmons always brings it up all the time because of bill russell i'm like i don't know man blocking shots is like really hard already and then to time it where you're keeping it in bounds and play for your position maybe maybe that's the next evolution of it does that not account for the fact that it makes your fans go absolutely apeshit when it happens and like it's one of the only things that can happen on defense that people actually get excited about and that certain offensive players when it happens to them

have no interest in trying to have it happen again. So it was a paper where I understood the math, and then people got excited about it. And I was like, this is one of those things where it's separate of what basketball means. And so back to the original point that's very pro-MB, is that he's going to make Giannis feel him in a way that, I don't know that there's really another matchup that can. And to Giannis' credit, I think I love the fact that he's like,

I'm up for it. Let's go. I mean, I almost feel like that back and forth into Giannis' credit. I think I love the fact that he's like I'm up for it. Let's go. I mean, we've gotten I almost feel like that back and forth between Giannis and Embiid in some of these games, even regular season games and the times it looked like Giannis wanted to steal Ben Simmons' soul from him as well, where he's like, this guy's supposed to defend me. I love

I think we've had some awesome, even going back years ago, some awesome Philadelphia Milwaukee games. Yeah, I think that Boston usually gets brought up as their big rival and they have like that this sort of the history and also the transactional history with Fultz and Horford and

you know like all that stuff but Milwaukee is definitely the team that I I feel like it's just fun to watch them play sports against each other whereas Boston it's just kind of like this pit in my stomach and it's just like I can't believe it's happening again Jesus Christ Bill and all this stuff but like

Milwaukee's actually just like an awesome game to watch you know what I mean like they're they're very evenly matched they do different things they play different ways I think Bud and Doc are pretty different coaches in a lot of ways and what they try to do and so it's kind of like a it's the rivalry I wish was sort of more was more of the foreground than the boston one because the

boston one at this point is kind of like in my head yeah but you got that super bowl you get the improbable super bowl that nobody not but staying on like the mb big thing i remember like when the lakers kept like they brought dwight back and there was another player in there and i remember i talked to somebody about the Lakers. And I wasn't, it wasn't like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Which isn't a great way to ask a question to somebody who actually works with the team. But it was kind of like a passive, like, hey, that's sort of interesting. And he said something that I've never really, you know, stopped thinking about with team building.

And he goes, you know, sometimes you just need to be big. Sometimes it's just, like, great to be just big down there and have you feel you know that there's a presence there's a thought like you're going in there it doesn't mean he has to be you know peak akim elijah on it's just like let's be fucking big let's like let's have an option to be big and that's completely dismissed with the five out stuff which still may be the right deal. And seeing centers get abused at the ends of some of these playoff games and switches because they're afraid nothing else is going to work and certain players will be attacked.

But Philly has somebody that's also one of the three best offensive players in the league who presents that. So that's the part of it where I feel like Embiid, I don't really care what some of the defensive stuff is. I just know when I watch it, I go, there's more there. And I like that Portland win. I think the Portland win, instead of like, I can't believe you're letting this team hang around this long, I thought it was a really long stretch for Philly. And to be able to come back and then do that and

have your guy hit the game winner. Like I look at that win as a really important win, despite thinking that it's not close in talent between the two teams. And it felt like those were the games maybe earlier in the season certainly last year that they were just like ah we screwed that up oh well we're going home you know they stick around now and I think that they think that they deserve to win these are

all kind of euphemisms I don't know if that's like if that translates in any kind of like hard way but I feel it as a fan watching or as a person watching to like, to derive content out of it. It's been a strange season for me because like, I usually would be more of like, like doing the national thing where it's like,

you're trying to watch as many games as possible and make sure you're covering all the storylines. And this has been almost more of a beat reporter season for me where I just watch Sixers games. Cause I'm just doing the Philly special. And so you notice all these little wrinkles of teams, you know, like where you're like, oh, yeah, you know, like they're tired tonight. Or, oh, yeah, like this guy doesn't have it tonight. Or, oh, yeah, they're starting to buy into this a little bit.

And I think that they are starting to buy into it. I don't think I don't think you win a Portland game like that where you're sort of giving it away. And then and then you can see them just sort of be like, no, no, not tonight. Yeah, which is a complete difference from what we saw from Boston last night, where you're like, okay, they'll figure this out eventually. They'll figure this out eventually.

And then they make their run. And it's like, wait, now you guys can't stop Houston again? Like, I know Simmons had a tweet about it last night, but if you're watching the Celtics every night in the last two weeks, I mean, the irony is after the Philly win on a Saturday night, Tatum hits the game winner. Here you go. Boston's not worried about Philadelphia when it comes down to it. If they're going to play in a playoff series, the game could have gone either way, obviously, with the Embiid shot

there at the end. But like almost since that moment, you're looking at Boston going, what the hell's wrong with you guys? And there's like a lag that they have. Smart is a mess. Grant Williams seems like he's totally detached from it in the last few weeks. And I's like a lag that they have. Smart is a mess. Grant Williams seems like he's totally detached from it in the last few weeks. And I would argue Jalen Brown's been their best player the last couple weeks.

And Philly went the opposite direction. Like Philly could have taken their toys and gone home after losing to Boston again and being like, shit, I guess we're just

we're going to be third place. Like that's just like we're always going to be third. We're always going to be a second round team or something. And instead they kind of went out and kicked ass.

They went on their road trip. They played great on the road trip. They have had some real, there's just no sweat wins here. And obviously, the Milwaukee game was a signature victory for the season. Yeah, since that win, Boston is 3-5. And the Houston loss was bad. It was last night. I don't know how many people were locked into that,

especially with better options with Golden State putting up an insane first half against a Phoenix team. And then, you know, Milwaukee-Sacramento I was looking forward to all weekend. And it kind of played out exactly like Giannis had what he should have had for the ABC Saturday night game. He has it on a Monday at Sacramento. Can get lost a little bit there.

If Giannis has that kind of game on Saturday night, the MVP conversation takes a non-MV turn this entire week. But it's a Monday in Sacramento, so it's not going to get the same kind of love, even though he decided, hey, enough of this shit. I'm winning this game now. I was wondering if you remember an MVP race,

and this is certainly one of those, that's been dictated so much by exposure. Because I was thinking about the Embiid-Jokic game that's going to be at the end of the month, and that's on Monday on NBA TV. I think that's probably still during the tournament too. But that is like, I was joking

around with Raheem on Ringer Special about how that's like a loser-le game like if if imbeed somehow topples yokich in denver that's going to be this incredible statement on it but it's it's so fascinating to see like these this race come down to like who's playing who when on what channel at what day yeah because i think the the yokich imbeed matchup and again i think it's always a mistake to think like social media is a really good indicator of how it's really playing out but social media loves mb and they love hating on yokich um and that was kind of what bill and i were doing on sunday it's like just to say it's close doesn't mean you're a fucking moron who's

never watched basketball before because it is actually close but that the momentum the recency of it the fact that Embiid got him in the first matchup this year like it's going to be a big big deal and I don't know that people can prevent themselves like I don't know that you can go back and be like okay let's look at the October November January February March month-to-month stuff yeah you know I don't think I don't think a lot of people do that, where you're going, it's supposed to be the entire season, but it's the same thing with the college football polls. Like, people cannot help themselves. Like, oh, you lost a close one on the road to a team that's equal to you?

I got to jump five teams ahead of you now. They're like, wait a minute. Like, they were favored. They're supposed to be better than us. We show that we're a possession away, and now we're worse than these other teams that wouldn't be able to do the same thing. So the polls, not maybe the best best analogy but there's some similar components to it where i the other thing too is i don't know that yokich is we'll see we'll see like bill said i don't

think he even cares i'm like i'm sure at some point some part of yokich is like hey winning three mvps and being the third to ever do it would be a really cool thing. And if Jokic wouldn't take it seriously and Embiid does take it seriously, then that's going to decide it for a lot of people on top of everything else. And be like, wait, you don't like, where are you at with it? But I also would contend, which I also brought up, is that physically Jokic never is impressive. It's never as impressive until you like, look at what he's doing. It's never as impressive until you look at what he's doing. Because while he's doing it, you're like, wait, what is he doing again? Where Embiid, when he's doing it, it seems like this unstoppable force that you're just so enamored with every time he steps foot on the court. Yeah, it's like you have to kind of put yourself almost in the... What if you brought a guy in a time machine from 2001 and showed him a Jokic game? Can you imagine what he would think of this behemoth running

point up the court and then directing all of his teammates about where they should stand for his pass? And it would just be like, I can't believe that... I feel like I've seen Technicolor for the first time. But on a night-to-night basis, yeah. Jokic is not taking...

I don't think... Maybe it's also because Embiid is a good dramatist. And Embi think maybe it's also because Embiid is a good dramatist. And Embiid takes those falls. And Embiid is playing to the crowd. And Embiid, I think, kind of has more of the emotional arc of the game running through him. Whereas Jokic is like,

I'm punching the clock. I'm going to do my thing and I'm going to get this win. Honestly, I think that these sort of quote-unquote big matchups are honestly really redemptive for the regular season. I honestly I think that these sort of quote unquote big matchups are honestly like really redemptive for the regular season I think we need more of them I think we need more

like this is a hugely important game for an individual award when essentially like the seedings are kind of like locked in a lot of these places I think it's fantastic to have like a hey man don't make don't make any plans Monday night you'll get your plan at six we don't have don't make any plans monday night yoga gym be your plan at six oh we don't have enough of it i mean any of the net six or stuff like no one should downplay

it no one that's playing in it no one that's covering it those of us that are talking about it i wanted more of that shit i wanted ben simmons getting booed like crazy and that game feeling like it had a little extra to it i loved when the clippers it felt like i remember van pelko and like who the clip who hates the clippers the most And we went through like six teams in the West. We couldn't figure out which one hated them the most when it was Lob City between Paul, Blake, and DeAndre. You're like, man, they get to beef with everybody all the time. Portland, Houston, Golden State. I mean, the list just goes on and on. I was looking forward to Kyrie and Dylan Brooks the last two games. Didn't get it either time. So

even with Trey Lyles and the Giannis stuff at the end, I don't know that we're going to get Bucks Kings in the NBA Finals, but this part of the season, we grew up with certain teams where you knew they didn't like each other, and we're in a bit of a void. We're in a real void of like, hey, that guy doesn't like that

guy, and I want more people to not like each other. So I try not to ever get mad at it. Yeah, I mean, it's not even like, I'm not even looking for fights. I just want people to be like, this is bragging rights, man. Like, we got to get these guys. I cannot lose them.

And I think that that's one of the things that often drives me crazy about the Celtics rivalry with the Sixers is that I can tell it bothers the Sixers more than the Boston cares about it. I'm sure Boston and Horford especially is just not especially a big fan of the

Sixers organization, or at least the Sixers. But it seems like that one is one of those things where you're the one who spends all week thinking about how you're going to dress some kid down in the cafeteria and you get there and the kid's like, who are you again? Boston's a little bit more like, yeah, it's a Wednesday night, man.

And Philly's like, we've been talking about this for two weeks. Okay, so does that mean in a playoff series you're picking them against the Celtics right now? Confidence test. Monday. Tuesday, excuse me. Yeah, right now. Against the Bucs, you're picking them? I really like them against the Bucs, you're picking them? I really like them against the Bucs.

I really like them against the Bucs. I'm not going to add. I'm not going crazy here. I'm trying to keep it within the rails. I think the inner dialogue is a little more aggressive than the outer dialogue from Chris on this one. Okay. Dare I suggest Doc Rivers deserves any credit for...

Doc extension? Can we do that? Is it too early? There's nights where I'm like, oh, okay, I see what he did here. You know, the adjustments thing is so overplayed. Like, oh, tell me an adjustment he made. Like, oh, well, he moved the guys up here.

The adjustments he makes is somehow when we're down a guy, he's a better coach. When somebody's got a night off or somebody gets hurt or he loses two guys, like we lost Tucker and Harris against the Bucs, he just seems to know what to do. And I don't know if that's experience or if it's luck or what.

Maybe it's both. But he's pretty good at playing with a hand tied behind his back. And that's going to be useful in the playoffs. Yeah, but with his three massive failing grades where I gave up after the Atlanta one, I was like, okay, I know he's a good coach. I think there's a personality part of it too

that plays well. But then I remember somebody telling me, no, there's this massive disconnect. The number of times you'll hear about a team and the head coach, like, oh, these guys aren't on the same page. And the guy's like, they were four more years. You're like, I guess that wasn't that great of info,

or maybe it was accurate, didn't mean anything. But the doubt meter, do you think the doubt meter is higher for Harden or Doc once this thing gets real? Because I don't think MB deserves to be on that doubt meter because there are certain players, I feel like, that haven't advanced in the playoffs I feel like that haven't advanced in the playoffs that they just haven't advanced

and there's other players I feel like that haven't advanced in the playoffs and they should look in the mirror. Harden I think has played that doubt away from me and maybe there's like a bunch of people in Houston right now who are like first time. Yeah you know like I don't know

they seem to want him back. I know. But I think that this version of Harden that I've been watching just seems like the greatest pickup player in the world. He's just kind of like I roll up my speed.

I know how to get him beat the ball where he needs it. I can hit some threes when they're needed. Sometimes I'll score 18. Sometimes I'll score 38. I might dial up 20 assists today. It's like he's kind of they're needed. Sometimes I'll score 18. Sometimes I'll score 38. I might dial up 20 assists today. It's like

he's kind of got the world on a string in that regard. And then I like the amount of contact he's taking right now. He seems to be really using his body in a smart way. It's not... I mean, at least from my eyes, I'm sure that if you're not a fan of the Sixers and you're watching, it's like you're like, same old

hardened bullshit. But I feel like he's not doing the head snap, back, arms fly up in the air drive as much this year. I'm not saying that his hamstrings aren't going to snap as soon as it gets intense in the playoffs, but I think that it's hard

to answer that question because for Harden, it's almost more of a physical stamina thing and for Doc, it's more of a management aptitude thing. So I don't know whether I doubt one more than the other. And I think that I'm just so surprised that I've become a Harden guy

in this point in my life that it's like I guess it's more doubt on Doc. Okay. Alright. Last topic here. Can you think of a guy like Hard harden for me that you've had like a 360 on i mean i wouldn't even say i have a hardened poster in my room but like i've just like really enjoyed the experience this season can have you ever come full circle on a guy uh well i think your full circle direction is is being driven by selfishness on top of everything else.

Sure. I mean, to be fair. So I love it for Embiid. I love that it's like, hey, this is what it's like to have a guy who knows how to get an entry pass in. We haven't had that entire career. Right. His entire career. Poor fucking guys, like seven feet out from the elbow, catching it with his back to the basket while dudes are staring at him you know yeah not that i you know the hardened off ball stuff will never sit well with

me because i think it's a decision to make you're like wait you don't want to cut or anything yeah i think in the playoffs you know we'll see we shall see uh so it has to be somebody i didn't like in that i ended up being like you know what i really like him now but i'd have to it'd have to be like probably from my childhood for me to still be that passionate about rooting for the outcome of it. Because unfortunately, that part of me is gone, which is definitely healthier, but I definitely miss it too. Like I miss, I miss caring about it, but I also don't miss caring about it, which if

that makes any sense, it's a, it's a tough answer for me. Cause like the first one that jumped in my head was Reggie Jackson, which isn't the answer you're looking for. All right? I didn't like Reggie Jackson with the Thunder. I didn't like him with the... I like the players in the NBA

that go, you know what? This is actually who I'm going to be. We don't like to put a ceiling on anyone, but there's a growing up in the NBA where it's like,

all right, I've got to find my place. And I thought for a couple of years there were the Clippers. I was like, oh, you know, he really has kind of figured out who he is. Reggie Jackson's not who you were looking for for that one.

So I'd have to get back to you on that. Okay. I don't think, because here's the point, Chris, is that if Harden were on, you know, let's just put him on this. I don't know.

I'm trying to think of like the perfect, let's say there's no Luca and James Harden's on the Dallas Packers. Yeah, he's the guy on Dallas. Right? Yeah. You wouldn't be as invested as. No, I wouldn't be like, Dallas is on. the perfect let's say there's no luca and james hard yeah he's the guy in dallas right yeah you wouldn't be as invested as no i wouldn't be like dallas is on yeah you know like you know what

this harden guy he is he's a-okay in my book no all right last thing i want to touch on here where is succession i'm making you rank a lot of shit today i should have given you more of a heads up but That's okay. I know you're good. I feel like you're getting me back for Bill being like, Ryan, top 11 white shooting guards to come out of the Big East. He tells me that he does it because I'm better in the moment. And I'm like, no, you don't.

I'm like, no, you don't. He had one where he was like, oh, way i did my top 25 whatever and i was like what i was like you didn't tell me any i was like you should at least tell me this is the exercise i don't need to give my 25 but like let me and he was like no no it'd be better this way i actually think it's not evil i believe that it's he just thinks it's something an hour before we're about to tape and then he does it and then he has an encyclopedic dump of that person's like entire history. And you're just like, yeah,

it sounds good. Yeah, man, that's crazy. That happened. You are correct, sir. Okay.

So what's, what's your number one? Yeah, I see. I know you can do this because you, you talk about it outside of the sports thing. Television shows is what's your number one, my number one show of all time?

Of all time. Probably The Wire, still. Yeah. No, it's played, but I don't care. Yeah, I mean, I think that the combination of the sheer achievement of it as a piece of intellectual work on top of it being so gripping

is really tough to top for me. And it also hit at a time in my life where I was like, this is exactly the show that I want. I can't believe television is this good. Okay. Now, what's number two? I'm actually... Top 35. We're going to do top 35.

Yeah, okay. So should we start at 35? Gilmore Girls? No. I would probably say 2 is still Breaking Bad. And I think that it may be because of the totality of the Better Call Saul achievement and the entire thing that they did.

But I think at its best, that show is kind of on another level for me. All right. I'd have Mad men too for me i don't think it needs i'm not that original they're all like those those shows are all in the top five like i think that there's a couple of uh things like you know like i was a huge justified fan and i think justified was actually like a criminally underrated show um i was a huge Justified fan. And I think Justified was actually like a criminally underrated show. I was a huge Eastbound and Down fan.

If you're including comedy in that category or in this sort of like rarefied air. But Succession is, we've had this conversation a little bit around. It has a chance. Yeah, it does. It does. And I think that ending in season four

is the right thing. I think that they've kind of like come to the conclusion of this question that the show has been asking, you know, the show is like, what will these kids do? And what will Logan do to either protect or to get his kingdom?

And I just think that if they made this a six, seven season show, and it was just like, Oh, Roman blew up another satellite, you know, like it could be, I,

I, I thought about this. it could be veep you could just do this show forever you could bring new people in you there every year there could be a new villain or whatever but like i think if in a dramatic terms this is the right time for its end yeah it's not going to end up like lost we're lost i would say is up there for me because it was so fucking cool. It was different. Uh, it was huge.

And then, you know, depending on what you believe on the research of, of like how it mapped out or, and you can probably correct me on this, but it was like, Hey, can you throw another season in there?

Just, yeah, this thing's crushing. And then it's like, Oh, and then it gets a little weird and then it kind of comes back and it figures it out. It's just so hard to do this.

It's so hard to go, Hey, here's the idea for the show. And then here's my five seasons and here's why they all make sense and here's an ending that wraps it all up but like the standard for where this one is like not to use the mount rushmore thing but the ending could put this right up there with those other shows for me yeah i mean and so not to not to give it what i mean i don't know if there are people listening to this segment who haven't watched the third season but i think one of the weird things that happened last season was when

it was suggested that Kendall might be dead for essentially a week in between those two episodes. I was like, this would be the bravest thing the show could possibly do. It's not that every dramatic storyline needs to end in a death for it to be significant, but I thought that this guy actually finally getting chewed up and spit out by this world would have been such a profound way to talk about what this family is and what this father did to his kids and how they processed it. And then they just dialed it back five points. And they were like, No, no, no, no. He's fine.

And he's back. And now he's going to go for the company again. And then we're going to run it all back. And so I think that any more moments like that where they would take it up to the edge of sort of, oh, this is actually real. This is actually significant. Like something terrible happened. And then pull it back from the edge. I don't think you can do that very many times

and not lose the trust of the viewer. But I think that at its best and on a week-to the viewer um but i think that i think that at its best and and i guess just to interrupt yeah it becomes like gold rush where it's like oh my god they have to stop sluicing like oh they fixed it you know yeah every one of those shows that has any mechanical stuff it's like oh we're going to break could be a flood yeah they figured they they were able to get the excavator across um so sorry i interrupted you but you're right like i like what you're saying about if you can't keep playing that fucking note over and over and over again yeah i mean i just saw the um the new scream movie and i i really

enjoy those films but like they've now gotten to the point where uh being stabbed in the stomach is not fatal you know like because they just keep And they'll just be like, no, no! We got a faint pulse! They're okay! And I don't want that to happen to Succession. What do you want it to be? What do you want the end to be? I'm sure you've thought of it. You and Andy talked about... With him running a show...

Yeah, we've talked a little bit about it. I don't have a clubhouse favorite in this. I think that there are some very funny outcomes like Connor or Greg winding up running the company. I think it needs to end where it began, which is this guy dying, essentially. I think that this has been watching this guy decay

over the course of the last few seasons and refusing to give up power. And I think that that's probably where it's going to go, if I had to guess. I'm wondering if Shiv's going to win. You pulling for it? I could do this with any of the characters. I mean, Kendall never gets this.

No. It doesn't work out for the Kendals, right? No. So then Roman would be the real wild card. Connor would be, it would feel like it was flat. But like, you could argue that Shiv is more deserving and the most fucked with, even more so than Kendall. Sure. Because Kendall is probably still the one Logan would like it to

work out with, even though he knows it can't. But Shiv gets teased I think more than Kendall does, or at least she gets teased in a way where it actually feels like, oh, I'm not doing anything. Like, I'm not doing the things that Kendall's doing, so I'm more deserving of it. And

maybe the end is that it's none of those endings. That they said hey we're ending it four seasons in we're not going to eight seasons where it's the same jokes and the same stuff even though i could watch them talk without the story going anywhere there's not many shows that i could sit and be like i just want to watch them talk to each other because tom is awesome cousin greg is so off like the the way they wrote that dinner scene too and you're just like god my god this is this is like really next level stuff um that maybe because we're all holding to the standards like you're really really nervous but it's we've said all the time like one of the

reasons i like the wires they didn't try to come up with some complicated ending they were like the whole point is this is never going to stop yeah and it's just a cycle and it's going to go over and over and over again and it was the right ending it was the perfect ending for it because it wasn't trying to be some dramatic ending this one i don't think can get away with something like yeah you know shit's difficult man i don't think we can get that from this no i mean i i think that there's a joke ending of like something like jerry becoming the head head of the company or like see they they destroyed themselves but this is one of those unique shows. I'm trying to think of another one like this

where you watch it on a week-to-week basis for the comedy, but it's important because of the drama. Like you're saying, you could just watch these people talk for five more seasons, but you can't watch them

almost get to the precipice of toppling this guy and then falling back five steps for five more seasons, but you can't watch them almost get to the precipice of toppling this guy and then falling back five steps for five more seasons. I think that that would be a repetitive experience after a while and would diminish what it did. I'm rooting for Tom. I'm rooting for Tom. I think he's certainly through his, through his hat in the ring.

So yeah, I think that there's definitely there. That's a possibility. Yeah. All right. That's Chris Ryan. You can hear him talk more extensively with Andy on The Watch twice a week.

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Well, that's great. Happy birthday, Tate. What up, Tate? It's just weird on the new Tuesday-Thursday deal. I feel like I go, there's this huge Thursday-to-Tuesday gap.

You know, I get Saruti on Sunday nights with Bill, but I don't know. Just wanted to say hi. Yeah. You can get Kyle there, too. Come on. Just say hi.

Yeah, about to say. That didn't hurt at all but uh cool what are you talking about that's what i mean that's you said i get so rudy on sunday nights with bill but uh hey listen i'm sure i was just slipping the tongue oh that's right yeah you are on sunday oh yeah yes i am that's all right hot start good Good start. Riveting start. All right. Let's get to the emails. I got you, Kyle. Have you ever talked on the Sunday pod?

Just to be fair. Yeah, with Sal usually. He knows that you and I don't get along, so he doesn't really address me. Okay. All right. Well, we'll just keep moving um update on the pyramid scheme guy remember our guy was super into stuff all right so but doofy brother-in-law yeah lovable but asking his mom to buy lotions subscriptions to lotions i think a lot of people waste money on

lotions i'll just i'll just say it you know i don't know if we're ever going to get a lotion deal i think a lot of times you buy it and then you have it and then you're like this is just a tub of this stuff i'm gonna zag on that actually the older i get the more underrated lotions are i get a hand lotion a little hand cream like my hands are a disaster right now so i'm i'm very pro lotion i don't know i'm not like hands what are you i'm not i'm not buying a ton of lotion from some random guy, but like, I think lotion is properly rated.

Do you have a lotion subscription? I don't have a subscription. No, honestly, if I did, I probably, that would be too much lotion. Yeah,

correct. Shitty and calloused. Yeah, but no, I've had a couple of hand lotions that I feel like whenever I'm somewhere. Oh, did you? Yeah,

I'm not, I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I feel like whenever you like if you go to i don't know i don't know that i'm going through people's bathrooms uh all that often anymore but i just i don't know i feel like there's a lot out just a lot out there just a lot out there i think i feel like people have a higher supply than their need all right so there you go okay, back to the update on this. Your advice that George's passion for pushing Amway product would fade on its own and it was spot on. I saw my brother-in-law over the weekend and asked him how the recruiting was going.

George said, quote, we don't use that word. Before pausing and saying, quote, honestly, bro, it's hot and cold. It's tough to get out there. He knows I'm a skeptic, so his pitch to me was very, very soft. He cracked open one of the cold, fizzy energy drinks they keep in their garage fridge and said, here, try this. It tasted all right, but I won't be placing an order. So our guy's early on to energy drinks. I fucking knew it. I it i knew it well that's nice that's nice this faded that was um that was an incredibly like that guy was a good writer for it's funny that he said we don't use

that word like it's like one of those uh one of those like cults that label you as like a negative person like we don't use those words that's like that's a that's a non-positive person who says the word recruiting so that's words and what can happen to the evolution of words is i don't know that i'll do an episode on it but basically a lot of times whenever a word then becomes kind of commonplace it'll be like yeah that's not you know you're not going to use that now like tanking right if you ever said tanking as a team like you can't do that and then you were rebuilding and then you can't say rebuilding uh when i did minor league baseball games i wasn't allowed to say rain delay when there was in fact a rain delay and i was like

that seems complicated that was like always the thing in radio is like don't say we're going to break you're like yeah but they know we're going to break. You're like, yeah, but they know we're going to break. They know the tease. They know what's happening. Like, we're not, how dumb is the audience? You just have to say, we'll be right back. That's it. Yeah, we'll be right back.

Don't say break. It's a bad word. You're like, okay. Yeah, never tell, never invite the listener to change the channel by telling them that you're going away. As if the commercial wouldn't give it away where do they go well they didn't say they they didn't say they went away

what the fuck i gotta get to the bottom of this what is this i can refinance my mortgage where's the guy where's ryan oh he never said he went he never said he went is should i call someone and then you come back you're like all right roethlisberger if he had a better you know and then it's like oh there he is i guess he was nowhere all that stuff that happened in between yeah like i was like what am i supposed to do with the rain delay he's like you just can't advertise that there's potentially we don't want people in the car or at home going oh i should go see a baseball game oh wait it rains sometimes during baseball games no i'm never gonna go as if that person prior to that never ever thought of that right they're like

wait it rains at these things i've never heard that on the radio so we're just so we're just not mentioning that the game should start we're just talking more stats and stuff and and until you're talking your way through a rain delay obviously i i poured it on during one of them i was like there appears to be this liquid form. Ryan's doing like play-by-play like it's game seven of the tarp coming out in the field. I would actually watch that. That sounds entertaining. Actually, because I was second guy in the booth

when the tarp came out, I had to run down and pull the tarp. Oh, no. Yeah. Wait, so you were sales, play-by-play, and tarp were sales i waved parking in before the game started um i remember i checked out a girl walking across the parking lot and a dad full of people in the car was like hey can you not check out the women and wave us in i was like i'm not really a parking attendant. I'm on air. I call the game. Sure, buddy. Sure you are. I'm on air.

I cleaned the seats. I dressed as the mascot. I cold called, sold tickets. I was supposed to be able to sell other larger advertising things, but that never happened. Get somebody who could do all those things. Yeah. And then on lunch break

I hid in the third clubhouse in Red Baseball America just to get away from everybody when I crushed a salad covered in chicken got lost in Trenton a few times all right good stuff I feel like the new audience is like wait what the fuck in the old audience is like yeah we get it we've heard it

we've heard it all before it's a nice reminder though I didn't know you were a mascot I told that story but. I didn't know you were a mascot. I told that story, but maybe, I don't know. Yeah, layers, man. Layers. I felt like they were like, yeah, we're going to let you do this,

but we're also going to remind you you can go fuck yourself every now and then. Right. So I'd be like, okay, Dan, looks like the tarp's coming out. I'll see you at the top of the fourth. I'd come back up. Like, how was it ryan i'd be like pretty good pretty good good good good crew we were level the whole way why don't you go grab some lunches for still kept air minimum all right all right back back to uh back to one because this one's uh this one's a

big one okay what's up fellas name's craig 26 5 7 180 not fat really just generally broad shoulder dude with natural bulk nbd got an interesting situation that i'd love your thoughts on was in scottsdale things go down in scottsdale that's a bumper sticker uh in scottsdale for my girlfriend's cousin's wedding the weekend of march uh fourth this guy's, what time did it start? The entire weekend was pure chaos. For some background, about two weeks before the wedding, my girlfriend's uncle, whose daughter was getting married, booked an Airbnb for him, his wife, my girlfriend,

her three siblings, her parents, her grandparents, and myself. Do some quick math. That's 11 people across a tight four-bedroom, two-bathroom place. Well, this sounds awful. This is where you go. And again, finances obviously play a part in all this stuff. It sounds like this guy kind of wanted to call the shots and felt like he could because it was his daughter getting married with all this. But this is where you just make up IBS or something. You're like, hey, I can't stay there.

11 people, two bedrooms. Like, I'm a disaster. You give me cottage cheese. Fucking look out. And then that's your out but again for the expense part you probably save some money on it so again i don't blame you on that one i i would have slept outside before i did this uh but anyway okay so as you can guess right off the rip people are in close quarters it's tense especially when you factor in that no one in the family likes this uncle i had never met him prior to this and i've been with uh i've been with my girlfriend now for two years i'm gonna leave her name out and uh the wife who is my girlfriend's

mom's sister okay makes sense uh i actually can follow this weird family tree everybody with me so far yeah girlfriend's mom's sister yeah Yeah. Yeah, makes sense, right? The mom has let this crazy uncle walk all over for 30 years. Back to the story. We show up on Friday in the jam-packed Airbnb, and before we can even take our bags upstairs, we're asked if we could start cutting

some mozzarella for the appetizers tomorrow for the wedding. This is when it's set in for everyone. The uncle is significantly cheaping out on the wedding despite being very wealthy by set in for everyone. The uncle is significantly cheaping out on the wedding despite being very wealthy by doing all the work, albeit shit work,

himself. And the only reason he booked for all of us to stay with him is so he could get a couple people to do free work as well. Needless to say, this sucks, man.

I already hate this. Needless to say, my girlfriend, her siblings, and myself did not do any of the work because we all had to spend nearly $500

on a cross-country plane ticket for 48 hours in Arizona. And Lord knows we aren't spending any of that time doing tomatoes or dicing tomatoes. Either one works. Fast forward to the next day. It's the birthday. So it's his girlfriend's sister's birthday. All of us are all going out that night after the wedding. That's right.

These guys are 26. They're in Scottsdale. They're going out. The wedding festivities happen. It's a great time. Wedding was beautiful. We get to the Airbnb around 1030 to the uncle frantically cleaning the dishes that he served his rinky dink appetizers on. So wait, he had you guys meal prep appetizers that were used for the wedding reception. Again, if finances are factored in here based on this email, this guy just decided

he didn't want to pay somebody to do some caprese salads, I guess. So he's throwing dishes around in the kitchen, yelling at his mother and father-in-law, belittling every person who isn't helping him out, including his wife. We all get ready to go out

for the birthday of my girlfriend's, her sister. And then the uncle loses his marbles demanding that we quote get off our lazy asses and do some work for the people who booked the airbnb we rolled our eyes as the uber was two minutes away and then he says it again for a third time but this time about as loud as someone can without bursting blood vessels. By this point, I'd had enough. So I say out loud, quote, would you fuck off already? Yeah. Oh, boy. I was sitting on the couch and my back turned to him when I said

it, and within less than three seconds, I was off the couch after getting sucker punched in the back of the head by the guy. Whoa. That's a solid, brother. Every single person, including my girlfriend and her parents freaked out I would hope your girlfriend

would freak out I hope her parents would freak out I hope everybody did freak out I despite my temper did not physically go ape shit on him but instead got up and channeled my inner denarius and told them that he ever put his hands on me again it would be the last time he had

hands what a line girlfriend's parents and siblings booked a new Airbnb for the night Put his hands on me again. It would be the last time he had hands. What a line. Girlfriend's parents and siblings booked a new Airbnb for the night. Trying to be the bigger person. I actually apologized to the family and the sack of shit uncle for saying what I said while also telling them that he was a scumbag. So take it with a grain of salt. Yeah, it's tough to kind of apologize to someone while also calling him a scumbag. But it appears that that's the move you pulled off.

We flew out the next day. The uncle avoided all contact with me after even going so far as to sit outside and eat brunch by himself. While the entire family ate inside the restaurant the next morning. Punishment brunch. Wow. Unless, I mean, did he decide to do that? Because if you, or did the family say, why don't you go sit by yourself?

Think about what you've done. Yeah, just don't go to brunch with everybody. My questions are, do you think I handled the situation well? Should I have fought the uncle? Should I press charges? I've thought about filing a lawsuit as my neck has been pretty fucked up since. But this is my future wife's family granted people

they never see so not really sure what to do here got student loans to pay and i'd love to drive the knife in a little deeper on a guy who truly deserves it as i've heard horror stories about him uh when my girlfriend and her siblings were young also i'm not even mad about the situation of anything i find it quote i find saying i got sucker punched by my girlfriend's psychotic uncle is a really funny thing to say. It'll be absolutely something to look back on and have a huge laugh about. Thanks for the endless laughs. Keep it up. He did attach a photo saying, quote, and here's a photo so you can tell me how hot my girlfriend is and confirm to me that I'm not fat as previously mentioned.

I don't know what he's saying here. Yeah. The girlfriend's hot, dude. Awesome. Okay. A couple of things, the lawsuit pressing charges,

trying to make money off of them. That would not be my deal. I would never do that. You did say like, Hey, this is the future, you know, family.

You're going to marry this girl, but they said they never see him. I mean, it's kind of like, it sucks this happened, but now you have the best out ever. I mean, like, yeah, with them i'm not ever doing this you really nobody should have done this at the beginning but he clearly is the guy that has to be in control a lot of people whenever they book this kind of stuff they book it so that they can be in control they can take the master bedroom they can do then other people

actually just get fucking hotel rooms um which is also something that's fairly popular for this to avoid all this shit. 11 people, two bathrooms. You know, the science tells us it wasn't going to work out. Right. Now, let's get back to the fighting thing, because you had a great line, right? If you ever do that to me again, you won't have hands. No offense, but if you were that guy, you would have just started punching him

right i'm not saying you should have but a lot of us have some badass lines that we've said that we likely can't ever execute and i'm not talking about like actually cutting his hands off here but you know i mean how many altercations have you seen kyle where a dude's like if you ever do that again or whatever it's like i don't know i just punched you incations have you seen kyle where a dude's like if you ever do that again or whatever it's like i don't know i just punched you in the back of the head you didn't fucking do anything you're still talking so like yeah i agree if you were him if you were that guy if you were that guy uh this would have already escalated so i'm not like calling you out necessarily i just think like you saying hey should i have fought him you know other he's not

he's not some guy in line at the dmv where a total stranger just shoved him like he's like uh it's like he's married he's kind of marrying into this group right i mean eventually that's what he's saying so i could see why there's a little bit of restraint there uh and like you know you don't have to prove how tough you are to some fucking shitty old guy than your and your your extended in-laws or something i can understand that but yeah yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't be as proud of that line as he is. I think I know what you're saying there. Yeah. But now I feel like we're kind of dumping on the guy in the email. We're just pointing out

the specifics part of it. For him to not fight is the right move because it ends up being a huge, huge disaster. But I think what you know, what's great about this Rudy is that he already has the permanent out. He has a forever out. He never has to deal with this group or this uncle in particular the rest of the people around everyone in the family is going to like like you more for having restraint right you got right so go ahead no like you you like punch the bully and shut him up and so everyone's like oh shit like this guy like he you immediately command respect and i think if you had fought him like to say the line that you said yeah it's not the best line in the world it's a good line like off you know just you know in a split second or whatever it's not the

best line i've ever heard but it's better than like if you would just straight up fought that guy even if you kicked his ass like then it's a whole then then you're kind of the problem and it takes the attention away from him being the asshole so you you 100% won this fight, this scenario, whatever. You're probably never going to have to buy a drink at a family function again. So you can go or not go. But all these people I'd imagine are like huge fans because there's a good chance, as you've kind of alluded to, nobody liked this guy anyway. He punched you after being a huge asshole and you stood up to him.

And honestly, when you're at the restaurant later, too, it sounds like they all took your side because you were sitting on the inside of the restaurant with everybody. He was sitting alone on the outside. So I don't think this could have gone better for you. I just think to not even lunge at him is huge. Like to not even like do one of those. It's because, I mean, I think most people, you know, if you do get hit, the first thing you do is like, all right, I got to figure out where that came from. And it's like a second, right?

It's not like, you know, like, wait, what just happened? He pretty much knew what happened, right? I mean, so I think the fact that he, even like the split second, like the whole family didn't see him, like nobody had to separate you guys apart. Like that's the part that's pretty good there, buddy. Well, it's also badass.

I can't say I would have been the same. I would say it's also badass to like take the punch and not act like it even fazed you. Like that's also kind of, kind of awesome. You know, like that's, that's way more cool and way tougher than hitting somebody back and being

like, Oh, this guy just hit me. Even if he did hurt you and like you hiding the fact that it even, you know, caused you any actual physical pain is pretty awesome. Yeah. I mean,

it's actually pretty funny too. Like you just met this guy, it's full family, like just a marathon, a family dynamic around you. And you're telling this guy. It's full family, like, just a marathon of family dynamic around you. And you're telling this guy, fuck off, which is really funny. I wouldn't pull that move. Will you fuck off already at 1030 at night on his...

Yeah, me neither. I was just thinking, I mean, you said the Uber was two minutes away. You could have just ignored him for two more minutes, right? And then walked out of the crib. I don't know. I don't know that you can. I mean, sometimes you just can't. It's building up from the moment you step foot in the Airbnb and you're like, all right, I'm snapping on this. I mean, it sounds like every minute of it was brutal. So I have no issue with him saying it at some point. You're right to have not fought. Maybe I got a little off topic there by digging into it a little bit more there.

it a little bit more there. All of us pretend we know exactly how we'd handle it when it would happen to us. And I would, like, this is one of the other things that I just think that everybody's good at telling everybody how they would have handled the situation that they weren't in when it's like, oh, I can't believe you didn't do that. Or I can't believe you didn't do this. You're like, yeah, but you don't know. Like, and in that moment, you're probably so shocked that you don't even, you're not even like thinking about fighting. You're like, I can't believe my girlfriend's uncle just punched me in the back of the head when I wasn't looking. That's an insane thing to have happen to you.

Right. So, I mean, what? In summation, good job by you. Your girlfriend's hot. You're not fat. And don't sue that guy. Yeah. Done.

All right. Okay, we got another one here. This one's very sensitive. So let's get to it. 31 years old, 6 feet, 210. Dropped 10 this year and hoping for 10 more before wedding in May. Guy wants to get down to 200 pounds

it sounds like. Basketball comp, Clay-Steph combo as an out-of-shape white guy. No, you're not. God damn it. Especially after we saw it last night. Just because you shoot, you don't get to be one of those guys. Pick fucking Del Curry. Terrence Ross. Yeah, Kyle Korver. What's up, fellas? Love the show.

Was live. Yeah, Kyle Korver. What's up, fellas? Love the show. Was live. Yeah, Kyle Korver. You know? Like a Sam Houser. Fucking diss Steph Curry. Come on. Recently got out of a 10-month relationship and started to get my toes wet in the dating pool again.

Oh, he said he was at the upstairs bar and met Kyle in Denver. Kyle, do you remember this guy? Oh, is that the upstairs bar or the little hidey hole where you could smoke cigarettes upstairs? He didn't say that part. Yeah, probably not. That was a bar too, but it wasn't operable. So it was probably a different guy.

You were firing darts inside the facility? It was like an indoor-outdoor situation. You know what? Don't worry about it. I talked to the manager. He was cool about it. No, I'm sure you would have had it checked out ahead of time i mean yeah i definitely did bands play there those guys still smoke darts yeah i was like where do those guys

go and he was like oh right here i'm not against it i'm just all right i'm just trying to figure it out here we don't have a permit pulled maybe i should stop talking all right recently got out of a 10-month relationship and started getting kyle Kyle and I are just so off right now. We're so unaligned. We need to go to a therapy chiropractor. We'd have to be in the same place for that. All right. I've recently got out of a 10-month relationship and started to get my toes wet in the dating pool again. A friend of mine has a cute

sister-in-law who I met about a year ago who comes to town a couple times a year, but since one or both of us has been in a relationship, nothing had ever gone further than some innocent flirting until this weekend. I was hanging out with him last weekend up in Boulder to catch the buffs in action, and he let me know that she was coming into town

this week for 10 days, and I should hit her up. Let me just back up. It's a cute sister-in-law, so it's not your buddy's sister. Very, very important distinction here. And with these details, everybody's going to be able to figure this out,

but we're moving on. All right. So I hit her up with a DM and set something up for, I guess this, I don't know when we get this email. So this month, downtown Denver near Sloan's Lake. We meet up,

the date's going great. She's a little nervous at first, but after a cocktail and a beer, she starts to loosen up. We're having a great time. The conversation's flowing and everything's going right. I get a text from my uncle around five o'clock saying he has two tickets for the AS game that night. I ask if she wants to go.

She is in. After a couple more beers and some green tea shots, we make our way over to the arena. Things keep going well. We grab a couple beers. Conversation picks up. Discussing some great stories about her lives. Talking about past relationships. She did get lost coming back from the bathroom one time, but other than that, hey, that happens, man. It happens happens all the time i lost somebody for like 30 minutes once uh

beers were involved i would say this is not one of the i would say this is one of the best first dates i've ever been on the game was great but the ads did up losing in overtime she clapped for the other team when they scored thinking that we had won should have known then that that was a bad sign i don't know i think that's cute. I'm not worried about it. Unless you're like fucking, you know, real third liner over here grinding away. We make our way back. That's a lot of booze, by the way, also.

That's a lot of drinks. You know, for a girl, woman, that's a lot if I'm adding all these up here. Okay, so we make it out to his truck. Guy drives a truck. Points for him. I make a move as I'm adding all these up here. Okay, so we make it out to his truck. Guy drives a truck. Points for him. I make a move as I go to open the door for her and it's on. Things are moving right

on the sidewalk before we even get in the truck. A couple people walk by. We make our way into the truck. The bench front seat comes in handy as I lift it up the center console and I get in. Things keep heating up, but things start to go south from there.

She is a terrible kisser. She opens her mouth way too wide. There's too much tongue. I feel like hers is deeper. This is getting heavy here than my own. She's way too aggressive with her hands. There are marks on my back and the back of my neck from how hard she was grabbing, squeezing, and digging into me. I'm grabbing her hand so she doesn't break the skin next time that she touched me. The last time a girl was this bad at kissing was freshman year of college when I made out and had

no idea what she was doing. I was just trying to figure out a way to escape to her dorm room. Wait, that was back in college, because I was like, this story's getting weird. Never mind. The only thing I'm thinking about is how to get her home without bleeding. I was able to get her back to weird. Never mind. The only thing I'm thinking about is how to get her home without bleeding. I was able to get her back to her friend's place.

And with a few shorter kisses and a hug, I got her to the door. She kept asking about hanging out later that week. I agree. But say I have to do some family. I have some family coming into town for the weekend to give me an out until she leaves on that Saturday. There's very little chance I will make it out with her on Friday. The date was great until we started kissing and that is a deal breaker. Our guy doesn't like bad kissers. Kyle, I bet you're

a good kisser, right? I'm one of the best. I'm one of the best I know. That's for sure. No doubt, bro. I got large lips too. That's another thing. Large lips. Kyle, a selfless lover. That's out on the streets.

Okay. So the question our guy has here after a very, very inclusive description of how the makeout session went, how do I go about telling her that she is a terrible kisser? If this were a normal situation, I would just tell her I'm not interested to move on with her living in another part of the country. I'm going to leave out the city, which she puts in here. And then she's leaving at the end of the week.

I could just avoid her for the week until she leaves her home and not worry about it. But she's a sister-in-law to one of my really good buddies, and it will resurface again at some point. Also, with her being so close to one of my boys, I feel like I should tell him so he can figure out a way to let her know. So he can figure out a way to let her know. I know there's someone out there for everyone, but this is a little chance that anyone can find a guy that's going to enjoy being treated like a gazelle that a lion just took down in the Sahara. Funny. Should I talk to her face to face and let her know how it felt for me?

How many fucking bad ideas are you going to write in an email? No, man. All right. I'll just finish the email. This answer is very easy. I know that sounds like a terrible conversation. No, man. All right, I'll just finish the email. This answer's very easy. I know that sounds like a terrible conversation, A. B, I am awful at having any sort of tough conversation.

Should I tell my boy that his sister-in-law is a terrible kisser so he and his wife, her sister, can talk to her about it? Jesus. Jesus Christ. I want to be a fly on the wall in that conversation. Should I send her a VHS on... Right, right. First of all, none of these should be thought of as options.

Tough situation to put him in, but I feel like her sister would understand how to talk to her about it a lot better than I could. You think? Or that she would want to. Or do I just make it through the week, bail on seeing her again, and let her keep moving through life like this?

Yes. That's on her. And guess what? Somebody else is actually going to like that. Somebody going to like it somebody's like man she's so passionate right the idea that you're going to tell your boy hey dude you need to tell your wife that her sister's a fucking awful kisser and if i'm not going to do it she needs to do it or she's not going to maybe you do i also don't think you say to somebody hey you know whenever we talk about like how we want to be talked to we don't want to say to somebody, hey, you know, whenever we talk about like how

we want to be talked to, we don't want to be talked to that way. Nobody wants to go, hey, guess what, dude? Like you can let yourself go, let yourself go a little bit. You know, half the emails are like, hey, my wife or, you know, whatever. I want them to start working out a little bit more. How do I handle it? Like if we all had a really simple answer to this, we wouldn't send any of these emails. And it's not just this show. It's anybody that's ever done any of this stuff. How do I talk to the other person this way? The best part is you don't have to ever talk to this person again. Okay. The simple and based on the timeline of the email here, it's all taken care of. Like either one of these things has

happened. Hopefully none of the things that you suggested. It's pretty easy when someone who doesn't live in the town. And again, it's not the sister, it's a sister-in-law of a buddy where it's like, Hey, it didn't work out. And no no offense to your ego there have been other times where it hasn't worked out for other people too and guess what we kept this fucking big old rock spinning so i don't think you need to do any of those things hopefully you didn't say anything to her face to face and yeah i think at some point someone would probably like it so if you're like sitting there going man she's a terrible kisser i need to get her on the right path if she ever wants to have a family she's probably gonna find her for her person okay she's finally gonna have her person um i mean i know one person i'm not gonna get

super weird about it but i was like holy shit what the fuck is that in the back of my head it's got two kids now you know good for her i was like this is this is the worst did i say hey we need to have a talk did i say to her friend that set us up go hey we need to really pow wow about something here i just let things take its natural course like a stream through rock and it reached its destination. Yeah, I mean, I think if this guy really cares about her fixing this, you could just do a little ad hoc Professor Love sort of deal

and just get back in there one more time and go like, maybe you could teach her something. Otherwise, don't worry about it and don't talk to her. But if you've got a week and you're still like, you can maybe get back in there and just maybe uh, maybe guide

the hands or something, or like, you know, maybe, you know, grab the face and, and do, you know, just guide the hands with some training wheels. Yeah. I mean, I've been in a situation where I've been like, I mean, I've just said like, ow, ow, stop. Like I've, I've that's I've been there before. Um, and you know, maybe that works, maybe it doesn't, but I'm saying like, you shouldn't care this much, I guess, because she's close to your buddy or whatever. Uh, if you do care, you know, maybe that works, maybe it doesn't. But I'm saying, like, you shouldn't care this much, I guess because she's close to your buddy or whatever. If you do care, the only way that you can have a positive impact on this is if you sort of try to get in there and show her some moves. Otherwise, you just got to not worry about this.

Don't say anything to anybody else. Right, because he says, I think I just got so frustrated with the email. He was like, the third option seems like the worst to me. Yeah, all right. So that was option seems like the worst to me. Yeah. All right. So that was the talking to her face to face. Yeah, I'll be a huge dick for saying she's a terrible kisser, but at least I can tell her and she might be able to figure it out.

I don't know where or who you turn to in order to work on that, but at least she'll know and she can figure it out. This guy's big on kissing technique. Maybe you're a bad kisser. Maybe this guy's too technical. Yeah, maybe he's a prude. Maybe he has a bad kisser. Maybe you're too... Maybe this guy's too technical. Maybe he has no passion. Yeah. Virgin.

There you go. Nice. My only thing would be are we sure... Maybe should you try... It sounds like it's over and that's fine if you want it to be over. Don't say anything to her. Don't say anything to your buddy. It could be over right now.

You guys seem like you drank a lot. Like maybe, I don't know. Maybe she was just like nervous. You know, she had a couple too many drinks. I don't know. She was just like,

yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying like, and maybe that like, maybe try it when you're more sober. I don't know. Like maybe it could be better. He sounds like you're done.

I'm just saying you did mention there were a lot of drinking. She clapped for the wrong team. Maybe she's not a sports fan. Maybe she's got her colors mixed up. Who knows? But I don't know. Maybe it's just one of those like one off bad experiences. And if it's not and if you're done, then like it's no like just let it go.

Like it's not there's no need for you to correct other people's errors all the time. That's the worst kind of person who's like, hey, let me point out what you're doing wrong, buddy. And, you know, no one ever accepts that advice especially if it's like someone you you just want on your first date with no one accepts that advice like you know what thank you for telling me that i really appreciate that i will take that to the next imagine and not manhandle them when we're making out hey look becky uh you know you and i it's not gonna happen but i want to just let you know for the next dude that's out there you gotta like improve your game you're just You're just not a very good kisser. It was a total turnoff. I liked everything else about you. It's one of the best nights I've ever had, but you're just such a bad

kisser. I never want to spend any time with you ever again. And I just want to give you that kind of heads up. So when you get back out there into the forest, you know, you'll be able to, to be better prepared. And she's going to go, that is so nice of you. That's so nice. So, you shouldn't even live in your town. So, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I don't know. The guy seemed to like us too. So,

I don't know if he's going to read that email after the Equinox guy like sent the follow-up being like, fuck you guys. I was like, all right, well,

just want to get like, you got a call to her, right? And that's what they said. We didn't get into the six arguments at the same Equinox in one day. Sorry, man.

This isn't that. Hopefully it doesn't go to that level. That is life advice. Thanks to Kyle and Steve. It's the Ryan Russell Podcast. We're on your Spotify. Outro Music