The Ryen Russillo Podcast - All-Star Reserve Deep-Dive, Tom Brady’s Retirement, and the A-List QB Carousel With Mike Sando

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

Russillo shares his thoughts on NBA All-Star “Snub Week,” taking a deeper look at the selections, and discusses Grizzlies-Cavaliers, Warriors-Nuggets, and Clippers-Bucks (0:35) before addressing Tom Brady’s retirement, why he is the ultimate revenge story, some incredible career stats, and more (15:11). Then Ryen is joined by The Athletic’s Mike Sando to discuss some big-name QBs who could be on the move, including Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, and Derek Carr, as well as the QB situation in San Francisco and Sean Payton’s impact on Russell Wilson and the Broncos (26:14). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (1:03:49). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Mike Sando Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

let's talk all-star snubs we'll get there and then i'll run through some of the reserves and that you know what it's kind of crowded a lot of good players what are you gonna do tom brady retires one of my favorite stories and my favorite stat we're gonna talk with mike sando on how br Brady's retirement impacts the quarterback carousel and all the other big names, Rodgers, et cetera, Lamar, some good stuff on that as well,

and life advice. Enjoy your weekend. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Winter is here, so be prepared and get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost anything? Well, you can't get a ski slope,

but dish soap, definitely doable. Sunshine, that's no. A bottle of wine, yeah. And a snow day, again, no. But blueberry muffins with the delicious crumb topping, total yes. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. I want to talk about one of my least favorite topics, and that is all-star snubs. Snub, that word. We need a new word. We need a different word, something, okay? Because making the all-star game should be an accomplishment, right? This is hard. You are recognized. This league is as deep as I've ever seen it. Granted, I wasn't as locked in when I was eight or nine as I am now, but I've never seen anything like this. I just, I just have, we are, we are really lucky. You throw on league pass and there'll be teams that I don't even think are that great. And I'm like, look at, look at the depth, look at the talent in the shot making, although it's never been easier to score, but there's also just stuff that guys are doing and there's more guys doing these things uh we are in a really

really special age for for nba fans as far as just watching sheer talent yes there are other issues we're not going to address those as much today so um you know although league pass i'll add this some nights granted we're in the minority here as the league passers right because i know that the home broadcast is for the home fan base and the job is to be an absolute homer. It just is. When I'm deciding on whether or not I'm going to watch either broadcast on the options for

it, so I'll be like the two different teams. Which crew is less likely to drive me crazy by the second quarter? I'm like, okay, I'll go with the other crew. A good example of this is, I think, Chicago, when it's Adam and Stacey, it's tough to beat them. I have my own, and I don't know if I would ever share this

because it would feel like it would get, I don't know. People might be bummed out by it, but I would think like, okay, give me this team against this team. Which announcing crew are you going for? Because if you don't have League Pass, you get both options most of the time. Although, you know what I really miss about League Pass? And I don't know if it was different

for cable versus direct TV, but I loved having the replays in the morning. That was huge for me. I can imagine there's very few of us that really needed that, but it was a huge, like if you happen to miss in your rotation of watching games

and you go, oh, wait, that happened? Like, let me go back and watch it. And then you get the full game at like 7 a.m. It was perfect. We don't have that, or at least I don't have it on DirecTV. I don't imagine there's a ton of demand. So yes, I wonder if there could be, well, there wouldn't be because it'd be a massive waste of money,

but like neutral commentary for the league pass people, massive waste of money, bad idea, regret that I even said it. Okay, so the reason I even bring up any of that stuff is it actually leads into this perfectly because this is snub week. And once the All-Star Reserves were announced, you're like, okay, here we go. And for whatever home broadcast

feels like their guy got snubbed, it's only done in this vacuum of the world is out to get that guy, that team, and then they never run through the exercise of the rest of the world is out to get that guy, that team, and then they never run through the exercise of the rest of the reserves, which I did this morning to try to help us all along with this whole thing and find out if dudes are really getting snubbed. And there's different moments too, because I think the weirdness with the talent and how much we all love it is that we are in an age of access to hate, which I've mentioned plenty of times, and that it is almost

inescapable for people that are in the public spotlight, especially when you're doing something that's as important as sports to the people that care about it. Yes, in the grand scheme of things, we can get this philosophical debate about sports, but you get the point. You're doing something in the public spotlight that people really care about, that really care about. So the reaction can be really nasty.

So then you can have that kind of creep in to your old dome. And then if you're Anthony Edwards and you don't get selected, although I'm almost scared to mention anything about the Timberwolves after the episode a couple days ago, how anyone thought that was anti-Anthony Edwards is fascinating. Anyway, no longer derailed. So Anthony Edwards had a quote about not making the All-Star team, not being named a reserve.

He said, quote, that's how it's always been. I've never been the person to get chosen to be an all-star. They didn't want me to be the number one pick. I love that guy. What? I mean, he just got in the league. I know they made the playoffs last year. I don't remember people not wanting him to be.

Was anyone going, don't pick him. Don't do it. I remember being uncertain about what he was coming out of Georgia. And the miss on that would be, no, no, no. He's just so gifted and there's enough there to build on with basketball skills that he's going to be fine once he develops and is unleashed. And now, again, he's probably one of my five favorite players to watch the entire league. Again, he's probably one of my five favorite players to watch in the entire league. But that was a downer of a quote, and I felt like, man, he's really feeling it. Like, oh, this is the way it's always been for me. I'm like, dude, you haven't been around like 10 years, okay? And the number one pick thing, maybe people suggested other options, Lomelo or Wiseman, but I don't know that anybody was actively rooting against you. Maybe he heard these things, so who knows?

But it wasn't a prevailing argument. No, you cannot pick him. You cannot pick him. I don't believe that was the case. So if you look at the reserves, you run through it. Paul George, SGA, Jaron Jackson Jr., Dame Lillard, Larry Markkinen, John Morant, and Domas.

There's two pretty nasty admissions here. That's the way it feels. So if you went into it, you're like, how does Anthony Edwards not make it? Then you go through it all. How does Darren Fox not make it? They're the three seed,

right? Cause at least with Minnesota. And again, it kind of depends on the day, you know, like that five to eight seed range because of everything being so just congested in the standings. But if you look at Paul George, he's played 38 games.

That's a decent number, right? 23, 6, and 5. The shooting stats are really good. SGA, yeah, they're the 13th seed in the West. But he's fifth in scoring. And some of the stuff that he's done this season, I don't have an issue with that one. If you're strictly by the book, your record is your record is your record.

I would wonder, do you argue that every year if it was going to cost your favorite player a spot as a reserve? You probably wouldn't. Jaron Jackson Jr., he's missed more games, but there's also an issue in the West. If you look at it from the talent, it's a front court, back court thing. The front court is more limited. that's why like i even think sabonis could have been there's an argument for him to be a starter i think laurie marketing there was an argument for me to be a starter i mean laurie they're in 8c today with utah you look

at the numbers he's 25 9 and 2 the shooting numbers are pretty good but he's actually getting better he's 28 points per game the last month plus. The only one that you could really pick at here would be maybe Paul George because he's played less games, but the Clippers still throughout all of this are fighting the seeding battle. They've been really good from a seed based on who's playing tonight and now that the guys are back they're a good basketball team. based on like, all right, who's playing tonight? And now that the guys are back, like they're a good basketball team, right?

So 38 games for him. If you're looking at it with Anthony Edwards, the raw stats of it, like I know that I would probably rather have Anthony Edwards than Paul George, but then we're kind of getting into this positional thing. Like, okay, well, what are we doing with all the different positions? The one that I think matters here

is the Dame Lillard,illard dearon fox argument portland has been sinking here they're an 11 seed dame 39 games the counting stuff is really good it's 31 7 and 4 he's shooting at 46 and 37 but dearon's fox has played 47 games so honestly if there was a tiebreaker for me if i were doing the reserves i'd go okay fox has played in games. So honestly, if there was a tiebreaker for me, if I were doing the reserves, I'd go, okay, Fox has played in more games, which isn't always the most consistent thing because there'd be other times where I'd go, maybe that's enough games for me.

The counting stats aren't quite what Dane Lillard's are, but Sacramento's a three seed, and I think Fox has just meant a lot. I've liked the entire Sacramento thing more than I've liked Portland's thing, which I think is painfully obvious. I think those are really the only two you can look at. But again, I don't know that any

of that is egregious. Fox actually feels more egregious than Anthony Edwards being left off. But Zion being named a starter, missing 24 games, that's what screwed it up. That's really what

screwed it up for that extra spot. We take a look at the East. Bam's one of my favorite players. 48 games this year when the Heat normally don't always have their guys. You look back to last year, no issue there. I think Jalen Brown, there was an argument for him to even be a starter. He's 14th in points a game. He's a really good player. He's super important in the team. He's had the best record all season long. I don't think there's any argument there. DeRozan, they're a 10 seed.

He's played all season. I still think he's terrific, even if there's a little bit of a dip down from where he was last year, and there is. Joel should have been a starter. Both me, Bill, KOC, I think Mannix, the shameless Boston media that Daryl Morey called out in his pandering radio interview on Philadelphia Radio about how we were the reason Embiid wasn't a starter. We all fucking voted him to be a starter, Daryl.

So, you know, pretty tired of this shit. Tyrese Halliburton, he did miss games, but not that many. And there was a ton of media people that voted him to be a starter. Drew Holiday, 41 games. The numbers are pretty good. I think Randall's in as a reserve, so there's your reserves. Harden had a post that said the disrespect on his IG. Again,

enter miserable NBA player. Stage left. Harden's missed 16 games. He's 11 assists per. The numbers are pretty good here. The problem for Harden is that when you quit on two teams publicly, the coaches aren't in a hurry to have that be the tiebreaker. You know what I mean? It may seem completely unfair. Maybe it should be irrelevant, right? It should be, hey, that has nothing to do with the 22, 23 all-star selections. And if that's

your argument, I tell you, you're probably right. But that's probably not what human nature is. It's the same way when I meet somebody new and then three days later i gotta say hey you know it was a fishing trip i was by myself the key worked but no like i get it no that's fine no tell your ex-husband so anyway uh if harden thinks like those numbers are so awesome and he missed that many games and philadelphia is really good right now and i feel like all these teams, it feels like there's 10 teams that have had stretches recently where you're watching going, man, maybe they could win the whole thing. And I think that's in play for Philadelphia.

If it's right, there's going to be hesitation about Harden in his playoff history. But for him to post the disrespect as if this is hard to figure out, he's probably missed too many games. And here's the other part of it. I mean, Kyrie got named a starter, but when you look at his numbers, they're pretty good.

The team's good enough, and he's going to end up only missing 11 games by the time this whole thing gets worked out. So I don't even know that we're talking about somebody missing any time here down the road. So, yeah, I think we need a new word. We need a new word because whenever I'll look up,

I kind of hate read snub articles. That's my problem. I saw one where it was like Jamal Murray and they're the one seed. Hey, Jamal Murray wasn't Jamal Murray at the beginning of the season. If he had been January Jamal Murray all season long, he has to be on it. But where are you putting him? Who are you taking off? I guess you take off Dame in that case, and then Fox is still out, and Ant's still out. I did see one for Jeremy Grant. We're going to pass on that debate. Booker's another spot, because if Booker had been healthy, Phoenix would have been good enough. Booker, to me, is in that second tier of if we come up with the top six or seven players in the league, and maybe he's not even that. If you have a top 10,

There's seven players in the league, and maybe he's not even that. If you have a top 10, I don't think Booker's out of it. So snubs is just the wrong word. It's supposed to be hard. Nobody wants to be initiated into a club that's easy, right? Like, hey, I'm here to, yeah, no, grab a shirt. You're in. All right.

Well, is anybody, like, is there any? No, no, you just get a shirt, and you're part of right. Well, is anybody like, is there any? No, no. You just get a shirt and you're part of it. That's not what it should be. It should be hard. But I understand why people are upset. A couple NBA things last night. I thought Cleveland was really soft as a team against Miami.

I did not think they were soft last night. They were fucking awesome. Mobley was awesome and aggressive. It's almost like they watched the film of the way they closed that Miami game and then came out with a purpose. Yes, Memphis did not have Stephen Adams, and even more important, they did not have Jaron Jackson in that game last night. I'm going to try to catch myself at times going back and looking at results

and be like, oh, they beat those guys. You got to go in and look at the box score and be like, oh, that's right. Three dudes are missing. Denver looks awesome. It's happening. They didn't even have Aaron Gordon last night. Golden State, competitive for a while, run out of the building, back to back after their loss to Minnesota,

which you knew was going to happen after I did an anti-Minnesota roster thing other than Anthony Edwards. I had a tough night on Wednesday, right? Trey Young killing my Phoenix Suns and then D'Angelo Russell lightened it up. We'll survive. We'll keep moving. Battles versus wars. Denver looks terrific,

but there's no Draymond and there's no Klay in there. Wiseman. We'll see if he gets traded. I'll give him this. He tries. He is trying. But he's a bit like that linebacker that's young and he's thinking about everything and he's just not playing instinctively. He's thinking the entire time and he still

brings the ball down. Somebody's going to fix that with him. Like, hey, stop getting stripped by all these small guys. You're enormous. You're the biggest guy on the court almost every time you go out there. Stop letting these guys get the ball from him. I don't know. He needs to fix it. So yeah, Denver looks great. No surprise there. I like the way Cleveland bounced back, but that game was weird. Mitchell gets tossed. Dylan Brooks did not after punching him in the dick on purpose. Dylan Brooks the other day was like, man, I got to target my back. Yeah, because you hack the shit out of people and you're dirty.

Oh my God. It's like Draymond's arguments about I can't believe this happens to me. I can't believe you don't get two technicals four minutes into every game. Anyway, and then by the way, great game if you get a chance, if you really care, if you're into it. Milwaukee Clippers, if you missed it last night,

was a playoff kind of high level. Look at all this talent. Giannis goes for 50, and it was crazy. The guy goes so hard, man. He had a moment at like four minutes. I'm watching him like he's dying, and then he took threes. He'll usually always take like a second three after he makes one, though, because he had like a nice left break one,

and then he really dialed one up, but then he shot a third one there. Drew looked good. By the way, Kawhi was on Wes Matthews. I've been talking about his defense a bit, but then they put him on Drew. He even got Giannis a couple times, so that was a good sign with it all, but I just thought that was a really good game. I don't know. Maybe there's a Zubac lesson in there somewhere.

He had fouled out. Middleton's coming off the bench, but I think with Middleton and Giannis back, it's a 6-0 run, and they're putting up big, big points, even though the Clippers, that game could have gone either way. Just good signs for both of those teams

because they just look like what we'd expect. If they're right, they're true contenders. I was hoping there was going to be a star wipe, and that leads us to one of the biggest stars ever. I'm going to do a few minutes here on Brady. I was reluctant just because I wasn't sure. I'd say there's probably still 10% of me that isn't sure. I don't think NFL players should be allowed to retire until May.

But Brady, it appears to be done. He posted a video controlling the message. I know he was super annoyed about that last year. But look, I think he was filming a documentary and then announced the retirement in the documentary. And then guess what? A guy in the jib calls somebody else. And that's what happens. And then he came back.

He came back for one more year at 45 years old. I could spend an hour on the stats. You probably know most of them. Here are some of my favorites. 649 touchdowns. He's got 88 playoff touchdowns. Those are standard. He has more passing yards,

if you combine his regular and postseason numbers, than four franchises. I'll say that again. He has more passing yards, career, regular season, and playoffs combined than Jacksonville, Carolina, Baltimore, and Houston. He threw 212 picks. Most were not his fault trust me i watched them all

but that's actually 22nd right so he's number one in attempts by about 1500 attempts i think it's 1499 and yet he's 22nd in picks and again most it's not your fault it's not your fault. It's not your fault. Don't mess with me. He's 35 and 13 in the playoffs. He played in 48 playoff games. Only nine franchises have played more playoff games in their history of existing than Brady did as a person. I have a couple more numbers, but I think my favorite part of all of this is the revenge factor. This is the all-time revenge story in sports. Brady, for about two decades, wins the division every year, basically.

Does it with Belichickick who is a great coach and then as I've said before the only place he is at the only franchise where there's a guy who's like maybe I am ready to move on from you instead of granting him

the right and being like you know what you've done so much you took less money you handled those years where you didn't have great skill players the right and being like, you know what? You've done so much. You took less money. You handled those years where you didn't have great skill players. And we still were competitive. And you don't want to leave. And this is where you've been. You know what? I think I'm done because you didn't look as good in your last season

despite having no weapons. The Brady exit from england was so weird that brady had to publicly acknowledge that bob craft had nothing to do with it because craft was probably so freaked out like does anybody gonna think i want him out of here and belichick did and belichick also wanted him out with no plan jared stidham and cam newton was the plan and then the plan after that was pick somebody and then the plan after that was pick somebody. And then the plan after that was hire defensive guys to be your play callers. So none of that made any sense. And so Brady, if you're Brady, and think about you, think about you and anything you've come

across in your life, right? Where you've been doubted or there's that person at work and everybody wants to have that sitcom moment, right? Where just you have that thing where you're like, they doubted me, I'm proving them wrong, and I am going to have the last laugh. And not only did Brady do it, he goes and wins a Super Bowl immediately.

That's my favorite part of the Brady story. It's like, are you serious? All 31 other franchises would have never been like, you know what, we think you might be declining a tad. See ya. And they were like stone cold about the contract negotiation. I was told that they came back and said, okay, so what are we looking at? They were like, we already made an offer.

We're like, what offer? Like the one from last year? Yeah, that's still the offer. And it's like, okay, are you serious? And Brady's been nice about it. Okay. Brady's been nice about it this whole time. And instead of getting into some sort of social media war about it,

because he's been around too long, he goes and wins another Super Bowl. And so we have this last year. It was a disappointing season. But here's another number that I want to share with you. He threw a 733 times this season. That's the most ever by a quarterback in a single season. That's the record now. It's ahead of Stafford.

And I think it's kind of a fitting story ending because he's out there. This is a quarterback when he first came up. He was the game manager. You weren't quite sure. He felt like he had the it factor. He threw one touchdown pass in that entire

stretch of playoff games. Oakland, he got hurt in the Pittsburgh game and then against the St. Louis Rams in the Super Bowl. So his first playoff run, he only threw one pass for a touchdown. So they won, but you still weren't quite sure what you had. So a lot like some of these NBA stars that weren't the first pick, you're thinking like, how did that happen? You've had some great development stories in the NBA. He's the greatest development story

probably in the history of the NFL. The guy that's going to be argued as the greatest player ever, there's 198 people picked before him. When he first started playing, he looked a bit like this mid to late round question of, yeah, there's some toughness and he seems smart and he

figures it all out, but is he a guy that's going to just light it up and throw it 600 times a year? And then he became that too, which I don't think anybody was picking 20 years ago. I've talked about LeBron being the best bet in team sports, but Brady's done something that's more impossible in team sports. That's because his sports, this isn't supposed to happen in basketball.

I think LeBron was the best bet, but basketball lends itself to being dominated by a handful of those special players. We've had incredible quarterbacks with all the talent in the world. Never get one of these. And this guy gets seven. So he did the impossible in a sport where you're not supposed to do it. He did the impossible at age 45.

He pushed the boundaries on what we ever thought you could do at an older age, and he made me ask a question that I would never. I was dismissive. When he first said, I'm going to play until I'm 45, I was like, look, I love the guy. That's nuts. And then he did it. And, I mean, it's so crazy that I even going to play until I'm 45, I was like, look, I love the guy. That's nuts. And then he did it. And I mean, it's so crazy that I even think if he came back at 46, he'd probably still better than half the quarterbacks in the league.

That team was a mess this year. I thought he had moments where he was like, yeah, you could probably come back and play next year. You could do worse than him. So what I like about the story is that we were lucky enough to watch for two decades someone that truly, this is not hyperbole. A hundred years from now, people are going to look at this stuff and go, what did that guy do? And granted, they have to compare it to everything else because who knows how long athletes are going to be playing a hundred years from now. But when you first learn about Babe Ruth when you're a kid and you're like, wait, what? What did he do?

You go back and read it. Maybe some of it can be diminished because of the home run push that we had 20 years ago. When you first learn about it, you're like, this guy is a superhero. He was a superhero. That's what we're really talking about. In the

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I took a look at a couple different things. There was one thing that was jumping out to me watching the playoff games. I was like, man, we don't have a lot of long runs. So I started going back and going like, let me look up all the long runs. Like, this is stupid. So we're not going to do that. That might be a fade myself over under on longest run because I was having a hard time even finding it. So here's a couple easy ones, not great payouts, but then we'll switch that

a little bit later for what I think is actually a pretty good payout depending on how you feel about the game. First play, first down, Noah's minus 450. First play, everybody's hyped up. They're freaked out. You've gotten all lathered and you had to wait around forever. I'll tell you, when I used to do all the prop stuff when I was younger, I'd go, I just want one to win.

So not a great payout. Another bad payout is will there be a successful fourth down? It's minus 550. But why not just grind? Why don't you have one category where you grind and one category where you reach? All right. Kansas City third down over under 5.5.

That number seems low, but it isn't. They averaged on the season 5.6 third down conversions per game in the regular season. Jacksonville, they had six. Against Cincinnati, they had seven. It's pretty crazy when you think about that number. I don't know if that number jumped out to you

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that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com forward slash sportsbook. From the athletic, Mike Sando joins us throughout the season. Does the quarterback tiers. And it's the perfect time to have him as we try to examine the quarterback carousel of this offseason. What's up, Mike? Not too much.

Good to be here with you from my hotel room in Las Vegas. I'm here for a couple of Pro Bowl things and then we'll be heading to Arizona for the Super Bowl. All right. Enjoy the Pro Bowl. I went last year in Vegas. Won't go again. All right. Here we go.

Let's start with Brady's retirement. There's always the caveat of like, okay, and I always think this is the worst possible time to make a retirement decision weeks after the season is over. Granted, you could say, okay, it's been a month or so, but I would have thought San Francisco was the perfect spot for him. But what do you think this does as far as other teams? Like, were other teams definitely interested in figuring out

if you wanted to move on from Tampa? I know Tampa had a cap situation, depending on Brady's decision. But how do you think this impacts at least the first stage of some of the landing spots? Well, so let's hear Kyle Shanahan this week. He's like, there's not even a chance Jimmy's coming back. We had two guys be like, so I can't say for sure what these teams were or weren't going to do,

but I thought San Francisco, certainly Las Vegas, would be two places. I think most of us assume that, hey, Tom Brady can still play decently enough. He's going to play. But I think he had the whole year to actually think of this, you know, think through this thing. I remember last year, I think he was a little ticked off that he got he got scooped on his own retirement.

Remember that? Like Schefter had it. So this year he sat on it pretty good and he had it good for him. I don't know that it's a huge dominoes falling everywhere that he retired. But it takes away a storyline for sure that was going to be brewing. And I thought San Francisco would have been the perfect spot for him, just perfect. But I don't think it's going to happen now. Yeah, no, I would have thought it would be perfect too. And obviously his connection to the area and everything,

but maybe that's a little overstated. Okay, so as far as San Francisco is concerned, though, I thought it was interesting that Shanahan was so direct about Garoppolo not coming back, considering the Purdy injury. But where does that leave us with Trey Lance? Because if Purdy is the guy, even though this elbow

injury is going to creep into camp, it's not settled for a roster that is pretty good everywhere else. Yeah, I think they're pretty, I think they need another person there, another quarterback there, but I felt like if Purdy's in the mix, don't just sign somebody who's going to cost you a lot of money that may not be better than Purdy, right? Uh, I don't think they need to be in the Derek Carr, Daniel Jones world. I just don't, uh, I don't think that upgrades them enough. I think they're in a little bit of a pickle,

but I think they do need some kind of a veteran. I would love like a Jacoby Brissett for them. I don't know what the price would be, but that's somebody who was in a, you know, a somewhat related offense with Kevin Stefanski. Shoot, their offensive rankings were really good. They were able to really, they were better when he was in there

than when Deshaun Watson came in. So that would be the perfect type of guy. I think they need another one. I think it's, I think Purdy's the starter if he can throw the ball. So the fact that he can't and may be limited and may not even be a hundred percent in camp does allow them to more diplomatically let Trey Lance have a shot too. Because I think it would have been, you couldn't have just say Trey Lance is our starter or anything like that based off of what Purdy done this year. But the injury to me opens doors to, they can just now just see, you know, whoever's playing well enough can be their guy.

Would there be a market for Lance if he's on the trade block i don't think it's much i i don't i don't think it's enough that they would want to um for lack of a better you know admit that give up on it right uh yeah i i just don't know you know i thought about you know rand carthon is in tennessee former 49ers for an office guy if he was on the table to take trey Lance, I don't know that he was. Could that make some sense for them? But I think it's probably San Francisco for them. And I think for San Francisco, they need more options, not fewer. Because their whole problem is they're missing their quarterbacks when they need them.

So that's why I thought, hey, put in a Brady, have Purdy, have Lance, have them all. Have as many as you can get because even three hasn't been enough for them. Okay, so let's talk Raiders then. Now the Carr dismissal is as heartless as it may have felt, which is, you know, I get his point. I feel like the last couple of years becoming more of a car fan.

Like car to me was a movie. A lot of people were telling you it was awesome. And then maybe your expectations were too high. And then you realize you went back and watched the movie years later. And you're like, no, that's a pretty good movie. And that's kind of how I feel about car's career. Because remember, like he had that first kind of breakout season and there was this push, could he be MVP?

Then he was putting up some stats and then it didn't really feel. Then I felt like it kind of shifted the other way. It speaks to your QB tiers a little bit there too where you go, hey, if you look at some of the stuff he does and the lack of support, the absurd combination of expected points added with special teams and defense. He was arguably the least supported over multiple seasons that, you know, Carr's done a pretty good job.

But I think the part that was lost in the transaction, it was very clear that they were afraid he gets hurt in those last two games. Then there was, what, like a $40 million clause that kicks in. So it was business. It may have been harsh, but it was just kind of how business was done. Right. So all of that's correct.

Right. Yes. I think that's all true. The shifting opinions of me. Yeah. Okay. All right. So where does that leave the Raiders?

Is, is McDaniel so into Stidham that he doesn't want him challenged? Is he making a mistake with car? Like what do people, what are you and people around the league thing? I think they're kind of done with car. And so I, I do believe that people were a little down on car. And then I felt like the last couple of years, not counting this last season,

but the two or so years before that, even some of his critics who had played him and had, you know, felt like he didn't stand in there. Like he needed to throw, throws the ball out of bounds in weird situations, that type of stuff. They had come around on him.

And I think it helped him the way he handled himself publicly when John Gruden was kicked out of there. And then they had the Henry Ruggs tragedy. And he was sort of looked like a solid guy and leader saying the right things. I think that helped him sort of perception-wise. But I think ultimately everyone who's coached him has been felt like they wanted more. They're the only kids just so far.

And I think that Josh McDaniels probably wants to go with his own guy. I don't know that it's Stidham. It could be somebody else. But I don't think it's going to be Carr. So now the question becomes what does that mean for car do they uh you know is it a jimmy garoppolo situation where they're kind of almost sitting on him for a while do they uh you know try to move him sooner i'm not really sure but i don't think he's going to be in the mix for them and i think that mcdaniel wants to go with set his course

with someone else. So what's the market for Carr then? Like, what do you think? What would, I mean, I'm kind of asking you to guess, which isn't totally fair, but what do you, what do you think? I think it's on the lower end of starting money, really. I don't think that there's going to be a huge buzz for him, but we'll see, you know. Team, any matches that make sense? Uh, you know, I think if it wasn't in New York,

the Jets would make some sense for him. I think that's a tough market for him. I think that's such a hard market. And the scrutiny and all of that, you got to have a thick skin to be there. I don't think, I don't know that that's him, but that one would make a lot of sense because as you alluded to the defense special teams component, I think there was only one year with the Raiders where he was even middle of the pack

and they went 12-4 in that year with Del Rio. So I would certainly, if I was his agent, be looking for somewhere like that that could play some defense. So that's one that comes to mind to me, certainly on paper. I think it would be an upgrade for them. Just not 100% percent sure about, you know, the fit of the market,

but I think that's, that would be pretty good. Okay. Rogers, where do we start? Um, there's, they probably should have traded them a year ago.

They knew how it was going to go this year to really maximize the value. Now there's some complications a little bit. I mean, the contracts are a part of it. I do feel like it's a much easier jumping off point for them than it has been in the past. Because the performance on the field of the whole team, of him, the tiresomeness of his commentary all the time we ought to resign these guys and all of that i feel like there's a much better chance this offseason that something will happen i'm not sure where it will be uh you know people talk about the jets i wonder about a place like the Titans, too, that has been looking.

If you go back, and I know it's not Bud Adams, but it's relative of Bud Adams owning the team now. They were all over Peyton Manning. I know he was obviously a Tennessee guy, but they've tried to be in that world and get somebody to get him over the top, and it just hasn't worked out for them. So that would be an interesting place to me for him. It just hasn't worked out for him.

So that would be an interesting place to me for him. I read the, you know, keeping track of all this with Rogers can be challenging at times. But he had said, I think that his most recent interview, and again, I forget if it was McAfee. I imagine it probably was. But he said something like, I'm not involved in those conversations right now and i kind of thought like well all right like take us through it like i you can do it better than i can but if you're the packers and you're the front office the way every front office talks about all of their players and like what do we think of this guy what would be the value here and i mean basketball does it constantly it's always kind of annoying at times it's like hey they might be open to trading's like, well, most teams are open to trading almost anybody,

but they don't really do it because they don't like the package coming back. So for Rodgers to say, like, I haven't been involved, it's hinting at, like, some negative. And I go, well, what's the timeline of events supposed to be? The season just ended. Okay, we have time. We're not even close to free agency. What is supposed to happen here where those conversations,

they end the season immediately and go, okay, Aaron, what do you need to do? It just felt a little on brand for Rodgers to act like there's this massive disconnect when he's been at the driving force of the disconnect for these last few seasons. Yeah, I didn't see it as that overly of cryptic. I understand it certainly if you read the comments, but just listening to him, he did say it on the Mackey show.

And I, I, you know, it was notable, but I didn't take it as like he was sideways about it. But I do agree with you that they're in a point now of just figuring out everything. He said,

no player is going to be involved in that discussion, right? It doesn't mean it's a slight on Rogers. It doesn't mean that they're, that was kind of my point. Yeah. They're not, they're not secretly plotting.

I mean, they may be, but this is sort of, we're still in the, we're still in the assessing what happened to where we want to go. And, and right. We're,

we're, they're having the big picture type discussions. Probably. I wouldn't think he's going to be involved. First off, they have to figure out, do they want to, or do they want to make a move with him? Right. Well, that's going to be a. First off, they have to figure out, do they want to make a move with him, right?

Well, that's going to be a discussion that he's not in on until they're ready to have him in on it. And then if he is going to be there, then of course he would probably be involved or at least kept up to date on, hey, we're thinking about doing this in free agency. Last year they traded Devante Adams, did this or that. I think they've done a more intentional effort of keeping him in on those i don't think that's where they're at in this i think they have to figure out the bigger questions of how do we do this is he part of it where what's the market for him right so we'll have it's it's early february right now the combine will be coming up well last year at the combine the Combine, I believe that Denver and Seattle met and figured out that there

was probably very likely going to be a trade of Russell Wilson, right? Those types of things have to kind of happen, and some of them that's not just as easy as it seems. So there will be a process in that, I think, before he gets involved. How much leverage does Rogers have on picking

his destination if this were to happen? Well, I mean, a lot if he because no team's going to want to acquire someone who doesn't want to be there probably, right? So if he just said, you know what, if you trade me to

if you don't trade me to one of these five teams I'm retiring, I mean, that's going to affect to one of these five teams, I'm retiring. I mean, that's going to affect it, right? So, yeah, I think he has a lot of say over that. And then they have ultimate say, too. They may say, we're not sending you to the 49ers or some team they don't want to have him on, right? They may feel like, Carolina, Tennessee, sure, whatever. So, yeah, he'll have a lot to say.

Do you think there's a... Let me ask it this way. I don't know how often you ask the question, but where is the consensus leaning on this? That it's over or that they can find a way to work it out like they have in the past? Yeah, probably more likely that he'd be traded, I would think.

Okay. So you think he would say no to the Jets be traded, I would think. Okay. So you think he would say no to the Jets? Well, I have no idea. Yeah, I know. That's unfair. I mean, but just, you know, it's Aaron Rodgers. He may. Now, Nathaniel Hackett's there.

So, you know, he may, if I were him, I'd say, huh, that's intriguing. What are you guys going to do? You know, let's talk about your receivers or whatever, right? Those types of things. Ultimately, it could come down to how badly he wants out too, or what does he really want to do? We don't know. He seems like one of those guys who you're trying to read his mind right i mean he's not so many times in in sports it's predictable how people will behave right oh this guy will report he's not going to leave five million on the table right there's yeah there's stimuli that people respond to rogers is at a point now where he's kind of above all of that right i mean sure there's 50 60 million dollars, but what's he made? 350? I don't know. He

also just seems like a different guy. All that's true, but I still think he loves playing football. even if some of this has been a little too dramatic for me without, you know,

this was like the first bad season. That was always kind of my point was like, wait, you're upset. And this team's been competitive most years. And I think the front office has done a better job than you want to give them credit for the Adams thing. Look,

I totally understand. It sounded like Adams want to go play with car. So that didn't work out long-term, but I would give Rogers this when I think about who wants to play and who wants to be out there even if he had a bad year like he's had bad years in the past and responded he had like one year that was sort of a dip and he comes back wins MVP so I think that guy loves playing football and I know enough rich people that they don't just all of a sudden want to stop making money. I think he wants to play.

I think he wants to play, too. I do think he wants to play. I think he's really good still. I think he was banged up and it was a weird year, but I think he can still do it. Him having a really good year again at quarterback would be one of the least surprising things ever. I think him being somewhere new and then being energized to be somewhere new.

So when we talk about the leverage of retiring, yeah, he's kind of a guy that has the status to probably scare the hell out of another GM. being like can we really go ahead and do this and trade for him but my favorite part of him is that i think he really loves being out there on sundays in a in a big way and i just don't think he's physically done i don't either and i think he likes being a Packer. Really? Yeah. That part has been a little hard to read. But I think all of these guys care.

All of those guys at that level pretty much care about their legacies. They do ultimately. Now, Rogers likes to kind of stick it to him and play the dramatic game and the cryptic comments. He loves that stuff. He does it more than other guys do. But it's a different era now, it's easier to do that uh and shoot we also have brett farve did the end of his career he would have done this he'd be on he would have had the mcafee show then i'm surprised he wasn't on the you know the jim rohm show or whatever the show you know was at that day to do this but but these guys all have it's now become to where you have platforms and you can speak out.

If Brett would have done it, Mike Holmgren would have grabbed around the neck or they would have fined him. It was a different era. Now these guys can do this. He likes to do that stuff, but the question to me is, are the Packers done with it?

That's the question. Because I think they've had a really hard time obviously moving on from him, even though they planned to. They got Jordan Love when it looked like, oh, it's not going as well, that McCarthy was out of there, the offense hadn't been as good, and then he just stuck it to him by playing so great. Now they have another, you know, years later, they have another out.

They have an actual out now, a real out, that it was a real disappointing season. And even though we think Rodgers was really good, it wasn't like he had a good year statistically. He had some bad games. He had some uncharacteristic games with interceptions that he would never throw before. If they're ever going to get out of this

thing on their terms, this is the time to do it. The other unique thing to Green Bay is kind of the story arc of, you know, Favre has had, you know, he legitimately had four years there where he decided, no, I'm not retired. And they felt like they couldn't keep operating as a franchise that way. And they could, and like Favre was, um, you know, it's hard to have that football resume and not think you're awesome.

But he felt like it was up to him and that he could disrupt everything and keep disrupting everything every offseason. And then eventually the Packers like we can't we actually can't keep operating this way. Like we're going to move on. We're going to give the job to Rogers. Yeah. And I remember back when Rogers used to really like Van Pelt. And so he used to he came on, I think, a couple times with us. And we'd ask him about that.

And he was pretty clear. He was like, Favre wasn't exactly like my buddy helping me out a lot. And if you're Rodgers, right? You're Rodgers and you think you have the job and then you don't. Then you think the next year, hey, I've got the job. And then you don't. I've always wondered if that played into his dynamic. Again, this is sort of a stupid analogy, but it actually makes sense to me.

When you think about hockey teams and they would haze the younger players or whatever, some of the guys that were hazed would come back the next year and be like, well, now that I get to haze, I'm really going to let these guys have it. And then there'd be the other group that would be like hazing sucked and i'm gonna make sure i never make a younger kid feel the way that i felt i've always wondered if rogers having to wait out these far bullshit off seasons impacted the way he thought he could conduct himself at the end of his career again it's just a working theory. I don't know him well enough to even suggest that I have,

but it's something I've always thought about because that was brutal for everybody else. At some point, it's like, hey, man, we're a team, and you don't get to just do whatever you want every single offseason, and eventually that's why Green Bay wanted to move on. Yeah, I think Rodgers, I can't remember what Farr said at the time, but I think Rodgers has actually said really nice things about Jordan Love and been very supportive of him publicly with some of his comments. I don't mean it on the Love part.

I guess I just meant the organization. So go ahead. Yeah. I would think that they are close to where they were when they had had enough of Brett Favre. Okay. That's what I would think, but it was different people. You know, Ted Thompson was there then,

but their GM now comes from that, right? It's the same organization, and we'll see. Okay. Lamar Jackson, extensive piece on the pick six not that long ago. Yeah. Kind of collecting, you know, all the pieces of the timeline, thoughts from other teams as well. Can take us through the Lamar Jackson decision

and what kind of, I don't know, there's a lot of people out there saying he's done, he's not playing for the Ravens again. I don't know. The relationship seems strained this year. I think that was one of the things I was waiting for during the season and alluded to this in the piece you're referencing, was that I felt John Harbaugh had chances during the season to kind of say,

hey, he's our guy. There's questions down the stretch. Hey, would he be playing if his contract was signed? And it would have been real easy i thought uh easy for me maybe there's a lot of things the coach has to take into mind and i don't know the dynamics fully of the relationship but um i thought that stuff could have been put to rest if this was truly um a great situation like if anyone was raising questions about patrick mahomes andre would be at the podium going,

let me tell you one thing, this stuff, I don't know where you guys are getting this, but this stuff that he's not working in his rehab or he's not all the way back, put it to rest. There's no one who is more all in about playing and being there for his teammates than Pat Mahomes.

That's what Andy Reed would say, right? I felt like there was a month where John Harbaugh wasn't saying that. And so then he came out of the Bengal game in the playoffs that we lost and just praised the heck out of Huntley for playing through his injury

and a couple of two injuries and being out there. That was conspicuous to me a little bit. So I think there's, I think the relationship there is a little tenuous right now. I think there's, I think the relationship there is a little tenuous right now. I think it's very complicated by the fact that Lamar Jackson does not have an agent.

And I think that when you don't have an agent in a negotiation like that, it's going to be more personal. Anyone who's ever tried to do a negotiation on their own behalf or that type of a thing, it's hard to separate your own feelings, right? If there's an agent, the agent can tell John Harbaugh and the team, you guys are screwed. He can also tell his client that, wait a minute, hey, this is, let me tell you, there's really three actual choices here. We got to pick the best one. He can fire the agent, but the agent can have those frank, the agent can go to Steve Bishotti and say, you guys are screwed. What are you even talking about, right?

If that stuff happens now, it's immediately damaging, right, to the whole negotiation because there's not a middle buffer. So I think they're working their way through that with a young player. It's right. A young player who probably rightfully looks at the Deshaun Watson contract and says, I should get that. He's correct. But any agent would tell him, you're not getting that. Or he might tell. There's a cost of doing this. If you want to do this, here's the path. I feel like that's what's going on. It felt a little disjointed

and that they were on different pages. Like I said, multiple chances to kind of defend lamar that i thought were passed on and then after the season they did uh john harbaugh you know and eric dacosta got up there and you know he's our guy and that type of stuff but it feels tenuous to me okay for the record des Deshaun Watson's deal was $230 million guaranteed. All of it guaranteed. Yeah.

It was higher than Kyler Murray's contract, which was, what, $189 guaranteed? So we're talking for, like, this is outer space. And if you look at the language, the way that they were clever in doing this is that they backloaded it so much and then kept the signing bonus out of the suspension so that the money he lost in the suspension was minimal because they didn't just split it over the five years

and go equal parts here so that it saved them millions and millions of dollars, I believe, in the suspension as well. So I just want to make sure everybody's up to date on that because when you see the news, the rumblings that lamar's asking for this and i i'll tell everybody like ask for whatever you want but that contract infuriates every other front office for the most part right i mean well absolutely bullshit about it still right absolutely an inferior but if you're lamar jackson you say that's not my problem you guys did exactly and this was a person who was really in a lot of trouble. Now the flips, the other side of that is Deshaun Watson was, uh,

in a, in a freer situation because, uh, he was definitely had to be traded, right. They'd already committed to trading them. So he was basically almost like a free agent, uh, in that, and he did way better for himself than I thought he would. I didn't know that a team would do that and go to that level. So I think that really complicated it. I think they might've got, I think they probably would have done a deal in Baltimore already if that didn't happen. Cause I think they do like them.

I think they have made what would be considered a really good fair offer in the absence of Deshaun Watson contract. Okay. Let's look at all of the other contracts. I think their offer to him from what I've heard is was really solid, but he has a point. He has a point. The question is how far is he willing to push that? And does it get to the point where they're like, okay, this is a standoff now because we're not doing it.

We're not setting that precedent. Our organization is, has its own way of doing things. And I believe if I was their organization, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't fully guarantee. Because I'm concerned about the fact that he's not finishing these seasons. He's deep enough into his career now with the number of rushing attempts that I think there'll be wear and tear. And just look at what happened to Cam Newton.

Cam Newton was even, it was a bigger, sturdier guy, but he just, he never really had the catastrophic injury from running, but you don't have to. It's like a running back. Running backs don't, it's not that being a running back, they all have blown ACLs. They just get to a point where, where they wear down. And I think the running,

the heavy run quarterback does too. Let's look at the second half of, they played what? 10 years in the second half of it. So harder, right? I think that's where Lamar Jackson will be headed at a certain point. Maybe not in the next couple of years,

but maybe he's already not been able to be on the field now. Whether, you know, everyone will say he was hurt on passing plays and all that. I get it. I think the wear and tear of being tackled all the time is the concern of going all in on a long-term deal for me. I mean, what would the market be?

Like, how would that deal work? Well, I think the market be? How would that deal work? Well, I think the market could be really good for him because I think he's a superstar. And we can sit there and say, yeah, style of play, are you going to win a championship? The owners don't think that way always, right? They don't even always know how the games are won and lost. They're thinking thinking they could be

thinking this guy makes us relevant and i believe that that's true so uh to me you know uh i got these teams like atlanta or miami that you know could use quarterbacks or have good schemers um i would love to see Lamar. I don't know if they could do it in Miami, but Lamar Jackson with Tyreek Hill and Mike McDaniel scheming it. Jalen Waddell. I mean, we'd get to see Lamar with great receivers.

We'd get to see him still in a great run scheme. I mean, with a really creative caller, I think it would be amazing. Do you think the new team, because we also know that once it's like, okay, we're open to trading you. And then even though this is where the agent thing comes in, it's like a lot of times the agents already figure out like, hey, look, let's head here because they're willing to work out.

Like I already know what the extension. Right. It's a great point. The agent would be walking around the combine and he would have 10 year 20 year relationships with all the jams they've stood on the they've stood on the pro day fields for these guys together small talking and going grabbing dinner at the you know at the bar in mobile and it's really easy for them to have a more frank, candid discussion, right?

Yeah, you start figuring out like, okay, what would you pay my guy if we can make this work? That's how these deals are done. Totally. That's what an agent does. So is Lamar going to be walking around the combine? And he's going to be walking around the combine?

He's going to pull aside Chris Greer and say, hey, Chris, in my vast experience of doing deals, hey, what's it going to take? No one can do that. But someone going to call whoever's... I don't know. I don't know. I think that is a very complicated thing. It's a complicating thing. It is.

It is. Look, as somebody who's had agents and then dabbled in not having an agent for a couple of years, because I was like, I don't know that I necessarily need this. There's a level where it's like, you know, I, again, this is, this is more personal, but like it used to bother me and I'd be like, well, what are they saying about me in the room? And then the agent would be like, well, why do you want to know? That's why you pay me. I'm like, actually, I'd rather know. They'd be like, well, that's weird. They won't say it when they're talking to you. Right. Like, no, I want to know what's up. And then, you know, there's also another level that you get to, you're like, I can't,

it's, I'm not going to be taken as seriously. I'm just not going to be taken as seriously if I'm trying to do some of this other stuff by going like, no, no, no, I'm reaching out on my behalf. And it's like, what the hell's wrong with this person? It's just kind of, you know, however you want to talk about commissions and all that stuff. Like sometimes there's just the way business is done. And when you try to go outside of it, it's, you get, you're at a disadvantage. I totally get it when somebody like Richard Sherman

late in his career, or I can't remember, did Russell Kung or something. If you're really established and slotted in as a certain player, there probably is a narrower market for you. Hey, we know I'm a $6 million corner. Even the basketball guys, especially when it's like,

you can't negotiate me anything different than the CBA. So I may have a business manager. And a lot of times too, if you're enough of a superstar, the agent already knows the commission on a locked in deal. It's the marketing money and everything else that goes along with it. But if you're trying to get out

and get more money from another team and you're shopping yourself around when you're sort of not supposed to be shopping yourself, but this is how it works. That's a massive disadvantage if you don't have an agent. I totally agree. The guy, if you need a chess player on your behalf, who's done this before and has the relationships and can have honest conversations and can really find out what is out there for you. If you're Lamar Jackson, it's complicated. Okay. That's it. Because I know there's been other people that defend me and be like, this is bullshit. You guys are like, I'm not telling you everybody needs an agent. But for this specific thing that you were trying to do,

it's almost impossible for a guy that doesn't have one. All right. Instead of spending more time on this last thing here, we spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about Russell Wilson. And you know it really well. You're up there. It's a team you've covered. I think you're honestly one of the best,

especially, you know, look, I love the quarterback stuff, but when it comes to Seahawks, I always trust you. And you were like, look, it's declining. It's declining. It shouldn't have declined this much.

It could have been this bad. Okay. I mean, this is a scenario I would have never imagined because as a football player, I still really liked him. Even if we want to talk about the contract and the assets and all this stuff.

I don't think any of us really care about those assets when the deal happens. Then he plays it out this way, and then his personality, which I've never loved, kicks in, and then he's playing awful. So now it's like, hey, we put up with this stuff if you're playoff Russell Wilson every year. Now we're not going to put up with this stuff. You're just annoying the shit out of us and not getting first downs. I have to think Sean Payton can fix some of what we saw last year, right? Yeah. Well, it's got to be better. It can't be worse. I mean, it was way worse. I think he has declined. I think it is concerning. I don't think, I think we've seen the best of him. All those things are true. I don't think that he should just be a complete trash quarterback. And that's kind

of what it was last year, right? I mean mean he was not good and i think he's better than that so i'm sure that it's going to be better than it was this last year it has to be um you know but it's his last chance because uh it was a little bit of pete carroll's fault or whatever it was hackett's fault i think it'd be Sean Payton's fault. Okay? So that is really interesting. The personality stuff and all of that, does that kind of end now too?

Because Sean Payton is the big time power coach. He's the star of the Broncos now, right? So I think it's fascinating um i'm not that optimistic i think when you give away all those picks when you're in the division with mahomes when you're still in a market like denver that thinks and wants to be great i don't think that they're going to do that with russell wilson i don't think i think i think with what he's getting paid, I think their ceiling is below where they want to be. So the question for me will be,

does Sean Payton get him just respectable and then after a year or two, what's he doing at quarterback? I think that would be interesting. Can Russell Wilson sort of save it so that he's still the guy? Or is Sean Payton going for another quarterback After a year or two, what's he doing at quarterback? I think that would be interesting. Can Russell Wilson sort of save it so that he's still the guy? Or is Sean Payton going for another quarterback in a year or two when he can do it? Yeah, well, the contract is enough to make it okay, probably,

because he's at a new level now. I don't think he can live up to it. I don't think he can. I don't think he's going to be a star again. Put it that way. No, Wilson? Yeah. Right.

I'm talking about Peyton. Peyton's contract will make it easier to swallow if this Wilson thing doesn't turn around. Then he can be like, well... It's one of those deals where you look at Peyton, you knew there was a ton of demand, you were hearing these massive numbers being floated out there that now forever changes the pay structure for head coaches like this. Oh, you think it's that much of an outlier? I don't think that he, well, who else was going to hire him?

I think Jacksonville would have, before Peters, oh, this cycle? This cycle, what other job was he going to hire him. I think Jacksonville would have... Oh, this cycle? This cycle, what other job was he going to get? You don't think the Colts would have been interested? Not really. I mean, I think if you're hiring... Well, you know better than I do. Why wouldn't the Colts be interested

in Sean Payne? I don't think that they are necessarily interested in giving what it means in terms of giving power to a coach in that way. I think when the Broncos at the end of the season

fired Hackett, the owner said yeah, the next coach can report to me. It was kind of one of those things where it made it clear that hey Har, Harbaugh, hey, Peyton, you know, you can kind of run the show. I think Sean Peyton is a run the show guy. When he was in New Orleans, Mickey Loomis was a great partner for him,

but Mickey's not a personnel guy. He came up through the cap world. So it really was a, it really was Sean Peyton doing all that and i you know i i uh do a football gm podcast at the athletic with randy miller who used to work with mickey and those guys and was the gm of the saints and he mentioned on our latest show that his impression was that some of those scout guys there and the personnel guys by the end were kind of rolling their eyes because sean was making the moves

and sometimes impulsively, right? So I think that Sean Payton is in a place where he wants, he's basically going to kind of be the GM where he goes in a lot of ways. And so I don't know that that's for everybody. Okay. Well, this is great. As always, the pick six throughout the season on the athletic and i'm

sure you're gonna have a ton of stuff with all the free agency the quarterback leading up to the draft as always man enjoy it hey thank you you want details bye i drive a ferrari 355 cabriolet what's up i have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you

what's required. Alright, let's set the tone for the weekend. LifeAdviceRR at gmail.com That is LifeAdvice. That is the email address. Kyle, a lot of follow-up here. I see you sent us a few. A lot of people had follow-ups on Doc. Again, if you missed Wednesday's episode, Doc was what, a 30-year-old black man

who was your good friend? Yeah, I would say he was a buddy, for sure. He was a good friend. There were no red flags that all of you guys were white dudes and a 30-year-old guy was hanging out with you our group was pretty mixed too there was like a bunch of black i was one of the few white dudes anyway it's probably like half and half there was 10 of us it was probably five like black and dominican dudes and five white dudes so it was it didn't really stick out you

know okay all right because we had follow-ups on the reason i'm pointing out the demographics here is we had follow-ups on this dynamic because there was a lot of people theorizing that doc was actually an undercover cop uh you said he was on parole and that he was always magically leaving right before a place would get raided um well it would be sort of like a fight was brewing or something or like a place would get raided yeah obviously uh but yeah would like he just sort of was like i don't like the way this is looking he just kind of got out of there so right okay so uh a guy chimes in here he goes i'm a 20-year law enforcement veteran kyle's college friend on parole was undercover that's why the cops showed up and he left and then

disappeared we'd send guys into colleges all the time before college though come on that doesn't sound very undercovery 31 jump street uh yeah come on i'm just gonna i'm just gonna suggest something here and then kyle you can take the floor uh i'd like to think that even 17 year old kyle was one of those seasoned people ever you don't you don't think kyle could spot a narc we're talking about somebody that is just you you have scars of deviant behavior you know yeah correct yeah i i have a hard time believing that you even at 17 maybe you know maybe we're not all that smart back then but do you think that doc was an undercover cop no definitely not definitely not i think the guy was paranoid like he couldn't even go to bars and stuff like i don't know it would just be the weirdest undercover story like who in the in the No, definitely not. Definitely not. I think the guy was paranoid. Like he couldn't even go to bars and stuff.

Like, I don't know. It would just be the weirdest undercover story. Like who in the, you know, upstate New York or the state police marketing department was like, yeah, this is the right story. A parolee will befriend some freshmen and buy them beers and drink with them. Like, what are we like? We weren't like starting like i was selling reservation cigarettes but i wasn't like a kingpin of anything you know like i was like there was no payoff for that to be the case so uh i just think he was a guy just getting on with life and as we know that happens from our emailer it does happen yeah because you know part of me thought as we saw all of the suggestions that he was an undercover

cop i would be like okay but what was the payoff what was the path now to be fair i mean i'm not i'm not super educated on the motivations of of law enforcement in smaller communities although poughkeepsie's you know bigger but well this Potsdam, dude. This was fucking way up there. All right. So I think that maybe would speak to my point even more. I would just wonder, would local law enforcement be sitting around being like, we need to start sending resources

where it's like, all right, we'll let you out early, but you need to start giving us heads up on underage drinking parties. I don't know that that would ever have been a priority. Reservation cigarettes. Because there had been a call to a local politician that was like, we've got kids selling reservation cigarettes. And now all of a sudden the police chief's like,

I don't want to deal with this. It's a massive waste of time. But the guys down at City Hall told us this is a priority. Definitely not a cop. Let's get Doc some FUBU hoodies and start ingratiating himself with college and high school kids. I don't, I don't know that that would ever be a priority unless they had bad

information on your crew and you were just guys they thought maybe, and then Doc's going back to the cops and being like, these guys actually aren't doing that much. This one kid, Kyle's actually really nice, but some of the other guys are a little cold to me. So you see point right you see yeah i i see it i think it's a it's a fun idea definitely definitely wasn't a cop though uh thanks for your concern i might try to track him down there must be somebody i could i could try to track him down with because he

wasn't the only guy that disappeared a lot of the group like transferred or was kicked out as well by the time i got came back so he wasn't the only guy that disappeared. So I didn't think that much of it. Kicked out of the group. I mean, we talking light gang affiliation. What do we mean here? No, like kicked out. We all got kicked out of school or transferred or, you know, you know, a couple of the core guys got kicked out. And and then a couple of the other guys were like, well, this is no fun. And they were like, well, it's Potsdam. Maybe I could transfer to Buffalo or Binghamton or something. So, you know, a lot of them kind of just shuffled Sunnis. When I came back, I had to start over again.

And that's how I made my new friends, was selling them cigarettes and stuff like that. Okay. All right. Do you feel good about this? We feel good, right? Yeah, not a cop. Good guy.

Miss you, Doug. Yeah. See? Salt of the earth, Kyle. Salt of the earth. Salt of the earth rankings for Kyle would be 99. Really? That's great to hear. That's great to hear. I never want to lose it. All of the Earth. Salt of the Earth rankings for Kyle would be 99. Really? That's great to hear. That's great to hear. I never want to lose it.

All right. Okay. I love this email. I love this email. Excellent choice. Okay. Hey, guys, 3256160. I need you to set up a debate between my wife and I. Happy to do it. I'm going into this. I'm afraid that we've been a little pro husband on the pod i don't know that that's a male female thing i just feel like we're getting the emailers perspective and it's always going to be weighted to their perspective uh we've let some guys have it though i mean we have at least three or four times where you know dudes get flamed so right yep to be fair uh but i don't know what the overall ratio would be i don't't know if anybody, don't even bother a spreadsheet. You'd have to go back too far. I'm just afraid because I know what the title of this one is and I don't.

All right, so here we go. All right. My wife is traveling for work this week. She usually takes her three-year-old daughter to swim class at the local gym after preschool, but I was tapped in this week with her traveling. Before she left, she walked me through where to go and everything and added, yeah, so just take her in the men's locker room to change her and then take her to the pool. I replied,

quote, not unless you want our daughter to see some 80-year-old penis. My wife dismissed these concerns and then we got distracted with some other topic and just moved on. Fast forward, I pick her up late from preschool due to traffic and rush over to the gym. I ask the receptionist if there's a family restroom and I am told no. I debate and rush over to the gym. I asked the receptionist if there's a family restroom, and

I am told no. I debate walking back out to the car to change her, but we're already late, so I decide to YOLO go for it in the locker room. My plan was to stay by the sinks, avoid the showers, and hope for the best. Stay by the sinks, yeah.

Let's give the benefit to the emailer here because as soon as I thought, like, wait, shower sink. Like, no, sink, that's the worst spot you could go. I'm imagining his layout is different and he felt like the sinks would be a safe space. So as you can likely guess,

halfway into getting your swimsuit on, some dude north of 70 walks out of the shower up to his sink and starts shaving his face while naked. I turn my daughter around and she starts saying he has no clothes daddy in her sing-songy voice as i'm recounting the story to my wife she gets very mad at the old guy and very pissed at me that i didn't say anything all right come on her the wife's quote he exposed himself to your daughter and you're okay with that all right different worlds we live in different worlds that's just proof it's proof we live in

different worlds the emailer continues listen i'm protective of my family i get it but this l is on me if you take your kid to the zoo and then act surprised when he sees an animal you're kind of a clown i knew the risk i was late i fucked up she's only three so i'm not that concerned that seeing a side shot of a dude's butt is really going to negatively impact her for the rest of her life i would agree some of us do have some odd retention start dates but i think you're in the clear on that one uh anyway my wife wants to mention something to the gym which i think is insane as i knew the risk told her and this guy was just doing his routine and nothing wrong we need a ruling am i off base taking the l i get her discomfort

particularly if you've never had to deal with this before thanks guys love the pot okay uh all right what's our rule about old guys at the gym right uh for those that are new to the podcast it's very clear i feel that there's some sort of are new to the podcast it's very clear i feel that there's some sort of uh threshold if you will no no no i think there's a secret society you know i don't know if it's the masons i don't know what it is uh illuminati type shit i think there's a certain age you get to and then it's like you still go to the gym you're like yep okay what are you i'm 72 okay all right here's the deal show your dick as much as possible like Like sit, never put a towel down, sit naked much as possible because we're old and this is what we do with gyms. I'm going

to try to be an inside guy to change it for the next generation. I'll pull a guy aside and go, do you think we really should be doing this? We can't put a towel down. We have to bare ass on the couch while guys are watching SportsCenter. And the other guys will be like, that's what we've done for decades. That's just what we do.

Get 72, go to the gym. You're the inside man. I could put a towel down. I could put shorts on. I could turn my dick away from your face as you're undoing your locker, but no, this is what we've done. We've done it for generations. We put our dicks in everybody's face.

I'm going to try to fix that. I don't know how long. Maybe I won't get invited because I'm talking about it now so openly. So that's the first part. It's unavoidable. It happens. It will always happen. So you try to explain it to your wife.

You knew it was going to happen. And then, of course, it sounds like you got off pretty good. And like, you know, considering phrasing. But yeah, what could have happened? This is like one of the best case scenarios of all this happened so you're taking the l on that one i think it's fine whatever but for her to then say she needs to go to the gym and talk to somebody about it and then to say like somebody exposed themselves as if it were on purpose like i never look again as a non-parent

when i see the guy at the game bringing his daughter into the stall when it's like 30 hammer guys waiting from the urinal and he just kind of look at him and he looks at you and you connect through this pain even though i don't have a kid attached to me or the other guy who has the kids like like it's just a brutal transaction but i don't know what you're supposed to do and again people are going to offer up a million follow-ups and suggestions saying you should have given your daughter to a female staff member who then could have changed her. I don't know. Maybe the three-year-old daughter would be freaked out about getting changed in front of a stranger.

I think there could have been something maybe that the gym could have done. But you're right. You were late. You'd already screwed up all this stuff. I think it's something that happened that you hope never happens again. It wasn't great. But then to say you're going to go to the gym and have the wife go my daughter was exposed to this whole deal like that seems to be another level that i'm not on board with that's crazy it's crazy right play her this play her this just

from two guys that she's never met play her this this is that'll fix it this is oh well because i'm not saying she's crazy we're just saying you just don't know. That's okay. You just don't know. I mean, I'm sure if you, if you're listening, ma'am, uh, remember,

remember his face when you said, just bring him into the, to the men's locker room. Remember his face. Cause he knew immediately. Um, you can't, you definitely can't cause like he may even have technically broken a rule.

I don't know if it's like one of those rules that we don't care unless you need to have a ruling, but you brought a, a female woman, girl, whatever into a men's locker room. So, um, I, you know, I think if it, if you actually wanted to get down to the nitty gritty, they would be like, Hey, why is he bringing a girl in the men's locker room? I know like, it's one of those things that, you know, nobody would really, it's like, Hey, we get it. He needs to do it somewhere. And he's the man, he probably can't go in the women's locker room. So this is kind of what happens. But there might be some sort of rule that when it comes down to it, it's like there's actually no way she should ever be in there.

And so for you to try to make a complaint, it's just crazy. So I think you just don't get it. And that's okay. Maybe he should have changed her earlier. Maybe there was an employee restroom or something. But probably not. It was probably just the bathrooms and part of the locker room, and he really had an impossible choice to make. He asked if there was a family changing room. I don't know. Again, I don't know the gym,

the setup. I would think there had to have been some, but when he's running late, he's already freaked out. He's got the anxiety about this. He told her, it's a great point, Kyle. He told her, hey, that's probably not going to be great. Right? He told his wife. He gave her the heads up. She said, it'll be fine. She's never been in there.

She doesn't understand what happens in there. Yeah. I'm 47 and I'm bummed out. If this was considered assault, what happened? I mean, there would be raids in every men's locker room all over the country every day so uh it's not it's not crazy it's crazy that she was in there but it's not crazy that it happened it's unfortunate and uh you know hopefully you can hopefully dad doesn't have to do any more swim classes and make this impossible choice so i would just leave it at that dad sorry

you should be sorry for suggesting it and everybody's good i was in an equinox once and i was traveling so it wasn't my home base, Equinox. And they can be a little vague at times. And I went hard, like check in. You like turn. And I was steps into the women's locker room. Like the beginning of it. And took a step.

And then realized immediately like, wait, wait, wait. No. I didn't actually go in. I didn't see anything. And then I like came out of the hallway did a massive reset deep breath was like that's all i need that's all i need is that headline yeah it was great pre-workout though because it got yeah you're just got like all the blood's pumping all the neurons were firing you just unlocked another 10 of your brain yeah i just i was like you know head down check in

looking around and then i had it reversed because the way my like i was used to what my setup was so just yeah oddly and then muscle right as i was like wait wait i'm like what are you doing what are you doing and i was like you just almost walked in what was the title of this email could we not say it because you said the title didn't sound great uh no the title the title was like once i saw it said taking my three-year-old to the men's locker room i assumed it wasn't a i assumed it wasn't a boy although i'm sure there's three year old boys are like what the fuck's going on pretty curious yeah yeah once the baby powder comes out you're like what is that guy doing yeah like save some for the rest of us ashy larry uh okay all right next one when can a bro story become public?

A philosophical question for brain trust today. When does the story exit the circle of trust and enter into the public domain? This is a really important thing here. I don't know that we can even solve it, but first I'll- There's a few listeners sick to their stomach right now. Yeah. I'll comply with life advice. Oh, six foot 265

ex-college athlete 385 bench 350 clean oh jeez like I was like man that deadlift number looks low nope that's a clean 650 squat but now only lifting the ranges 10-12 reps like napalm I'm a little

squishy but explosive if I have a ho squishy, but explosive. If I have a hoops doppelganger, poor man's John Conkac. All right. I think you want to tell us that. Yeah, totally. 385, Jesus. I have a group of friends, dare I say bros, from college that I've done a great job of staying in touch with and maintaining an annual trip.

We've gone on trips to Myrtle Beach, March Madness trips to Vegas, bachelor parties from Toronto to Atlanta. Had a lot of great times together. And as you might imagine, there are a number of hilarious stories that exist within our collective circle of trust. I'm not saying we're the craziest group in the world, but we've had some pretty fun nights together. These range from the more mundane drink a lot and get frisky to the more exotic nights of frivolity. This group may have borrowed slash stolen a tour bus in Toronto. This group may have had interludes with female law enforcement

ending in handcuffing to hotel towel racks. Wow. These guys actually... Yeah. You guys are like movie guys. This group may have brawled with a group of south side ruffians at comiskey park uh on that last point don't get into public fights in chicago kids the fights to are the flights to the flights to and from the winning city for court appearances

out of all right we got a couple badasses here. I'm not even kidding. You guys stole a bus? You knew how to talk to female police officers? Here we go. All right, so what's on? Fast forward to 15 years from college graduation. I'm married, have children. Life has its ups and downs, but the college group has been able to continue its annual trip. Last year, my wife had

a great opportunity that moved us to a new city. She's killing it, so I'm happy to support her career journey. I work from home. So the move was a no brainer. Now my wife is keeping our social schedule relatively full as she is eager to make new friends. So I'm meeting new dads at school, birthday parties, et cetera.

I'm trying to make friends appear to be cool and interesting and attach myself to some new dude circles. I'm making progress in these efforts. Maybe you'll come on as a guest and help everyone else. Dudes meeting dudes. But I may have stepped in these efforts. Maybe you'll come on as a guest and help everyone else. Dudes meeting dudes. But I may have stepped over a line.

Here's where my question for you, Kyle, and Steve comes in. Who's Steve? If a group of guys are sitting around after a barbecue, drinking some bourbon, smoking cigars, all the kids are in the basement watching some Pixar movie, and all the ladies are in the kitchen talking about lady stuff, this guy's really set the scene. Can I contribute a fun story to the conversation?

All the new dads are telling stories about the crazy college time, so I want to join in. But here's my question. When or how can a private bro story enter the public domain? If I change the names, if I make it generic like Ryan does for most of the life advice questions, is there a spectrum of outrageousness that grants a bro story instant access to the public domain? On one end of the spectrum are cheating events that will remain in the vault for all times, while on the

other end are stories so crazy and so hilarious that they need to be shared and enjoyed by all guys. I'm afraid you're giving away too much now, but can I reach into the circle of trust for a story that only benefits me and my outside life? Is it harmless, fun, or a breach of trust? Thank you in advance for your examination of this moral and ethical dilemma. I know from experience that once,

like I was not a very housebroken nine to five guy. I, you know, talk about the construction stuff and then bartending isn't a real job. And then when you bartend in a small town and all your friends own bars and everybody's just bar guys, like, you know, we had a, I don't know, we got a lot of good stories. You know, let's tell you.

we had a i don't know we got a lot of good stories you know right however when you then transition into a new group and you tell some of these stories there's a lot of like what the fuck is wrong with you and your friends so that's like the first warning i would tell anybody and it sounds like you're already old enough that you're kind of past that but there was a bit of a like softening to me where i was then you know 27 and i was sort of entering the normal sphere of of the work day and let a couple dudes right dude start telling stories and you're like that's not that good of a story you know like i've got you know and then i told a couple i remember one time i told a story to like one other person that I thought I was becoming buddies with. And he just looked at me. He was like, what? He's like, your friend did what? And I was like, yeah, well, you know, it was, it was like a long time ago. And I think it would have been like two years

prior. So I was like, oh, so that's kind of the first lesson with all this stuff. When you're with the new group, like your stories, that are outrageous with the people that were part of those stories, everybody's complicit. Nobody's really that judgmental. You all get each other. You're core guys. That's the great thing about core guys is the tolerance for each other should be a lot higher because you've gone through

all this stuff together. When it's now a new group of people and it sounds like you're about to outstory them, you got to be careful with that. Cause then sometimes the new guys are like, Hey, this isn't about story topping. This is, do we want to hang out with you anymore? Right now to your point, is there a story from your core group that kind of benefits you. Like now sometimes that audience, that audience is incredibly receptive and you become the cool guy.

It's like, man, this dude's got all these stories and look how much you used to bench. So it's really about the people. Like you're going to, it sounds like you probably have a good read, but you would have to kind of read who these people are and what their vibe is like,

is that there's a ceiling, like each new group that you meet, there's a ceiling of acceptable story that you can then tell them, where if you smash through it, they may look at you differently. But really, I know that your point is kind of like, can you tell your friends' stories? Yeah, I think you could be vague about it. I really do. I mean, enough time has passed, but I don't think you ever want to be doing something where it could specifically come back on somebody. Like, look, I'll admit there was a story from a college roommate who I told it once at a bachelor party, and then somebody heard it that shouldn't have heard it. heard it that you know shouldn't have heard it and i was i don't know i had a weird phase where if something happened and then i did it versus somebody else doing exact same thing like

i might catch more shit in a friend group for it then i brought it up a few times i'm like hey you know like the thing i did versus what he did like it's the same fucking thing and you guys are on my case about it and then it'd be like yeah it kind of like, and then it became this like blame or solo joke. Um, my defense was that I was like, you've told that story before in front of people that weren't really ready for it. But when I told it, it's like, you know, again, that friend and I were cool now, but it was, it took a little while.

It took a little while where we weren't more cool. And I think maybe the lesson in all of that is that it wasn't really my story to tell, but look, you're at a bachelor party, you're young, drinks are flowing, everybody's bullshit. And we have a bunch of alphas in this one group where everybody's kind of, you know, fucking annoying actually. Cause other groups from, they've been like oh the uvm groups here great uh so yeah i i i think you should know i think you should know kind of like how far you

can go with some of it i don't know i feel like i'm rambling a bit on this one kyle um yeah listen uh i think there's some stories that are great i usually try to only tell stories i'm involved with and i'm like oh this one guy's you know even though it's a even though it's like it's interesting and kind of wild like if i'm not'm involved with. And I'm like, oh, this one guy, you know, even though it's a, even though it's like, it's interesting and kind of wild. Like if I'm not really involved with it, that, that definitely isn't my story to tell. Um, you know, wedding in June, I recently huddled up the gang. I was like, here's a couple of things we're yanking out of publication. This dies with you. And they were like, understood, understood. I was like, I know you've been telling it. It was too good not to tell it needs to stop now. You know, this is already, who knows how many degrees of separation this has reached, but this is where we're shutting it down. And they were like, yep,

that makes sense. Fine. So I was very specific about which ones are to be stopped circulating. And yeah, I think, I think you're right. You're like, you don't want to be like, wow, that's not crazy. This is crazy. Cause that, you know, some people even wonder if it's so crazy and it just comes out of the blue, like, come on, is that even real? So I try to, yeah, I try to, and it should match the situation. It shouldn't just be like, well, they said, wow, for you wait till you hear what happened for me. And there's some things that's like harmless ones are fine. I think, I think you just kind of got to use your brain a little bit. And, um, yeah, and I would, I would probably like change the names, like, cause you don't want it to be like people you never think are going to meet. And then of a sudden you guys are you know hanging out in the hometown for some

big party and it's like wait you're the guy that stole that little kid's trampoline or something like really that's dave or whatever it is like you don't want to be like you know you definitely don't want it to come back because you'll feel bad about that so yeah i'd say like my buddy from college or something or whatever um i'd keep it vague and you just really know like you kind of know what's yeah whatever like i would say all cheating stuff you shouldn't be talking about that with anybody cheating even not cheating sometimes just you know just sex stuff is probably even if there was even if it was before she met you you know what i mean it's like it's not like shows what are you talking about i just mean like it doesn't have to be cheating i just

mean like you know sometimes a funny story happens when you know you know a girl's over or whatever so that's what I mean like anything like that especially if guys are married or getting married so like you don't even want that to be out there so if it's not that yeah I think you're fine use your head change the names

yeah I think like the email was written in a way where I think he kind of already knows. But as you get older, you'll start to realize what I thought was a story that put me in a good light, that same story can be a complete negative later on. And changing the names is one thing. I just think that there should be like a governor. Like, it sounds like your craziest stuff, you're just not going to want to share with these guys.

Like, that's your group stories. And if it's specific to like one person that did something, you know, maybe that just isn't your story to tell. And it can only be told when it's that person and then they want to tell it. Because there are the times too when those guys are all back together, like this group that you have, when they're all back together, that's the best stuff. Some of us are telling the same stories over and over again. We see each other once a year, once every two years, and we already know, we've heard the story. We just want to hear it be told again.

But it'll be the kind of story that we know the reason why we're so excited is because no one else will want to tell the story outside of this group because they don't know the dynamics. They don't know the friends. They don't know the whole thing. So that's definitely something with age. Because in my early 20s, I'd be like, wait,

I don't want to hear this awesome story. And then I would look at people and be like, holy shit. But I was like so not housebroken as a nine to five person that I was like, oh, okay. Forget everything that goes on now with just how you need to carry yourself. So yeah, there you go. That's life advice. Thanks to Kyle, The Ryan Russell Podcast, and Ring of Spongify. Outro Music you