The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Are the Bad NBA Teams the Best They’ve Ever Been? Plus NFL Offseason QB Questions With Albert Breer.

Episode Date: July 12, 2022

Russillo shares his thoughts on NBA summer league, and his excitement surrounding the bottom four teams from the 2021-22 season and their young core of players (0:27). Then Ryen talks with SI's Albert Breer about the development of some young NFL QBs including Jalen Hurts, Mac Jones, and Tua Tagovailoa, Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers missing their star WRs this upcoming season, Baker Mayfield in Carolina, awaiting Deshaun Watson suspension news, Jimmy Garoppolo's next move, and more (10:44). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (42:40). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Albert Breer Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

today's podcast we will touch on some of the summer league observations how much i love the bad teams we got albert breer from the mmqb he's going to touch on a bunch of quarterback questions going into the season and the latest on the Deshaun Watson ruling. And we've got life advice. I'm leaving Vegas, finishing my summer league run. It's always a really great thing for basketball people. I can't express this enough. If you're a basketball junkie, you've got to try to figure a way to get out here.

I wouldn't say the games are great. There's some bad games. I sat through one yesterday, start to finish. Just an awful basketball game to watch. But if you're watching individual players and trying to learn about guys, guys you're wondering, hey, is this guy ever going to figure it out? I saw a first-rounder this week where I go, wow, I would decline his option by halftime.

It's not happening for this guy. We'll see if I'm right or not. I'm not going to share the name. I don't want to be that negative. And then there's other players that you have some hope for, and you're going, oh, I'm starting to see some things. This guy's added this to his game if it's a second-year guy and all that kind of stuff. But there's one overriding factor here.

And again, we just got done on Sunday doing the pod with Bill where we were doing the trade value chart. His rankings, he went 1 through 64, and then some honorable mentions of essentially the game of would you trade this guy for that guy and then put them in order, and Giannis being the one guy that you would say no to for every other player, which is the right answer. It's a lot of fun.

He's been doing it a long time. And this feels like something, you know, Suri and I have been talking about this, but we're watching the summer league games. We're texting each other back and forth. And I'm going, I can't believe how many bad teams I can't wait to watch play basketball. I can't believe the depth of talent. You know, even teams that I know probably have no chance of making the playoffs.

They're going to be in the tier one of my league pass rotation, possibly. Look at the four worst teams from last season. The four worst records, Houston, Orlando, Detroit, Oklahoma City. I can't wait to watch all four of those teams, whether it's Orlando with Paolo and Franz, and then what Suggs ends up being. And I don't want to run through every single roster and make sure I name every single player that's interesting,

but it's the same thing with Houston, with Jalen, and now Jabari. Tari Eason, who I definitely wasn't sure who he was as an offensive player, he's leading the Summer League in rebounds right now for anybody that's played more than one game. Oklahoma City, it's a no-brainer. Wachette, Giddy, Mann, SGA, Dort, the Jalen's, Usman Jang,

and Detroit with Cade Ivey, a post-Colorado hangout, Sadiq Bey, and then Durin. Real side note here on Durin, not a knock at all, but one of the funny things about this experience for the players is they get to feel what it's like. A little taste, if you're a rookie and you're a higher draft pick, a taste of people paying attention to you, a taste of interviews with ESPN and people caring

in a level that maybe you've never experienced before, so it's a good way to break you in. Another thing for some of the top guys, you can already sit out games and miss them. Getting you ready for when you sign a max deal, you decide to not play a ton of games. That's a joke. Durant, I think they beat the Wizards. And again, this is not a criticism of a young kid being interviewed by ESPN, probably for the first time ever since the draft, which is a totally different vibe. But you're trying to say all the right things and you don't want to say anything wrong. And they were like, what do you think? He's like, man, that's a great team over there. You're like, Wizards Summer League team? Is that

team great? Maybe I'm being unfair, but I'm also pointing out that whatever. It made me laugh because I thought it was a little funny. So that's kind of the point of this whole thing of watching these bad teams and going, has the league ever been this deep? It doesn't feel like it. It feels a little prisoner-y of the moment-ish, if I can kind of just combine that whole phrase. We do make mistakes in the moment of going, I don't know if the league has ever been this deep, but I don't think the league has ever been this deep. If I went back and looked at other teams, the other lesson in this would be that we've had a lot of good, exciting

young rosters and it hasn't panned out. And that's definitely true. I wouldn't look at all those four teams going, all right, future power rankings, it's Orlando, Houston, Oklahoma City, and Detroit, and they're all going to be in conference finals within the next five years. We all know that that's not the way it works. Half of those teams are probably disappointed, just like so many others before them.

But if you go through the West, I remember somebody was talking about Portland the other day, right? Portland hands Lillard this contract. They must feel good about him never asking for a trade ever. He may feel I can never ask you for a trade because you added two years and 100 million plus at the end of my deal when I already had three years remaining, so you didn't even have to do it. But if you go through the West and think about the money Portland spent, whether it's Simons, the Lillard deal, bringing over Grant, bringing back Nurkic, and looking like they're going for it, and then you can be like,

well, going for what? Let's be fair here. Let's rank the teams ahead of Portland here in the West as of right now. And I'm not saying Portland shouldn't have done the stuff they've done. They've clearly decided, like, alright, we sort of tanked at the end of the year last year because Dame wasn't playing. But if Dame is playing, we're going to try to do whatever we possibly can

to be competitive. And we know some of these teams in front of them are going to get hurt anyway. Who knows? Maybe it's Portland. But Golden State, yes. Phoenix, as we wait for this eight into Pacers deal, I don't know. We'll have to see what Phoenix is going to look like, but I don't think they're going to suck, of course. That would be ridiculous to say. Memphis,

Dallas, Denver. I think healthy Denver, I'd put ahead of Dallas. Healthy New Orleans, I think I'd put, of course. That would be ridiculous to say. Memphis, Dallas, Denver. I think healthy Denver, I'd put ahead of Dallas. Healthy New Orleans, I think I'd put ahead of Dallas. But New Orleans, who knows? Their ceiling could be terrific if they all figure it out and they're healthy. Minnesota, both L.A.s, not 100% sure what to do. But I think a better Anthony Davis and even an aging LeBron is ahead of Portland. So Portland's looking at what? 9th, 10th? Again, knowing that somebody in front of you, a couple of those teams, could be hurt. But you can't just bank on somebody else being hurt while you bank on yourself being healthy because that's not fair either. So when you think of the depth just there of the West alone

in a team like Portland who thinks, hey, we're a playoff team. We had everybody here. We had a decent playoff run that one year. Why can't we do that again? I don't know that they can. I mean, they feel like a playing team right now, but it also speaks to the depth. As I was touching on some of the younger rosters with this, and I could probably do this all day. I could go back to some of those Wizards teams 20 years ago and be like, look at the future. The future is bright. Remember they played Chicago for our older listeners and they got swept in the first round of best of five game series and you were left thinking like, man, they hung in there with the

Bulls in those three games. Look out, Wizards. The Timberwolves have done this a couple different times. The Marbury-KG thing. I think Barkley and the Rockets beat them in the late 90s in the playoffs one time and then Barkley afterwards was like, those guys are next. No, they're not. So it

does happen. Minnesota actually, I don't like when people talk about tanking when tanking doesn't work for their team and they're like, well, tanking doesn't work. You're like, well, that's a completely flawed statement. Nobody's sitting here. No one who does this for a living is guaranteeing that tanking works for you. It just gives you a chance, just like every other thing, right? they went through when they ended up with Wiggins and Towns, on paper, a couple years ago, you're thinking this is why you don't win games because now you've built your team around these two guys and you have a real chance. Wiggins was disappointing. Towns, maybe it took a

little bit longer. Maybe there's still some limitations there with Towns, but Minnesota got to a place after they went through the disappointment of thinking they had the two anchors to build around here. And that was with a little flirtation with Butler, who clearly didn't want to be there long term, because I think it had more to do with the contract than it was his teammates.

So Butler was on his way out. I was looking at top young cores. There was a power rankings of young cores. I think I went back to 2015 to look at this. And Utah was ranked number one. And you're probably thinking, well, hey, Mitchell, Gobert, not a bad ranking. Maybe a little high. This is before Mitchell ever got there. The names that we had

that put together this young core in 15 as the best future for any team in the NBA was Trey Lyles, Dante Axum, Trey Burke, Rodney Hood, Favors, and that was with Gobert and a very still young and healthy at this point Gordon Hayward. It worked out for Utah, but not because of any

of those pieces because hell, they lost Hayward for nothing on top of everything else. Oklahoma City in 2012, probably one of the best young cores we've had in the modern era. KD, Westbrook, Harden, and Serge. A terrific job by Presti putting that together, knowing to grab Serge.

Durant was a no-brainer at that point, being aggressive with the Westbrook part of it. And then Harden, who wasn't a no-brainer pick either at that time because you were kind of like, is this guy actually going to be athletic enough? They make it to the NBA Finals, they lose to the Heat. And then because they weren't – this is the part about the Harden thing, and that's never been – when I see people try to beat up on Harden, who would ever do that? They'll be like, well, you know? He's always asking away from teams.

Him wanting out of Oklahoma City to make more money, that was fine. He did the right thing, and he got his own team, and he became a much better player, I think, than a lot of us thought he could be coming out of the role that he had in Oklahoma City. But what was so short-sighted is that the Thunder let him bounce, not factoring in any of the new TV

revenue that would have made Harden's contract laughable to move on from. So he made a little bit of extra money. The pieces coming back historically were not very good for Oklahoma City, but that's the best example of a young core that we get you so excited that actually won some games and got themselves to an NBA Finals. And who knows what would have happened 16 had they not blown the 3-1 lead would they have beaten Cleveland in 16 in the NBA finals.

I don't know. I think Iguodala or I forget who. Somebody had said it later on. They were like, oh, Oklahoma City actually would have beaten Cleveland. Super easy to say for something that was never going to happen. Philadelphia is a weird example of the plan didn't really work, yet they're still kind of in the mix. But I don't know how much it had to do with Hinckley.

Hinckley was smart enough to take Embiid third when people were worried about his medicals. But some of the other stuff, whether it was Nerlandz at six, that pick and trading it out for Drew Holiday, Jalil Okafor, Ben Simmons, who in retrospect, it was still the right pick at one, even though it's been a bit of a disaster. And then even though the Fultzatum thing was Colangelo, not

Hinckley, that's a team that had all these... If they had hit on one of those other assets, whether it was the Okafor year or taking Tatum instead of Fultz, some of the other stuff that ended up going wrong, I wonder how much better position they would have been. Honestly, Tatum with Philadelphia,

if they just stayed at number three and taken him, I don't want to guarantee rings, but it would change the fortunes dramatically of two teams because Boston wouldn't even be in the conversation. So there are a lot of young teams that can have these amazing cores and a lot like the NFL quarterbacks that we're going to get to here with Breer. You'll think, oh man, remember how much I really liked that team? So maybe this is me getting excited about something that we know

is going to be at least 50% disappointing. But I just know this, watching some of these teams and these younger guys, I can't believe how much talent is on the supposed awful teams in the NBA. And that does feel different from years prior. Joining us from it looks like New Bedford, we've got Albert Breer hanging out outside with us, the MFQB. All right, let's go over some off-season questions, quarterback related, right? Are you ready for this? I'm ready to go. Okay, this first one's going to take a little while to set up, but what is the most concerning development for these three quarterbacks coming off of last season?

The first one would be Hurts and the Eagles. Granted, it's not just all in the quarterback. The only playoff team going into the playoffs last year without a win against any team over.500. The Pats went from 2-4 to 9-4. Those wins with Mack were against the Jets, the Chargers, Carolina, Cleveland, Atlanta. They did beat Tennessee

and then had that weird Buffalo game, which I don't think meant anything because then they lost to them 33-21 and then 47-17 in the playoffs. Or the Tua question. They had this awesome win streak, but when you looked at it, it was that weird Baltimore game

where Tua had eight completions. They beat Flacco, Cam Newton, who got benched, Mike Glennon, Zach Wilson, and then Ian Book to go to eight and seven. So you add all that stuff up. And I know during those win streaks and when teams are rolling,

you're like, oh, wow, these guys are figuring it out because that's just what we do, whether win or lose with the quarterbacks. But what do you think is maybe the most concerning going into this year? If you're asking me which team is least sold, the guy they have is the answer

and would be the easiest one to move off of. Their guy would probably be Philly. And I think a big part of that is, and I don't know how many people picked up on this, but six, eight weeks into the season last year, they changed play callers and they basically installed the Oklahoma run game to make Jalen Hurts more comfortable. And to his credit, Hurts played great down the stretch.

But we've seen this before. We've seen coaching staff bring in a version of a quarterback's college offense and it works for a while. And then eventually like that quarterback has to evolve and we haven't seen Hertz have to evolve quite yet. And so like, I look at like what you're talking about with the Eagles, not having wins over quality teams and like, what were they able to do schematically? And there's at least some concern there like to, uh, I don't know. I mean, I think that they've put themselves in a position where they're going to be able to get answers on him because they've put enough around him now. And they're going to have him playing in a traditional NFL offense. And he has played in a couple different offenses now. So I think you can look at Tua and say, even if he's just an average player,

what he's done is a little bit more sustainable. And then I think what we know about Mac now is, at the very least, I think he can be a good NFL quarterback. Can he elevate past the Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins level? We'll see. But I think we at least know Mac can be a good NFL quarterback. And what he did, I think, as a rookie does look like it's sustainable. Bigger concern, Mahomes without Tyreek Hill or Rodgers without Devontae Adams?

I would say probably Mahomes without Hill just because of what Hill would do to defenses on a week-to-week basis. I think if you look at the way the teams played the Chiefs throughout last year, you saw they almost exclusively went too high. And Mahomes' best game early in the year, before the Chiefs adjusted, was against the Raiders, and it was because the Raiders were stuck with Gus Bradley playing the old school, like Seattle cover three. And they were able to kind of make big plays down the field. So much of it, like,

I think for my homes was learning how to be patient and a big part of learning how to be patient was all right. Like they've got the deep parts of the field covered. Can I go 10 plays, 12 plays, 14 plays instead of going six plays? And now with Hill out of the equation, that amount of space that Hill was creating naturally for everybody gets closed down a little bit.

I think both of them are going to be fine, but I just think we've seen Rogers play with less a lot more than we've seen it from Mahomes at this point because things have been set up nicely for Mahomes over the first five years of his career. Yeah, I guess I'm just like the Hill part of it where, you know, it felt like, and again, I didn't really feel this way,

but where it was like, oh, what's going on here? Oh, they're, they're taking away everything deep. He's not taking the throws underneath. You know, he needs to do a better job with that. I don't know if it was people I really trust saying, all of a sudden, the league has figured out Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. As if it was a fluky first few years to his career.

I'll just never believe that. I just think he's too skilled and that he'll figure it out. But the non-hill part of it, it does at least change what you're doing in game preparation leading up to the week against him because there isn't this thing you're constantly worried about streaking down the sideline. And he's so unique. I mean, like, if you look at it, Ryan, like, look at the draft, right? Like, look at who the first receiver taken in the draft has been or the high picks have been at receiver the last few years.

Like, Hollywood Brown was the first one to go in 2019. He's a burner. years. Like Hollywood Brown was the first one to go in 2019. He's a burner, you know, in 2020, I believe Henry rugs was the first one to go right over Judy and lamb and those guys in 21. Yeah. I mean, Chase went first, but then Jalen Waddle went with the sixth overall pick. So you see like how the league has really started to value players who can bring something to the table that maybe approximates what Hill was,

what Hill is, but there's only one Tyreek. And so I just think, and I talked to Mahomes about this a couple months ago, about how the way the teams were playing him and the way the teams were playing Tyreek did force him to adjust. And to his credit, he did adjust. You know, and like you look like at the numbers, the last six weeks of the year and into the playoffs, and I know he had the hiccup in the second half of the AFC championship game, but they really had learned

how to play it a little bit differently. Now the question again becomes, like, without that threat there, are teams still playing the Chiefs that way? And if they aren't't can Mahomes still play that game without like two safeties 25 yards off the ball can he still be that efficient passer underneath and and play the 10 play 12 play 14 play drive kind of game no it's a great point um because I just I can't I can't, oh, hey, remember when Mahomes was

better than everybody else and now it's different? It just seems impossible to me. Okay, this is a good one because of off of what we were talking about a little bit earlier, I feel like this is the Baker Mayfield theory puts a test. If you look back at his first year as a starter with Cleveland, remember they put together some wins

and they really figured some things out because I think at one point they were like two and seven, but they beat wins and they're like, you know, they really figured some things out because I think at one point they were like two and seven, but they beat Atlanta, they beat Cincinnati, they beat Carolina, they beat Denver. I think they,

if you put it all together, you were kind of like, you know what, they didn't really end up beating anybody that was that good, so maybe we didn't prove anything. You know, we get so caught up in the one loss record.

So, all right, looking at it that way, Baker started 59 games so far in his career, over under 40 starts for the rest of his career. I'm going to go over. I think he will win the job in Carolina this year, and that'll give him 17. So that would mean 23 starts, right? Like, so I think he gets over.

And here's the reason why. People have... I've said this a few times on a few different shows over the last month or so. And what Carolina's idea of bringing in Baker has been, it's more to raise the floor at the position than it is to raise the ceiling. And again, people hear me say that and they're like, well, are you saying Baker's average? I'm like, no, but I think at a baseline, he can be average for you. And that's better than what Carolina had. His baseline is a pretty good NFL quarterback.

And Carolina felt like we have to at least get average at the position after the way the bottom fell out on Sam Darnold. least get average at the position after the way the bottom fell out on Sam Darnold after and you know with the transition that Matt Corral is going to be making from you're coming from Lane Kiffin's offense at Ole Miss going into the NFL we at least have to keep the bottom from falling out and so what Baker does for them is he like creates a baseline of average and Ryan quarterbacks like that last in the NFL you know what I mean like As long as he can show that he can work within the framework of a team, even if he's not someone's long-term starter, three, four years from now, maybe somebody's drafting Arch Manning first overall,

and Baker is the guy who's kind of the wily veteran who's the stand-in starter until Arch is ready. You know what I mean? So I think like Baker, if he can prove that he can operate in like the right sort of way within a team and be the right kind of leader and all those sorts of things,

like, you know, like how Josh McCown added like 10 years to his career just because he's a good guy. If Baker can do that, like, I don't know that anybody's going to make him their long-term starter, but I do think he's going to continue to get chances to be sort of the holdover guy or the bridge guy for teams,

and I think that'll put him over 40 starts. Could you compare two different personalities in McCown and Baker, though? No, I know it, but that stuff comes in different packages. You know what I mean? McCown was like coaching high school football, and then the Bears bring him in, and he looks good in a few spots and like he's a really good guy in the locker room and all of a sudden the guy like wound up making like 30 or 40 million dollars more than he would have you know like like chase daniel's obviously the best example of it

and i understand like this different personalities but but like if Baker can, cause I think that this, I think this person is inside Baker. Like he was a really good leader at Oklahoma and the people in that program loved him. And that's one of the main reasons he went first overall. Like part of the issue in Cleveland was he was trying to be that guy and he didn't have those skins in the wall, you know? So like when you're getting in the guard's face for missing an assignment in practice and three plays later, you screwed something up. Like that's tough. in the wall. So when you're getting in the guard's face for missing an assignment in practice, and three plays later, you screwed something up, that's tough. If he can get to the point where

he's sort of the leader he was at Oklahoma, where he's the guy who knows the offense inside and out and can kind of be that sort of presence for your quarterback room, for your locker room, that sort of presence for your quarterback room, for your locker room, he can create like a 15, 20 year career for himself, even if he doesn't wind up being one of these guys. And they're very, very rare that comes back after failing as a first round pick and becomes a franchise quarterback somewhere else.

Yeah, at this point with the Baker conversation, you know, the first couple of years throwing a bunch of picks, that third year statistically is really good. But as I mentioned on the previous year there was there was kind of like carryover of like all right who are they beating that's actually good which i think is always a good thing to remind ourselves of because we can see a team finish stronger quarterback have a nice two-month stretch and you're like okay but sometimes it's the schedule and it isn't necessarily you when you talk to front office people now with carolina which is odd enough

that they're sitting here with the number one and number three pick from a draft four years ago, is the conversation the same? Is it different about how Darnold and Baker are already on to their second teams? You mean unlike the quarterbacks themselves? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think the belief in Sam Darnold is gone now.

Now, like people in Carolina, I'll tell you, Ben McAdoo actually thinks there's something there to work with and that they saw some edge in him in the spring and saw some fire that they hadn't seen previously. He's such a nice guy, and he'd sort of been this docile personality. They saw a little bit more from him in the spring, but I think most other NFL people believe Sam Darnold was more of a projection than people realized coming out of USC.

And he just never really developed into an NFL quarterback. I think the way Baker's looked at, this is such an interesting thing. I don't know if people have realized how the bar has been raised across the NFL at that position. Especially if you're in the AFC and you're looking at the next 10 years. position where, especially if you're in the AFC and you're looking at the next 10 years, it's like, all right, like I got to get by Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, like all these guys are in their mid twenties, you know? And so like, I think that's why, like, if you're the Rams with Jared Goff or you're the Niners with Jimmy Garoppolo, you're like, I have to be better.

And that's what the Browns did. They looked at Baker and it wasn't that they didn't think Baker could be a competent NFL quarterback. And I think 10 years ago, Baker would have gotten a second contract the same way Garoppolo got the big deal with the Niners and Goff got a big deal. Back when you looked at it and said, well, if we have just a good player at the position, we have to hang on to him. Now teams are looking to level up from that so i think baker's sort of this guy who has become this like middle of the league middle of the middle of the pack starter who you're okay with him as your starting quarterback but if but you're always going to be left wanting for more and so if you have him on your team as your starter you have him there and it's like okay like he can hold the fort for a couple

years but we have to keep our eye out for something better no it's a good point it's a good reminder we start looking at like guys on their own and you'll be like look at these stats these are pretty good you go yeah they're really good 10 years ago but that's not what the position is anymore and if you're you know 25 touchdowns 10 picks but you's not what the position is anymore. And if you're 25 touchdowns, 10 picks, but you're not necessarily airing it out, you don't feel you're super dynamic. You know what I mean? Some of the basic stats for guys that are on the second half

outside of the top 15, top 16, some of the stats can still look really good, but now you just have to kind of figure out a way to get back to that top group, and that's just not... It's interesting. Would Eli Manning win two Super Bowls in this era? Would Joe Flacco win a Super Bowl in this era? Because would Russell Wilson in his second year win a Super Bowl in this era?

I think it's a really interesting question to ask because there's always those two categories of quarterbacks, right, Ryan? There's the quarterback you win because of the quarterback you can win with and it used to be like if you were really really good around the quarterback you can win with you could win a super bowl right if everything went right now it's like you almost have to be perfect around a quarterback like that and you see it when brady comes back from 28 to 3 you see it when the niners outplay the chiefs for three and a half quarters and mahomes just erases it you know in the fourth quarter of that game you know like that's what it is now is like and if you're in the AFC like you might have to beat three of those guys in a row just to get to the

Super Bowl you know and so I think that's sort of where the psychology that obviously has always been the most important position but it's almost like that's like leveled up now where is like a is the 12th best quarterback in the nfl good enough you used to be like maybe you could win with that guy now it's a lot more difficult now maybe you're like the 45 win nba team you know what i mean yeah no i i totally agree with you and i you know i think wilson who he was in the beginning of his career they they didn't ask him to do a ton, you know, which is the irony of his frustration that he wanted to be asked to do even more. He clearly developed into somebody who deserved to be asked to do more. But early on, like, look at the attempts. You know, I remember looking at like Andrew Luck versus Wilson coming in and the amount of stuff that like Luck had to carry everything about that team in the beginning,

Wilson didn't, but then he actually turned into one of those guys. So in the beginning, even with Wilson, I was like, is he really going to be? And then ultimately, I think it got to a point or I would say a status in the league where it wasn't even debatable that he was top five. I don't think people really recognize how ridiculous what Luck did was.

That team got torn down. Remember, they cut all those guys, like Dwight Franey, Gary Brackett, all those guys that have been there forever. They put him in there as the starting quarterback of a completely torn down roster. He makes the playoffs in year one, goes another round

in year two, goes to the AFC championship in year three. As the guy who's carrying the team in year one, year two, year three, it's really a shame what happened to him because I don't think people recognize how ridiculous what he did was. Look, we are on the same page on that one, man.

I almost feel like he's become underrated. But then when you're just like, I'm done, I'm over it, then you're thinking, okay, well, am I supposed to praise this guy for shutting it down? But to step into the league with that team immediately have success uh that that was pretty remarkable all right so this is a perfect segue off of baker and darnell the number one and number three pick from just a few years ago being on the same team different teams from where they were drafted let's ask you a totally unfair question about the 2021 draft class because this is what what, I mean, the math tells us

a couple of these guys aren't going to be on the team that took them. And it seems really unfair just after one year. But I'll give you two options. Zach Wilson with the Jets or Justin Fields with Chicago. And is it Buckeyes? This is probably terrible to ask you. I should probably save this for somebody else. Well, the 18 class is the right example to bring up

because I feel like with the exception of Rosen, everybody felt really good about where they were with their quarterbacks. And you remember then people were like, like Josh Allen was probably, a lot of people felt better about Darnold and Bayfield than they felt about Josh Allen after that first year. You know what I mean?

And then you had Lamar, of course, who was a 32nd pick. I would probably go with Zach Wilson right now, despite where I went to school. And the reason why is I just, I think so much of this comes down to investment, Ryan. Maybe this is a cop-out answer, but I think they've got comparable ceilings. I think the difference right now

is the situation the two guys are in. And if you look, basically where Justin Fields is right now, he's got a new coach who didn't draft him. He's got a new GM who didn't draft him. And they just ripped the roster apart, which needed to be done. But now they're in year one of a rebuild, and he's in year two. And generally, you have to make these decisions after three or four years. Compared to Wilson, the coach who drafted him is there.

The GM who drafted him is there. They've been building up for a while. The offensive line in front of them, there's been a ton of investment there with Becton and Farrah Tucker and Tom Linson and fan. They just drafted Garrett Wilson in the first round. They drafted Elijah Moore last year. They signed,

you know, they, they, they've signed, received it. They kept Braxton barrios and like and you look in the backfield michael carter they drafted kid from iowa state this year it's just like the level of investment and then the timeline i think matches up better with

zach wilson than it does with justin fields right now that doesn't mean justin fields can't make it but like i think to some degree like you have to look at these situations and it's like robert sala and joe douglas are sink or swim with zach wilson like like matt eberflus and and ryan poles are evaluating justin fields and i think that's a very very important distinction to make between the two yeah that's exactly i feel like when you when you come in after the first guy got fired, it's just you tell

the ownership, like, well, we'll fix this guy. And then, because he's still not your guy, that's how you get the job. And then you keep your job

by saying, yeah, we don't think this is the guy. Yeah, and then there's almost an incentive because it's like if you have a rough first couple years,

you can say, well, if we just get another guy in here, I swear we're close. And then if you have a rough first couple years you can say well like if we just get another guy in here i swear we're close and then if you draft one in the first round you've just like bought yourself another two years because it's like well you gotta let the guy develop you know what i mean like so i think fields is playing from behind from that standpoint whereas wilson's timeline the people around him are all invested in him all right yeah that was good it's totally unfair so try not to whoever's listening that totally unfair. So try not to, whoever's listening to that, Bears or Jets fans, try not to get too upset about everything you just heard.

Okay, we know Dak got paid. And he got paid in a big way. I mean, he held out. He got a nice offer. He said, I want more. He broke his leg. And he still got paid. He got taken care of.

So pretend he's not been paid and everything's equal. Who would you rather pay the big contract to, Dak or Lamar? I think Lamar. It's with the caveat, and again, this is another cop-out, but you have to be willing to play offense a certain way with him,

but he's so unique and so different. And I'd be a little concerned about the injuries, but the way NFL contracts work, I'm assuming this is not going to be Deshaun Watson contract. Like you can usually get out of them after three years. And I just think what Lamar is, is so unique and so different and stresses defense in such a, is such a, like,

like the guy, he's the guy who keeps the defensive coordinator up at night on Saturday night. And I just think you maybe have to have a little bit less right around Lamar than you do Dak. I think Dak is a really good, efficient quarterback. But I do think that you have to have a lot of things right around Dak to really make it go with him. Whereas with Lamar, I think he sort of buys you a little bit more margin for error. So I'd probably take Lamar so long as you're willing to play the right sort of offense around him.

Okay. You can't throw him out there and think that he's going to be Tom Brady because that's not what he is. You have to play a certain way with him. Yeah. I wonder if more people would answer Dak just because you don't have to tailor everything to it the way you do with Lamar. Yeah, I wonder if more people would answer Dak just because you don't have to tailor everything to it

the way you do with Lamar. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. Again, I guess maybe this is me looking at it in that Alan Mahomes, Burrow. When we were going through the AFC quarterbacks, I don't think I even mentioned

Joe Burrow, who was in the freaking Super Bowl, by the way. I look at where the bar is and how you're going to beat those teams and how you're going to be able to beat some of those teams in succession and what you're up against in the NFL, I just think maybe Lamar has a little bit more of an ability to take over a game in a one-off situation than Dak does. But that's just me. A couple things here to finish up here. What do you think happens with the Deshaun Watson ruling?

Because I've heard rumors about what has been recommended to Goodell. I just have a hard time believing that, you know, Goodell's in a position no matter what he does, he's going to get ripped for it. I bring up the Ray Rice jokes that come up on Twitter all the time, which I totally understand and the frustration behind it. But I'd like to remind people that you actually did get the suspension that you wanted, which

was the end of his career, which was all the owners individually, collectively deciding we're never signing Ray Rice and his career was over. So people that think that the NFL, you know, it may not have been the paperwork and the direct memo, but you still got what you wanted. Uh, if you wanted Ray Rice to never play football again. So with Deshaun, we know he's playing football again. But because of the years of people doubting that Goodell gets this, I wonder if he would take any recommendation or agree with a recommendation that's less than a year. Right. So let's start here.

No one knows what Sue Robbins is going to do. So she is a former U.S. District Court judge. I know you know that, but for people who don't, she's the one who will be making the initial ruling. And I think because of that, it's very unpredictable. That said, I can sort of read the tea leaves and the way that the two sides are acting. And one thing I heard definitively is she wasn't happy about the NFL's position becoming public and getting out there while the hearings were going on. And I just think the NFL is savvy enough from a PR standpoint and savvy enough just from an operations standpoint where if they felt like they had an airtight case, they would not

say anything. They would not want to risk pissing the judge off. They would keep quiet and let the process play out, confident they were going to get their year or their indefinite suspension. The fact that they got their side of the story out there so aggressively over the last month tells me they aren't comfortable with the way that all this is going. And they feel like it's important that everybody else knows this is what we want. We wanted a year out there. I also know that they only brought the cases of five of the 66 women and four of the 24 that sued and then another woman on top of that and i do think that watson's side in the union feel comfortable with where they're at that

this is not an open and shut case and so like if i had to guess and again rob nobody knows what robinson's gonna do i think this comes down at like maybe half the season and maybe like a higher number like 10 or eight with the ability, if you hit conditions to knock it down to eight or six, the way Roethlisberger suspension was. And then it gets really interesting. Cause like you said, like Roger can step in and change that if he wants,

but will he, because like the owners have, I mean, Jerry has been the most vocal about it, but the owners have been pretty, I would say forthright over the last few years about wanting to get out of the business of being judge, jury, and executioner

in cases like this. And that was part of why they negotiated this process with the union in the first place. So it'd be a little weird if the first high-profile case like this, the first thing you do with an arbitrator that you brought in, who's obviously got a great track record, is completely disregard what she says. That to me, I wonder if that would create more problems than it would solve. And so how

does the NFL have its cake and eat it too? The NFL has its cake and eats it too by saying, listen, we wanted a year. In fact, we wanted an indefinite suspension. And the reason the settlement talks broke down, and I've been told this by a bunch of different people, is because the NFL was adamant on a year. So if you're the NFL and you want to have your cake and eat it too, you get that side of the story out there. And then if it comes in a little bit lower than that, you say, well, we have to respect this process that we negotiated a couple of years ago. So we're not happy about it, but we're going to go forward with what Sue Robinson decided to do.

That was a great answer too, because as you're giving me all the levels to it, I'm just thinking in my head of all of the different reactions that'll all be disappointment. You know, where it's like, well, hey, you're the commissioner. You're supposed to step in and do this. If it's, I knew no matter what, if it ends up being less than a year, I was thinking,

would Goodell just go ahead and say, all right, well, here's a win for me by whatever the recommendation is. Say it's eight, 10 games. I'll just double it for the full year. So it makes me look, but back to the original point, um, from the inception of Goodell saying, I'm taking the controlling role

here on punishment because going back, I don't know. I remember sitting with TJ Hushman Zada and ESPN radio studio, where I was like, what do you think of all this stuff? And I don't think he's care that I'm sure he's like, good. He's like, you know, these other guys that are screwing up that make the rest of us look bad. i'm not i'm not against some of these guys getting punished and and i think it felt like fans wanted more punishment they wanted people to be held accountable more and so goodell was responding to that but then once you start doing it it immediately turns into why are you the guy that has all of this power why are you doing this but i also think it's a it's a good to people, if you're the owners and you're the commissioner, if you have a really successful business,

you're not necessarily in a hurry to invite in an independent third party to go through all your dirty laundry and then start punishing you and your employees. Who would own a business that would say, hey, you actually own the business and everybody works for you and you pay them, but you actually are not going to be in charge of any of the discipline. And again, you could say Goodell doesn't pay the salaries, but he's just an extension of the owners and working for them. So it's kind of the same thing. So you're right. That's a really like, here we go. Here's the new process. This is what we're doing. Here's a recommendation. And because of PR, I'm going to double it and ignore what your recommendation was on the legal side of it, just as a commissioner, this is it's, you know what it is?

It's another, it's another probably no NPR moment. It's just a matter of how long it'll last for the reaction to it. Right. And like, I think like the turning point really what there's Josh Brown, but, and obviously like Rice and Hardy and Peterson were a big part of this too.

But I do think like the turning point was Zeke and there was no criminal charges against Zeke. And like the fact that the NFL still came in and punished him, like sent Jerry Jones up a wall, you know? And like, there's just been this feeling from owners that like, and that's why,

like, honestly, you see so many of these teams. It's like, we got to respect the legal process. We can't intervene before the cops are done with their investigation. power. We're not the police. We're not the FBI. Let's let the legal process take its course with all of these, and then we'll make a decision on the back end on what we want to do. And because there's civil versus criminal, this one's a little bit more complicated, which is why you have the arbitrator in there to be able to take the decision out of your hands.

We could end it there. Anything else, though? Do we need to ask about Jimmy G? Is there anything else that you have for us that we should hit you up on? Yeah, I mean, the Jimmy G situation is interesting just because I think money is going to come into it because of where we are in the calendar. I actually think Jimmy has become a little bit underrated. He's been in the NFC Championship game two of the last three years. He's not a bad player, but the shoulder obviously screwed up the timing. Guy's got a year left on his contract, and you get a shoulder injury that could screw up that one year, he's going to be tough to move.

So he's got to prove he can throw. What's interesting, and I think this has gone a little underreported, the Niners have been 100% willing to let other teams come in and talk with Jimmy's camp about renegotiating his number. And it's different than Baker's, as you know, because Baker's money was all guaranteed. None of Jimmy's money is guaranteed. what happens with Jimmy is going to come down to how do you thread the needle if you're Jimmy to, I want to go start somewhere else. I want to get what I'm worth. But I also understand that there's probably not going to be a team out there with the cash or cap flexibility to give me what's on my contract right now. And so to me, once he's able to throw... Is there a team out there that's willing to negotiate his number down? And is Jimmy willing to negotiate his number down? And are the

Niners willing to take on a little bit of the money to sort of buy back a draft pick? There's a lot more moving pieces with the Jimmy situation than I think people realize. And I think he's a better player than people realize too. So it'll be interesting to see if the Niners maybe wait a couple weeks in the camp and it turns into either there's an injury somewhere or somebody's not happy with their quarterback situation. Now, all of a sudden, you have a home for him. Yeah, if you've waited this long, I think that's exactly the play. All right, let's see where you're at two weeks into camp,

two of the exhibition games, somebody blows out a knee. Yeah. And maybe we get a better price than whatever they were offered around draft time at free agency. Thanks as always, man. Enjoy the little break here because I know you guys get it cranking up soon. So we'll talk then. Absolutely.

Always a pleasure, Ryan. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid.

So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. LifeAdviceRR at gmail.com What's up, guys? How's everyone doing? We have a funny story from the week. But i don't know if i'll share it now maybe we'll just do it thursday uh because i don't know how it's going to go over but it's just sort of funny it's just funny i don't know there you go there's a tease yeah i want to laugh for you okay but then again i don't

know i mean it's not like the you know it's not the all-timer of all-timers but we'll uh I don't know it's not the all timer of all timers but I don't know maybe I'll test it out market test it we'll workshop it a little bit with the guys alright here we go the title here is do you tell the future lady about your debt

this doesn't sound very good not worth mentioning how big or tall, but I do stay fit. All right. How healthy is your bank account, bro? What do you mean it's not worth mentioning? It's weird.

It's not worth mentioning? This is already off to a... Yeah, we're at a sketchy start with this one. I wanted to send this back when you were working with Danny, but was too embarrassed. But I have to believe there's someone else out there now who's in the same

shoes and I wish I reached out then. I'll ask if it was then. So what are we going back in time and everything's fine now? Yeah, he wants a ruling from four years ago. Yeah. Next email. The answer is tell her about the debt. That's the answer.

Wait. No's the answer. Wait. No, I know. I know. I'm kidding. I just don't like the idea. I just don't like the idea of actually having to do that. It's just one of those way easier said than done things. Good luck. I had a buddy who dumped his girlfriend because her credit score

sucked. He was going to marry her. It was just the credit score. It wasn't to marry her but it was just the credit score it wasn't like I mean I guess the credit score is usually means there's probably something else waiting in the wings there yeah sounds like it wasn't a super stable relationship

if that's what pushed it over the edge but hey we were kind of blown away he was older she was younger she was you know wasn't too bad to look at. And he was very principled about the whole thing. He was just like, she didn't tell me about all these loans and her credit was fucked up.

And he's like, if I'm going to buy a house and your name is on it and everything, the rate's going to get all screwed up. He was... Wow. Some people are just... Look, there rate's going to get all screwed up. Wow. Some people are just, look, there's people listening to this right now going, absolutely, it's a partnership.

You've got to be totally upfront. I would be like, oh, do we get along? Yeah, all right, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. That's probably the wrong way to go about it, but this one guy was like incensed. He was so upset. And then a couple of guys were like, you don't think you're being a little harsh?

And he's like, what's wrong with you guys? So I don't know. I can only tell you how I would feel about it. And I might be wrong. So I don't even think there's a right or wrong for this one. I just know it either bothers people. It's a non-starter for some people, which I sort of get. And for other people, they look past it, which I also get.

So there you go, neutral over here. Yeah, I just have a hard time believing. I'd be like, yeah, I love this girl, but her credit score is 520. So she's got the chop. Wait, so when you get married, is it like, well, it's our debt, right? Basically, that's exactly how it works.

So if you can make it past the goalie. You rethinking things? Oh, I'm So if you can make it past the goalie. You're rethinking things? I'm just wondering. You make it past the goalie and it's like, now we have to figure this out, right? It's not like I have to figure it out anymore. Now it's we. Or no. Yeah, I mean,

that's kind of, like, if, look at it this way. If you're going to get a mortgage, you're trying to get approved for a mortgage, and your credit score is awesome and hers isn't, you're going to get a different product here. So let's say we're not necessarily trying to get something together, but let's say stuff's starting to come to the house with somebody's name on it. It's like, oh, we're collecting this. Are they now collecting it from us or it's still just you, even though you're married totally hypothetical

sir do you want to take this one i don't know i don't honestly know the answer so when i got married we both didn't really have i mean we had student loans that's about it but i wasn't like in charge of maddie's student loans when we got married they didn't i wasn't getting it wasn't like addressed to steve and mr and Mr. and Mrs. Cerruti. From the University of Connecticut or for Sally May or whatever. So I don't know. That was the only debt

that we took on, I think. And then we did buy a house together, but, you know, we both had decent credit scores, so it was kind of fine. So I don't actually know the answer. Wait, wait, wait. I would assume yes.

Are you asking Kyle if all of a sudden her bills start to become delivered to you with your name on it i'm wondering i don't know i don't know okay no no no like you still can't hurt you if she doesn't pay them that's what that's the point yes yes that's that's yeah you don't get married and all of a sudden yeah yeah right like why am i getting billed for equinox you got married dude that's how it happens uh no that's I just mean like an old Cedar side.

It's like, yeah, I don't really, I think they messed up with that billing or something. Is that going to like start showing up to the house? It doesn't matter. Forget it. You've already answered it. Yeah. No, I just think that if somebody,

somebody, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't want to start scaring away younger dudes here. But yeah, if the person you're going to marry all of a sudden has all this secret debt that you didn't know about, it's a devious thing.

It's something that also makes you think, well, if you're capable of doing this, what else could you have done potentially? What about when you get divorced? Do you split the debt when you get divorced? Probably not, right? No, if you're the debt when you get divorced probably not right no if you're the guy you lose almost all your shit and then you also take on some of the debt or she gets all the debt too it doesn't i just need to stop this i still haven't even set a date

for the wedding guys don't worry no people are gonna listen to that i'd be like i actually think there should be a common sense lawyer where it would just be like and it doesn't mean i'm pro kevin federline after the britney spe thing. It's not a sexism thing. I just think that there should be courts in divorces that go, hey, this guy probably could have met somebody else. And then the same thing for Britney Spears. It'd be like, she could have dated anybody. You're just a fucking dancer in a tank top off to the side.

Like, we're just going to cut you a minimal check and keep it moving. Right. I think that's how people should look at it in divorce where it's not just, or like the standard of living thing that happens. Like, and I'm talking on either side of this, by the way, this is, this is not, it just sort of, you know, tends to happen one way more than the other. But you know, if you're loaded and then you meet somebody who isn't, and then, you know, you hang out for a few years. Now, all of a sudden, you're supposed to pay to that person's standard of living.

Yeah. Like, what was the standard of living going to be not meeting me? So, all right. Maybe we're going a little too deep down. I can't imagine what the responses are going to be to that. Some philosophical people would just be like, no, you have it all wrong. Like, I don't know. Do I?

Yeah. I just think this should be. No kids involved also. Like, this is just two people no kids involved no kids involved no if you if you have a couple of kids and you're you're supporting somebody that's totally different uh that's that's totally different i'm glad you said that great qualifier dude yeah great quality saves saves me and people being like is he the biggest asshole ever? Like, oh, no, he's still, maybe sometimes, but not. All right.

I don't know. I'm slim pickings here right now. Okay. 5'11", 185, played college tennis three years, got bored, played rugby my senior year. Look out. So I've got this dog who has twice as many Instagram followers as me.

Okay. Eight years old, 90 pounds. Golden Doodle. You familiar with the species, guys? Very popular. Yeah, very popular. Okay. Who's generally a good boy.

Gets along with everyone. I don't know. I might be worse with dog life advice than I would be with human marriage and divorce kids life advice. He busts out this mean bark uh for door-to-door salesman he uh lets my toddler use him as a pillow um so i guess he's good i don't know all right whatever however he's got one incredibly bad habit that he can't shake

he eats socks lots of them so much that i need a sock subscription service to replenish the ones he eats he's a big dog he's able to digest 99% of them. My ballpark guess is that I found 100 of them digested in my backyard. But it's the 1% that's cost me thousands of dollars, nearly five figures because they get stuck in his intestines and it requires surgery to get them out. He recently had one lodged so bad that he had a vet remove three feet of his small intestine.

He's only one week removed from surgery. I believe he just ate another sock despite wearing a dog cone. I know you're thinking just don't leave your socks around on the ground. You nailed it. Totally. That's what I was thinking. Why are there hundreds of socks around? Hundreds!

Our guy's claiming he spent almost $10,000 on fucking socks. No, that's... No, no. He's saying with the medical bills. That's very unrealistic. Yeah. Well, I just factored it all in.

Sock and sock removal. Nope. Good catch. Good catch. Yeah. Because as I read it, I was like, wait. Sandals guy. Yeah.

Slides alone. I'm down four Gs. Birkin socks are really in right now. Although some people wear those with socks. I wouldn't. Well, this guy can't wear them with socks. He doesn't have any lying around. They're all gone.

Okay, so easier said than done with a messy wife who doesn't use a hamper and two kids under three years old. So it's their fault. If you're getting married, should your wife tell you that she doesn't use a hamper

and reveal all of her debt not to mention the dog is tall enough and strong enough to get in any hamper laundry basket and open dryer what do i do do i just keep dropping thousands on these surgeries do i keep a muzzle on him do i keep him gated in his own room do i turn my family into a no sock sandal only family do Do I let the next stuck sock end him? All right. Nah, man. Yeah, we can't do that. All right.

We love him, but he's burning through what's left of our savings after just adopting a baby for $35,000. I don't know how you can keep going on like this. I don't know how you can keep going on like this. I'm not saying don't get the next surgery, but like, uh, I don't, I don't have any solutions for this one.

I mean, I know everyone's going to email in and just say, be better with your socks. The guy's trying, it's not working out. It's not working out. Could you keep them out of one room where all the socks go? Maybe like you have soccer. Maybe you have to be super village vigilant on where, if there's any socks on the ground um but maybe there's just the socks all

the hampers are in the bedroom or something i don't know i don't know hamper room trainer great farm upstate i don't know can we yeah well there you go kyle no uh i don't think we're there yet why don't we what about a trainer i don't understand like can you can we get a trainer in there to like you know there's certain things you could do because i'm kind of going through this right now where um i have two dogs i have a uh they're both rescues one of them is like a 60 pound border collie but the other one is a uh is a dachshund mix so um they're cool they're awesome i would be bummed if they weren't around but they bark whenever someone comes to the door you probably heard them in some podcast recordings

like if we get a delivery there's like they're just losing their fucking minds um otherwise they're really good dogs but obviously i'm having a kid soon so we're kind of like we can't have these dogs like losing their minds every time someone like rolls up on our neighborhood and they get angry about it um so we're gonna hire a trainer and that's what we're gonna do so i'm assuming you could hire a trainer to like teach your dog not to eat shit that they shouldn't eat um because i had a cousin who's who's a dog which is like eat belts all the time and it's the same thing they had to get multiple surgeries it was like a total total nightmare and i think they ended up getting getting some training situation for them so i think it's a possibility i don't know if it's like a one size

fix all kind of thing and he's gonna stop eating socks but at least try I think it's a possibility. I don't know if it's like a one size fits all kind of thing and he's going to stop eating socks, but at least try there because it's probably not that hard. A couple hundred bucks. That's awesome advice. That's it. You nailed it. Because I think the rest of this is going to get really difficult. There's going to be some very pro dog people that get really mad that this guy is almost killing his dog because he can't put his socks away. So you got that part of it, right? And there's also people that like dogs more than people. So they don't even care about the kid part of it i mean i'm just sometimes i'll hear stuff or stories i'm like do you not care about the kid more than the fucking dog and i think sometimes deep down people be like really like dogs man um so this guy's gonna catch a ton of shit so for us to

suggest you know the other part of you like you're gonna get rid of the dog and give it up because it keeps eating socks because you can't put them away so this guy's going to be this guy's going to be in the crosshairs for the community right now and i think uh surdi offered the best chance at any advice but i'm sure he's probably tried that that's my guess that he's not emailing a show without trying to do some of these other things your advice is the best but i don't know i don't know how you don't think about that sometimes people don't think that they i mean it might not might not work. I'm not saying it will work, but it does seem like that's at least like step one. And he didn't mention it, so...

Did anybody else hear... Did he say he paid $35,000 to adopt a baby? I did. I was confused about that. Yeah. It sounds like you purchased a baby. It doesn't sound like you adopted a baby. Dude, do you know how expensive adoption is?

No. I don't actually know. Don't they need people to adopt babies? It doesn't matter. I'm not even in the game and I know that. I'm full of questions today. It doesn't make sense. It sounds like you'd be doing everyone a favor by adopting a baby rather than giving them

35 grand, whatever. No, man. It's expensive. Okay. All right. Last one. Okay. All right. We'll leave the name out of Last one. Okay. All right.

We'll leave the name out of this one. Hey, what's up? This isn't about me. I'm 5'11", 187. Thank you for the specificity on that one. I always feel like you're saying that word wrong. You go into it being like, do I try to say this? Am I going to hit it? Like, all right.

I think you nailed it. Yeah go into it being like, do I try to say this? Am I going to hit it? Like, all right. I think you nailed it. Yeah, nailed it. Moving on. This isn't a love triangle. It's more of a third wheel deal, but I have a friend who is the guy in the relationship who's

dating the female in the relationship after our freshman year of college. We're going to leave out names here because the guy kind of put a bunch of names in. All right. So the deal is he's dating this girl. We are all friends. I care about them both. But he is a hoe when he gets back to his hometown during the summer.

We live in the same town. We went to the same high school. So they're supposedly still together. And that's what she thinks. He keeps telling me it's summer zip code, bro. And that none of this counts. So my dilemma is this. I care enough about

her. I know what you guys think. It's not because I secretly want her. I just think what my buddy is doing is really shitty and I don't think you should want to do that to somebody else. Should I say something to her or tell him to say something to her?

I actually have a friend who did this. It's pretty crazy I'll leave out the names but yeah he finished up a year at school didn't do that well and he his parents didn't have you know he didn't come from a lot of money or anything so he

he got a job as a delivery guy, started delivering food, whatever. And he hit me up and he was like, dude, you will not believe what happened. I'm like, all right,

well tell me what happened. He's like, I delivered food to this lady. She was older. Um, he's like, it, it just,

it was right out of the movies it's on i was like all right but like what's the catch like there has to be a catch like i know you're a good looking guy or whatever but like you're just delivering food and it was just on and he's like yeah it was on i was like so like is it going to happen again he's like yeah i think so so it happens a couple more times but she wasn't like into him that way. She like knew what the deal was and he sort of knew what the deal was. And meanwhile, he has this girlfriend back at college and he spent the entire summer because

she had like told other women about him. No. Spent the entire summer telling other women like, Hey, if you ask for this delivery guy like just know that he's he's down he's down like don't worry if the fries travel well because they never do but it's it's on and so that's what he did all summer and dudes were like what are you gonna tell your girlfriend and he kind of felt like you know it wasn't really always about like i don't really feel

like i dated anybody and it wasn't really about like you know an emotional thing maybe sometimes it was sometimes it wasn't i don't know i think he like would dance with one of them or something. I don't know. I don't know. And, uh, Wednesday night, he ended up,

yeah, he ended up telling her and she was just like, how would you feel if I came back? It was like, Hey, fired up about this semester. By the way, I just slept with old dudes all summer.

That's crazy. I think, I think you, in college college you should be seasonally dating at least that's i did that a couple times it was like maybe we could do the whole year christmas break isn't so long or like date somebody for the summer and then leave but it's just they should you guys shouldn't even be in that situation like he should he's he shouldn't be a date dating guy i think uh especially what about prostitution though like if he just was like hey hey what though like what are the terms of this just feels like a different level

no that's fair it is a different level i'm just talking about the actual guy for the life advice i feel like if he's your friend maybe you should just like if it's gonna bother you i think maybe you could just try to convince your friend to not have a girlfriend. That might be cool. Otherwise, you're going to have to be like, alright, I'll ruin the friendship and then she probably isn't even going to be friends with me. Especially if she's friends with other people in the group. It's going to totally ruin

the dynamic. Hopefully, you could just maybe get him to convince himself that he shouldn't have a girlfriend at all. And then maybe he could have more fun in college. I don't know. Unless she's doing his homework or something. I feel like maybe that's the best way. That's a good call. It's to just see if maybe you could be like,

hey man, look how much fun you have. We could do this at school together. To start plan C is like, do you really want to date her? She's cool, but it seems like you got a good thing going here. You're doing all right for yourself on your own. We've had multiple, I feel like,

of these should I tell someone's like who should i tell the girl or the guy in situation it doesn't have to be cheating too it could be anything i i think we're all anti-snitching you just never tell the girl in the situation you just can't i just think if that's your guy if you're friends with him and he's your main friend like as much as you may like her as a friend like he is your friend you have to go to him first in the situation you cannot snitch on him you cannot tell her as a friend, like he is your friend. You have to go to him first in this situation. You cannot snitch on him. You cannot tell her.

Cause then that just, what's the end game there for you? It's just cool. You like blew up this relationship and then you're probably gonna have no friends. Neither of them are gonna want to be friends with you. Cause she's not going to like be like, Oh my God,

thank God you guys are going to hang out forever. So I just think you got, you gotta do what Kyle said. Just kind of maybe talk him into being single. And that's probably your best bet. Cause if it pisses you off I understand why it would piss you off

it would piss me off I think it is an annoying thing to do to like just cheat on your girl every time you like go away for a couple weeks but it's also not your life man like it's

if he wants to make decisions and mistakes then that's up to him so you can try to convince him that it's wrong but you cannot tell her so that's what I would say but he should tell her

like the guy the guy you could try to convince him to tell her but no he shouldn should tell her. Like the guy, David. The guy. You could try to convince him to tell her, but he should not be the one to break that news. He should just break up with her. He shouldn't tell her. Well, I think, you know, let him do what he wants,

but like at least try to convince him to be honest. Just break up with her? Don't tell her? Don't tell her. Why? What's the salt in the wound? For what? For what?

Well, because she could wonder for a while. She really cared about the guy. She could wonder for a long time it's simple as this it's summer vacation I don't really want to be dating someone that's far away from me on summer vacation and I'm a shitty I'm a shithead college student that's really all the information you need this guy's on a boy

band tear we're not even in mid July so you're probably right and you know who knows I mean I don't know if there would ever be a sequel to it but yeah I think we covered it yeah dumb snitch

convince him he can do this even in college okay that'll close it out for Summer League for us head it back thanks to Kyle thanks Steve please subscribe, rate, review the podcast Ryan Rissolo. Ringer. Spotify. Thank you.