The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Booger McFarland, Plus NFL Week 3 Awards

Episode Date: September 28, 2020

Russillo gives out NFL Week 3 awards (4:45) before he is joined by two-time Super Bowl champion and ESPN analyst Booger McFarland to discuss this week's games, including the showdown between the Cowbo...ys and Seahawks, Aaron Rodgers keeping the Packers rolling vs. the Saints, another tough week for Carson Wentz and the Eagles, and Josh Allen learning while winning. The guys also speculate about who'll be the first coach fired, discuss the 3-0 Steelers, evaluate the 2020 WR draft class, talk expectations for the Buccaneers, break down the rocky start for the LSU Tigers, and more (40:30). Finally, Ryen answers a listener-submitted Life Advice question (1:06:25). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:55 That's really all there is. Do you already like Cam Newton? Oh, yeah. No, I mean, do you already like him more than Tom Brady? Rank these Patriots. garoppolo brady and cam newton because you're a big jimmy g guy there yeah um i think i think cam's past he's past garoppolo for sure but um i don't know it's like a 20 20 years really when i started paying attention it was tom brady's like first year so it's hard to say man it sounds dirty to say okay the other reason i was thinking
Starting point is 00:01:26 about you as i was watching um a little bar rescue and they took it out on the road a little bit of a road show you know i have some issues with some of the flaws i think that they have in bar rescue where the stress test is just bullshit because you know it's no bar whatever say like well no it's just well that's that's one way some would agree with you i just think that it's unfair to ask your servers to handle everyone ordering a drink at the exact same time and then everybody's like oh my god i can't believe they can't keep up they're like what's going on with these orders who's who's who's getting the food out have you been waiting for a drink yeah they're making them dump their drinks because it's not perfect it's like it's
Starting point is 00:02:00 like three girls that were at you know tal, a Talbot's outside and be like, Hey, do you want to be in a TV show for four minutes? Be like, yeah. I'm like, all right, we're going to get you. Here's two tokens for Cosmos. And they'll just say like, have you, did you order? How long have you been waiting? 20 minutes.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Oh my God. She's been waiting 20 minutes. All right. So, uh, there's, there's a predictability. Although shout out to my man, Phil Wills, who's one of the resident mixologists. Uh, he's a guy from way back in my Burlington days who's one of the resident mixologists uh he's a guy from way back in my burlington days who's on the show now yeah it's crazy amazing guy great guy and uh they were at the bacardi casa i believe the home for bacardi so i immediately i'm like man
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Starting point is 00:03:41 I'll probably do some Celtics heat wrap stuff there at the end. And I'm not shocked, really really that Miami won the series. Bill and I actually both picked Miami. But then as it was playing out, I was kind of like, wait, Boston should be winning more of these games. They just weren't. And then what we saw in game six is kind of what Boston's deal was. This entire series is just a mess.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Just a mess late. Miami's better, tougher. That's the thing. It's like, man, those guys are just tougher than you are. They're smarter than you at the end of games. And I don't really know that you could debate it any other way. So we'll get to that coaching stuff in a little bit later. Bill's going to join me this week when the finals start on this podcast. So that's kind of how it works. It's really depending on how it plays out. So Booger McFarlane from ESPN, we're going to talk
Starting point is 00:04:20 some football with him. Also big LSU loss at home, Mississippi State getting leached at home. And Costello for Mississippi State throwing for 600 plus yards. It's almost like, hey, LSU missing all the guys from last year. Is that going to be a problem? Like, no, I'd be fine. They'll be fine. Like, no, no, it's not fine. Losing everyone is not fine.
Starting point is 00:04:44 And so they lose. So we'll talk probably a little college ball with Booger as well. But we start this week, as we will throughout the season, with our NFL awards. Hut, hut, hut. Okay, the Don Draper Award for Branding. It's your job. I give you money, you give me ideas. You never say thank you.
Starting point is 00:05:01 That's what the money is for. You're young, you will get your recognition. Goes to Russell Wilson's MVP campaign. Remember what Don Draper said in Mad Men? If you don't like what's being said, change the conversation. Well, this started in May, and it kind of started with some awareness. And I actually do not blame Russell Wilson for campaigning for this, because Russ, if he is anything publicly, he's over the top, humble and deferential to the point where it's actually more annoying than just being straight up humble. But he was on a radio station in Seattle and he was like, come on, no votes at
Starting point is 00:05:34 all. And it wasn't, it wasn't. Um, and by the way, Russ is so good that he should be allowed at times not be humble. Okay. That, that to me, like if you're, if you're deserving of it, it's okay to not be humble in some certain moments, but he had no votes there. Then people started saying, it's really weird that he had no first place votes. And if you dig into it, it actually isn't weird. If you go by every quarterback that's won the last few years, you're basically saying, Hey, you should have voted for the wrong guy. One of these last four or five years. And then Chris Collinsworth, it really picked up steam before the season. And Collinsworth took it to another level in the Sunday night broadcast of week two
Starting point is 00:06:09 and that Pats game where he said, hey, it's my fault. I actually had voted for him. I didn't get the ballot in on time. So now everything is about momentum for Russell Wilson and him winning his first MVP or at the very least getting a first place vote. The Vegas odds where he was behind
Starting point is 00:06:23 a handful of other quarterbacks, the Vegas odds actually have him as the favorite now. And the stats are incredible. And yes, he may be the guy he's deserving of it three games in. I mean, who cares? The past defense is atrocious now. It's gotten even worse in this past win against Dallas, where they were up and then had to hang on because that defense is so bad. And that's a defense that with Jamal Adams wasn't very good against the past. And then he's out of the game running up and down on the sidelines. By the way, one of the guys that was ahead of Russ in the MVP odds out of Vegas, that's Dak Prescott, who continues to be this artsy movie that I'm afraid I'm afraid to say, like, is it not any good? Like what? That's that's like the best. I mean, look, I love Inception. I always reference Inception all the time,
Starting point is 00:07:06 but there's people that try to argue like it isn't that good. And you're like, well, did you not get it? I feel like every time I look at Dak, look, Dak is good. Dak's raw numbers. We know how productive he's been. So let's pick it up where Dak is trying to get this game back. They went up 31-30 and then here we are in Seattle. Seattle goes up 38-31 and Dak starts moving the football.
Starting point is 00:07:24 But there's some specific plays in here that point to my struggling with Dak. Again, to phrase it again, I think Dak's really good. Probably the quarterback there for 10 years. I think we've made way too much out of this contract. He clearly wants more than the Cowboys wanted to offer, but the Cowboys offer was still really strong. And he wants to wait it out and get to like $40 million annually. That's fine and more guarantees because that's probably what he's going to end up getting,
Starting point is 00:07:42 even though I'm not quite sure how the new cap is going to work out but whatever the cap ends up going down from the pandemic it's going to go up because a new tv deal so there you go quick little history revision so um dac at first in 10 at seattle 22 there's 20 seconds uh 26 seconds left uh before the snap of the football okay so they just got in the second and seven first down um and Dak got it to Wilson who by the way just the the weapons here for Dallas like I still think even though they're one and two and that division is so bad that was something else I started thinking about I was like is Dallas if they tie this up at 30 or they get to 38 37 would they go for two and say hey screw it let's just try to win the game because our division's so bad it's just something I thought
Starting point is 00:08:24 about but it never mattered because this is what happened. Dak on first and 10, Seattle 22, one timeout left. I'm thinking the only thing they can't do is throw it to the middle of the field and have somebody get tackled, and that's exactly what he did when he tried to hit Wilson again, and then even Aikman on the calls, like, that's actually better. That was incomplete, okay? And then the next thing you can't do is get sacked, and then he got sacked, and, you know, it was a three-man rush the right side of his line got blown up it was actually terrible blocking but still you can't take that sack so then they have to take the time out then third and 14 so now you have two plays
Starting point is 00:08:53 at it you're at the seattle 26 and then he throws a pick and it was amazing he was able to stay up and even get that throw off but it was even worse that in itself may be why dac you know the one possession game records can be misleading. His one possession record is really, really bad. But it's just something I was looking at. All right. So now back to Russ and back to branding, because as it stands, like I said right now, he is your MVP.
Starting point is 00:09:15 But let's just see what this Mahomes guy is all about for a full season. I wouldn't exactly write off Lamar anytime soon. Aaron Rodgers is absolutely on fire. We'll get to him a little bit later. And believe it or not, and this sounds insane to say it out loud, and it wouldn't be my pick to be MVP, but Josh Allen is doing some things up in Buffalo. So remember branding, because branding is a big reason why the Russell Wilson campaign has taken off. Part of it is him. Part of it is this year, but it's also the awareness of the brand. Just like LeBron earlier on in his career
Starting point is 00:09:43 when it was like, wait, is he any good at defense? And then he would come back one summer, tell a bunch of reporters, all I've been doing is working on my defense, which no one works on, by the way, in the offseason. And he's like, I'm so much better defensively. Now, LeBron did get better defensively, but our awareness, the fact that he was pushing the branding of his defense was the reason people started paying a little bit more attention. It's the reason why we don't make any more Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 jokes anymore. I don't know why we make any Pac-12 ones other than it was just the playoff in general.
Starting point is 00:10:09 But we don't make those jokes because at first it was funny and then it's like, yeah, we've just accepted the brand. And the all-time branding of me just holding off was Eminem. Early on, I don't know what to do with him because I'd look around and be like, do I have to buy a Prius and put some sort of exhaust sound diffuser on here?
Starting point is 00:10:24 Do I have to start trying to get in fights during the day with parking attendants? Do I have to smart start smoking cigarettes nonstop if I want to be an Eminem fan? So the brand part of that, I was like, look, I'm out.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Next award. It's not you. It's me award. You're giving me the, it's not you. It's me routine. I invented. It's not you.
Starting point is 00:10:45 It's me. Nobody tells me it's them. Not me. If it's anybody, it's me routine? I invented it's not you, it's me. Nobody tells me it's them, not me. If it's anybody, it's me. All right. George, it's you. You're damn right it's me. This week, that award's going to go to Kyle Shanahan. Just real quick,
Starting point is 00:11:00 San Francisco going into their game against the Giants this week. Did you guys see the injury report? Okay, this is from one of the reporters. So there could have been something that was a little off, but out for the day, D Ford Garoppolo, Drake Greenlaw, George Kittle, Raheem Mostert, the short-term IR, Tevin Coleman, Richie James, Debo Samuel, Richard Sherman, uh, long-term IR, Nick Bosa, Jalen Hurts, Solomon Thomas. They also lost read the tight end who Washington fans were going, hey, that guy, he's awesome. We thought he was awesome,
Starting point is 00:11:27 and he can never stay healthy. Yes, there you go. But let's examine the it's not you, it's me, and what that actually means. Because Kyle Shanahan, I don't think, really thinks it's ever anyone else other than him. And Nick Mullen steps in, 25 of 36, 343 yards and a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:11:44 And you're saying, okay, great. 36, nine over the giants. They're terrible. But this was basically the Santa Cruz warriors playing out there for San Francisco. I'm not trying to do the Jimmy thing where all of a sudden I'm telling you he's gone. Cause I probably, he probably isn't gone, but the contract lines up that they could move on from him very easily financially. It even lined up there that this way, but if guys like Nick Mullins keep putting up big numbers, especially considering this roster that I love was this hurt. I don't know, man. I, and I'd only heard from people that would know that like Shanahan just kind of looks at the quarterback position is yeah, there's a few guys that are special, but I can probably find a way to get it done with a bunch of different names out there.
Starting point is 00:12:25 And as of right now, Garoppolo still feels like just one of those names. And by the way, New York City, this is going to be a rough football year for you because you have to understand no one really cares. Or let me say it differently. No one's ever going to root for New York City that's not somehow affiliated with New York City. OK, you've done a really good run here for like 300 years. So no one is ever going to go, hey, people are being unfair to New York City. Okay. You've done a, you've had a really good run here for like 300 years. So no one is ever going to go, Hey, people are being unfair to New York City. The giants part
Starting point is 00:12:50 of this Gettleman, no one's ever going to stick up for him because nobody likes the attitude and the roster doesn't seem very good. But Daniel Jones is still a little too early for everybody to just start writing them off the other side of the street though, with gaze, this is a disaster. I mean, Adam gaze, let's look at some of these offensive ranks last in yards per game this year, last, last year, 31st with the dolphins, 25th, and then 28th. Those are five seasons. Adam Gase in his Peyton Manning year is like giving Gilbert Godfrey an Oscar because he roomed with Robert De Niro. This doesn't make any sense. And on top of the face confirmation that we get with Gase, who looks like a guy who went to a fish show saying, I just thought it was a normal balloon. I don't know. He's awful. Okay. But it isn't on Joe Douglas. So whenever you're taking down the entire Giants or Jets organization,
Starting point is 00:13:34 the Jets part that is a little unfair is to say that Joe Douglas, like not enough of this stuff has worked out. Can we give a guy a couple years as the man that's in charge of putting together an entire roster? I'd like to do that. I'd like to give Joe Douglas a little bit more time, but we also understand when it's Gase out there who's gotten all this credit, has done nothing to back it up. Their average drive since, all right, listen to this stat I found. Since Gase took over as the Jets head coach, their average offensive drive is 23 yards. Every time the Jets have the football for all these years, their drive averages are 23 yards.
Starting point is 00:14:12 That, of course, is the worst in football. And they also blame Tannehill when he was down in Miami. And Tannehill at least looks more than serviceable. Hut, hut. The M. Night Shyamalan Award. I want to tell you my secret now. The M. Night Shyamalan Award. I want to tell you my secret now.
Starting point is 00:14:31 I see dead people. That goes to Carson Wentz. Because there's part of me that just goes, wait, are any of these movies, are any of the other ones any good? Carson Wentz is 2017. He's probably going to win MVP. That was also a very strong Russell Wilson year, but then I believe Brady ended up getting it that year. Okay. In
Starting point is 00:14:50 last year's injuries, as Chris Long and I spent, it felt like every single episode, starting with the Eagles and starting with Wentz and what the deal was. And Chris was very pro Carson Wentz. And I really think to try to beat up on Wentz when nobody was there in the skill position stuff by the end of the season, like it was just a disaster. So it didn't feel like a very fair critique. However, he is awful right now. If Wentz were Mitch, he'd already be benched like Mitch was for Nick Foles. If Wentz didn't have 2017, then he wouldn't have a job. I don't believe right now. And I'm not usually that guy. And I don't think it's the carryover necessarily from last year, but I watched it and I watched a good chunk of that Cincinnati game. We're talking about somebody
Starting point is 00:15:32 who is now last in QB rating. His QBR is behind or ahead of only two guys. And that's Sam Darnold, who no one likes anymore. And Dwayne Haskins of Washington still too early. The Jalen Hurts part where it's like, oh, he's in. And that blew up on Twitter. He ran it to the left for one snap. And then Wentz was back in there. I'm not sure that that's necessarily something Eagles fans actually want. I think Hurts is going to take a little bit more time to develop in reading the entire field.
Starting point is 00:15:59 That's why I think not only the spectacular talent of Tua, but I also think it was part of the limitations of Hurts why Alabama said, okay, we actually may need to make some kind of change here. And the second half stuff for Wentz is just bad. I mean, it's bad across the board. Now, Doug Peterson, I think people are getting frustrated with him because he's not giving into the mob, which I'm fine with. You can't bench everyone. You can't fire every single coach every single week but this went stuff is getting to the point where thank god for 2017 thank god for his sixth cent season because if it weren't that i don't even know what the debate would be anymore it's been that bad especially in some of the second halves
Starting point is 00:16:39 and just a side note i get why they punted i know seems lame. You could just sit there and be football guy and open beer bottles with your teeth and say, you can't punt for a tie. You can't punt for a tie. If you go for it from 64 yards out and it's blocked, forget it. If you go for it and you just miss it, which you're likely to miss it at 64 yards, there's so many other bad things that could happen
Starting point is 00:16:59 where, let's face it, you guys would be crushing them if it didn't work out. All right. And finally, the Matty D Award. It's not your fault. Don't fuck with me. It's not your fault. Don't fuck with me, all right?
Starting point is 00:17:14 Don't fuck with me, Sean, not you. It's not your fault. The Matty D Award goes to Drew Brees. Wait, Ryan, you're pro Drew Brees? Here's what I'm not. I'm not as anti Drew Brees as everybody else is. And I understand that the throws that aren't going down the field are alarming. Okay. All right. You've got me there. The next gen stats from the game last night against the Packers. I think there's only one throw that's air yards down the field at 20 yards.
Starting point is 00:17:40 There's a couple other that, I mean, there's only three, I think that travel in the air over 15 yards. And this has been a trend that's been going on for a while. But the one thing that I didn't understand was the first two weeks in people were knocking breeze for his completion percentage because he just completes every single pass. And yes, because some of those passes a little bit shorter. Well, he went 29 to 36 last night, 288 yards, three touchdowns, no picks, six touchdowns, only one pick on the season. Aaron Rogers on the other hand is at another level. I'm going to give you one Packers stat here you probably didn't know about. Teams that have now started the season with 35 points or more and zero turnovers in each of
Starting point is 00:18:13 their first three games this season, it's only the Packers. And without Devontae Adams, still these weapons. So Breeze doesn't have Thomas. But ultimately, the Saints defense that I thought was going to be pretty good, that we felt really good about the personnel. They've allowed 24, 34, and 37 points. And maybe, just maybe, playing Tampa, who's going to be good, is a good win. Maybe Las Vegas is good. People were kind of going with that, at least in the first half against New England, to get blown out in the second half against New England, not the end of the world. And they played Green Bay. There's a chance we'd look back in two months and go, what a tough start to the entire season that was, all depending on those teams' health. So yes, Brees doesn't throw it down the field
Starting point is 00:18:51 enough. Yes, I know he's getting older. Yes, the completion percentage was off the last, or excuse me, the first two weeks, but it certainly wasn't a week three. But the Saints aren't losing because of Drew Brees right now. And that's why he gets the Matty D award. Okay, before we get to Booger McFarlane, guys, I want to remind you that footlong season is at Subway. They make it easy to make a good call on food. So there's a little segment called Bad Call, Good Call, where we'll look at some of the good and bad plays from the last week.
Starting point is 00:19:18 Here it is. First example of a bad call, the P.I. on the Rams. I just don't think that's pass interference, but it led to the Bills holding off a legendary comeback on the Rams. I just don't think that's pass interference, but it led to the bills holding off a legendary comeback from the Rams. Good call would be, I think it was good of Peterson to punt. I don't think going for 64 yard field goals, just because you can sit there and say,
Starting point is 00:19:35 who wants to play for a tie? Well, you know what you don't want to do is miss a 64 yard field goal and then let them have one play where they're now in field goal range. So you also don't want to lose, which I think is part of it. And then I'll make a call on my own. Another bad call is I ordered some takeout and it was,
Starting point is 00:19:53 it was just too early. And then by the time I got there, I ate early, whole meals were off and then it was late. And then I had, I was just scrambling, trying to figure it out. So not exactly my greatest decision to wait that long to try to figure out what I could make for dinner at home. Should have just gone to Subway. So this week, why not make a good call instead?
Starting point is 00:20:09 Like a Black Forest ham sandwich from Subway. Another good call. Getting a free footlong when you buy two at participating Subway restaurants. All right, guys, let's make some good calls this week. Order contact-free in the app for quick and easy pickup on game day or any day or get contact-free delivery. It's footlong season at Subway. Eat fresh, freshly prepared in front of you.
Starting point is 00:20:30 He is my friend. He's a guy I've known at ESPN for a long time and now co-host of NFL Primetime with Chris Berman. It is Booker McFarlane. What's up, man? What's going on, Russelo? How you doing, buddy? I'm good. I'm good.
Starting point is 00:20:43 All right. So let's just get to it. Early on, the Russell Wilson story has been the story. There's a few different things. We know that the defense. But what have you seen from his play? Is it really that different, or are they just that much more desperate now because the defense is even worse than it was last year? Well, typically, back in the day, it would be,
Starting point is 00:21:01 let's run Chris Carson, let's run Penny up the middle, let's play it close to the vest, let's play to our defense, and then at the very end of the game, when Russell has to, Russell can do what Russell does, which is the hashtag LetRussCook. Well, you know, Russ kind of publicly
Starting point is 00:21:17 lauded, hey, why don't we do some of that stuff we do at the end of the game early in the game? And I think when you couple that with the fact that their defense is not as strong, they lost Clowney, the pass rush isn't there. Overall, the defense is not as good as when they had Sherman and Thomas and all those guys. And so I think out of necessity, they've had to let Russ cook early,
Starting point is 00:21:38 meaning we got to get the ball to Lockett and Metcalf. We got Greg Olson. So let's open the offense up. We don't have to be Kansas City. We don't have to be kansas city we don't have to be the rams but guess what we also don't have to run the football you know 45 times a game either and i said i think it's just a it's a combination of all those things for solo and and russ to his credit he asked for it and he's he's playing really really well yeah what is going on with that defense though because this is surprising that it's this bad and it's something i've been kind of looking at here a little bit but they're
Starting point is 00:22:10 passing defense overall i mean is it just the opponent i mean that that's something that can happen the first month or so that can be very misleading but they're getting absolutely worked back there so here's what i look at when I look at defense. Defense is about dudes, okay? Scheme, don't talk to me about scheme. Bill Belichick has played 4-3, 3-4, higher, but it doesn't matter. Defense is about dudes. Do you have the dudes that can make impact plays that can beat one-on-one blocking? And when you look at the Seahawks, who are the dudes they got? I mean, you know, Clowney's gone. I hear Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, still very good linebackers. Wagner is borderline Hall of Fame worthy. Great. In the secondary, who are the impact guys, though? Yes, Adams is a true impact player and he's made an impact at safety.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Cornerback Griffin is OK. So you're really not talking about the impact people you need in that front seven, especially on the defensive line. If you don't have guys that can impact the game and win one on one blocks on your defensive line. Now you're asking the impact to come from safeties, blitzing linebackers, blitzing and KJ Wright and Wagner for as good as they are. They're tackling machines. They're not going to make the tackles for losses, the sacks, the forced fumbles. And so I think the defense is really missing some dudes up front. Aaron Rodgers, Ben Otero,
Starting point is 00:23:31 we know the talk has been about some declining numbers, which are real. I mean, there were some real declining numbers. Have you seen anything different from him? Or is it just as my, you know, a guy we both know in Dilfer, who at the beginning of the year was like, now he's just more pissed off than he's ever been.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Well, I'm really not a numbers guy. Like, to me, stats are like bikinis. They show some things, but not all things. So you can be a numbers guy and you can fall victim to the numbers. And you're like, oh, those numbers are down. He must be going down. Well, in actuality, if you look at what Aaron Rodgers did last year, his quote unquote numbers were really good. He just didn't have enough weapons, which is why the big cry in the offseason was,
Starting point is 00:24:08 okay, can we get the guy some weapons while he's trying to break in Marcus Valdez-Scantling and Lazard? Like, he needs other people, and they were just coming up to speed. As you can see this year, another year in the system, another year for Aaron Rodgers to be under Matt LaFleur, and it's amazing how those guys are starting to play better. Aaron Rodgers has never been in decline. He's been a top five quarterback.
Starting point is 00:24:32 I don't care what the statistics say. He's been a top five quarterback for the last decade. And anybody who tells you different really just hadn't watched the game and hadn't paid attention to what they see. Wow. All right. So you didn't think there was any drop off the last couple of years that some of the throws outside of the numbers, any of that stuff, you just,
Starting point is 00:24:49 you think it was just personnel. When you look at the personnel that he was playing with a quarterback, and I don't mean to bring this up. Giselle said it a long time ago. Hey, Tommy can't throw it and catch it. You know what I'm saying? Like Tommy can only throw it. He can't go catch it. And so I think you have to apply that to a lot of the quarterbacks around the league. And I think when you look at A-Rod, first year under Matt LaFleur. Well, Matt LaFleur came from the Sean McVay School of Coaching, which is, it's about that outside zone stretch play. It's about play action. It's about the quarterback cutting the field in half.
Starting point is 00:25:26 That system was designed to help quarterbacks that were not as talented as Aaron Rodgers, i.e. Kirk Cousins in Washington, i.e. Jared Goff. I'm going to take a system, I'm going to cut the field in half, and I'm going to help you by limiting your reads. Aaron Rodgers can make full field reads. So now now you got to blend what Matt LaFleur likes to do with what Aaron Rodgers wants to do and I think just you know that couple with um new receivers Devontae Adams was hurt a little bit with the groin so you put all that together sure the numbers were down but did anybody honestly think that okay I'll give you Aaron Rodgers for the next five years or you can have jamis winston for the next 10 like who's taking jamis like nobody like i don't care how young
Starting point is 00:26:11 uh jamis is you're still taking aaron rogers because you know the talent is still there okay so the numbers tell us wentz is a mess uh do you believe in the numbers? I believe in my eye. Like, as you watch the tape, Carson Wentz is trying to prove that he is something that maybe what he was before he tore his ACL. Like, before he tore his ACL, man, he was a risk taker. He was daring.
Starting point is 00:26:40 He was making throws. Like, he was just playing football. It's like he's thinking now. And as he's thinking, he's trying to be perfect. And football is an imperfect sport. Quarterback is a position where you have to react once the ball is snapped. You got to do all your thinking pre-snap. But once the ball is snapped, you just react to what you see.
Starting point is 00:27:01 And it's like he's thinking pre-snap and then he's thinking more post-snap. He's just playing really, really bad right now. And if Nick Foles were still in Philadelphia, there would be cries to put Nick Foles in. Now, you're not going to get those cries for Jalen Hurts because I don't think Hurts is ready to be a starting quarterback. And so therefore, Doug has just got to sit there and say okay yeah just kind of kind of got to go through it plus when you when you're when you're paying a guy 33 million dollars a year you kind of got to live with it but he's playing bad football no doubt what's the worst quarterback situation that you were a part of as far as like i'm not telling you to call out a teammate
Starting point is 00:27:39 necessarily but something we're weak to we don't have to tell me that i'm i'm gonna tell you that my rookie year my rookie year the very first game that I played, and you've already mentioned, the aforementioned Trent Dilfer. Trent Dilfer in Tampa was a ticking time bomb because he was a high pick. He turned the football over a lot, and people just wanted to see anyone else because our defense was so good. Everybody felt if Trent would just not turn it over and just not lose the game,
Starting point is 00:28:05 we could have won another Super Bowl or two. My very first game in Tampa, dude, we're playing the Giants. My defense held the Giants to four first downs, 108 total yards of offense, and we lost. We lost because Dilford threw a pick six, Dilfer fumbled for another scoop and score. He threw an interception that led to a field goal. Henceforth, we lost 17 to 13, I think, 17-14. That was my indoctrination into the NFL. And I think that situation was so toxic. Finally, Trent just got tired of dealing with everything that came with it. And it was best that both parties kind of went their separate ways. And Tampa found out that it wasn't easy because then now you get Eric Zier,
Starting point is 00:28:51 Sean King, Brad Johnson, Rob Johnson, Brad Kowski, Garth. Like I can go on and on. I can't remember who all played quarterback in Tampa, but none of them were, I don't think they were more talented than Dilfer, but they just weren't Trent Dilfer. So I think they were accepted a little bit more. I want more on this, but just as an aside, what happened to Eric Zaire?
Starting point is 00:29:12 I always kind of liked him. Yeah, Sean King. Zaire was, Zaire would have been the quarterback, but Sean King was the guy that got drafted in the, I think, second round. And so it was like, why are we playing Zyre? He's kind of, you know, the middle-aged dad guy. He's going ball.
Starting point is 00:29:28 Let's put the young guy in there. All right. Some hair shaming in that one. But the Sean thing, though, is a really interesting way to look at it. Because back then, 20 years ago, it's like, hey, let's put in this. You know, people were just not ready to sign off on the Michael Bishop types. You know, it was the hybrid quarterback. Yes, generally black quarterback.
Starting point is 00:29:48 And with Sean, it was, can this guy bring a dimension that Trent isn't bringing? And then, I mean, the oddity is that it ends up, I don't know, like Trent, it was over for Trent. Trent kind of had to get out of there, I think, because of years, the stuff that was going on before you were even there. Your first year was 99, right? Correct. Okay, but it's just, it's got to be so taxing. Because like my whole thing is,
Starting point is 00:30:13 you can't just bench everybody all the time, okay? Like it's week three, Philly has money invested in this guy. Wentz looks terrible. But yeah, if it were Foles, that's different. But you can't just bench everybody because then if you bench everybody and then two weeks later, then what? You know what I mean? You could be writing off a season. And especially in that division, I don't think you wantoles, that's different. But you can't just bench everybody because then if you bench everybody and then two weeks later, then what? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:30:25 You could be writing off the season. And especially in that division, I don't think you want to do that right now. But what is it like to be in the locker room, especially when your side of the ball, the defense, is so good where every week it's kind of a debate? I'm just going to imagine that certain chances it can be draining and then maybe other teams are just built different and where they don't have to worry about it all the time.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Well, it can be draining and it can create a lot of animosity. We played for a defensive coach too in Tony Dungy. So our defense was held to a high standard. After that game, we lost 17-14 to the Giants where Trent basically accounted for all the points for the Giants. Tony came in the locker room or he came in the team meeting room on Monday and he said hey defense not good enough and it was the only time i saw derrick brooks look at coach like he wanted to
Starting point is 00:31:09 cuss because he was like it's not good enough like and dude we were like are you kidding us and like like we couldn't understand that but us playing for a defensive coach allowed us to always be pushed more and more. And so we were so focused on ourselves, we never really had an opportunity to focus on our offense or lack thereof. So I think that helped us. Now, when Gruden came and now we're playing for this offensive genius, you damn right. Hey, we need some points. And Gruden held the offense the same way Dungy held the defense which is the one thing
Starting point is 00:31:47 I think kept the animosity out and when Gruden came over it kind of put the spotlight on the offense so all the pressure we felt for all those years now they felt it and for us it was kind of like a breath of fresh air because it's like hey you like I'm an offensive guy this is what I do but then Gruden kind of flipped the script back on us. He said, hey, you guys are so good. Why don't you score? You always complain about the offense scoring. How come you can't score on defense?
Starting point is 00:32:12 And that year, we scored nine touchdowns on defense. And we won the Super Bowl. And so it was amazing how he kind of played those mental gymnastics with us while at the same time holding the offense's foot to the fire. So Dungy and Gruden appears very different than right not appear they are very different right who does it did you i mean did you like gruden more or i mean imagine you're more aligned with dungy considering his background more aligned with dungy um i don't mind a coach that that's fiery that cusses that screams that yells that's fiery, that cusses, that screams, that yells, that's emotional. That doesn't bother me.
Starting point is 00:32:49 And in actuality, I think there's a place for that. So there were times where I enjoyed the differentness, for lack of a better word, of Gruden. But I'm more aligned with Dungy because, hey, tell me what my job is. Give me the tools to do the job and allow me to do my job. I don't need anybody screaming and yelling and, you know, doing all the things that most coaches do. Gruden was a fiery guy. Gruden was a personality.
Starting point is 00:33:16 I just want my coach to coach me and teach me how to play football. So overall, I'm more aligned with Dungy. But there were times where John gruden uh was the right guy for the job okay all right that was good all right josh allen i didn't think it was gonna happen i thought he had that thanksgiving game against the cowboys where he was really good and then everybody started talking him up and then probably didn't watch him the rest of the season and to see him doing this and yeah i know they almost blew the lead and everything. And I don't love that PI call there at the end, which would have led to a great Rams comeback,
Starting point is 00:33:48 but whatever it is three weeks in it's far beyond what my expectations for Allen were. So how real do you think this first, uh, this first three weeks of the season is for him? I think it's very real. I think you look at a couple of things is that the game is slowing down. Josh Allen is always going to be a gunslinger. You know, people are going to compare him to Brett Favre and say he's got that that mentality. And so you never want to take that out of him. But what you want to try to do is harness it a little bit. Like, hey, guys, this is not this is not the, you know, green white checker in the first quarter for a NASCAR term.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Like, like, like, let's idle this thing around coming out of turn four sometime. We don't have to kind of take the lead every time. Their defense is the biggest difference in their team, though. Like, make no mistake about it. Josh Allen is playing well. Josh Allen has gotten better. He's finally got a number one receiver in Stephon Diggs. It's amazing what a quarterback can do when you have a guy you can trust
Starting point is 00:34:42 to just throw it anywhere near him he'll go get it but buffalo will go as far as buffalo's defense can take them because in the afc eventually if you're buffalo you get you gotta you gotta stop some combination of ravens chiefs patriots with cam the way he's playing at some point you got to stop some combination of those three. Okay, some combination, which means their defense is going to have to carry a lot, a lot of water. And so I trust their defense. Sean McDermott, Leslie Frazier are really, really good. Edmonds, the linebacker, has got to continue to take the next step.
Starting point is 00:35:21 But I do like where Buffalo is right now. And Allen is playing a big part, mainly because he's learning while winning like he had every right to lose that game against the rams based on some of the like he it was like yolo josh allen from the playoff game like he's just throwing it you know and i'm like come on dude like you got a 20 point lead like like relax okay like take a knee slide you know throw in, throw in the stands, punt the football. But he hadn't learned that yet, but he was able to make those mistakes while still winning, which is the best kind of learning. I started talking about the Saints a little bit earlier today. I had them go to the Super Bowl. I liked their defense. I have not liked it after the first three weeks. I know
Starting point is 00:35:57 a lot of the conversation down in New Orleans is around Breeze, and it is nationally. And yeah, look, they lose a game that could have probably gone either way to this Packers team that's on fire. But have you had to change your thoughts on who the Saints can be at all this year? No, not at all. Because I do think that offensively, the Saints, when they get Michael Thomas back, will be what we've always known the Saints to be, which is a short-to-intermediate passing team,
Starting point is 00:36:25 a team that relies on very, very creative play calling, very timely play calling by Sean Payton, an offense that uses the most accurate quarterback we've ever seen to run it, and Drew Brees. Drew Brees is completing 70% of his passes this year. They went, what, 13-3. Guess what his number was last year. I know I don't like numbers, but just to make the point. 74. passes this year they went what 13 and 3 guess guess what his number was last year i know you
Starting point is 00:36:45 don't i don't like numbers but just to make 74 74 guess what it was a year before 73 so he's not that far off from what he's always been okay it's amazing how a national televised monday night game and everybody's like oh look at drew he's done look at the air yards like okay give me a break all right no michael thomas Who do you want to throw to? Emmanuel Sanders, who's coming off from an Achilles a couple years ago, who's not the same. Okay. It's Alvin Kamara and the gang. And the gang really didn't do much on Monday night. The gang did a little bit more yesterday and they still lost.
Starting point is 00:37:19 The Saints' biggest issue with Sillow is defensively. They can't stop a nosebleed. All right. I'm going to use this stat tonight on Monday Night Countdown. In the last 17 drives that the New Orleans Saints defense has faced,
Starting point is 00:37:33 just take a guess how many punts they forced. How many? Oh, I'm going to guess it's like five. One. What? In the last 17 drives that the saints defense have faced it's one eight touchdowns five field goals one ended by half one was a turnover on downs
Starting point is 00:37:58 and one punt i think that that's 17 i may be missing one but but there's only been one punt. I think that's 17. I may be missing one. But there's only been one punt. Right. And the last 17. Yeah, look, I brought up their defensive run here. And I like their personnel. I liked who I thought they would be at the start of the year. So I'm with you. I've already explained it to the audience listening here.
Starting point is 00:38:19 I think the schedule will look back and say that was a pretty tough schedule. But for the concerns about Breeze, which I can understand. I don't think anybody says I prefer a guy that can't push the ball down the field. But without Thomas for two weeks and against the schedule, we may look back on it and say, you know what? That was a really, really tough start of the season. So, yeah, I don't know. The Adam Gase thing is something else I touched on because how bad it's been. Before we get to your thoughts on gaze. Cause I can't imagine they're too hard to predict here. Um, what's the worst situation you've had where,
Starting point is 00:38:51 you know, that felt like the coach was just dead man walking every single week. Oh, I don't think you'd ever had it like with gaze. I don't think you could ever have anything. No, I've never had it with gaze, but, uh uh tony's last year i think we were nine and seven and our defense was good but you kind of felt it coming not as bad with gaze because we were still winning but it was just ugly the all you know offense was averaging 12 points a game so you kind of knew and and tony was very loyal he wouldn't fire you know Mike Shula early on. And then we went from Mike Shula to Les Steckle to Clyde Christensen. Like you talk about offensive innovation. We didn't have any. And you kind of felt it coming.
Starting point is 00:39:35 My last year at LSU with Jerry DiNardo, like you could see the writing on the wall. Northern Italian guy in South Louisiana just didn't fit. So those are the two instances where even the players on the team kind of sat around and waited. And we didn't watch Twitter back then. We just kind of waited on the phone call, you know, to see what was going to happen. Had the coach gotten fired, et cetera, et cetera. So it's not a good feeling. I can only imagine.
Starting point is 00:40:01 But if you look at the New York Jets and look at the Atlanta Falcons, and if you're a player on that team, every time somebody texts your phone or call you, you got to kind of wonder, man, did something just happen? Or if there's a call from the facility, you're wondering, oh, did it just happen? Because those are two situations where even I myself as an analyst who was watching the game, wonder how adam gase and dan quinn still have the job right now as we're recording this at one o'clock i i honestly want the only thing i can think of is that i i think everyone likes quinn i don't know that i hear the same things about gase you know where what does liking quinn have to do with it though
Starting point is 00:40:44 i mean oh i think it makes it tougher on the owner that's all that's all i'm saying this just makes about Gase, you know, where... What does liking Quinn have to do with it, though? I mean, 23... Oh, I think it makes it tougher on the owner. That's all. That's all I'm saying. It just makes it tougher in the room where Gase, I think, is easier to just say, all right, later, man. Well, I think you make a good point.
Starting point is 00:40:54 When you look at Dan Quinn, 28-3, 20 to nothing against the Cowboys yesterday, you're up, and you look like, to me, he's the common denominator based on what's happened. And then on top of that, here's the thing I think a lot of people are missing. When you have a coach that's making the decisions and we're losing, we're blowing leads. Now, as a player, I'm second guessing every decision he makes.
Starting point is 00:41:18 And that's not good when you're trying to get everybody on the same page. So I think if you're Arthur Blank, you couple that with the fact that Arthur Blank had to come out and make a statement at the end of 2019 that we're keeping Dan Quinn. Now there are more questions. It almost reminds me of the whole Les Miles thing.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Remember? They were going to fire Les, going to fire Les, we're going to keep Les, then you fire Les after three games or four games, whatever it was.
Starting point is 00:41:40 No, no, it's a very good comp. Yeah. Right, right. It's like, okay, we should have fired him last year and now we're just going to do it at the first chance we get now. Yeah. No, that's good. Yeah, no, it's a very good comp, yeah. Right, right. It's like, okay, we should have fired him last year, and now we're just going to do it at the first chance we get now. Yeah. No, that's good.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Yeah, look, I'm with you. Liking someone doesn't have anything to do with the evaluation, but it has a lot to do with the decision. I mean, that's life. More with Booger McFarlane, including LSU's bad day. But first, this season is going to look a little different, as we already know. Many fans won't be watching in the stadium or bars, but from home. And if you're a cord cutter or you don't have some special sports package,
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Starting point is 00:43:49 See official rules at MillerLightCantena.com for entry instructions, prizes, restrictions, et cetera. Okay, the Steelers are 3-0. Giants, Broncos, Texans. Who are the Steelers? Steelers are another team that I should have mentioned when I talked about Buffalo because if Ben Roethlisberger stays healthy, Chase Claypool,
Starting point is 00:44:11 who's a freak, he's a rookie, he has no idea what he's doing. He's their receiver number 11, 6'4", 230. I hear you. Yeah, exactly. I hear you. Whose receivers coach there says that he can be as good as anybody. And he's just a baby.
Starting point is 00:44:26 And if he eventually develops into the number one, which I think is going to happen, now Juju is the 1B, maybe 2, because I don't think Juju's a 1. I don't think Juju's a guy that you can put out there and say, okay, there's Patrick Peterson, go beat him. There's Jalen Ramsey, go beat him. I don't think Juju's that guy. I think Juju did a great job of living underneath the Antonio Brown umbrella.
Starting point is 00:44:52 And we're going to find out this year that he has big men back because last year, I can't really judge him with Duck Hodges. No disrespect to Duck Hodges, but hey, just not the guy. It didn't feel respectful, but I get you. I mean, that's just – I, just not the guys. It didn't feel respectful, but I get you. I mean, that's just – I'm just not, you know. But the Rassilos are good. Rassilo, their defense may be the best defense in football.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Watt, Dupree, Bush, is there a better trio of inside, outside linebackers in football than Watt, Dupree, Bush? I can't think of one. Okay. Tewitt Hayward up front, pretty good. They got the same five top defensive backs they had last year, back this year. It's the first time that's happened in, I think, four or five years.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Their defense is legit. You know, Micah Fitzpatrick, everybody criticized the trade. You know, you lose the quarterback, you go trade for a safety. Hmm, what is Kevin Colbert doing? Kevin Colbert, who is a GM there, is as good as there is. So long-winded answer, man. It wouldn't surprise me if you close my eyes right now and woke me up mid-January
Starting point is 00:45:57 and say, who's in the AFC championship game? And it's Pittsburgh, Buffalo. It's Pittsburgh, Kansas City. It's Pittsburgh, Buffalo. It's Pittsburgh, Kansas City. It's Pittsburgh, Baltimore. It wouldn't shock me because they're in the conversation, depending upon health and what happens. They're going to be right there when it's all said and done. Can I back up a little bit?
Starting point is 00:46:16 Are you saying that Claypool, you see him projecting as the one and Juju is not a two, but you think Claypool has a chance to give you more than Juju is basically what I just heard there. Yes. I think eventually Claypool has the skills to give you more because he's got what Juju doesn't have, which is four, four speed. And so he's always going to have the ability to be a big play. Juju doesn't threaten me to run by me. Okay. Like if I'm Patrick Peterson, I'm sitting on everything Juju does. If I'm Ramsey, I'm sitting because I'm not afraid of him running by me.
Starting point is 00:46:51 You are afraid of 6'4", 230 running by you. So, therefore, I think that the ceiling is a lot higher. Now, he has a long way to go. As the receiver coach, Ike told me, he's got a long way to go. But the ceiling for claypool i think is higher than what juju has shown us so far so i love claypool all year and every time i felt like i looked at and there was a crazy deep wide receiver draft where eventually a lot of those guys end up feeling like they went later than we thought they were going to go with all the
Starting point is 00:47:18 projections leading up to it and i don't know i seeing him be good and seeing him go in the second round. And it's just one of those moments where you go, how is how is it that you feel like you're the only person watching? There's a couple other guys that would text me that would listen to the podcast and be like, I love him, too. I love him, too. I don't really get it. And yet, you know, maybe it's just because this guy like Judy and CD and all these other dudes where if it were a weaker class, Claypool probably goes in the first round, but these first three weeks, they don't seem like a surprise. Like this isn't a mistake at all. At least for those that watch them at Notre Dame. If I gave you a chance right now, and I know we're three weeks in to redraft the wide receivers from the last year's draft. So you got Judy rugs, Rager, Jefferson, Claypool. Who would you take first? Judy, Ruggs, Rager, Jefferson, Claypool, who would you take first?
Starting point is 00:48:08 Well, I'm not going to give up on CeeDee Lamb after three weeks. I can't. I can't. He's still my favorite from the class because I think there was some stuff in him that was a little different from other guys I saw. So I'd still take CeeDee. But, you know, look, I didn't even think. Like, I always liked Chase more than Jefferson at LSU. And granted, Chase is a year behind. So the Jefferson love and we just saw his big play and he's put up huge numbers.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I mean, I imagine you're probably saying what Jefferson second. I don't even know if I want to go because I feel like it's too early. But you seem like you want to turn the whole thing upside down. No, I don't think I would take rugs where like rugs to me, although I think he has big play potential and he's shown that. I think CeeDee Lamb would probably be one. I'd probably go Jefferson too. Rager would probably fall behind Claypool. I'd have Claypool higher. Like Rager, and I get he's been hurt or whatever, but it almost seemed like Philly was reaching just to get a fast guy. What about Judy?
Starting point is 00:49:09 You left Judy out. Yeah, like, Judy's going to be judged based on the guy throwing the football. Like, he can't throw it and catch it, you know? So he's got to – you know, Drew Locke's got to, you know, the shoulder, and now he's dealing with Driscoll and I can't – whoever the other guy they put in there yesterday, like he was not good. Yeah, him too, Rippon.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Is that, that's not Mark Rippon's. I think it's a nephew. Okay. All right. I'll get IT on that. I got you. I love it. What were you about to say?
Starting point is 00:49:41 No, I'll keep that. Like when you said, first of all, when you said IT of all when you said it i'm assuming you're talking about google yeah it's a joke it's actually it was a chris long and i joke so he deserves the credit for it so if you ever hear him saying it he deserves he deserves the credit we just used to always love whenever we were stuck on something would be like we get it on that yeah it's uh he brett rippin um wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute yeah he's he's mark rippin's nephew so yeah whatever i caught i caught a decent enough
Starting point is 00:50:11 chunk of that game i don't know why i guess i wanted to watch brady a little bit more that's your neck of the woods because i have a couple other questions not related to this give me your tampa and brady and holding by the way the the gronk stuff i watched him very closely yesterday i thought he looks thought he looks great. He's running around great. I'm not worried about that. When Arian said it's not like he's running past everybody, you're like, well, that's not what he necessarily
Starting point is 00:50:33 does. I thought he looked pretty crisp yesterday. I don't know. Give me your thoughts on Tampa. Tampa's defense is ahead of their offense, and their offense looked pretty good yesterday. Todd Bowles is underrated. He'll get head coach consideration after the season. Tom Brady, for as much disrespect as we give Drew Brees, I think we don't give enough respect to Brady and what he's done with his body
Starting point is 00:50:58 and how physically gifted he still looks at almost 45. Is Tom Brady older than you, by the way? No. I always know exactly how old he is because we're close to having the same birthday, so I got two years on him. So you're 45. He's 43. Yeah. Okay. He looks outstanding. He's not a big...
Starting point is 00:51:18 He's like a pliability guy, so I'm going to go too far. But yeah, he's kept himself in good shape. Well, I mean, first of all, pliability is one thing being able to succeed at it is another um i would just beat it punk if tom brady can stay healthy people laugh when i say this these are the best weapons he's ever had i don't care don't talk to me about west walker randy moss listen for as great as Randy Moss is... That 0-7 team, man, I don't know. Okay, listen.
Starting point is 00:51:47 For as great as Randy Moss is, the drop-off between Randy Moss and whoever the second-best weapon on the Patriots team is far greater than the drop-off from Mike Evans to Chris Godwin to O.J. Howard to Cameron Brake to Rob Gronkowski.
Starting point is 00:52:03 If you follow me there. Yeah, I don't know. It's Welker,owski. If you follow me there. Yeah. I don't know what it's Welker though. I mean, that's the, that's the problem. It's Welker. It's your man,
Starting point is 00:52:10 Kevin Falk. I can't believe you disrespect Chris Godwin, Chris Godwin. Like I realized he didn't have the stats that West Walker has, but like, if you put the, if you look at what they did, I mean,
Starting point is 00:52:23 Chris Godwin is basically Julian Edelman, who was basically Wes Welker. I mean, they're all doing the same thing. They're working underneath. They're being Tommy's security blanket. And that's what Godwin is going to start to develop into. But Godwin has another dimension that he can take it to the house, too. Yeah. No, I hear you you know what else i've i've loved is this this run of undersized
Starting point is 00:52:48 white receivers um scotty miller your boy yeah checking in at 5 11 i feel like every time i i'm just clicking around on sundays i'm like who's that guy like oh like he's 5 10 and you know he wasn't drafted he just he got there on on guile alone i don't know i'm just no one's ready to do it i'm not saying start prime time with is the nfl white wide receiver on the on the come up um but i'm just yeah hold off on that for right now but it's just something no you know what they're gonna have though is you know you know how in the off season everybody's doing like a past Russ Summit, an old lineman camp, like all the guys are getting together?
Starting point is 00:53:32 Scottie Miller, Cole Beasley, Julian Edelman, they're all going to get together and do like, hey, if you want to be irrelevant and rich, come work out with us in the offseason. Because these dudes, they may not get the household, like they may not be the household names or get all the accolades, but Scottie Miller. Is it Adam Humphreys, another guy that was in that category? Well, we got Andy Isabella. There you go.
Starting point is 00:53:55 UMass, baby. Yeah, because he's out there just trying to get it done. I got to check and see what the numbers are for him right now. All right, six catches. Six catches. A couple TDs, though. That's why. Andy Isabella. to get it done. I gotta, I gotta check and see what the numbers are for him right now. Um, all right. Six catches, six catches, couple of TDs though. That's why Andy Isabella,
Starting point is 00:54:09 five, nine, one 88. I don't know if he's actually is kind of yoked up a little bit. Um, Cooper cup. I mean, he doesn't take to me.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Cooper's like straight up a stud. Um, there's another dude that I'm forgetting. This is an unbelievable segment though. I'm, I'm glad we got to this. They can have a convention, and if you're between 5'9 and 5'11,
Starting point is 00:54:32 because if you get over six feet, then you're going to graduate into a different category. But 5'9 and 5'11, you have to be able to play the slot. The slot is a prerequisite. You cannot be an X. You have to be a slot guy, so you can work underneath, smart, heady. I can use all the adjectives that go with the white receiver.
Starting point is 00:54:51 I mean, it's a great idea. Yeah, I think you're on to something. Hoodies alone fits. Okay, what's this been like for you, man? Prime Time is a legendary show. You're sitting next to a legend in Chris Berman and just jumping in. Go wherever you want with this, but I want to know how it feels
Starting point is 00:55:08 and what it's been like for you. You know what, man? Boom has been really cool. Chris Berman, you know, this opportunity came about just really at the last moment. I think in this time where we are, you know, TJ has been
Starting point is 00:55:22 and sat in that seat for, what, 20 years. It's synonymous. It's an iconic show. And when I think, you know tj's has been and sat in that seat for what 20 years it's it's synonymous it's an iconic show and when i think you know when health concerns and covid and all that came up um i was very fortunate to get the opportunity you know i talked to him boom everybody calls like hey man we want you to do this um you know tj is like giving this blessing and do i don't usually get nervous when it comes to tv like tv TV radio is just like, okay, I'm just being myself because I'm at the point now where I'm comfortable doing that. Like I was literally nervous when the show started the very first one.
Starting point is 00:55:54 A, because I, like, I really had no idea how this whole digital streaming stuff works. Like I honestly thought, and I haven't told anybody this, I thought we were recording the show and was going to post it later. I didn't realize that we were streaming a show live. Honestly, I honestly had no idea until somebody was like somebody texted me like, hey, man, good show. I'm like, how the hell did you see that so fast? And then it kind of hit on me like, was this live? And I asked somebody like, yeah, dude, that's the whole deal about streaming. It just goes to show you I don't watch much on apps. I'm still a cable direct TV guy.
Starting point is 00:56:27 I don't stream much. Like I during this whole pandemic, Netflix changed my life. I finally watched Breaking Bad. First time I've ever seen it or whatever. And I thought it was the greatest show alive. Breaking Bad. I'd never seen it. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:41 And so Boomer really, really made me feel very comfortable. I was nervous the first segment. It's a great show. It's 48 to 50 minutes of continuous highlights. It's fun. And I enjoy working with people who enjoy doing what they do. And he really, really, after all these years, 40 years with the company, really enjoys doing the things that he does. And for me, it's another opportunity to be on another platform. You know, there's so many different things that are being cut back in America, TV rights, et cetera. The one thing that I think a lot of companies, including ours, are pouring funds into is digital and streaming rights. And that's been really, really cool for me to kind of get on
Starting point is 00:57:25 that platform. So I got a little, I'm doing a little college, a little pro, a little streaming, dude. It's, it's, it's fun. Um, the smile comes on my face every time I'm on TV and I'm really enjoying it. What's it been then like for you post Monday night football, because it got pretty rough there at the end. You what it it's been really really cool man because i always look at the criticism and how you get it which is mainly social media social media is a vocal minority and i've never really cared much about the vocal minority um i didn't get the job through the vocal minority i didn't lose it through the vocal minority. I didn't lose it through the vocal minority. I think that, you know, our company, based on where we are with NFL rights,
Starting point is 00:58:09 trying to get a Super Bowl, et cetera, et cetera, they are trying their best to continue to land what I call the white whale. You know, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo, like they are trying to do whatever, and that's their right, you know? They gave Tess and I a run. They didn't feel like it worked out, so we move on. So I don't really. That's kind of how I look at it.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Like I've been at the company long enough and I've held but one, two. I've had about five jobs at this company from SEC Network to ABC to now primetime to Monday Night Cam. I've been in enough forums on our platform to know that there's so many different things you can do, whether or not you are good or great at all of them, ultimately determines the opportunities that you get. And I must be doing some right, because I've been given a lot of opportunities, and most of them have been kind of handpicked. So I feel really good about that. You can check out Primetime on ESPN+. And before I let you go i gotta ask you about lsu it appears that having no players back from the title winning team is potentially challenging and yet when i watch that game
Starting point is 00:59:16 when they lose and maybe you set me straight but like ali gay off the end and then um damone clark 18 and then i i'm trying to like go through the 2d pier of all the guys i liked i mean obviously jacoby stevens is one and then um ricks the corner who's one of the top recruits makes that big pick and you're thinking okay well wait a minute there are still guys here it's still lsu and then costello puts up 600 passing yards on him so what did you see well I saw a bunch of young guys that in their first game experience um they didn't play well they momentum kind of got the best of them and I think that's to be expected normally that's against uh Northwestern State and you kind of get that out of the way. It just happened to be against Mississippi State. That's number one. Secondly, I think a bigger issue was Bo Pelini, the defensive coordinator. And I haven't talked to Bo, and so maybe this is wrong for me to do this,
Starting point is 01:00:16 but from a football standpoint, here's what I know. The definition of insanity, and not just in football and life, is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result, especially when it's not working. And if you look at Bo Pelini, man-to-man coverage was not working. All Mike Leach did was say, oh, you're going to play man, tight man? We're going to run cross and routes and fades. That's all they did. And LSU did not make an adjustment at all.
Starting point is 01:00:40 And I think that goes to coaching. The players do not call the plays. I expected both Pelini and coach to switch it up, play some zone. Like give these guys a break. This is their first game ever. And so I got to think there's some real heart-to-heart talks going on behind the scenes about how we bring these young guys along, what kind of defense are we going to play,
Starting point is 01:01:03 especially with no Stingley being there. He was out. I know he'll be back. So that was the biggest takeaway. Miles Brennan, he's not Joe Burrow. Joe Brady's not there. So maybe you lose a little bit of creativity. But guess what?
Starting point is 01:01:17 Steve Insming is there who called the plays. Scott Linehan is there who has a lot of pro experience. The coaching staff is still pretty much there. is there who has a lot of pro experience, like the coaching staff is still pretty much there. You've got to be able to use what you have to cook the meal. I think that's the sign of a great coach. We had a lot of success last year, maybe the greatest offense ever. Okay, turn the page. Now, how do we make this team competitive? How do we win with this team? And I think that's the challenge for the team and the challenge for Coach O'Duron, the challenge for Inzminger, more importantly, the challenge for Fellini,
Starting point is 01:01:49 because you don't have the first-round picks at corner just yet. Like, these kids are young. And I think Fellini's got to do a better job, and Coach O's got to supervise it, of how do we improve from game one to game two using what we have. And I can't wait to watch, because if it doesn't get any better, big guy, think about this. Ole Miss, Lane Train is throwing it around. Trask is a potential first or second round pick at quarterback.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Matt Jones looks the part. Jimbo is an offensive wizard. Like, it doesn't get any easier after you get past Vanderbilt, Missouri. And, hell, I'm not so sure Vanderbilt and Missouri are going to be pushovers the next two weeks. This 10-game SEC schedule is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing for
Starting point is 01:02:33 COVID and the ability to limit the virus. Man, it is a curse because you are about to get hit with good skill players every week. My man, it is a curse because you are about to get hit with good skill players every week. My man, that's Berger McFarlane. I'll still be making the Bama trip.
Starting point is 01:02:51 There was some question. They were like, are you going to cancel now after the Mississippi State game? And I was like, nope, but we'll see because it was definitely more like a spring game atmosphere there. But I don't really disagree with anything you said there. Hey, enjoy the season again. Prime time ESPN Plus, Berger McFarlane, Chris Berman. And it's been a lot of fun to watch. And I'm really with anything you said there. Hey, enjoy the season. Again, primetime ESPN Plus, Berger McFarlane, Chris Berman.
Starting point is 01:03:06 And it's been a lot of fun to watch. And I'm really happy for you, man. So we'll talk soon, all right? Appreciate it, man. Take it easy. And the last thing I'll add, I know you're at home. Can we get a picture on the wall somewhere?
Starting point is 01:03:17 I'm looking around behind you. It's a new house. Dude, just put something on the wall. Hey, go the old school college route just put a towel on the wall like do something dude little yeah no i actually asked but that's that's over in the weight room we've got a full weight room here um and i asked the guys at lsu i said can you get me some sort of flag or something like that um but yes the walls are bare but i'm going to tell you right now that's that's because we're all kind of products of how
Starting point is 01:03:42 we grew up and my mother was a bit of a hoarder. And so there was always stuff. There was always stuff everywhere. So once I got to adult range, I always realized I don't want anything. I want functionality. I want Japanese. I think it's called Japanese minimalist, where I just want everything in the room has to be there for a reason to function. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:03 And so I don't like people that want to put up extra furniture or put things on shelves and little trinkets and all that stuff. I hate all of that stuff. Now, I'm not against art. I'm not against a nice painting or something or a picture, but this room just got redone. This room was in storage a week ago,
Starting point is 01:04:20 so we're ready to roll. Yeah, okay. Hey, you know what? So we're ready to roll. Yeah, okay. All right, dude. Hey, you know what? I'll text you later, man. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Before we finish the podcast with life advice,
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Starting point is 01:04:54 That was the worst. His rookie year was actually 53%. I mean, he was the worst of all qualifying quarterbacks at completion percentage. I mean, it's crazy that back in the day when I was a kid, if you completed 60%, that was considered awesome. He was at 58.8 in 2019, and that was the worst. Well, this year he's at 71% of his completions. The average yards per attempt has gone from six, six and a half-ish to nine. The touchdown interception ratio, 10 touchdowns, 12 picks first year, 20 touchdowns, nine picks
Starting point is 01:05:21 last year. Now his touchdown interception ratio is 10 to one. So the yardage is up. The completions are way up. The decision-making is way up. He's getting sacked. I don't know about the same amount. So we'll leave some room for improvement there.
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Starting point is 01:06:19 And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. All right, here we go. Let's do one life advice. Life advice, rr at gmail.com. Okay, a little stuff here at the top. He gives me his background,
Starting point is 01:06:39 but that's not really what's important here. He goes, all right, long story short, me and my family are sick of the crap. One of my brother-in-laws, let's call him Jordan is pulling on my sister. Let's call her Marie. I hope those are not their real names. It all goes back to when they first started dating 12 years ago. And he caught by my sister living a double life,
Starting point is 01:06:53 dating multiple women simultaneously. Well, using fake names, it got to the point that she was preparing to contact the authorities about his immigration status. He moved to the usa from nigeria for school and has been here for nearly 20 years um because there were some things she knew about that at the time he was loosely in violation of all right so he was he was breaking the law on
Starting point is 01:07:16 top of breaking hearts they worked their stuff out got back together and got engaged married shortly after over the years he's increasingly had excuse after excuse to never come to any family event he takes time off from work to visit friends all over the country often, but will never take time off to come to any holiday event despite all of his planning and around his schedule. In the last few years, Marie has dealt with pretty severe anxiety over Jordan's habits, and he's done very little to help her. He will never be transparent with what he does or where he goes and immediately leads to insecurities based on his past of not being faithful to her. Marie has been seeing a therapist for quite some time, but he refuses to join her despite her asking him to.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Marie has come an incredibly long way in her personal life, both spiritually and emotionally, without any help from Jordan. All right. This is weird. You know where this is going. In more recent months, some shady stuff has come about regarding Jordan. No shit. One of Marie's friends found an Instagram account that Jordan has, which marie and the rest of our family is blocked from seeing her messaging okay and some investigating marie found an instagram fitness models account that
Starting point is 01:08:14 jordan's been interacting with but frequently and gets defensive over so the your sister the wife goes to her husband is like why are you interacting with this fitness model ig account and he gets mad at you um and oh by the way marie is also blocked from this fitness models account all right uh a few weeks ago marie and jordan went on a weekend trip to nashville a few days after returning from the trip marie realized she forgot to mention an issue with something in their room all right so she calls the hotel back to let them know when she called back, they asked her which reservation she was talking about because there was one from their stay the previous weekend and one for the following weekend too.
Starting point is 01:08:52 They had her information connected with Jordan's credit card from the previous day. Just so happened Jordan had visited and visiting a friend in Arizona, but we suspect now that he was in Nashville again. What leads you to that? but we suspect now that he was in Nashville again. What leads you to that? The hotel room reservation at the same hotel in Nashville that your sister wasn't at at the same time as the second resident. Even bigger coincidence, the Instagram model
Starting point is 01:09:15 happened to have a story in her account showing the lobby of the exact same hotel. I don't even know why you're asking me here at this point because you already know the answer. Marie asked Jordan for some sort of proof, a flight, a ticket, anything that could prove he was actually in Arizona. And he refused to provide anything because he doesn't have anything. All right. There's been some conversation between myself and two other sisters about what we should do.
Starting point is 01:09:36 OK, if anything, we always try to stay out of each other's business unless they ask for help. But this is getting to be way too ridiculous to leave it be. I agree. How should I react to this? How should I react to the situation as the only brother in the family? To what degree should I try to comfort or confront him about this nonsense? I don't want to be the one to stir things up, but all my family's fed up with this crap and someone needs to call him out either on a potential affair or pure ignorance of my sister. Any advice is greatly appreciated. That's from Ricky, not his real name.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Okay, that sucks, man. I mean, it really sucks when your sisters are getting screwed over. And this isn't just some guy she's dating. This is somebody she's married to. So clearly there's some feelings here. So you always have to worry about like, okay, your sister's going through this stuff. But does she care about this guy and trying to salvage it more than she cares about common sense? Because common sense tells you these guys are total, total piece of shit. Um, we, we don't, we, we know like anybody that's like, Oh, I'm blocked on this thing. Well,
Starting point is 01:10:33 why would your husband ever block you from looking at any set? Like, why do guys have second accounts? Okay. Problem flag. He's blocked from the account flag, a fitness model blocked me who I don't know flag. Um, he already did this before double life flag like he can't handle he can't do the thing that that you need to do if you're going to settle down right and everybody kind of goes their separate ways and i shouldn't say everyone so i just don't want to like look there's plenty relationships out there where people grow apart and you start doing but this guy from day one was wired this way and your sister still took it back on. So now it gets kind of like your role. Like, what are you supposed to do as the guy? Because, okay. As a, as a brother to a couple
Starting point is 01:11:13 sisters and I, and I understand kind of where you're going from, like you always, like I initially would always want to be the tough guy about it. Okay. I would want to go and pull the guy aside and say, I'm going to beat your fucking head in. If you keep doing this to my sister. And yes, I would say that I'm sorry if it sounds immature or whatever. But then as you get older, you realize, you know what? My sister is the one that's putting herself in this situation. Okay. So 20 year old me would have said something like that and wanted to feel cool about it too. And older me would go to my sister first and say, what do you want this to be? Like, what is your goal? Because if your goal is to get him to change his ways
Starting point is 01:11:46 and to be with you all the time, then that's an unobtainable goal. That goal is not going to happen. This guy now has a, this isn't a screw up in Key West with the buddies. This isn't being flirty and texting with the golf cart girl because you're texting her to make sure you have a couple of Michelob Ultras ready later on at the turn. And then the next thing you know, you're like, why is the golf
Starting point is 01:12:09 cart girl texting you at night? Sometimes these guys will do this thing where there's this emotional thing. I mean, look, women do it too. But again, only speaking as a man here with it. But what you really probably need to do is you probably could confront him once and not be a tough guy about it. Be like, hey, look, here are the facts. Here's what's going on. What's your plan here? Because you wrecking my sister and giving her anxiety is not helping anybody. And that's why he doesn't show up because he either feels guilty or he doesn't like any of you. He certainly doesn't respect any of you. So I think you could have it out with him once, because that's the other thing that is starting to piss me off more in life is that everybody's about taking the high road and not
Starting point is 01:12:44 calling anyone out. And that's why I think the assholes keep winning because you're like, Hey, there's all these people in my industry that do all these shitty things behind the scenes. And I hear about them all the time. And then I see them on social media talking about like how they support each other at work. And it just isn't true. And then everybody's like, Oh, you're the best. It's like, no, you go be like, Oh, you're so there for this. I'm like, Oh, and then I just know, but like, actually this person hates this person. This person tried to get this one fired. This person wants that one's job. And no one ever calls anyone out because that's not the right thing to do.
Starting point is 01:13:09 But because no one calls anyone out, people are more empowered to keep acting like assholes to each other. So I think for your own, the fact that you emailed me, like, this is bothering you enough that I endorse you saying, and not being a tough guy about it, but just saying, look, why are you doing this to my sister? Like, just want to do this though. I think you got to talk to her first because you don't want to say to him, be like, hey, just end it. If this is your routine, then you need to end it. But you can't do that before you talk to your sister. Ask your sister, see how she feels. Ask her, I don't know what the hell her answers are going to be here
Starting point is 01:13:42 with this. Obviously, he likes this guy. But the sad thing about all of this, like the conclusion that I would come to, is that ultimately, like her life is her life and it can bum everyone else out, can bum out your entire family. And it should, because that sucks, man. I don't even like reading that. But if your sister decides to continue to stay in the relationship, that's ultimately what she wants to do. And it's her life. And you'll have to come to some point, and maybe it'll be closure for you to say how you feel to the guy, look him in the eyes, tell him he's a piece of shit. And then if he stays with your sister, he stays with your sister.
Starting point is 01:14:16 It wasn't like he was hanging out anyway. So you're not ruining any dynamic. And continue to not like the guy. Because I would continue to not like the guy if he was doing this to my sister the rest of his life. And there you go. But at least you said it to him once you ask your sister but your sister ultimately is the one to blame for staying in the relationship because she I mean this is this is
Starting point is 01:14:33 indisputable stuff the hotel thing with the Instagram model I'm making me a break so and in the future uh include all handles of Instagram models that we were investigating here. Please. All right. Make sure you subscribe, rate, and review the Ryan Rosillo podcast. Sorry about the swearing there, but, you know, as a guy who has sisters, sometimes I get worked up about that stuff.
Starting point is 01:14:54 All right. We'll talk to you this week. Thank you.

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