The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Boston’s Bounceback and Blowout Basketball, Plus Jorge Sedano on Miami’s Issues and Golden State Nearing a Finals Return

Episode Date: May 24, 2022

Russillo shares his thoughts on Celtics-Heat Game 4, some historically poor statistics for the Heat, staggering margins of victory throughout the playoffs, and more (0:32). Then Ryen talks with ESPN's Jorge Sedano about trying to understand the Eastern Conference finals: blowout wins, historic stats, and yet the series is tied 2-2. They also discuss the impact of the Heat's Bam Adebayo, Erik Spoelstra's coaching brilliance, Mavericks-Warriors, and more (13:41). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (36:57). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Jorge Sedano Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

we're going to try to figure out how to help you understand the playoffs i'm not sure i'm quite there after ridiculous game four and boss the eastern conference finals that series tied up that's where we'll start we're gonna have george sodano on heat fan and also working the western conference finals get a sense of this Golden State Warriors team. Likely headed back to a Finals, and of course some story time with guys that were on the road and life advice. Game four.

Let's try to break this down. So, before we get into all the stats and the history and what this means, Boston tying it up 2-2 now in the Eastern Conference Finals in Miami. The first thing I was kind of looking at is like, okay, now that Rob Williams is back, how does that change things? How does it change things

for Horford? But then Smart is out. Tyler Hero is also out for Miami. So there's just a lot of different things trying to figure this out. And in these teams, it feels like last man up, especially here in the Eastern Conference. Okay, so the first play, I'm looking at how they're going to defend Bam because we were

wondering why Bam wasn't initiating more offense, why it wasn't more aggressive, run the offense through Bam a little bit more. They did that in game three. None of this should be surprising, but I always like to see little tone setters in the beginning of a game to see if something's different. I thought that Al came all the way. They're running this right side, two-man game thing, Lowry and Bam. Horford came all the way out to meet Bam almost at the break. And then Lowry ran some action where you could think of Horford maybe helping off of Bam a little because Bam's not going to hit that shot and hurt you from out there. But he didn't.

He just stayed with him and kind of let Lowry do his own thing. And there was no shading towards him. There was another play a few possessions later where pj was coming through the lane a little bit of a floater uh and and horford had bam to the baseline boxed out but he never came up to help and contest part of that is knowing you have rob but i also feel like it was this part of the plan of just staying as attached to bam as you can the entire time so it's's like, look, don't even help on drives, because if you do, then it's a lob back to him.

So just stay with him. Let him know that you're there the entire time. So that was a small part of it. It's not the entire story of the game, which we'll get to. Another small thing that I really liked that Boston did, they had a two-man game that they were trying to run with Butler getting a switch into Pritchard, which we've seen multiple times in this series.

It was on the left side, two men. And what happened here, and I love when teams do this, is they switch into a bad matchup, but they have somebody else kind of cheating towards the bad switch going, let's switch it again. Sometimes they'll do this before in a different way, but they did it after the fact. And it's hard for Pritchard because then you have to run back to whoever was originally assigned to the guy that was helping you. In this case, I believe it was Grant Williams with P.J. Tucker. P.J. Tucker's all the way in the right corner, so Pritchard has to get back.

But the way Grant just let P.J. go to the other side of the basketball court stayed kind of at the paint and then was like, all right, you got switched Butler into Pritchard, but I'm kind of here and everybody has to be on the same page. This is not easy because it's very easy. It's easy, but it's also even easier to screw it up. It's probably the best way to describe this. And so Pritchard runs back over the corner. Van Gundy's going nuts being like, hey, you know, they're doing some of this stuff. So, all right. The real story is it was 18 to one in Miami missed their first 14 shots,

which is the worst start for a team shooting-wise in a playoff game in 25 years. So I don't know what the hell is going on in the playoffs. I wish I had a better explanation. I know some people think it's fatigue, three-point variance, which, you know, look, I don't think it's that bad. Game three, as Bill and I discussed, you know, that was about effort. It was also about turnovers, where some of the turnovers because of effort and some of the turnovers were just Boston giving the ball away a ton.

And even Boston got it back still to a one-point game, despite how absurd that was. And Butler not playing the second half allows you to make that run and kind of get back into it. That never happened. There was some nice Oladipo stuff, which is like the only positive that you would take from this, the Miami Heat, because historically, when you make your first shot at 321 of the first quarter, that means you're going to rank somewhere. So let's go over some of these numbers that I was looking at here. We'll give credit to some of this stuff.

So it was the first playoff team without a field goal made in the first seven minutes since 2009. team without a field goal made in the first seven minutes since 2009. Haralabab had something on their long two rate that was at 28%. Their season average was 14%. So this was going to register at one point. I don't know what the final numbers were on the long two rate, but this is going to register as the second highest long two rate they had had. Now, if you look at the shot chart in the first quarter for Miami,

there's actually about seven or eight shots that are kind of restricted area, which I know the NBA, the way they track it, they find restricted area in. But just outside of the restricted area, Miami didn't make any of those either. They didn't make anything. They didn't make anything. The Heat starting five scored 18 points total in game four it's the fewest by a starting five in a playoff game since it was first tracked in 1971 so it's the worst starting five production in a playoff game since 71 and likely before that that's just the first year they kept track of this stuff here's another step from Sean Graney, voice of the Celtics on radio.

The Celtics have 12 total losses since mid-January. Their record after that, they're 11-1 with a scoring differential of 17 points. But really what you should do is say it's 11-0 because the loss was against Toronto when they had four starters out. So the 11-1 numbers taking out the Toronto game, Boston's winning the game after the loss by almost 19 points. These numbers are

as bad as they are for Miami, Boston's had a tendency here to answer. And Tatum's been one of those guys as well. Tatum now is fourth in playoff scoring. And as bad as he was in Game 3, and he was bad. And we saw how bad he was in the middle of the series against Milwaukee. This is kind of what he does. And I think what a lot of the guys do that aren't Luka, aren't Steph, aren't Giannis because I still wouldn't put Tatum necessarily in that category.

I have another stat for you that speaks more to the margin of victory in general. Over the last 17 playoff games, I saw this on Twitter. I don't know who had it. Sorry, a million guys had it. The last 17 playoff games, the margin of victory has been about 20 points. So 19.8. There's been a total of seven, a total in 17 playoff games, seven clutch minutes played. Seven clutch minutes played in the last 17 playoff games. So there could be a bigger topic here about what's going on

and what all this means and does the NBA need to fix it. I will argue all the time, sometimes something just happens. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a thing. Maybe this is just a really weird historical thing where there are these swings left and right that we can't really explain. Golden State, who's probably everybody's favorite right now to win an NBA title, is up 3-0 on a Dallas team that we can't really explain. Golden State, who's probably everybody's favorite right now to win an NBA title, is up 3-0 on a Dallas team that we weren't sure about, felt good about

after a miraculous Phoenix win. But Golden State was down 55 points at Memphis in their last playoff loss. They've won four straight since then. So you're like, wait, is an NBA title team going to lose by 55 points against Memphis without Ja? Is that the profile of an NBA champ? That didn't make a ton of sense.

So as I've said throughout, and I certainly can with this series, when someone wins, I can talk myself into it. And when someone loses, I can talk myself out of it. When Phoenix is rolling, you're like, look at all this depth. Look at all the guys they have, All these different options. They have size everywhere. They have Bridges defensively. They have Booker, who plays well off of Paul. Paul knows when to go and when not to go. Aiton

is a big that you can keep on the floor to close the game. Instead, you're like, yeah, Bridges didn't really do a ton of offense on his own. Booker missed a million shots. Paul fell apart at the end of it. Do you really want to re-sign Aiton? That's how quickly the conversation changes. It's the same thing with Golden State. Off the Memphis series, you're like, why was it six games without Ja? What's going on with Klay? Is Draymond just going to be ignored

so much by Dallas defensively? He actually becomes more of a liability. Will Looney play in this matchup against a smaller team that wants to go small all the time? And Looney's been terrific, especially when you go back to looking at what Looney did in game two. It's the same thing with Boston in this series. I can do both sides of this. I could go, well, look, Marcus Smart didn't play in game one. They switched it at Pritchard a million times. He played 30 minutes.

He comes back game two. That's the Celtics. That's what you expect to see. It's 1-1. I think, as I've said throughout, I think Boston's a better basketball team. And then game three happens, and you go, wow, all right.

You know, Miami's really tough. They're really tough. And they are, it's a bunch of really tough guys. They also might be a bunch of really tough guys that are hurt. I don't think Butler looks the same. He was a mess hero doesn't play, which for a team that needs offense for a team that's biggest question mark about winning an NBA title is will they have enough offense to carry them? And then you take hero out of the mix. And then PJ Tucker apparently is dealing with something too. And then I start going, well, you know, Boston just handed them the basketball about half of those 25 turnovers,

and they still got it to one. So why can't they come back and win this thing? And they didn't have Rob Williams. So, yeah, after four games, I'm sitting here going, yeah, they turned it over a ton in game three. And even without Smart, they had Rob back, and that changes things with Bam. Whatever.

I think Miami's hurting big time, and I would be surprised if had Rob back and that changes things with Bam. Whatever. I think Miami's hurting big time and I would be surprised if they came back and won this series in the last three, but this is the story of what this series is. Another little note here, speaking of guys being hurt, because everybody's kind of hurt and it's Ty Lue's old line

when they'd ask him about injury updates, he'd say, everybody's hurt, everybody's playing. There's one last thing, what I talked about months ago, about the high usage rate in the history in the playoffs and how bad it is. It's overwhelmingly bad. Not impossible, but overwhelmingly bad. The last 20 years, the top usage guys. The top six usage players in the playoffs right now,

it's Luka, it's Giannis, it's Jokic, it's Mitchell, it's Durant, it's Ja. The top six, when Doncic gets eliminated here, are all going to be home. I'm not sure what Miami can do to be better other than hope Boston turns it over a million times in Game 5 and just shoots it poorly and the energy will be there for the heat. It's obviously not the same crowd as Boston. I don't know that anybody would debate that one at this point. Could they go small?

Could they throw more Victor Oladipo at them? They could try that. They tried to go small in some of the lineups, and I thought that Boston was just so big at one point. They just had all their big guys out there against a small lineup, and I thought there was a lot of rebounding issues that the Miami Heat had in that game. We'll see what happens, but overall, the swings and the blowouts,

and obviously from just a product standpoint, the lack of close last couple minutes, less reviews though, it's a little disappointing. But it's also, you know, it's hard to explain. It's hard to explain how teams can look so opposite in 48 hours. The playoffs are heating up, and you can make every game feel like Game 7

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Tennessee, or visit 1-800-GAMBLER.NET. West Virginia. George Sodano joins us now. We're going to talk some hoops with him, ESPN's coverage of the NBA playoffs, and, of course, 7-10 ESPN, 4-7 every day with Cap. So, Sedano and Cap. We scheduled this before Game 4,

just so everyone understands. This is not a, hey, let's get Sedano. The series is even. The plan was to just go, let's talk hoops in general. So, Game 3 happens, and then Game 4 happens.

I spent 10 minutes trying to figure it out i'll just leave the i'll just open the floor to you so donna what do you think's going on in this series yeah i i have no idea uh this thing is the wildest thing we've ever seen uh i mean everyone saw this stat yesterday the heat 18 points with the starters lowest of any uh starting group in 25 years the previous low was 25 by the 2009 Spurs, which I believe the starting five of that group was Tony Parker, Matt Barner, Roger Mason, Tim Duncan, and I'm missing somebody.

But nonetheless, it was a long time ago now. And the other crazy thing, Ryan, with this series is, yeah, everyone talks about the disparity at the end of games, right? The 20-plus point wins for each team for the most part, or the leads that have been at least 20 points or more during each individual game outside of game three, which was tight at the end as the Heat were trying to hold on. But the wildest stat I've seen of all is that there's only been four lead changes in the entire series through four games. That's the craziest thing. And if anything embodies what this series is, it's that

stat. I'll admit, I thought Boston was better because they had more options. I thought that they had more offensive options as well. And, you know, in the open, I'm not sure what's going to happen, obviously. But when I started in the open, I go, I can talk myself into a path of how this is 2-2

and I still feel good as a Boston fan going, okay, no smart in game one, turned the ball over a million times and still made it a one-point game in game three, no Butler. But now it's not just the result of Game 4. This Heat team, with no hero, and maybe a diminished Butler. So give me your own timeline, Sedano, of how you felt about the series before it, and where you're at now, and kind of what you're talking yourself in and out of.

So, at the beginning of the series, I picked Heat in 7. I felt that we'd be exactly where we're at right now. I actually thought Boston was good enough, obviously, to win in Miami. And I felt Miami was good enough to win in Boston. So I was OK with whatever the result was going to be. And this is exactly where I thought we'd be. However, to your point, I believe that the diminished state of the heat is something that's worrisome to me. Now, granted, they've done a fantastic job navigating this stuff throughout the entirety

of the regular season and even the postseason. But with the games being every other day now, I think that creates a different set of challenges for them. It's a testament to Spoh, I think. And just, I know everyone hates this word, but the culture that they've cultivated, right? Because you've got guys like Gabe Vincent and Max Struess contributing in a big way in the postseason and including in this

series. So can they continue to do that? I mean, I'm not going to doubt them. I mean, I don't think it's likely, but I can't rule it out because they've just done this stuff over and over and over again. And every time somebody doubts them, they feel this collective thing of like, oh, we're going to stick it to everybody now because now everyone's burying us again.

And it just works itself out in some way, shape, or form. Because that game three, man, the way they held on was basically them, just their collective will to want to play defense at a ridiculous level. And for all the turnovers, people can say the Celtics were sloppy, but they forced a lot of those turnovers. That was really good defense. Like I'm not saying that the Celtics weren't sloppy, at least a little bit, but I felt like Miami definitely was the team that was the aggressor there defensively. So can they muster up another one of those? They, what it's worth, why they think they're the better defensive team. Um, I know that in the regular season that didn't bear itself out.

It has more so in the postseason. But they believe they can win just based on their defense. That for all the talk about their lack of execution, which you and I have talked about in the past, in the half court on offense, they still believe that defensively they can grind this stuff out. Yeah, it's weird because i know they want to grind but at the same point like when i look at the beginning of game three with lowry

and him pushing the basketball and you're like oh okay and it's just i mean we know the recipe if the other team's not making shots and turning it over then you should get in your offense quicker because there's always some kind of advantage if it doesn't happen reset it and get going and i thought that was like the most glaring thing but it's also tied into all of this stuff whether you're making shots or not when you don't write any for nine minutes uh that's that's you know the derrick white part of it you know maybe they weren't even thinking of him and honestly after the first quarter he didn't really make any shots so it wasn't like derrick white just dominated him for an entire game uh i guess i was waiting for the run so you know everybody's making their jokes and they're looking at the score and you're like okay but

just like game three i thought at some point like the most alarming thing about game three for boston was you close the first half with some semblance of a pulse there's all this energy in the building for the third quarter and then you look up and you're like oh you're still down 15 and they still made a run in the fourth quarter so i was like what is what does that mean and i kept waiting for that miami run and again i don't love this offense with all of their pieces and then to not have hero and what looked like a diminished butler uh if it's going to look like that again, the Heat can't win the series. Right. I agree wholeheartedly.

Yeah, Jimmy Butler can't be 3 of 14. They're not winning very many games like that. And if you look at it, he had a couple of these flare-ups with his knee. I don't know the specifics of the severity of the knee, but it's something he's had to manage all season, which is why he's missed as many games as he has. And every time he comes back, that first game has been pretty terrible. But he's had more time off in those scenarios. There's not very much time here.

So can he have that bounce back game? I think we just kind of need to wait and see. But the hero thing concerns me because, yes, they've dealt with him having some injuries in the past. But even when he's been on the floor in this series, they've been at somewhat of a disadvantage. So that concerns me a little bit as well. In that game, to your point,

I did feel like they would make at least a little bit of a push in game four, but they were really bad on uncontested shots. They shot 28% on uncontested shots. And that's not trying to take away from the Celtics, particularly Robert Williams and Al Horford, who were incredible last night. They were, I think, Al was like one of 12

when he contested. They were one of 12 against him when he contested shots. And I think Robert Williams was like, I think they were three of 14, something like that. So those guys were awesome. But there were opportunities for them to get back in that game and they, they just didn't. Um, but it's been the concern that I've had with them the entirety of, of,

of the season heading into the post season. And again, it's something you and I talked about the last time I was on the show with you was that the half court offense, if there was one thing that was going to concern me, uh, that was the thing heading into the playoffs. But it wasn't a huge issue against Atlanta because, you know, I don't know. Atlanta wasn't all that good. Philly was a bit discombobulated.

This Celtics team is, you know, has been the best defense in the league this season. So this is a different beast for them to have to go against. But, you know, I'm just done ruling them out. I still think it could be a seven-game series. If Hero plays and Jimmy's back to being somewhat what we've seen from Jimmy in the past, I still think they can win game five. And then I think at that point, it's a seven-game series.

Let me ask you about Bam. I love him, okay? And we know he had a slow start in series and then game three was the bam game um is he somebody that's appreciated more when you watch him every night or is it perhaps a little bit less compared to the national guys that like go oh i love bam you know i'm i I like to think I watch a lot of basketball. But I wonder if Bam has this slightly lower local ceiling than maybe the way people look at him nationally. Oh, I disagree.

I think it's the other way around. I think that people like you who watch games, for the most part, every night, I think people appreciate you because you know what he's capable of, right? And I think that you, and Eric Spolster has been pushing this for a long time. Like, he wouldn't be as good as we are defensively. And, you know, they're a top 14 defensively without him. Like, he masks a lot of their deficiencies with particular players.

Previous to this team, when Duncan Robinson was out there and Tyler Hero at times in big moments, he was the guy erasing all those mistakes when teams would hunt those guys particularly. And he still does some of that as Hero gets hunted individually. And obviously Duncan hasn't played as much. But he's the backbone of everything they do because out of all the guys at that position, he's one of the few that can literally guard all five.

We've kind of, it's become in vogue to say, Oh yeah, that guy can guard all five positions, but can they guard all five positions? Well, the question, and there's very few of those and he's certainly one of them so i don't think people appreciate that i don't think people appreciate how he initiates a ton of their offense particularly at the elbow um you know previous seasons well not even previous seasons earlier in this season you know when duncan was still playing a bunch um you know their dribble handoff game was a big part of their offense. And without Duncan being in the

lineup, that has hurt his offense a little bit because there was a lot of dives for him in those scenarios. Then when Lowry is out, there's someone who he had a really good connection with instantly getting himself involved in the offense, particularly as a lob threat. So don't really just run offense for him. He is a guy who runs offense for everyone else, right? And I think that that kind of weirds people out, people that don't understand the game to a certain degree or that just watch it casually, don't get how much of an initiator he is on offense.

They just know he's really good at defense, and they just feel like, well, he needs to be more aggressive. And yes, that's true too, but also the way they set up their offense, he's a facilitator in a lot of ways, and he'll get it back depending on who's on the floor with him. So I just think it's you're kind of one of the few people in the national media ryan that understand his actual role within the concepts of the offense real quick though i loved when you

talked about the one two five because we are throwing it around way too much now with guys like oh he can guard one two five you're like wait what like some guys i'll hear like i was reading some some recap of a game the other night and i'm not going to say who the player is because then you're going to figure out who wrote it and then i don't want to do that to the guy and i was just like why would you say this and by the way but the counter that could be well guarding one through five isn't really that hard anymore because it's not like anybody's going to run their offense through the post so you have these guards you have the chauncey Billups at the block in the post fighting with a guy six inches bigger than him,

which is what made Chauncey so great because nobody's going to just, nobody, they would think of it as like wasted possessions even with the size advantage. Okay, so let's, I had something else there with Miami and Spoh.

Can you kind of tell how Spoh feels about a team year to year now? I mean, he's been there a long time he is the best in the league uh he's had different versions of this and you always are like wait you got to take this team seriously there have been years where i looked at the roster i was like come on and then i look up like look at this look at this they're gonna make the playoffs again this year um he's the best so i wonder if you have had and again I know you're not there locally like covering

the heat every single night but do you get a kind of sense like I just thought he was so funny in the sideline thing where he's like we're a little disconnected you know he was kind of laughing almost to how absurd it was which I kind of love about his attitude like other coaches couldn't pull that off if he were a new guy laughing about how bad his team was in game four of the Eastern Conference Finals, you'd be like, what's up with this guy? But what else can you do at that point? It was so absurd.

It was so bad. Give me anything that you can share with us about Spoh and how he navigates this kind of stuff. You know what, Ryan? I mean, you remember this. I mean, he came into the league, right? His first couple of years, he had Dwayne, obviously, who he had a great connection with, you know, because Spoh, people talk about the video coordinator stuff, but what they don't know about Spoh or doesn't get spoken enough about Spoh is that he was one

of their best player development guys, right? Like everyone talks about the video room, but when Dwayne Wade first came into this league he was obviously an incredible athlete could get to the rim with ease and was a very good defender but he didn't have much of a jump shot and the guy that worked with him on creating particularly the mid-range stuff which is what really opened up his game in a lot of ways uh was eric and spo was their player development guy for a long time when he was an assistant so he kind of carried some of that stuff over over the years like and he has still done a lot of that even though he's the head coach right like he has a lot of input on the way they develop guys so when they get these kind of diamonds in the rough, um, kind of collaborates with the scouting group and Adam Simon and Chip camera, and then, uh, you know, EA, their, their, you know, their player development guy.

And, and he, he's very involved when it comes to that stuff. So I think that the combination of that, right. His background being that being a big part of his background that people don't discuss a lot. Um, and the fact that, you know, then in year three, he's dealing with this LeBron Wade Bosch team and all the scrutiny that those guys had to deal with. He's kind of seen it all at this point. Like there's nothing that he, that he's going to encounter that is going to be wilder than anything he's already encountered okay from dealing to the highs and lows of that lebron wade bosh team to dealing with making the playoffs after starting whatever it was 9 and 31 one year with deon waiters and goran dragic as his best players and dragging them to 41 and, and actually just missing the playoffs that year by a tiebreaker scenario.

So he's just been through all this stuff. I've always said to people more recently that he's kind of at the peak of his powers. He knows how good he is. He's seen it all. He's done it all. And he's going to maximize every group that he's had, and he's been doing that for a long time. But now, you know, this year, I feel like considering all the injuries they dealt with

through the regular season, being the number one seed, right? Holding the teams off, dealing with the stuff he dealt with with Jimmy, you know, towards the end of the season in that Golden State game. I just think he is so good at just staying even that, yeah, he doesn't take it. He doesn't, like, take everything so seriously that it just frustrates him. He doesn't get frustrated very much. He's like the boxer who you can just – he'll take you the distance every single round or every single fight because he's just good at it. He's like Floyd Mayweather, right? In that scenario where, you know, it may not be

the prettiest thing in the world. It may even seem boring at times, but he's going to get you to the end of that fight. And he's going to have a chance to win that fight because he knows how to just kind of poke you and poke you and poke you and just like literally, you know, body blows and, and just wear you down. So that's just kind of where he is at this stage of his career. He's seen it all. He's done it all. He's great at the player development stuff. He knows what guys ceilings are. He knows what guys floors are. And he kind of trying to, he kind of adjusts his rotations from game to game or even from season to season accordingly because of all that

stuff you're doing the western conference finals as well uh are you surprised golden state's up 3-0 on dallas i am um only because look i thought they'd win the series uh but only because of the way it went down in game two and game three for that matter. So game two, I mean, I was like, I kind of thought they had a chance when Steph and Klay had played so poorly, Dallas that is, that Steph and Klay played so poorly and I was like, yo, Dallas is only up nine.

And I'm like, I feel like this is a little bit of a missed opportunity here. And then we saw the avalanche come. So I really felt Dallas let that one slip. And then in game three, yeah, game three, it just felt like they were out of sorts completely. And, you know, Luka was good, but they're making him work in a way

that no one had made him work previous to this series. Even Phoenix. Basically, what Kerr's done is they've said to Andrew Wiggins, you're guarding him. You're picking him up beyond half court. Sometimes we're going to have you pick him up full court. And it's not that, again, that Luka's not being efficient even in this series but they're making them get into their offense really late so the average time when Luca brings up the ball across his half court and he actually passes the ball Ryan is nine seconds almost 10 seconds into the play clock so now you're talking about 15, 14 seconds on the clock, and they're just getting into their offensive set.

And that's really screwed Dallas up in a big, big way. So they need to figure out how to get the ball out of Lucas' hands quicker, maybe get it to Brunson or Dinwiddie or whoever else is going to be on the floor with them, and then get it back to Lucas so then he can run the offense because they're wasting a ton of time through three games and that adjustment has yet to be made by Jason Kidd even though I think Kidd has done a decent job in this series with some of the stuff that he's done like he's closed off the paint a little bit on defense but the offensive part to, I'm surprised that they haven't been able to overcome that,

how late they're getting into their offensive set. Because you've been around them a bunch now, doing the NBA stuff for ESPN, give me a sense of how Golden State sees themselves. I know the easy answer would be like, hey, they won titles before, it's still the three guys that are there, and it's Kerr, and it's the same thing. I've got to imagine there's some part of it that's a little different and then also compare that kind of what

dallas was like coming in after that phoenix win is like hey nobody believed in us we have this upset and now they're down like give me a sense just being around them all the time of the personalities of two teams at this point so let's start with golden state so i had a long conversation with steph um after game one and i just kind of asked him like, you know, obviously the last two years had to suck. So like, like, are you guys just enjoying kind of being here? You know, where it was, it felt like it was a given for so long. And he, he totally went into this conversation about how much patience

they've had to have, obviously the injuries, and then developing some of the that they have in the rotation, right? Having some patience with some of the young guys, having patience with, I mentioned the injuries, right, but just Klay and him trying to be Klay again. Even a guy like Kevon Looney, who in the last run was a young guy. He played a little bit, but now he's like an integral part of what they do. And he saved them in game two.

Maybe Draymond went down with five fouls with six minutes to go in the third quarter. Kevon Looney goes nuts in that quarter, has 11 points. They were 0 of 6, the Mavs were with him as the primary defender. He was forcing turnovers. I mean, he was fantastic. Had 21 and 11. It was the first time he had a 20 point game in his career. He hadn't had a 20 point game since he was a freshman at UCLA. So, I mean, this is just to them, like, them realizing that, hey, we're getting older. We should appreciate this stuff more. Not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

And them understanding the patience of their player development, whether it's Looney, whether it's Poole, even guys that just kind of sub in and out briefly, right? Like even a Damian Lee, who was playing the other day, didn't play all that great. But again, they've had to rely on a lot of different guys. And there was questions about whether those guys were reliable. And you're seeing now, particularly with Poole and Mooney, that they have been reliable. So I think that it was a lot of that, right? Like just kind of understanding the moment, not taking it for granted. And then with Dallas, it was that. It was this defiance of,

we weren't supposed to be here. None of you picked us to be here. And, you know, we're going to make the most of it. And it was weird because I saw Jason Kidd's comments after game three, and I wasn't there to see it, Ryan. That defiance almost came across like, to me, like waving the white flag a little bit,

like understanding we're not going to win the series without having seen the way he said it. Right. Cause I don't have that kind of context. I'm just looking at the words. Um, but it feels like it is more from the defiance of we were here. We belong here.

You didn't pick us to, Oh yeah, maybe we were not ready for this stage yet, but we're going to enjoy being at this stage. Thanks, man. Enjoy game four, and I'm sure we'll check in again soon. All right, brother. Take care.

Thanks for having me. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid.

So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. What's up, boys? I feel like... Sorry about the basketball earlier. I feel like we all needed to catch up. Cerruti was off. I forgot that he wasn't even on the Sunday Night Pod.

I asked him to jump in about an hour in. They were like, hey, idiot, he's not even here today. I cut that out all needed to catch up. Cerruti was off. I forgot that he wasn't even on the Sunday Night Pod. I asked him to jump in about an hour in. They were like, hey, idiot, he's not even here today. I cut that out. Don't worry about it. Oh, you cut it out? All right. Cerruti coming off a bachelor party then writing to grown-up stuff. I called Cerruti while he was at the bachelor party because I was at the combine. I had a really good story. I actually think it's a good story.

Cerruti would back that up. Can't share with everybody. I didn't want you to pick up. I didn't want you to pick up and I was kind of glad you didn't. That's on me. There's no one else. I'm just going to look in the mirror and blame myself for that one. No one else I can blame. A couple things that happened. One, I really do. I wanted to

try to hop on on Thursday when we got there. I was a couple drinks in, just getting home from the Windjammer. Everybody wasn't in yet, but I heard some technical issues. Where was the location again? South Carolina? Yeah, we were in Charleston. It's a great spot, right on Isle of Palms. And it was beautiful. And it was the first

day we were there. I had a couple drinks, and I was ready to talk about why I think Chet Holmgren should be the first pick in the draft. But I guess there were some technical difficulties, so maybe we'll do that at a later date. But you did call me twice, and you sent me a text. And I remember seeing them, but I wasn't really in a position to pick either of them up. First, you called me, I think when they were in the middle of playing 21 cups. That wasn't great. And then you also called me. Luckily, it was on

silent during the reception of the wedding I had to go to on Sunday. So not great timing for Ryan, but I did hit you back and I got the story and it was a good story. You called me back on Sunday. So that's why I thought I was in the clear. I didn't know we were at a Sunday wedding. So you went bachelor party Carolina back to the northeast for a Sunday wedding? Yeah, I would not recommend. So I flew, what, 6 a.m. flight on Thursday. I think I probably got, I mean, the bachelor

himself, I think, got about four hours of sleep in three nights. And they're all younger, dude. They're younger than me, so they can have to a little bit harder. So I was trying to keep up, which is not a, I would highly not recommend that either. But yeah so after a lot of high again that would definitely not recommend uh after a weekend of that flew to boston to go to my college roommate's wedding which was fun but i just i looked horrible and i was seeing a bunch of guys and people that i hadn't seen in years and i'm like wow they probably think i'm just like

something's going on in my life here i've hit a rough spot because my eyes were bloodshot and whatever but we had a good time made my eyes were bloodshot and whatever. But we had a good time, made it back, got some sleep, and I'm feeling all right. Tested negative for COVID, so here we go. Ready to go. Yeah, you didn't sound great Monday. I think we spoke briefly. I was like, I can tell.

I can tell something's wrong with this guy. My voice is still messed up. Yeah, it was like the Van Gundy flute game for game four. Yeah. I mean, I toughed it out. I put in the effort. That's all we can say. But we've survived. We're back. Honestly, it was a good spot for Kyle.

These are Kyle's people. They were salt of the earth guys. I don't know. There was a lot of golf. So I don't know if you're a golf guy, Russillo. Actually, I was telling the story, Ryan, about how much you hate talking about golf. And the guys love that. They absolutely love that.

Because some of the guys, it's like a weird basketball situation where half of them are really into golf and the other half just do not give a fuck about it so it was like kind of like totally different vibes and uh when i told them that they were excited but uh look i like golf yeah i like golf but i just don't i thought every interview where people be like hey man you hit him long hit him straight you know you just be like fucking sitting there watching the clock tick away. You've got eight minutes with this guy who gives a shit about his drives. Hit him straight. Don't care.

Hey, Scotty. Scotty, you getting out at all? How's that for her? You know me. You still stealing strokes? Better put it out. No, I'm just talking about in the interviews. And Van Pelt would agree with me, by the way.

He would agree. Then it became a thing where Van Pelt would start asking guys about their golf game. Hey, how are you hitting them? How are you hitting them? You know, get Tony Dorsett on like, yeah, let's ask, let's make sure we get a Tony Dorsett. How are you hitting them in there? Dorsett because when we were doing the Dallas Super Bowl, the Fort Worth location and the stairwell covered in urine, they were like, this is a great vantage point for you guys to do the show. We're like, what? And then Tony Dorsett showed up and he was like, what the fuck? You guys are at ESPN? What is this? Anyway, I don't know.

Talking out loud. Kyle, how are you doing? I feel like I just needed to check in with you guys because I don't know. Because Thursday was such a mess technically because i was in chicago for the combine that was something man yeah it was bad because when you go to the hotel and you're like hey is anyone else complaining about the internet and the guy goes well he goes yeah there's a couple you know there's a couple i was like so it's an issue like it's a real issue and like i can't do the podcast here yeah not a great start i think 10 minutes before we had barkley he was like i'm gonna go yell at the manager and make him find

something it's like 10 minutes before he showed up and i think i was alone with barkley for two minutes and it probably felt like 10 extra minutes because i was like we'll just see if he comes back i was like i just kept saying uh should be 30 seconds so i think i said 30 seconds maybe three four times and then you showed up and I just let out a huge breath. We don't have technical difficulties really ever. And for all the days to have it, because I was on the road and normally like whenever I have to do this from a hotel, it's never an issue. It's never been an issue. And then the guy starts saying, I can have a guy come up, maybe reset it for us. Like, all right, we played that game before. Like, I'm not trying

to play Mike Tyson punch out here. I'm trying to interview Charles Barkley. I'm not, I'm nowhere near old enough for you to tell me just redo it. Like just restart it. I'm not, I'm not 75 guy. I know when it's working. I know when it's not working. It's not, we're not pushing the reset button on this thing. And so then he goes, you could just do it in the lobby. And I'm like, you know, this is actually, I know everybody has a podcast.

People actually listen to this one. So I can't just do it in the lobby. I know everybody has a podcast. People actually listen to this one. So I can't just do it in the lobby. I can't just do it in the lobby and just be waving at people while I'm interviewing somebody. And then finally, some guy got me upstairs. We only dropped it twice. But after that, I was like, I don't think I can check into that hotel again because I had to do the deal with Bill.

I actually did an adult. I spent the night in Lake Forest, Illinois. Beautiful, beautiful little town. It actually has a small school, 1500 admission. Apparently D3 sports, 23 varsity sports. Incredible little setup. Did a little plunge. Jumped in the water 53 degrees Sunday morning.

That'll wake you up. Sounds like Potsdam. Nice. Yeah. Sounds real cool. Real estate might be a little more expensive than Potsdam. Just guessing. Well, some areas.

I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so I don't really have a ton more expensive than Potsdam. Just guessing. Well, some areas. I don't know. Anyway, I don't really have a ton more interesting on that. We just needed the whole group to check in. How was your trip back? I came back yesterday, right? I heard you had a rough flight in.

Bad flight in, yeah. Again, once again, when people complain about Delta, I just assume you don't travel that much. Because I was not on Delta this week, and I'm not going to say what I was on. Delta is the best. It's not close. I don't know why anyone would argue with me about this.

It's somebody that had to fly in and out of Connecticut, and it was always connections the entire time. Airlines make mistakes. They all do. Delta makes far less than everybody else does. So when I see somebody on social media being like, oh, here we go again, I again i'm like well then you don't fly the other airline so i had to try i had to do a different airline we crashed basically when we landed we crashed like it was so hard that people were free like you ever hit the tarmac or runway whatever you ever hit it hard and go whoa that kind of this was a jolting screaming experience.

Did you hit and go back up? Yeah. Bounced up. Nice. Were you scared? No, I was pissed. Cause like my leg,

that's the most Ryan thing ever going to be recovering from this for a while now. Yeah. Right. And then you're kind of thinking like, is the pilot going to say anything to us on the way out? Cause we'd already been delayed. We were circling forever.

It was a three and a half hour flight. It took six from sitting down there. It was six hours until I got out of the seat after we crashed. I don't think the pilot even got out to say anything to anybody because you're kind of hoping like, can I just look at you at the end of this and just go, hey, that was a rush. You know, like, can you give us some acknowledgement that was a fucking disaster on the way in just something just let me know that you feel something inside just a quick my bad that's it yeah that's all i just want to look at you and go because the pilots have a tough gig but i did this rant before about how when as soon as the guy says oh we're just double checking the logbook should be five ten minutes crack open your churn out because you're going to be there an hour

all right well that was like Kyle telling Charles Barkley it's going to be 30 seconds. So you just know. And there has to be some psychological thing that they've done where they go, if you tell everyone, hey, we're going to be here an hour, it's way worse for the flight attendants know flight attendants it's it's just

way worse for vibes i think if you go hey it's going to be an hour probably going to suck yeah whereas if you just incrementally lie and keep going hey five ten minutes i don't know where this logbook is you know they said they're good to go we're ready to we're ready to go you know there has to be some psychological thing behind it. We're, I guess we're idiots. No, this is a you can't handle the truth situation. People just can't handle the truth. That's what it is. If you tell them an hour, they're going to freak out and start making phone calls.

Social media starts blowing up. Big cat gets on the case. If you tell them five minutes, then they just, they kind of, all right, I'll get on my phone for five minutes. They don't realize 15 minutes has passed. Like, that's kind of how it works. I would rather be told the truth once than lied to five times in increments all right this is not a pay as you go this is not karma or whatever it is like you know i don't i want the bad news now all right remember that ad we read a year ago nice nice job don't even say it right i think i forgot no you nailed it

you fucking uh so anyway that's a great point though if you're like if you go bad news good news like who goes good news first that's insanity you always give me the bad news like what's the worst thing i'll prepare i'll deal with it it doesn't change anything like i'm in this seat for an hour no matter what you say. So just tell me. And that way I can kind of adjust. Maybe it's a working out mentality of like, how many more do I have? I don't just go one and then say one again. So I only one time, I only one time said anything and it was out of Detroit snowstorm two hours, you know, Hey, we're de-icing. Oh, I can't believe they didn't de-ice.

Oh, I guess they did it. On and on and on and on and on. It took forever. On the way out, I go, hey. As everybody's high-fiving the pilot, it just hit the game winner. You're just going. I stopped because it wasn't a huge line. It was like the end.

Not many people were going to Hartford. It's Sunday night at midnight. I go, why can't you just say, hey, we're going to be here a couple hours. It was like the end. Not many people were going to Hartford. It's Sunday night at midnight. I go, why can't you just say, hey, we're going to be here a couple hours? He was like, what? He gave me some of that. And I was like, no, no. And then I brought this up before on the radio. It didn't go over well with the flight community.

People are like, oh, the job is hard. You don't get it. I know the job is hard. I know that I'm not flying the plane. I'm just saying, overall, the industry needs to ask themselves serious questions about do we really think we're making it better for people by just saying hey it's going to be 15 minutes 10 minutes five or six times just just fucking say hey we don't know we don't know it's kind of suck the other thing too and this is probably gonna piss the flight community off but isn't really the only job of again this is going to come off

really wrong isn't taking off and landing like kind of the only variable there like once the plane's in the air like the pilots it's kind of on autopilot i'm not i can't believe you just said that i can't believe you just did that pal i cannot believe you just did that all right hit up my hit up my twitter my bad shit. Shit. Cerruti's going to be writing into Life Advice next week. I can't get out. I took a day off. I'm hot. I can't book any flights. I'm going to miss my next wedding. Yeah, I'm not endorsing that last

part. This would be a classic NBA thing. I'm as pro-pilot as anybody. Yeah. Does that mean I have to be anti- passenger? Yeah. Does that mean that's great that was even better kyle thanks i've been paying attention all right let's get some life advice in here life advice r gmail.com uh life advice dating app i don't know this address was this person

trying to be so tough to detect yeah i think so that it's like this is like a fake password for apple when apple's like hey do you want to try this password and be like hey do you want me to never ever fucking remember anything the rest of my life like what kind of password suggestion is that all right dear podcast people my boyfriend uh that he listens to okay so i've always i'm always excited to hear stories he's heard during your life advice segment for the most part we typically agree the points being made however i do always joke you need a woman's perspective on your show just saying we had nicky glazer on and she she tore the top off or whatever kind of stuff we needed all right with that said we'd like to hear your thoughts and a disagreement we've occasionally had over the last several months

we met on a dating app almost a year ago long story short we met enjoyed each other's company and within a couple weeks officially in a relationship. I, a relatively more advanced user of dating apps, who knew how to probably delete my account. My boyfriend, on the other hand, a novice of dating apps. I'm the second person he's ever met

on one. Lucky SOB. Did not. He snoozed his profile. You guys know what this is? Snoozing a profile? I think it's just you delete it off your phone. You don't do anything with it. I think. Okay.

Sounds like it. I don't think there's a snooze button. I think it's just you delete yourself off your phone. Don't feel like hooking up this weekend. Just 24-hour snooze. All right. He snoozed his profile and deleted the app from his phone. So I think it might be more. I think it's something you do with the app and then take it off.

For those who don't know, this does not actually delete your profile. I understand this part. Although your profile will become inactive and users won't see it come up as an option, previous matches still have that visibility. I don't love the idea of my boyfriend essentially having a dating profile, albeit inactive. In his eyes, it's

not on his phone, so he doesn't have one. In mine, there are people, even if only a small number, that still have access to his quote unquote profile. He personally thinks it's too much of a hassle to redownload and log in just to delete it. I understand his side of things, which is why I don't push it, but every now and then it'll come up and I tease it about still having one. Come up and I tease it about still having one. Now we come to you. Am I being unreasonable for wanting to take five minutes of his day to properly delete it? Or should I just drop it? Since neither of us have strong opinions on the matter. It sounds like you have a stronger opinion.

Yeah, you're just emailing into the show. Right. Let me bang out a few paragraphs on something I don't care about. We agreed if the story made it on the show, we follow whatever advice was given. So we leave it in your hands. Perfect. I'm going to save you guys a ton of problems here. Just sit down with her pal and just delete it.

Watch her. We'll be like, do it. And then, and then, you know, she'll be like, oh yeah, sorry.

That was kind of dumb. It's fine. It's great. Just do it. Then she won't ever think about it again. That's it. Sorry. I agree.

It's five minutes. I mean, mean clearly i don't i don't think here's the thing here's the thing i don't think it matters i i wouldn't care but it clearly matters to her so just just delete it i don't it's not that big of a deal how did they say how long they've been dating uh i thought i thought they said a year did i make that up yeah so if it's a year a year is a long time if it was like a couple of months you're like hey delete your app like i don't think it's a year putting the heart of the car ahead of the horse a little bit but totally made that up yeah you made that up all right yeah so all right but even if it is like hypothetically if it's like a year or more you know if it's only a couple months you're like hey delete your apps all right that's you're being a little pushy but if it's been a while and you

guys are kind of like figuring out what your long-term future is i don't think it's unreasonable to want him to do it even though i don't think it's a huge deal but from the guy's perspective who could just get rid of it yeah pal if it all falls down you can start it up again in five seconds yeah with a better bio even you know maybe you'll do it better this time but yeah just do it make it easy on her

and yourself I I was dating somebody and I still had Facebook then and I had a had Facebook then. And I had a couple of people chiming in back when your boy was in the heat zone. And she was like, well, what's this?

I was like, well, I can't really control that. Somebody from my past says something flirty. It's my wall, but I'm like in charge of who says stuff so is that exactly what you said yeah so i was like all right well fuck this i was like i'm not dealing with this i don't even like this but i was addicted to the stupid college campus like video game to like build your campus and add a stadium and upgrade the video boards and i was determined to not ever pay for any of the upgrades which is basically all these games exist because kids just fucking buy stuff you're like man like look at our revenue you're like yeah did you ask the dad

yet about his credit card bill yeah this kid keeps racking up for coins to upgrade the landscaping is some fake campus battle points yeah well let's see right because i was traveling so much and i'd just be screwing around my laptop i was like all right let me see if see if the kids like the movie theater upgrades i've made and so i was like all right i'm just gonna do a just a standard fake you know account but i had to log into it just to get the video game stuff back and then the girl i was dating like six months later went to log into her Facebook and then it came up and she's like oh my god and I felt like such a loser and I said I was doing it to stay in touch with somebody internationally and really I didn't want to admit I'm actually addicted to this stupid fucking campus game mobile game it was a mobile game right yeah well

no back then dude it was like farm bill straight. It wasn't Farmville. I kind of remember that. I think I remember the college game. It was like Sims kind of, right? Yeah, but it was awful because you would just have... I would have rather just bought the game for 50 bucks and played something, and instead it was, oh, I'll wait around two days to see if

the approval rating... Anyway, I'm going to shut the fuck up because I've talked about the whole point. The thing is, is girls don't like this stuff, man. They don't. Women, sorry. So I agree with the emailer here. Why would you want to keep dealing with this shit if it takes you five minutes to solve the problem?

I don't think you need to keep giving them shit about it. All right, so I'll back up the guy here a little, but I think we're a consensus call here that the effort to put into removing the amount of times this will keep, because clearly this is going to keep coming up. I don't think this is just going to be a go away thing. So just get rid of it. Get rid of it for real. It doesn't matter. So we agree with the emailer here, but take it easy on them a little bit. All right. Okay. Am I making a bigger deal out of something than should I expect an apology? Six, two pushing three bills Peloton five them a little bit. All right. Okay. Am I making a bigger deal out of something than should I expect an apology?

Six, two pushing three bills Peloton five days a week though. Nice. All right. Great output, man. Uh, incident over the week.

My wife had her best friend from high school visits past week. Let's call her Ashley. Uh, she was the maid honor, but I wouldn't say there are still BFFs anymore outside of shared history. Her parents also came along as both families are friends not a full house because visiting parents stay with my in-laws and we could just get together for activities and dinner both dads are bigger guys as obviously i am everything

up to this point has been a good time and this is also in the context of my wife has friends uh i don't like visit i typically just sit in the chair and watch sports and I'm not as engaging when she has friends visit. I do like, in other words, Ashley's typically on the good friend side in my book. All right. So our guy engages. So we're out to dinner wrapping up. It's my mother-in-law's birthday. So we need to go back to their house for the cake gifts. We're about a five minute car ride away. There are seven of us. Ashley's mom is not drinking so she can drive. We have one car on the premises, a Maserati SUV, which is an SUV but runs small. Yeah, that does run small. As we're coordinating our departure, I mentioned three times

why doesn't one group go in the car and the other catch an Uber? It'll cost us maybe seven bucks and at worst a 15-minute delay. I get overruled by everybody and we think it's a good idea to stuff everyone in the car. The driver, three overweight guys, my mother-in-law on the lap of one person my wife tucked away in the trunk like we were 16 year old sneaking into the drive-in movie theater all right so the maserati suv can we pull one of those up so rudy it's not a trunk right it's just the cargo area in the back it's like a hatchback right yeah i think there's a trunk truck's a whole different deal. You get thrown in a trunk. You guys ever been thrown in a trunk?

Yeah, I think it was more of fucking around with your kids, but yeah. Yeah, I've been in the truck. I've been driven in the bed of a pickup truck before, which was kind of exhilarating. That's like a pleasure. Except when it's just open on the highway.

As soon as the car starts. It's not that huge it's not massive but it's you know there's you could fit back there but it isn't a trunk trunk like closed off no no it's not closed yeah there's windows and stuff right as soon as sorry as soon as the car starts my wife starts complaining that it's hot and then starts saying she can't breathe and she goes into crying that she can't breathe. And she goes into crying that she can't breathe. Oh, she's claustrophobic, is she? I'm sandwiched into this car where my leg is in my chest. My hand is pinned against my side so I can't reach the handle. But I start screaming at everyone to stop the car and get out now and help her.

In my mind, when my wife is screaming I can't breathe, it equals an emergency. And especially when no one else is reacting, the manners go out the window. This goes on for probably 30 to 60 seconds felt like an eternity car finally is parked and finally someone gets out of the car we all pile out and my wife is fine but i've got the adrenaline going at this point i just start yelling when i say stop the car it's an emergency stop the car with some expletives mixed in oh shit ruining the day you went you went fucking crazy no i like this but keep going all right all of a sudden i'm now mr overreaction you guys are both perfect and ashley the the maid of honor no longer bff ashley starts yelling at me

that quote i can't talk to her mother that way and gets high and mighty with me i never said anything specific about or to her mother more to the entire group i don't know man if you started screaming stop the fucking car yeah who's driving yeah all right uh this continues throughout the night now i'm pissed i am not respect me this is my house and you're my guest guy all right i've been historically willing to take an l on an argument when i'm in the right just so the other person shuts up and we can turn to our pleasantries. But this time was just a bridge too far for me. I don't know.

If it was the seriousness of the situation, from the start, I was the this is stupid, let's get an Uber guy, and it was still lingering. So the real question is how hard should my feet be dug in on this one? I didn't kick anyone out of the house, but I've been a little less jovial throughout the week. We probably won't see Ashley in person again for five years. This will be one of those things that are never spoken again.

But I'm also a little exhausted of constantly being the voice of reason and then being crapped on or essentially being right. A lot going on there. All right. So I would, you know, I wasn't, we don't know uh i have a lot of questions i don't know if we're gonna well we're never gonna get answers on these um if your wife is

screaming and this is not something she normally does um and she's freaking out is the husband like i can get you kind of losing your mind in there and going, hey, everybody else, my priority is my wife. I don't care what else is going on here. So I don't know why no one listened to you. And of course, yes, you planted the seed that like, why can't we just get the Uber? Everybody told us you were wrong. And then your wife's screaming she can't breathe minutes later. So I can get why you were so upset about this. It sounds like you probably crossed the line though, because you said there were some swears mixed in and you're denying it with the, it wasn't like, I didn't say F you to a specific name, but we all know exactly what you're talking about because they didn't stop

the car. So you're talking about the driver, you're talking about the mother-in-law. So they, they clearly think you're a lunatic. even if i can understand your justification but it's hard to kind of have any idea of like do you do this a lot do you get mad about things that you think like all right i'm taking this too far so we don't have the answers to any of this stuff so i wouldn't say feel too bad about it what i what i'd ask you is who cares about the W in this? What's the win in this? Where is the win? Months later, hey, you know what? We should have got an Uber, bud.

You know what? Like there is no W here. So why do you care? What is it about it that's going to make you feel better? Unless you feel like everything's changed, but then you just admitted you're probably not going to see this woman again for five years. So this isn't like a neighbor you're interacting with. It's not like a coworker. It's not a sibling. So what really is the win

for you in this? Somebody admitting that you were right about not being... I agree with you. I think all of us are going to agree with you. The small SUV, three guys pushing three bills, women scattered all over the place. That's insane. Yeah. You were right's insane yeah you were right man you were right so maybe this is your win but deep down they know it too yeah but in context of like what you're hanging on to what you're hoping what kind of resolution

it's probably never coming and if you got it what would it mean it doesn't even mean anything this is probably going to go down as like a weird dinner event i mean i've got one we've got one we talk about you know what's yours and those people i don't even think i could say it pal i don't think i could say it but we all know everyone who's involved we all we all say give me a give me a sampling give me a hint it was just a rough dinner and there's like a motion that people do because we were all there we're like oh that was weird like you know if you did something weird when you were saying like if you're like moving your arms when you were dropping f-bombs like that might be a like a you know might be a thing that's like oh you don't want to pull a bill

or something like that like it might just be one of those uh pull a bill well i don't know if your name is bill pal i'm just saying i i like you don't do it you want to pull a mark or something you know um i see what you're saying now, Bill, Bill wasn't the subject of the story, but he was there. Um, so the whole I'm going to say is, uh, is, is you probably just became part of like one of those things that's going to be, you know, it's going to be infamous and you can, you can come back from it, but I don't know if you're going to be able to, uh, that's never going to go away. It's probably just gonna be talked about when you're not there. I'm just really curious who got in the trunk now that your wife said that she was no longer eligible to be in

the trunk how'd you guys get home sounds like you pulled over three minutes away from the house right he's like it was like 60 seconds in the car and then they got out i don't really know how they got home i'm wondering who got in the trunk yeah that's some good sleuth in there kyle who knows just laid across like whoever's in the backseat or something? It sounded like there was no room to squish the fourth person in there if we've got a bunch of big guys. And the big problem is a big person couldn't have drove. If one of the big people drove, it would have been fine.

But that's just not what happened. This could have been avoided a multitude of ways. But I'm done. That's all I got. The only thing I'll say is there is a win here, though, Ryan. Oh, there is is i think it's the way that you defend your wife is important like you know like you have her back in the situation if you're the one that's like i mean it's like the chivalry is not dead thing if like if no one's taking her seriously and she's freaking out in the back and you come up with a stern yell even if there are a couple expletives in there

that could go a long way in the relationship like Like as a married guy, like I know my, I mean, I don't think I would ever be in a situation like that necessarily. Uh, but my, I know, I know my wife, Maddie would appreciate me having her back in that situation. So, and she's the one that you see every day and she's the one that's obviously your wife. So that's kind of the most important thing. Like if you're, if you're in-laws or whatever, and you've got a couple of friends that aren't super big fans of you anymore, that's one thing. But if your wife's like, hell yeah, I appreciate you having my back, then that's way more important. So I kind of think there is a win there. And if that's the way it went down, then you should feel good about yourself. That's probably why I'm not married,

because I just am so pragmatic about everything that I feel like I'd be like, no, hey, look, I know we're married. I know we have three kids. I love you to death. You were wrong. Kyle was right. Hey, look. She'd be like, wait, you're taking nephew Kyle's side? You'd be like, look, Kyle made a better argument. You made a bad argument. You didn't have the numbers on your side on that one. I'm sorry, but I can't. What, do you want me to lie to you?

You want me to tell you that you did a good job when you didn't? You didn't. You didn't do a good job. Sorry. What's for dinner? Thanks to Kyle and Steve. As always, please subscribe to the Ryan Rosillo Podcast, Ringer, Spotify.

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