The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Brady-Belichick Legacy Update and the Rolling Packers. Plus, Doug Pederson on Super Bowl LII and His Philly Exit.

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

Russillo shares his thoughts on the Packers’ Week 10 win over the Seahawks, Buccaneers-Washington, Patriots-Browns, and the updated Bill Belichick–Tom Brady power rankings (0:34). Then Ryen talks to Super Bowl champion coach Doug Pederson about his first season away from the game of football in nearly 30 years, playing college ball in Louisiana, being drafted into the NFL, transitioning to coaching, the Eagles' Super Bowl title after the 2017 season, his exit from the Eagles in 2020, and more (9:54). Then Ryen, Kyle, and Ceruti have an in-depth discussion about broadcast news (41:20), before answering some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (55:45). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Doug Pederson Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

today's podcast doug peterson what happened with the tank game what happened with nick coles and carson wentz and is he gonna start coaching again uh we'll do an open on this week in the nfl and our first ever 2021 bill tom legacy rankings so update those we do an open on this week in the NFL and our first ever 2021 Bill Tom legacy rankings. We'll update those and we do a little on local news and life advice that goes way too long. NFL week 10 in the books. Your headline is the Green Bay Packers 17 zip against Seattle. That was a grind, huh? I mean the whole

time you're like, how is Green Bay not winning this game by more back-to-back end zone picks? Pump for Jamal Adams' press conference. It'll be two hours long on his pick in the end zone. But Green Bay right now is 8-2, 4-0 at home, and the number one seed in the NFC. Remember, the only team that gets the bye week in the playoffs, that's the one seed.

Let's look at a couple other factors here for Green Bay. Their remaining strength as schedule is 26th because their division, second best team in the division is Minnesota Vikings, but they're 4-5. They could argue a bunch of different wins, losses, but as we tell you, you can't listen to the coach after a disappointing season and talk about all

the one-score games they lost, one-possession games that they lost because that's basically the league for the most part, except for the horrible teams. But Minnesota has a real valid sense. You see the stat yesterday. Minnesota is the only team in the NFL that has had a seven point or more lead in every single game this season. So Minnesota has had some that could have gone their way, but I don't think you can also turn it into saying, hey, we should be 8-1. You can't count every close loss as a win by ignoring every close win that also stays as a win. You can't do that.

All right, so we know the division isn't tough. The rest of the schedule isn't tough. They've got a couple teams coming up, though, that there's some better teams. They have like two games where you're like, okay, that's going to be tough. We'll see what happens. I still think Arizona should have won that game, but they didn't.

The bigger part of this is the defense. We've realized that Aaron Rodgers is going to dominate the headlines because of everything that's gone on with Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. This is not a surprise, but what's been weird is that the rest of the Packers' success has drafted off the Aaron Rodgers vaccination, non-vaccinated headlines.

Defensively, some of the metrics aren't crazy, all right? But they've been getting better. But then if you look at some of the opposing numbers, just straight, you know, more of the traditional stuff, yardage and points, they're number three in opponents' points and they're number three in opponents' yards per play. So this defense is stepping up,

which has always been kind of my criticism of Rodgers, the quarterback, in that he's so mad about the situation. And now it looks like they are geared up to have a really nice defense through the run here of the colder months, and if they're at home. But at the NFC, at the top, I still think you can throw those five teams in a hat. One will not be healthy. They're going to have a big injury. One of these other teams is going to stay clean.

They might be better. They just might be healthier. But whether it's the Packers, Cardinals, Cowboys, Bucks, Rams, it's those five. Even though the Saints are the sixth seed as of right now in five and four, I don't think you put them in that group. I don't think we need more explaining on that one. But it's those five. But right now the Packers are ahead of

all of them and they're doing it with their defense. There's something people say when it comes to college football that drives me absolutely fucking crazy. And people say it all the time and they're going to keep saying it. I'd love for people to stop saying it, because when you really think of it, it's not that insightful. People have been saying it forever.

It is this. When you have a college football team lose a game that they're not supposed to lose, what does the analyst always say? You'd be like, well, 18, 22-year-olds, you never know what you're going to get. What does that mean about when the Bills lose to the Jacks? What about when Baltimore gets smoked by Miami on a primetime game? Or Tampa goes into Washington and loses to the football team and gives up one of the biggest drives we've seen from a team all season long. We'll get to that in a second.

What does that mean? Like imagine if an NFL studio analyst were sitting behind the desk and they come to halftime and the good team's getting smoked to the bad team or whatever. It can even be postgame. It doesn't matter. Good team unexpectedly loses the bad team. Tampa was a 10-point favorite, 9.5 depending on where you saw

the number, and they lose this game. Imagine a guy going, you get a bunch of 28- to 32-year-olds, you never know what's going to happen. Because it's the same thing. It's the same thing. It is this game. We are convinced because the scores are not worth one point, but six points, that somehow winning 21 to 7 is the dominant game when it's really 3 to 1. You'll see a team get smoked, and really what it comes down to is

the possessions are so fragile that bad teams can hang with good teams. That's maybe why we do love this sport is that you still feel like a chance. You have a chance on any of these Saturdays or Sundays for something to happen. Not so much in college, but more so in the NFL because the talent disparity is so much greater depending on the schools that we're talking about here. But it happens. All right. Really good teams lose to bad teams for no other reason than it just sort of happens but whenever it's in college we blame the age group and no one would ever go yeah you know

a bunch of grown men with mortgages a couple kids you never know what you're going to get on a sunday it doesn't make any sense and neither does this win but again they happen uh heineke was perfect in this game i mean mean, seriously, he was perfect. And Heineke's kind of one of those, hey, we've got this guy. This is great. It's like having the 20th best point guard in the NBA where you go, hey, our guy's actually not that bad. It's a really deep position, but we're not going to do anything

until we get one of those guys that's a lot better at the position. And the best part of this is kind of like, if you're a quarterback and you're trying to describe yourself, you go, I'm not so much Heineke, but I'm not so much heineke but i'm not so much cousins like wherever cousins is on the safety thing although cousins at times can be a little bit more adventurous um not all the time look we've heard my cousin's uh dissertation so we don't need to do that again but i just think of like this the spectrum of quarterbacks like heineke doesn't care and sometimes it looks

awesome uh he's kind of like shorter Ryan Fitzpatrick and where Fitzpatrick goes from team to team it's like yeah we're gonna do a few starts and some nights it's gonna look awesome and then some nights you're gonna be like oh this is why he's on his fifth different team in five years and Heineke stepped in and I'm telling telling you, that drive, 19 plays, 80 yards for 10 minutes and 21 seconds. They go from fourth, they go up 30-19. That is one of the single best drives I've seen as far as importance and opponent. Tampa's a good defense. I mean, they're not all-timer here, but they're still a good defense. And in that spot, Washington just put it together. They just went right down the field as slow as you possibly could.

I think the best way to describe Heineke Cousins, I would look at it this way. Cousins is still talking about that spring break to senior frogs versus senior frogs. Heineke goes to Tulum. Cousins is like, I like corn, but they can be a little hard but Creed brings it no skips Heineken's like

I saw Pantera when I was in high school and I smoked cigarettes at the show and Cousins is probably like remember that one time we tapped a keg at our apartment and Heineken's like I own a small piece of a dive bar in Delaware.

Okay, this Washington loss plays perfectly into, for the first time in a long time, yes, you guessed it, an updated legacy rankings for Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. I think last year it was close. It was too tough to call it. But we leaned Tom because of the Super Bowl.

So I think Bill ended up number two to Tom's number one. And I haven't been call it, but we lean Tom because of the Super Bowl. I think Bill ended up number two to Tom's number one. I haven't been doing it. The IT department over here, we haven't been crunching the numbers as much this season with it because we like to keep things moving. I just felt like it was time.

You've got Tampa losing to the Rams on the road, the Saints, which didn't make a ton of sense last week, and then Washington. You go, all right, what is the lesson here? What's going on? What's the lesson here? What's going on? What's the chess move? What's that other thing? Is Tom

doing this? Are they losing these games so that it's a teaching moment? Is that perhaps what's going on? I don't think you're going to rule it out. Not with a leader like Brady. But then on the other end of it, you go, okay, what do you do with Bill? Overhaul the roster defensively, spent like crazy finally in free agency. Some of the draft picks, not quite sure yet, except for one, and that's Mac Jones. They get him in the middle of the first round. got to go Bill one, Tom two.

It's not because of the Washington loss, but if Bill actually did this, and this is maybe what he did and what he knew he was going to do the entire time. Did Saban tell Bill years ago, hey, this Mac Jones guy went available middle of the first round, grab him. Ignore all the other quarterbacks in this class because Mac was close to flawless in that game.

And on the other side of it, we're not going to do a Baker part of this because this is Bill Tom legacy rankings. If Baker's hurt, that would be probably a good thing, and clearly he's hurt, but there's also a lot of maybe clearly Baker isn't the guy. Think about this move by Bill. Think about this chess move that only Micah Parsons would understand.

How about this? You get rid of the best quarterback of all time for a guy whose floor might be the second best quarterback of all time and it only costs you a 2020 season where people weren't even leaving the house anyway that's what you could be looking because i think mac jones floors is number two go i think that's a safe floor and so that's 40 years of goats with one year in between. So Bill, number one, Tom, number two. Doug Peterson. It's going to be good to catch up with our guy here.

Coach of the NFL, played a bunch of years. And looking at it, Doug, I was going over the resume. This has got to be the first year for you away from football since, man, like Pop Warner. Like, how long has it been since you haven't been doing anything with football? Yeah, Ryan, first of all, thanks for having me on. And it's been a long time. I think it's been over 30 plus years, going all the way back to my high school days of doing football, right? Doing something in the football world.

And then, of course, you course, my college days and playing in the NFL. It's been a long time since I've had a substantial break like this. I'll tell you something. This has been a good time just to step away and recharge and just freshen up and

see what the future holds. What are you like when you watch games now on Sunday? I'm interested and I'm not interested. It's kind of funny because I always use this phrase, are you committed or are you interested with my teams? And that's of course

when I was coaching and in it and everything. I look at it, obviously I look at the games now and I watch a ton of football. I look at it from a fan's perspective just a little bit but i'm still i'm still watching offensive formations i'm watching where you know like the game game you know last night with the chiefs on and and where where's coach reed putting tyree kill where is he putting you know travis kelsey and and guys like that so

i'm looking at all these matchups now you know and of course my wife is sitting there and she's watching the ball and how a fan would typically watch the games, but I'm watching it more like a coach. And how's the defense lining up? You know, what was it, nickel personnel, dime personnel? How are they doing this? How are they doing that? And that's kind of how I've been coached, obviously,

but that's how I'm watching the games now. So I'm a little bit of a fan, but I'm more of a coach watching these games. Is there one team you find yourself wanting to watch more than the others? Not really. We're down in Florida now, and so we get a lot of the Jacksonville. We get Miami, some of the Tampa Bay stuff, and of course those local teams. But I'm just watching what's on.

And then my home office is set up where I can watch all the games on a Monday or Tuesday and just kind of see what are the trends that are going on around the league, how are teams using, again, certain personnel groups and stuff. But I don't watch a specific team or anything like that. I guess that I wasn't trying to do that to you but like if you had mentioned a team that wasn't doing well then it was like oh wait that's that's why doug doug watches those guys he's trying to figure out um when he's going to get back into this i want to go back to the beginning um at least in some of the more prolific playing

stuff how did you end up in washington state and all the way down into Northeast Louisiana to play ball? So, you know, I, I grew up, uh, I grew up in the state of Washington, um, up in Ferndale, Washington is where I grew up. My, my mom and dad and, uh, my sister, two younger brothers, you know, that's where we grew up and, and went to Ferndale high school. And, um, and then my dad took it. My dad took a new job, my senior year of high school. My dad took a new job in Monroe, Louisiana. And that's where we heard and found out about back then it was Northeast Louisiana University, which is now University of Louisiana Monroe. And I always I always wanted to be close to home and, you know, place play where my my folks could come and and watch me play. folks could come and, and watch me play. So I ended up, I ended up all the way in Monroe,

Louisiana from Washington state, uh, cross country, played my college football down, uh, down there in Louisiana, Monroe, and, um, met my wife there in school. And, and, uh, so that's, that's kind of home for us, but, um, yeah, it was, it was a journey, you know, playing my high school, you know, football up in the state of Washington and then, and then cross country into, uh, into Louisiana. Yeah. Fun row as, uh, that's right. What's like to call it. Uh, that's right. Did you have pack back then, you know, we're talking pack 10 offers. Yeah. Did you have offers out there? Like what was it? No, I didn't have any offers. I, you, I grew up a Husky fan, you know, a University of Washington fan. And, you know, I always wanted to go there. And they offered me a walk-on, you know, a preferred walk-on back in the day.

But, yeah, no, I was going to have to be a walk-on, you know, in one of the Pac-12 or Pac-12 now, Pac-10 schools then. But Northeast gave me an offer, a scholarship offer. University of Idaho gave me a scholarship offer and decided to play close to home, which would have been Monroe, Louisiana. Now, was there ever a time like, all right, you're playing, and I don't know what your size was, but you were big then. Did it take you a little longer to fill out? I was right around 6'1", about 18 185 188 pounds coming out coming out of high school i was a

little bit smaller you know i was tall and skinny you know growing up um yeah i was i was you know in that 185 to 187 188 range about 6 1 coming out of high school yeah okay then how big were you when you were done because did you know you were getting drafted? Like were people starting to say, Hey, actually, you know, you're putting up numbers here. Like this is real. You're going to get drafted. Yeah. I got into, got into college and that's, you know, of course, I started to grow just a little bit and, and, um, you know,

never really had, I mean, I was in the draft, you know, you remember the draft back in 1991, there were like 14 rounds or some crazy thing. It was only two it was saturday and sunday the draft lasted forever um but i was i was at that time i was about six i'd grown a little bit coming out you know six two six two and a half maybe around 195 coming out of coming out of college at the time and then by the time i finished playing i was I was growing a little bit more during my time. I was about 6'3", about 225 when I was done playing in the NFL. It was a length of time. It was about 14 years playing in the NFL, but I went undrafted. I was an undrafted free agent to the Miami Dolphins.

And kind of a funny story how I kind of got into the league. Jerry Stripling was a scout for the Dolphins back in the 90s. And he also worked at Northeast Louisiana University prior to me coming there. And so he was a little bit instrumental in getting me to Northeast, Louisiana Monroe. And then he left to become a scout with the Dolphins. So he kind of followed my career. And as soon as the draft was over that weekend, back in 1991, he was the first one to call me and says, hey, we want you to come down and be a, you know, basically a walk-on, you know, again, and, you know, be a free agent and get into camp. So he was very instrumental in kind of following my career and got my foot in the door.

Then the coaching career, you know, goes while, you know, becoming an offensive coordinator that people are paying attention to before you get the Eagles gig. How different is that? Like, you can be prepped, you can have a plan, you can say, hey, I'm going to do it this way. And it's not like you're being critical of the head coach that you're an assistant to, but you're probably figuring out, hey, I'd do this, I wouldn't do this.

How different is it when it's real, when you're actually the guy in charge? You know, I was blessed, obviously, through my career to be around some great minds in football. And, you know, I was in Miami with Don Shula and Gary Stevens was the offensive coordinator down there. Then I get to go to Green Bay with Mike Holmgren. And, you know, and of course that's where Andy Reid coached me as a quarterback coach there.

And then I left to become a player, a quarterback with Andy, you know, in 1999 when he went to the Eagles. And, you know, and just when he went to the Eagles and, you know, and, and just being a quarterback and being in those rooms and being around coordinators, you, you, you kind of think a different way and, you know, you're, you're, you're understanding football a little bit differently than, than, than say the running back or the receiver, right. They're, they're paying attention to their position, but, and then I get an opportunity

to coach. And I think all of those experiences kind of just added up for me. And, you know, my, my coaching experience in the NFL was, was always around coach Reed. He hired me in Philadelphia when he was still there for four years. And then, you know, in Kansas city for three years, when he first went there in 2013 and became the offensive coordinator there. But you're constantly making mental notes. You're writing things down in journals. If given an opportunity, it's not like you're going against, but you're just formulating your thoughts and ideas. And

if ever given an opportunity to become a head coach, this is how I would do things. And you just kind of, you just kind of put those things down on paper and, and you never know when that opportunity is going to come. And for me, it was obviously in, in 2016 with the Eagles and you take a lot of what you learned over the course of your NFL career and, and you put all that into place and, and, you know, but you still have to evolve and change. I think that's the, uh, the one thing where, where coaches today have to really, uh, be in tune to, to what's going on because, you know, you might have all these great ideas that you want to implement, but you know, it may not be right for the time.

So, um, you gotta learn to adapt, but I learned a lot of that stuff through, you know, my playing days with, with, with guys like, you guys like Andy Reid and Mike Holmgren, Don Shula. Those are those great coaches that I've had a chance to work under. Yeah, 16, you get the gig with the Eagles, 7-9. And then 2017, you win the Super Bowl. And it's a crazy year for a bunch of different reasons. Because I imagine a big part of you coming in is hey we've got carson wentz we need to figure this out and he's on track for being in the i mean he was in the mvp conversation

he's having this great season and then full steps in you win the super bowl i mean it's it's an unbelievable year um i have a wentz theory i may hold off on sharing with you because i understand i'm just a guy watching tv um i'll share it with you now. When I would work at ESPN, and I'm surrounded by all these guys that play in the league, and specifically the quarterbacks, and they would watch Carson, and I kept noticing he would have throws physically they were just awed by.

There were just things that Carson could do. As big as everybody's arm is and all these things, they'd be like, that throw right there, I don't know who, maybe Rogers, you know what I mean? Like my home is because the arm talent, but like that throw there.

And that, that at times would maybe blind them to again, 17, he was clean. Some of the colossal mistakes that we'll see from him at times. So my theory has been that I, I feel like he's so incredibly talented that you would always figure the maturity and the decision-making would evolve.

And he's been better this year, but there's still those colossal mistakes. That's just always been my approach to talking about him in that I almost had to recalibrate my expectations for him because it felt like the physical part of it was blinding so many people to who he was as a quarterback. Well, I think there's some, you know, you make a lot of sense with what you're saying. And those are the things that I think make great quarterbacks great. The ability to go off schedule. Like you said, they've got the great arm talent. They can move.

They can make those off-schedule throws that you see from an Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes now. And Carson can obviously make those throws. And that's what really, even when you go back to watching his college tape, those are the things that jump out at you. And I'll tell you something, in 2017, I mean, he was having an MVP, probably would have been the MVP of the league if he doesn't tear his knee in L.A. that weekend. But, you know, I think he had like 33 touchdowns and seven interceptions, and he was really on fire and doing things well. And again, I think there's something to these young quarterbacks today that come out that that that sometimes feel like they can they can do everything and um it gets them it gets them

in trouble you're seeing a little bit maybe with Patrick Mahomes this year that you know the turnover ratio is kind of creeping up just a little bit and some of those throws just aren't there I played with a hall of famer and Brett Favre in Green Bay. And you talk about a guy that can sling the ball all over the place and make these unbelievable plays. But eventually in the NFL, things begin to catch up with you and those types of plays, we just, they just weren't coming anymore.

And, and the ball was being incomplete or being turned over and, you know, and stuff like that. And you'd have to learn to adjust to the game this little bit. And, and, and so, you know, that's where, that's where I think, you know, as you mentioned, you talk about maturity with these quarterbacks and learning the game of

football, you never want, listen, you never want to take, and this is what I kept telling, you know, our folks, the media in Philadelphia, you never want to take the aggressiveness away from anybody, you know, and because that's what makes them great. And sometimes you're going to have to go through some sort of growing pains with some of these young guys until you get them to where, you know, you want them to be. And I constantly talk about quarterbacks and evolving over time, and it does take time for them to kind of of settle in and look you know i mean tom

brady's in his 40s now and he's just like a well-oiled machine you know and and stuff like that and then peyton mannings and drew breezes and guys that have those long careers but they evolved to that and and i think that's where these young quarterbacks are going you know it just takes time and you got to be patient with them but listen he made some great plays for us in philly and and he's going to continue to to make plays in indianapolis now but again it's just it's an evolution of the quarterback position that and it's changing every year i mean these guys are getting more talented more athletic uh you know offenses are changing just a little bit you're're seeing more of the RPO game, the play-action game, using their strengths, you know, to help these teams win.

And I think that's the direction in which the quarterback position is going. I ask, you know, coaches and players, like, on the path of a great season, like you had in 17, when you kind of knew. And from what I had heard, it was you beat the Rams out in L.A., you go to 11-2, and it's like, all right, you've had a great record. But then you have to factor in the locker room of this is a really nice win. Wait, Wentz just blew out his ACL. What was that like?

That was one of those bittersweet moments, especially for me as the head coach because I'm going in there. I want to be happy for the team. I want to be happy that we just were 11-2. We just won the NFC East. You know, we've got at least we're in the postseason. You know, we've got a home playoff game. You know, we were still trying to play for home field advantage.

We were trying to be the number one seeded team that year in the NFC and still had three games, you know, three games to go. So, you know, for me, it was that bittersweet moment. Like how, how do we, you know, how do I continue to this progression? How do we get better next week? How, how is the team going to respond when, when you're starting quarterback who is having an mvp season is no longer out there and this is where i really felt the veteran leadership of the football team that year um really stepped up and said you know what it doesn't it doesn't matter it's next man up mentality and um we know we like thing is that year we lost Jason Peters.

We lost Chris Maragos. We lost Jordan Hicks. We lost Carson Wentz. We lost Darren Sproles. All to season-ending injuries. And those were five key, valuable players for us that season. And it was, you know, Halapulivati Vaitai stepped in at left tackle, big V, and played and started in the Super Bowl.

It was like his rookie season. And, you know, so we had some young guys that had to come and step up. And, you know, Nick Foles was one of those guys that stepped in. But the team, the veterans, really embraced that moment and said, you know what, Coach, we're just going to keep riding this momentum. We're going to get this thing done. And I really feel like that was kind of our turning point, as you said, you know, for that season. that, Coach, we're just going to keep riding this momentum. We're going to get this thing done. I really feel like that was kind of our turning point, as you said, for that season. Did you in the preparation against New England,

it's a different conference, it's the Patriots' resume. I mean, we all get it, 20 years of this stuff, the awe factor of what they've been able to put together. But when you were prepping, and I know the rooms are a little different here, but did you have to kind of convince them, like, hey, this New England team's actually been pretty bad on defense this year? I mean, statistically, you may play nice in this whole thing,

but of the groups of Patriots teams they've had, they've put together, had runs, statistically, they were near the bottom. Was there film prep where you were watching stuff going hey we're scoring points we you know we don't know if we're going to slow down brady but we're going to score some points today yeah you know the one thing with the patriots and this is this is what i've always had great respect and admiration for you know bill belichick and his defenses up there is that they they change week to week and you know they're they're going to, they're going to target your top one or two offensive weapons.

And they're really going to, they're really going to take that strength away from, you know, from you as an offense. And honestly, what you see on defense, you know, you, you have to go back and watch their entire body of work. You can't just watch like their last three games or four games because they're going to come out and show you something completely different. And, um, that's, that's where, that's where you have to be a little creative on offense. You have to kind of know the structure of who they are. Um, you know, two weeks is a, is a long time to, to prepare for them. I mean, they had two weeks to prepare for us too. And obviously it was one of the, you know,

highest passing offensive games, I think, in Super Bowl history between the two teams. But, you know, I just knew kind of going in that too, we had to, you know, we were going to have to score every time we got to football almost, you know. But looking at them defensively, there know, and, and, um, but, but looking at them defensively, there were, there were some things that, that we felt like, you know, that we were just from game planning that we were going to have to do, you know, in the run game and

protection. Um, they like to rush five guys a lot. They like that ton of man coverage, a lot of combo stuff, take Zach Ertz out of the game in the red zone, maybe target Alshon Jeffrey or Torrey Smith, one of those guys in the red zone. Those are all things that you don't know until you really get to the football game on how they're going to game plan you. But they've always had good defenses.

They're a bend-but-don't-break type defense. Obviously, offensively with Tom Brady, they were going to score. And that was just kind of the game plan going in. Is it true you guys ran fake plays during walkthroughs because you were worried? I know I've read it. We ran the Philly special and some of the other plays that we had yeah in the hotel i didn't i didn't run them uh at the university of minnesota where we practiced for the week um we we practiced them in philly obviously in our own in our own little right but the point

here is there was there was a concern that you don't want to run any of the real stuff i didn't want to run any of the real stuff at the University of Minnesota. I was not going to do that. So we did all that stuff in the hotel. We're guys like, what the hell are we, why are we running this? Yeah. And the thing is we, we ran it and we really hit, you know, you're in a hotel ballroom and you have no room to run any kind of play whatsoever, you know, and you're just walking through everything. And just so the guys had an understanding and just kind of, you know, you couldn't time anything up, but you can still walk through the play. It's crazy. All right. So Philly coaches, coaches get

paranoid. Okay. Yeah. But you know, I mean, I've read, I've heard about it. I'd read about it, but so you ran Philly special in the ballroom. We did. And did you say, hey, we're doing this at some point? I never really told the team that we were going to do it. I told Frank Reich that if we ever get the opportunity, yeah, we're going to run this play. But I never – one, I never thought we were going to do it on a fourth down. And it was fourth and like a yard and a half. And two, I didn't think we were going to run it at the one yard line or

the two yard line i thought this play was going to be more you know out in the field maybe on a third and one a short yardage situation maybe a red zone play inside the 10 but never never a fourth and goal at the one and a half um did i really ever in my mind think that we were going to run that play at that time that's why it made so much sense for me when Nick, you know, y'all hear that voice, that, that, that, that soundbite where Nick Foles comes over after during the timeout and he goes, you know, how about Philly Philly? And that's when it kind of, you see me kind of raise up and pause and like,

Oh yeah, this, this is, this is a perfect time to run that play. Even though in my mind I was thinking, you know, leading up to the game that I wasn't going perfect time to run that play. Even though in my mind, I was thinking, leading up to the game that I wasn't going to run it in that situation. Yeah. I mean, obviously we blew results space, but basing time distance and kind of where the game was going, it was perfect. And yeah, I've seen the NFL films clip of it. I'll start with an example here.

As somebody that's hosted a lot of shows and we look at ratings and that's how we get judged. If I had a show that was doing pretty well, and then a guy filled in for two months and the ratings went up, I'd be like, Oh, I'm so happy for you. That's amazing. So everybody can be a team guy, but how much do you think Nick went in that super bowl messed up Carson? You know, that's a great question. And I, I really, honestly, I can't answer that question because, up Carson? You know, that's a great question. And I really, honestly, I can't answer that question because I'm not Carson, you know, at that time. I just know I saw Carson's reaction after the game. He was thrilled to death, obviously. And he was excited

for the next season. He was ready. He was ready to go for 2018 and getting healthy. And he wanted to do it again. And that's, you know, Carson kept saying, he kept telling our owner, Jeffrey Lurie and like, you know, me and Howie Roseman, like, you know, this is why we, this is why I'm here, you know, is to help help win championships and stuff. And, you know, he was, he was fired up and then, and then the city of Philadelphia, I mean, you know, they went crazy back, back, back in Philly, you know, with the parade and, you know, and all of that. And, and, and honestly, I, I,

I would probably say that it, it had to affect them a little bit, you know, you know, they shoot, they put a stinking, you know, statue of Nick and I up at the stadium and, you know, and, and stuff like that. And, and, you know, and I just don't think you cannot think about it. That's got to go through your mind just a little bit. It's the pressure that you don't ever want to put on anybody, obviously. Carson was the type of player, he's so confident in himself

and his ability that he really wasn't going to let that affect him. Yeah, I think it'd be weird if it didn't bother you a little bit. And I'll never forget, I'm more of a New England guy, so I used to care about the Patriots a lot. And when they won that first Super Bowl, and I remember Tom slapping Drew's shoulder pads after they beat the Rams, and Tom is losing his mind. And Drew is like, oh, yeah this is great yeah yeah great job tom yeah and i don't and i don't think that's anything other than you know guys being competitive there's a line where you can be a detriment to everything and so um you know i just always wanted to ask you about that because yeah you know and i think too you know we played we played the patriots in super

bowl 31 green bay green bay new eng England with Drew Bledsoe. He was the quarterback. That was the 96 one? That was the 96, 96 season. Yeah, right. Yeah, Reggie White. Yeah, that was gross. I remember that one.

Yeah, you remember that down in New Orleans. And, you know, so, you know, Drew had taken a team there and, you know, he led a team. taking a team there and you know he led a team and um you know so it might have been a little different for him even though he didn't win the game it's still it's got to be a little bit crazy even for him to think about here comes this young guy in the game wins the game you know and oh he's you know obviously he probably had to affect him the same yeah um let's let's fast forward to a not so great year then in 2020. Yeah. Your last year with the Eagles. None of us can make sense.

I don't know how honest you can be with me because the old rule is the way you leave is your first interview for the next place. But I don't know. A lot of us from the outside felt like it had to have been a coordinated deal with the front office for everybody to decide. Like that week 17 game against Washington, Nate Sudfeld's in after Hertz is out. You get destroyed on social media. Giants players are super mad. I didn't really think they had much of an argument. It's like, hey, you guys could have won more games.

And by the fact that it was in its own slot made it that much worse. And then it felt like everyone was on the same page. People thought you were keeping your job, and then you don't have your job a week later. So what happened? Yeah. I mean, first of all, the NFC East was a mess that whole season, you know, and, and all the teams were really, you know, um, fighting and scratching and just, I mean, it came down to the end of the season there, obviously to, you know, uh, for, for somebody to win, we, we even two

weeks to go in a year, three weeks to go in a season, we had a chance that we just win like maybe two of our last three or win three of our last three you know we have a chance to win the nfc east and you know at like a seven and nine record you know and and um it's just it was a mess it was a mess and and you know injuries began to pile up on our team again uh in in in 2020. You know, obviously it was a pandemic year, some things there. But, you know, it just – it was almost a perfect storm, I guess, for us at the time. And, you know, there's really no one to blame or, you know, one person or no front office.

It was everybody. I mean, we all had a hand in it and where we were. And I could have done a better job, obviously, you know, coaching and leading the football team and whatnot. And, you know, it just wasn't meant to be, I guess, you know. And these are things, and I've said this before, too, like, you know, what's happened has happened. I don't ever go back and try to dwell on it and think about it because I am pushing forward and I'm looking forward to my next opportunity. And, you know, I feel like I still have some good years left and still want to do that. And that's where I'm at. And it's definitely a learning experience for me. The whole five years, you know, in Philly have been a learning experience. And I know, you know,

we won a Super Bowl. I know what it feels like to put a team together and make that type of run and, you know, win the three games that we had to win in the postseason and win the Super Bowl. And I know what that feels like. I know what it feels like as a player, obviously now as a coach. And that's what I'm focused on, you know, moving forward. Yeah. I don't know if I'm as focused on it because I kind of, I guess I just am like, there's no way you just were like, hey, I'm just doing this on my own, which is what you had to say. But I think I'm, I think I don't know how much less of an answer I'm going to get if

I keep pushing on it. You won't get much more. So what does that mean for you now? Because with the resume, you turn it around, you get a young quarterback, you get the best season we've ever seen from Carson. Everybody's trying to figure out how to pair up the next great offensive line with the next young quarterback. You've got the Super Bowl.

It's got to be only a matter of time, Doug, right before you're coaching again somewhere, correct? I hope so. That's my plan plan and that's what I'm focused on in 2022 coming up. Listen, it's not about one guy. I've said this a bunch, even when I was in Philly, it's not about one guy. It takes a collaborative effort. It takes three great coordinators, the head coach and GM on the same page, getting the right players

in there, you know, building a roster, building a Superbowl roster like we did in 2017 and, and what that looks like. And, you know, whether you have a young quarterback or a veteran quarterback to work with, just, just getting that, that, that person on the same page with, with what you're bringing in. And, you know, the other thing too is there's a lot of different offenses out there and a lot of different styles. And, you know, we won a Superbowl in green Bay with the West coast, you know, system. And then we won a Superbowl in Philadelphia with a little more of a RPO play action game and, you know, and there's all different ways to do it. And that's,

that's the beauty of our sport is it's constantly evolving. It's constantly evolving. It's constantly changing. And I want to be able to bring that to a team that gives me an opportunity and be able to lead young men and get them to buy in. That's the one thing I really appreciated about, I think, my time there in Philly, especially during 2020. During that last season, those players never gave up on the season. They never gave up on me as the head coach.

They kept buying in. They kept practicing hard every single week. And that's a credit to them still fighting and scratching and trying to get it done. And that's my hope moving forward, giving another opportunity. All right. Last thing here. I was, I was asked to ask you this by Chris Long. Did you,

did you make him play week 17 against Dallas that year when it was zero degrees, when all, everybody else got to rest and you made him go out there and he was like, I was tacking Ezekiel Elliott, zero degrees, the only guy in the defensive line rotation or the regul go out there and he was like, I was tacking Ezekiel Elliott zero degrees, the only guy in the defensive line rotation of the regulars out there. Is it because he would cut everybody for ice cream Saturdays? Was that punishment for,

because I know you were a big ice cream guy, correct? I was a big ice cream guy. Saturday night, I had to have my Haagen-Dazs ice cream every Saturday. And so he said that he would line up, like he would get ready to leave the room so that he could get it first. And there's a theory there that you kept him out there to tackle guys

for 70 snaps. Yeah, because he kept running out of my team meetings on Saturday night. He kept darting out. As soon as we were done, he was gone. He was bolted. So his punishment that season or that week was to play week 17. Did anybody go, hey, how come?

Because, I mean. He didn't play. I don't think he played the whole game. I mean, my gosh, he probably played the first quarter, and then he pulled him out. All the other guys that started that game. That's not what he said. We're going to have to go back and look at the snap count.

It'll be interesting, though, because I don't know who to believe now. I don't know. Maybe I was led astray on this one. Yeah, yeah you know chris you probably led astray just a touch hey i really appreciate the time dog and look forward to what's next for you all right so thanks hey i appreciate it ryan thanks thanks again thanks for having me before we get to life advice life advice rvicerr at gmail.com. I was watching, I was on the elliptical,

not a huge cardio guy, obviously, but. Whoa. Yeah. Well, no, no, I do it to get warmed up.

Sometimes I'll decide, Hey, we're just going to stay on this. It's going to punish yourself for a little while. I'm like, all right, cool. That was me talking out loud about how I talk to myself when I'm on it.

And then I noticed the morning shows again. I don't watch any of these shows. I don't think I'm the target audience that they're looking for. And I think we have brought this up again, but I just, I cannot tell you how convinced I am that that would be,

of all the stuff that's available to somebody that does what I do, and not that I'm available to a national morning show. I'm never going to be on those shows. I don't want to be on those shows. I would suck at it so bad. I would be the worst. I just don't know how you have somebody come in who writes a book that you're not interested in and you talk about how interested

it is. I don't know how you do it. I guess the money is really good because the money is insane. If you become a franchise on one of those shows, the money is absolutely through the roof. I've told the story before, Josh Elliott. I was like, why do you want to be on those shows? And then he told me how much money everybody made. And I was like, oh, okay. And then his car service picked us up and brought us to a restaurant. And I was like, all right, well, okay. I get this part of it. But I mean, you know me, and obviously Kyle worked with you for a while now. I just, as much as I'm somebody who's done this media stuff for like 20 years, I never once lied to myself and looked at that and said, ah,

maybe you could pivot to that. And then I've, I've certainly taken on that personality too. It would be the worst. It would be more, one of the worst like fits of anybody that's in an industry. If that makes any sense. I think actually it would be funny though,

um, to do, it would be like counter-programming for people like us who don't watch morning television because of that reason but to put somebody like you on there to be like oh yeah ryan's gonna like you know fight back on the bullshit but if you're doing true today show like hey here's somebody has a new pottery collection at target and you have to interview them about it like there's a good chance that that interview is not going to go great for you that was a great example yeah and be like so what's going on here so the bowls

oh these are what is it re-harvesting materials but yeah yeah interesting i mean you are a big restoration hardware guy so like i i guess you can't really rule anything out but you know true but i don't know like i think uh it would be it would be good to do a week like i remember talking about this during um like remember when like and Mike were trying to figure out what was next, right? And you'd always keep around like, hey, how would you do on a morning show? On a morning show like that, where you kind of have to be more generic. You're probably not watching as many games.

And I always thought you would be miserable. You would hate your life because you wouldn't be able to do the show you wanted to do. You'd have to... Everything would be like skim surface, bare minimum stuff. And you'd be miserable. Even if you were making great money, you would complain every day. And I don't think it would be like skim surface bare minimum stuff and you'd be miserable even if you were making great money you would complain every day and i don't think it would be worth it complain every day uh there there'd be a number of sports morning show that i i would have made it work but yeah not watching games and you know anybody that's ever done those morning shifts like

what time would you go in when you were on mike and mike oh like i would i would wake up at three and i'd probably get in at like 4 15 4 30 depending on if it was a good day or not yeah yeah when i did the morning show when i did the morning show i in boston i was i was up at 3 30 usually you know there four ish 4 15 i mean because that was That was me actually being freaked out that I wouldn't be able to prep, but I would go to bed at 12.31, nap for a few hours, and then I'd work until 12. I'd work out and have lunch and then I'd go home and I'd sleep from

1 or 2 to 6. Every day was two days. I hated it. Especially being in in my twenties, it was the worst. Cause I just, you know,

when you're by yourself, like I remember sitting there going, if I'm going to do this, if I'm going to be a morning show guy, longterm, like I may have to get married. Cause I'm just afraid I'm not going to work. Like I was like,

maybe I just get married and stuff. Cause like, there's no way I'm ever. And then if I went out on friday i i just was like on fumes for that whole time and it was that was terrible and uh luckily that show only lasted three months because i i remember one time i had a panic attack at like six o'clock at night i woke up at six o'clock at night and whatever the sunlight was, wherever the moon and stars are positioned, I thought it was 6 a.m.

And I called the co-host freaking out, being like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'll be there. I'll be there in a second. I'm out the door. And he was like,

dude, what is wrong with you? It's six o'clock at night. I was like, oh, okay. No problem. I'm just scrolling through like the Today Show Twitter feed to see what the

top because I don't even know I'm with you it's not in my thing it's a lot of Adele a lot of Adele a lot of Taylor Swift those two so girl power you're probably out on that what else do we have there's a new Downton Abbey sequel

what about weather? you can see me doing weather Kyle? I could see me doing weather unless this? I could see me doing weather, unless this is all about you. Well, it can be about you, the weather guy, because now you've got my interest. Go for it. Well, so here's what I would say to you.

Is there something called Small Town News? I don't know if you're an HBO Max subscriber. I imagine you are. It's called KVPM Parump, and it's this guy who does an independent news station in Parump, Nevada. And it's absolutely fantastic. It's a documentary.

It's one season. But the weather guy is like the wife of somebody who has seven jobs. And he's the husband. That's what I mean. The weather guy is the husband of this lady who has like seven jobs. And he just, he shows up, he wears shorts every day and a suit top. And he's funny. He's actually funny in like a weird dad, embarrassing sort of way.

And I just think that you, he doesn't like care about all the, all the bullshit stories that run on the news. He's just trying to make the weather funny. And that's what I like. I think, I think anybody could be successful at that job imagine if just instead of like a put together guy or gal in the morning it's like a guy who's like a little bit stout he's funny he's got like a little it reminds you like hank schrader a little bit from uh breaking bad and he's just like just making the weather funny don't you think that would be a massive hit all right you gotta tweak it a bit um no i i think

you you touched on something though that you know because both whatever lane you know whether it's cnn or fox news like it's very clear these last five years you just both sides went all in on whatever their side was and i'm i'm surprised somebody hasn't just decided, like, we need to figure out a way to make something that can say, hey, there probably really wasn't much Russian interference in 2016, but

there also wasn't a stolen election in 2020. And they'd be like, no way. You guys, those are your positions on Twitter? Do you understand you're not allowed to actually say those things you know and so you know maybe like if you had in his canter on you wouldn't intro him as a great defender on the court and also off the court you know like depending on whatever whatever message you're trying to say i so anyway now i'm off of my own independent news channel startup

idea but i'm not that a million people haven't thought of this already but then you'd be held to the standard where the minute you sort of dipped left or right then everybody'd be like oh you're you guys you might as well just go all in on the other side of it uh well he gets in trouble with that like people try to put him in like a box even though i kind of feel like he is that guy and he was i thought he was a great interview on the show. I follow him now and he's awesome. But people want to put him in a box based on whatever thing he writes most recently. And, you know, I think he's mostly shooting it straight.

Yeah. But you know what? After we had him on and I love all of his stuff and I read it, there's a lot of people that I like that were like, nah, he's he's actually he's decided to be the call out guy to the left now. That's his thing. And they're convinced of it and i was kind of surprised how many people said that with taibbi that actually really liked taibbi they're like now he just decided to kind of actually pick a lane now and his lane is like the non-lane and i was like oh all right okay um getting back to cal's idea though really quickly yeah yeah back to cal back to cal because the weather thing blows my mind who still watches tv for the weather like I know there are a lot of I know there are a lot of

old people but like my parents have phones if I'm like hey what's the weather gonna be like next week it's a dying industry so but I guess it's not maybe it's not I don't know guys it's a big thing it's not for the weather it's the treat of the it's the treat of this guy or this girl like hey we like her you know what i mean and a lot of times i think the weather and the traffic people are like they're just kind of waiting for the next job to open up right they're like this is i'm on at 7 a.m to to 9 a.m you guys see me every day please give me a better job right isn't that what it is i don't know because in like i mean in connecticut at least like the local weather guys they've been there for years legends oh geez yeah get they get the doppler radar going whenever there's a big storm like it's their super bowl and that's

like their thing so i don't i don't know yeah the weather guy in harford he just shows up to the russian lady after an 11 o'clock hit leaves the cocktail waitress after 15 minutes and he goes up to her he's like you don't work here anymore and then they leave i don't know what's up the kcal nine the kcal nine people are like they'll be like the weekend somebody's just like i'm not coming in this weekend and they'll be like the weekend second person at the desk and it's like there you go i'm actually happy like you are you're now you're moving up to the the saturday five o'clock good for you all right first of all he decided they weren't coming in the weather thing is is huge. Local. It just is. And,

um, I don't know how it works now, but I almost took the local anchor gig in Burlington, Vermont when I was 26. So I interned there in 99 when I was 23. And then I was interning there while also managing a bar, which is a pretty, uh,

neat trick. And so I get done, I do the six and I do the 11, which is a pretty neat trick. And so I get done. I do the six and I do the 11, which again, I wasn't on air. I would tape beta, double tap, edits. So then they started letting me write scripts a little bit. And I thought I wanted to be an anchor. And after I worked with the anchors and I liked them all, they're all great to me. Don't get me wrong.

But I was like, maybe I don't want to do this because I'm a little more opinionated or whatever. I don't know. I just want to work in sports at that point me. Don't get me wrong. But I was like, maybe I don't want to do this because I'm a little more opinionated or whatever. I don't know. I just want to work in sports at that point because I don't think I had any other passions. And Kyle, to your point, the weather part locally, I have to imagine it's still the same. I imagine there's places in the country where weather is still like the most important thing. And I don't know if they've pivoted to high school coverage too with sports feeling like, okay, we're going to do national stories here.

We'll do our local Major League Baseball team or basketball, NFL, that whole deal we have to. But even the L.A. stuff here, they have some studio shows that probably do pretty well. There's probably more studio shows out here in L.A. than I realized that are Sports Central. But the local part of it, I think there's some people, guys, that just love their community, that love the idea of –

I don't think I would have lasted, and I can't fathom me being on air at 26 in Burlington where I went to college, but I wanted the gig, and then I thought I was going to get it, and then they were like, oh, they didn't even tell me that I didn't get it, and then I called and was like, hey, what's going on? They're like, oh, we gave it to somebody else who'd been on air before, and I was like, yeah, all right, well, well obviously i think that guy might still be there too it's a prestige job dude burlington vermont come on so you do you guys get that though that some people grow up and they actually just love their community so much that that's it for them like they're not constantly trying out kyle for the next weather gig they're just thrilled to be on in cincinnati

and and have a life there which actually in a weird way is probably it's probably a little happier because you just kind of go this is it and i'm okay with it instead of constantly going what's the next step which is what other people do i mean somebody's and it goes both ways the community too somebody's still sending pictures of their pets in and still shouting out their kids birthdays for fridays like somebody's taking the time to email that to the station so you know there should be somebody at the station who's taking the time to read it with purpose so i agree small town news hbo check it out are you trying to get a gig at that station perhaps is this no i just i just no i i'd really just want you to watch it because i think you'll just have some opinions i think it'll be great i know what it is i haven't watched it so i'm on oh god so good so rudy uh i i'm i'm with you on the community thing um but i don't think you are i think you know

i think you look at local news you're like what's wrong with you i do i do i mean i'm gonna i'll be honest like and then people are gonna be like you're a dick i don't know i just i don't care i wrote my first job out of college i was like a i was a i don't know associate producer for a local station in Connecticut. And it was, I was, I mean, nice people,

but it was most miserable job ever had because we're covering like cat Halloween parties. It's like local town elections. It's like, it's just stuff that like, I'm like, who cares about this stuff? Nobody cares.

And then the weather, I'm just like, I can just look at my phone. Why, why what's the need for this thing? But you're right. It's people want to feel part of the community. And I'm just, I guess maybe I'm not part of a community, right?

I'm on my own. I've done too much national stuff, too. I'm too big picture guy. Jesus Christ. You know what I think we just thought of here, though, is the Cerruti Ringer spinoff podcast called You're a Dick, where Cerruti tells you all these things that people like that he doesn't like. That he's not into he's just not into it oh that's dumb give me give me your three movies that people love that you think suck because they don't hold up just as a sampling

of you're a dick episode one titanic is always the one i'm like that movie's terrible um shawshank do you think no no i like shawshank okay come on i Shawshank? No, no, I like Shawshank. Come on, come on. I have taste, dude. Come on. Man, off the top of my head, it's always been that. What else is terrible? Oh, Fast and Furious. Every Fast and Furious movie's terrible. Period.

I like The Rock. I'm sure he's great. I'm not a big wrestling guy, but those movies are just... Who watches these movies? Come on. What are we doing? And I realize I probably alienated most of the Ringer staff right now

because there are probably many think pieces about Fast and Furious movies. But I'm sorry, guys. I just don't get it. Kyle, were you – That's good. That was like nine movies. You asked for three and you just took down the franchise. So I think you're above and beyond.

All right. Let's do some life advice. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari. 355 cabriolet what's up i have a ridiculous house in the south fork i have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids i am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required. Lifeadvisorr at gmail.com. All right. Pro athlete wedding. Ooh, exciting.

All right. Six, five, two, ten. Self-labeled is hot. I love it. Love the confidence here. My fiance's college roommate. All right. So his fiance, her roommate, is getting married to a professional athlete in the spring.

I've met him a few times, and he's a super nice down-to-earth guy. A ton of his teammates will be at the wedding, including one of his best friends, who is a dude all of us would want to party with. All right, so again, his fiance, roommate from college, marrying a pro athlete. He's got a ton of his teammates there, and I guess one of them is like an all time guy look I am more self aware than the 23 year old LA rich kid who thought he was going to be best friends with Mello that poor kid

can you actually send us a follow up email because sorry that everybody hated you on the podcast I'm in and out pivot I have a lot of interest in the Mello friendship path so please send us a follow up email because everybody emails about you guys constantly all the time and i hope you're undeterred with all the hate but all right so back to this uh more self-aware than those guys i understand

that i'm not going to develop a lifelong friendship with these guys but it would be an incredible experience to tear it up for a weekend with a bunch of famous athletes as each of you has spent extended time around athletes famous people in the past i could use your help on my approach what is my play here p.s kyle you're a legend love this one i'll start with kyle on this kyle how do you handle it when you're around one of those big time guys um well i'm not around those big time guys often and yeah you still are though a little bit john ham i'd be the same yeah like but that's like that's my story is john ham and then wald guggins that's that's my stories and i said it exactly i didn't forget anybody i didn't leave anybody out those

two so i guess i i would just play i guess how is he can you just run this by me one more time how is he he wants to hang out with them again I think he wants to be able to hit it off with them where they leave. Potentially wanted to be friends with this guy. Fuck. And that's that's a that's a tough one. How famous to how it sounds like one of these guys is a big time. He didn't put the name in. Some guys will put the name in.

So I know who it is, but then keep it private from everybody else. And I won't read it. He didn't put the name in there. I think the way he's setting it up is I don't know. Imagine if Brady's a bad example because brady's like a superhero you know i'm trying to think like backup quarterback level like no no taylor heineke no no he's saying that one of the friends of the boyfriend and all the teammates right that one of the guys from that team is a big big deal that's what he's insinuating here right so is he

is he like sharking this one guy or is he like literally anybody from the team I'd be happy with? Or is he like, I need the linebacker that's like a pro bowler to hang out with me? No, I think he's simply saying he's going to be with these guys and he wants to fit in

and he wants it to be cool. All right. Oh, this is so easy. All right. Yes, yes. Why the fuck am I taking so long? I have no idea what's happening in this podcast.

Oh my God. Yeah, go ahead. Oh man. I. Yes. Why the fuck am I taking so long? I have no idea what's happening to this podcast. Oh, my God. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, man. I mean, just roll with it. Right. I mean, don't be too eager and just like take it, take a temperature and then maybe have one more beer than you were hoping if they're that type of guy and then be like, hey, this guy's keeping up.

Right. And then I don't know, maybe bring a weed pen in case it seems like it's going down that road. And you're like, hey, look, I got a weed pen. I don't know. I just like what is up with today don't take don't take any pictures and don't take any videos that's the only thing look at all pretty good advice the weed pen was aggressive but you know be prepared so kyle to recap weed pen maybe a couple extra reeves and then i think your no picture thing is right on because I invited a buddy to a party that Sean

McVay was at and the second he showed up he went to McVay to get a pic and McVay was so nice that McVay was kind of like whatever and the guy hosting the party was super pissed immediately and I was like ah bad move all right so don't do the picture thing if this guy's that famous which is the kind of famous

where when people see him he constantly can see that people are seeing him all the time and he's been able to figure out. He's going to be able to tell in your eyes immediately what kind of hang you're going to be. So if you're really excited and you're sort of looking forward to this and you're going to make the intro and whatever, you have to

slow play. You have to be cool. You have to start practicing your eye contact moves as if you're almost detached, not with all of this anticipation. Because once he sees these super excited, anticipating eyes, he's going to be like, all right, this guy, whatever. You want to order a round? All right, order a round for some of the guys. Wedding? You're probably not paying for it anyway. Not a big deal. See if you can get into the conversation that avoids talking about sports.

and see if you can get into the conversation that avoids talking about sports. More often than not, guys always like to say, hey, you know what I liked about him is we don't always talk about sports all the time. We'll talk about what's going on with our families. We'll talk about some of these other things. I mean, I don't know how, if you're expecting to have like lifelong friendship with this guy, we'll get to that in a second. You could research a couple of things, but then this is like getting really weird here.

So I'm not sure. But hey, you know what i'm interested in is startups but in the the consumer direct consumer space subscription stuff because you know that he is all right so then i would try a little too hard um i but then there's then there's the way boggs of the world who only wanted to talk about hitting and only want to talk about sports the one time i hung out with him all he wanted to do was actually be recognized and talk baseball with everybody, which was actually incredible because he was so accommodating. He was so friendly. Everybody really liked him. He was really nice. He wasn't having a good time until people started talking with him about being Wade Boggs. So some guys don't want to be Wade Boggs. And then some guys are like, I just want to tell you that I'm Wade Boggs the entire time, right. That's the Wade Boggs approach to the whole thing. But I would make this a point.

You might be hot and 6'5 and 200 pounds, and your fiance is roommates with the girl getting married. So this is a wedding you're very, very close to. But I can tell you from experience and kind of floating in and out of some of these circles, I may be fun. I may be fun. I may be cool. And here I am in my own little life, successful. And I'm not a zero that comes to the group. But if these guys are all on the same team

and they've had memories and they've traveled and they've been in locker rooms and they know each other from colleges and different camps and all this shit, that is such a tight circle that you're actually not going to penetrate it. You're not. Because these guys, if they're all like tier one friends, all from the same team, they've

had these memories and these experiences together where they don't even need a new guy. All right. First of all, so that's working against you. And even if your joke timing is great, observational stuff, not too mean, but funny, a couple of good comments here or there. Get around. They get you around. You're putting your arms around.

Maybe you're even taking pictures, right? Maybe you're even at that level. There's still a very good chance that you are only an outsider to that group because you're not a pro athlete, even though you're hot at 6'5". You know what I mean? I can sit and hang with guys, but when I'm not somebody that went through the wars with these players and was in the clubhouse, was in the locker room, all these different things, there's just going to be a separation that I can't ever make up for. There's just going to be a little bit of a separation at this event. Now, long-term neighborhood, kids in school and all that kind of stuff, that's a completely different path and plan and chart.

We don't have time for that one today. different path and plan and chart. We don't have time for that one today. But for a wedding, the best thing is to find yourself being a side guy. Because if you try to out alpha a lot of these guys, it's weird because they're always the alphas. So if you're a big time alpha, you're going to have to beta it up a little bit. But don't have such high expectations that you're going to be getting a summer house with this guy on Monday. What was your origin story for your friendship with Chris Long? Because Chris, it's funny because Chris is, and obviously you're famous, so he knows that. So that's part of your in.

But he's also a guy who, he's the best looking girl at the dance. Chris has a ton of friends he everybody loves chris like he doesn't need new friends but you were able to penetrate and infiltrate sort of his inner circle how did you do that because i mean maybe people could take something from that advice that one was different though because actually he and van pelt were like um drive through bfs so if they were at an event together, Van Pelt would seriously be like, I'm going to go hang out with Chris Long. And I was like, what's the story with this guy? You're like, you have no idea.

He's the best. He's the best of the best, right? And then in the divorce, I got him somehow. Because I don't think Scott was as interested in maintaining the relationship once he had a family. And then I was asked to come down and host his water boys foundation thing so then i hung out with him and then all of his guys in seville for the night and that kind of

like was like oh rossillo's you know just like us and then um i did it again i hosted it and then it just i don't know i we just we're very alike in a lot of ways so i think that had more to do with it then i didn't work it in a certain way or he didn't research chris long before he met him that time no we we definitely we definitely like came to this conclusion that we see a lot of the things the same way and then he also wanted to get into podcasting so he'd be asking about that while he was still playing the funny thing is he played for the pats i didn't go visit him once i didn didn't go to a game. The only time I almost stopped by his house was when I was home for Christmas and ended up having to leave early. And I was on Christmas day driving through Southern

Mass. And I was like, hey, are you guys, this is weird. It's Christmas day. He's like, oh, you should have just stopped by. And I was like, yeah, whatever. Now the story is getting really long. But yeah, that was it. It was also weird for me to have a friend that much later. And I'll admit too, I think there was even a time where i thought i was on the outs with chris long where i was like maybe maybe this isn't maybe we peaked maybe we peaked and it's over now um but uh i think we're good now all right let's see here what else i don't know wife's you guys up for a wife swap one maybe we'll save that for a Friday. Thanks.

Yeah. I'd have to read up on wife swaps before. Hey, you know what, Kyle? There's your homework assignment. Read up on wife swaps and then let us know what you think on Friday. All right. And you're small town news and I'm wife swaps. Got it.

Okay. I know it's in here somewhere. We had a lot of people chiming in about the compulsive liar, which again, we appreciate some of that feedback. There's some really good stuff, but I don't think I'm going to share it. Was there a leaning sentiment left or right? Was it, yeah, it's funny or no, it's gross? A lot of people just kind of chimed in about

their own guy then somebody got really serious with it um and said uh you know it could be some traumatic thing that happened was younger and i was like you know what ah don't ruin life advice guy i know honestly i think we may have even touched on that though so all right this one just sucks i'm gonna just read this one because it sucks and it's stupid hey 6-1-1-70 big lifter in high school awesome uh bench 250 big lifter avoided the weight room oh wait 170 250 in high school that's a huge number good for you man um can't get 185 now avoided it since high school all right I'm sorry that I was disparaging when he said big lifter after saying 250, but when I realized it was 170 and in high school, did you put up one 250?

That's a big, big deal. You should tell more people about that. Make a shirt. All right. So my friends and I were at this bar this past weekend and I drink alcohol, but I always make up for it by ordering food. I would never be the guy at the table ordering nothing. So I usually order wings, mod sticks, et cetera.

We get to the bar and I order a plate of wings. The bar is not very crowded, but it's somewhat full. I went to the bartender who was cleaning glasses and I asked her for water. She rolls her eyes, gets a cup of water and says, the worst part about being a bartender is getting water for people like you. Now, usually the worst thing about being a bartender is jumping over the bar and trying to break up a fight and a guy putting a cigarette out in your arm.

I would suggest that's worse than pouring a water for somebody. Very taken aback. I say, say great i'll take my water now later my friend goes up to the bar and she snaps and says do you want to water too my friend confuses no i want a rum and coke much later than that third friend goes to the bar order a drink from the other bartender the first bartender rolls her eyes and explains careful it's probably just another water were you guys at dick's last resort and you didn't get it what the hell is going on here by the way do you guys know dick's last resort kyle definitely does you get you probably get a membership card no i just i like her water jokes throughout the night careful we got a water guy over here chris long and the water boys coming through for a meeting

imagine if she had said to the fourth guy you guys drilling wells or what? Wait, so you like her? Do you guys know what Dick's Last Resort is? No. I'm going to look it up. No, I think I've heard of it, but no. Right. All right. Is that a dangerous Google search?

No, no, no. It's a chain of... I don't even know how many there are anymore. But the point is that the people are rude to you on purpose. I don't even know how many there are anymore. But the point is that the people are rude to you on purpose. And my buddy Sully didn't know when he went to the one in Boston. And I think every one of us, 20-something deep, went to Dick's Last Resort. Maybe that one time.

That was about it. It was not a go-to. It wasn't like, hey, all right, we'll start at Dick's again. And then we'll make it over to Sauncey. No. So he was there. and he ordered two drinks and the guy like didn't put straws in. I don't even know. I'd want the straw or something. And he's like, he's like, Oh, look at this guy. He's got to sip it.

He's going to sip it with his straw, a couple straw, straw guy over here. And then he, my friend was like, what? And then he leaves the tip. He's like, oh, four bucks, four bucks. I might retire now. And my friend didn't know that's the whole deal. So he was like, hey, $4 is a good tip. Wait, none of his friends told him the deal?

None of his friends told him. He didn't know friends told him he didn't know so he's mad he's like fuck this guy he's like no this is bullshit he's like he doesn't give me any straws and then i guess the other time is if you would ask for straws they would take like 30 of them and put them in your drink at the same time and then like the liquor would spill out and like that was the routine i don't again i don't know if we have anybody in the pr can you look up dick's last resort what the nearest locations are maybe we'll do a field trip for it so i saw i saw a lot routine i don't again i don't know if we have anybody in the pr can you look up dick's last resort what the nearest locations are maybe we'll do a field trip for it so i saw i saw a lot of vegas i looked it up it seemed like a heavy in vegas heavy in vegas people just love going there

and getting bad service too in las vegas looks like there's only about a dozen total so i don't know if they've had a decline recently but i think it's just a tough business model i think it's especially if a lot of people don't get it you know some people don't know right so then another bartender pulled my friend aside was like hey it's it's kind of the point i think it's it's our deal anyway um so my point of this email was it would be hilarious if this guy didn't realize he was at a dick's last resort and sent an email in um so the guy says with this i've ordered water bars a thousand times in my life never had this reaction before we want to go back to this bar this is how i'm going to be treated for ordering water i'll find a different place is this normal how would you handle the order someone ordering water at the bar um look i'm not going to tell you i was the happiest

bartender at all times especially towards the end of the night but somebody doing this to you is an asshole i mean it's just this is a her problem. This is not a you problem. I would tell you most bartenders would not handle it this way. You know, I remember I worked at that dance club in Oak Bluffs, like on the really, really busy dance nights. The water thing would get a little out of hand

because people just didn't want to pay for drinks on Martha's Vineyard sometimes. And it would just be water, water, water. So we started putting out pitchers and then people got really mad. I think one bartender I do remember saying, hey, we have rusty pipes, which was a lie because he was just so mad. He was so mad about it. Because some of the dance crowd isn't really a drinking crowd.

I mean, sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't. And so we'd have some of these dance-specific nights where we knew it wasn't a very good shift because it wasn't a heavy drinking night. And the vineyard hours were so weird back then anyway, because you would open at 9, no one would get there until 10.30, and then last call

is 12.30, and they were strict about it. So it was like this two-hour window. And so some of the bartenders would get really mad about it. But back to the email, I mean, I'm just telling stories here left and right i'm not even sure how interesting any of them are anymore um this is this person's just an asshole to you you know so i would i mean if you want to go there again i mean i hate how often we're like hey just like i just order from somebody else just order from somebody else or you can even do this you know seriously most bartenders be like this guy's awesome. You'll be like, hey, look,

I don't drink, which is bullshit if you don't drink and then somebody's treating you poorly because you don't want to drink. That's just messed up to begin with. Go up to the other bartender and say, hey, look, we were in here. He's like, we just ordered waters. I don't drink. And here's five bucks. Throw it in the

tip jar. I'm going to order a couple of waters from each night. You shouldn't have to do any of those things by the way but the fact that you would do it any bartender who's like a good seasoned guy girl who's been doing it a long time is gonna be like you know what that was really really cool that's why i tip in an open bar even if there's no tipping totally at the beginning of anything i will always tip and knowing that it's cat like i'm not to pay for a drink the entire night. Go, hey, here's 20 bucks. I just want to make sure somebody's taking care of you,

whatever. And it is one of the best investments you can make at a wedding or any kind of function or any of that kind of stuff because now that person is looking out for you because nobody else is doing that kind of stuff. So when you do little stuff like that

with a bartender, it ends up paying. And in this case, you shouldn't have to do any of those things. Most people listen to this and say, fuck her, never go back there. Never go back there.

But if it's someplace that you actually kind of want to go and you don't want to be treated like that by her instead of even getting into it with her, make her look like the fool by doing something really cool to the other guy.

And it's going to cost you $5 and it's going to be worth way more than that. So. All right. Well, that's what I was going to say. Drop a 20 on the on on the bar at the end of the night and be like sorry for the major inconvenience be super sarcastic about to make her

feel bad about treating you like a dick that's what i would have done um wow but i didn't i also don't know so you're supposed to tip for waters is that is that a thing no no no no no you shouldn't you shouldn't because i was a couple weekends ago i was in boston and i was i was dd'ing i was driving home was the night my friend puked in my car. Good times. But I ordered a couple soda waters at the end of the night and I didn't know. I kind of felt weird. If you want to leave a buck or two, you could. But look, if you're pounding soda waters

all night and staring like a lurker in the corner and you're on soda water number 10 and you haven't left a dollar, you can expect that guys are doing shit to your soda waters now. There's a line like everything. There's no absolutes for almost everything. Like you can expect that guys are doing shit to your soda waters now. Cause like, that's, that's not, there's a line like everything, right? There's no absolutes for almost everything.

And you know, there's, there's a difference between end of the night. I want to, I want to water it out here a little bit, especially if you've been a customer with all your friends and all this. And the other thing too, the guy like clearly cares.

He ordered food. He feels bad about this whole thing. Your $20 thing to show her up. Most people probably go and screw her. I'll give her 20 bucks on top of everything else. Um, just to prove some sort of point. So you can make the $5 point in the beginning the next time you go ahead and do it. But yeah, I mean, there's, there's a number of waters and your behavior. And if you've never ordered a drink and you go to a place like we had a guys that would start doing that. Cause

they were older guys that would come to our dive that wanted to look at college girls all the time. And then you're like, okay, so you're, ale guy and you think you're gonna get free ginger ales to lurk like no like eventually those guys expose themselves and clearly that's not what you're doing we think no come on dude i was being responsible cd i know i know no you're very responsible guy i think we covered it today so i don't want to keep adding to this. This was a long, this was three guys chopping it up quite a bit today on a Monday. So we'll pivot. College football heavy on Wednesday and NBA stuff as well. And it looks like our good friend Tom Rinaldi, America's best friend, is going to join us on the show. I can't wait to talk to that guy. He makes you feel better just by saying his name out loud. Thanks to Kyle and Steve.

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