The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Celtics End Cavs' Streak, Maxey Calls Out Embiid, and Knecht Goes Off, the Indiana Take Reaction, Plus Super Bowl Champ Andrew Whitworth
Episode Date: November 20, 2024Russillo starts the show with Tales from the Couch and breaks down Boston spoiling Cleveland’s perfect start, LaMelo’s benching, Dalton Knecht’s hot hand, and Philly’s slow start (0:44). Then,... Ceruti joins to read tweets criticizing Ryen’s Indiana take (19:34) before Andrew Whitworth comes on to share the importance of veteran offensive linemen, whether it’s important for teams to like their QBs, and how teams can deal with bad matchups (32:12). Finally, Kyle and Ceruti join for Life Advice (60:03). How do I convince my husband he’s a loser for loving this podcast so much? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Andrew Whitworth Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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personalities and offensive linemen and what he made of Kansas City and all these
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Okay. A marquee matchup in the NBA last night, little tales from the couch for
you on a Wednesday.
A few things that I want to get to here.
And we're also going to follow up on college football disruption Monday topics.
So, uh, follow up a little bit on the video that made the rounds.
So here's the deal.
We've got Cleveland at Boston.
Uh, really excited about this one.
I think all of us were kind of like this big matchup with Cleveland getting off
to this 15 and O start 15 and O now is tied with the 93, 94 Rockets in the
48, 49 Washington Capitals.
Ask your dads about that one for the second best start to a season.
Of course, Golden State in 15, 16 started off 24 and 0.
I would suggest that's the best basketball I've ever seen from a team ever,
the beginning of that season for Golden State.
And we know what happened at the end.
It didn't work out.
All right.
A couple of notes here.
This set up great for Boston, schedule wise,
second game in six days, no travel since a game
at Brooklyn last Wednesday.
It's Cleveland's third game in five days.
So, you know, you could look at it that way.
And then also the health part of this,
Struce hasn't played at all,
which is something that's great for the Cavs,
looking forward to his return.
But then on top of that, no Laverne, no O'Coro,
and no Dean Wade, all rotational guys.
So you knew it was gonna set up pretty well here for Boston.
A little stat profile for you,
Cleveland number one offense,
number 11 defense, number one true shooting,
Boston number two offense, number 13 in defense,
and number three shooting team.
I've emphasized that stat maybe more than others.
Both kind of average to even Boston being below average on the rebounding numbers, which
would make sense, especially for Boston when you're shooting that many threes.
You're not going to be fighting for the boards, but I think one of the problems they've been
running into in some of these
lesser effort games are against the inferior opponents.
The defensive rebounding had really fallen off for the last five or so games,
but this game is kind of two parts really.
The first half a three point barrage from Boston, they're up 65, 48 at the half.
They were 14 at 22 versus four 14 from three for Cleveland.
So you're up 30 points in threes.
It's hard to beat anybody, but Cleveland is really good and we see a run.
And here is kind of the theme of what I want to talk about. And I promise I won't do this every single time I talk about Cleveland, but I
have brought this up before I look at the Mobley Allen minutes.
So it's 79, 63, 655 to go in the third quarter.
Niang comes in for Jared Allen.
If you look at the shot chart for Evan Mobley throughout this game,
in the first quarter, he had two shots,
because the play chart stuff for ESPN.com is wrong.
They showed us one attempt, but he had two.
In the first quarter at the rim, And that was when Alan was out.
He had three other shots.
Basically there was two threes and a long two, because when you watch, when
they're both in there together, and I saw this live, when I saw the game in New
Orleans, like Mobly's running to the corner on a bunch of possessions and it
completely limits whatever offensive version you want from him.
So in the second quarter, Mobley has a one field goal attempt at the rim.
It was that right block sweeping bank shot that was actually nasty.
And then in the third quarter, when they take Allen out at 529, um, no, excuse me, he was benched at 529.
So 655 in the third quarter, they're down 16.
There's six shots in the paint for Mobley.
You know, one of the things that's been really good about the Cavs this year is Kenny Atkinson
pushing pace and I'll never understand why every team doesn't do this.
Why you would just bring the ball up slow after a make or a miss, but especially off of a miss, push the ball, see what you have,
see if somebody gets lost in a cross match. Everybody's scrambling to match up with somebody
and then see if you take advantage, especially with somebody like Mobley when Allen's not in
there and he can run right to the rim. He's going to outrun every other big.
And you may get lucky. He got Drew pinned at the rim.
There was another weird play where Kada picked up the ball handler.
I know you kind of talked to stop ball.
So I don't even know that it was Kada's mistake essentially, but then
Peyton Pritchard ends up pinned against Mobley.
And it's because that space there exists for him.
Like when you see Allen and Mobley there, even if Mobley is like going to the paint
and Allen's kind of stuck and then he tries to space out, but nobody's going to guard him out there. And it's a continuation of, despite this
team being 15 and 0 and loving the profile and loving so many things about this Cavs team,
Kenny Atkins is telling us the same things that we've seen in the past that to get the
Mobley you need, and we saw in the playoffs,anted the Caz, all these guys were hurt and they had no chance against Boston.
But you have this moment in the third quarter
where, you know, Boston, I think missed eight and nine shots, Mobly's going off.
He's getting more opportunities.
And so then you fast forward to the fourth quarter.
It's 107-100, Mitchell's trying.
We'll get to Garland's numbers.
I mean, I love Garland.
He sucked last night, but they tried to do it again.
That's where I get the five 29 at five 29, one
Oh seven, 100 in the fourth quarter.
They bench Alan again, but Mowley doesn't even
take any shots.
So look, Garland was terrible.
He was three at 21.
Jaylen Brown wasn't great on the other side.
Mitchell tried to bring him back.
As I said, 35 points, but he needed 29 shots.
Cavs only played eight guys.
Side note, Ty Jerome, love it.
Just love seeing him play basketball regularly again.
There was a string of like eight possessions in this game
where both sides were just hunting.
And it was Peyton Pritchard to Sam Merrill.
It's like, here we go.
A little Hauser sprinkle in there as well.
I give Sam Merrill, friend of the pod, he's battling, like he's doing the right
things.
It's just certain moments there.
I think Jalen Brown got him pretty good one time and they're just, he was trying
against him, but he holds up.
I would even say like Donovan Mitchell's engagement level on perimeter defense
last night was terrific.
And I think you've seen that a lot because, you know, that's kind of the task Donovan Mitchell's engagement level on perimeter defense last night was terrific.
And I think you've seen that a lot because that's kind of the task of if you want to
break through because they are a really good team, you have to have that kind of commitment.
And I think you would say that on the other side, Boston with Missoula during this weird
malaise prior to this Cavs team, it was whatever. It's just that we get 82 of these are pretty good.
All these other teams that he's besides Cleveland all seem like they're bad
right now and there's no way the rest of these teams are all going to be this bad.
Um, but the other thing too, I think is worth pointing out is that there was
six possessions were Boston, hunted Garland, five of those six.
So look for that later in a game the next time they match up. So look, here's the thing. worth pointing out is that there was six possessions where Boston hunted Garland five of those six.
So look for that later in a game the next time they match up.
So look, here's the, here's the overall point.
There was no outcome of this game where I was going to all of a sudden
change how I felt about the East specifically Boston and everybody else.
Cleveland could have blown them out by 20, even with the schedule setting up,
even with the people out for the Cavs.
It's just, it's going to take a lot of work for me to be convinced, to pick another team, even with the 15 and 0 start here. But I do think the Alan Mobley thing is it, you know, I know some of you are probably
thinking, dude, they're 15 and 0 and you're doing this again.
Yeah, I am.
Cause I think teams would love to play five out.
You know, you can play four out in the playoffs.
Can you play three out in the playoffs?
And I know some of you will point to Mobley's 37 and 0.
I know you're thinking, dude, they're 15 and 0. They're going to be playing 15 and 0. Cause I think teams would love to play five out. You know, you can play four out in the playoffs.
Can you play three out in the playoffs?
And I know some of you will point to Mobly's 37% from three the last two years.
Well, cool with your 0.4 makes per game last year and your 0.7 makes.
No team's going to care.
There's going to be, okay, you hit a couple.
That's fine.
We're, we're not stressed. We're not stressed the way Jared Allen is stressed when he's going to be, okay, you hit a couple. That's fine. We're not stressed.
We're not stressed the way Jared Allen is stressed when he's trying to run around
and catch everybody.
And I think Mobley can do those things.
And Mobley was awesome when Allen was out against Boston.
And you could just see these plays where Mobley is the screener and there's no Allen in there.
Then Mobley will, he'll trail the ball handler.
And then he's so quick and so athletic and his hands are so good.
And he's a really good passer that Mobley can
work in a way where if he's not in that action,
he's sitting there watching it.
It's just, that's tough.
Like then that should be a shooter or that
should be Struz, but I'm not suggesting you're
benching Evan Mobley for Struz.
I think you guys all get the point.
So I think there's also part of this too, where you look at the lesson from the Tatum
Jaylen Brown pairing and going back to that year with EMEI where it was so bad in the
January and you're thinking, is this actually not going to work?
It was the first time I'd ever thought like, maybe it, maybe it won't work with these guys.
And then it worked and the patience has paid off.
And I think the lesson should always be, if you have special players, you don't want to
trade a second one for like three pieces.
Just to say, oh, you know, and that was prior to some of the other acquisitions,
obviously, Przingus and Drew and all that kind of stuff.
So when you look at the Cavs and you go,
well, what if they don't,
what if they make it to the Eastern Conference finals,
but it doesn't look like it's close?
I mean, who knows?
Who knows what's gonna happen?
I mean, a couple of teams are gonna have massive injuries
anyway, so at least Cleveland is in the conversation of,
if things were to break their way,
we see it all the time in the playoffs.
It's like, hey, just be healthy and be standing.
And they weren't last year, maybe they will this year.
So when I think about the patients that you have to have with talent on your
roster, but talent at times, it can seem redundant.
You know, is the lesson, the Boston lesson where the patients pays off,
but granted it's too forward.
So it's very different than two bigs.
Or you have the Minnesota approach where it was, they just bad.
We don't care.
They made it to the Western conference finals last year. Like we're going to break up the Scat team. bigs or you have the Minnesota approach where they just, man, we don't care.
They made it to the Western Conference finals last year.
Like we're going to break up this cat thing.
I also think pricing has something to do with that as well as you move forward
and look at the salary cap ledger.
So there you go.
That's, that's what I have on that.
There wasn't going to be a result.
If the calves had blown them out today, I wasn't going to start to show
me and like, oh, I think we need to rethink the hierarchy of the Eastern Conference.
Speaking of benching, LaMelo got benched last night for the last 348 Charlotte's loss at Brooklyn.
I know some of you never want to hear anything I have to say about LaMelo, but I will tell you
the games that I watch, I have the hardest time with him because he's so talented and his shot
making is absurd. And his start, stop, start again for a guy that size off the dribble is like whatever
percentile you can be in, he's in it.
And the passing is real and the size with his passing.
So I, I see an incredibly talented player, but yeah, you're right.
Like I can never get past like, okay, a ton of stats and the shots are going in and I
can't believe that one went in and the clutch numbers that he's had
as far as scoring this year, all these big moments. He said the Houston game where I watched that was
like, dude, he's the best player on the floor right now. So his ceiling is that he's capable
of all that yet I have these lingering doubts that I don't know that I'm ever going to get over where
yeah, sometimes with him, I'm just like, is he a, a really good stat, but kind of a
losing player kind of guy. And then when he gets benched last night, and this is why I pay attention
to all these substitution patterns, because I think there are so many hints out there when the
coaches are telling you, well, this is what we want to do. So when it happened and I was watching
the game, but I wasn't super locked into it. I went back and watched Lamello's fourth quarter.
Cause I was like, let me try to find what's
happening here.
Now, his shooting was terrible on the night.
He had two ISO no pass shots that were brutal.
And then in transition, he tried to go like one on two and make this layup.
Although I've seen him make that layup before, so I don't even blame him for the attempt.
And then he fouls somebody immediately and he takes him out at 348.
I was like, okay.
Cause remember, Borrego used to kind of like
sneaky bench Lemao from like six minutes till
two minutes left when he was there.
Then we'd ring him back in as if he wasn't
being benched, but he kind of was being benched.
And look, that has not been the case anymore
because he's arguably their most, most talented
player.
Yeah.
I think he is their most talented player and
the numbers are, are big time.
most talented player. Yeah, I think he is their most talented player and the numbers are big time. But the Hornets subbed in nine players. Excuse me, I should
say it this way. From 348 on there were nine substitutions. They were subbing, you
know, defense for offense, offense for defense. When they were down three with
like six seconds to go and they had the ball, they subbed in
two players down three and both were not lamella.
So I don't think it's about a bad shooting night.
I don't think it's about a mistake here.
I think there was a delay game earlier in the game because when you watch the fourth
quarter minutes, there wasn't anything that was so egregious.
Hell they weren't even Brooklyn wasn't even like they went watch for Don.
Okay.
And they were working smaller matchups.
They weren't even putting Lamello in the action defensively to try to expose him.
So it wasn't even that it was some defensive thing.
And almost all of those possessions of the fourth quarter on the, the ball
was on the other side of Lamello.
So it wasn't even anything like that.
And Hornets fans from what I can tell are a bit outraged that they would do this. I
would say this is alarming in the fact that they were like, no, we're good. That to me feels like
it's not about the Brooklyn game. It's about a wake-up call to the face of their franchise.
There's all sorts of stuff happening around the league. I need to do a bigger deep dive on Houston and some of the lineup stuff.
Like I did a big lineup net rating thing for the Cavs, the five man, the two man.
They're so good that I don't know that you can really see anything right now
with what those minutes are.
Maybe there is a number out there.
I want to look up a lot of this stuff, but they benched Javari Smith for the entire
email just benched him for a fourth quarter this week.
I was at this weekend.
It was Monday night and I think they brought him in technically like under a
minute on one possession, but that was like a real thing.
And then you're kind of watching guys being benched and how they're interacting.
Jabari was totally engaged in the game still, despite being benched.
And Houston's so deep.
I have nights where I'm like, are they better with Tari and Thompson
than they are green and Smith?
That seems ridiculous.
And I was so excited about Jalen Green during that stretch without Shangoon, where I thought
he really turned a corner, just awareness alone, not just scoring.
Um, but I don't know that I've seen enough of that this year, but again, they're just so deep
and they may have a big decision to make at some point, but there's going to have to be somebody
available worth all of the talent they have to do kind of a three for one for them.
But I noticed Jabari was totally engaged.
I did not see LaMelo super engaged and I don't blame her for being a little
pissed because when you're subbing in all of your teammates for all of these
possessions and you're not going back in the game, I don't think that's just
about the Brooklyn game.
I think it's about some of the other habits and the nights where I watch him
and I struggle because the good is so good with him, but I think the bad is kind
of harder to find and I don't know good is so good with him. But I think the bad is kind of harder to find.
And I don't know that everybody always sees it all the time.
Um, little love for the Lakers and we'll talk sixers here.
Dalton connect.
Are you aware of what he is doing?
He went for 37 last night.
He could not wait to get the ball in his hands and then immediately shoot it.
It was like a Steph level kind of.
Catch and release night, uh. 27 against New Orleans, he's 51% from three in November.
You've got 80s absurd overall numbers,
who's 31, 11 and three, 57 and 41% splits shooting
and he's taken three threes a game.
Dalton's played 30 plus minutes, three of his last four, and the Lakers have gone
from four and four to 10 and four.
Now you could hit me with the, Hey, it's the schedule, stupid.
And you would be right.
These are not great teams that they're beating.
But if this Dalton connect thing is real and me and LeBron both really liked them
before the draft, he was on it early.
It adds such a different element to like having this kind of spacing
that everyone is so desirous of having.
Like if you can, what if this is real and he's like all of a sudden,
cause he's an older rookie too, and he's super athletic.
He's not just some spot up shooter.
That was kind of the thing you start to fall in love with when you did
his draft tape of Tennessee, like dude, there's a lot here.
This guy's a sick competitor.
And so you think Reeves and I can't, again, I still can't believe we're
getting this version of LeBron, but that's great.
It makes me with the Dalton fact, like if this is real and granted he'll hit a
wall, he'll struggle, he's going to have a bad shooting month and he's just
going to happen.
But when you think about the five man lineup options they have now with another
really nasty shooter and my under play for the preseason overall, like the,
the over unders, my under was just a health bet with the Lakers that they
weren't going to be as lucky to have the health they had from AD and LeBron last
season.
If those two are that healthy, AD is this guy like MVP candidate Anthony Davis,
and you have Reece who's just better in JJ system.
And then you just like, oh, by the way,
Dalton connects now on this team.
It it makes me think about them a little bit
differently what they're capable of,
which I did not think I would do.
Last thing here,
cause I'm kind of going on here for a while.
Team meeting time. If you hate the Sixers,
watch the second half of the
Miami game from Monday.
Sixers are up I think 19 in that game,
and then it was a 7034 run by
Miami on the other side and
bead is played only three games.
They have not had George Maxine
and bead in the same game.
McCain has been incredible. Speaking of rookies for them, but Maxey's been out
the last six and Embiid was sick.
Apparently I hope he was sick on Monday because that was again, if you hate the
Sixers, watch that second half.
It's some of the worst basketball from a team that's supposed to be decent.
And now they're tied for the worst record
in the NBA with Washington.
And I guess the reports,
Choms had it first on ESPN.
There's been some follow-ups where Maxey called out
on Bede saying it starts with you big fella.
Quote, you're late to everything.
Apparently he and Maxey have a great relationship.
The more concerning thing I think for the Philadelphia 76ers
would be that this all made it out,
that the quotes made it out.
But there's no way they're this bad. Paul George's advanced numbers are brutal. Embiid looks terrible so far. We kind of expect it as he works himself back in his shape. But that was a half of
basketball against Miami in the second half of the team that did not want to be out there. And
McCain's like, I'll shoot it. So I don't know if any of it really means anything.
It's, it's salacious.
It's dramatic.
The record stinks right now.
Uh, I'm not taking any of it seriously until all the guys are actually playing
together and who knows with the East still be a four seat, how bad some of
these teams have been.
I didn't expect to be doing this on Monday for Wednesday follow.
We got Saruti here.
We're going to go through it.
So you heard from me on my thoughts on the Indiana schedule.
And look, if they beat Ohio State, I don't love that you're going to have to play one
team, but if they beat Ohio State, like they're in and I'd be fine with it.
We can also play the game of like, why are you guys getting worked up about this when
everything will figure itself out?
Have you paid attention to the industry and the industry is going to be paying attention like they're in and I'd be fine with it. We can also play the game of like, why are you guys getting worked up about this
when everything will figure itself out?
Have you paid attention to the industry and what we do?
Because I worked-
You're listening to a talk show right now.
Right, like if I had,
we'd have college football guests come in in like week three
and go, I don't even understand.
Be like, well, you know,
we kind of have to talk about something.
So normally I would talk about the rankings.
The rankings, I already talked about them before they came out. They basically played out pretty
much the way I thought they would, Saruti. But here's the thing, like this thing absolutely blew
up and it's all very tribal. And I'm admitting that I have preconceived biases about teams that
have been good in the past. Like my Texas point, I understand people hating it. I don't understand
how people took my Texas point and then got to Washington and Michigan. I was like, I don't think, I think that's actually kind of easy to understand the difference.
If a team has their coaching staff and NFL quarterback coming back and it's a really good roster that I'm just, I can't help myself and give that team the better for the doubt.
A lot of like, why even, why even play the games and just sim it?
It's like, well, I think that's kind of more what you're saying then, isn't it?
If you're saying just, isn't it?
If you're saying just 12 and oh, who cares how it happened.
But again, if Indiana is 12 and oh, that's a different conversation than being 11 and one.
Um, and I thought the guys on TV last night were pushing for like, Hey, if
Indiana keeps it within 10 or 14, does that mean that they're still in?
Well, it's in comparison to what, however, it got really nasty.
It gets nasty every year.
And basically what happens is, is that when you do this job, especially as long
as I've been doing it, it's just a cycle of like a fan base feeling like they're
now being targeted and I'm the bad guy.
When in reality, this is the only time you've ever cared about what I had to say
specific to your team, especially when we're talking about Indiana football.
So we'll see what happens this weekend, the offensive line stuff with Ohio
State's a mess, but you've already heard from me.
Um, I try to admit kind of how I see it.
And I, I certainly have not changed my mind, but you Indiana fans.
Let's hear from you.
Let's hear from you.
So we know, I don't know when we've ever really done it this way, sir.
So I guess we're just going to fire
off some opinions from social media
because this like spawned people were
doing like. Like people doing long
form on this like I saw it every and
it was kind of like an indirect like
people are saying and I was like,
well, I think we kind of know the
origin of where this is coming from. But go ahead. Yeah, I tried to find the first comment on Instagram for the post
on the ringer post was like, well, who did Tennessee beat then?
And it's like, well, Bama, pretty, pretty good win.
Not not not too bad.
But then I tried to find it this morning and maybe I don't know,
maybe I couldn't find it, but I think the guy deleted it.
So good on him.
I also don't think it's just all Indiana fans.
I think I think there's a lot of people that are just like annoyed at the SEC. Yeah, like call. Yeah, you're
right. It isn't just Indiana fans at all, but it's definitely people that hate the
SEC. Yeah. So no, I'm glad you said that because it wasn't just Indiana fans. And
look, I get it. I've been doing this a long time. Like I didn't do it to be like,
hey, I want to piss everybody off. I did it because I felt it. And I was like,
I'm going to share this because I don't know
that anybody's done the deep dive on like how imbalanced
these schedules are for teams within the same conference.
And then it just comes back to the expansion thing,
which I've already bitched about for too many years.
Yeah. I think all those teams too, that you mentioned,
I think would be favored over Indiana.
I'm not that that means everything.
But that's not what I, yeah.
No, I know, I'm just saying.
I'm not doing that argument because I hate that argument.
Because when I did college game day
They used to be like you should use the vegas rankings all the time
I'm like look I understand those guys are smarter than I am
But like oklahoma or usc could lose three games and then they're still going to be favored and
I can't I can't rank them ahead of some of these other teams. Yeah, um, but again, this is
Yeah, I i'm not defaulting to that. I
I don't know how you watch college football
and don't have some preconceived notion
of like who might be good and who might not be good.
We don't have a ton to go on, man.
Especially when the schedules are this messed up.
Go ahead.
Here's one, this is from Dan.
Said, disagree, Ryan, this is the truth.
Strength of schedule was created by the SEC elites.
And then he puts in a screenshot of,
I don't even know what it is,
it's no context of just somebody saying,
there's a 50% chance that any team wins any game.
I don't think it's 50-50.
I don't even know what that one means.
I don't know what happenings mean.
There's another one, Marcus goes,
college football is the only sport where the media
talking about the sport actively tries to kill Cinderella stories
It's fascinating
Yeah, I mean I can kind of see how he got there but yeah
This is what 11 verse this is a lazy take you just name some teams that sound good to call that strength of schedule
For the SEC teams, okay
Yeah, or that word you could look at the strength of schedule rankings, but that's all right another one CJ
Hey Ryan Rosillo, should we even play the games? We just use blue chip ratios in August to seed the playoff
I'll hang up and listen. I like that. I like the end. That's actually funny. Yeah, that's I mean, this is
This is kind of what it's been for two straight days. I mean, endless. It's still going today as if today is taping.
Here's a great one.
J Merck, the SEC sucks.
Stop pretending it's 2018 and Saban is still at Bama.
NIL has evened out the playing field.
Maybe it has.
That was Danny Kanell's big thing.
Well, the SEC sucks is aggressive.
I don't know that.
Yeah.
That one feels a little aggressive.
There are years where they could be overrated.
I've said this to everybody,
but if the Big Ten won multiple titles with multiple teams,
then guess what?
I would think that conference is the best conference.
I've never understood why this is so tough for everybody.
But again, no one ever wants to say like,
maybe my thing isn't as good as the other thing.
Nobody ever does that.
It's the guy at the gym scenario.
No one ever like the,
no one ever sees like the guy at the gym
with the girl that everybody's been looking at for months
and goes, you know what, good for him.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's better looking than me.
Happy for that guy.
Yeah, he's better looking than me
and probably just tighter game.
He earned it.
He earned it.
This is a good one.
Man, they're doing, this is from JBR Bracketology.
Man, they're doing to 2024 Indiana what they did to 2023 Florida State.
Indiana will be left out if they don't beat or lose to Ohio State by less than seven points.
I don't know that the Florida State thing is the same thing.
Florida State thing is way worse.
I would agree. There's a good one. Chris, hey, dumb fuck, check out Texas's schedule again.
It's just as bad.
Fair.
Totally fair.
Tough, but fair.
Yeah.
But I don't know why people would argue that I'm wrong by pointing out somebody else's schedule that also hasn't been great.
And by the way, Texas schedule is tougher.
There was a lot of like metric stuff,
like how come you didn't use this?
How can you use game control?
Game control is one of the dumbest fucking things ever.
And it's like, do you really wanna use
all the ESPN power ranking stuff?
You wanna know who's number one in FBI?
Do you wanna know who's number one in FBI?
Texas.
You wanna know who's been like number two all season,
even after the Vandy loss?
Bama. So I've been doing this. We can do it all day. If I really wanted to like, I already
know the chess moves.
Here's a good one. And then we've got one that we need to end with. But a guy just screen
shot at you a couple other people talking about it and said, Sanky picked up the phone.
I've talked to Sanky zero times. I think we've tried to get them on three times.
He won't come on.
If anything, I should be like, yeah, let's go Hoosiers.
All right.
Do we want to get to the best one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's get to the best one.
Dan Dockage, Dan Dockage, who is an interesting Twitter follower these days.
I like that.
I used to work with Dan back at ESPN and the Mike and Mike days.
Like he's a real wild card.
Yeah.
He was great.
I haven't talked to him.
Yeah.
I haven't talked to him forever, but he was always an enjoyable guy to be around,
but you know, it's definitely been a little aggressive as of late.
He, he quote tweeted the video of you and McShea talking about it.
It was the Vandal tweet and said, dudes that were never in a locker room or other than to take a
peek to get an autograph or to take a picture.
Okay.
Say, say that again.
Dudes that were never in a locker room, other than to take a peek, get an
autograph or take a picture.
Just to be clear, McShay played quarterback at Richmond. Let's start with the facts because we're about trying to get to the truth as hard as it can be
and misguided and sometimes it doesn't work and you get stuff wrong. But just to be factual,
to your point, McShay played quarterback in college at Richmond.
However, after they recruited him, they switched to the zone read.
They looked at him because his 40 times still going and they were like, you're
never playing in our new system.
So we're going to keep you on.
We're not going to kick you out and you can just advance scout for us.
And then people were like, this guy's like a savant.
And then he got a job with
Gary Horton and the rest is history.
I did do it to look at dicks.
Yeah. So he's half right.
When I first started in Boston,
I'd be in locker rooms and that was one of the benefits
because you'd get to look at other guys dicks. Yeah. And one of the, yeah, I mean
speaking of, right, so when I left, when I went to like national radio and
then it was just way less dicks and it's definitely a different job after that. So
he was, he's half right.
Nailed it. That checks out.
This is also the best one.
Somebody replied to him and said, huge lib too.
Cause it always has to come back to that.
Yeah, no, I mean, I don't even know.
I don't know what to do with any of that stuff anymore.
The assumptions about where my head's at. Yeah, no. They don't know what to do with any of that stuff anymore. The assumptions, uh, about, yeah, no,
they don't know what they, yeah, they don't know what to think to you.
I know you do to get a win though. Nate Robinson agree with you. He, uh,
replied the Nate Robinson, by the way, who he fought, did he fight?
Did he fight? He fights. Yeah, we didn't. Yeah.
We didn't like that outcome because that was back before we're like,
anybody realized that Jake had really been training and guys are like pro
athlete. Nate's going to,
you shouldn't even brought that up.
Cause we appreciate Nate reaching out to the show.
And now he's like, those guys brought up the fight because it didn't go great.
No, Nate dump contest champion, right?
Washington, you know, so he's, he's, he's watching big track and donkey
trekking down.
Exactly.
He did say I'm with buddy on this one referring to you.
So he's got your back.
Good for you.
Yeah.
Hey man, it happens every year.
There's always like one or two teams
that feels like they're being slighted.
And yeah, I just think 10 weeks in,
Danny Kanell has Indiana number two in the country
in his earned not given Danny Kanell rankings.
It's a great bet.
You gotta admit, I actually love it.
So Danny, Danny who pulled for Iowa, not because he loved Iowa.
He doesn't know anything about Waterloo. Nothing. He doesn't know.
And nothing about farming. Come on. Yeah.
He doesn't know that the American needs farmers. Planting a seed in his life.
Captain UCF, right? Mr. UCF wearing the hoodies,
may even gone to the fake parade they had. Love them.
He eliminated Bama from the playoffs last year.
Then they were in it and a play away from maybe playing for a national
championship and probably one of the most challenging years of Saban's career.
Eliminated Bama from the playoffs again this year after the Vandy game.
Probably going to be in the playoffs.
Although the Auburn game is always really, really weird, no matter who's who in that one.
Um, and guess what?
I would just tell all of the standbases, he's not doing it for you.
You're a pawn in his moves.
And he has the Hoosiers number two in the country.
I get Danny not given
print the country. I get Danny Mac. Earn not given. Print the shirts. Okay, that was good.
I was glad we got some feedback there.
I'll try to be better sharpen up,
shave off the rough edges.
Go Hoosiers.
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Andrew Whitworth joins us.
What's up, man?
What's going on, brother?
Happy to be here, man.
Yeah, no, it's good to see you again.
So I think there's a bunch of different things that I want
to do. Let's just start with some straightforward NFL stuff and then maybe we'll get to some of the
fun stuff as well. When you see a win like the Bills against the Chiefs, and we've seen this a
lot during the regular season, and you know it's kind of like the guys that you're going to have
to get, how much can you actually take out of that win? I mean, a win's a win, but it's almost this
haunting thing of like, we've done this before, mean, a wins a win, but it's almost this haunting thing
of like, we've done this before, we've been here before,
and then it's different in the playoffs.
Yeah, I think a wins a win.
I went into it and I know Fitz will get upset.
It's a huge win for the Bills, obviously.
They wanna do it.
And I think that to me, it was a win a win.
I'm still saying it matters what happens in the playoffs,
but I do think being without some of his weapons, To me, it was a win a win. I'm still saying it matters what happens in the playoffs, but.
I do think being without some of his weapons, the way they really went about the game, the long drives, methodically going down the field,
figuring out ways to go the distance against the chief's defense.
I feel like the next time the chiefs play them, like that's in your head
a little bit of like, man, these guys just kept finding a way to go down the field.
And Josh didn't even have all his weapons at his disposal.
So I do feel like this one is a little different because I think it's one that
to me, it just felt like they needed to do it.
They've done it in the regular season before, but maybe not in this way.
And so I think this is one of those that you could build off of.
All right.
Did you have somebody, whether it was Cincinnati or LA, where you felt like,
man, they're just a bad matchup for us.
Well, I mean, uh, obviously in LA that the Niners had a pretty sick run
against us for a while there, uh, and it was just flat out, I think we were just
so defensive and, uh, you know, we were like the, the bitter, you know, ex
boyfriend or girlfriend to just, you know, you, you keep trying to say that you're
okay, uh, but you're really not with the whole situation because it was like, Oh,
well, you know, one game we sat guys cause we already had made the playoffs.
And then the next year it was like, we were hurt.
Uh, and then the next it's like, Oh, these, these things happened.
You know, there's all these excuses.
And then the run just continued.
And I always say this, it continued up until the point where week 18, the year we won the Super
Bowl, we have a lead on them.
We've come out and finally played well against them.
They come all the way back and beat us.
We go to overtime, they beat us at the end of overtime.
And I can remember the training room the next morning.
And you really look at it, that series has changed a little bit since then.
That morning, I remember guys sitting there going like, dude, they're actually
just a good football team, like, like they're really freaking good.
And it was like, that was the first time I'd heard guys just acknowledge, like,
maybe they're actually better than us.
And we got to play our absolute best to beat them.
So I think it's pretty ironic that you get into the NFC championship and we
have to come back and beat them in that
game and we do it and I think to me it's kind of changed now like where they I
don't think they see them quite the same I think they see the Niners as man
they're as good as us if not better so like we have to play our absolute best I
think it's changed a lot of the demeanor of that locker room because for a while
we were in denial there's no doubt about it yeah I like how you said that
because I think
looking at it just as a guy watching on Sundays
and you'll see the track record of one team
against another team and you'll think,
okay, is there something they're doing
with their blocking?
Have they figured out their quarterback better?
And there's definitely some truth,
but then sometimes it's just, well,
they've been better than us.
And that's why we lose to them.
Or it's just a bad matchup for you.
And then the Niners were a bad matchup for us.
What they were really good at was probably like the one,
the couple things that it's like, man,
this is the team that, you know,
we really don't have a great answer for this.
And we really like, this is kind of the one thing
that's gonna hurt us.
And so I think when you look at it,
sometimes there's just those bad matchups
where it's just like, man, this team kind of owns us.
And it's because really how we're constructed
and how they're constructed, this is probably the toughest test for us. And oh, by the way, it's also like, man, this team kind of owns us. And it's because really how we're constructed and how they're constructed,
this is probably the toughest test for us.
And oh, by the way, it's also a divisional game
with tons of implications all the time.
So there's a lot of factors that go into it.
Okay, I think that's a good lead in then
to what we've seen with Lamar against Pittsburgh,
because I thought this was the week,
we're like, look, I mean, this is all lining up.
He's going up against Russell Wilson.
I mean, they've got to get him this week.
And the thing that I loved about the defensive
approach from Pittsburgh is just that you got to
figure out a way to contain.
It's not about tackling Lamar.
It's about containing.
And the only reason I really get excited about
this is I remember at ESPN, I was waiting to go on
sports center, Teddy Bruski and I were in the back,
right?
We're in the back of the set.
And I was asking you about something that they used to do.
And he then demonstrates the entire thing on me by grabbing the front of my suit.
He goes, well, this is what we would do whenever we went up against this kind of guy.
He's like, it's contained and then shed.
It's never upfield.
And I'm like, all right, you're fucking up my suit.
Like I have to go on TV here in two seconds, Teddy. I love you.
But, and when I watch Pittsburgh, I thought the, all right, you're fucking up my suit. Like I have to go on TV here in two seconds, Teddy. I love you. But, and when I watch Pittsburgh,
I thought the coverage was great,
where Lamar was in between.
And so again, is it game planning
or is it now just a bad matchup?
Things that we have to think about
when the playoffs get seeded out.
Yeah, I think it's a tough matchup for them.
I really do, because if you really look at what Pittsburgh
is gonna try to do offensively and defensively, they're going to try to possess the football
offensively, they're going to run it.
You know, they're going to take a couple of shots in the game.
You look at them, the marriage are really running past.
I think Arthur Smith's done a great job.
And then, so they're going to kind of keep your possessions limited.
And then defensively, I got this guy named TJ Watt, who was running
all over the freaking field.
And then he has obviously had an impact on how high tower and
her big and those guys play high towers out of this one.
But what do you know?
Pittsburgh Steelers, of course, the next guy jumps right in and
he's flying all over the field, falls in turnovers.
I mean, their ability really Pittsburgh's to create these
splash defensive plays is unbelievable.
I mean, it's like, they always can find a way to create that
fumble or that huge turnover or score on defense. Uh, it's, it's like they always can find a way to create that fumble or that huge turnover
or score on defense.
It's very rare.
Whatever it is, they have bottled up over there, but I think it is.
I think it's a tough matchup because you got guys like Cameron Hayward who set the tone
in the interior of that defense and you go, all right, you're not going to be able to
run it in the middle as much.
And then on the outsides, we got edge rushers who aren't the type who they're heavy setting
the edge guys.
They are chasing energetic athletic guys who all game long are flying around the field,
which is a bad scenario for Lamar.
It's harder for him to get out and do his thing when you have those type of guys.
And I think really just to me, it's one of those that it starts people can say what they
want.
It gets in your head and you start to think about it.
I've never played good against this team.
I am a huge golfer.
I say this all the time.
There is holes as a golfer.
If you play a lot of golf that you're like, man,
when I play this golf course, for whatever reason,
every time I get on the fifth tee,
I freaking rope hook it into these trees
or I shake it over here.
It just, there's things that mentally get in your head
and it leads to your performance.
And I think to me, you see these, when these happen,
it just changes. You do something, you're tight, you squeeze it a little hard,
you fumble, you make a pick or a bad decision. Or like in this game,
it looked like Lamar locked in a lot to try to do what he wanted to do instead
of what he was being given some. And so I think it just, you can't,
you can say all you want,
but it lives in that head space of yours that you haven't been able to find a way to be really
successful against a certain team.
I'm going to set you up here to maybe go in a couple of different
directions because we'd like to have the quarterbacks on and they can just
lament about the state of quarterback and everything.
And I remember the first few weeks of the season, I was thinking like, is
it just this too high safety party that everybody's happened and And then no one's really countering yet with rushing attempts.
Like I don't mind that the game has evolved to a place where it's like, maybe we just don't have to like waste passing opportunities with all these runs.
Even though I understand you guys like to run block more than you like to pass protect, but I don't know if that has happened yet, but it feels like the Chargers came into the season being like, we're not adjusting anything.
This, this is going to be our game plan.
So are you waiting, are you waiting for this maybe correction to some of the
things that we saw in the beginning of the season where teams are going to be a
little run heavier, or do you think that just it's gone?
Like it's not going to happen because everybody's in love with these passing attacks.
Yeah, I think some teams are set up where passing is really all they're going to do.
I mean, you look in Cincinnati, I think that like you look at that team, they're
constructed that that's what they're going to do.
I mean, they don't care really what you come out to do there.
They're going to mix runs in, but they're there to throw the football, Joe Burrow.
But, uh, I think you see some teams that have committed to it this year
and it's leading to success.
They're playing great defense.
They're running the football and then they take shots off of it.
I mean, the Chargers are a great example of that.
I mean, Jim Hart, Jim Harbaugh stats from when he first took over the Niners,
the Chargers, they're almost they're identical damn near.
And so it's like, he just brought back that entire philosophy and plan.
Like let's play awesome defense and let's run the football and be physical.
And I really think that that's the only reason that when you have these
conversations about what it looks like when teams get into the playoffs and you
say, Oh man, what's playoff football?
Like, go look at the chiefs.
People say what they want about the chief stats, but man, I always said this.
It feels like Andy Reed just plays games with people in the regular season.
Cause he knows they're so good.
Because when you go look at the playoffs, the last two years in a row that they
won a Superbowl, they all of a sudden in the playoffs ton play tons of
12 and 13 they all of a sudden all the run game stuff changes they start running
power leads and pole leads and physical football plays and then they build
everything off of that and they play great defense and they win and that's
why I think teams like the Steelers who you're like all right well maybe they
are competitive but they're not one of the elites.
I don't know their style of football in the playoffs, limited possessions,
great defense calls a turnover to is actually what's really successful.
I mean, everyone talks about the Ravens last year and it's like, what did
they do when they got into the playoffs?
All of a sudden they decided to throw it against the chiefs a ton and they
lose the game and all you wanted them to do was run it.
And I mean, to me, I think that's there's be some teams that I think might call
some stir in the playoffs this year, just by how they're actually built.
They play great defense and they run the football that if your, your style is not
that you're going to have a tough time getting them out of the playoffs because
that style wins that time of the year.
Okay.
Now offensive line stuff we've heard.
Okay.
No one plays in the pre-season, you don't get enough and this has led to.
It's, it's not just too high.
It's not just passing all the time.
It's just that offensive lines are not connected the way that they used to be.
Is that true?
No, I don't think that's as much as much as I think that position
takes some building some calluses.
I mean, I think it takes a little bit of, you know, you got to get out there and build the toughness it takes to play the positions.
I mean, one of the things that, you know, injuries are injuries, but you see a lot with some of these young guys is they miss so much time.
I mean, miss a game here, come back the next week, miss a game there.
They're leaving games inside of a game like in sitting on the sideline.
They're not even like truly injured to where it's like, oh, they got to leave
the field, they're just out for the rest of the game.
Like I, in my mind, it took me a lot of time to have patience with that whole thing.
I'm like, well, I don't even understand.
Like you explained to me the injury that you can't finish a game with,
but like the next week you can play.
Like I don't even understand what that means.
Uh, makes zero sense to me.
So I, that thing to me is, is, is interesting.
It's just, some of the calluses and toughness that you have to build.
Now, some of that is a little bit of training camps changed, right?
But I think that you have to develop a way to mentally challenge guys, create
toughness and I think now with how training camps changed, I think you're
going to see more coaches go
back to, all right, the limited time we have, we are going to hit every second we have and
we're going to play in more preseason games because I think you need to see who are your
tough guys, who are the guys that have that cows, who does have the ability to sustain
because that may be my best five guys is the guys that
actually can survive that training camp and physically be ready to go.
That's probably the best implication that through a 17 game season, these
are going to be the best five that I can put on the field and I can count.
They'll actually be out there because I think that's one of the biggest
problems too, is there's so much in and out that it's hard to build any continuity
and you need to see who you have that's healthy enough to go play weekend and week out.
Because to me, that's one thing that doesn't give enough credit.
I've always said this, like even when you had, you know, I love that PFF came in the game because it finally, you know, although I don't agree with it all the time, it finally gave linemen some scalable thing that people started to go, okay, let's figure out a way to give linemen a number or a grade of somehow that the public can know about.
But at the same time, I used to always say, you know, you should negatively grade guys
who miss games because the reality is every game you miss, whoever your backup is, whatever
level they play at, that's actually what you're providing to your team at that time.
So that tells you a better story of what kind of player that is.
Like if you're a great football player and you're a highly graded athlete at left
tackle, but you're missing three or four games a year, you're costing your team
those three or four games.
So that should reflect in the kind of player you are.
We aren't playing a stat driven game where it's just per yardage, a game
or touchdowns, a game.
Your availability is one of your greatest traits.
And to me, your team being able to count on you, there's something that
should be able to measure that.
If you could build an O line right now, like who's the first guy
that you would take in a league?
Oh man.
I mean, right this second, I think, you know, there's a couple of guys that
probably in these young guys that are just, I don't know, some of these guys
crack me out, like, you know, you just look at even Tristan Worf,
Pene Sule, some of those guys that have been able to play both sides and be productive.
Like they have like that blows my mind.
I mean, if I play right tackle,
you might as well put me in a blindfold and tie my arms behind my back
because I would have no idea how to get out of a right-handed stance.
But I think to me,
you probably got to say that Pene Sule is one of those guys that you'd have to put on the list of if you're starting a group, uh, he's gotta be on it.
I mean, I also, you know, I think that to me, one of the harder positions you
see in the league to find a guy that's really dominant at it, uh, like a Creed
Humphrey, finding a dominant center would be probably a great place to start too.
So I really look at it to me, it's either get that really, really elite tackle
that you think you need.
If you're gonna start a line group,
right now going forward in the league,
you guys that have a lot of time left,
or that elite young center
that you think you can kind of build an offense around.
Because those two positions to me are really,
kind of if you can have that,
either the center of your offensive line
is something you can count on
for the rest of your career there, or you got that elite guy at tackle then you kind of fill in from there. I think those
are two of the spots that to me would be the first thing to jump off my mind. Yeah as a reformed ball
watcher and making sure I'm like hey you know they're always going to show the replay so pick
somebody out and watch and Aaron Donald was maybe the first interior defensive lineman where you could watch the entire game through him and just laugh your ass off. Just going,
this is so ridiculous what he does and how he gains all this tension. But Sewell's on that list
for me. And every Sunday night when he's on a Sunday broadcast or he's on any of the prime time
stuff, you'll always, you'll get a couple moments where you're thinking how, like they can do anything with him.
Like he'll get outside and you're thinking, how can, and then they, they
like double check his weight and go, he's that big and he's doing this kind of
stuff.
And you know, look, I just think it, it's one thing to just pass block, run
block and all these things, but it's like, no, we have alignment who can get
outside and then we can throw behind that or we can run behind that.
It definitely opens up the playbook for you.
Yeah, I mean, he's a rare guy.
I mean, the abilities he has really in every phase
of the game is extremely rare.
I've always said that's one of the reasons like
I've always kind of kept Trent Williams
even before this last little run with San Francisco
that he's been so good throughout his career.
I've always put him kind of at that top of that list for me, because when you really
talk about every single phase of the game, this guy can dominate.
He's one of those guys that to me has been probably the best of his era in that sense
that like, there's not a single part of the game that he can't absolutely be a factor
and a dominating factor in.
And May Soule looks like a guy who for his career will be that way, which
is going to set him apart from all the others, because there might be guys
that can pass protect really, really well.
You know, they're really effective in the run game or something, but
there's very few that in the screen game, pass game, run game out in open space.
Hell, you're even trying to give him the football down on the red zone, uh, you
know, on this release screen throwback. Uh, you know, so those kinds of things, you're even trying to give him the football down on the red zone you know on this release screen throwback you know so those kind of
things you're just not gonna find many guys on the planet like that he's a rare
dude when you think back to like when you had Carson what a couple years into
his career he had been into yeah I think I think you got to LA and right after
the ACL injury was my first year there so him to his comeback from that so when I look at some of the younger quarterbacks, you know, I wonder what kind
of role the offensive line can play in even talking to a guy. I imagine because
you're a rookie, you're not gonna start talking to Palmer a lot. Was it was it a
little different with Goff once you were with the Rams? Like did you feel that
that was a spot for you to be able to talk to him different?
Yeah, it's massive. I mean to to me, when I really look at now
doing what I do cover in the game,
the first thing I'm looking for,
and even later in my career,
when a young quarterback comes in,
I'm scanning the offensive roster and going,
all right, what bets are on that team up front?
Because the skill guys, it's tough.
A veteran receiver can help a guy to an extent,
but most veteran receivers are probably used to whatever quarterback groomed them.
And so their perception is going to be, here's how you should do it.
And it's usually really based off a guy who may be nothing like the current rookie quarterback they have.
And so you may be asking him to do something he just can't do.
That might not be his style. That might be the way he operates.
But a veteran lineman that's in there
that has been in an offense or been around other quarterbacks and understands
really the dynamic of the huddle, the dynamic of like, Hey, what we're
expecting from you and your drops, you know, how our office is built, what
we're expecting from you in a communication standpoint, what we can handle for you.
That's the first thing I'm looking for when I look because I go, all
right, this guy's going to struggle.
I mean, when I, when I looked at Chicago's roster, it's the first thing I thought looking for when I look because I go, all right, this guy's going to struggle. I mean, when I, when I looked at Chicago's roster,
it's the first thing I thought, okay, the Williams is like, all right,
who's the guy in that huddle who's talking life into him? Like you put,
Jared call from this podcast right now. He'll say, man,
we talked to me every freaking step, like where I'm standing, what I'm doing,
how fast I got the ball out, you know, oh, that was a good job getting this out.
Like it was a good job with that call. Like every play I'm giving him feedback in between plays of like what we're
expecting, where we want you.
Hey, what's this three is this three step?
All right, dude, when you hit that back foot, get this ball out.
Like we're going to, we're going to keep their hands down.
You know, oh, this is a deeper drop.
Right?
Listen, this kind of guy, he might go underneath.
So like be ready to kind of lean to your left a little bit.
If you're going to have to hold on to this thing, because I'm going to take him underneath you. Like so all those
type things that like they're getting feedback from veteran guys it's a huge factor for a rookie
quarterback because a lot of times the receivers are giving him give me the ball like hey I was
open the coordinator is in his ear chewing him out for the wrong read like no no what are you doing
the linemen are there going like hey man, man, how do we be productive?
Hey, dude, like, hey, we need you to do this.
We need to do that.
Like, that's the only kind of feedback he's getting where somebody's going,
hey, man, what do you need from us?
What can we do for you?
Those type of things.
And so to me, I always felt like that was my job.
I had Andy Dalton in 2011.
So it was like experience in his journey and then go to the Rams.
And I thought that experience really prepared me for what I had to do with
Jared Goff.
And it's like 2017, you come in, you got to get confidence in the golf.
Like that helped me for that situation.
So it's really like understanding what those guys need to hear and feel and kind
of develop in that relationship.
To me, it's one of the biggest factors.
If you're going to draft a young quarterback, you better have a better
alignment that they can lean on.
That was an awesome answer.
Cause you know, I'm sitting here looking at Caleb and I'm a huge Caleb fan.
I loved him before the draft, you know, to share with you as the audience has heard.
I'm, I'm sort of indifferent just on like, maybe it'll work.
Maybe it won't with so many of the college guys.
And I'm such a huge fan of his.
And then I look at they've got DJ, they in Keenan They draft Rome they've got combat and then here think you're telling me it's an entirely different thing like look at look at the O line
All right. Let me ask you this because you've been with
Yeah, the Dalton part of it golf everybody loves can a quarterback be an asshole
Can he just have an asshole personality and it still work?
It depends on the type of asshole he is. So, you know, I always say this, like,
if it's an asshole like I love,
like somebody who loves to kind of talk some shit back,
has a little shit in their neck, that's great.
I think that's awesome.
You know, but if there's somebody who kind of is like,
leave me alone, let me do my thing,
I think that's gonna be trouble.
Like, especially- And they're not awesome.
Yeah, because you better be really good.
And then even then, the reality of playing that position is you're going to struggle and you're going to have bad times.
And if your guys don't love you, I look at the league now.
I was actually just telling somebody this morning,
look at the teams that are really successful offensively,
not built off the run game, just their actual success.
And tell me how good the dudes the quarterbacks are.
Like they're guys that you're like, God, I love that dude.
Like the teammate he is, like the person he is much less how he plays.
Um, there's a lot of that right now in the league.
And it's almost like you need to pass the personality test a little bit
in this league right now, because it's really about how much the group around you,
if we keep talking about all the things
these young kids are coming in and experiencing, right?
They're all being pulled a million different directions.
Social media, marketing, I mean marketing deals.
I didn't have a marketing in my entire career.
Like I don't even know what that meant.
You know what I mean?
Like a marketing deal,
these guys are getting pulled every direction possible.
And I'm talking about everybody on the offense, right?
Line men are getting deals, Lord, you know,
pizza deals, whatever it is.
So when you're that quarterback, you better be a dude
that's like actually all those guys want to,
like you're their dog, like they want to play for you.
They respect you.
They look up to you.
Like they want to go out and ball
because we're all together and we're like a family.
And you got to have some of that now.
And I think that you look at the Josh Allen's,
the Patrick Rhoames, the Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson's,
you look at some of those guys like, man,
that's what they are.
They're dudes that you want to hang out with regardless
if we're playing football or not.
And I think that's really what's kind of taken over the league
at that position is you better be the kind of guy
that's one of the guys, not the guy.
Cause I think the one I played,
well, there was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees.
Like it was a little bit of an aura of like,
you revered them more than you thought of as you hung out with them.
I think that it's a little different now.
Yeah, it feels like you described Stafford perfectly, by the way.
I don't pretend to know him that well.
We've had a couple encounters,
we have a couple of musical friends.
John Wayne, baby.
But just the way you dudes love Stafford.
Um, it's, it, it just feels like it's a special level of, of just
love for the guy behind center.
I've always said this, I love golf and Stafford.
Uh, you know, I had a great opportunity to have some, a lot of success
with both of them, but it's, it's, uh, it's interesting.
Like they're totally different people.
Right?
So like I've always said, Stafford is John Wayne.
Like he is the baddest freaking cowboy in the bar.
And everybody's like, dude, I just want to like have a beer with that guy.
Like that is the toughest.
He never says a word.
He never complains.
He's got blood coming from his lip and he's still going to win.
Like he's going to fight everybody.
He doesn't care what the situation is.
So you love him because he's John Wayne. And then Jared Goff is like
the teddy bear you've had since you were two.
Like if you, if you tear my teddy bear's arm off, I'll kill you.
Like you don't touch my teddy bear. Okay. And like that, that is literally,
Jared, you find you look how much guys love Jared. Like they love him. They chant his name.
They go crazy for him every time he has some success.
Like he is like that little toy that has as they were a kid.
They're like, you will never touch my toy.
Like that's how the way guys love him.
They both have that, but it's just different.
Their personalities and the way that you care about.
Do we talk about LSU here?
Oh my gosh.
I just talked about my teddy bear.
Now you want to depress me like this? I mean, I'm frustrated. Listen, Fitz and I have our
own podcast we just started two weeks ago and I just shared this, man. I just went from
like dad of the year to like, I got a lot of work to do. So I planned my two trips with
my boys and I talked about it on our podcast this week.
It literally, I take Michael to the trip of a lifetime.
We go to the Ravens game, Bengals Ravens.
He gets to hang out with Burrow and Lamar.
We go to Washington the next day.
I interviewed Jayden Daniels for our show.
He gets to meet Jayden, hang out with Jayden.
They give him all kinds of commanders in gear.
Dan Quinn's awesome to him.
We fly to LSU, go to LSU Bama. We have a great time hanging out with Jayden, they give him all kinds of commanders and gear. Dan Quinn's awesome to him. We fly to LSU, go to LSU, Bama.
We have a great time hanging out with Todd Graves and the Raising Cranes crew.
It's like, we have a blast.
Go to college game day with Kirk.
Like it was awesome.
Get home and my other son's like, Hey dad, I know LSU lost.
You planned my trip a while back.
We were, you said LSU was going to the SEC championship and we're going
to the SEC championship together. So what's going on? So then they lose to Florida.
And now I'm like, great. So my one kid gets trip of a lifetime. I'm feeling, you know,
I'm dad of the year. And now Drew man, my son Drew is like, Hey dad, if they're not
in the SEC championship, what happens to our trip? I'm like, well, you know, buddy, we're
going to have to pivot. All right. We're going to have to have to come up with something else.
Uh, that's a rough one. We'll, we'll figure it out.
So I'm, I'm, I'm trying to circle some dates.
We'll figure something out.
I'm going to take him to some kind of sporting event.
I don't know what it is, but LSU, you kind of ruined my dad trip.
Um, so I'm not happy.
Not happy.
He might want to question his dad about his, his lofty assumptions
about an SEC title game appearance.
I had a lot of faith. I had a lot of faith.
I had a lot of faith. Maybe too much faith.
Alright, sometimes you bleed too much purple and gold, alright?
Hey, I don't blame you.
I want to end with this.
Again, Fitz and Whit, the new podcast out every Monday,
the couple episodes in, did you already feel like you needed to apologize
about being upset about the Fields to Wilson thing? Because that's not, podcasters don't apologize a lot.
And I felt like you were groundbreaking in that moment.
No, you know what?
It's kind of one of those things that, uh, I felt like in that moment, I really
saw it as a chance for the Steelers to say, all right, what does it look like
going forward?
I think I didn't have a good feel for how good and competitive they really
were compared to the rest of the AFC. In the sense that it's like, Hey, to me,
it's building for what you're going to be in the future.
Um, now Russell Wilson comes in, we've seen the success they've had.
Obviously it's been great.
They've still struggled in the red zone some, and you can easily go back in that
game with a Raven and say, if they just don't make so many mistakes, I don't know
if the Steelers win that game and they've already started to kind of, hey, we're going to implement Justin Fields in
a little bit in some of these situations.
So I used to be interested in how it all plays out.
But yeah, I just felt like, hey, you know what?
I've been in a pro bowl with Russ.
I've been around him, obviously played against him.
I give him his flowers, give him a little love.
I rejected him on national TV.
You know, I got to give him a little love.
You know, I'm a lineman.
You still got to protect the quarterbacks, right?
That's what we do.
Even if he had that Pro Bowl outfit from those infamous pictures.
So, yeah, I love it.
Listen, there's a reason I selected fields the first time, but I gave the apology.
Okay.
That made it all better.
All right.
It's all better now.
Hey man, we'll see you on Thursday night again, fits in with the new podcast set every Monday. Thanks, man. Appreciate it all better. It's all better now. Hey man, we'll see you on Thursday night again.
Fits in with the new podcast every Monday.
Thanks man. Appreciate it brother.
You want details? Fine.
I drive a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolet.
What's up?
I have a ridiculous
house in the South Fork.
I have every toy you could possibly imagine.
And best of all kids, I am liquid.
So now you know what's possible.
Let me tell you what's required.
What's up everybody?
It's Life Advice, lifeadvicerr at gmail.com.
We've got Kyle, we've got Saruti.
We also have a Wargon picture that we're gonna drop
for our college football alliance pick
because the guy's on fire and I want him to get the
recognition he deserves. Do we want to start with some feedback?
That's maybe a Friday feedback, but I think it works here. All right, here we go.
My husband is a loser.
I'm a 43 year old woman who hates listening to this podcast.
I know I'm supposed to say gym stats, but I have none.
My husband and I do have twin 17 year old high school basketball players and he
always tells them they play like the final season at old miss Marshall
Henderson. That's the worst basketball advice I've ever heard.
You want to talk about one of my least favorite players in college basketball
history. I have no clue who that is or what that means though.
Well, that's bad advice, ma'am. Just be straight up.
My problem is my husband forces me and our kids to listen to this podcast on the
way to every game, every vacation, every trip over 30 minutes away.
He listens to every podcast at work the day it comes out,
but then relistens when he forces us to hear it.
I can't take it anymore.
Please tell him how big of a loser he is
because he won't listen to me.
He values the opinion of you gaggle of strangers
so much that maybe you can finally help me.
You read one of his nonsense emails on Life Advice years ago
and he still all caps forces his family
to listen to the eight minutes of you reading his email
at least once a month.
For years now, it was a dumb email forces his family to listen to the eight minutes of you reading his email at least once a month for years.
Now it was a dumb email about wanting to fight Ryan on
some rough and rowdy.
I have no clue what that even is, but he thinks he's
clever.
He can't even fight.
He'd lose to the skinny man bun soccer guy in a fight.
Who's that man?
Oh, have you seen his haircut lately, dude?
Come on.
Oh man, that was a long time ago.
All right.
The day you read the day, sorry, the day you seen his haircut lately, dude? Come on. Oh man, that was a long time ago, right? The day you read, sorry, the day you read his email,
he called me aesthetically like I cared at all. All caps.
I don't.
Please, for the sake of my sanity,
tell him how big of a loser he is
for liking a dumb podcast so much.
Please don't use my name because I'm an adult,
but he will know who you were talking to.
The kids do shoot threes at an alarming rate. Wow. That is one of
the best emails. I mean, I'm no, uh, yeah. It wasn't great for you.
Wasn't great for me. Also claims to not know who Marshall Henderson is, but then
that last line about my kids shoot a bunch of threes. Like, do you know who Marshall Henderson is then?
Sounds like, well, more confusing.
Okay.
One Shining Podcast.
How did, was OSP around for the Marshall Henderson experience?
I don't believe so.
Why don't you do a little five minutes with Tate on that?
Okay, let me write it down on my whiteboard here.
Just to revisit the Marshall Henderson era.
There we go.
Westbrook watcher Marshall Henderson came.
He was like, dude, guy needs to take it easy.
Ever heard of shot selection?
Wow. Do we tell this guy he's a loser though?
No.
You just need to stop his behavior is what you need to do.
Yeah. That's what you need to do. I have, I mean- He wanted to fight me. No, you just need to stop this behavior is what you need to do. Yeah.
That's what you need to do.
I have, I mean, this is-
He wanted to fight me?
I don't even remember this.
I think I do remember that email.
You do vaguely remember that.
And I think I hated the email too.
But I'm glad we got our hooks in a while ago
and he's been here ever since,
so I hope we don't lose him.
I mean, I had this problem when I was like young,
like we had a suburb,
I was actually a Tahoe, Chevy Tahoe,
and we take long trips.
We go to Long Beach Island once a year.
That was our big deal.
Beach Haven.
Good days?
You like those days?
Yeah.
Love those days.
Arcade, some ice cream.
It's not about GPSs.
But no, I think it's a five-hour trip.
It's like a five and a half hour trip.
And so we bring people.
The kids would, there's four kids,
by this time there was probably only three
and the kids would bring,
there was like a little DVD player in the, you know,
the roof of the-
Drop down.
Yeah, drop down, little screen.
And the kids would bring their movies and stuff like that.
And I decided for birthday, my birthday one year,
I asked for the box set of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Like I'd amass them one like Christmas or birthday at a time.
So I think I ended up with five seasons.
And that's when it was my turn, that's what I would do.
I would pick Fresh Prince of Bel-Air for five hours.
And that's what it was.
And on our trips, I was like, yep, it's Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
I think I'll go season two, this trip.
And my family still makes fun of me about it today
because you know, the song and stuff like that.
But like when it was my day, that's what I did.
I hammered them over the head with Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
That's all I wanted.
And I was like, I think this is awesome.
You guys love it too.
And I'm, you know, just turned 31 the other day.
They still talk about Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Get out now.
I was 13 and it annoyed them.
You're an adult, you're a grown man,
and you're bashing everyone over the head with this. So just find a better time to, to consume it. Like in hindsight, my, you know, my New Jersey beach trips probably weren't the best time to get on my fill of Fresh Prince.
I just wonder, I had no idea where that was going, but that was great.
It was great.
Yeah, I was like, where I still feel sick about it.
That was great. Thank you.
It was great.
It was.
I was like, where is this?
I still feel sick about it.
But you were 13.
You shared the whole premise.
I shared, but the thing is, I didn't get a reciprocation.
They were like, yeah, we know, and we're starting to hate it.
What did other people watch?
What were other people's picks?
You know, my sister was Big Brother Bear.
I used to be like Disney classics, Hercules.
That's one of my favorite Disney movies, stuff like that.
Sword and the Stone. Great music.
You know what?
Sword in the Stone, take it or leave it.
Yeah, it's.
I love that.
Water Ship Down, you wanna make some kids cry?
There you go.
Water Ship Down, that's like an adult movie.
Anyway.
I don't know what to do here
cause here's the thing, we're not losing this guy.
So we could probably call him whatever we wanted to.
But he's a P1.
He's not going anywhere.
Yeah.
Right.
We apparently already ripped him.
So he's not going anywhere.
If we do that, I, I think the listening back to it with like, they clearly don't
enjoy it like, are you doing this because it's like, Hey, it's my car.
I'm driving.
I get to pick the music.
Cause that's, that's definitely a thing.
But I feel like if you're a dad and like everyone else is in the car is annoyed. Like, is that really worth the satisfaction? Like she just throw on some music, because that's definitely a thing. But I feel like if you're a dad and everyone else in the car is annoyed,
is that really worth the satisfaction?
You just throw on some music, throw on another pod,
I don't know.
The listening back to me is the weird part.
You've already listened to it at work,
and then you're gonna make your family,
who apparently doesn't like us,
listen to it. Like you bowl the perfect game
or something, because we read your email.
Like what are you doing?
Yeah.
What about those Rassillo under the breath moments
he may have missed first time through? Yeah. You know, I get complimented for those a lot.
Yeah. Maybe he didn't, maybe he didn't catch it.
Like when you do those on bill, those are good.
Speaking of never catching it. No.
Do you think bill ever gets any of them or he just hates me?
I think he's like, I got a lot to get to Ryan. If you're fucking done.
Yeah. Uh, that's all right with you.
He's got a, he's got a lot to get to Ryan, if you're fucking done. Yeah. That's all right with you. He's got a squeak. He's got a schedule. Yeah, I look great
email, except for the surrey part. Sorry. It's okay. He
probably could kick my ass. So it's all right. Well, I don't know.
We don't, we don't know.
I don't want to follow up on that.
Uh, do the kids like it?
It sounds like she does not like us at all.
I think that's established.
Do the kids like it?
Is anyone listening to anybody?
Remember we just talked about this, you know, with the guy, like a couple of
teenage kids in high school who play hoops and really listening to me when they hear
my voice, do they go, this is, this is the good stuff for they
like this fucking guy again.
Or still always for the kids.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Does she not like us though?
Or like it's, it's, it reminds me of, I've told the story before,
but like my roommate in college, just we'd listen nonstop to Dave
Matthews band and I just, I, I, I can't listen.
I hate Dave Matthews band to this day.
And it's not even like a Dave thing, it's more of just like, oh my god, I have to listen to this again.
I don't know that she hates us, it's just that like, it's being forced on her.
So she just hates it because of me.
Dude, my wife prefers a silent car ride sometimes.
And that, I don't know what to do with that.
I don't know, not silent, like I can't talk, but like doesn't really want anything on the airwaves.
Not for the Indians.
It's not, it's not, it's not all the time,
but sometimes it's like, you know,
this is going to be a 40 minute trip.
It's like, you think we could just not put anything on?
Like, yeah, sure.
Wait, but you guys have a conversation?
Like I'll put like, you know,
I'm leaving through Spotify is about to pull out.
And she's like, do you think we could just not?
Okay. Oh man.
And we want to like, see if there's any weird radio on we could laugh at and
have the little like shared joke.
Yeah, just let's just talk.
So, so, I mean, it might not be like she hates what she's listening to.
She just like, this isn't the vibe for this, you know, 30 minute
trip to practice I'm into, but you know, sometimes I win that battle.
Sometimes I don't.
I would, I would say this.
Uh, thanks for listening, but clearly no one enjoys as much as you do.
So maybe it's a, maybe it's a you thing.
Maybe it's a you moment.
Maybe it's something you get to look forward to on those alone times, but
apparently you're already listening to it before.
So thanks.
So we're not going to tell anybody.
I do wonder just, I would love to know
what the numbers would be if we just,
I'm not saying I wanna do it,
but what do you think would happen, Surti?
You're in management, if we just did life advice
and never did anything else.
Yeah, I mean, we definitely get a lot of reaction
to be like, hey, monologue guests, we'll see, but I
always skip ahead to life advice.
I don't know.
I feel like it's kind of like the too much candy.
Like you can't eat candy for every meal.
Right.
Or else you're going to get sick of candy.
You need the other stuff.
You need to eat the meatloaf.
You need to eat the broccoli.
And so I think it's, it's too much of a good thing.
I think is a real thing.
So I actually don't think it would work.
What would the category of the podcast be?
Is it comedy? Lifestyle?
Health and wellness.
I love when I see health and wellness in a bio, I just get so excited.
Boats.
I was like, you're not sure either, are you? Uh, okay.
This is a quick one. So we'll just get to it. God, man,
Saru is taking another chin today, but has Saruti ever heard of a freezer? I'm a bit late on the whole pretzel bun
saga. I tend to say- We covered this. I'll save you the email. We covered this.
Somebody asked me this. Multiple people have talked to me about this. When you put bread
in a freezer and you defrost it, it's not the same. It tastes like crap. I don't
tell you. If you throw it on a a grill though I think it animates it a little bit it's not
you're right but it's it's just not the same and I like to bad bread I like to
reserve space in the freezer for shit that deserves to go in the freezer and I
think that I don't know pretzel buns make that you know I don't know
probably buds make the cut I wish Saruti could see my freezer. Hamburger buns, pack of bagels mingle freely next to containers of San
Marzano tomatoes and chicken broth.
I freeze just about everything.
And that goes for pretzel buns too.
Pop one out an hour before lunch and let it defrost on the counter
or throw it in the microwave for one minute on power level three.
You're welcome.
No, it's chewy.
It makes me think that he figured this out.
I've done it with the bagel thing.
The bagel thing is bullshit too.
When you unfreeze a bagel, the texture's not the same.
And I'm not gonna eat like a mediocre bagel.
I grew up in a frozen bagel house and I didn't love it.
I can tell you that.
You missed that early window.
You talked to a therapist about it.
Like I've been through some shit.
I'm in the basement by the way.
I'm literally like 15 feet away from my fridge.
I'll walk you through it.
Like there's a bunch, there's a lot of frozen ground beef.
We got veggies, we got-
Basement fridge, huh?
You are, well yeah.
You're doing well.
Let's be nice.
You got a freezer.
We're talking about a second fridge?
It is a second fridge.
It was here about the house.
Yeah. I should be taking advice from you, man. There's plenty of stuff in there second fridge. It was here when we bought the house. Yeah.
I should be taking advice from you, man.
There's plenty of stuff in there, man.
It's just bread frozen is not, it's not the way to go.
Saruti is right.
The microwave bread world.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Hey, what are you doing later?
Setting out some buns
because I'm gonna make some turkey sandwiches
an hour from now.
Yeah.
Nice.
Team Saruti on this one.
Yeah, thank you.
Okay.
All right, all right.
Let's see.
Now we've gotten so many that are just,
they're just Friday feedbacks, which is good.
Cause I think I've had a couple where I-
We're gonna do one next week. Yeah, I had one where I was like, I think there's been maybe two where I go, not your a effort out of this one.
Oh, this is, this is the one I wanted. Brian and Chris Long will enjoy that.
We enjoy Big Fork, Flathead. I get notified a couple of weeks ago that I'm a groomsman
and one of my best friends
since freshman year of college's wedding
taking place in 2026, planners.
The problem is I'm inclined to think he's been hung up
on a girl that we went on a spring break trip with
since 2016, parentheses relations.
Said girl messages one of our mutual friends six plus weeks after my best
friend's fiancee announces their engagement, quote, I can't believe blank is engaged.
Four days later, my best friend randomly out of nowhere asked me to invite
said spring break girl as my plus one to his wedding. I've not said anything to my best friend
that our mutual friend said. I'm suspecting he's not inviting her because he doesn't want his
fiance asking questions. How would I invite said spring break girl that has had a new boyfriend for four plus
years to a wedding of her former fling without her current boyfriend being invited?
How should I tell my best friend that his former fling is inquiring on his current
relationship like this without causing a rift in his relationship?
Any suggestions are highly requested.
Dude, how many bad ideas can you pack into a paragraph?
Go ahead.
I saw a golf video and it was definitely staged, but it reminded me of this.
We're like, these guys were on a golf trip and then they just like randomly invited the one
guy's ex
and surprised her there with him on the course,
and he was just all mad about it,
and that kinda seems like this situation.
Like, why are you just fucking up this guy?
He's got a good thing going, he's engaged.
I mean, unless you think there's a reason
that he doesn't really actually love the girl
that he's with, and there's a reason to sort of
throw his life into up in the air and into a spiral.
But man, just let the guy live.
Let the guy be happy.
That's his own problem.
The guy dropped the deposit already.
Come on, he'll figure that out.
He paid for this mistake, it's fine.
Yeah, mostly just stay out of people's business like that
unless you are 100% sure that he's gonna regret
some decision in the future or doesn't want this.
And I don't think you, you didn't say that.
So I don't think that's the case.
If you're on this guy's team,
you make this not work and make it seem
like it's no one's fault.
If you want this guy's life to go, you know, to succeed and go on as planned, you just,
this thing falls apart and you make it seem like it's no one's fault.
That's it.
Okay.
But let's retrace our steps here in the email, unless you understand this differently.
But when he says, my best friend since college, right?
Said girl messages our mutual friends six plus weeks
after my best friend's fiance announces their engagement.
Four days later, my best friend randomly out of nowhere
asked me to invite said spring break girl as my plus one
to his wedding, his wedding, right?
Why does he, first of all, you don't want to do it
because she has a boyfriend, so that's stupid. Why does he, first of all, you don't want to do it because she has a boyfriend, so that's stupid.
Why does he want her there unless, you know,
there's some really, god damn, I can't even,
like this is, that's not very wedding-y, Greg.
I just don't, I don't understand why, unless,
Fuck yeah dude. Understand why, unless,
this is kind of like a weird thing that I've never had,
is dudes know what I'm talking about here,
but like the guy in your friend group,
that's just this sort of weird like,
he's kind of detached emotionally from any intimacy,
and he'll be like, yeah, dude, she's awesome.
You should hang out with her, you know?
And not to say that you have to be like,
so altruistic or whatever to not be like that,
but you like get the point.
Like did this guy have such a good time with her?
He's like, man, you're my best friend.
I want you to spend the weekend with her.
Yeah, right?
You understand what I should. Right.
You understand what I'm saying here. And I, I, she has a boyfriend.
Like that.
Right.
She has a boyfriend.
So does he want her there because that's what it sounds like.
The Indian reading it sounds like he, yeah, maybe he, he, I don't know
what the reasoning would be, but he wants her there.
Doesn't want a fucking new haircut and a tux.
I don't know.
No.
Hey, how do I look?
Maybe a bad romcom, uh, plot here that he's hoping.
I don't know, man.
I wonder what percentage of people cheat on their spouse and their wedding night.
Oh, wow.
It's not zero.
Yeah.
It can't be zero.
There's a lot of people in the world.
A lot of people doing a lot of logistics of that feel really difficult to pull off though, you know, I don't know.
Some people get, I mean, is this a fucking hail Mary for this guy?
Like up to the last, I don't understand either way.
It's just a bad idea, which is why I don't think I need more context.
I want to follow up here.
Hey dude, why can you just ask them why?
Like, why?
I just wonder what the game plan is chief.
What, what, what are we running here?
Cause otherwise feels like a terrible idea.
But yeah, to your, you mentioned Ryan,
maybe there is something to him just being like,
I don't want my fiance asking any questions,
but why do you want her there?
That's the strange part.
I don't, there's no answer.
Why would you invite this scenario?
And then imagine if your wife found out that you did this.
This is one of those moments like why are you getting married if you're still.
I'm trying to think of all like obviously we get a million emails you didn't think about this you didn't say this yeah okay fine like we could run it.
And we just list a bunch of possible scenarios but.
I if i'm the emailer, I'm like, good luck with all that. I don't want anything to do with it.
And on top of that, even if I was super attracted to her
and you were simply saying, hey, she's awesome,
I think you guys would get along.
Like that's actually whatever our fling was,
whatever I'm married now, it's not the big deal.
Why is your wedding the time for this union
to come together?
Like, this happened at any point in the last couple years
when you weren't getting married?
Yeah, I guess he's thinking a lot more.
I mean, I think everyone, not everyone,
but I think it's common to have that one thing
that ended not badly, amicably, summer ended,
school started, you got a job, you moved or whatever.
And it was just like, yeah, we didn't really play this out.
I don't really, it's one of those things you think about,
but, and I don't know, I guess you have big thoughts
as the date approaches
that you're getting married. But I mean, this is just, this is poor planning and it would
be terrible execution. So I think you just can't follow. Like play dumb. Make sure this
thing doesn't happen.
No, I think you ask why. I think you got to ask why.
All right.
I want to ask why. And I don't know anybody. I just want to know, is it that he thinks you'd be a great fit and he has nothing? Is he such a narcissist that even at his own wedding,
he wants an option or he wants her to see him?
Yeah.
Because it ended, I don't, I'm so confused,
but I think that the only advice,
the only advice is just don't do any of this stuff.
Why would you do any of this?
Yeah, this isn't unless she's just ridiculous, right? Which is always the Trump of.
Right.
True.
But once again, what she has a boyfriend, how is this going to work?
Like you're, you're taking, even if you did work, work this out and, and this
thing went through, you're taking a chick with a boyfriend to your best
female wedding.
Like what's that?
That sucks for you.
Why, why does she want to go?
We haven't even addressed that.
Does she want to actually go to this thing?
That's that makes it even worse.
Another great question.
Man, I don't like any of this.
Let us know how it goes.
Was that guy you think that she texted and the other friend like, dude, you
know, hit me up the other day.
Cindy talking about your wedding.
And then like over the next four days, he's like, he can't get it out.
Maybe the way this guy described how that other, how
that girl reached out, like the third friend, maybe he did the way he described it was like, dude,
she was, she was shaken up. Like I played them, I played them all out. I can't think of any
scenario where I were, say I was killing it and loved my wife and wanted revenge on my ex. Hey, you should come to my wedding.
No.
Don't like my wife, totally regret it.
But it's kind of too late.
You should come to my wedding, Fling.
No.
No, hey best friend, this girl's amazing.
You guys would be great together
and I'd like you to have your first date be at my wedding.
No.
Yeah, like maybe he's just trying to amass as many people
who are just like, hey, speak now
or forever hold your peace.
And he's just looking for people to speak now.
He's got three plants in the audience.
He's just hoping somebody had enough whiskey beforehand
to stand up.
She gets up and gives a toast. She's like, he's not the best kisser.
All right. I'm, I'm so, I don't know that we've ever been this confused.
Definitely reply back with an update.
Yeah. Just you though, because I don't need,
this is the part where I hate the emails. Like what you didn't even say was
that to potentially cousin can't we didn't say that. All right.
Um, thank you to everybody, to everybody being involved this week.
Uh, a lot of stuff, a lot of people,
a lot of stuff going on this week.
Thanks to war gone for just keeping it all together and giving me the ad reads
early in the morning.
Let me know what the rest of the day is going to be like before the gym to
Saruti for fucking eating fresh bread.
Cause I'm on his side and Kyle still having the fresh prints DVD box set.
There's no chance you don't still have that.
Yeah, it's it's over there.
Love it. I love that about you.
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