The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Celtics Stifling KD and Embiid’s Raptors Revenge, Plus Deebo’s Value, NFL Draft Rumors, and Going Abroad With Kevin Clark

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

Russillo shares his thoughts on the Celtics’ defensive prowess in their Game 2 win vs. the Nets, Joel Embiid and the 76ers going up 3-0 vs. the Raptors, Bulls-Bucks, and more (0:34). Then Ryen talks with The Ringer’s Kevin Clark about the news of 49ers WR Deebo Samuel requesting a trade, NFL draft rumors, and more (16:45) before Going Abroad to discuss Ferrari’s Charles Leclerc finishing in first place in the Australian Gran Prix (35:33). Finally, Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (56:15) Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Kevin Clark Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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See app for details. I'm going to start today's podcast with an open on last night's playoff games. I'm not going to recap every single game from the last time that we spoke with you. We will have Sunday's pod with Bill. It's going to cover a ton of stuff. So I'm going to hit up Philly's last second shot from MP. It was ridiculous.

The Bulls getting even with Milwaukee, where you're like, wait, what's going to happen in that series, especially with the injury stuff. But I want to start in Boston. Celts up 2-0 on the Nets. We great game one was but game two was different and a lot of these games like they don't play out the exact same way all the time i always feel like we do collectively a bad job on some of the playoff results we'll see a result very early in game one you're like oh well they can't play with them or you know get the other teams up too oh we just seem to forget like you know a lot of these, they do actually go more than just four games.

Boston, what they did defensively in that second half against the Nets was all-time stuff. Let's recap a little bit of what we had. In the first half, Dragic and Bruce Brown combined for 30 points in the first. So the defensive attention is on Kyrie, who wasn't nearly as good in Game 2 as he was in Game 1, where he was incredible.

Durant didn't shoot it well, but you're like, okay, so what they're doing concept-wise defensively for Boston is they want to make sure they're focused on the better players, right? We see this a lot. This is not new. This is not groundbreaking stuff. But then Dragic and Brown light you up for 30. You're going, okay, is this going to work?

At one point, Boston was down 14 points, 53-39, and at the half, the Nets were up 10, 65-55, right? And by the way, the Nets were out rebounding them. So there was just all sorts of stuff as you're watching this thing play out, going, all right, Tandem's not shooting that well. The secondary guys for the Nets are killing the game plan, and the Nets are out rebounding. However, in the second half, what the Celtics did defensively,

and really even more so in the fourth quarter, was all-time stuff. That extra gear that you have. Because as I've done with NFL segments in the past, like that whole open I did on things being hard, the reason you go back to your sideline after going three and out three times, going, hey, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting. We've got a chance. All the NFL games that you watch on Sundays where you're like, ah, this team's so much better than that team. Next thing you know, they've got the

ball with a chance to actually score down four because of a turnover here and there because that's the whole point of sports. You keep fighting. This stuff isn't going to be easy and going up against a team like Brooklyn for Boston is not going to be easy, especially when you feel like or maybe they felt like you stole one from them at the end of game one with the last second Tatum shot.

Boston has this defense that allows them to probably, no matter what the situation now, despite this group not having, you could call it the Easter Conference Finals in the past, but you understand the point of like how much playoff success have you had? Where those teams that have had bunches of years

where they've had nice runs, maybe even a title sprinkled in there somewhere, there's this default position of confidence that you're going to have as a team, as an athlete. We're like, all right, we're okay here. And Boston showed that we're not really having the same profile as some of these other more accomplished teams in the past because they know with their defense, they have a chance. Look, the Nets took 15 long twos in the second half.

They were one for 15 on those. took 15 long twos in the second half. They were one for 15 on those. The Nets shot chart in the fourth quarter, five total shots in the paint, 14 outside of the paint. I'd say 10 of those were long twos. And when you watch Durant and Kyrie,

they're not going to run as much stuff because they're so gifted as isolation players. They're going to maybe use the screen. They're going to turn down the screens at time. And that's why they're so good. We understand how special these players are. but when you're going to be easier to defend by just what you're doing, and then Boston thrown against that group of pit bulls who are all looking at you, where five eyes are on the ball as you're also keeping track of who you're defending. And you could just see it, these moments where Durant's faced up, Tatum's on him,

two are kind of shaded off their man towards him. And it's like, man, you got to move the basketball. You have to figure out ways to get around this stuff. And the Nets just totally locked up. Durant was zero for 10 in the second half. It's the only time in a game, regular season or playoffs, he's ever taken that many shots in a half and not made a shot. Most ever in his entire career.

Tatum's defense continues. His primary assignment on Durant continues to be incredible. He blocked a shot and was almost like, ah, I was kind of lucky. It's like he didn't even want to say anything. Durant ended up with a ton of points, but he was 4-17 from the floor. Tatum didn't shoot it well either. Durant took 20 free throws. That's why the final overall number looks okay.

It's almost like Boston's going to go, we're going to beat on Durant so much in this series that even if he takes a ton of free throws, it takes them out of their rhythm. It reminds me of something that Durant said in that sort of revenge game where Ben Simmons showed up with Brooklyn but didn't play. It was Drummond against Embiid. The Nets won that game. And then Durant said, even though they were beating us early early on I felt like them taking a lot of free throws took them out of their offense it's something I paid attention to since Durant said it because I think it's really smart and maybe you're taking a million free throws

everybody else just kind of stops doing what you're doing it's almost like isolation basketball but it's at the free throw line the other part of this too Kyrie just I don't know if it was good I don't know if it's fair to say it's because everything he's dealing with Ramadan I don't know that it's fair to make that the only excuse as well. Sometimes really great players have bad

basketball games. He was a no-show for the entire thing. So we could talk about the Celtics having seven guys in double figures. We could talk about Peyton Pritchard having eight points, I think, in the fourth quarter. Yeah, he did have eight points in the fourth quarter. But this Celtics defense, the Nets scored two points, not from the floor,

two total points overall from 11.38 left in the fourth quarter to 3.46 left. Domination defensively by the Celtics. Let's take a look at the 76ers. Now up 3-0 with their overtime win at Toronto. Embiid, 7-10 in the regular season at Toronto. Expand that out to the playoffs. Prior to last night, he was 8-13.

He was terrible in the first half. He had five points, two free throw attempts, four turnovers. And something can happen to this Philadelphia offense if the free throws just aren't there for him that night. Same thing with Harden. He wasn't taking a ton. Drake apparently said to one of Embiid's teammates, he can't play here. Drake said that's teammates, he can't play here.

Drake said that. He said, he can't play here. Well, Embiid had 18 points in the third quarter. He gets the win. There was something that happened on that last second shot that was really, really interesting. They ran something where Embiid was catching it almost from the left elbow extended.

He had Precious who, you know how much I like Precious, Achua defending him and Embiid waited and he got the ball knocked out of his hands. You're like, oh, here's, here's the part of the Embiid argument that,

you know, is a fair one. And Sixers fans like, ah, this happened, you know, he just waited. Harden had fouled out.

Harden had really, you know, late in that game. I wasn't quite sure what the plan was, but there's so much attention to Harden and Emb late in that game. I wasn't quite sure what the plan was, but there's so much attention to Harden and Embiid that Maxie and even Tobias are going to have moments. There are some options here for Philadelphia

offensively. When you think of those four guys, that's really good. Embiid gets the ball knocked away, tracks it down, and then is about to throw a one-handed bomb that's not going to go in, and Doc Rivers gets the timeout.

So on the timeout, they run a play where I think it was supposed to be for Maxie. I was reading the Athletic, I think it was Rich Hoffman who had this where it was basically a lob that they tried in Minnesota at the rim that didn't work in Minnesota. And in this case, there's a screen set

for Embiid that worked. Achua said it was like the best screen ever. I don't know if it was the best screen ever, but he got pushed off the ball. But then on top of that, there's no one guarding inbounds, which everybody caught on to last night. And then Van Vliet's actually on the floor and Van Vliet's left and he saw the screen and was like, oh no, Embiid's free

and he's going to get a free catch. Now you have Van Vliet closing out on Joel Embiid. But it's still an insane shot for anyone to make. But apparently this is not that abnormal for Embiid. Think about this number. Embiid is now 22 of 52 from 25 feet or more with less than four seconds. That's one of the most impressive numbers for a guy like Embiid. I would have been like, what is it? Six for 50? He's 22 of 52.

So there you go. And the Drake thing, you know, whatever. Then he's out there walking through the tunnel with Embiid, hanging out with his buddy after the fact. I mean, we kind of get the Drake part of it. Tunes are great though, right? Embiid in that Toronto series back in 2019, he had some

bad games by the standards of what we would think for him to be. Remember, Jimmy Butler's still on the team too, though. But at 16 points, 12 points, 11 points, 13 points, 17 points, that's five of the seven games. Those are his point totals. And after Kawhi hits that shot, and they show him being emotional,

I never, like, people can clown on you and shit. That meant everything to me. I'm like, this is great. I love that he cares this much. I love that it matters this much. So for him to go up to Toronto, never like people can clown on you and shit that meant everything to me i'm like this is great i love that he cares as much i love that it matters as much so for him to go up to toronto a place he hasn't won a ton of games where his playoff history wasn't terrific in that series and again in a really tough game seven loss to see him get the game winner after one of the worst first pass he had all season long it was incredible i'll leave out the rest of the social media debates after the fact with Embiid.

Final one. Bulls even the series at Milwaukee won a piece. DeRosa goes for 41. Giannis with his pedestrian 33, 18, and 9. Milwaukee, look at this series of numbers here. Milwaukee won the rebounding battle. They took 16 more free throws. They didn't miss 11.

They shot 46 and 39% from the floor in three, and they still lost to a Bulls team that let's not kid ourselves, as we've talked about for months now on this podcast, they just haven't been very good. Now you can say, well, they got Patrick Williams back. Oh, they got Alex Caruso back. There is a part of me, yes, defensively with Milwaukee,

who it was basically, it was a part of their profile where we just kind of collectively overlooked it. Maybe they're just sort of coasting. We've talked about this before. But Milwaukee did not play defense statistically to the standard that we'd expect of them. That hasn't really been the case in this series because it's not the slowest-paced series. That's been Philly and Toronto. But this isn't something where Chicago all of a sudden is lighting up a defense that now

all of a sudden we have to be warned about, right? The whole point that I'm trying to make with this is like, what if Milwaukee is getting torched in a first round series against a Chicago team that the last month or so of the NBA season was one of the worst five or six offenses in the NBA? So that would be a real thing, but that's not really how these numbers are playing out. I think there's a couple things that are happening. We're being reminded that DeRozan can go off at any point. Levine could also do this as well. Vucic is keeping Giannis offensively,

even if you're worried about it defensively. But Caruso adds an element of all these different plays where even two of the biggest plays last night, it looks like the Bulls are going to blow this one. It went from an 18-point lead to a 3-point lead. But then Chicago responds to start the fourth quarter with a 9-0 run, a bunch of turnovers from the Bucs again. They've done a bad job of taking care of the basketball.

But then now it's 1-12, 1-09. So the whole time I'm watching it, I'm just kind of expecting the Bucs to win this game and figure it out because I think they are a much better basketball team. Reminder, though, Portis left the game in the first quarter. Middleton left with an MCL thing that I'm going to get to here in the fourth quarter, so he had played a bunch of minutes. Caruso was locking him up at different times.

But Caruso's just impact of a guy that's out there, it's almost like, you know, like those little rubber balls when you were a kid, and if you just had one and you just chucked it, you had no idea what it was, but it was going to impact stuff. Stuff was going to happen. And I would say with a rubber ball, it's not always positive for everybody that's involved.

But for Caruso, when he is out there, he has that kind of impact. Like, all right, he's out there. And now everybody else is going to have to deal with the stuff. But it always seems to be positive for the team that he's playing on. And as the Bulls are up 112-109, still time left, shot clock still on, DeRozan misses a shot, Caruso gets the offensive rebound. They ended up with another offensive rebound,

which is a weird play there because Connaughton went to foul DeRozan where DeRozan made the layup that basically put the game away and then Connaughton looked at the official. That was a mistake by Connaughton because the shot clock still was on because it only reset the 14. I think there was 23 left in the game clock and then Connaughton goes to foul. Probably should have gotten the call. Looked at the ref. How come you

didn't give me the call? It's like, well, the ref's like, you don't actually want that foul there. None of that mattered. It didn't mean anything. Final thing here on the open. We're not halfway through most of the series here, and we're already in an injury situation. Before every playoff series starts, not series, but season starts,

I'll go, look, three guys are going to get hurt that are significant people. They're going to probably change this. The favorite may still win, but it's going to change their path, whether easier or now more challenging. Between the Devin Booker hamstring thing, where now they're even with the Pelicans, the Middleton deal with an MCL where you don't know. Somebody can land wrong, it can look terrible,

and they're back immediately. I mean, Giannis, at one point last year, like, oh, there go the Bucs. Like, nope, he's superhuman, he's back. And the Luka lingering calf thing, although I do expect him to play in this series against Utah, that's three major components. Booker, who's going to probably finish top five

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So yesterday was a big day. Debo Samuel was inducted into the Hall of Fame. All right, I'm going to zagging on this. He's a really nice player. He's a tough guy. They did some stuff. They're creative. You and I both agree.

I can't wait to see 10 other teams try the same stuff. You're like, why don't we have a wide receiver catch a pitch? You know, the Wildcat was fun, but also sort of embarrassing for the league at the same stuff. You're like, why don't we have a wide receiver catch a pitch? The Wildcat was fun, but also sort of embarrassing for the league at the same time. Because you just knew people were like, holy shit. Should we be doing that?

You're like, yes, the owners. So I like Debo, but I don't know if I like him that much. And so this whole thing is kind of predictable. Your thoughts? Okay. I got a lot of thoughts because I've never seen a bigger disconnect in my entire life

than what people inside the league are saying about the wide receiver market. And this is a big picture. Let's pull back here for a second before we get into Debo in particular. The two biggest trends right now are that, number one, every GM thinks there's going to,

at some point, be a bubble burst because there are too many good wide receivers who are becoming available either in the draft or once month via trade or whatever the second trend is that every time a wide receiver takes the team name out of his bio he makes 20 million dollars like a month late it's really is there a guy ryan right now who's like a fourth receiver who took the team name out of his bio who's like, nobody's really noticed. This sucks. Yeah, Chris Hogan just like

out there going double eye emojis. Nobody's noticed. Okay, so I think Debo is an incredible player. I think his ability to break tackles is special. He's been doing that

since he was a rookie. I was in San Francisco to do George Kittle piece a few years ago during the Super Bowl season. And the whole thing was about Kittle breaking tackles. And there were people inside that building, inside the league who were like, dude, Kittle's amazing. But like, look at Deebo Samuel. He might be one of the best from a receiving standpoint, might be one of the best tackle breakers that they've ever seen. He was doing it at South Carolina. He'll continue to do it.

It made sense what Kyle Shanahan was doing with him last year. 80 snaps in the backfield, second most in the NFL for a wide receiver last year. I think that the backfield stuff has been overstated as far as what that brings to his value.

If you just played him a wide receiver and let him be a one-man wrecking crew, he'd still be really good and probably worth a lot of money, worth over $20 million. Having said that, Mike Renner did a study based on his rushing efficiency

and said if he had Jonathan Taylor's workload, the Debo Samuel would have had 2,100 yards, 43 touchdowns, and 111 broken tackles. That was the pace he was on last year if he if he had Jonathan Taylor's workload so he can do everything I think kind of what we were joking about a second ago every team said who's going to be our Debo Samuel and if he if Debo Samuel is actually available there's going to be a huge market for that okay look let me just say this. I like Devo, all right?

And going back to school, you're like, this guy was one of those dudes on a Saturday where it's like once he got the ball in his hands, you weren't quite sure what was going to happen. Based on the projections of what he would be, this reminds me a lot of a limited minutes front court player rebounding rate where I would see some of these efficiency numbers

for certain players, and a lot of it would be juiced up because the rebounding rate was absurd. And it's like, you know what? Your rebounding rate is usually hard to keep up when you're actually playing full time. So the Debo projections are cool, but if you actually had the Jonathan Taylor workload, I don't know how that would be sustainable the same way when a guy has an absurd rebounding rate playing 12 minutes a night and projecting that out playing 36. I just, I don't think it's the same thing. And I think it's a bigger picture thing with this trickle down effect that we've now seen

for the last couple of years. It feels almost just like two years with the NFL quarterbacks, perhaps mirroring what we've seen in the NBA, which is what, where this is all going, you know, more personal freedom, more demands on the employer. I mean, this is just kind of what we're in right now. It's not even just sports. But when you're a wide receiver doing it, you know, I don't know that it's the same impact.

Like if you get Debo and you're a 6-12 team, now what? And I think that we all know that and that's the rule for any, almost every non-quarterback position. I agree. but i also say that wide receiver is an interesting spot because kind of as i alluded to a second ago the the gms are saying at some point it's going to become not financially but sort of akin to the running back

position where you say i'm not going to pay 28 million dollars to this guy because i mean i think the ideal here for every front office is the Stefan Diggs trade, or you trade Diggs away, you get Justin Jefferson that same first round, right? That hasn't worked out for everybody. There are teams that have tried that strategy and failed, but there are teams like the Eagles who had to

take multiple swings before they got a wide receiver. It's not like you can just plug and play anybody, but the same is true of running back. But I don't think that teams are comfortable with just not a wide receiver. It's not like you can just plug and play anybody, but the same is true of running back. But I don't think that teams are comfortable with just one wide receiver. I talked to Dominic Foxworth about this yesterday, actually, where he was saying the problem is not that you can't find a wide receiver in any first round.

You can't. There's so many wide receivers. This is the golden age of wide receivers. It's that you need three of them. That's just how modern football works. And so to get a Debo Samuel, sure, but what else do you have? You can't just play

a two-man game with Debo Samuel. That's the concern from a team-building standpoint. Having said that, I mean, it's a totally different conversation. Debo has never made big money in his career.

If he wants to go to the Jets, let him. You know, he will, he'll probably not reset the market. He's not going to get anywhere probably close to the $30 or $28 million that have been going to Tyreek Hill and Devontae Adams. He's probably in the $25 million range. But I think there are teams that are going to take that risk because of all the things that he can do.

And now we're doing this whole thing about how it's not about money. It's about usage. I'm not really sure what that means exactly. He doesn't want to be a running back. He doesn't want to get those kind of carries. I guess I understand that logic, but I think that this is a money thing

and I think there's going to be plenty of teams that are going to line up to give him $25 million a year. Yeah, maybe. That still seems and I'm all for all these guys trying to figure out a way to get paid because I've always felt like if these guys, if there was no franchise tag and we got to real true true free market there would be way more guaranteed money and if deshaun watson

get a fully guaranteed thing which i'm sure and by the way how much has that pissed off other owners now realizing like wait like kirk cousins three years guaranteed pissed people off but now it's deshaun every single dollar is guaranteed but it also proves like i've always felt this way we've been conditioned for years younger whether it was kids watching it or our our parents be like oh it can't be guaranteed because all the injuries you just do it the numbers would be done differently the contracts would be worked differently but there's no reason why the top guys wouldn't get guaranteed money in a more open competitive market for free agents so i'm all for these guys getting all that stuff i just wonder what the deshaun one has had ripple effects where i imagine some owners are like you have to be fucking kidding me because now i'm gonna have to guarantee every dollar from my

qb okay but let's play devil's advocate here that was the same discussion was happening with kirk cousins and nobody really followed through on that um There was four years without another fully guaranteed significant quarterback contract. It's funny because J.C. Tretter, who's the head of the union, came out a couple of days ago and said, Hey, guaranteed contracts are not in any CBA. That's just the way the players have thought that out. Those guys love saying that, though.

Eric Winston said the same thing to me after the Kirk Cousins deal. That's what I was going to say. Demore said it to me. Yeah, it's the same debate over and over and over again that a player needs to go out and get that guaranteed contract. Well, the players have shown, whether that's Aaron Rodgers, whether that's Russell Wilson.

Remember, Russell Wilson hired a baseball agent and still has it because they were going to do a different contract. They were going to reset how the NFL views contracts. And then Russell Wilson signed his contract. And guess what it was? It was a normal quarterback NFL contract that paid a boatload of money but wasn't fully guaranteed. When Deshaun Watson emerges from a grand jury proceeding and has the most leverage in the history of football, considering what he got from the contract, considering the no trade clause that basically allowed him to pick his destination between what ended up being about five teams. And also the fact that Cleveland, in their desperation, guaranteed that money. The report was that Carolina didn't want to do that. So I think there are owners who are rolling their eyes at that. I don't think that owners are necessarily nervous about the Watson contract trickling down. I mean, Peter King had that report a couple days ago.

He thinks within a few years there's going to be a $100 million quarterback a year. That seems likely at this point um i don't think owners i think owners just understand the cost of having an elite quarterback and i don't think the watson thing really scared them all that much as far as guarantees i don't think the cousins is a good example though because i think the cousins thing they were they had such shitty cap numbers in the back end that he had leverage against his own team. The first guarantee was what started the first Minnesota deal, I believe, was three years, almost 90 guarantee.

I just think the structure of it is different than Kirk's. Maybe you're right, but it's going to be on the quarterback. But there's just a little bit less leverage in the NFL. And I'm glad you brought up the NFL. The Players Association loves to talk about oil. In baseball, it doesn't say it has to be guaranteed. You're like, yeah, but they all are.

You know what I mean? Except for that part. In basketball, it's like, oh, okay, so there's an option. That's different. So I would love for all the players to get more and more guaranteed money. I'd love it not to all just be the quarterbacks. Maybe the Deshaun thing changes things. So, you know, we'll see.

Maybe it doesn't because I still think certain elements that exist in the NFL make it tougher for that player to really, truly taste free market. I don't think it's interesting. I talked to Rick Spielman right after that Kirk Cousins contract. He was the GM of Minnesota at the time. He's since been fired. And I said,

why'd you do this? And he said, because somebody else would have if we hadn't. And Deshaun Watson is the only comparable situation where Cleveland had to guarantee that money

because somebody else would have if they hadn't. And that so rarely happens because of the franchise tag because when Aaron Rodgers renegotiated in whatever it was, 2018, he still had essentially like two years left in his contract plus whatever the franchise tag controls are. Unless more and more players start negotiating in no tag clauses

or you get to the Drew Brees zone where you've been tagged so much that you're basically untaggable, unless you get into that zone, you're never going to get in a situation where teams are going to be desperate to get you under contract. There's very little desperation in NFL front offices from that perspective because these things are planned out so far in advance. Yeah, I remember the Andrew Luck one going back. I'm looking at it again too. It was one 23 basically. And 87 was guaranteed. And you were like,

Oh, and I remember being on the air going like, if he were a free agent tomorrow, he would get one 50, one 50 guarantee, but it wasn't going to work that way because the tag. All right. The NFL draft is always,

it always feels a little bit different. If you watch a lot of college football, cause you'll just be like, well, wait, that guy's better than all those guys. In the NBA, I always feel like it has way more to do with age. History tells us you start drafting 22-year-olds all the time, you're probably going to be more disappointed.

That's why you're like, hey, that guy looks completely awkward and raw, but he's 6'10 and he's 18. I'll go ahead and take him. If one were way better than the other all the time, then that's what they would do. But in the NFL, I think we've seen some really, really productive players, but maybe at positions that just still aren't as prioritized. Is that fair? Yeah. Listen, I'm going to become the Joker if I have one more text argument with somebody

in the NFL about Jordan Davis, because I keep saying, and these are people who are much smarter than me, know way more about football than me, but I want Jordan Davis in my locker room. Like I want him on my team. He's huge. He eats up space. He's explosive. I saw this thing this morning that said he's not powerful. I don't know what you're looking at. Like he, Georgia didn't ask him to do anything other than kind of, uh, eat up people, create space, uh, for, for the guys behind him, not let guys get to the second level. Um I think that there's, with Davis,

he's really only a two-down guy at this point. Maybe he has the ceiling for much more when you look at his athleticism. But every time I say to someone picking in the first round, a scout, whomever, somebody in the front office, I'll just say, aren't you just obsessed with this kid?

They'll go, eh, well, I'd rather just have an edge rusher who's maybe a little worse but can play three downs. Isn't the point of football to have special people on the team and go from there? That to me is, and I'm seeing the same thing right now with this kid Devin Lloyd from Utah, where he's slipping down. And I just saw him mocked the Patriots yesterday.

Basically after pick 20 now is where he's being mocked when he was being at five the other day. I think that we're getting into a situation where all anybody wants to draft in the top 10 is tackles and defensive ends and corners, I guess. And I understand why you would do that. There's a contract value that gets put on some of these guys where it's just easier. Belichick, I think, started this where you really figured out what positions to take in the first round and went from there. And teams have caught on. But I'm starting to think, you've seen this with Kyle Hamilton, the safety at Notre Dame. Just take special people in the first round and figure it out from there. Take special people in the first round and figure it out from there. Like, someone said to me the other day they'd rather have Jermaine Johnson than Jordan Davis. I'm not sure I understand this. Did anybody watch the games?

Listen, I was in hell watching Jermaine Johnson against Miami. But I'd rather have Jordan Davis because he's one of the best athletes I've ever seen. And I'm worried that the positional value debate in the NFL is just teams kind of eating their own tail. Yeah. I think Kyle Hamilton's another example of that, but I still feel like any big safety that can match up with some of these tight ends and then also run and the anticipation, like anticipation is better than your 40 speed, really. Yes. Especially at that position. What I always thought was kind of funny was

it's my old first base thing where first basemen are the only ones arguing that first basemen are actually pretty good defensive players in baseball. And you'd be like, hey, we're not the worst. You'd be like, you know what? You might be a really good defensive player.

Your reaction time, you might be a great athlete. Maybe you played basketball in high school. Who knows? Maybe you swim. But of the four infield positions, somebody's going to be the worst. Okay? Yeah. Somebody's going to be at the bottom.

And it's third base, it's shortstop, and second base, and just first base is considered a little bit easier than those other ones doesn't mean we hate you um and then in the nfl it would be like well you know people start to prioritize guards a little bit more well because before that it's because tackles are really important and then having a smart center was important so that meant yeah guess what like the guards came in third and so i don't know that there's some kind of shift where it's like, ah, you know, I started to prioritize safeties and guards a little bit more, but it still feels like, yeah, okay, that's cool. You can say it that way, but it doesn't really mean that all of a sudden

guards are going to go over tackles and corners are going to be behind safeties. I agree. I also think one funny thing about the additional value debate now is that I see this with Tyra Linderbaum out of Iowa, who everyone says is amazing. Maybe he's a little bit undersized according to some of the scouting reports I've looked at. But then you'll hear these draft picks be like, you know what? You can pencil in Tyra Linderbaum to start for you for 10 years. I've got him mocked. And then they'll go, I got him mocked at 31. Wait, wait a second. This guy's going to start for you for 10 years and you got him going 31? Like what happened there? Like why can't we bump him up a little bit here? I saw someone had him at the beginning of the second round the other day.

Like this is, it is a really strange, the other tropes that I'm honing in on, I've noticed this over the past like month. This used to be few and far between. Now it's every single podcast. And this is not pundit specific. If there's anybody who's basically not a quarterback and has a little bit more athleticism than they're used to, the pundit goes, if I'm a GM, I better ask my coach to have a plan on how to use this guy. It's like, what were we doing for 30 years before this? We would just tell the coach five minutes beforehand that we were going to draft this guy?

That to me is like, there's this whole thing now where it's like, you got to have alignment between the GM and the coach on how to have a plan for this guy. I think it's a very funny place where we're at right now between kind of modern front offices, old school scouting departments, and then kind of the new age of athlete. The Patriots, there was a Patriots scouting director the other day who talked about how they're having to adjust to the fact that the colleges are giving them something different. They have different system fits now because of a guy, a guy like Devin Lloyd was probably not a system fit 10 years ago,

but he has to be now for the Patriots. So it's interesting time for a draft A guy like Devin Lloyd was probably not a system fit 10 years ago, but he has to be now for the Patriots. It's an interesting time for a draft because of all these things coming together. I think that's why we're going to see more and more aggressive GMs not caring about that specific type of positional value. I know everybody's been waiting for it. Let's get to it. Seré feliz, ma di più essere sano. Golazo, golazo, golazo! Continued economic responsibility demands restraint in government expenditure.

And last year we achieved the largest ever recorded reduction in the budget deficit, 1.5 million. Kevin Clark is kind of the F1 guy now. I mean, you always were. You were the first person to write about it, I think, for The Ringer. Tell us about the new podcast and let's go abroad here because it's been too long. Yeah, it's called The Ringer F1 Show. It was born out of going abroad. We will never lose going abroad.

That's why we're doing it right now. I feel like we've lost a little bit. No, we're back. We're doing it right now. We're in the midst of going abroad. We will never lose going abroad. That's why we're doing it right now. I feel like we've lost a little bit. No, we're back. We're doing it right now. We're in the midst of going abroad. And you've been on it. We did a Drive to Survive recap. You will be on it, hopefully, going forward. It's really taken off. It's one of the great joys of my professional life

that this kind of randomly found an audience. I did not anticipate any of this stuff. We wanted to do... I just said, I was like, I'll do a race, basically preview every week before every Grand Prix. So that was 22 episodes.

And then the numbers came in and we're like, well, okay, cool. This is just a second full-time job now, which is fine. I really enjoyed it. If there was anything I could draw up, it would be that. And so it's been really fun.

We have Imola this week in Italy. Ferrari has the chance to really run away enjoyed it. If there was anything I could draw up, it would be that. Um, and so it's been really fun. Uh, we have Imola this week in Italy. Ferrari has the chance to really run away with it. Um, and I'm, I, I think this is an inflection point in, in the F1 season.

And then we have Miami in two weeks. And that I think will be a new level of F1 fandom in America. All right. Let's, uh, recap where we're at then three in with, uh, Italy coming up this

week. So 20 races to go. Still some time. Yeah. But man, do the Pranson horses look like they have the pace this season. That's Ferrari. Leclerc's two wins in to this.

I know I want to get to Max. I want to get to Mercedes. Maybe even a little McLaren. Haas. Plucky, plucky competitiveness. I'm George Russell from Mercedes. But the story starts with Ferrari and Leclerc, who a lot of people just thought was actually this talented of a driver.

So what's so different right now from Ferrari and the rest of the field? The car. So Leclerc pushes back and has pushed back very forcefully on this idea. I believe some media in Italy dubbed him Leclerc 2.0. And he said, no, wrong, incorrect. Been the same guy. Now I have the car. And I believe him because he's always been a really talented driver. He gave it to Max. He and Max in karting days really went after it. And that's why I thought this was going to be an emotional

type of title chase because they have such history because they've gotten they've had this really great YouTube rabbit hole where you can see Leclerc and Verstappen get into it when they're like 12 years old and Leclerc just says, it's a racing incident when they get into an accident.

But Verstappen Verst. But Verstappen Verstappen Verstappen is not up for it because the Red Bull car is not up for it. He finished 19th after having to remove himself in Bahrain.

He did not finish the race in Australia. He won in between that, but he is 46 points adrift of number one right now. And already this would be a top 10 comeback by points in the history of Formula One. And so this emotional charge title race that we thought we were going to get, we're really not going to get it. And Ferrari, unless they take a deep dive. And I saw Lewis

Hamilton said this last week, and I agree with him because he's a hell of a lot smarter than me. Championship cars at the top tend to develop at the same rate. And so there's this, around now in the season, people say, well, Mercedes

could just get a couple upgrades and then they'll be right with Ferrari. Well, Ferrari is going to develop too. Mercedes is better at developing, but not like this. Mercedes car has been really, really problematic. The porpoising.

So if you don't know what porpoising is, basically the cars now are going up and down in the front like a porpoise and hitting the ground. And that's causing a whole host of problems. One of those problems,

according to Red Bull, is that the fuel delivery system keeps getting knocked offline in some way. And that's why most of the Red Bulls reliability problems are happening so often. It's a fuel problem, not an engine problem. And Helmut Marko, who runs Red Bull,

basically said that that problem should be fixed. But I don't know, A, if it's fixed, and B, if that's going to be enough. Because Ferrari's had porpoising stuff too, and they seem to be fixing it every single week. So, the long and the short of it, if you haven't been watching, is that Ferrari, for the first time

in years, has a car capable of running away with the title. Mercedes is not up for it and red bull seems like they could challenge but they cannot right now finish a race that's the long and short right because max get the two dnfs but i mean he was p2 at both times and at one point i mean he was three laps from finishing second he was p2 uh in2 in Australia, and I couldn't believe that he'd stopped the car. I was like, he'd probably just ride that thing into flames, and then it caught on fire.

So I was kind of joking around, like watching it, being like, if anybody was going to keep driving the car while it may explode, it would be Max. So, I mean, Max is going to be incredibly frustrated that i mean one is just grab a podium just snatched from him and the fact all the points of just a p2 but i don't i mean i don't know there's 20 races to go but everything i was reading in preparation for this it's just funny how the f1 world and again this is me just dipping my toes into this very recently it feels like ferrari and Leclerc is like a foregone conclusion like it's just crazy like oh Mercedes isn't that good McLaren's whatever I mean they're better this year I think it's clear that Lando's the better driver than Ricardo I

don't know if you're there yeah are you were there with me on that one oh no I'm there I'm there yeah Lando's just been better and so like how is this going to happen Sergio's been good for Red Bull but I mean we're talking about a monumental I mean Ferrari's up 39 points the constructors already on this thing and we still have like question marks heading into the fourth race so I feel like it just seems way too early I guess I'm just so surprised by the reaction to it as if okay it's done we're just going to win this whole thing and there'm just going to win the championship. Well, George Russell was told after his podium in Australia

that he was in second place, and he said he literally did not believe it. That's where the title race is right now is the number two guy was like, wait, I'm in second? I thought somebody else was in second. And so I understand what you're saying where you look at the calendar right now and you see so many open dates and you say, okay, this can't possibly be decided.

But who's making up that ground? Not just in points, but in car, in driver, in reliability. I don't think Mercedes has it this year at all. No one from the best of the rest certainly has the capability to leapfrog anybody. at all. No one from the best of the rest certainly has the capability to leapfrog anybody. And I mean, the only thing that could happen right now is that A, Ferrari gets discovered doing

something illegal, which by the way... It's happening. They have. I mean, by the way, Christian Horner, if the only path for Red Bull is to find something illegal with Ferrari, Christian Horner is going to be thriving. That's going to be his element. Just looking around the paddock,

who's that? Is that legal? That is going to be him and his element, if that's the only path for Red Bull to win a championship, is finding something, some illegal part or illegal energy harvesting system with Ferrari. But I just

don't see any... The other option is they have some catastrophic technology failure, which I don't think happens in modern Formula One in this way at the top. And by the way, there have been three teams that have complained to the FIA about Ferrari and also Haas, which Haas is like, this is amazing.

People are accusing us of stuff now. Did you see what Gunther steiner said the other day well he says a lot of stuff so you'd have to be more specific so everybody is complaining about haas they're calling them white ferrari because sounds racist yeah i know um but they called him white ferrari because they had their a white car and they run a ferrari um but uh the uh the quote from gunther steiner was you have to work hard for envy you get pity for free that's good that's very good that's probably why he's still around the pad because you know what i mean when you watch him on the show you're like this guy's still in charge of stuff but you don't need go ahead

has is has is thriving and one of the things here is like this is what was supposed to happen and that it was the biggest regulation change in 40 years and when it happens it's like in any in anything when there are huge changes and we're going to see this in in nil in college football we don't know what the who will come out on top and bottom. I actually think NIL is probably overstated as far as how much it's going to change the sport and the power balance of the sport as far as the teams go, but you just never know

when there's a mid-pack team who's going to thrive under the new rules in any sport. I think Haas and Ferrari both did a good job of prioritizing this year in a smart way. Ferrari took a step back ever since basically they came to the secret agreement with the FIA after they were caught cheating a few years ago. And they said, we're going to focus all of this in 2022.

There were rumors last summer, Ryan, that Ferrari had figured something out. And they have. And I think that there are, it wasn't full-on Sassy Brown style tanking, but they knew that 2022 was going to be their year. And I think that teams like Red Bull, who prioritized last year, or even Mercedes, who I think they said they were prioritizing 2022,

but they clearly weren't doing a good enough job of it. I don't think that they had the right plan for these new rules. What are the major differences with these cars? So there's downforce now, ground effect. It's ground effect, which creates more suction under the car, grip on the track to pull it under, basically pull it down towards the track. That's the big thing.

The wheels have changed. So it's 18-inch tires now. That has changed a lot of things. And then there's a new rear wing on the car. So those are the three aerodynamic changes. And if you know anything about F1, a small little change can create so much difference. create so much difference. And the thing I always go back to in Adrian Newey's book, he says that at the beginning of every season, they get the Formula One regulations. And everybody looks at what the rules say. And the smartest people, including him, look at what they don't say.

And so when you start to look at, okay, we have ground effect, the floors of the car are going to be different. The ground effect is going to be new. You're going to get a ton of different interpretations. So a good example of that is there are now side pods on the car. So there's different side pods on the car, which means basically what the outside of the car looks like. And Mercedes decided to just not have them, basically. And I don't really know whether or not that's a cause of their problems. I don't think it is. I think it's a power problem

for them. But you're seeing extremely different interpretations of all these different rules throughout the paddock. And that's why there's so many different outcomes relative to last year. Let's go back to Mercedes. As you mentioned, the standings here with Leclerc being first, George Russell second. And we know his story coming over from Williams. And that was the guy they were going to replace Valtteri with. And he's been terrific so far. And I was reading stuff about like, hey, look, he's had a bad car for a while. And now he's in a mercedes even if diminished mercedes compared to the top of the field i don't know if i'm reading into this too much or just the drama of the hamilton

role but this is i mean this is hamilton's team everything has been about hamilton forever and i felt like in australia granted hamilton complains no he has his his pithy commentary to the pit when something doesn't go right he blames the pit all the time. I mean, Max complains about fucking everything too, so it's not like this is unique to Hamilton. A lot of the top guys are just... It's probably a little stressful driving these cars around and hoping to survive it as well. I don't know if you picked

up on this. I could be totally wrong, but I almost get the sense of Russell coming out ahead of Lewis in Australia, and then Lewis was checking back in with his crew, and they were like, no, Lewis, this is what you're going to do. And then he's like, oh, you guys really fucked me on this later on. It felt a bit like, so wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Is this all about me still, or are we perhaps? I mean, it's just sort of the way it played, and that's how the crew explained to him like look this is the breaks this is how it played out but i i maybe again like i said yeah it just felt a little bit like wait are we does our priority perhaps shifted a tad here with me because i'm lewis hamilton that's not going to be cool. Okay. Two things. Number one is that he said afterwards, so he said that that comment

that you've put me in a bad position comment was about the engine overheating. I don't know if I believe that necessarily, but that was his. It's not how it sounded. It's not how it sounded at all. That's why I'm even bringing this up, but I'm not trying to accuse him of anything. It's not what we're used to after years with Valter.

I agree. But let me put you in Lewis Hamilton's shoes here for a second. He just got, what, five months ago? Got finished with the most emotional F1 title race in years. In my history with F1. Yeah, your history. So, I mean, I put Nico Rosberg, you know, 2016. I put that in the mix there.

Before that, obviously, you've had some last day, last race, sort of F1 up for grabs, title chases. But when you consider how with one lap to go, it looked like he had it in the bag. When you consider the comeback he had over the course of last summer, when you consider

the rivalry between he and Max and Red Bull and Mercedes, and Toto Wolff showing up in a roll-neck sweater and saying everybody has a target on their back, the expectations for him were so high that I think that he's looking at everything collapsing around him and saying, really? This is happening this quickly? We're going to have no chance?

We're going to have no chance to do this? I mean, imagine if Georgia caught up with Alabama last year, right? Finally, finally got to the mountaintop. Nick Saban's probably pissed off about it. Bryce Young is probably pissed off about it. If Alabama starts 0-3 next year after putting Georgia as their target, that's going to be an emotionally draining experience. And that's how I kind of view Lewis Hamilton right now is I think that he was ready. Remember, there were retirement rumors for Lewis in December. Oh, does he want to come back because he felt so screwed by the FIA? The rivalry was so heated. Maybe he doesn't even want this in his life anymore. And then he comes back to prove that he's the best driver in the

world, the best driver of all time take shumi's records and what happens he just doesn't have the car for it i'd be pissed off too i'd i'd get to a mazapan comment here but they seized his villa i don't want to i don't want to get his bill is up for grabs now That guy sucks He just He sucked in the show and every quote I read from him He continues to suck The Drive to Survive did a Really bad job of trying to make him

Look relatable Yeah but I think he did it to himself Like there's certainly editing But like when schumacher when they edited it that way and who knows maybe it was just tv and mazapan like the only reason you're on the team dude is because your dad all right and schumacher is him and schumacher could be the dick and he seems he comes off maybe it's editing but he comes off as the greatest guy ever totally gets it doesn't carry the last name around like a badge access to everything

and then they're like hey we need to take these photos and mazapin's like well you can come to me okay all right all right last one um checo in promotion for the miami grand prix drove over the Dolphins logo in the stadium. How mad are Celtics fans? Yeah, I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I don't think Dolphins fans

are going to get that upset. Okay. Dolphins fans are different culture. Different culture. Why aren't you coming to Miami, Ryan? Basketball Wait are you doing On site stuff?

I don't know if I'm doing on site I don't really know what the layout is I'd like to do something Like I'd like to I'm not going to do like a live pod At some point I'm just going to be like The easiest thing to do is just a day out. Just be like, hey, I'm going to be in the parking lot.

We'll send out the bat signal. If anyone that's real is connected to the F1 deal in Miami, reach out to us with a life advice email, which means now we're going to get fake ones, but whatever. We'll see what we can do. You never know. Every now and then,

somebody will hit me up with something. I'm like, wow, this seems really interesting. I've see what we can do. You never know. Every now and then somebody will like hit me up with something. I'm like, wow, this seems really interesting. I've got some I've got some possibilities for you. Okay. All right.

I don't think I can do it. I don't see how there's any. I'm going to be I'm going to be there credentialed and and doing stuff for the ringer. I'd like to be able

to connect with with listeners of of your show and the F1 pod and the NFL show and all that stuff. I just don't know logistically how that's going to look. I'm not going to rent out an ale house.

Oh, will you wear a funny outfit day of the race? Sure. What did you have in mind? Like a seersucker and a top hat? Yeah. And then guys will be like... Just try to import Kentucky Derby culture in? Yeah, just something.

But like, maybe not that then. Yeah, it's a little too Derby culture in? Yeah, just something. But maybe not that then. Yeah, it's a little too Derby-ish. What if you went like parachute pants and a breakdancing jacket and a visor? It's going to be pretty hot, dude. It's Miami. Yeah, but I want you to have a really, really specific look. Just so people go, wow, this guy's really into F1. Yeah. Yeah, that's how we'll know parachute pants but if it was all what if it was all like fire retardant like clothing or

something oh yeah yeah yeah that's what i'm kind of i'm just trying to think we're workshopping this we're just talking out loud all right and then you wear a bike helmet and you chew gum or maybe maybe a Burt Reynolds vibe toothpick. And then people are like, hey, are you Kevin? You'd be like, yeah, it's race day. And that's all you tell people. You'd be like, you're really into this. You just go like, what?

Like, yeah, I'm into it. What are you talking about? You're just disgusted with anyone suggesting like, whoa, so you really like F1. Just go. What? I have a family member who's a really big Notre Dame fan. And I used to go to Notre Dame games with him.

He went to Notre Dame. And if people would ask non-Notre Dame questions, he would get really annoyed. He would just be like, I don't know. I'm just trying to focus on the game here. like people would offer him a beer like tailgates he'd be like i you know i don't want to i gotta get my head clear wow that guy he sounds awesome you should bring him to the race no he's actually like he can't have a beer before the kickoff at a tailgate because he is focused in the game that he's not locked in he's locked in well could

he have a soda was it an alcohol thing because playing. Dude, he's locked in. He's locked in. Well, could he have a soda? Was it an alcohol thing? Because that's fine. Yeah, it was an alcohol thing. He wanted to lock in. Oh, so he just didn't want to be hammered during the game. Yeah, I get that. First fish show I went to.

I just wanted to see the notes, man. Just lock in. They were like, are you going to get high? I was like, high? I'm already high. Just I'm high on attendance vibes. Okay. Good stuff.

Kevin Clark, F1 Ringer Show. What days it come out? Every Wednesday. And then on Sundays, we will have recaps, quick recap. And we're gonna do it on Spotify Live and we take listener calls. And it's really cool.

Sounds good. All right. Rev your engines. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolet what's up i have a ridiculous house in the south fork i have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids i am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required life advice is life advice rr at gmail.com. We're going to spice

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you know, I have issues with the stress test component of the show. So we're going to talk about this stuff. But what we want to do is life advice that's bar related with a guy that's really doing it. Maybe you have a bar that's struggling. Maybe you have a bar that's awesome and you don't want his help. Maybe you want to ask him about the pirate episode. Who knows? But if you have a

bar specific bar rescue life advice question, just put that in the title of the email. Lifeadvicerrgmail.com so that way kyle can sift through those um we're also going to have a nikki glazer on comedian female and that's going to kill two birds with one stone because she's pretty vicious but maybe we'll do some life advice relationship emails with her and also some stand-up comedy stuff we should pitch her some

jokes i should bring that back i was i was telling kyle i wonder if this will go as well as the uh nate bargazzi one i don't think i could do that with my camera on which i'm glad that we don't usually we kind of bow out for that i don't think i could have my camera on watching you pitch jokes to an like an established comedian i think that was i don't know what my face looked like during the bargazzi thing but i guarantee i wouldn't want it on think that was... I don't know what my face looked like during the Bargatze thing, but I guarantee I wouldn't want it on camera. It looked like I was in pain. By the way, now I'm definitely doing it.

I'm trying to think. This would be like what if... That would be like Jon Taffer pitching you sports segment ideas. Would you be open to that? I don't think there's any way I would want to do Taffer sports segments yeah so I'd be shocked he's probably like hey let me leave the comedy to me dude I can't work it together

so now you're gonna do it so that's great yeah I think it's so bad that I now I want to do it I mean face that sucked it was the worst time it. I mean, Bargatze's face, that sucked. It was the worst time. It's one of the worst times I've ever had. You tell he's a real nice guy, too. I don't know. I think

he's, I think Nate's a nice guy, but I think he's a little bit like, and I don't think he's afraid to tell you to fuck off a little bit. I don't think there's, I think there's nicer guys. There's definitely nicer guys. Yeah. But I think he tries to be a nice guy is what I mean. Like, I think he really tries to be a nice guy yeah i'm not saying he's a dick but i could just tell like his face he was going uh like it was it was the epitome yeah if his face could

have said something it was i don't want to do this and you're just disappointed you know he's like i didn't think ron would go there you know i didn't think he was one of those guys and then you were one of those guys yeah well that you were one of those guys. Yeah. Well, that's kind of what we're doing. We're doing it for the audience. So it should be great. Look forward to that. She's going to be brutal. She's going to be meaner than he is.

Better start working on my material. Did you ever notice that when So I was talking to my therapist the other day. Did you ever notice that when... So I was talking to my therapist the other day. Jesus. I may make him awful.

That's just a deflection technique, I think, for you. No, they're supposed to be bad. I'm telling you. Meanwhile, he's going to sneak the one good one in there and be like, oh, but's like wait hold on number two was good man where's actually a good strategy i set the bar real low and then have like a decent one in there and see if that pick up hoops one was great what do you think um what do you think will happen though she likes one do you think like i'm gonna go oh wow that was awesome what's the best case

scenario like she uses it in her next like stand-up special that's not really what the goal is here i think it's to get like three of my roommates from college to just be cringing while they're listening to it because they all hit me up after the nate thing and they were like we actually think you're funny but that was awful man and i went okay good like yeah all right noted okay i will be better your roommates from college and Kyle will be cringing alright here we go this one's sort of a quick one I don't know

hey guys checking in central Nebraska he gave us his name we'll leave it out 62505 Max Squat sick depth teaches he's a teacher sounds like this guy's a pretty beefy stout teacher all right um i come up with a very odd question so i'll try to lay it out as best i can in the summers

i obviously don't have school uh so i work for the city at the local cemetery i know how weird it sounds but it's actually a pretty dope uh gig so uh some of this stuff isn't adding up. Why would he say it's a pretty dope college gig when he's a teacher? Whatever. Basically we just mow. Is he a teacher? Is he like a gym instructor?

No, he's a teacher. He's a teacher. Maybe he's saying it's a good gig for college guys, but then it's a good teacher gig whatever yeah buddies that work at seasonal what can you say teachers and college kids seasonal work back up wait a minute you had multiple friends work at cemeteries yeah a couple of them actually i think they were just like digging graves you know not like by hand they would have like you know the what is it the dump truck truck thing. It was like scoop it out.

Yeah. And just kind of scoop it up. And they work a lot of nights. It was, yeah, I don't know. Kind of weird, but they enjoyed it.

I like working outside. There's something to be said for it. Digging graves. It's a summer thing. You know, I wouldn't have picked digging graves if there was like a multiple choice, you know, I'd probably pick other,

I'd probably pick other before. If like C was digging graves, I definitely, definitely wouldn't pick that. But I'm sure there's things you find that you like about it. I mean, you could dig foundations. It's not like they're part of the funeral processions. They're just digging graves and they're out.

There's no emotional attachment to it. That's a good point. Hold on. Maybe if it was option C, I would take it. I don't know. I'd have to see what A and B was. I feel like I'm not even on the podcast right now. All right.

So I've always been a big fan of yours. Listen to every pod. And now I'd like to state that I listen to my headphones eight hours a day, every day. All right. I get to a point where I was so locked into your pod that I would watch games and take little notes. Just try to see if I could argue any of your points you'd be making in the next pod. It sounds super fucking weird, but it was actually sick. Anyway, I'm not working this

summer due to my massive gambling profits during March Madness. I still love the pod, but I'll admit I'm not as locked in as I once was. Now comes my problem. I can no longer watch basketball, which I'm trying to pick out every little detail that I think Rosilla will point out. I can't fucking enjoy the games anymore because I'm constantly worrying about the shit I don't care about. Thoughts on how I can fix this. Thanks. Welcome to watching games for a living, except you're not getting paid for it.

So that's, unless your gambling profits are all based on your knowledge, so then just keep doing what you're doing. Don't do that. Just try to find a way to stop. I don't, I'm not telling you to stop listening to the podcast, but trust me, that's why I've enjoyed other sports sometimes, because I know I don't have to not telling you to stop listening to the podcast but trust me that's why i've enjoyed

other sports sometimes because i know i don't have to have takes on any of it like i watch all the games last night and the whole time i'm just crafting out like what would be interesting here what could i do there i don't even think i necessarily even had that it wasn't the most interesting open i've ever done certainly today but uh the only thing I can compare it to on a newer level is that once I started trying to write, now when I'd watch TV shows, it's completely different. It's completely different. And I kind of just miss watching a show, but now I can't because I'm such an artist. So, you know, it's challenging. This definitely come up with a better hobby than this because we're never going to talk. This is it. This is the end of our communication. You and we're never going to talk this is it this is the end of our communication you and i are never going to talk so now you're you're like you're there's not even really an art

what's the benefit what's the benefit of you going oh i found something he's wrong about because i took down this note or hey i guessed right on this thing that he was going to do i just think there's better ways to spend time there's no way you could channel this into something good though i'm trying to think like you know i guess he could start his own pod it's pretty tough these days yeah go for it dude i mean you can try it out at least at least use it somewhere um but i don't know if he's killing gambling i assume it's working in some way so i could say if you're making money you're halfway do it yeah hey he's got the summer off you spend all your time gambling and then making a podcast that no one listens to it's gonna go great i don't have any thoughts i just i'm upset this wasn't

a grave digging related question so i'm done yeah i'm out yeah i don't i don't really have a lot there i you know i i get what he's talking about though like i don't watch games with the same anticipation and escape from everything else i mean that hasn't been going that hasn't happened for 20 years i mean and again i have a good deal and i'm not i'm not complaining about it but that that window of oh my team is playing the red sox are playing the blue jays i can't wait and this is all i'm doing and then i get to just watch it and enjoy the ups and downs that's just not what it has so then then you don't do this for a job and you're you're doing it to predict i don't know maybe you probably start a twitter feed future rossillo takes and as the

game then you live tweet it nobody's gonna follow that though that rossillo memes guys you know i think they've tapped out at a couple grand now there's that he's almost at 10 grand i think isn't he he's doing all right i probably should just say 10k i don't know why i said grand and then yeah i don't know either and i followed you yeah it's kind of weird yeah very weird you're right though i think that's why i've gravitated towards watching more soccer because i don't although now i guess i do give takes on it but uh it was just like yeah i could just watch this and enjoy it whereas like the nfl back in the day you're like uh i'm every sunday you're watching the nfl going all right like what's the show going to be on monday like all right what who we want to do for guests what are the main topics and you're like, every Sunday you're watching the NFL going, all right, what's the show going to be on Monday? All right, who do we want to do for guests?

What are the main topics? And you're just like, I'm not even really enjoying this anymore. So I would definitely not recommend that if that's your life, but if you're not actually getting paid by that. So, I don't know. Maybe detox, dude. Detox in the regular season, maybe. I don't know. So you're telling people to not listen to the podcast?

Maybe that guy should take a month off. No, no. From his sports thing. From his sports thing. From his sports thing. I say you keep, I think he should, we could survive losing a guy for a couple months.

That might be what he needs to do. Reset. Recharge. Jump right to life advice. Yeah, jump to life advice. Yeah. This isn't even

a life advice. This is more of a ruling, but it's a good one. Plain puker. Hey guys, 62.05, no real gym stats. Jokic, Jokic.

Jokic-esque postgame at men's league. So bad in the playoffs. A lot of guys say that. Everyone thinks they're Jokic because they don't have a vert. I'm one of those guys. Don't worry about it. Yeah, but you're not calling yourself Jokic-esque, are you? That is true.

The Jokic thing is so really, you're like him. You're the best passing big of all time. Just zinging into the corners blindly. Triple-double machine at the Y. I'm a lot like a KG, just a little less offense. Recently, my wife and I enjoyed a week in Sedona for vacation. Our return flight was Phoenix to Boston, five hours. Packed major airline.

I was in the aisle seat. Wife in the middle. Stranger. Window seat. Immediately after takeoff, our window seat companion started vomiting into his bag, barf bag.

He proceeded to fill the first bag. Then a second one, prior to asking my wife for the barf bag located in her seat back pocket. He then proceeded to fill a third bag. Can't blame the guy for getting sick. It happens to the best of us. This guy was flying to Boston and he has this kind of attitude. They must have relocated from

Glen Ellen or something. Just visiting. Yeah. What has stuck with us though is he never got up for the remaining four hours of the flight. He did not wash up. He did not throw away the three bags of puke. Come on. He had two airline cup servings of water and slept it off the rest of the flight. What's the etiquette here? Hand the barf bags to the flight attendants? Get up to wash up and dispose of the evidence in the bathroom?

Or did he know that the only remedy was to sleep this off and pretend this never happened? On our end, should we have pressed the issue? We gave one courtesy. Is everything all right? Do you need anything? To which you replied with a faint shaking of the head. Flight mask requirements help, but the stench was still a problem for a good chunk of the flight. We felt that he was in rough enough shape.

We felt that he was in rough enough shape and didn't want to stress his system anymore by making a bigger deal of this. But we did. with these bodily fluids in our row. Oh, yeah, that's a question. But did we sit with these bodily fluids in our row unnecessarily? Would love your input. Shout out to Saruti and Kyle. Oh, he lived in the same dorm as Saruti's wife.

Freshman year of college. Dun, dun, dun. Huskies, all right. Is that information out there, dude? What, that she went to UConn? The dorm she was in? I don't know. Well, I mean, she would,

I guess he knows her last name is Cerruti now. Maybe they're Facebook friends. I don't know. Let's just go with that. There are some questions here. I'm sure there's nothing weird about this. What's this guy? Money is more information after this. After we wrap this up. I'm sure know. Let's just go with that. There are some questions here. What's this guy? Money is more information after this.

Sure, there's nothing weird about it. Just wondering how he knew that, but whatever. Hey, slip me the email address real quick. I'm not one of those dudes. We're good. Yeah, I don't know. Is the puke story even real? Oh, by the way.

This is just like a long attempt to tell me that you know my wife all right cool not even he just knows that you guys are in the same dorm i don't mean yeah god you want to start on this one um yeah i i was on a ferry yesterday and um motherfuckers was just puking and i was having a real rough time uh we almost missed the boat. And so there was no ferry. The Catalina ferry. You did a Catalina day trip yesterday? Yeah, I saw your boy Leinert over there too. But anyway, we missed the boat.

There was like no seats. One nice lady was like here. There was like actually a pretty big table seat. There's a group of four of us. And they moved over. So we're like, oh my God, we finally got a seat inside. Everything's good. And it's right by the bathroom. We didn't even realize because the bathrooms were kind of tucked away. So there's just lines of people. It's like a 75 minute ferry

trip. There's just lines of people waiting to go to the bathroom and they didn't even start going to the bathroom until they were like going to puke. So there's just people puking like on the floor in front of our seats. And like, I mean, that's, that's unacceptable. Frankly, unacceptable. I say, go to the side of the boat, but I was going to say, yeah, it's like, when I say you have a free, should you address it? Should you address it? Yes.

Me and my buddy Jim were like, go outside. My girlfriend and his sister were there and they were like, don't make the feel bad. I was like, no, we're all in here. That's like, yeah, somebody is going to clean it up, but you still puked. It's going to be a fucking massacre. It's gonna be a bloodbath in here, that's like, yeah, somebody's going to clean it up, but you still puked. It's going to be a fucking massacre. It's going to be a blood bath in here if there's more people like me who smell and see and hear, and that's a good enough trigger. Especially

on an airplane, I would have told the guy, maybe you want to go at least get that stuff out of here. I don't really think that's a problem. I know you don't have to be embarrassed. You don't have to be embarrassed if somebody's like, hey, do you want to go get that out of here? What if you just have a baby that shit its diaper? You think hey, do you want to go get that out of here? What if you just have a baby that shit its diaper?

Do you think that's fine too, to just leave that the whole time? I don't think so. I don't know. I think smells and stuff like that, especially if it can affect you in a certain way, I don't think it's a problem. I think there's a way to address that without being mean and be pointing and laughing and be like, hey, look at this asshole. I think there's a way, there's a difference

in there, and I think you were totally within your rights to say something yeah these are easily like talk about an easygoing couple uh to just be like hey we asked but we'd like are we in the wrong here i mean look let's get to the core this guy was had a rough night out correct like probably was probably dying probably a young dude overdid it got on the plane and then was like i I don't care about anything until I just want to be back in my bed, back home. Maybe Scottsdale just got the better of him. Happens. I would still think after an hour of smelling vomit that you're within your right to either tap the guy and go, hey, we're going to i at some point i would go hey man i know you're dying get it not a big deal we're gonna have to update the system

though we're gonna have to we're gonna have to get the puke out of here you're gonna have to clean yourself up like i'm not i'm not fucking dealing with this for five hours man and i think you could have as he's passed out and he doesn't care if he's young and he's hung over that guy doesn't care about anybody, which is very clear. He also, you might have been able to say to one of the attendants, I know this sucks, but can we do a gloves into a garbage bag situation here where at least we throw this part of it away? And if he doesn't want to do that, like if he's that guy, you have to have more, I don't know, self-awareness. You're going to be a little bit more courteous. But again, if we're talking early 20s, super hungover kid flying cross country, he doesn't care about anybody.

And it's up to you to go. I'm not being a dick. I'm not saying I have no sympathy for you. But at the same time, like you can't just you can't have these bags of stink. I'm like getting nauseous hearing you say it that's it i'm done i just i'm not good with that and i think you can't assume people are so you have to just you got to go home you got to take your ball and go home at that point which in this case would be getting rid of the evidence and and washing up and apologizing i don't even

think you have to be courteous about it ryan i think you could just be like hey man like we got to figure this out this isn't this isn't gonna work totally yes like hey you think you have to be courteous about it, Ryan. I think you could just be like, hey, man, we got to figure this out. This isn't going to work out. You don't have to be a dick, but you got to go, hey, man, I didn't go back to sleep immediately, but you got to get the flight attendant. They have bags. They have the bio hat. Not a bio hat. I don't even know what it would be called.

They have shit to take care of that. Throw it in. Put it in the back. Then everyone's fine. You can pass out and everyone can go on their way. The idea that that stood next to them for five hours is actually insane. It's insane. Now, we got a good segue here, though, too, because the next one is about they call it mancation. We can get a branding of that a little bit later. But, you know, the college buddies, we try to pick a trip.

Eventually, I can go to most of them because I don't have any money. But there was I made two of the early ones. And one of my buddies from Boston, we were flying from New Orleans back to Boston. Everybody got an effort. Obviously I think we were like 22 and our seats were missed mixed up. I think I did told the story one other time before audience girls keep it moving. And he was dying. He was dying.

He was dying at the airport. He was, we get seats. He looks at me. He's like, dude, I'm not going to make it. I'm not going to make it. I'm not going to. And I was like, well, what do you mean? He's like, I'm going to make it i'm not gonna make it i'm not gonna and i was like whoa what do you mean he's like i'm gonna throw up i'm gonna throw up it's terrible so i was like all right whatever and he turned to the lady next to him and he goes is there any way my friend can sit here and then you take his

seat and it seriously i think was like a window for an aisle situation or something like that or maybe she was gonna get an aisle and he was gonna to go, whatever. The point was she wasn't going to lose out. And she was just like, no, I'm not changing seats. And it wasn't a bad trade for her. Let me just emphasize that again, because I was willing to trade so that he didn't have to sit next to somebody that was going to throw up the whole time that wasn't his college roommate. And it's just one of the funniest things ever because he gets super dramatic about things at times. And he just, he had his bag and he was getting ready to throw up and she's like no and she was being pretty uptight about the whole thing and he just turned to he's like you're about to have the worst flight of your life yes because he got mad he like snapped and he's like over his bag in his face he's like you're about

to have the worst flight of your entire life whatever something like that and then he just puking patty o'brien's pink hurricane red hurricane mix bag after bag of died the whole flight and i'm just cracking up next to him i'm laughing so hard so all right mancation 39 61 260 college buddies and i take a yearly long weekend trip called Mankation. I love it. One person is tasked with planning the trip, purchasing plane tickets, lodging, and normally an event. So when you show up to the airport, you have no idea where you

are going. Oh, come on. We do provide a rough packing list depending on weather, but normally in the summer, it's a summer deal, so it's not a big deal. First of all, I cannot fathom guys at 39 years old still signing off on something that's a great sign of your group for friendship it's not a criticism it is envy but that is i can't believe guys with wives and families if you had said 23 yes 29 39 i can't believe this i can't believe this. I can't believe it. 39.

One person pays for the entire trip. Every time. That's what he's saying? One person tasked with planning the trip. I thought like one. He said purchasing plane tickets, but I think basically he's fronting the money for everybody else.

This is a low-key group. We keep the budget low. Clearly, you guys are very low-key. Only meaning that everybody signed off on this. There's no fucking way I would ever show up to an airport now with my buddies being like, you have no idea where we're going, buddy. You have no idea of the accommodations. It's going to be on a budget, Rosillo.

You're going to love it. Although now, I'd probably be like, yeah, I'll go now. Let's do it. Yeah, I don't do anything. Cat skills. Let's do it. Do you guys have room for an extra? Look, one of my friends, well, I'll save this because I know where this is going.

All right. So the only issue is we really haven't kept up with inflation. And the cost is $825 per man. So they're keeping it $825 for flights, lodging, events. And they're trying to keep it at $825. So this plays into it perfectly, trying to figure out what are your options for $825 per dude. We're all flying out of the Southeast.

Most can fly out of Atlanta. Normally, that will help with cost. It is less about going to Vegas, New York, and more about how you can make the budget work. Now I don't. I need a movie about this. I like that you guys do it. I would never want to

do this. Kind of working backwards. I guess it's what they're saying. It's getting more challenging every year to figure it out. So this year is mine and I've settled on Hartford, Connecticut. Whoa! Was there last night? Mostly because we can afford

it. So as soon as he said Atlanta and direct flights and cost, he was like, where can we go from Atlanta? Hartford. There are direct flights from all the cities and there's a fish show on that Sunday night. All right. Okay.

So that makes a little bit more sense. I could put a debt in the budget though, dude. There's no talking me out of it. The ship has sailed. We have a decent hotel downtown, flights, decent times and tickets to the show. What we need is advice on bars and restaurants, other things to do. We normally eat a steak dinner one night and always

try to find the best wing spot in town. The rest of the trip is essentially catching up over beers. Oh, man. I hate to break it to you, man, but it's not the spot to be. Don't do this, guys. Be positive. Don't do this.

No, there's cool... The people that come to Connecticut that are... If they work for ESPN or whatever, there's plenty of people that come from out of state and they're like, oh, this state sucks.

I don't know. There's stuff to do here. There's good food, whatever. Hartford, though, you have to kind of get outside Hartford. I would suggest you go to New Haven. So far, though. It's like half an hour.

It's 40 minutes. What's the nice steakhouse down by the capital in hartford i used to go there all the time capital grill yeah capital grill you can go to capital it's really good it's not that's not bad no capital is terrific uh i used to eat there i would go to west hartford though if you want to do dinners and you want to do some sit-down beers just go to west hartford center um you know it sounds like you guys are do dinners and you want to do some sit-down beers, just go to West Hartford Center. It sounds like you guys are pretty laid back. Pick any of the restaurants there, whether it's Treva, Brico.

You go to Barcelona. Yeah, you go to Barcelona. There's a Greek place that's there. Bar Taco is always fun. Bar Taco is fun. So there you go. I would hit up West Hartford Center if you're kind of hanging out during the day anticipation of the show um but i'm just saying like the bopping around of of nightlife in hartford it's going to be disappointing for just like you're you guys if it were a different musical taste perhaps i'd say you like hartford a little bit more. Fish guys. Hartford.

Don't. I don't see it. Although they might have the minor league baseball going by the time they get there. You can go to a Hartford athletic game. Went there last night. Shout out to the soccer team. Second division. Other stuff to do. It's just, you know. The slogan is Hartford has it. I'm just telling you right now to the

emailer, I don't know what the other trips were. But as I mentioned, my group where everybody who won, like if you won the golf tournament, you were in charge of then picking the next destination. So I won it one year with another guy. He was the golfer. It wasn't because of me. And we were like, OK, we haven't done Vegas yet. We'll do Vegas.

And then the guy who won that year picked Biloxi, Mississippi, and we've made fun of him for 20 years. Yeah, I thought they were going to say like Branson, Missouri or someplace like that. Like Hartford is even more random than that. There's just, it's just not a scene for tourism. Sorry. Mark Twain house?

Yeah, you could do that. I've seen the sign for it a million times. I've never been myself. What about Bushnell Park that's safe right yeah it's a park you know you've seen one park you've seen every park that's kind of my hot take oh all parks are the same

yeah I mean Yosemite might be a little bit in one park you've seen them all Yellowstone not a park guys no they're just like I don't know it's a park there's some flowers and trees you know you can sit down and have a picnic. It's fun. Hour 45 from Poughkeepsie, New York. If you guys do everything

in the first night, you know, head on down to the riverfront. Hour 45. Shoot on down. Question for you. Did you have a good time with Bill and Catalina?

Oh, you think I went with Bill? No. Thanks to Kyle and Steve. Again, specific life advice stuff coming up on the show. And Bill and I will be on Sundays for recapping everything that's gone on up to that point through the weekends.

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