The Ryen Russillo Podcast - CFB Conference Title Game Confidence Rankings, NFL Playoff Resumés, and Willie Colon on Niners-Eagles

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

Russillo opens the show with his confidence rankings for this weekend’s conference championship games and discusses how a committee would handle the NFL teams (1:00). Then, he’s joined by Super Bo...wl champion Willie Colon to break down Dak Prescott’s play, share his pick for 49ers-Eagles, and tell stories from his playing days (16:00). Finally, Kyle joins the show to make this week’s Alliance Parlay (49:00) before closing the show with some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (58:00). The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Willie Colon Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 Today's pod, all five Power Five Conference Championship teams ranked from most confident to least confident as I pick them all. What if the NFL had a four-team playoff? Who would the committee pick for the NFL? I'll give you my thoughts on that. Willie Colon on DAC and a bunch of other great storytelling, the Alliance and life advice with Vacation Kyle. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Winter is here, so be prepared and get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost anything? Well, you can't get a ski
Starting point is 00:00:40 slope, but dish soap, definitely doable. Sunshine, that's no. A bottle of wine, yeah. And a snow day, again, no. But blueberry muffins with the delicious crumb topping, total yes. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. This is what we're going to do in the open today. I'm going to give you my confidence ranking from most confident of the outcome to least confident of the outcome of all the college football conference games, power five. And then we're going to pivot that into with the final rankings coming out and figuring out who's actually in the playoff. And we could have a real, real challenging scenario for the committee. Let's look at the NFL to the point of this season,
Starting point is 00:01:22 put all the teams in the mixer. I'm going to rank them one through four and then first two out. All right? So we start in the Big Ten. I am most confident about Michigan beating Iowa. I think you should too. The spread on FanDuel Sportsbook right now, 21.5, Michigan's favored by. The most amazing number that may exist on any game you can bet this weekend is, do you have the balls to bet Iowa over six and a half total points? I've been
Starting point is 00:01:46 looking at the number all week. I don't know if you've seen it go anywhere else. I haven't seen it move. The pick of this game is just obvious. Michigan, how bad do they want to make this? I don't imagine, even if they turn the football over, there's some crazy Iowa stuff in here. We know that they're the last ranked offense in college football in yards per game. It's 247. And honestly, plug in the joke, surprise it's that high. The second worst team offensively yards per game is Kent State, and they're like 25 yards better than Iowa is. I also looked at this because I was going through the schedule again, which is not great because the Big Ten West, like this should be remembered. And granted, things are going to change here, but with the Big Ten West, never forget this year.
Starting point is 00:02:28 Never forget this year that this is what a Power Five division was like. So Iowa, the only ranked team that they played while they were ranked, and then ultimately when the season's over, the only team that ended up being ranked was Penn State, and they got shut out 31-0. They had 76 total yards. So I don't know how often this would happen with a Power 5 team, but basically Iowa did not score a point against a ranked football team the entire season and for a total of 76 yards. Now part of it's because of the schedule and then ultimately who they played and why they have 10 wins and why they're ranked 16th in the committee rankings
Starting point is 00:03:03 because you just start to run out of teams. As somebody who had to do it a couple years for ESPN.com, you guys get mad about the ranks. You're like, how is Tennessee still in there? Around 17, 18, you kind of start just running out of teams. And that's why Iowa is ranked as high as they are. But the fact that it's a 21 and a half point Michigan favorite in a Big Ten championship game tells you what everybody thinks of this one. So that's just a straight outcome. It's not the bet. All right? It's not the bet.
Starting point is 00:03:27 I'm that confident they're covering 21 and a half. It's just a straight pick. So number two most confident Big 12 championship game, Texas-Oklahoma State. Texas right now favored by 14 and a half. I think this one opened around Texas minus 12 and a half. So people have been on the Texas side. The last Big 12 championship for Texas. This can be a little misleading because you'll see like, man, it's been since 2009. But remember the big 12 got annoyed
Starting point is 00:03:49 that the extra game felt like it penalized their chance of being in the BCS a couple of times. So they didn't play it. They did not play this championship game from 2011 to 2016, Oklahoma state resume wise, like this is the best team they're going to play all season in Texas. It's not even debatable. And you can say, well, Oklahoma, like they beat, I know what you're saying, but I also think that, you know, that rivalry is another one of those games where there's just enough of these games that if you just keep watching, like, I don't know, something weird could happen in that one.
Starting point is 00:04:17 I mean, Alabama at Auburn is another really good example. When they play the Iron Bowl at Auburn, it just feels like what the hell is going on in this game? And I think that's what you have with Bedlam in Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. So Oklahoma State, though, they've got the UCF loss that was 45-3 three weeks ago. The South Alabama loss in September, 33-7. They had a great comeback against BYU after being down 24-6 to get overtime to get into this conference championship game. But Texas beat BYU by 29.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Ollie Gordon, the second running back for Oklahoma State, he is incredible. He's been awesome all season long, almost 1,600 yards, 20 touchdowns rushing, but he's going up against the best D-line that he's going to face all season. So that's why I have Texas as my number two most confident winner for this weekend. Number three, I'm going Georgia-Bama. Now, Georgia is favored by five and a half. It moved pretty quickly to six and a half. I think it's back now at five and a half. Depends on when you're going to listen to this. I didn't know where it was going to go. It could be because of the Brock Bowers lad injury
Starting point is 00:05:15 updates. I think they're questionable still at this point. There's also a scenario here for the committee if Bama were to win. So let's say Michigan wins and Pac-12 champ, whoever that is, I think those two are locks. Then Texas wins, Florida State stays clean. We'll get to that here. Is there a scenario here where Bama is then facing either Florida State in the argument as the SEC champ or Texas in the argument? Maybe the committee goes, that game was a long time ago, which seems incredibly unfair to Texas. Maybe the committee goes, oh, that game was a long time ago, which seems incredibly unfair to Texas. I don't look at Bama at 12 and one is one of the great Bama teams. I just don't.
Starting point is 00:05:54 And that has a lot to do with Milrow, who I thought was terrible against Auburn until the game winning touchdown. And so he scares the shit out of me in this game, in this spot. George's defense, we don't think it's the same names, but statistically, they're really good. I just wonder, would the committee actually leave out an SEC champ and have it be Bama? Have it be 12-1 Bama leaving them out? I know that sounds ridiculous, but if Florida State's undefeated and Texas has the head-to-head, and I think Michigan and Pac-12 champs are locks, I think I'd be okay with it. And I don't know that I ever would have thought that, that I'd be okay with it. Now, the other part of it is you have to remember it's when they're re-ranking all of this stuff after the conference championship games happen, think of it as this concept. There is a massive step back to look at the entire palette of the season of all these
Starting point is 00:06:36 teams and then just rank them again, right? That's kind of what they say they're doing. And we can get into the semantics of the four best and the most deserving and all this stuff. Maybe they have an out if Florida State wins a squeaker and they feel like, well, they don't have their quarterback, which again, as I say that, I feel gross even thinking that that's a possibility. I think I might be okay with the SEC being out if Bama were to get this game. But for the Alliance pick, I'm probably going to go with Georgia just because of Melrose. All right. Oregon, Washington. You probably thought that probably going to go with Georgia just because of Melrose. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Oregon-Washington. You probably thought that was going to be my most confident pick. It is my second least confident pick. I know what I've said because I've watched them both. I've given you the common opponents, the seven common opponents in the Pac-12. Washington's beaten by an average score of nine points. Oregon, same opponents. It's 27 points.
Starting point is 00:07:24 So you've already heard that stat from me. Washington, though, at least is dangerous enough on those deep shots where they can be inadequate in other elements of the game, but they're going to take so many I've seen it enough to go like, even when you think you're ready for it, you're not ready for it. Rome wins all of these absurd 50-50 balls. It's like DeAndre Hopkins to me. He might be quicker than him too. I'm picking Oregon in the game, clearly, but
Starting point is 00:07:59 there's enough of a Washington part of this where I'm like, man, the explosive plays. Then when you start looking up the explosive plays, here's what's kind of funny about that is Washington's number three. Guess who's number two? Oregon. Number one for those keeping track, LSU. The turnover part of this, if you want to start getting into the turnover conversation here, like Oregon takes care of the football on top of everything else. So if you were saying, well, what if Oregon turns it over a few times?
Starting point is 00:08:27 Well, they don't. Like Washington is much more likely to turn it over per game than Oregon is. Oregon is second best in protecting the football of any team in college football. Washington was 61st. All right, finally, the game I am least confident about
Starting point is 00:08:40 picking ACC championship game. Florida State right now favored by two and a half over Louisville. I know Louisville has lost a bit of the shine after losing their game against Kentucky. Here's what I think about Louisville. They are good enough to hang with most teams. They can win a shootout. We know the defense isn't going to be great, but they're going to find ways. I think they're going to be incredibly aggressive in this game against a Florida State defense that statistically ranks much better than Louisville. But even with the receivers, you're just not sure, like, is Florida State going to
Starting point is 00:09:10 trust a guy post Jordan Travis, who was six years of college experience, is probably one of the most trusted guys behind center in the entire country. Even if the stats weren't great, you were like, okay, at least we know this guy's got it and he's been around long enough that we're going to be able to trust him in this spot. I don't know if that's going to happen with Florida State in this one. And this is one I have literally no read that's going to happen with Florida State in this one. This is one I have literally no read on whatsoever. So least confident there with the ACC. I'll give out.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Let me just run through it quick. Michigan, straight up. Texas, I would think even with the spread, I wouldn't want to take Oklahoma State even with all those points. I'm going to lay the five and a half with Georgia. I'm almost tempted to take Washington plus the nine and a half, but I don't want to take them and then have people be like, well, wait a minute. Didn't you pick Washington in that game? Because that's what happens no matter what.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Somebody pays attention. So I'll just say Oregon minus nine and a half and give me Louisville plus the two and a half against Florida State. Now, what I wanted to do, because I think it's kind of fun, is if we looked at the NFL and the NFL season were over after this weekend
Starting point is 00:10:01 and there was a committee tasked with picking the four teams allowed to play for a Super Bowl, which wouldn't go over well. And whether the league or whatever, what were you debating? Hypothetical is never going to happen anyway. There's no point. So let's kind of go through who we think would be in the mix here. I think it's seven teams, Baltimore, Philly, Kansas City, San Francisco, Dallas, Jacksonville, and Detroit that are at least worth discussing.
Starting point is 00:10:23 San Francisco, Dallas, Jacksonville, and Detroit that are at least worth discussing. If I were to look at the resume stuff, again, let's try to treat the NFL like it's a committee here. Baltimore has a lot of things going for itself, but Baltimore, if you were going to dig into the wins, you're like, wait, do they have, like, what's their best win? Is it when they put Detroit on fraud alert after they smashed them 38-6? That's probably the best win. They got Burrow in Cincinnati the first time, but if you're in the room, you're going, well, Burrow wasn't really Burrow yet, and then they got him a second time when Burrow played almost most of the first half. Their losses, Pittsburgh 17-10, probably shouldn't have lost that one, an overtime loss to the Colts, which I didn't think was terrible,
Starting point is 00:11:05 even though we look at the Colts' record, whatever. And then the Cleveland ones were mistake-prone at the end. Now, if you were in the room, you could argue, okay, three losses. But again, these teams are supposed to go undefeated, even if they were favored in these games. But all of those teams that they've lost to would be playoff teams in the AFC today. So that would be another pro-Baltimore point. Combining that with Kansas City, if we were just focusing here on the AFC,
Starting point is 00:11:28 their worst loss is at Denver. Maybe one person in the room would be like, wasn't Mahomes sick? The week one Detroit loss, we've covered it a million times. No Chris Jones, no Kelsey. Their best three wins, Miami and Germany. Jacksonville week two, when we were like, wait, this defense might be pretty good. But if you were looking for a resume third win from the Chiefs, it's kind of hard to find. Bears, Jets, Minnesota, Denver the first time, the Chargers, yeah, maybe it's the Chargers, but that would be me being like, oh, Rasul, you always liked the Chargers, but it was a two-touchdown score. Maybe the comeback against Vegas, or would somebody say, why were they down 14-0?
Starting point is 00:12:11 Their third win is a little hard to figure than some of the other teams. If we go to the NFC, and don't worry, I'll get to Jacksonville here as well, Philadelphia, the record is hard to argue against. They've got three wins on paper that are tough to match from any other team in this conversation. Kansas City, Buffalo, Dallas, even if we feel like they were outplayed in two of three, I think Dallas fans felt like they were outplayed in that one as well, but I'm not going to do that. The worst loss is maybe worse than anybody else because it's the Jets. They were four turnovers in that one, minus four on the giveaway number for that one, but it's
Starting point is 00:12:42 their only loss. So if you want to look at that loss and go, well, that's worse than anybody else's loss and that's going to affect my seating. Well, yeah, except they only have one of them and the other teams have more. San Francisco, their good wins are really, really good because they're dominant. They destroyed Dallas early. They killed Jacksonville recently. They beat up on a Seattle team that Dallas just struggled with at home. You know, Pittsburgh even week one. Pittsburgh record, little misleading on that one, but complete domination. So we know when San Francisco is really rolling,
Starting point is 00:13:15 that's why I feel like they're the best team in the NFL. But does that matter in seeding when they went for a month there in October and after the Dallas win, they lost three straight. Dallas, number one in point differential in the NFL. Bad losses. We've got a few of them. Maybe just the harder part for them is the great wins. The San Francisco loss was so ugly.
Starting point is 00:13:37 The Philadelphia loss was a good loss, but the Arizona loss didn't really make any sense. And it's one of Arizona's only two wins. So maybe that's a worse loss than even the J Jets lost for Philadelphia. Their wins are bad. It's Giants, it's Jets, it's New England, the Chargers by three, the Rams, they doubled up on them, the Giants, Carolina, Washington again, and then Seattle, which I thought was just a really important game for them to be able to win that kind of shootout despite the defense. So we're going to keep going with this, but it feels like the last night might be their best win if you were in the committee. Detroit, they've got a bad loss. I don't think overtime
Starting point is 00:14:15 loss to Seattle is a bad loss by Detroit at all. Their bad loss is just getting destroyed by Baltimore, but Baltimore might be my number one overall seed here. Thanksgiving was frustrating, but it feels like Green Bay's figured out a couple of things here offensively the last couple of weeks. And if you're in the committee, you're locked into all the stuff week to week. So Seattle's not a bad loss in overtime at all. It's just the Baltimore one is so one-sided and they couldn't do anything offensively for like the first 30 minutes of that game. And that's when they got put on fraud alert, but then won three in a row, and people started putting Detroit back on number one in their power.
Starting point is 00:14:49 I think the Detroit flirtation with number one in the power rankings was prior to the Baltimore ass-kicking. Then Jacksonville is the final team that we'll even mention in this. Out of all the teams, they're last in point differential. Their loss is against Kansas City, which we covered on the Kansas City side of this. They lost to Houston. They were actually 1-2 to start the season, despite losing by 20 to Houston, which doesn't look great. Houston's far better because of Stroud than we thought. I thought that was a nice win by them
Starting point is 00:15:15 because that game could have gone either way most recently in Week 12, but they have their Detroit-Baltimore result by getting destroyed at home 34-3 against San Francisco. Strength of schedule stuff. Of all of the teams that we have in the seven here, Kansas City has the highest or strongest strength of schedule. Strength of victory. Baltimore, Kansas City are kind of close. Kansas City a little bit better of a resume.
Starting point is 00:15:39 The best strength of victory is actually Jacksonville of these seven teams. And the worst one is Dallas. Only the Giants, New Orleans, and Miami have a worse strength of victory number here. Want to get real deep into it and start dabbling some ESPN FBI all over the place? San Francisco is actually number one in this. Dallas is number two. Baltimore is actually fourth. Kansas City is behind them. You know who's number three? You're like, hey, where's number three? The Bills. The Bills are not eligible.
Starting point is 00:16:10 I might be like, hey, what if the Bills sneaky turn things around? So here's what I came up with. Feel free to debate it till death. Resume, eye test, all packaged together. I'm going Baltimore. Tougher conference. If the AFC is the SEC, what is the NFC? I don't know if I have an answer for that right now. Maybe the ACC. So Baltimore is my one seed.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Philly is my two seed. Kansas City is my three seed. San Francisco is my four seed. And first two out, despite the number one point differential for Dallas, That FPI loves him. The strength of victory can't do it. I have Dallas fifth, Jacksonville sixth over Detroit, who's mad they're not on the graphic. Nice win by the Dallas Cowboys last night. That's where we'll start. Willie Colon joins us, SNY and Fox Sports. What's up, man? Good to see you.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Always, man. Happy Thanksgiving. I know we're past that right now, but I didn't get a chance to say Happy Thanksgiving, so I'm going to say it now. I know it's a big holiday for you, so I respect it. It's one of my favorites. It's one of the holidays I take pride in not wearing underwear. I'm out there, loose.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Gobble, gobble. That's how I feel like you are. Your spirit is kind of like that. Are you an April Happy New Year's guy? What's the cutoff are you an april happy new year's guy what's the cutoff for you uh i stopped celebrating that uh april fools man when uh when a fat chick once told me that uh you know i slept with her best friend it was an april fools thing and i said it messed me up i don't know why it's a long story yeah i don't know how we even got there but thank you for the added color to this if anyone offended by that description
Starting point is 00:17:47 you're allowed to say it because you at times been on the heavier side right so hey lived in 300 land for a long time ever get to four close close and that's when i had to come to jesus moment i just put down the chips we talked about did you get any stronger at least that's the problem i could pack the muscle but the the muscle doesn't, it is, it's not, it's not conducive to the scale. Like it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, you know, you're getting big. I know most big guys can attest from like, I know I'm at my heaviest when like I start contemplating if I'm going to
Starting point is 00:18:18 sleep on the couch or in my own bed. It's just too much effort. I can't make it happen um i had a stat with you that i was going to share uh and i'll share it for you at the end we have we have a stat for you that i want to share stat of the day okay let's uh let's start cowboys because that was another great game from dac we know what the stats are we know what the offense is capable of i was not looking forward to a seahawks win where somehow people were going to sit here and re-litigate the legacy of Dak Prescott. But we know they don't have the resume as far as the wins are concerned. But I guess I'm just, I kind of want to see a little of a playoff run from him,
Starting point is 00:18:58 despite my own resistance to put him among the very top guys that show where his stats are. I also didn't want to see him catch shit all day today because they lost after giving up 30 or what would have been even more had they lost that game. Yeah, I think you're spot on with that, especially after he suffered that horrific loss against the Niners. You know, you talk about the punt, interception, interception, and then for like two weeks, because it led into a bye,
Starting point is 00:19:20 all you heard about was Dak being awful. Is he? Will he ever arrive? And how much the 49ers are a thorn in his side? I think last night gave me one indication that he's playing at a level of confidence that I don't think we've ever seen before. I think the best pass he threw was the one that was really an incomplete pass by C.D. Lamb. It was too high.
Starting point is 00:19:42 I think it looked like they dropped seven. And with this ultimate arrogance, he's just like, I'm going to fire this thing. where it was too high. I think it looked like they dropped seven. And with this ultimate arrogance, he's just like, I'm going to fire this thing. He fires it at CeeDee. He actually hits CeeDee in the hands, and he drops it. And I'm just like, this dude's got some cojones. He just sees the field.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Everybody's eating. And to go, you're talking about out of nine possessions, they score on eight of them, right? And I'm just thinking, like, I don't think I've ever seen Dak play like this. And I don't know because he has a baby on the way, and I don't know it's because Mike McCarthy's – you know, Mike McCarthy, the more they win, the fatter he gets, which I love, by the way. That just tells me he's having a good time, right?
Starting point is 00:20:19 Like he's enjoying the perks of being a Dallas Cowboys head coach. Like more barbecue, more wins. It all goes together. So I just love it, man. I just love the way and the fashion in which he's playing. CeeDee looks like a monster. Like even with the first touchdown that CeeDee scored on, it was like a double post.
Starting point is 00:20:37 They cleared out the first safety, and he just comes right across the face of the corner, and Dak just fires that thing. Before even CeeDee gets out of that break. And the timing and the rapport he that thing before he even, uh, CD gets out of that break and the timing and the rapport he has with this receiver, receiving crew. I just love it,
Starting point is 00:20:50 man. I think, and I'm not even a Cowboys fan, but I can honestly say they're fun to watch. Last night was just a fun game to watch. Now the defense has some serious issues, right? You give up 20,
Starting point is 00:20:59 21 points in the first half, forget about it. Like that, you can't win a championship looking like that. And for some reason, you know, I don't know if you, I know you pay attention to it, but it was, and I'm just pivoting quickly,
Starting point is 00:21:11 it's Chiefs versus Broncos. Broncos beat the Chiefs, and if Patrick Mahomes and the presser goes, I think they figured out a blueprint on how to beat us. Well, now I think there's a blueprint on how to stop Michael Parsons. Because the one play he jumped off the film was the one play that he didn't get
Starting point is 00:21:25 blocked on right like there at this time because you gotta figure he's 255 pounds now he's hella explosive he and I think he has like a 60% win rate uh one-on-one you know on blocks but nevertheless man you see him at times get caught up in the wash you see him at times if if the guy if a tackle or guard counters his first moves, he gets stagnant. He gets kind of derailed a little bit. But he's a monster, right?
Starting point is 00:21:50 You leave him 1-1, 9 out of 10 times, he's going to win. But last night, I thought he didn't. I was expecting him to pop off the tape a lot earlier,
Starting point is 00:21:58 especially in the first half, and he didn't. And that's what it was, man. So, you know, I don't want to push back against an offensive lineman here on the Micah impact, but I felt like at times last night, he's still disrupting it. So maybe he's not getting there, he's not making the play,
Starting point is 00:22:15 but you're still, like, freaked out, especially with the way they have to use him. Well, I also think, I mean, Dan Quinn, he just fired his gun. Geno was under pressure all night. And you're 100% right. Just because you dug into sack, that doesn't mean you're not effective. So I don't want to put that out there. But I only say that
Starting point is 00:22:33 just because there's been so much of this talk, like, well, he's the heir parent to Lawrence Taylor. And there's not a tape, and I grew up a Giants fan. No matter who was on Lawrence or what situation he was, he popped off the tape. He was like, well, there goes Lawrence Taylor again. And a little bit, you saw that out of Micah.
Starting point is 00:22:49 But I think my expectation for him because of the type of pass rush he is, I just expect more. So this is me just kind of wanting more. I'm glad you brought up the offensive numbers because, look, right now, today you wake up, they're number one in scoring offense in the NFL, the CeeDee Lamb thing. You know, I loved him out of college. And then you wonder, like, is it really going to be one of those guys? And, man, he feels like he is one of those guys. We know they've had the injury issues in the secondary.
Starting point is 00:23:13 But I think the most important thing is that, like, last year, if you look at interception percentage on just throws in general, like Dak went on an interception fest when he came back last year. He was at 3.8%. But that was an aberration. That was so far beyond. Yeah, I mean, he's usually in the ones on that number, and he's back to where he's been for his career.
Starting point is 00:23:31 He actually does take care of the football better, but last year was so bad. The Jacksonville game where it was like, man, he could have had a couple others in there, and then you were starting to think, like, whatever you think Dak's limitations are, you don't really expect him to make these awful, like, Carson Wentz-type picks where make these awful, like Carson Wentz type picks
Starting point is 00:23:46 where, you know, some of Wentz numbers, when you look back, you're like, wait, he was that bad. Cause the numbers look good. It's like, no, you had to watch it and be like, what are you doing? This is devastating stuff. And Dak had some of those moments last year, but I didn't know that that's who he was, but here's what I want to take it into. Because when we grew up, you know, being a little bit older, you're watching the NFL all season. And you're trying not to get tricked by certain things. Some of the run and shoot stuff, the K gun. But look, the K gun worked. You know, it's not like just because they didn't win a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:24:19 I hate when we're like, oh, this doesn't work. You're like, it doesn't work. Like, it kind of works. It just may not work in the last game. But we always knew the rule was the weather slowing it down. These defense, the way teams were built, you had to run the football. I haven't believed in that now for years. What do you think is the single most important thing that you have to excel in as a football team today to be taken seriously as a team who can make a Superbowl run?
Starting point is 00:24:44 today to be taken seriously as a team who can make the Super Bowl run? Oh, wow. You know, it's tough because I know we talked about, you know, before we got on, we talked a little bit behind the curtain on this question. And I've been stewing on it as I, you know, had a five-minute argument with my wife about, you know, leaving a refrigerator open. It's interesting because I look at offenses now and I think the one X factor has to be a tight end, man. I think to win a
Starting point is 00:25:09 championship, you need a tight end. And I look at the impact of Kittle, Kelsey, even Noah Fant last night had a couple big catches and what he did for Geno, especially in the middle of the field. You can even go to Ferguson, who I thought had a monster game last night. By the way, he may be one of the toughest tight ends in all of football.
Starting point is 00:25:25 He took a couple shots last night. I thought he was going to get knocked out of the goddamn game. Me and my wife were sitting at the bed and my wife is a football head. She's a diehard Saints fan. And so she gets on my nerve enough. But she popped out of bed. She was like, I don't know who 87 is, but he's a goddamn dog. I was like, you're right, honey.
Starting point is 00:25:42 He is. Because he took a shot. I think it was on a tight end screen, and he pops up and he goes right in the face of Jamal Adams in that secondary. I was like, this kid got some cojones. Because where I come from, a tight end like that kind of peacocking, you're going to miss your front teeth by the fourth quarter. And obviously it's a different NFL
Starting point is 00:25:58 and obviously we have to adjust. I just go back to me being the old man on the porch. I'm like, if there's a tight end that stood up in a situation like that, like he's going to be drinking soup for a month. You know what I mean? Like he's going to be eating soup. So I love his moxie, that toughness that he showed, man.
Starting point is 00:26:13 But I think you got to – tight end is for me. And I go back to George Kittle, and that's why I – so his impact in this game, his ability to block on the edge, be – you know, and let me pivot back. One of the best teammates I ever had like you there's always that yeah and i know you've dealt with this question if you was ever in a back alley you needed one teammate who would you bring with you right obviously you you i will take james harrison but number two or maybe a1ab will probably be heath miller heath miller for me by far bro and i'm not even bullshitting you, was an absolute dog. Like, what's the...
Starting point is 00:26:45 When you put dog in a dictionary and, like, what describes a dog? A dog is the ability to be tenacious when nobody gives you a fucking shot. Here goes this fucking 6'4", white guy tied in, right? Who we left on an island against T-Sizzle, Tyrell
Starting point is 00:27:02 Suggs, at his best, right? Time after time, we would leave Keith Miller on one-on-one blocks, and he would just battle, man, and battle. And by the way, get out on a little skinny, you know, on an angle right or a drag and get a 10-year-old ball. And he was the ultimate security blanket for Ben. And on top of that, he didn't care what the job was. He just got it done.
Starting point is 00:27:24 So there's certain tight ends. And mind you, okay, I'm a little bit of Homer here. He's my mold, right? He's all I know is being a great tight end. So when I look at the George Kittles, and when I look at, you know, Kelsey, when I look at even, I know Bronx retired, there's certain checklists I feel like to be a great tight end or part of a great offense, you got to be tough.
Starting point is 00:27:43 You got to be able to catch the ball down the middle. Go figure. And you got to be selfless. So to be able to catch the ball down the middle. Go figure. And you got to be selfless. So some jobs you're going to walk into, like, man, I don't know if I'm going to come out this one alive, but it's the mentality to say, I'm just going to go out and do it. Whatever happens, happens. Those are the kind of tight ends I've always been accustomed to playing with.
Starting point is 00:27:59 And Heath Miller, man, by all accounts, he's – I know for a fact that my playoff runoff run my super bowl year if we don't have heath miller on that damn field where even with as great as our defense was he was such a bolt in our offense if he's not on the field we don't win because how much he meant to the office line of protection how big he was in run game and how much he meant to bend in the past game so for me you know outside of arguing with my wife because I left the fridge open, that was the first thing that popped in my head. Yeah, he was feeling himself, Ferguson,
Starting point is 00:28:30 after that go-ahead touchdown. Oh, his money. It was funny. I love it. And then when he was in the end zone, he was looking for the corner. He was, like, looking for him, you know? I loved it.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I was like, man. Yeah, big kid. Okay, so that's a great answer. Let's stay on that a bit. When you think about different offenses that you've played in, um, you know, we spend a lot of time kind of from the outside of like, Oh, charting plays and, you know, like charting is easy until adjustments are made. So you can't chart everything. Um, there's some coaches we think are really good with it. And there's other coaches who feel like they just don't adapt to anything. What are the best
Starting point is 00:29:04 experiences that you've had? Like when you you were if you were sitting there going hey this is what we should have as an offense the the checklist of an offense not necessarily just the tight end part but the coaching part of it or how versatile you could be or what you were looking to do on third down knowing kind of how a game plays out what are the things you think back to you know to be honest one if you if you've anybody ever paid attention to me um just solely me one thing i struggled with was staying on side and and not holding at times right because i was just a brawler and i never liked to keep my hands inside i like to shake the dog shit out of defenders um but one thing aspect i think from a weapon standpoint is being able to use the cadence um a quarterback
Starting point is 00:29:43 with a short on cadence gets the job done. And it's weird to say, like, well, doesn't everybody have a great cadence? Like, Aaron Rodgers' cadence is beastly, right? Like, the fact that— What makes it so good? Like, give me an example of what—I mean, we know what we hear on TV, but why is it so good? Because a lot of times when you break the huddle, man,
Starting point is 00:30:02 it's about getting the offense up. And you use the cadence to smoke out a defense. Because sometimes these defenses are so intricate and there's not much disguise and emotion change from zone to man. And sometimes, like, just a quick plan. It's only because I'm saying this is in my head. Like, if you go to Buffalo, Miami, I think Miami, Buffalo is playing cover two,
Starting point is 00:30:25 but they're clamping the backside. So they're leaving the backside corner one-on-one with Tyreek. And you know Tua's first option is Tyreek. But because they disguised it so well, Tua held on to the ball a lot. But then you, so if you pivot on, Tua realized, like, I got to see what's going on before I let this ball go. So you started to know Tua's cadence started to change. And what he was doing really well at the time, even though they lost that game
Starting point is 00:30:51 and they couldn't keep up with Buffalo, obviously dominated the game and went on to win, Tua did a great job of really going into hard counts early on downs to kind of get the defense to reveal their hands so he could see where he had the matchups and who was clamping and who was not and different stuff like that. So for me, a quarterback with a good, hard cadence. Like if you go back to Tim Boyle, Tim Boyle against Miami for the 3 o'clock game Friday, his cadence was probably one of his top weapons, right?
Starting point is 00:31:17 Because he was able to kind of get guys on the ball, smoke out the defense, and really try to get guys to jump and use that as a weapon within the offense. And on top of that, I think number two, you know, I came from a dual system, which is double teams across the board, right? So when I was at Pittsburgh, we had a play called 22 and 23 double. And it was just front side guard,
Starting point is 00:31:36 double to the linebacker. A lot of times it was the center left guard, double team, sometimes the backside tackle by himself on a base block, or we had the tight end or whatever on the backside. That's kind of like a little caveat. Nevertheless, anytime you get two big bodies on one big body, it causes mayhem, right? Because it's not about getting those early chunks. It's about setting that up for the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:32:01 And so in B.A.'s offense, Bruce Aarons, we, we had, we used a dual blocking system and we pretty much leaned on it. That, I mean, that took us all the way to the Super Bowl because it allowed us to get off the ball, allowed us to kind of impose our will, and allowed us to really dictate how we want to run the ball. It wasn't them dictating us. And we, and we, we practiced so much, you know, different variations of defense against it that we became really good at. so much, you know, different variations of defense against it that we became really good at.
Starting point is 00:32:25 So cadence, checklist, run game. And I think three – I think number three for me is just being aggressive on first down, man, like not being afraid to like – you go back to Detroit, Green Bay, you're talking about Jordan Love out the gate, bang, Christian Watkins down the field. Like for me, having that mentality, like we're not going to... Because you know how... Ryan, you know football. There's a 15 script, right? It's 15. No matter
Starting point is 00:32:50 what happens, we're going to get through this 15. And sometimes if the first play isn't successful, you kind of pivot back. Depends on what happens in the first play. But for me, it's being aggressive on first and second down, for me, is always important. Just getting out the gate, being aggressive, and not trying to always set up going out going for the knockout shot in different
Starting point is 00:33:08 points of a game especially early in the game i think it means a lot it sets the tempo for the offense who do you like in san francisco philly i like philly i like philly i like the fact that they're talking trash i like that fact that they um you know, I think they've proven they can win ugly. They've either tied or trailed a lot. Second half, Jalen Hurts has been money. I think it's off his line. I know Lane Johnson's dealing with the growing. He's going to play.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I'm not worried about that. But for me, it comes down to Jalen Hurts and his run game, man. And I know it's like, oh, Willie, cliche. Why wouldn't you want to run the ball? I think if you go to second half of that game against Buffalo, when DeAndre Swift had the ball in his hand, they started running the ball. It changed the whole outcome of the game. It was just a different offense.
Starting point is 00:33:54 I mean, the first half of that game against Buffalo, Philly was asleep. I think Jalen Hurts was like 4-11, 33 yards. We was like, what the hell is wrong with Philly? And then they started giving DeAndre Swift the ball, and they really started leaning on the run game. And I think that just opened up so much for them. Listen, I think it's going to be a dogfight. It's supposed to be rain.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Brock Purdy's talking about if it rains, he's going to wear a glove. Who knows? But I think right now, I just like Philly and their attitude right now. I think they've been forced to win in different variations, and they've proven to themselves that they can get it done. Despite all the injuries, despite all the up and downs, probably emotionally a little bit, they've been right where – and I know people want to call him lucky, right?
Starting point is 00:34:32 You're talking about MVS, Monday night he drops that big pass. Until about last week, Gabe Davis is wide open, third down. Josh Allen missed him, on and on. So there's a lot of nuances, but I just like where Philly's at right now. Yeah, there's numbers. I mean, look, you can do this really with any team where you go, okay, well, what's going on here with the pass defense? Like if you look at it, they're 29th in pass yards allowed,
Starting point is 00:34:53 they're second worst in passing touchdowns allowed. But then you think, okay, is the passing yard, is that built up in the fact that there's just, you know, there's certain teams. Like here's a tale before I kind of finish my thought here. There'll be times like late in the season where a team's just, you know, there's certain teams like here's, here's a, here's a tell before I kind of finished my thought here, there'll be times like late in the season where a team's terrible and they're like, yeah, but their past defense terrific. And it's like, well, because no one has to throw against them in the second half.
Starting point is 00:35:14 That number doesn't mean anything. And I wonder if part of the issue with some of the secondary stuff with the Eagles is that, you know, you're going to have to throw to kind of keep up with them. I've always liked that there, there are multiple meaning that that you know you're going to have to throw to kind of keep up with them. I've always liked that they're multiple, meaning that whether it was the Minnesota drives where I was like, oh my God, they're just gouging these dudes right now. They don't even have to throw the football. And I think that was part of the frustration if you're an Eagles fan with the first half. It's like, those runs might be there. They might be there despite, I think, the depth
Starting point is 00:35:43 of the Bills D line, but there's some passing defensive numbers that don't make a ton of sense. They bring in Bayard. So that tells you that they're doing their own self-evaluation of like, we need something back here. And I look, it's not like I'm watching the all 22 of him. I know what his rep was in Tennessee. We know that he's been declining a bit. There's certain clips where I'm like, he looks like he's overmatched, but he's in the right position. Maybe there's been a couple plays in there from him that make you feel a little bit better about it long term.
Starting point is 00:36:10 I clearly like San Francisco just because I think they're the best team in football. I just do. Maybe I'm overlooking a bad month, but the fact that Purdy's come back to being statistically. I mean, the 3-0 coming off the bye and what they was able to do against Jacksonville, I think still means something. And I think the fact that they've got Chase Young and they finally –
Starting point is 00:36:30 and it's tough to say that because you talk about Hargraves and Armstead and you talk about Bosa, you think that's enough to get it done. But obviously it wasn't. But now that they got Chase Young, it's like, all right, now we can – because they don't blitz, right? They cover and they let their front four go to work. So the fact that they're now able to get home and get pressure with that four, man,
Starting point is 00:36:47 I think the game is going to be one of the trenches. And I know it's like kind of football one-on-one, that's what you say, but I really believe that. I think it's going to be a dogfight. Yeah, and the lane part of it will be big because it definitely seemed like an issue early. And I've seen that guy play with the groin injury in the past where I'm like, I cannot believe a guy that big, that athletic,
Starting point is 00:37:08 is still making this kind of impact impact knowing he's hurting that bad. Now, you know, unless you know him, like, Hey, how bad is it actually? But there are times where you'll see him in the play and he looks great. And then after the play, he looks awful because he's just trying to like get himself back set up. And you're like, God, so we've at least seen him play really hurt with this injury that's been lingering for a while but i mean he's so good he's so important to what they do uh and you know look the hurts part of it it hasn't been pretty as much uh lately mcshay was just raving about him on the pod on monday because he just put him i don't know if it if it came across as he was trying to compare him to mahomes because i don't think any of us actually think he's Mahomes level because I just wouldn't put anybody else with Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:37:48 So that's an aside. But that there's this feeling of when you're watching the Eagles game and with him, and certainly A.J. and Devontae are going to win enough too to give you options that you're like, hey, you still kind of feel like you're in it, which might be the biggest compliment you can give any quarterback in the league. You know what's interesting? I go back to that third and 15 where he drops a dime in the back of the end zone for a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:38:10 It's tough. I love Jalen Hurts. I know a lot has talked about his poise. You've heard Colin say it on the herd. He's the best, I guess, presser quarterback out there. He always says the right thing. He's always stoic in the moment. He's always calm and collected. I also think there's an aspect of him where he he since
Starting point is 00:38:29 he started the knee is healthier obviously because you see him scrambling extend plays with his legs but i also think there's a part of him man that just and i think it goes back to his time getting benched in a national championship game when two would came in there i think the part is a part of him where it's like, fuck it. Like, let's just go. You know what I mean? Like, I've seen it with Ben. You're right, though.
Starting point is 00:38:51 You're right. It's absolutely what I need from – if you're going to be really good, I need you to have that moment where you go, I'm making this throw. And I've seen it time after time. But I think last week against Buffalo was like, there it goes. There goes that fuck it. Like, I'm just, I'm scrambling left, ball in my hand, it's raining, the place is going on fire.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Josh Allen looks like a goddamn wild cowboy out here. I got to be the guy to make the play. And he says, fuck it, and lets it rip. Bang, back at the end zone, touchdown. I'm just like, that's what it takes to play in this league. Not as a quarterback, but as a football player. Because there's plenty of times
Starting point is 00:39:28 I know it's been like short yardage, will we got to come to your side? And as much as I know what the technique is, as much as I know what my assignment is,
Starting point is 00:39:37 I got a big dog in front of me, I got to chew through his chest. And I'm going to say, fuck it. And if I get an M.E. on it, or if I blow the assignment, I just know I got to
Starting point is 00:39:44 get after his ass. And I think every football say, fuck it. And if I get an M.E. on it, or if I blow the assignment, I just know I got to get after his ass. And I think every football player needs that kind of that cord of fuck it in you to just go get it. And when I saw that play, that was that fuck it moment. I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to throw it. If it's there, it's there. Fuck it.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Let's just go. And I love it. Okay. There's also some defensive numbers there with Philly where on the season they rank really good against the run, but the last couple games. But then when you add it up and you dig a little bit deeper, these Mahomes scrambles are killing everybody
Starting point is 00:40:12 because it's just like, wait, now this guy's going to do this whenever you need it. So it's about 120 yards combined from the quarterbacks the last couple weeks. I want to talk about Tyreek Hill a little bit. I know we mentioned him in Football Sense. Look, he's an opinionated guy. He's got a lot of stuff to say. He said recently that he felt like this Dolphins team is way better on paper than the Kansas City team that
Starting point is 00:40:33 won a Super Bowl against the Niners a few years ago. I went back and looked at the stats, and actually, Miami's better in scoring. The scoring defense, Kansas City was shockingly a little bit better than I think people remember because there's been some bad KC defenses during this Mahomes run. And now there's a Jalen Phillips from Miami who I think is probably their steadiest, most impactful guy every single week when he was playing.
Starting point is 00:40:57 And now he's going to be out. It's not even about the debate because it's not. Because it gets decided in the Mahomes Tua thing. You want to tell me there's a couple more guys if you were comparing rosters? Maybe, but I think there's some young guys in this Chiefs defense that are going to be names for years to come.
Starting point is 00:41:12 But the more interesting thing I have to ask you is what is that like when you have a teammate who cannot help himself? I know it was like an old lineman. Nobody really ever wanted to hear from you. You probably had some thoughts, but you might not have the scrum around your locker after a game for the media. What is that like?
Starting point is 00:41:31 I know some people may even say Antonio Brown, but he was simply a tadpole with you then. He was not fully formed Antonio Brown. So is there someone you think about that you probably liked? You've already said twice on this pod, you like when people talk shit, but this is usually not something you're supposed to do in the NFL world, but now everybody has platforms. So it's happening. What do you have for us going back with guys you played with? because that was me. When I got to the New York Jets, you know, I had got to a team that I thought
Starting point is 00:42:06 was, you know, in Nick, you know, Brookshaw Ferguson, Nick Mangels at center. I was playing with Rex who,
Starting point is 00:42:14 you know, prior to him being the head coach of the New York Jets, he was defensive coordinator with the Ravens. So I'm like, all right,
Starting point is 00:42:20 we got some dogs in the house. And when I got to New York, man, the locker room was a little bit of a shell of themselves because they had gutted out all the OGs. So during my time as a Jet, being in the room with Nick and Brick,
Starting point is 00:42:31 all I could do was talk about where I came from and what I did and how I was going to the playoffs every year. And I was playing with a historic defense and how the culture and the family and the Roonies, yada, yada, yada. And I remember in the practice room, and I started to kind of start some type of analogy about what I did in Pittsburgh compared to what's going on with the Jets.
Starting point is 00:42:52 And I remember Nick Mango, who I love, by the way, goes, hey, cut the fucking court. I was like, what? He's like, cut the court. Like, we don't need to hear about your days in Pittsburgh. We don't need to hear about your days in Pittsburgh. We don't need to hear about your Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:43:09 your two Super Bowls, win one, loss one. Cut the cord. You're a Jet now. Or are you not? And I remember, bro, I was in the room. I clutched my pearls. I was like, what? What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:43:21 He's like, cut the fucking cord. He's like, you're a Jet now. You're from New York. You know, you went to Hofstra. The jets were on the same campus as Hofstra when you was at Hofstra. You're a jet. Cut the fucking cord. And I remember going home.
Starting point is 00:43:42 I remember going home and I was like, you know, as I'm polishing my third Modelo, I was like, damn, I guess he's right. Because nobody wants to hear. Listen, if you're Tyreek Hill, the divorce ended perfectly. You found the quarterback in Miami. You're on pace to breaking the NFL receiving record. By the way, the Chiefs won a Super Bowl when you left, and they're in good shape. You got the hot girl, and they remain hot.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Yeah, look, I don't. I think it's funny. You haven't been in that situation? Like, as I've worked with somebody, like, oh, yeah, my previous employer, we did what, you know, they kind of rule. They have this romantic conversation time after time about their time. And you're like, dude, you're with us now. Either you're here
Starting point is 00:44:26 or you're not and i really as a as a jet my first year as a jet i legit had to make i had to like i had to check myself like let's not talk about pittsburgh i can't say i have anything that's remotely as important as that as being on another team but yeah i mean spotify pulled me aside after a couple years and they were like look we got it you worked at espn it's got it's been covered no i'm just kidding there was never never, there was never, although I probably talked about it far too often, but I don't know. Sometimes they work out to be great stories. I think the bigger thing is like, as a man, well, hell, I didn't even know if this is male specific, but probably I would say I, no, I actually, I shouldn't just limit it to men, but
Starting point is 00:45:03 I think no matter what, it gets really hard when somebody tells you to not do something. And then you have to have the internal debate of like your first reaction is like, fuck you. Right. And it's like, what if Nick Mangold is making a great point? But then the other problem is, is what if it's a good point, but this guy's a loser, not Nick point but this guy's a loser not nick but this guy's a loser and then he's he is seeking this leadership role right like when i whenever i think about the tunnel like when i was watching michigan and ohio state and i saw like somebody from michigan like going crazy and he was like sitting there he's pointing whatever and then i immediately looked up his
Starting point is 00:45:42 number i was like i bet you that guy doesn't play and i was like yep he didn't play he like never plays this is this is the most energy he's going to expend all afternoon right and i was like it's always the guys that don't play oh yeah and so luckily it's nick mangled terrific player great career arguably yeah right but it's it's sometimes it's not even about the message it It's the messenger. And there's really nothing worse. Like I can I can just already vision what the Russell Wilson first year experience was the new guy and at least he had had a resume to be able to feel like he could say some of these things, but I'm sure it got real old real quick based on previous experiences. If you're going to say something like that to you, it has to be Nick mangle is my point.
Starting point is 00:46:39 A hundred percent. And that, and, but that was, it's, it's, it's such a, it's so poignant because I think that was the biggest issue with Rex's last year as a jet. There were too many guys who had resumes that needed a correction or maybe a slap on the ass that he didn't give to be solely because of their resume. And I hated that aspect of it. Like sometimes just because you played it, you have the Pro Bowls and you've had playoff wins or experience and you have
Starting point is 00:47:07 the contracts that tag along your name and you went to a certain school, doesn't mean you're not in fault. You still have to be corrected in year 9 or 10. But because sometimes a guy has a little bit of longevity and they have a career that coach is like, well, he'll figure it out.
Starting point is 00:47:23 That's how good teams end up losing late in the seasons like there's always needs to be correction along the way it doesn't matter what your resume looks like and i was like my biggest issue with rex like certain guys had a resume so he felt like all they'll figure it out like because they've played long enough like no like football's football either you're doing it right or you're not either you're doing your job or you're not um Either you're doing your job or you're not. But you're right. Would I have received that from a guy who was on the team two years prior? For me getting there, I was like, hey, Willie, by the way,
Starting point is 00:47:54 won't you come to court? I'd probably be like, listen, I'll slap you in your mouth in front of everybody. Don't ever talk to me like that again. Right? But the fact that it was Nick Mangold, I was like, yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. mangled i was like yeah okay okay and i can see like i didn't i've only interacted with mangled a couple times i don't pretend to know him he would have to be reminded who i was but you could see that he wasn't exactly a guy that was gonna like waste words no you know and by the way he i
Starting point is 00:48:19 mean he's he's that was he was king in that house right so you rather hear from the king than a peasant. So like you said, once again, I received it. I went to battle with the man. So we know each other. We've had booze. We've hung out. We've shared barbecue.
Starting point is 00:48:34 He knows my family. I know his family. Prior to me getting married, I had my side chicks at his house. So we have a relationship. So yeah. Clearly. Yeah. So clearly.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Yes. So clearly, we got each other so he i he was he had all the i guess room to tell me to shut the fuck up and cut the cord and welcome to new york okay we'll leave you with this it's our stat when we were we were asking if you got stronger when you're 400 pounds um there was a stat about people in the world who could bench 225 pounds once one rep of 225 you want to guess what percent of people on earth can do one rep of 225 wow one rep one rep like full rep or like we're doing like me head ymca rep like kind of don't worry about the full range of motion here we're just thinking there's like almost 8 billion of us. A lot of people don't work out, remember.
Starting point is 00:49:31 What percentage of people can do one rep? I mean, off the top of my head, maybe 20%. Oh, my God. What do you think? We're in Viking times? No. I just come from a big family. Maybe you were the wrong guy to ask.
Starting point is 00:49:48 It is 0.75, not even 1% of the globe's population can do one. I actually think, yeah, 20 is absurd. I mean, if it was 20, I'd stay home more often. Hey, enjoy the weekend, man. Enjoy the football. We'll catch up soon. Respect, my brother. Thank you. The Alliance gears up for
Starting point is 00:50:15 Conference Championship weekend. We have Kyle from Poughkeepsie. Also, Steve is on the show. What's up, man? Good to see you. Yeah, coming live from the Crown Jewel. Really enjoying my time, but a little milder today. It's been pretty brick, as we used to say when I lived here. And it's a beautiful day. My dad's turned 60.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Going to run out and grab some steaks. Going to make some exciting appetizers. Just great to be back. You have a big smile on your face. And I have a big smile on my face because of your smile. So, yeah, you were tweeting about the Hudson Valley last night. You were going deep on the rankings. You were just letting everybody know, which I appreciated.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Okay, so there's apparently some controversy that Steve would like to bring forth to the Alliance for an official ruling about something that happened last week. So the floor is yours. Well, so I took Jaden Daniels over two and a half touchdown happened last week. So the floor is yours. Well, so I took Jaden Daniels over two and a half touchdown passes last week, which hit against Texas A&M. But the folks at FanDuel after we taped, because they put out the video,
Starting point is 00:51:13 they make a graphic, and you could obviously look at it on the app or the website and play along with us and take our parlay, right? The Alliance parlay. They told me that unfortunately, some of these props,
Starting point is 00:51:25 they don't apply to every state. So they're like, so we can get something in for every state. Can you give us another bet? Just like a spread or a plain spread or a total. So I was like, yeah, sure. No problem. So I gave them the over in LSU, Texas A&M, which also hit. So technically I was two and O last week and I need to... Well, I'm just saying, I gave two picks and both of them hit. So this is a democracy. I'm willing to be overruled. But I personally feel like I was 2-0 last week and should have two wins on the resume. Listen, if I wanted to give anybody an extra win, it would be you, buddy.
Starting point is 00:51:56 That's for sure. And so I feel like that... What's that guy? That caught in Providence judge who's just a great guy. And he's just like, yeah, you'll be fine. Just keep it under 60. I think it's fine, actually. I know Ryan did this last year, and I wish he did it earlier than he did it.
Starting point is 00:52:13 But what can you do? Okay, but what I didn't do last year was tell you after the segment that I had an extra win. I gave out. You think if I went 1-0, if I missed one of them, I would just say, hey, I hit one bet and not take the loss? You think because I went 2-0 that I'm trying to claim two? Yeah, there's no way if you went 1-1, you'd be like, hey, can you make sure I'm 1-1? Or if you missed the Daniels one, you'd be like, hey, guys, I also have another loss. I'll just say it. Has nothing to do with how I feel about Cerruti. I think that's well documented.
Starting point is 00:52:42 This is such a bad proposal. I can't even believe you're doing this. I'm desperate, man. I'm desperate. My record's not great. Now that you mention it, just like, oh, it actually turned out well, so let's bring it up. That's a little weird.
Starting point is 00:52:54 That's different than throwing out three picks. I don't appreciate you guys. I have integrity, okay? That's not integrity. This is the opposite of integrity. What do you mean? I would have told you if I won 0-2 as well. You don't think I would have told you that I missed both of them. This is the opposite of integrity. What do you mean? I would have told you if I went 0-2 as well. You don't think I would have told you that I went 0-2?
Starting point is 00:53:08 You wouldn't have been asking for us to tack on another loss on your record as you and Kyle are battling it out for second. That might be true. We know it's true because I love you, but nobody would do that. Alright, so that's the difference between me being 5-10
Starting point is 00:53:24 and 4-10, and so I'm still a game behind Kyle, I guess. Listen, I've been the difference between me being five and 10 and four and 10. And so I'm still a game behind Kyle, I guess. So listen, it's, I've been overruled. It's fine. It's a democracy. I'm, I, I, I proposed it and I've been shut down. I have accepted the ruling. I'm so confident in this ruling.
Starting point is 00:53:36 I don't think anyone's going to have your side. Like, no, I'm going to get a text from Stanford. Steve being like, I can't believe you tried to do that. Only one person went to know and their bets in one week. So just saying, just saying. Just saying. Okay. This is like going out to dinner counting, you know, I didn't have any of those appetizers. This is not
Starting point is 00:53:53 that at all. This is not that at all. It's in the same vein, I think. I mean, it's like after the fact. I picked two things last week. I picked two things. I hit them both. I don't know. Kyle, what's your official vote? You've swayed me. I say no now. Now I say no. He was on board too, man. I was. It sucks. I hit them both. I don't know. Kyle, what's your official vote? You've swayed me. I say no now. Now I say no.
Starting point is 00:54:06 He was on board too, man. I was. I was shocked in the beginning because I was ready to lose two to one. Yeah. All right. Well, unfortunately, I believe Ryan was the,
Starting point is 00:54:16 were you the only one wrong last week? Yeah, I got it wrong last week. So I'll go last. That's fine. Your honor. All right, Kyle, kick it off. Kick it off. Yeah, Steve actually wanted to go last before we got on last. So I'll go. That's fine. I honor. All right, Kyle, kick it off. Kick it off. Yeah, Steve actually wanted to go last before we got on the line.
Starting point is 00:54:26 So I'll go. That's fine. I'm going to keep it in the ACC this week. I've been going back and forth between Louisville and Florida State. My brother is up here from Florida State. I think I got to go. I did a little bit of research. The backup quarterback for Florida State, whose name I forgot in my research.
Starting point is 00:54:43 He's been an ACC guy. He's played Louisville. He's played some of these guys. So it's not like bad news has come down the pike, at least. So I think I'll take the Florida State. The odds just dropped from 2.5, minus 2.5 to minus 1.5. So, I mean, might as well take this. Actually, might as well take the money line because what's the difference?
Starting point is 00:55:03 Let's take the money line. Minus 1.11, Florida State over Louisville. I can't wait until they kick a field goal to win by one. All right. I've been kicking around a couple of things. So the games I'm looking at is the OK State Texas game, and I'm also looking at Michigan-Iowa. The Michigan-Iowa over- over under currently it's 34 and a
Starting point is 00:55:26 half that seems dangerous to take it under there I know Iowa might not score but Michigan could just win 35 nothing in this game and then I then I lose so I'm gonna stay away from that because I'm just scared I don't know how anybody by the way can you imagine betting either side of the Iowa total I can't imagine what would be the six and would be a more annoying time because like at least on the over, you're going to keep pretending you have a chance for three hours. But if you bet the under, it's going to be so stressful of going like, oh, yep, just punt it here. Just punt it like every single time, every return, you know, hoping there's never going to be a short field off of one turnover. I think betting the under would actually still be more miserable,
Starting point is 00:56:07 but I don't know how anybody bets the over on Iowa in any game. I don't know how anybody bets, because I think most of these absurd tools that we keep seeing. I did it once this year. And you lost, right? I took Penn State-Iowa, yeah, and I think Iowa got shut out, I believe. Yeah, it was 31-0. Yep, so good times, good times there.
Starting point is 00:56:24 All right, so i'll just save everybody the the pain of having to go through that give me i'm gonna just i'm gonna take texas minus 14 and a half uh this might be a sucker bet this might be like a loser bet and on the kind of the square side but they've got to prove a point right they've got to you know they're they're gonna potentially be the four of the five depending on how things roll out here in the play out in the final playoff ranking. So they're going to have to make a statement. I know, okay, State can run the ball.
Starting point is 00:56:48 I kind of like the over here, too. But give me – I think Texas wins big. I just think they win big. Yeah, I mean, here we are, three favorites now. So now I don't feel great about this. But it's a mill row thing. I liked it at five and a half. It went to six and a half.
Starting point is 00:57:02 I was worried about where the number was going to go. I liked it at five and a half. It went to six and a half. I was worried about where the number was going to go. And I know that, you know, as far as the pass catching core for Georgia could be a little bit more dinged up than maybe we realized. Could be, I don't know, gamesmanship on the injury report with Brock and McConkie. So I'm just going to lay the five and a half because I still feel like Carson Beck is completely overlooked
Starting point is 00:57:23 in the quarterback conversation. And I just don't trust Milrow in this spot. I think for Alabama to have a chance, they're going to have deep shots, Burton, Bond. They're running the ball a little bit better, but overall, statistically on the season, you would say that's not what you'd expect from them being able to run behind this offensive line. It's been kind of an issue even if the short yardage stuff has been much more successful more recently. And then Milrow certainly can run. I mean, he's pretty dynamic there.
Starting point is 00:57:49 And there's some other stuff to tell you that Bama's defense is actually better than you realize. But I still don't know that that front terrorizes teams the way we thought it was going to consistently all season long. They closed hard against Ole Miss. They closed really well against LSU. And I know Milrow had the LSU game. He had the Kentucky game.
Starting point is 00:58:05 But, like, seeing the Auburn game where he didn't know he was past the line of scrimmage twice, that's the kind of stuff where I'm like, ah, I'll just lay the 5.5. And I love that it went back to 5.5. So that's the pick. Three favorites. No way that's going to work. But check out all the latest odds. Sportsbook.FanDuel.com.
Starting point is 00:58:25 You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy
Starting point is 00:58:36 you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. The email address is lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. Kyle is going to stick around despite a festivity tonight
Starting point is 00:58:53 for the family. There's even a few Kyle ones that I saved. So maybe I'll find one of those. But before we do that tonight. Oh all right let's discuss plan tonight well it's just a we're gonna do some dinner throw some steaks on the grill my dad's a big don't want to do anything guy but at the same time like doesn't that make you a bit of an asshole if you're like yeah actually i do want to blow this thing out uh it's the 60th birthday so there's actually a few less people coming than i would have hoped uh that was not my idea but i'm still gonna cook the shit out of some steak and make my famous poppers. I'm going to try a few new
Starting point is 00:59:28 recipes. BJ's and see what I can find. You're mad at him? You're mad at him for being too chill about his birthday? No, I'm mad at the people around him for just admitting that we'll just do what he says. Come on.
Starting point is 00:59:44 It's his birthday. let him do what he wants he just he wants something low-key that's what i would be honest i disagree i think anybody who would say i want to do a big thing makes you would make you actually go backwards and be like yeah let's tone it down a little bit this year but for a guy like great guy like my dad who's like you know i don't really do i don't want to do much we'll just keep it i was like all right fine i'm not going to make you leave the house but let's bring some buddies over bring some of his friends you know they're still local guys doesn't seem like that's going to like, all right, fine. I'm not going to make you leave the house, but let's bring some buddies over, bring some of his friends. There's still local guys. Doesn't seem like that's going to happen. So whatever.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Do you think your 60th will be chill? I don't think so. I hope not. There's no chance. That's the safest bet of all time. We should have had that in the Alliance, but it's not on the board. Will Kyle's 60th be chill? Long game bet. I'm a little tempted to follow up on these recipes you're dabbling with. Yeah, I got a prosciutto fig thing that I'm looking at. Maybe a little honey goat cheese in there.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Just something that we could serve cold, refrigerate, prep early. Definitely the poppers, bacon wrap poppers. That always has to happen. A lot of people around here don't even know about them because I learned about how to perfect them later in life. So we'll definitely be doing a bunch of poppers that always has to happen a lot of people around here don't even know about them because i learned about how to perfect them later in life so we'll definitely be doing a bunch of poppers um you've seen how good i got these poppers sausage flowers they're called uh i'm thinking about doing that that looks fun a little wonton crispy things with sausage and whatever in there i'll have to look at the recipe again but that got me a little excited doing some baked potatoes
Starting point is 01:01:02 chives of course um yeah i don I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I might just get away from me when I get into BJ's, so we'll see. This reminds me of a story. I got some shit from some family members because at my daughter's first birthday party, my mom wanted to make some food or whatever, blah, blah, blah. She's like, oh, I'm going to make some deviled
Starting point is 01:01:19 eggs. I was like, mom, nobody eats deviled eggs. Who eats deviled eggs? I completely talked her out of eating deviled eggs and then everybody kind of acted like i was the asshole afterwards but she ended up making pigs in a blanket which were 10 000 times better so who's the real winner here it's the it's it's everyone at the party but maybe i'm wrong maybe people you're a deviled eggs guy deviled eggs are terrible i don't i don't know who eats deviled eggs i feel like only old people eat deviled eggs oh well i mean i'm an old soul but uh i love love a deviled egg love it i'll love five deviled eggs actually Well, I mean, I'm an old soul, but I love a deviled egg. I love five deviled eggs, actually.
Starting point is 01:01:48 I'll look around and see if everyone's got their first deviled egg, and I'm definitely going to have a second one. There'll be deviled eggs tonight? No, I don't think I want to do that. Yeah, I guess... Just the egg thing. The egg thing is annoying. Eggs and boo is not a great combo. People
Starting point is 01:02:02 that love deviled eggs will argue. They're a very supportive group. I'm going to get a lot of tweets about this. Yeah. Deviled eggs are great. I can't believe you said that out loud. Hard to disagree. But anyway. Did any of the guys, did they drive for the party? No, you know, I think the holidays
Starting point is 01:02:19 got guys a little tied up. My mom turned 60 in two more years, so maybe we'll do that. All right, so we had uh an inquiry from a midwestern guy good stock about a ginger that caught his eye remember that email not that long ago he sent us a follow-up which has to be shared essentially he had hooked up with a girl in the past ended on good terms she was dating somebody else she has a friend she's a ginger i guess this guy's type which is great and uh he was like should i should i ask for her permission we gave we actually spent a lot of time on it which is a shock for this pod right
Starting point is 01:02:54 so he let us know that he he followed some of the advice and here we are uh don't expect you to put this on the pod well we're doing it because it's too good i'll give you an update i messaged the old flame she was really cool and said she'd put in a good word i said thanks and keep me posted an hour later i was blocked oh man i'm here for this did i know you know okay you weren't so this was somebody's advice well no my advice was well there's a bunch of tips. We went down Choose Your Own Adventure. We just turned on page 42, 78. Yeah, we went all over the place with it. It was very much like you could reach out, and if she says no, at least you'll have a great starting point of a conversation with the ginger moving forward.
Starting point is 01:03:38 But if she says yes, then you have an ally, and she's looking out for you. But we did point out, you never know. It's like people can be really possessive about past relationships. I think it's one of the most interesting things about people is that some people are like completely over it. I mean, again, not to go too Sherry here on this deal, but like I had a serious girlfriend and we broke up. And then like a week later I did something with somebody and I was like, I'm going to get destroyed for this. I did something with somebody and I was like, I'm going to get destroyed for this. And then she was like, well, we weren't together. I was like, what? Like how, like I was so, I was more shocked that
Starting point is 01:04:10 she was so okay with it. Then made me be like, well, what's your deal then? What are you up to? Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Which is like the lesson you find out later on when you time travel through your own thoughts, you're like, wait a minute. Um, so there's always that danger is that she's going to tell you what you want to hear, but in reality, it's still going to bother her. And that's clearly what happened. But I think the win in this is as long as you, oh, wait, wait, wait, there's more to this. I said, thanks. All right. She blocked me. Not sure how to take that, but I took Ryan's advice and DM the ginger haven't received a response. But like you guys said, I don't gain or lose anything with this one, which was ultimately the math that we came up with is you, you, you already don't have either situation in your favor.
Starting point is 01:04:50 So if you ask, you don't get anything, it doesn't really mean necessarily you lost anything. I just worry about how quickly he may have DM the ginger. And did he share that he had been blocked by the mutual friend? I think based on what you had said is that maybe, maybe you were never going to run into her. Maybe I played it out of my head that maybe you would at some point, but if you don't like, Hey, it could be six months before I ever see her, I would have maybe even slow played the DM been like, Hey, funny story. And she either thinks it's funny and it's drinks or she's like, yeah, she told me and you're a creep. And then, you know, nothing works out, but at least you try. I think the latter is more likely,
Starting point is 01:05:25 unfortunately, but I, I'm proud of this guy for doing it. Like, you know, all right. Didn't work out, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:31 sucks. If I could go back in time and be in that thing, I would have just said, I think in these situations, it's always better to play dumb. Even if you're not, that's what I would have said. Just go about it and be like,
Starting point is 01:05:40 Oh wow. That's crazy. I totally forgot you guys were buddies or if I'm getting that story, correct. I don't know. I just kind of got them got them well he had said that she he he said that he and the ex were like on good terms and she might be able to help him out in this situation it wasn't just like oh they know each other listen if you guys aren't great friends you're not on good terms i don't think i don't think like if you're not great friends i think the rest is just kind of a
Starting point is 01:06:02 wash and i don't think they were great friends, is what it sounds like. The immediate block is... That's not a good sign. That's not a good sign. No, but to go from I'll put in a good word to blocked an hour later. Just tell me you don't want to put in a good word then. Just, you know, what is this shit? Yeah, the email is not the asshole here at all. Right.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Sitting there going, do you have zero posts? Must be going through something. Right. All right. That's what's so funny about the Instagram block. Is it like lets you think you might still not be? And you're like, man, she hasn't updated this in forever. She has no posts.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Still follows 7,000 people. What's going on here? All right. So here we go. We'll get to an email. What's up? 6-4, 235,000 people. What's going on here? All right. So, uh, here we go. We'll get to an email. What's up? Six, four, two 35 pro comp two 50, 2015 Marie Spates last 10 seconds of game three in the first round of the playoffs. I love that. Marie Spates. That's it. That's a, that's a good one. Try to keep it brief. I'm 23 and live with two buddies from college. We live in the same
Starting point is 01:06:58 city. We went to college at wow. It's funny. Cause it's like, people are telling you you're doing it wrong. You might be doing it right. My family lives in another state and I travel, well, only if you know you're leaving eventually. I travel back to my hometown for Thanksgiving. When I got back to my current place after the break, I noticed some things were off. My keys were in a different spot. I went to my car Monday morning to go to work and noticed the gas was drained. I immediately thought that someone used my car. I hit up both my roommates and one confessed to it. He said, sorry, that was me. When I got dropped off from thanksgiving my car was dead and i wasn't feeling good so i borrowed it to get some meds i should have asked my bad seems fair
Starting point is 01:07:34 enough right yeah everything sort of checks out if you guys are that cool each other you're living post-college you get along well enough if somebody needs to use a car despite some people can be really weird with the borrowing rules we had a friend that had like a sick ride and then no one was just ever allowed to like be in it that was like one of the strangest things ever yeah okay like it took up the parking space he got like the better parking space because it was nicer which we all decided and then i remember like one guy got a car was it i'm not gonna get too specific with it but it was sweet it was sweet because then it turned into something where another roommate like hit me up he's like can you believe we can't use that look we just can't use it
Starting point is 01:08:09 and now we have to go off limits right you can't even go to the grocery store the weather was like a real issue for driving when you're going to vermont there's there are stretches where you just be like okay the only option is is something that's the four by four right more suited for this uh my truck even with the four-wheel drive was a mess in it because it had the thing weighed 100 pounds no tailgate took it out put in a net nbd okay um uh let's see here let's see here so the only seems fair enough the only issue i had was the back seat door was left open
Starting point is 01:08:45 and I found a cup left from Jack in the Box next to the car. I asked my other roommate if he said that the first roommate had some, I asked my other roommate about it and he said that the first roommate had some guys over Wednesday before Thanksgiving after the bars
Starting point is 01:08:57 and they had Jack in the Box. The first roommate has a history of doing some shady shit during college but I thought he'd matured since then. We think he used my car all weekend because he didn't want to put gas in his. The battery was fine and may have taken it to jack in the box after a night out. Should I confront him? Our lease is up in two weeks, so I don't see how anything like this would happen again.
Starting point is 01:09:18 We're all sort of part of a bigger friend group. So I continue to see him around after the lease is up. If I call his bluff and it's true he only needed it for meds, then I'm the asshole. Can't necessarily prove he used it more or less and also can't really trust his word given his history. Would appreciate any advice on how to navigate this one. He did send us an update.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Possibly the most crucial and funny piece of information, this guy's avoided being at the house from the hours of 5 to 1030 every night this week. We think he's avoiding any chance of confrontation i mean clearly these guys borrowed your car like i mean you're saying you're not 100 sure well it sounds like it's pretty much 100 there's no gas another guy right another guy confirmed that it was used and there was shit in the car so like dude what else do you need colombo it didn't even have any shame in it, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Right. But like the one guy's admitting to it. So basically, we're just asking here, like, I don't know. You guys take it. How would you handle it, Kyle? I think I wouldn't want to make too many waves. But what I would probably say is, hey, don't even ask next time because the answer is no. All right.
Starting point is 01:10:20 I think that's it. It's just like, I'm not going to be like, how could you? Fuck you. Give me the gas money, whatever. I think it would just be as simple as that. Like'm not going to, I'm not going to be like, how could you fuck you? Give me the gas money, whatever. I think it would just be similar as that. Like, Hey, in case it was unclear, don't even worry about asking next time because you're a guy that can't. All right. If there's a guy that didn't do it, he's a guy that can ask, but you're a guy that can't and that's okay. Cause you have a car.
Starting point is 01:10:38 So it's fine. It's that way. It just lets them know that, you know, it lets them know that you're not going to be a hard ass about it but like you know you're disappointed a little angry and it's changed you know the dynamics a little bit not in a way that we can't be friends anymore but it's like don't ask me anymore sort of like the dude that you're like don't even ask me for money anymore at this point don't ask me sort of like that guy can you just like kind of fuck with him and just ask him about like different jack-in-the-box questions all the time be like dude what do you guys want to go to jack-in-the-box today like what's your favorite thing at jack-in-the-box and just keep asking thoughts on the 32 like the 32 over there what the tacos and uh and just and it just ever it's understood but you just keep fucking with the guy
Starting point is 01:11:16 i think that because yeah you know what the deal is like what even if he denies it what's what's you know the answer to this so i just have a little bit of fun with it yeah you don't want to go overboard mad because then everyone else could be like, what the fuck? Come on. What is his deal? But I think you deserve to get a little mad and that dude deserves to feel a little uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:11:33 So just find a way where the stakes are low, but the point gets made. I'd ask the emailer, what's your mad range? How long? What gets you to a five? What may get me to a five or an eight is different for different people like there can be some things that are eights for other that's
Starting point is 01:11:50 like a one for me um i would say i'm probably i have a weird mad range where i can be really mad about something that doesn't make any sense and then something like i just said i'd be like i don't care that doesn't bother me uh this would at 23 i'd be kind, I don't care. That doesn't bother me. Uh, this would at 23, I'd be kind of annoyed. I would get over this pretty quickly because there's a good chance I'm borrowing somebody else's car. Uh, but I don't, I don't, I was never one to be like, I'm just going to take my buddy's car for the entire weekend and then not really tell him it may have been out of necessity. Something sort of happens, but I wouldn't be shady necessarily like this. It sounds like the emailer isn't even that mad about it. It's more that it's funny. The guy isn't coming home, the
Starting point is 01:12:24 whole deal. So I would do this. I would just be like, look, I know you took the card. Do you not want to admit it? Because then I'm actually going to be upset. If you took it, it's annoying, but fine. I'm not asking for anything. I don't need 20 bucks worth of gas or whatever the whole deal is. Because it sounds like everything else has worked out. Like you're friends with this guy and a roommate post-college. And you said it's part of the same circle of friends. So it sounds like you're a little conscious of messing up the dynamic if this becomes a friend-ender with this, even if he's the one that did it to you. But on the grand scheme of things, this isn't the end of the world. For some people, it would be like this absolute betrayal that you would do this to their car.
Starting point is 01:13:00 I personally would not necessarily feel that way at 23. In my 40s, I'd have a bit more of an issue with it. So it sounds like you're actually – That's a great point. Right. I think you're actually okay with it based on what we're getting here in the email. I don't know if Kyle and Steve agree, disagree. It's just you kind of – like you just want him to say, yeah, dude, I did take it.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Be like, okay, cool. You took it. That was lame. There's shit in there. And now I know. And now I have to pack my keys. But again, the lease is up in two weeks, so it doesn't even matter.
Starting point is 01:13:29 So this reminds me of a story. When I was in college, and again, perfectly, like when you're young, things like this just kind of don't matter. You're right. If I was in my 30s or 40s, I'd be like, dude,
Starting point is 01:13:39 could you just not take my car? But when I was in college, one of my buddies hooked up with his girlfriend in my car, in my 94 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Didn't tell me. Yeah, dude, that's like a dream car for me. But other friends like started telling me about it.
Starting point is 01:13:53 And I was like, obviously I was like annoyed about it. But I'm like, what am I gonna do? Get pissed off and like not talk to this guy again? And he didn't tell me. And he knew that I didn't really lock my car during those periods of my life. So he just knew it was unlocked. So he just went in and did his thing and got out.
Starting point is 01:14:06 And I just was like, yeah, I could be mad about this for like a month or I could just say it's kind of funny and just move on. I just did the latter. So I think you're young enough where these things, I would just make a joke out of it. Don't take it too seriously. Yeah, I think at that age, being let down isn't really the issue because that happens
Starting point is 01:14:21 all the time. Those dudes will let you down all the time. But I think it's the trust issue that, that, you know, that's like a little more valuable. So it's not about like, Oh, I can't believe you did this.
Starting point is 01:14:30 Oh, I can't believe you, you know, got drunk and stepped on my laptop. Oh, I can't believe like, it's not about the like being let down. It's about like,
Starting point is 01:14:37 are you going to own it or not? Really? So I think that's what you're, when you're considering this to be your group, like, you don't, you don't want to set a precedent of fucking people over and lying about it. Then you've got to weed those dudes out.
Starting point is 01:14:48 Also, your window of having drunk people step on your laptop closes as you get older. You would think. I did ruin Jim Cunningham's laptop a year ago because I sat on it. It was under a blanket on the couch, which I don't think should be there. That's not your fault. It is. I did give him $700, though. I'm glad we've decided it's not my fault okay uh here's an email one more sure all
Starting point is 01:15:12 right when to go hard when to go hard this was a scary topic but it's not uh seven foot 250 pounds 44 years old ex-overseas pro, a journalist once called me baby Greg Ostertag. So I guess that's the player comp. I don't know, 7'2", 50. I don't know your baby or anything. But Ostertag brought it. I'm trying to understand when and if I should take over pickup games.
Starting point is 01:15:42 Usually I play quite low key. I like to play a lot of point guard and shoot as a player from the late 90s, early 2000s. That's a significant departure from the way I actually played. However, like most bigs, I had delusions of guard play and I find it to be the most fun way to play now. And I get people involved as my understanding of the game is still okay. The problems come about I was traveling recently and ended up playing a pickup game in a gym long, long way from home. The game was fun enough, played in good spirit, enjoyable run. My team held the court when a group of college-aged dudes showed up as well they weren't terrible but they weren't all world either the problem started up where they got a bit lippy it didn't feel in
Starting point is 01:16:14 the spirit of what we were doing and eventually it started to grate i changed up my playing style and headed to the block at my size and weight this was less a skills proposition than a question of physics i took the game over and saw them off the court the problem is that in doing so i ended up dominating the possessions just to make a point it's a competitive thing which i sometimes struggle to put away but was it worth making the game less fun for my team just to prove a point against some people i will never see again in the moment it felt pretty good but in retrospect maybe i should have just let it all go and continue the way i'd started the question i guess becomes, just because I can doesn't mean I should. Great power.
Starting point is 01:16:48 That's another shirt, right? I also limped for a few days after as I really did ramp up. I've not identified the place for myself because I don't want people to know who I am or who they are. It's not a big city. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 01:17:07 Look, as someone who has a hard time as soon as the ball is in his hand and literally anything i understand where you're coming from and i wasn't good enough to ever play in anything that anybody cared about but once the ball is there like i've had even pickup games where i'm like hey you know what maybe you're just going to facilitate today or maybe i'm going to do some of this or work on some of the probe dribbling and, you know, get some of that handle back. And then as soon as I have the ball, I'm like, fuck this. So I understand, I understand where you're coming from. Now it really comes down to, I have no problem. I'll just say right now, I have no problem with what you did whatsoever. And I would tell you to relax on yourself. Like you shouldn't be thinking games
Starting point is 01:17:45 like days post this game did i actually do the wrong thing like yes if you were playing in a regular run with guys all the time and you just decide to sit on the block and turn on everybody at 7 foot 250 i'd be like you're kind of a fucking loser like what are you doing this is but again what are you never supposed to play yeah you're never supposed to play basketball again because you're enormous and no one can ever defend you in pickup games so that's not really necessarily your fault but i've seen that a few times like a super super physically imposing guy who's like beating up on dudes that aren't that good so maybe that's where it comes from but in this case specific to the email you said that they started talking and if they started talking which
Starting point is 01:18:20 was stupid knowing that you're a weapon on the other side and you actually played you're not just seven feet you know what i mean like you're a weapon on the other side and you actually played, you're not just seven feet. You know what I mean? Like you're actually good enough. If you played overseas, uh, I have no issue with the more dominant species reminding the less dominant species that they exist in this case. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:39 You are the big guns and it was time for the big guns. And sometimes the team doesn't have the big guns. You are. And it's great because this is a story, right? It's those guys on that court will be like, remember that one time that those, you know, those assholes were talking and all of a sudden we just played them off the court. If it's like, oh man, if people see you and start groaning because they know what you do, that's not the case. This is just that one time. And I'm sure there'll be another time when some other loudmouths come in the gym and you can do that. Then they'll all
Starting point is 01:19:04 look at you and be like, you want do this but I think because like don't definitely don't feel bad about that one time I think it seems like you know how you know to play well with others work well with others so that's cool and it's cool to be the big guns and sometimes we need the big guns so as long as you're you know your meter reader is good for when it's time and when it's not I think that's great isn't this just like the definition of fuck around and find out? Yeah, exactly. Um, I, I think one of the coolest things in life is when somebody's fucking awesome at something, but they don't flex it.
Starting point is 01:19:33 But when they do, it's, it's very, very seldom. But when they do, they just remind people like, Hey man, like this is, this is real. Like some, like some guy who's like real tough and can beat the shit out of it, but he doesn't. But if you get in his face, he's going to kick your ass. Like that is the, that's the way that the shit out of everybody. But he doesn't. But if you get in his face, he's going to kick your ass. That's, to me, the way to carry yourself in life. So yeah, if you're going around dunking on dudes all in the post left and right at these games, that's a loser move. But every once in a while, just to show them, like, hey, man, this is what I'm capable of.
Starting point is 01:20:00 I don't have any issue with that whatsoever. I guess my only question would be, did your teammates think it was weird? Because maybe he was getting weird vibes from his own teammates, and that's why he's self-conscious about it. But if they were cool with it, and you only did it for that one instance, I think you played it perfectly. No issues with this whatsoever. I mean, you've even admitted that you play the game differently just to get involved. Because if you just went down on the block all the time in your regular games, for you, it's not even challenging. That's what i would think like especially somebody who played somewhere you would go well this like what's the point of what i'm even doing so you're playing like a guard you your head is in the right place
Starting point is 01:20:32 here it's totally right and this is a huge point like you just you just gave them a little bit of a reminder like if you guys really you really want to do this okay fine like we'll do this and even though it wasn't a challenge whatsoever it was probably fun for your teammates to shut those other guys up if they were, in fact, talking shit. So I think what you did is fine. It's great. And they're staying on the court. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Winners. Okay, thanks to Vacation. Thanks to Vacation Kyle. Happy birthday to your dad. Send him a big 6-0 happy birthday from the Alliance and everyone here, Brian Russillo podcast thanks to Trudy, enjoy the games
Starting point is 01:21:10 this weekend, we'll be back Monday recapping all of it Brian Russillo podcast, Ringer Spotify We'll be right back. Must be 21 and older and present in select states. FanDuel is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com forward slash RG in Colorado, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Tennessee, and Virginia. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 in Arizona. or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 in Arizona, 1-888-789-7777, or visit ccpg.org forward slash chat in Connecticut, 1-800-9-WITH-IT in Indiana, 1-800-522-4700, or visit ksgamblinghelp.com in Kansas, 1-877-770-STOP in Louisiana, visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland, visit 1-800-GAMBLER.net in West
Starting point is 01:22:27 Virginia, or call 1-800-522-4700 in Wyoming. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-800-8-HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY in New York.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.