The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Danny Kanell on Ohio State, the USC job and a Wild CFB Idea, Plus Should We Be Nicer?

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

Russillo shares his thoughts on the evolution of athlete criticism (0:25) before he is joined by his former colleague Danny Kanell of SiriusXM and CBS Sports to discuss college football. They hit on Ohio State’s loss to Oregon, the recently open head coach position at USC, Iowa’s outlook, the early impact of NIL, GOAT of the week, and more (14:00). Finally Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (57:40). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Danny Kanell Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We got a white hot intro for you today. I want to talk about the criticism of athletes and where that is headed, because I think we've seen a change. And Danny Cannell, college football, a ton of stuff from him, including the USC job, And we have life advice. Joey Friday. For today's open, I've been thinking about this topic and kind of where this is. I'm just going to be kind of working this out out loud here.

I've been thinking about this now for a while because I think in the last couple of years, things have changed. There's been a lot of things in the last two years that have changed. And specifically, the way we talk about certain subjects. And specific to what I do, I talk about sports basically every day for a living for almost two decades now. I've noticed that how we criticize athletes, that is being questioned maybe more now than ever. I think there's a pushback to certain criticism that there never was when I was younger.

I mean, if you just wanted to crush a guy, you could crush a guy. But now if you do it on social media, I also think this is a big part of it too is that i was talking with a reporter about this in the past if you had it out for somebody you could just trash them and they were kind of at your mercy and that was a very different dynamic between the relationship between media and then subject and in this case the most part it's almost always athletes except for coaches gms right but for the most part it is athletes um, when the athlete previously was powerless, now the athlete could just go right back at you. And what I've noticed, I think we would all agree, is that there is this rush to either defend the player

from the criticism or go at the reporter. Just straight up destroying an athlete now is not cool and you are gonna get blowback and then the athlete can go back at you and let's face it nobody has rossillo jerseys on at home okay nobody's got a colin cowher tank top although i did think he at some point he had a line of those but you get the point like none of no one of none of these people are rooting for us as emotionally as they are rooting for their favorite athletes so I have noticed a shift in how critical we can be about certain people. Now, if we keep it as a right now in a news item, you can look at Carmelo Anthony, who I've always really liked. I like him as a guy.

I like him as a player. He probably feels overrated because he was kind of marketed as if he lived in that tier one neighborhood of stars and he wasn't those guys. If you go through all the playoff losses, I've said this numerous times. Almost every time he lost in playoffs, he lost to a team that was better than him, except for maybe one time and then maybe other time where the teams were even. But I think there's like five or six other playoff exits where like, yeah, that other team was just better than him. All right. I like Melo. But he said recently not having a ring keeps him up at night. but he said recently not having a ring keeps him up at night um he also said in 2016 that if he had three gold medals that that would be better than nba championship and here's what i can guarantee

you he is he's well positioned now with the lakers to win a ring i don't think him winning a ring now turns it all over like hey were we wrong about mellow i mean come on let's not be idiots about this but i don't think Carmelo Anthony, after he would win potentially a championship next year with the Lakers, would be like, you know what, I still like those three gold medals. Because the people that are dismissive of the ultimate accomplishment,

a championship in their respective sport, the only people that are diminishing the value of that are the guys that have never done it. Russell Westbrook got into it with Stephen A. Smith earlier this season after Stephen A. criticized him on first take. I thought Stephen A.'s criticisms were fair. Russell Westbrook got into it with Stephen A. Smith earlier this season after Stephen A. criticized him in first take. I thought Stephen A.'s criticisms were fair. Russell Westbrook though put together a really smart, educated

response. I'm going to get to that a little bit later. We've seen this at times where athletes that did not accomplish, and it really is for the NBA star and quarterback. Those are the two things we seem to care the most about, that void of a championship. If a guy ends up finishing up a really great 15-year career and then it's like,

hey, look, it's not the end of the world. I did some great things in my community. I did this. I started a family and all these things. You're like, yeah, that's cool. Because nobody in your city's talk show base, nobody was on the air being like, this guy's just a great guy, though. He's a great guy, even though we can't get out of the playoffs.

So you get the point. But I do think that there is this bit of shift. And I don't know where it's going. And that's, I think, it's an unanswerable question right now. I wonder where this is all going because there's been so much support of the athlete. I'm going to use an example that's completely outside

of my comfort zone in tennis, and that's Naomi Osaka. I would like to think that I'm not a jerk. I would look at her story and go, man, if she's struggling this way and she's just withdrawn from all these tournaments because she just can't take it,

okay, she needs to do the best thing for her. But I will openly admit there's part of me that would go, okay, but what if she just keeps withdrawing all the time? Does that mean that I would have to defend her? Again, if I were a tennis analyst on TV, that was my thing. Would I have to stay married to that the whole time? Would I have to defend her forever because I defended her in the beginning?

I mean, this is a really delicate thing because you're talking about somebody's mental health. Look, I don't know her. Okay, I don't know her. I don't cover the sport, all that. But I think that there's two sides of that where one side is more supportive, but there's also another side of like, okay, but what if, what if this keeps happening all the time? Does it mean that she's always right? And that I would always have to defend her. And so when I started thinking about the Osaka situation, I then, you know, just finished up the new Netflix doc about Marty Fish. Marty Fish is

somebody I've been friendly with over the years. He's been great. He's been greater to me than I've been to him. He's invited me to stuff, and I just don't golf. But he's a really good guy, and we have a couple mutual friends. And I sent him a text after I watched the doc because it's unbelievable. Here's somebody who was supposed to be the next big American tennis player. Roddick ends up surpassing him. Marty Fish completely revamps his workouts. It starts winning tournaments.

He's the next American hope. He's facing Federer in a slam and he withdraws because he's been dealing with all of this stuff, this anxiety where his heart is racing. I think one night he woke up in the middle of the night and his heart rate was over 200 beats per minute. I mean, just insane. And he couldn't figure out what's going on inside of him. And he's winning some matches and he has to face Federer and he's freaking out about it. And his wife's like, you know, you don't have to play. And he's like, what do you mean I don't have to play? If I were a tennis analyst at that time, when that happened without of course

knowing any of the stuff that marty fish is struggling with then i just would have been like well you know i don't know what i would have been like on tv but i probably would have been like look you gotta answer the bell you know this is what you do this is what you signed up for this is why you went through and trained your entire life and went to these schools and these camps and all of this like everything is for this moment even if you don't think you know you got to go out there and do this and now armed with more information years later watching the documentary i'm like man you know what i've been like retroactively criticized for being critical of somebody that i didn't know anything about so the marty fish doc and again it's not like i'm talking about osaka all the

time but you get the point like you go you know, maybe there's some caution here. But now, as it relates to the sports that I talk about, I think we've seen the Kwame Brown example is a really good kind of, I don't know if it's a tipping point or if it's a line in the timeline of how people talk about other public figures in sports. But Kwame Brown is a bust. All right. He is. He just is. He's the number one overall pick. Jordan took him for the Wizards straight out of high school when they were still doing that. We're going to

start doing it again here soon. Um, it didn't work out, but then Kwame Brown, like when it dudes, he was going at everybody. We were seeing the videos and like, I actually think dude's got a little scared of him at that time. But the way we all understand the definition of bust, he is that, we all understand the definition of bust. He is that, you know, he had a long career and yet I don't think anybody would say, Hey,

that worked out to the expectations that you have for somebody like that. And, you know, then, then it became kind of this public push. And again, it was on social media where it then became like, Hey, who are you to criticize Kwame Brown?

Man played 13, 14 years, made $63 million. It's not his fault. He was taken number one. And it was weird because I was like, whoa, wait a minute, because this is how it's going to be in a few years. Like, are we ever going to get to that point where we start kind of rationalizing people that don't live up to the sports expectations that we have of them, that now we're going to start looking at these other things and be like, hey, 63 million,

you know, played over a decade, wasn't his fault, he was number one. Like, is that what the future of this will be? Will we be so protective? Will we be so sensitive to potential criticism that you could have guys that do what I do for a living or all the different people on different television shows start talking about athletes this way

to avoid seeming unfair or too critical? about athletes this way to avoid seeming unfair or too critical. Um, you know, like I said, I don't, I don't love spending my entire professional life talking about people that are better at things than I am. Um, I guess the counterpoint to that could be at least I'm getting paid for it. Um, I know, as I've said numerous times, I never played a game that anyone ever cared about. I'd like to think after almost 20 years in the business, on the air since 2002, 2003, and I don't know how many thousands of hours of watching these games and all the years of watching games going back to like seven years old that I hope I picked up a few things. I'd like to think that some of this comes from some wealth of information through observation

of decades and reading and all the pages that are put together and like, hey, if I'm going to be critical of somebody, I'd like to think that there's some foundation of knowledge or understanding of what it is that I'm watching because that would be really frustrating if i just didn't know anything after all this time and i know that there's always going to be a guy that will say like who are you to criticize anyone you never played look i just told you i never played but like who are you guy part-time at cumbies with a hundred thousand political tweets. Where is your career going that will lead to potential elected official one day? So we all talk about stuff, whether for our jobs or in our free time,

we all talk about stuff that is probably not our profession. I want to get to Russell Westbrook's comments after Stephen A. Smith. Now, Stephen A. was like, look, the triple doubles don't mean anything. He goes, you can't win. All right, can't win. There we go again. Can't win. Triple doubles don't mean anything. I have been critical of Russell Westbrook because I just think there are times that he makes monumental mistakes at the ends of games, especially with some of the defensive freelancing. Lake of Shands, you'll get to see it firsthand.

Enjoy, because I don't think that's ever going to change. Now, it sounds like I'm being mean and being critical. Now, Russell Westbrook said in response to Stephen A., and it was a really thoughtful, smart response. And I'll paraphrase it a little bit, but he's like, look, I'm an NBA champion just by making it to the NBA. Okay. He said, my legacy is not based on what i do on this court okay and he's done a ton for communities he's done a ton for underserved communities these are all facts he's done some amazing stuff and he points those things out but for what we do are we ever going to be to the point where somebody's arguing russell westbrook on a TV show? And they're like, you know, look, you made a mistake in the playoffs.

You know, that's the cost him game five. It's Lakers are down three, two. Is somebody then supposed to go, do you understand what this man has done for his community? I can't imagine that that's ever going to happen. And I can't imagine that any of you would want it to get to that point because that's not really what the job is for me. And it's not really what the job is for any athlete that's trying to accomplish the ultimate goal. Think about it in your own life. I think if you, and I know plenty of people listen to this podcast. If you're a guy who runs a sales team, right? And there's 10 people on it. Doug's in 10th place all the time. You're setting sales markers that you want people to get to.

Doug never hits them. Would you have a six-month review with Doug where you're like, look, I know you're last literally all the time. You're the worst salesperson we have on the staff. But you're a hell of a dad. You're a hell of a dad. So that's good enough for me. Now, it depends on what you're a hell of a dad. You're a hell of a dad, so that's good enough for me. Now, it depends on what you're pushing here, but for the most part, you know if you ran this sales team, Doug's going to have some tough days ahead if he's always last.

Look, it happens for me in my business. You think if I were at ESPN for a couple years, they'd go, hey, he's just a solid guy. You get to know him as Rosillo. Can't pull a number to save his life and his billings last of any radio show, but I just like him. Although I'd argue maybe some decisions are made that way. If you do what I do long enough,

at some point you're going to have to pull a number, get an audience, and pay the bills. And nobody would say, you know, no one listens. We lose money on the deal. But he does a lot for his sisters. Because none of you give a shit about that. It's nice if I did.

It's nice if all of these athletes were at peace because of the things that they do outside. Think of it this way. If you're a college football fan and your team came in third in the division, do you care about graduation rates? Do you really? It's nice. It's nice. Like imagine talking about David Shaw and you're on a college football show

and somebody goes, is Stanford regressing? You're like, I don't know. But have you seen the team's GPA? We can pretend all of these things matter. And yes, they do. So I'm not being dismissive. But for the rules, as I like to reference all the time, these are the rules. For the rules, for what we do when they play and reach certain levels or don't, and for what we do on the other side and talk about these guys, as much as I've seen it change and this slight shift, I don't think in five years we're going to be so supportive of all the stuff

that has nothing to do with results of games that the criticism is going to become overhauled. Danny Cannell, former partner now with CBS and also doing what the ESPNU morning show again, correct? Yeah, me and Dusty Dvorak. 7 to 10 AM, Channel 84. New partner, man. I'm rolling through these partners, man.

What's up with you? I don't know. Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm the jinx. I should just avoid people like the plague. I'm rolling through them though. But Dusty's a good dude. He's a good dude. We're having fun. Yeah, I enjoyed coming on last Friday, I think

I came on. And that's a great place to start because Ohio State, Oregon, you're like, well, look, Ohio State's at home. Oregon didn't look great in their opener. I'm not sure what to make Anthony Brown. I watched him for all those years at BC. They're missing Kayvon Thibodeau. Justin Flo, who's another five-star front guy,

who's now out for the season, so I don't know what's going to happen with Kayvon. Then they go to Ohio State. How about this number? There's been only one top-five team to lose at home versus a non-conference. Granted, Oregon's a good team. Only one team has done it in the last 10 years,

and Ohio State's done it twice. Now, the other time was 17 against a really good Oklahoma team, so that sounds way worse than it is when it's like, hey, you're actually losing some good teams. I think a couple things stood out. Take it wherever you want to go. The physicality, Ohio State trying to figure out this defense,

and Brown, he's a big dude. I think he was pretty good throughout. Verdell was really good. I love him at running back. I think he got maybe a little bit more rattled there towards the end. But I think the bigger issue is Ohio State puts up 612 yards on the ground and they lose that game because of the defense right now. Yeah, that was the surprise to me.

I mean, there was a couple surprises. One, if you would have said Thibodeau's not playing, I would have said no chance. Like, they're done. And then he's out there, you know, cheering from the sidelines, not taking the field. And you're like, whoa, this is happening without him.

It felt similar. And I think there's some backlash coming too. Remember the LSU-Mississippi State game last year and Bo Pelini refused to make any adjustments. And Mississippi State's just throwing all over and you're like, oh, Mike Leach is going to tear apart the SEC. And then you go back and watch the tape and you're like, oh, wait

a second. Bo Pelain just sat in the same defense all day and didn't make any adjustments. It feels like that's what's been happening at Ohio State with Terry Coombs running the defense. And they're playing a ton of cover three and a ton of man. And not a lot. So that's basically it's a single high safety look.

And the variation office is they're running man underneath with the single safety or they're just playing cover three zone. And they're mixing it up a little bit. But Joe Moorhead was on it. He's watched them all last year. And there's a part of me that probably is thinking Joe Moorhead during that game is like, oh my gosh, they're not going to make any more adjustments. They're not going to throw us any looks.

They kept running into the boundary and we're just gashing them. And you saw no response from Ohio State, which is why I think Brian Day has alluded today to some of the staff adjustments maybe taking place. Maybe we'll find out more information about that. But last year, Ohio State had an excuse.

I was like, oh, COVID, short offseason, no spring, new defensive coordinator. You don't have time to implement a lot of strategy, a lot of new looks, time to mix it up so you can disguise. But you had a whole offseason, no spring, new defensive coordinator. You don't have time to implement a lot of strategy, a lot of new looks, time to mix it up so you can disguise. But you had a whole offseason this year and you went out there and did the same thing that you did all last year that everybody kind of

gave you a pass for and was like, well, they're getting torched because they're just very basic. Well, they were basic once again this year and I think they have to make massive changes. And I think the other thing that's dramatically missing is there's not a Bosa brother there's not a Chase Young there's not a game changer

on the defensive line that can really wreak havoc on you know an opponent and credit to the Ducks man this shouldn't be that much of a surprise though Mario Cristobal offensive line coach you know offensive line mentality physical good for him man huge win for the Pac-12.

I want to expand it out to the Pac-12. I'll stay with it when Ohio State a little bit more. It's funny, though, too, when you think about that LSU game. Can you remember the Mississippi State quarterback from that game? Yeah, it was KJ Costello, right? Yeah, 623 yards, Heisman frontrunner, maybe a first-rounder, benched. Later that season, undrafted, was waived by the Chargers in August. That was quite a run for KJ Costello. I had some fun tweeting during that game,

I was just going to say. No, I know. We'll get to some of your tweets based on UCLA a little bit later. Kerry Coombs, the D coordinator you mentioned, he's never been a coordinator before last year. And that single high safety thing that Day has talked about, like this is what we want.

And now, look, I don't know what's fair or not. I don't pretend to understand the defensive schemes the way you would see them. Day's, I almost, look, at some point you're going to have a part of your team that isn't up to the standard, right? I don't care who you are. Maybe Clemson will struggle on offense. I don't really think that's going to happen this year because I like DJ. But you get the point. And so now Day has to the standard, right? I don't care who you are. Maybe Clemson will struggle on offense. I don't really think that's going to happen this year

because I like DJ, but you get the point. And so now Day has to answer for, hey, are you going to fire this guy? Are you going to reshuffle your defensive staffing even though there's not a lot of experience with this staff of guys actually calling plays? Do you think, can you tell already enough? Because the stats for this year,

I don't want to hear about. I mean, they played two, they played a really good Oregon team and a Minnesota team that's done a slouch. The stats are going to get better their next couple games before they get back in a Big Ten play. But can you see a scheme that doesn't match personnel? Do you see that where maybe it's Oregon running plays where it felt like that guy could sit down in the middle of whatever the coverage is in front of the safety and that throw was there for him all the time, and he kind of took it away from him.

At that point, it felt a little too late. I'm curious, through the vision of the way you see the game, do you see these happening where you're like, hey, look, you can play this single high safety, but this is not working? It's been done before. I mean, the Legion of Boom in Seattle, they were an unbelievable cover three team, right?

I mean, that's what Richard Sherman gets trolled by every defensive back in the country that wants to say they're as good as him and say, well, yeah, I could have played in that cover three because it's pretty simplistic. You have help with the safety over the top. You're in zone. You don't have to chase the best receivers across the middle.

So it can be done. But I do think the missing piece up front, like you got to have pressure up front to really impose this, to try to shut down the run attack. They got pushed around up front. The thing about it, cover three is there's a single high safety where it's the free safety or the strong safety. You can mix them. You can match.

It's supposed to be a good defense against the run. You're getting an extra guy up in the box and you have three deep. The safety and the two corners have the thirds across the back, but you have more run support. That, to me, is what should be concerning, is that you couldn't get off the field running that defense. You couldn't stop the run doing

that. That, to me, is the bigger problem. Personnel, I just think you've got to... I think the personnel, I mean, this team, I mean, look at the recruiting rankings, but, you know, like there was a lot expected of Jack Sawyer, a true freshman, but for him to come in and, you know, he's been all right.

Haskell Garrett's been okay, but they just have not had, again, that Bosa brother type player, the Chase Young impact player. And when we talk about the championship teams, what do we talk about? that Bosa brother type player, the Chase Young impact player. And when we talk about the championship teams, what do we talk about? When we look at Georgia, defensive front, right? I mean, that's always the SEC difference, right?

And Clemson, of course, has some dudes up there too. It's the defensive line play. And for me, that is a part of the issue. And if they're not wreaking havoc, it is very easy to start picking apart a simplistic single high safety look every time, whether it's in the run game or the pass game. I mean, most passing concepts are built off, all right, there's one safety, single high safety,

I'm going to work this side of the field. If there's two safeties, I'm working this side of the field. And if you are getting majority of single high safety, you kind of know which side you're working already. And then you can work mirrored routes because you can work either side. You start taking your pick. So I think it's a problem for Ohio State. I think they're going to have to look at the personnel and say, we are not getting the game-changing, wreaking havoc type of play up front where we need to start bringing pressure. We need to start bringing safeties up, bringing backers, bringing blitz, bringing pressure, something apart from what they were doing in that game. Because it's just not working.

Minnesota was running the ball all over them, too, before Ibrahim got hurt as well. I mean, he was torching them too. It wasn't like, oh, this is just Oregon. They were getting shredded by them too. Oregon's the most talented team in the Pac-12. The recruiting rankings would back it up. I think that's what everybody expected here, but we also expected

the other team to be USC. We can get to UCLA here in a moment here. I think overall, if you look at the depth of the Pac-12, it's been a bad start. I mean, the Pac-12 North performance in the first week, you're like, what the hell is going on here?

And then last week, you know, preseason ranked teams in Utah, you know, BYU beat them up. Washington, Michigan, it wasn't even close. You would have thought Washington looked like

a group of five team with the way they match the Wolverines, who we still probably are not 100% sure about. And then you have the SC part of this. All right.

You know, it's crazy to think Clay Helton, this was his seventh season. He had an interim head coach at the moment there too. I live out here. No one liked him as the head coach. They like him as the guy. That's fine. He's a nice guy.

And now the pieces are coming out. He wanted to be everybody's friend. There's no accountability, all this different stuff. All the alums were over him for a couple years. How good do you think this job is now? It's funny because I was talking about it on my morning show and was kicking it around. It's not what it used to be. I think there's some similarities.

Florida State had a rude awakening when the jobs opened. They move on from Willie Taggart. And you have some delusional fans who are like, oh, go get Bob Stoops or go get whoever you can get. Maybe we should bring in Urban Meyer. Who cares if he coached at Florida? And I'm thinking, wait a second. This isn't the program that it was a decade ago.

This is a massive rebuild. And I kind of had that feeling about USC. But then it was funny. I was talking to Rick Neuheisel, who played at UCLA, coached at UCLA. And he was big on, no, it's a top job in the country. It's the best country. You could build Alabama West if you do it right. And you start thinking about it. You're like, all right, you're the anchor in California. If you can just get back to owning the state, that is a talent-rich state. You've got talent all over the place. Yes, you'd have to go against UCLA, but they've never really been able to overtake USC. Yes, you'd have to go against Oregon, but at least you can sell them on, you can stay closer to home in your backyard. Maybe you can dip into Texas. It still does have a lot of attractive features to it.

You get to live in LA. And then I think maybe the most attractive thing about it, you got to beat Oregon. Like who else? And I know Chip's doing a great job, but right now, like you should be able to get this thing turned around pretty quickly.

You should be able to win division titles and play Oregon or Washington from the north. And even with Oregon, Mario Cristobal is doing a great job, but it's not like he just has everything on lockdown and just owns the Pac-12. So there's an opportunity there for you to win conference championships,

get in the playoffs, and carry your conference. I think it is a top job. Even though I was kind of down on it, you stack and you take a 30,000 foot perspective. All right, where is it located? What's your competition to go through? Perception, history,

all the things that you look for, facilities, weather. The facilities, I'm curious, you probably have had more experience in the facilities than me. I've been there a couple times on bus tours, rolled through them. I'm not a big facility guy. I don't need to see

a waterfall in the bathroom, in the locker room. I don't need to see an indoor practice facility, especially in LA when it doesn't rain much. But everything looked adequate to me. It looked like that shouldn't be something that prohibits you from recruiting. So it has all the pieces.

Why wouldn't it be top three? I've talked to a few different programs about the NIL, which other people have stated is just, hey, cheating is legal now. All right. I don't think there's any reason now with the NIL that the USC job can't be a top five job. And if I were running one of these programs on top of however aggressive I could be with recruiting now, I would want brand managers. I would want people that have been making six figures and I'd pay them double that are doing stuff with Instagram and building these. I know this sounds stupid,

but people on TikTok, I would be going after them to bring them in and then having them sell their message to recruits and being like, if you can do whatever you think you're capable of as a brand, which again, we know there's going to be a big correction after a couple of years of some boosters being like, how much money did I give away? Like, what's, what's, what was, was this really worth it? Okay. Not that it hasn't happened previously, but there will be some kind of correction, even though I'm happy these kids are getting extra money.

If you're, if you're about that, right? If you're a top five-star kid and you're tweeting constantly and you're sending out videos and you're like, hey, I've narrowed it down to my final 13 and you live off of that attention, then you need to, if you're USC,

be talking about LA being the backdrop to your not only football experience, but all whatever, even if it's not accurate and even if you're not good. Like there's no reason why you shouldn't be making that like as big a part of the selling point

on top of maybe playing in the NFL one day. You've got to have a guy that has that kind of energy and that kind of vision to come in and do it because, look, let's not kid ourselves. The schools that are picking off the kids, the really good kids from California, they were a little, let's just say, more aggressive in their recruiting. USC, clearly with everything they've gone through, wasn't willing to be as aggressive. And if you want to read between the lines, read Bruce Feldman's piece going back to this summary.

I apologize, did it with another writer with The Athletic, where they were talking to all these different coaches about the state of California and the recruiting, and they're like, look, this is no... We're losing a lot of in-state guys here because we're not doing business the way other people are doing business. Now you don't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore. So I think with that,

I mean, if they can't look, they may not get the name right or whatever, but the opportunity, they are positioned even better now to keep talent in state, which they've not been doing a good job of. Just pays more. Look at the opportunity it would have in Hollywood alone. If they had the movie industry, there's no show like Entourage now alone. Like, you know, if they had the movie industry, there's no show like Entourage now. But remember Entourage was on and they had all the star cameos. They had every celebrity.

Were you in it? What season were you in it? No, I missed that. I was too busy. I think I was busy in the weight room, but I couldn't shoot that day. I was too focused on the career. Just think though, if you had been with the Giants,

if you were a starter with the Giants and Entourage was going on at the same time, you would have, you would have been in. Yeah. There could have been a scene written in there, but think about that cell alone for today's high schooler to be a part of

some show, some movie, some aspect of Hollywood that you could tie in, say, this is in our backyard and we can pay you to do these scenes in the off season. It'd be insane. As far as the Rock show still going?

That one would be perfect. He would be all over that right now. Yeah, I do think that those things are always overblown. I'm with you. I'd be selling it, but I don't know how well... Cash is king.

Yeah. Because how many guys go out to the Lakers thinking that they're going to be some huge star? Dwight Howard thought he was going to be really being movies. It's like actually nobody likes you and you're weird. So I donakers thinking that they're going to be some huge star? Like Dwight Howard thought he was going to be like really be in movies. It's like actually nobody likes you and you're weird. So I don't know that you're going to be a star of any of these movies you want to be in.

And a lot of times too, it's like with the basketball guys, but cool, you're 7'1". What do you want to play? We're not going to be able to cast you for a new version of Friends, dude. It's just not going to work. All right. You told me before this, you have a philosophical shift that I'd be surprised about. Does this segue into this then? Yeah. Or is it something completely different? No, I do think it does. I think it transitions perfectly. So the last time I was on here,

and you know me, we've talked a lot about this. And this offseason has been such a major topic about NIL, where we're going with the sport, the concern of it. The last time I was on with you, you asked me when there's enough money to go around. Because that was the thing. It was always like, well, there's numbers. You can fudge the numbers. Is there enough money to go around for everybody? You were like, there's enough money. I agree.

I think with NIL, in a large part, this was kind of trying to solve the problem of the same four teams in the playoff since it's began. There's only the same four teams. We need parity. We want to break this thing up somehow. How are we going to do it?

I'm looking 20 years in the future. the future. I'm seeing what Brett Kavanaugh said, the Supreme Court Justice in Austin versus the NCAA, when he basically opened up the door, said, what's been going on in college football is wrong. You cannot control the wages anymore. You can't any other business. This is illegal. He opened up the door. So I'm all in. Let's go all in. We're already minor league football. We're already minor league NFL. We have free agency. We have NIL. You know, we've got all those pieces

where it looks kind of like it. Let's just go all the way. And then you want parody? Like you want to see new players at the table, new seats at the table? Let's go ahead. Let's make them employees. Let's get them a union. Let's get them a portion of the revenue. And you know what else let go ahead. Let's make them employees. Let's get them a union.

Let's get them a portion of the revenue. And you know what else let's get? Let's have a draft. Let's have a cap, salary cap. And let's go ahead and overhaul the sport. Like if we're going to, I'm all in. Like I'm done. Like, because-

You want a draft now? Yeah, I'm all in. Like, hey, you guys wanted this? You guys wanted this? School optional. Like, who cares? You want to agree? Like, sure, go ahead. But that You guys wanted this? School optional. Like, who cares? You want to agree? Like, sure, go ahead.

But that's going to be like the 20-hour rule is going to be you're only allowed to go to school for 20 hours. The rest of the day, you're going to be working. But like, if we're going to go this way, and it does feel like we're getting there, and I think that's where Greg Sankey, the commissioner of the SEC, I think he's playing light years ahead because I think he's trying to get more aggressive.

It's why he was willing to add Oklahoma and Texas. They know what's coming. So they want to have the most marketable product out there so they can get the best media rights deal. So then when they have to start spreading the money around to the players, they have the biggest pie. That's the term they always use in the NFLPA, like the portions of the pie. They want the biggest pie available. So you start to have to pay the players. You have more money to give it to them.

Let's get there. Like, let's just get there. Does that mean UConn would get the first pick? Because I don't like this idea. Well, it might be Vanderbilt. Like in reality, like it might be worst of the SEC. That's where I worry about the future of the game, but we're going there.

Like whether we like it or not. So if we're tired of seeing... And basically, I had this epiphany during Alabama, just rolling through Miami. I took the under 11.5 wins thinking, surely, they're going to have a little bit, just a little bit of regression. I didn't think Miami would beat them. I thought maybe it would be in College Station against Texas A&M, maybe LSU, maybe on the road against Auburn. They're going to run the table again. It's just because they have the most talent. That's why I told my Miami Hurricanes friends, who are diehard Hurricanes friends,

I'm like, you guys don't have a chance. It is not a fair fight. And for 11 teams, maybe 12 that play Alabama every year, it's not a fair fight. You know what's a fair fight? The NFL. Like, it's a fair fight every single weekend. Rosters are marginally better

or marginally worse, and the difference from the Kansas City Chiefs to the Jacksonville Jaguars, as bad as they look, it's not that great of a difference. Like, I'm done. Let's go. I still look.

The lack of parity is frustrating for everybody. People are going to be more mad about it because basically that means all these other teams that think they have a chance don't have a chance after watching Bama the first couple weeks. I still like to believe in the idea of surprises. 20 of 28 spots going to those four teams is absurd. I don't think that's normal.

I don't think it would continue, but maybe it would. I don't... What you're talking about would bring all sorts of parity. I think you're blowing it up a little bit more, but the NIL thing, I think the NCAA is giving up a bit where they're just like, I don't think that I actually think after the Nevin Shapiro thing, they kind of were like, all right, so we had this guy dead to rights and we fucked this one up too. It's like, what are we doing?

What are we doing here? this guy dead to rights and we fucked this one up too it's like what are we doing like what are we doing here and when some of the recruiting stuff is based around you know before the nil it's like okay well how how did how do some of these stories work and you would hear about like well the relative gets the job with whatever booster run some company big company there and what's the nc gonna do tell somebody they're not qualified for $100,000 a year job because of their education? Good luck with that because you're not going to be able to prove it. I think

the NIL is the best way the NCAA can say, hey, here's all this extra money now and you still can't have any of ours. Yes. That's really what this was. Absolutely. And that's why I thought it was the compromise because I really don't want to see players become employees. I really don't. Because I think, I mean, playing in the NFL

was the shock to the system of it is a job. You're no longer like guys are not passionate. There's a few I get that love the game of football, but it's like, what's the score? Who cares? Give me my check. Like you get on, you go on the plane. I'll never forget on the giants. We went on the road. When we walked back on the plane, the guy was there, like the, the, the payroll guy. And he had all these envelopes and be like, here's an alphabetically back here. Cannell, here's yours. You get your paycheck. And then you walk by Wellington Marrow's the owner of the team. And I look at him like, just like this this look of disgust, like I can't believe you have to cash that check after that performance, you know, and then after a good game, it's like, yeah, go spend that money. Like it was a weird atmosphere, but you lose a game. Doesn't matter. Just give me my paycheck. And you also you're you think

like players think now they're chewed up and spit out in the college world. Wait till you get cut. Wait till you start paying for a true paycheck as an employee and they don't have to honor your scholarship. Like that's the kind of, I don't want that to happen. And my philosophical shift is clearly a little bit hyperbolic, but it's kind of where we're headed. The NIL thing, I kind of was a little bit hopeful. And granted, it's the first year. I was a little bit hopeful that maybe you'd see

a program that was kind of on the outside, like maybe an Iowa or Nebraska. Nebraska's rabid fan base, deep along, like deep boosters. They sell out all the time. Maybe they would be a team, a program that would have somebody step up or a group of people step up and say, you know what? We're tired. We're tired of not being the team we were in the 90s. Here's $10 million. Go buy us the best roster.

Best four and five stars. Let's go lock it up. Maybe that happens. But what we've seen transpire early, what are the biggest deals we've seen at Clemson, at Alabama, at Ohio State, like at the usual suspects. So like, I don't think- That's the problem. Just, yeah, just, no, you're right. Because I mean, if Nebraska says,

hey, here's 10 million to go get players that we didn't have here before, whoever you were going to pay the most, you'd have to pay the most you'd have to pay him like five times what those other programs are going to give him and then you start saying like this is ridiculous right you know i talked to one guy it was like imagine if you get a recruit wrong in the previous regime it's like all right we got this four-star guy he was wrong but now if you're staff and you're telling the guy like hey you gotta write a check

for this kid and then you're wrong it wrong. It's like a totally different deal. It's just like, hey, we're talking seven figures to this guy. We're locking him up. And then you're wrong about it. I mean, you thought the job was tough before. Do you know, real quick, this last thing on the NIL. Do you know the thing that's hilarious about this? The NCAA is like, well, the one thing we're not going to allow

is this is not going to be for recruiting. We're going to let this go, but this is not pay for play. And then we've seen all these deals and nobody's like, yep, this is what it's going to be. So I just think that's hilarious. The NCAA was still

trying to go to their grave saying this is not going to be about recruiting. And that's all this is about. That's like the Alliance memo that made it out in the bullet points. It was like gender equality. And then it was all of these things. And the eighth one was- Academics.

Yeah. And the eighth one was like an ability to increase our television revenue. You just go, you know. But I don't know. Look, I think the society's conditioned to like fake. And that's what people think everybody wants, and it's better to say all of these things that no one thinks is true, but we consume it better because we just came straight out and said,

hey, it's just about the money. Then they get crushed by that, by the crowd that's like, hey, we already know what it's about. You know, I think what you're saying here, I don't want to get too derailed on this because there's still some other college football stuff that I want to talk about. I know you, and this is you telling everybody that hated the NCAA, hated the college athletic

structure, that you're like, okay, you wanted it all. Here you go. And I don't want that button to be pressed. I just don't. I think there's a way that I think football maybe could just become its own thing where it's still aligned with the schools, and you just let them do whatever they want. I mean, it was close to that happening already. And whatever things you want to have in place for the NCAA.

Dana O'Neill was writing about this this week, the athletic, and it was really good. It might be a little boring for some people, but she was digging through the entire rulebook. And you can find all sorts of stuff in there that doesn't make any sense. But they've got to revamp this whole thing. But then after the fact, you're like, okay, what does it matter? I know you've talked about commissioner. Commissioner would be just as irrelevant as the president of the NCAA at this point because the school

presidents and the commissioners of the conferences aren't going to listen to that guy either. So, I don't know. Alright, let's get back to some more on the field stuff. Iowa. Yeah. Are you ready? It's happening again. It's happening again. Yeah, but this team, my biggest thing with Iowa

that year was the resume and i look i admit part of my flaw was i couldn't get over that wisconsin win when they shouldn't have won that game and i'm like wait you want this team playing for the national title after they lost to michigan state i felt like you know what they were a little better than i thought the resume still wasn't even close you were arguing for the football playoff because you just wanted to fuck with me the whole season that's fine fine. But they are defensively really solid. I think their one-two punch, the quarterback-running back deal is good enough. I don't know that I'm ready to pick them against Ohio State in a Big Ten championship game.

But where are you right now with the Hawkeyes? I was so glad you brought them up because I think we're going to see 2015. It was 2015 when they ran the table, lost to Michigan State. I think we're going to see 2015, right? It was 2015 when they ran the table, lost to Michigan State. I think we're going to see it all over again. Did you see? Yeah, but this is more impressive. This is two ranked teams to start the season. They've held them to 23 points. I'm telling you,

throughout that Iowa run, there wasn't the resume. And look, the Wisconsin game was so ugly that, yes, I couldn't help because most people I guarantee that I was arguing with didn't watch a three-hour Iowa-Wisconsin game the noon kickoff that day. Do you realize they got out-gamed against Iowa State 339 to 173? Yeah, but that's also the turnovers. Yes,

absolutely it is. I just feel like this is going to be a team that everyone's going to hate. They're going to be like, I don't want to see these guys go against Alabama. And I don't blame them. Like, it is not pretty. So at some point, like kudos to the AP who gave them the massive jump and put them at five. But are they going to have the balls to drop them down at all? Because they play Kent State, Colorado State,

Maryland before they play Penn State. Hey, Penn State, if they beat Penn State, I think Penn State's good, not great, but I really like their physicality. There were certain things in that Wisconsin game I didn't like, but Clifford was better in the second week, again, against a lesser opponent. There's some stuff there with Penn State where I feel like that's a nice win, man. I do, man. I do too. And the resume will be okay. But I just envision a scenario where if the conversation becomes Alabama, Georgia, Oregon,

and let's say Alabama beats Georgia in a bloodbath, like a close game. Oregon wins the Pac-12 and Oklahoma's in as a lock. Iowa's going to be that team that if they get there, no one's going to want to see get in. And I wouldn't blame them. And I think it's going to be eerily reminiscent of that year. They're just not pretty, but man, they play incredible defense.

They run the football. It's like a great 1995 team. But it's 2021 where you have to be more balanced. If they beat Penn State, let's see where Wisconsin is when they play them at the end of October and they beat Ohio State. That's different. You brought up

a good point, though. It's kind of like the Feinbaum thing that drives me crazy, where it's like, I don't want to see Oklahoma in the playoff again. You're like, you know what? If they're one of the four teams with the best resume, they're in. I don't care. I don't want to hear about how it looked before, and the same thing will happen to Notre Dame. Oh, I don't want to see Oklahoma in the playoff again. You're like, you know what? If they're one of the four teams with the best resume, they're in. I don't care. I don't want to hear about how it looked before. And the same thing will happen to Notre Dame. Oh, I don't want to see Notre Dame again.

And clearly he's not the only boy saying these things. The playoff, and I don't think the committee's influenced by this, but our discussions about it should never be influenced of like, oh, that's going to be terrible. It's like, okay, but were you there?

Like, were you there at the end of the season winning your conference championship if that's the way it lines up to be one of the clear four teams that should be voted into the playoff. And if you are and you don't like the matchup, it doesn't mean like, hey, you know what?

I think A&M would be a better matchup. People that argue that kind of stuff. Granted, look, A&M's got some issues because Haynes King, who was clearly the better quarterback compared to Calzado, he got crunched three different ways. I didn't know what was hurt most, his neck, his other leg, or the right leg, which is broken, I guess, and he's going to be out for some

time. Calzada, who lost the starting job or lost the competition for the starting job, I think we saw why. He was all over the place in that Colorado game. The defense is going to be there for A&M because they're talented. I actually like their running backs. I like their tight end. The A&M thing will be weird if

they coast for a while. But look, they'll have to answer for it at some point when they play Bama, so we'll find out for real. But it'd be weird if A&M were a one-loss team, then not in the conference championship if Bama runs the table 12-0, how the Colorado thing will be looked at. And it probably won't

matter at all. And then if Haynes King is back, then they'll just say, well, whatever. Calzado played that game. So I'm already kind of like projecting all the different things that I know you have a lot of angst about. But I'm actually happy that two weeks in, I think we are in this shuffling stage where Iowa State's probably out because they're going to beat Oklahoma twice, but the Big 12 still in it.

I think the Pac-12 feels stronger at the top with two teams that have a chance are going to play each other in Oregon and UCLA in October. The ACC, Clemson's probably going to roll through these teams, I would think, unless they're flawed and we haven't really quite seen it yet. And, you know, the Georgia game, whatever. But I'm at least open to the shuffling of some of these conferences outside of what we're seeing in Bama right now. I love it.

That was one of my takes from the weekend. And it's always been kind of like if and if you remove alabama and maybe georgia like how crazy maybe how much right right we don't know for sure yet right we don't promise georgia's schedule like it's like whatever we'll see and by the way florida the the backup QB behind Emory Jones, Richardson, did you see him this weekend? And now I know he had the hamstring. I don't know what his status is going to be. I saw AR-15 trending, and I was like, oh, no, not another bad.

Number 15, the quarterback, that's his nickname for the Gators. He needs to be starting today. And I think Dan Mullen, he reiterated that the quarterback was going to be Emery Jones versus Alabama. I think it's only because they're playing Alabama. I think if Florida was playing anybody else, he would make the switch. I don't think he wants to throw a young quarterback

to the Wolves just yet. But I think sooner rather than later, like by the Georgia game, I think Anthony Richardson is your quarterback for the Gators. I don't even think it's close. Like he has better skills. He's made better decisions. He's a better runner.

I think he's a total package. And I think you're just going to see it before it's only a matter of time. Did we leave anything out? From the college football world? I mean, we didn't really touch on Oklahoma. It's one of the top teams there. But I mean, the Tulane game touch on Oklahoma. It's one of the top teams there, but I mean, the Tulane game was kind of weird to be honest. Yeah, you know, my

boy Dusty called the game, and he was saying it was weird, and it was a weird circumstance because Tulane moved. They moved the game to Norman. I guess there were only like 20,000 people at the game. It was a noon kickoff. It was kind of lethargic.

But I don't know. Spencer Rattler, to me, is a tough one to judge. He was a little bit careless with the football, similar to the way he was last year. And he has this vibe about him where nothing bothers him, almost to a fault. Like, whatever.

I'm fine. He's a little bit too careless. I worry about Spencer Rattler as the guy to lead the team to the national championship you've got to can't worry about being cool or how you're looking when you're on the field you gotta you gotta roll through teams like that early

in the season and if he gets cute one of these teams are gonna clip them just like they did last year whether it was Kansas State or Iowa State somebody's gonna clip them just like they did last year, whether it was Kansas State or Iowa State, somebody's going to clip them. I think we covered most of it. I don't think we left out time. So I have a question for it. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't going to ask about Florida State.

Well, okay, we can do that after. To you, so can you be considered the super conference because you added Oklahoma and Texas like oh this great addition but then at the same time like Arkansas beats one of those teams

was supposed to make you a super team and Arkansas is the bottom dweller in the West can both of those things be true or are you now just adding two teams with one being exceptional and the other being another team so basically the goal of this concept is can we find a way to not give the sec credit for adding two teams that you think probably makes it even like the gap is even wider as wide as it's been i just it doesn't make sense to me

where they're all like yeah welcome to the sec well yeah well that means you're not welcoming a great team they just lost it like i thought you were doing this to make yourself stronger like are you really doing that so you would you would argue then if texas went to the acc you'd be like whatever we already have. You would say that. This is where you tweeted that out today. And then I pointed out that you ate up every UCLA dumping on LSU tweet. You loved every moment of it.

And I would say if Chip Kelly weren't the coach, I would have been a little harsher about it. Because I think if you're doing the get the gat dance after you win your first regular season game or second for UCLA, and LSU was doing the get the gat dance after you win your first regular season game, or second for UCLA, and LSU was doing it at the White House, just slightly different parameters there. But you loved all the UCLA content.

You couldn't get enough of it. And now you're telling me that you don't like the welcome to the SEC Texas stuff because Arkansas ran them over. It was ugly. It was. And now Sark, like, welcome to Austin. It's a. It was. Now Sark, welcome to Austin. It's a second game.

Here's what I'm telling you. It's a second game. We can make all the Texas jokes you want. I just refuse to believe that Texas now is just going to be forgive me here. I'm just trying to pick a bit. I don't think Texas is going to be UNC football

now for the next 20 years. And I know it's been a really long time. I mean, somebody was making the argument today that Texas has got it right once in how many decades with Matt. I can't believe that it would keep happening. And as disappointing as that game was, can we give Sark, I don't know, a month? Can we give him a season? Can we give him a season you know can we give him a season i i swear to god the test texas is back thing after the notre dame game which remember

we were doing the show and i was like cut that up and i said guys we need to play this like we were the originators of the of the texas is back sound i used to hit it all the time we'd have tests on i would just randomly hit it but test loved it that made it and then ellinger after they beat georgia and be like hey guess what like that's made it worse and i guess i'll look at like a usc going through all their problems and your squad and florida state going through all the i mean pick pick the brands that continue to have these long droughts i don't know what people want them to do they're not going to just stop playing football right they're going to try to figure it out. And so far, two weeks in for Sark, this is not what you wanted.

Their win total was eight and a half. Let's see where they finish. They're probably around an eight-win team when it's all said and done. I'm surprised they lost the way they lost, but they got a lot of work to do. Should we go out with a go the week? Yeah, let's do go to the week. No, it was yours originally. And we didn't give it enough love.

And I've always felt great shame for that. So, yeah, that's you. Let's finish up with Go To The Week. What do you got? So, Go To The Week, for those who maybe don't know, was a segment we did on Rosillo and Canal. And it could be anything, right? It could be Go To The Week, and you take it for what it is.

My Go To The Week? You were early on this, because just goat gets thrown around so much now that you were like, who's this week's goat? I couldn't have done it without Greeny. I couldn't have done it without Greeny because Greeny was throwing around goat like every single show. It was like, oh, that was the greatest of all time. That was the greatest performance.

What a goat. Greeny invited me on. I was on Get Up once and he was like, no one's more plugged in to the NBA than Ryan Russillo is. And I was like, well, Woj definitely definitely is and he looks at you with those eyes because greeny can't get that pissed at you although he got pissed me a couple times which is rare people loved it and you're just like you can't introduce me as the most plugged in nba guy in the country because there's a there's a pretty good list of reporters that actually are more plugged in than I am. But, but like, don't go me here.

And that's exactly what happened. Yes, exactly. All right. So my goat of the week, I'll give it to Brady Scott. Do you know who Brady Scott is? Congratulations on the engagement.

Yes. It must've been a phenomenal moment for you to get down on bended knee at dope Campbell stadium, right there in the end zone. While the other team is celebrating what was the worst loss in Florida State history.

Man, this is hard for me to discuss because I get it. I get congratulations. Just so people realize, Brady plays for Florida State. He's a backup offensive lineman, I believe. While he had prepped this out, I think they're beating Jacksonville State. people realize brady plays for florida state he's a backup offensive lineman yeah i believe and while he had prepped this out i think they're beating jacksonville state i'm going to propose to my

girlfriend in the stadium in front of everybody he just flew in his family oh so much family so that's probably why he did it but the the screen grabs of it are tough for your guy well they're tough for me like and i and then there's this where twitter is in the real world and everybody's like let him do his thing like this is personal this is his family and then they're tough for me. And then there's this where Twitter isn't the real world and everybody's like, let him do his thing. This is personal. This is his family. And then they're throwing because Coach Bowden died and his big thing was faith, family, football.

They'll be like, well, live by what Coach Bowden said. This is family. It's more important than football. All those things are true. But man, and it's weird because I don't want to just bash somebody to bash them. And I don't want to bash him or his fiance. It is a big moment. But how do we get to here where we let that happen? How do we have a mindset that is that detached from what just transpired in the field? times, I think in four years, maybe six. So when we've lost, it was devastation. Like I don't even want to see my girlfriend. I didn't want to see my family after the game because you were devastated.

Like you didn't want to do anything. We'd go back to the dorm, we'd drink, like it just drink our sorrows away. And then to just, to have that little feel for what it means and like a lot of people hey maybe he's a nice guy maybe he's too nice to listen to you right now but like that's the problem maybe that's part of the problem like maybe that's part of the problem maybe we're too nice maybe we don't care enough about winning and we're caring because that obviously took a lot of prep and it took a lot of thought and he did it as opposed to maybe prepping for the game and then afterwards to like be quote tweeting at barstool and like hey do you want to invite to the wedding like again it was the worst loss in florida state history it's the first loss to an fcs opponent and we're making light of something he did on the field like just

lay low or like call an audible like there's some great rooftop bars. You could have done like, I would have no problem with that. Go to recess early. Go to recess. Charlie Park's new spot up there. Beautiful spot. Like go up there. Like you could have had a,

still had a romantic thing. Like that's good. But man, it's just a tough look. And then he's got his offensive lineman buddies who are defending him. And I'm like, what are we doing? This is a massive like disconnect for me

from the mentality. Like, and I'll ask you, do you think this happens at Bama after a loss to anybody? They could lose to Auburn, like in an Iron Bowl. You think that's happening at Bama? You think that's happening at Ohio State?

You think that's happening at Clemson? No, like it's not. That's just, that's a mentality that does not creep in. Nick Saban's chewing out his team after they blew out Miami like he might chew out a player for doing it after a win like where's your

focus when I do it after the championship game don't do it after this game I don't know that's a lot of the way there's a lot in there that I have to the one I'm definitely pushing back on is that because he was prepping to propose to his girlfriend meant that a backup lineman couldn't prep for the game. That's ridiculous.

I'm going to push back on that one. I don't know if a guy like Bam or Clemson would do it. I mean, generations, as we see, people get younger and younger. That's usually what happens in science. We're constantly being like, why would you go ahead and do that? I bet you there would be somebody else that would do it. I can understand it not being a great look and maybe you needed the audible. Would you, if you were the offensive coordinator right now,

would you demand an annulment? So I usually, you know Court, my wife, I usually go to her for things like this, perspective. Like, let me get a grip of reality. Let me make sure I'm not being like chauvinistic or just, you know, not being sensitive enough. Yeah, all of it. All of it. I go to her. I showed her. She said, wait, are you serious? And that was my response. I haven't commented on this online. The only thing I did, I saw the

picture. I was like, is this real? Because I thought it was doctored. I thought it was like a Florida Gator fan trolling Florida State saying, look how bad it is. They're proposing after this loss. And then it was real. And I was like, wow. So I showed court and she's like, I can't believe that happened after that game. So she's on my side is all I would like to say. It is typically the offensive linemen that get whipped, though.

Man, they just... I'm a little bit of a loss for words. I don't even know where else to go with it. Their pool is smaller than the rest of the other players. They're big guys. And does it matter? No, that's where I'm... I don't want to rip him.

I'm just... You kind of just did for five minutes straight. But I'm surprised we're here. I'm surprised this is where we are at Florida State. But it is what it is. And that's where we are at Florida State. You're on every morning. Let's get a plug for the radio show again. Yes. Sirius XM, ESPNU Radio,

Channel 84 with Dusty Dvorak. 7 to 10. Eastern. Always good to catch up. I appreciate you jumping in throughout the season, man. Looking forward to it. You're the best. See ya. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolet what's up i have a ridiculous house in the south fork i have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids i am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required okay let's do a couple

life advice to set the tone for the weekend here. Lifeadvice, rr at gmail.com. Good to have Kyle back. Kyle, check me in. How are we? Good. A couple flights in a couple days. Always sucks, but I'm back.

Feels good to be back. What's the next trip? Not for a while, right? Not for a while. Yeah. Sounds good. I'm thinking about you. All right, here we go.

My fiance and I are about to move internationally for her to pursue a master. Yeah. Sounds good. Thinking about you. All right, here we go. My fiance and I about to move internationally for her to pursue a master's degree. Well, look at you. When we both graduated from undergrad,

I knew what I wanted to do and went and got my master's while she worked and supported me. Paid for around 90% of rent, utilities, food, etc. All right, that is a 90-10 split

support on her side. We agreed that when she went to pursue her master's that I would do the same for her. I have no issues covering all the necessities of living in full or any activities we do together. My problem is she recently brought up she also wants some kind of stipend for her own personal spending. That wasn't anything that happened while I was doing my master's. Those are two sentences for you, huh? Part of this is

because most of my master's happened during the pandemic, so there wasn't much personal spending to do, but it wasn't something which happened pre-pandemic either. My issue with the stipend question is that I'm going to have to start paying off student loans. I would like to start accumulating some savings to have a start on paying for things like a wedding house, emergency funds. I don't really have anything like that. My father or my family is in a great position to be giving me a pile of money. All right. So we're not backed by the family here. In addition, she has about 80% of our liquid assets. My argument is she should pay for her own expenses. She says she really wants to experience a new place to be living and so do I, but I don't think I should have to be on the hook for stuff she wants to go

and do on her own. I know it's a long explanation. Actually, you should see some of our emails. This is pretty efficient so far. I wanted to give you as full a picture as possible. Let me know what your take is. Wow. I don't know if this is a big deal, a huge deal, or not a big deal at all. Okay. As you point out, you didn't get a stipend.

Did you ask? And where are you turned down? I don't know what your spending habits are. It appears if you're already thinking about other things and wanting to save and they're going to be paying off the student loans that, you know, there's little things I'm picking up for this that you have some sort of financial responsibility and that you're not just out of control here. I would also say, like, if you guys are going to get married, whatever the stipend is, isn't there a pretty good chance at this point it's all sort of your money anyway and that you'd be paying for dinners and you'd be paying for experiencing this new place if you're trying to do it in somewhat of a budget to worry about the rest of the stuff? You're going to marry her

by all accounts, right? So I don't know if this is a draw a line in the sand type of thing. I think it's a weird request because my guess would be like whatever some of those personal spending things would be, because she not allowed to buy a shirt had she not had the stipend. Like, I don't know what that relationship is. Like, what if she charges a shirt and a handbag on something? I don't know what that relationship is. What if she charges a shirt and a handbag on something? Is it a huge argument? Or is the stipend for these items that, again, they make us feel better in short bursts,

and then you see the handbag in your closet six months later, and you're like, that didn't solve any problems. You could do something weird and be like, all right, yeah, that's no problem. We'll do a stipend, but we're probably not going to be able to get married for a couple more years now. Whatever we thought our start date of marriage and all that was, we may have to delay that a little bit because of the student loans and your stipend. If she's big into the wedding and wanting to marry you, that might be a tactic you could use there. I guess I just don't like the formality of it, but I don't want to be completely dismissive of her either. I just don't understand why would she need a stipend when chances are she's the one that has 80% of your liquid assets

and you're supposed to get this. This feels so transactional and so businesslike, and maybe this is the way you guys like it, that it almost feels a little cold. But I don't know if you're planning on marrying this person, if it's worth that much of an argument. We're talking about,? I don't know, a thousand bucks a month, 500 bucks a month for the stipend. I mean, it's probably not a thousand if you guys are both students. I don't know what kind of money you're pulling down, but is it enough of it? Is the dollar

amount high enough to start an argument where now maybe you don't have to spend for a wedding at all would be the calculus that I think you have to put yourself through. Kyle, do you ever, you ever give a girl a stipend? Kyle, I could definitely see you as a guy that like picked up a girl's car payment after like dating for four months. Um, I did a thing with a phone and I regretted it later. You know, she was like, Oh, I just need like, we were like a couple months in and she was like, I just got to get this phone and nobody wants to help me. And was like i think this is where i'm supposed to loan you a hundred dollars to fix your phone um and it turns out it wasn't a loan i found out later it was to give me a new phone screen so that was about as as far in as i've ever gotten

with something like that assuming that wasn't a long-term relationship no it was one of those white hot summer things nice what do you want to further explain what a white hot summer is actually i wish i didn't say it that way now that you said it doesn't sound as good as it was in my head no it's no actually i thought it sounded amazing i just want more clarity wasn't white hot supposed to be like be like one of the hottest hots? Isn't that what they say? The blue flame is hot, but the white flame is the hottest flame.

Correct? It's good to be back, guys. It's good to have you, man. it's good to be back guys it's good to have you man uh yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna say you know what let's get let's get the flame chart out here this was a medium hot summer fling yeah i had a kind of a blue hot fall god damn it star because i remember they used to teach you in like science class about all the stars right

I always thought blue was the hottest oh I don't know let's see here uh oh blue might be it well maybe it went it was blue before the phone thing and maybe it turned white after the phone

got notched down a level yeah yeah yeah I don't It was blue before the phone thing and maybe it turned white after the phone. Got notched down a level. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. Obviously, all my charts are in Kelvin, which isn't going to help most of the listeners. Instead of colors.

Yeah. Yeah. What color is the hottest flame? Because like, oddly enough, I think red is the least hot. Yeah. I know. I knew knew that that's why i didn't say red hot summer yeah that blows your mind when you're a kid i got a chart right here great i don't know if this is calvin or whatever but it goes from least to least hottest to most

hottest is red orange yellow uh like a off like, white, light blue, and then like a dark blue is the hottest. Yeah, it wasn't the hottest summer ever. I'd say white hot. So white hot is a medium summer. White would actually be in the middle. It wouldn't be in the middle. You named like four colors before you got to white. There was only three different shades of blue at the end.

It's third from the hottest. I stand by it. Yeah, it was a phone. It wasn't a car. Blue flame summer. At the time, though, it definitely felt like it could have been a phone it wasn't a car blue flame summer at the time though it definitely felt like it could have been a car it's like a hundred bucks i mean most of the things that i was buying i could buy at least two of them with for a hundred bucks so i had a buddy who was like a lock for after a couple months of sleeping with a girl he would be taken over

their car payment and he was not positioned financially to be doing any of that kind of stuff. And then he would bitch about breaking up and be like, you know. But I actually, now that I'm older and more removed from it, I realized I think it was some form of control. So even though he was not, I mean, look, oh, hey, thanks, Dr. Rosillo. He liked to do it

because that way it felt like they had a hard time getting away from him, which is something almost every woman that hung out with him wanted to get away from him for a while. I mean, I remember he had this one disastrous, disastrous relationship. She wasn't even a legal citizen. She was on her way out. He had some family money, but I don't know that the family was in a hurry to give him any of it. So it wasn't like he was living that way. He wasn't living large by any sense of the, was in a hurry to give him any of it so it wasn't like he was living that way he wasn't living large by any sense of the but he just was into her and uh you know she would say stuff like take me to the mall you have to buy me something and he'd be like all right whatever it was always i just

feel like this is the worst this was not with one of my high peak uh living situations obviously and you know she wasn't nice enough to the rest of us but it was always a bit of there was always some drama around it and then he finally got his car fixed she didn't have a car he said she'd so she left the first day he got his car back on the road after paying for repairs she crashed it and then she had to leave the scene because she wasn't legal and she came back to the apartment and then he had to go and pretend it was him or something for the insurance, and it was like, he had legal problems too. I mean, the whole thing.

He was just one of those guys, but whenever I think of a guy who takes over whoever he's dating's car payment, I would always think of him. But Kyle, I think you're doing better than that guy is, so don't. Yeah, and for this guy, I wonder if it's better that she just came straight out and asked him because i've also been in relationships where like like past relationships where girls would just talk

about how they have money troubles and they don't have it in them to be like do you think i could borrow 50 bucks or do you think i could borrow 100 throw in my tank like it would just all of our time would be the complaining about um there's no fucking gas in my car. Oh, my God, I don't know what I'm going to do about this payment or this. And it's like that's our whole time together. And it's like you clearly want me to say, well, hold on, I'll save you. Maybe it's better that she is just like, listen, I'm going to need some money. Do you think I could do you think I could just have some?

Wouldn't wouldn't like the middle ground, though, be, you know, it doesn't have to be a stipend. He could just say, you know, all right, within reason, buy what you need, put it on a card, and then you can sort of monitor what those spending things are. If it's out of control and you can have a conversation, but if it's not that big of a deal, there's no reason to make a big deal out of it. If it's only like a couple hundred bucks that she's spending, because I don't think he specified like how much money she wanted, right? Right.

So it's not that bad. It's not worth starting a fight over. It's just so transactional you know what i mean it just feels like what are you guys both accountants like what's going on here and that there's that awkward period before you get married where like you kind of know you're heading in that direction but you don't really know if you should have one bank account yet like it's it is kind of odd so maybe they're just in that period maybe they're already she's already doing his laundry maybe they're already shitting with the door open they're just

not married so they don't have a bank account that's together. And she's like, since it's already going to be this way now, can we just... I don't know. It's strange. I wonder if she used the word stipend or if that's his description of it. So what's your money situation, Sruti, with the wife? I mean, look, I know your wife and I know you guys are both so... money situation, Suri, with the wife.

Look, I know your wife and I know you guys are both so your tempo is a very manageable tempo as a couple. You're both that individually. I can't imagine this was too much of a deal. I also don't think you'd be like, actually, my wife that's the one thing I don't like about her. She sucks. I don't think you would say

that. Suck a nerve there. This seems solvable but I don't like it is what I would say about the email. I just this seems solvable but I don't like it is what I would say about the email so I don't give me a sense how do you do it you're the biggest grown up on the podcast which is embarrassing

myself but go for it so we bought a house before we were even engaged we just knew where the relationship was headed like I think this guy is in the same situation um i don't remember exactly what i mean we definitely had separate bank accounts like we didn't have a joint bank we don't actually have a joint bank account now i don't think uh i mean she has access to mine but we still have separate bank accounts even when we're married because you know you get paid you know from our different employers that way but

uh she handles most of the finance to be honest you. And I just kind of sit back and trust her for the most part. But there is sort of like a weird thing of do you or do you not? When you know it's headed in that direction, how early do you kind of combine funds and see where it's at? We never went through that problem, but I know plenty of my friends have. Yeah, plenty of my friends have. And you just go, wait. And then, I don't know. I know that I would probably have a hard time just being like, yeah, get whatever you want. Just spend. But then the counter is like, well, if you mean like you can't get your money like well no i'm only allowed to have like so much i'm like well what did you do like

do you have a gambling problem i didn't know about or something like that it's like no she just wants to make sure that you know and i'll be like wait but you're working and she isn't and she's in charge of the money and you're only allowed a certain amount and you haven't done anything horribly financially to the family like no just the way she, just the way she likes it. I'd be like, I would be in a van by Friday. There's no way. There's just no way. Sometimes I think dudes like that structure.

I'm not saying I do. There are guys that like that structure. And it's odd. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It wouldn't be for me. I like to have financial freedom. And my wife and I, we don't. I'm not going to sit here or wrong. It wouldn't be for me. I like to have financial freedom. And my wife and I, we don't. I'm not going to sit here and criticize her about purchases she makes.

And she doesn't criticize me about purchases I make or give me an allowance to tell me how much I can spend. We both kind of know, hey, that's probably not a great purchase. But some guys like to have their wife control their finances, even if they're kind of the breadwinner in the relationship. And vice versa. Yeah, I don't really have a great answer for this one other than it's concerning. But if all of the other stuff is great and she just wants a little walking around money and it's not going to ruin you, it's all going to be each other's money. If everything's going to go well, all the money is both of your money anyway.

So I know you feel like, hey, I'm now supporting her the way she supported me, but I didn't have the stipend. I mean, how about you maybe you could just look at it this way. Hey, she supported you when you were going through it. Now you have to support her. You didn't get a stipend. She did. You know, is it going to break you? Is it going to break you?

Like I'm on your side here a little bit. I get your point. It feels a little annoying, but is it so annoying? Is it worth this is going to be stuff that you come across in a relationship where you just go um all right this is the one thing i don't love but i like the rest of it i like the rest of it all right let's yeah try to work out a favorable stipend i think is probably you're probably gonna do this type of fun just try to work it out so it's not terrible. Maybe we don't know. Maybe there's just three of us are oblivious to the stipend world out there in relationships.

That'd be great. You'd meet somebody and be like, what are your goals? Do you want a family? What do you think a fair stipend would be? I just hope she didn't say the word stipend. I hope that's him like reflecting on it. Like she wants a fucking stipend. I just think they seem so matter-of-fact

about the financial part of it. I like the wedding threat because if she wants the wedding, be like, yeah, that's cool. We'll get you a stipend, but we're not going to get married for like four or five years now instead of three. That's cool. I'm down with that. Or you could say, hey, isn't your dad supposed to pay for the wedding

or you know what don't spend a hundred grand on a wedding a hundred grand is high but the number the number that people spend on weddings and being accepted i even at a young age had i got married i would have been like let's keep this small and have a house down payment how about that idea but you know most men lose that argument too. All right, here we go. One more here. This one is a little dicey. 5 down, 165. I've been dating a girl for two plus years. Things have been going really well. Met her through a mutual friend. We really hit it off. Things have gotten serious to the point where I spend my holidays with her and her family recently. We're both in our early 30s. I think she might be the one. One issue that came up a couple months ago while I was in a month-long lockdown,

I was browsing some adult websites and came across pictures of my girlfriend online. No way. By accident. Just by accident? There's a lot of content out there. just by accident. There's a lot of content out there. And you happen to see the girl that you are thinking about marrying.

The first photo I saw was a mirror selfie of herself in her underwear. She looked a lot younger in the photo. My guess was taken while she was in college. I was pretty surprised by this. She's been really conservative the entire time I've known her. Not one to post sexy, revealing photos on social media or anything. That doesn't mean anything, but I get your point.

So being curious, I reverse searched the photo. We got like Neve and Max over here on the case. I reverse searched the photo and am I shocking a whore? I got a lot of results back on Google. In total, there were 15 photos of her with another guy

all taken on the same day. I assume you could tell by the lighting and costume that it was all on the same day. 15 explicit photos. I know this could have been a vengeful ex leaking the photos online after they broke up and it could have been a pretty traumatic experience for her. But every now and then I get the nagging curiosity no more.

You think? You think you get a little curious every now and then? Like who was that guy? Why were they posted online why were they taken down all these years i was easily able to report the photos to google have them taken off their search engine so my question is should i ask her about it should i just forget and never think of it again i've never told anyone all right um he said keep the personal details out of it again. I've never told anyone. Alright. He said keep the personal details out? What?

Wait a minute. What personal details were in here? He's just being extra careful. He's just being extra careful. That's okay. Do you think we're vague enough to this point? Now I'm worried for our guy. No names, no locations.

We're good. If you've been dating for two years, listen up. This could be you. I don't know. Everyone in the country that's been dating for two years, he's on to you. And Australia. Big Australia crowd. And Australia. This is not Australia.

Or maybe it is. This one is tough because it's going to not. Yeah. I mean, you emailed us and you were, I think being nice and downplaying and say, I think about it every now and then I'm sure he's thinking about it often. Um,

the part where you got him taken down is cool. Maybe we can get to that a little bit later. I don't know that you're ever really going to be able to ask her about this. I don't. Um, cause it's going to be able to ask her about this. I don't. Cause it's going to be horrifying for when you do. And you have to ask yourself like, what, what explanation is going to make you feel better about this?

You know, maybe it's the vengeful ex. Hey, we took photos. You're younger, whatever, not a big deal. And then he posted them or what if she says yeah like i did this and got

paid and i didn't like it um or what if there's more not trying to freak you out here man so i mean there's one answer where it's the the nasty x and then you're kind of the hero here where you'll feel a little bit better about it. But you have to think of like, she's probably never going to tell you anything about this because why would she? No one's going to feel better like, hey, what's up? Just before we get married, I want to let you know that I had this photo shoot where I was with this guy

and basically it's everything you would think it would be. Just wanted to get that out of the way. And then no guy would be like, that's so cool. That's interesting. Tell me. I mean, look, are there some guys that would do that? Yeah, there probably are. It's not a higher number than 50%.

You just start thinking like, wait, what's going on? I don't know. I just don't think you could be all that judgmental you know i always joke that at some point we're going to have you know a primary where we have dick pics of like the 12 guys running for president hoping to get the party nomination hell we're pretty close to that not that long ago but i i don't really know what you can do here. I mean, I know it's going to gnaw at you a little bit. But if this is somebody that's that important to you, this could be like a relationship altering deal. Even though you didn't really do anything wrong. But you've got to kind of think about how she would react.

Like if this were reversed, I don't know. I think it's a little different male-female. But if it were reversed, I think how tough. I think it's a little different male, female, but if it reversed, I think how tough that conversation would be for you. So, um, I probably wouldn't bring it up, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm, I'm freely willing to admit here. I might be wrong about this, but if all the rest of the stuff, as we always kind of say, like all the other stuff is really good here. Um, and you got them taken down and everything else like that. And nobody else knows and all that kind of stuff. Like,

I don't know that I would, I would bring it up because that's the other thing too, is like, it's not like you're being judgmental. I wouldn't be judgmental about it. You're like, Oh, okay.

That's kind of, that's a little different, but the pictures got out where, you know, just a lot of people doing stuff where, you know, there's a good chance if you're dating somebody, you know,

and you're in your thirties, there's a pretty good chance another guy has a picture of your future wife that is let's just say a bit revealing. There's a pretty good certainty now with technology that that's something that's happened. Floating around in Gmail. Right. You can think about it all the time or you can just accept that it's kind of normal now. Yeah, but the difference is it's not on the internet, though. That's what you wouldn't be on the internet.

Of course not. Are we sure? See, I'm kind of surprised. I don't know, Kyle, you weigh in too here, but I actually would go the other way. I would say, one, if this is going to eat at you like it seems like it is eating at you, are you going to marry someone and have this kind of hang over your relationship and you're going to be thinking about it for you know 50 plus years or something um i don't know if you're comfortable with that then

okay but if you're not like just know that it's probably gonna be in the back of your mind for a while if you don't confront her about it and also if she doesn't know the pictures are online shouldn't shouldn't you confront her and tell her that hey hey, this is a thing and I took care of it? I don't know. I feel like you would be doing her a favor by telling her maybe she doesn't even know that those pictures were posted. You know what? The two things you said. The first thing, I think 50 years would be a long time to not get over it.

I think eventually you probably. But no, your second part, though, Suri, you've already changed my mind. You've already changed my mind. Look, I think it could be really... I think it could go really bad, but you're also right. If you care about this person,

you're like, hey, you need to know this. I'm not judging you. I'm not asking you. Maybe this is the angle that you go with it. I'm not judging. I'm not asking you that you are asking and you want to know who this dude is. But you need to know that this is something that I saw. You're also going to have to say like, Hey, it got a little lonely during a stretch during COVID. So, you know, whatever,

she probably understands that already. Um, I saw these pictures there of you. I had them taken down, but I want you to know that they were out there in case there's any sort of thing that you need to know about this because you know, this is you and i care about you so i think yeah actually suri you've changed my mind about it but it could also go really bad right would we agree on that yeah yeah i i definitely um although i i don't think you're a dick for bringing it up i really don't i don't think you know she she might think you are is the possibility there i think i think it's within your reason to ask a question of a pitcher that you saw, of someone that you think you know. And I just don't think he's being a dick or wrong or mean.

I think he's just asking a valid question. And he's also bringing it up because he doesn't even know if you know it's out there. So I get why she would be mad, but I don't know if it would be warranted. I think it's a fair conversation for the guy to bring up. Kyle, I don't know. I think it's a fair conversation for the guy to bring up. Kyle, I don't know. I think you both made good points. On Ryan's original point, I was just thinking there's a ton of stuff that I

never ever want to go over with the person I'm with now and I never ever ever want to go over it. It could be one of those situations where you bring it up and she's like, yeah, I was never ever going to discuss this with you. This was before we were together and I mean, that sucks that this is on the internet and, but I really don't want to talk about it with you. Or it could be like you said,

it's like, Hey, listen, I'm like, if you ever see some crazy shit about me on the internet, I would hope that, um, you would tell me. So there's honestly both, both ways to look at this. And I'm, I'm the guy in both situations here so same thing for you guys if you guys ever see some crazy shit about me you know you can tell me so you're saying kyle you have a bunch of stuff where you just sort of tuck it into your anger pouch um my anger pouch you said yeah like this would clearly bother you a lot, but you wouldn't, you would, you would go with the path of, I'm just going to stew on this for eternity or as long as I'm with this person. No, I don't think so. That's why I agree with both of you. I'm just saying like, if the,

if it was this girl and like, for me, it would be more of a story than like a picture. There's not really a lot of incriminating evidence around there, you know if she was like hey did this happen when you were in college i'd be like what how do you know that and i'm super embarrassed about that and what the how do you know that like tell me now how you know that so i don't know i think it could be like i'm just thinking if it's a similar feeling if she's like wait what are you talking about but there's a huge that happened eight years ago? I don't know. But there's a huge difference between stories and someone's relationship and sexual past and something that's posted online. I get you. I'm just saying the facts are out there. You were in this position at some point, and I was in a certain position at some point as well, too. I don't know. That's all I'm saying. If you're dating someone, I'm not interested in talking about their past

relationships or sexual endeavors. I'm just not interested in it. But if it's in your face and you've seen physical, visual evidence of it, that's a different story. That's why I'm saying you have a good point as well. I don't know. I'm not giving any advice. I think there's two things. So Rudy, I think your approach should be like, hey, I found this. I took it down, but I need you to know about it as your entree into the conversation is the best advice of anything that was given out on this topic. So, so Rudy wins a spirit award for today, even though I think it could go bad. All right. I think it could go bad or maybe the initial part would be really bad and there'll be a cooling off of a

day or 24 hours or whatever. And then you'll get to it. Maybe you'll get some of those answers and you know, whatever, maybe you become closer because of it. But just be careful. Just be careful that you may get some answers that you don't really like. And then that can change some things, too. I think the other question to end the podcast is, is Kyle telling us that he did pose nude for money at some point? There's definitely something going on there. There's something in the ether that I'm nervous about. Definitely not. Definitely not. And it's a story I won't ever say on life advice ever, ever, ever. There's actually a couple, but there's like, my friends will get drunk and they start saying it. And it's like, Hey, that guy wasn't there. You're telling the story and that guy knows it now. So now like the, the web of people that

know some of these stories have grown a couple of times and like, you know, on a couple like post-college get togethers. And I'm like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. This was like a story that seven people knew. And now I'm thinking it's more like 13 over the last couple years so you know it's like one of those things that's all i mean are you sure there's no physical evidence i'm sure i'm 100 sure i'm not 100 comfortable continuing this anymore for cows like i'm yeah no we won't we won't this is going down a road that i it won't happen it won't happen my god man who are you uh and we're proud of you too we're proud of you but it's thanks there's i don't know man you are you are christmas 365 man all right uh Please subscribe to the podcast. Thank you as always to Honest Kyle and Saruti.

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