The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Five Big Finals Stats, David Bakhtiari on Aaron Rodgers and More, Plus Going Abroad With Big Cat and Kevin Clark

Episode Date: July 20, 2021

Ryen opens with how he accidentally bought some women’s clothes before getting into five significant Finals stats (0:45). Then, he chats with Packers Pro Bowl tackle David Bakhtiari about chugging beers at Bucks games, his unusual path to the NFL, and what’s going on with the Aaron Rodgers situation (14:10). Next he brings on two F1 experts—Barstool’s Big Cat and Kevin Clark—for a new edition of Going Abroad (40:00). And finally, he closes it out with some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (1:02:50).  Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: David Bakhtiari, Dan “Big Cat” Katz, and Kevin Clark Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

absolutely i mean i'm again i'm the i'm his teammate first and foremost so if i were to put my teammate hat on absolutely i'd be like yo you coming back what the hell's the deal we're supposed to be like this man like all last year parading around your best friend teammate this at the other what the hell now i take that off i put my friendship cap on i'm like look dude again as long as you're happy like that's what a friend is supposed to be i'm like hey look and i'm not gonna pressure you into giving me any type of answer if you feel like you want to tell me it great if not so be it that's david bakhtiari on the future of aaron rogers the packers get ready for camp next week we're also going to do a little going abroad with team haas

number one fan big cat and kevin clark and of course, I have five NBA final stats and I tried on some women's clothing this week. So I bought some women's clothing and tried it on when I got home yesterday and I wanted to share that with everybody. It's not a lifestyle. It was a mistake. And the new Los Angeles

football club, the women's club, I think it's the A, I don't know, Angels football club or whatever. It was just pretty simple's club. I think it's the A, I don't know, uh, angels football club or whatever. It was just pretty simple Nike stuff. Um, I was at Dick's sporting good trying to figure out something for my planner, uh, deal on my foot. And I go, you know what? I really liked that. Look, it's real basic. It's real simple, almost Eastern blockish. You know, there was a long sleeve black teeth nike and then there was a a short sleeve gray this kid loves a gray t-shirt i think we all know that

and i looked at it was like you know i like this it's real basic or whatever support i think their logo is incredible a quick aside as somebody who's probably argued some stuff that is not as cool on social media as a lot of a lot of things are. If there's a debate about WNBA pay and I see people and I can always predict who's going to say what, and then I'll be like, okay, let me make some calls and find out what's going on. And be like, all right, one of your arguments about more pays is a really flawed argument for these next 10 reasons. And I actually did one of those podcasts once. And it was funny how dismissive people were of it because it had like, I don't know, a ton of facts and source material on what kind of money actually comes in. Now I'd be more than happy if the WNBA made more

money. But when you start talking about revenue splits, when the league doesn't make any money, anyways, you understand my point. I will argue the uncomfortable if i think that the truth is being skewed but that doesn't mean that i'm also you know a horrible guy that doesn't get how important the wnba is um and fencing ball sports in general um and something that i've thought more and more about as i've gotten a little bit older and obviously if i had a daughter you know i have sisters that were both um pretty big time athletes but i was walking through dick's sporting goods and i saw a little girl standing in front. I don't know. She's probably six years old standing in front of a LA Sparks uniform.

And it was honestly like one of the cutest things you've ever seen because there was all these jerseys from all these other athletes, all the Clipper stuff, all the Laker stuff, all the LA Kings stuff, right? All the jerseys, you know, Kopitar left and right. And she ran up to the LA Sparks jersey and was like tugging on it, asking her dad to get her that. And I was like, you know what, that's the thing that you always need to remind yourself about some of these arguments that it is still very important that this exists. And it wasn't like I was oblivious to the idea of that prior to seeing this. Um, it was something that I just looked at and there was a react, gave me a reaction. And you, if you had been there almost anyone, unless you're soulless, you would, you would

have no reaction. Everybody would have had a reaction. And you, if you had been there almost anyone, unless you're soulless, you would, you would have no reaction. Everybody would have had a reaction. That wasn't what motivated me to go over there and be like, you know what I'm going to do now is buy some women's soccer gear, uh, specifically women's clothing. I was just like, Hey, these are cool. So I brought them back. I tried them on. I'm like, what's going on with these shoulders?

Like these are XLs, but it's a weird cut and mysterious almost. And then I looked at the tags. It was like, yep was it get women's women's i thought they're unisex they weren't so we're going to return those but i do like the gear so shout out to uh to that soccer team what's that soccer team saruti i'm screwing this up right now so i i feel like i angel city angel city fc and you're right they actually have a sick crest logo whatever you want to call it. The logo is incredible. Like whoever designed their gear, A plus across the board. And look, it was so nice.

I bought a couple of women's pieces. That's how impressed I was. But we did keep the receipt. You should give those. You shouldn't return them. Give them out to people. Charitable ride. I mean, I guess we could do an Excel women's giveaway on the pod.

But I don't, you know, whenever they do any studies on me, it's like, Hey, your audience is 96% dudes. You're like, all right. So yeah, I, I don't know. I don't want to open this up to something. Cause then it's going to, you're going to be asking me to mail you something and guys aren't good at mailing anything. So maybe we'll just return those. We'll return those. We'll figure something out, but I do congrats to them on the gear. It looks really clean. It's really well done. Nike's done a great job with it too. So there you go. Okay, let's go over a couple final stats here

because we have a huge show for you today. But I got to do a little NBA finals because sometimes this podcast, mine, has suffered a bit because I don't want to do the exact same stuff that I've just done with Bill hours prior. But now we're at 3-2. Milwaukee, for any cliche, has all the moment they have they don't

just have all the momentum they're better at basketball right now they figured a couple things out and honestly the turns that all three stars took in game five was i don't know who any like i don't know who's beating them and that maybe then you know look i don't want to turn it into like hey i still think yes i still think the nets would have beaten everybody if they were healthy but what we saw from milwaukee we've seen these last few games specifically game five to have all three stars look like hall of famers rotating at different times offensively of just being completely unstoppable i mean that's ridiculous i'm going to share a couple numbers with you here uh the first one though you know i'll just jump into that one because that's the most relevant.

Here it is. The Bucs big three in the last three games all wins. Giannis is averaging 33, 12, and 7 on 60% shooting. Middleton's going for 29, 7, and 5 on 47 and 39% shooting and 86% from the free throw line. Drew, who at one point was being called Drew Bledsoe on this podcast because we saw all those screen grabs of, hey, here's what Drew Holliday's done in the playoffs. Here's what Eric Bledsoe did in the playoffs for the Bucs. There's not really much difference other than you'd still, even at Drew's worst offensive output, have to give him the benefit of the doubt defensively

because that's been a big part of this series too, but not the only reason Chris Pollock struggled. But Drew's now 25 boards, 10 rebounds, 2 steals a game, and now his splits are 44-39 and 100% from the free throw line. That's the last three games. Those are all wins by the bucks, and that's why you pay those guys that kind of money. That's why you go ahead and make those trades,

even if many times you're like, man, that's a lot for Drew Holiday, who's been hurt at times and missed at times, a little bit older, and then you only had him for the one year. Whatever, man. I mean, when the stuff works out and you're a game away from winning a title, you can start talking yourself into it, which doesn't mean if they were to lose the next two games and Phoenix pulls this miraculous comeback,

which does not seem possible at this point, that all of a sudden the Drew thing isn't worth it. I don't think it should be that fragile. I think what you're doing here is you're going, what kind of pieces can I add to this team that at their ceiling, there's something special there. And right now, all three of those guys showed you something like off the chart special in game five. Let's go back to Devin Booker's run here because as Paul has struggled, which we're going to get to again, you know, Booker has had some incredible offensive moments,

but that last possession, he had no plan when Drew stripped him and led to the breakout at the other end. So that was a bad possession for two reasons. They didn't get a shot off, and then it led to an easy, easy breakout for Milwaukee on the other side of it, as Phoenix was furiously trying to come back in that game. I mean, there's some criticism, hey, they didn't play Chris Paul enough, they didn't play Booker enough in game five, and he sat him too much, and that's

a problem. That's part of it, but there's just, hey, Milwaukee's going to shoot like that. I don't know if there's a ton you can do because here's another stat that we'll throw at you. The Suns in game five shot 55 from the floor and 60 from three. So 55 overall

and 60 from three. The first time in history an NBA team has lost a playoff game shooting at those numbers, which again gets us back to the Bucs big three. So 55 overall and 60 from three. The first time in history an NBA team has lost a playoff game shooting at those numbers, which again gets us back to the Bucs big three and how that's even possible. But Booker, you could tell, I love they didn't call a timeout at the end of game five. They still had a shot clock in play. So it wasn't like a straight run it down to zero and take a shot. We already know this. But Booker was in between decisions. so booker wasn't thinking about clock and then thought about clock and then by the time he kept thinking about all this stuff drew's coming off to help chris paul because booker has 24 field goal attempts in the fourth quarter of this series he has zero assists now there was one

assist that was maybe going to happen that one to eight that janice broke up which will be his kind of legacy play for janice as much as chris paul Giannis broke up which will be his kind of legacy play for Giannis as much as Chris Paul trying to cross up Giannis at the end of game four and falling down and having it be a layup if this doesn't work out for Phoenix that's going to be unfortunate that's going to be like a Mike Tyson face tattoo for Chris Paul's playoff run all right so we have that part now speaking of Chris Paul let's bring up this bullshit stat that you've seen running around I get if you don't like Chris Paul, you're going to pile on. I like him.

I think something's wrong, whether it's mental or physical. I don't know. But even with the game five numbers that a couple of years from now, if you looked at him and said, hey, you already talked about he was pretty good. He made all his threes at 20 and 10. Like he was pretty good in game five. I think he's still somewhat disengaged. Now, I also saw some people saying like Monty was sitting him because he wasn't playing well. It wasn't that significant. Manny has done a deal where he's tried to pace Paul and bring him back strong for the fourth quarter.

That's exactly why Paul at the end of game four, or excuse me, at the half of game four had played less than almost everybody that was a major rotation guy. And look, I think they're just trying to find a way to preserve him, but I'm not going not going to buy the hey he's old and now he's tired excuse when he lit up the Clippers a few weeks ago and lit up the Bucks in game one now he's all of a sudden tired with three days off in between so I'm not I'm not accepting that as an excuse but however even though I'm a Paul fan and I'm disappointed I'm telling you I don't think he was as good as the stat line will be in game five so now I don't know what the hell to do with him. The piling on historical playoff trend stuff with him, some of it's fair.

This stat that's out there now is not. And everybody's all over it, including ESPN, which I was kind of surprised they went through because it takes you five minutes of research to realize how flawed this is. It's that Chris Paul, if they blow this 2-0 lead, he'll be the first player in NBA history to blow 2-0 lead in the playoffs four times.

Now, first time it happened was in 08 with the Hornets against the Spurs. That Hornets team was not very good. They lost in seven to San Antonio, and we're talking about two of the top four seeds. Go back and look at that 2008 Hornets team. Again, some nice role players, not a great team. Chris Paul, those guys are up 2-0. They lost to a prime Duncan. 2013, they were up 2-0 against the Memphis Grizzlies.

Blake got hurt. Blake played 19 minutes with four points in Game 5, 14 minutes and nine points in Game 6. If you remember that, I think he was hurt in Game 4. He was a completely different guy, shell of himself. So that was because Blake got hurt. 2016, 2-0 lead against the Portland Trailblazers. Somebody got hurt. You know, that guy was, they blew the 2-0 lead. It was Chris Paul.

And now this one, which is far more egregious and horrible compared to any of those other ones, because this is going to be on him. But that's the kind of stuff where I'm like, look, you want to knock them? Go ahead. I can't defend the last two games. I can't defend the effort, the deferring to campaign and major possessions at the end of the game four. I can't defend any of that stuff. And I'm to the point now where I'm like maybe maybe I just maybe I was just wrong about this guy I don't feel like I was but maybe I was and we'll have to see where I'm at and have to accept that at the end of it but let's end with a positive because Giannis at 26 years old is almost the perfect guy to win a championship here because all the stuff that even though we

love the stars but the pettiness and some of the bullshit and the stuff about like, is it really about basketball or is it about everything else? It's the moving around, which again, I don't really get on the player's case for deciding to team up because I just think that's what this generation is. So you can get mad about it, but I don't want to waste that kind of energy. But I can be whatever to that part of it, but still respect and admire the fact that Giannis isn't there yet. Maybe he would be. Maybe if they got bounced out earlier again this year, granted he just did the extension, but maybe he would have bounced in two years.

Who knows? I don't think I would ever rule anybody out after learning about Kawhi doing it with San Antonio. But he has put together some assist games. Now his assist ratio is not necessarily that much higher on some of the advanced stuff in the playoffs. You go back to even two years ago, he's about the same, but the usage rate has dipped down to the lowest usage rate

that he's had in a playoff season in the last three years. This is somebody at one point where you're like, okay, but he is the unlimited offensive player. Yeah, I think that's still somewhat true. He's going to make his free throws like all these concerns that we had about him that we started seeing sort of amplified during the net series that they still got through that he's found ways to complement middleton especially but drew and middleton when those guys have it rolling and yet his effort and his attitude is like unflappable throughout. So here's a 26-year-old Giannis

in his first NBA finals. It looks completely comfortable. And I think as far as stars go, his popularity, like his approval rating, that Q rating that we hear about people on morning television, his is already through the roof, especially with that quote about the ego

and your past and all that kind of stuff. Even though I'm not sure I 100% agree with it, but everybody seemed to love it. This is somebody that could be the face of the NBA in a way that we may not have had before because he came in as a middle-round pick. He's foreign. People aren't quite sure.

I was looking back at it. His rookie year, he shot 35% from three, easily the best of any season. Now, some people think he got so jacked and his shoulders are so big, it screwed up his shooting mechanism altogether. So maybe that's the case. But I would say that it's hard to find somebody who didn't like Giannis already.

It's almost impossible now, as he's a game away from an NBA championship, to find somebody in the basketball world that talks about basketball, who's just a fan of basketball basketball that doesn't appreciate him even more if he pulls the saw. We get all pro-tackle David Bakhtiari with this. Everybody now, you know, offensive linemen unfortunately deal with so much anonymity and you don't.

I mean, you're really good and everybody knows you're good. But this love from the NBA community now just because you chug beers, you probably should have started doing this a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's kind of funny.

People ask me like, you know, I'm pretty good at football as well. And I think I'm better known for is the guy who chugs beers at the basketball games or the guy that got the Packer players into pitch perfect too. It's like the first of one, and then three is football i'm like well should kind of be known for football side it's kind of like my main my full-time job so i think it's kind of interesting yeah maybe being the best tackle in the game um i i did go through your wikipedia page and i i felt like immediately as if you ask about pitch perfect then he's gonna be like oh cool you read the wikipedia page and then um that's what you're doing in the interview. How often does it come up now?

Is it just the go-to, like, hey, I got everybody into Pitch Perfect because of a tweet? Since the movie is kind of, what are we, six, seven years since it premiered? Not as much. But yeah, just knows the guy who got the packers into pitch perfect i think here i got a good story for you when it comes to beer chug i think it was donald and mitchell was it two years ago when i first uh chugged a few beers we trained the same spot um in la at proactive sport performance and we were talking and then after i left uh i'm really close to the main trainer and he like he went over to the main trainer that i'm friends with Ryan and he goes hey uh that's the guy that chugs beers at the

basketball games right I was just like come on yeah man I mean it's kind of great but yes at the same time like it feels like maybe if you were a swing tackle you were like hey this would be awesome like I've got I've got this yeah but no I, I'm arguably the best at my position in the entire league. Do you have any basketball in the background? Because I know it was football out in California and some lacrosse, right? Yeah, I was a really good basketball player. I retired in seventh grade. What size were you?

How big were you? I wasn't that good. I had the height of a point guard with the handles of a center. So that gives you any idea about how i played basketball i was uh the epitome of the try hard guy that loved rebounding giving great effort on defense but totally got you know i got really nervous anytime i got the ball and someone told me to shoot and if i wanted to shoot for fun i always like to shoot threes so i wasn't the type of guy you want on your team unless you needed a good rebounder and defender didn't mind like i wouldn't mind playing an entire game and not shooting once it sounds like an alignment i

saw i saw a thing the other day that said alignment make great husbands and parents because they protect and sacrifice their entire lives um i i kind of like that i don't know that i could poke many holes in it i i would like to agree with that. I think you definitely have outliers, but I would say majority, if you were to stereotype, for sure, I would say majority of guys I've been around, especially in my position,

being an offensive lineman, I definitely have no problem with them. If they wanted to marry my sister, so to speak, I'd feel very comfortable with that because they're loyal, good dudes. They're going to do the right thing i was thinking about this because you know getting to work at espn over the years and hanging out with so many guys that played you know you just start

bullshit you start talking about the sport in a real way right not the way that we would go on in you know tv and it always kind of frustrates me sometimes be like the stuff we do in the green room is better than some of the segments that we do on the air. And we were joking like, all right, if you had to rank, like O-Lyman, that group would be ranked number one in the most malleable, like the most adjusted to, okay, hey, this random guy from wherever wants to hang out with us, we're good to go. So if you had to rank the football positional groups from most likely to hang out and adapt to the surroundings to least likely, I would probably put corners at the top of the least likely. Yeah. I don't think corners would want to hang out with anybody. Yeah, they're very specific.

I would even argue because I want to be – I'm going to try to be unbiased. I'd probably say I think tight ends may be the most malleable in my opinion because the ability to kind of hang out and immerse themselves and really do anything across the board like they're the guys if they're single they can go out they can party they can be the guy and then they're also the dude that you can come over hey we're not doing any chicks we're just gonna chug but drink a bunch of beers drink and I'll play drinking games have fun just like boys night I think they would also do that as well they're not just so one track mind

at one or the other I think they can they're a little bit more of a chameleon like you do more of it all where often time i think it's kind of a little bit buried i wouldn't say they would be uh i wouldn't choose like an often slime in it back when i was single to be like my first you know wingman to go out and like have a good night out yep that's probably a good point too because like oh lineman could just sort of hang and they're they're they're never going to make it worse but then you could also argue does it really make it that much better because tight ends especially some of the high-end tight ends like if you've ever hung out with gronk like it's a big deal but yet he can still get away with being an idiot because he's not the

quarterback so there's still no like leadership responsibility kittle can kind of just hang like these guys are kind of rock stars but without the pressure where it's hard for you is left that like have you had to remind have you ever had access to something where you had to be like you don't seem to be somebody who like hey I have to tell you who I am but there's probably just like hey this guy's really big like what's his deal where Gronk is like so big and it's been

around for such a long time that you're almost you defer to the idea like this guy's got to be something yeah I would say majority of my life like I'll get people, they don't always do a double take and be like, who's this big dude? Like, what are you doing? Like, no big, okay. I, I, I, I would get this a lot, especially in the off season, off season cause I'm not in Wisconsin. They'll be like, okay,

I have to ask like, you're a really big guy. What do you do? And then, you know, sparks of a conversation. But, uh, I would say it gets more like that than I'm assuming most of the times like, Oh oh my god like can i get a photo like kelsey gronk uh yeah you know like you know all these guys are like oh let me get a photo it's not really they're like okay you may look somewhat familiar you look like you do something something unique but i don't know what maybe that's just the way you carry yourself costanzo is my neighbor he lives down the street oh yeah and so we there were my neighbors saw me saying hi. Not that he was supposed to know who I was, but he's like straight out of Game of Thrones kind of size and presence and how big he is. He's huge. And one of the other neighbors was like, is he an actor or something? He was in Braveheart 1 and then the DVD Braveheart 2. Yeah, he's got some letter carrying out the backside. Yeah.

There's some real medieval stuff going on there with him. All right, so let me ask you this because I knew a little bit about it, but you weren't a big recruit coming out. Was it because you were undersized as an offensive lineman? That's why I like the Power 5 because I know you ended up going to Colorado, so I want to talk about that a little bit. You redshirted. Was it just you hadn't put the weight on yet as a young kid?

Where were you at physically and the limitations of what the offers were for you? I think that was a mixture of it. Part of it was, I'll be flat and honest, I was really bad at football. I didn't put on pads my freshman year. I don't know what type of language I can use on this. Uh, whatever you want. Okay. I was, I was a pussy. Um, I did not want to hit anyone. I just didn't get it. And I was small. I was six, one, about 200 pounds my junior year.

And then senior year for my school, I came in, I was like six, four to 40. So I kind of got some size to me. But we also ran a triple option offense. So I didn't play to my senior year as well. So I would just road the bench all the way to my senior year and then we played triple option. So I never blocked even any defensive ends. I was, I mean, there really wasn't anyone. So then my head coach from high school kind of got my name out there.

He lied on a bunch of like my recruit videos, you know, saying I was like six, five to 70. I was like, I, even when I remember watching it, this is like my recruit, they won't really highlight videos. It was just two full games back to back. So you saw all my good plays and my bad plays just in a, in a game. Um, but I remember calling was like, Hey, like, yo, what's the deal with this? Like I'm not this size. Like, Oh no, don't worry about that. They don't care. Like, we just want to get you out there. Okay. All right, cool. So I only had one year of film. I was a little, a small recruit.

I remember I was a one star. And then when I signed my national letter of intent, I actually gained a star and I'm assuming that's because they're like, there's no way this kid is going to a, you know, power five conference, you know, and being a one-star. So they gave me – I was like the dude that had no photo. Yeah, it was kind of embarrassing. I think one-star is more insulting than none in a way.

At that point, look, I only started one year. I backed up my brother who – my middle brother, Andrew, he ended up playing at University of San Diego. I was just happy just to get any offer. I was surprised. My goal was just to go to a D1AA, which is what all my family did. And that's all I wanted to do. So then one of these schools that was my top five schools,

they were like, all right, we're going to let you play football and we're going to pay for school. I was like, all right, this is kind of a no-brainer. I probably should go here. So that's what I did. I had already applied to Colorado before I even got a scholarship because I was playing – So you just wanted to go to Boulder. So Boulder was one of my top three schools I was going to Colorado before I even got a scholarship. So you just wanted to go to Boulder?

So Boulder is one of my top three schools I was going to go to without football. Because, again, going into my senior year, I hadn't even played a single down, so I wasn't thinking about playing football at a big-time school. I was like, I'm just trying to play football at my high school first. Look, I've been there a bunch of times. A lot of friends live in Denver, and then when they first – they grew up and they moved on from Boulder to Denver, but it's...

I mean, if you're on the fence about the place, you're going to come out of there committed. I mean, unless you have some other... You know, look, if you want to go down south or you want to play Florida or all those different things, I get it, but if you're on the fence, the setting is great. I love Colorado. The old Walrus is a good spot. It was a long time ago for me.

Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah i've stayed out there a bunch of time yeah but there had to be kind of this this i know you're redshirt but there had to be this kind of wake up of like wait am i really good at this because your whole story and then even in college into your draft papers it felt like it's filled with doubt which is what's so great about what you're doing now but was there ever a moment whether it was red shirting practicing or just putting on that weight and coming back and being active because then once you were ready to go it's like you were playing um and this is going to sound a little bit conceited i remember when i got to college and i redshirted and again i told you like i i didn't understand football and then i figured it

out i i attribute a lot to my high school coach. He really kind of instilled in what it means to be a man and mental toughness and all that. So I remember showing up to college. After I registered, I put on some weight. I was around 280, so I was still small, smaller for offensive linemen. But I just kind of looked around like, this is what gets scholarships? Certain guys I'm seeing around like and like i was i don't know i'm looking at myself their work ethic i saw their mental just say it

because it's it's the truth because of who you became so go ahead yeah it was just i remember like i'm not gonna put any names on there i remember looking at some of these guys i'm like you're not even good you just are tall or you like you look like you look the part, but by no means do you act the part. And I just was like, okay, this is what is good. If I just keep at this, I think I might be something. And again, I didn't go to college thinking I'm going to go to the NFL. I went to college as in, hey, this is paying for school. This is for free. So I remember talking to my mom on the phone and she was like, Hey, how you doing? Are you still going to be on the team? Uh, next year, you know, this has been really good for us and our family. You know,

the fact that you haven't, we don't have to pay for school. And I was like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm going to try as hard as I can. Hopefully they'll give me a scholarship for next year. Like that's how my mind was. I always felt like there was a little bit of a fire underneath my ass to, uh, keep competing, striving to be better. And then, yeah, I just kept working. I love hard work.

I love being in the gym, doing all the little things, and having the big picture unfold. And I just kept seeing results. So the more work I put in, I saw more results. So I just kept, okay, if I keep shoveling in more hard work, more hard work, these results kind of keep compounding on one another and things keep getting easier. And weight is coming on, strength and all that. And I just remember at one point in my junior year,

my redshirt sophomore year, I'm like, okay, I think I may have a shot to at least get an invitation to a camp in the NFL. So if I have a really good junior year campaign, like that's like, that was my mindset. And then when I, I didn't really feel like I was going to get drafted until I sent in my

junior draft evaluation. And they came back and said, I could be someone. And they're talking about a couple of these other guys that were coming out. I'm like, I think I'm as good or better than you in my opinion, but no one else is saying anything about me. So I'm like,

screw it. I have to go prove it. So if I'm going to go prove it, I might as well, instead of doing it, because I was going to have my fourth head coach at the time. That's part of the reason why I left early.

I'm like, instead of having this new coach, I have to prove it to this college guy for free. I'm like, I might as well go prove it to a coach while making money, making it my full-time job. Yeah, that's what I think was surprising. And I'd love for you to share with us. I know a little bit about it.

I remember hearing about guys putting in their draft papers and guys that I worked with. And then after the fact, they'd be like, that guy put his papers in? Come on. Because you guys weren't good your junior year. As you mentioned, it probably seems like if they kept the same coach, maybe you come back from your senior year because you're putting your papers in, which probably seems like a massive leap from just where you were a couple years ago, but now you're more motivated because now you feel like competition wise, as you just explained,

like, I think I'm as good as if not better than some of these guys that are going in. What does it actually mean to put your papers in and then get the feedback back? Cause it wasn't like you were projected to be a first rounder anyway, and you still decided to leave. Yeah.

I mean, I always had, I always try to have realistic expectations for myself. So I knew, I knew my, for my junior campaign, they're talking about these first round picks and even guys I played against that when the first round, I always had, I always try to have realistic expectations for myself. So I knew, I knew after my junior campaign, they're talking about these first round picks and even guys I played against that won the first round. I'm like, I did good against you.

So if that's what is in the NFL, I think I can, I think I can compete with these guys in the NFL. So when I sent in my junior draft evaluation, I was just thinking anywhere second on, if they give me something in the second or third round range, I will feel very confident because I didn't expect, you know, I guess you've seen all my stats. I'm not the biggest, the fastest, the strongest, any of that. So when they came back to me with a second to third round grade, I was like, hey, I don't know how much better I can make this, but that's what they think. Great. And, you know, I talked to, I got advice from a couple of people and I decided to declare.

And yeah, and then kind of Russ kind of spoke up. So do you have an appreciation? Look, you can't really be, I shouldn't, I shouldn't phrase it that way. I think going to Green Bay, especially as an alignment, you know, there's certain positions, obviously running back, quarterback. But the history and that franchise, we know it's not for everyone but i would think somebody that buys in and appreciates it and certainly i would expect that's what your answer is like what is that like when you see guys coming to camp you're like i don't know if he's gonna like this green bay thing where i think you have embraced it obviously the fan base has embraced it like i just think it would be an amazing thing to be a green bay packer if i were an nfl player Yeah. Look, again, I was just happy to get drafted.

I had a brother that played in the league. He got cut 13 times. He's on seven different teams. So I've seen all the, I've heard all the ugliness of the business side of the NFL. So I was, I remember coming in, I was even, you know, I was drafted in the fourth round. After rookie minicamp, I was scared I was going to get cut.

So again, that fire, you know, it's, oh, I've always kind of had this fire like underneath my ass of just being scared. Like I don't want to, I always felt like I had this pressure. I had to keep moving forward, keep getting better, keep progressing. So I didn't feel like any time I could just relax or chill. I feel like I made it, so to speak. And unfortunately, you can kind of see that kind of early on with guys that you know even in college i can say you can find a theme even in the nfl um certain guys just kind

of feel like they hit this point where they made it and then they just relax and you can't do that in this profession because it's a it's this profession every year we trim the fat and it's hard to stick around for a while that's why the why the NFL, the average career is about three and a half years. So that's how it was for me. I just always felt that there was this pressure. And at any point in time, I can get cut. So I was always scared and I was always fighting for my job every day. That's how I looked at it because I had seen how my brother's career played out. What's the best way for me to ask you about the Aaron Rodgers topic to actually get a

decent answer? I mean, unfortunately, you can ask any question you want. I know as much as y'all know. I mean, there's a reason. No way. I definitely know more than I do. I look at it like this. Everyone keeps asking everyone else because they can't get an answer from the source.

So if no one can get the answer from the source, why does anyone think that any of his friends got the answer from the source? If he's not going to say, he's not going to say. He's just going to go about his daily business. So that's why I laugh. I'm like, hey, I know just as much as you. He's going to disclose to me the information that he's disclosed to anyone else. Because the one thing I can tell you is this. This is what I know better than anyone else. Aaron's a very private person. He's not going to tell you his, you know, he's not a guy who needs to vent or anything off his chest. Like he will disclose what he wants to disclose. And with this topic,

he's just not disclosing anything. So anytime I do see him, we don't talk about it. And which is nice. I mean, I don't want to berate my friend with like these questions like even though i mean his team like hey you come back where would this set the other i mean that would be uh like if i flip the roles would i want my friend constantly badgering me it's like dude you're like i'm still figuring my stuff out so we'll see i don't know we got a week we'll find out in a week if he's going to show up or not. So you have no idea whether or not he's going to show up in a week? I don't. I'm thinking like I have thoughts, but again, thoughts are if scenarios.

And I think if scenarios, it's not... There's no substance to it. There's no validity. There's no foundation to it. So I have no idea. I mean, I could say right now, he's going to show up. And I could say right now, he's not going to show up. I don't know. I don't know which one carries more weight.

It'd be huge for the podcast if you just picked one. And then even if it's wrong, you just have that breakout. Here, I'm going to share a story with you, though, that it's going to make me look like a loser a little bit, but it's also the way my brain works. Everybody knows that Chris Long is my buddy. And so it was a friendship that happened later on. And then he ends up with the Patriots and I'm from Massachusetts and everything. And then I would just speak because we're close enough.

But I knew I wasn't ever getting anything from him that I could use because he's very private's very private about that which i think is you know what made him a great teammate too and when he was in new england i was like can you ever just text brady and he goes no because you don't just you don't just text brady he's like by the way i play on the other side of the ball too so like it's not there'd be no like if i wanted like he knows who i am and whatever and then i joked i was like well you don't want to make edelman jealous either so you know and then he just laughed and kind of left left that one alone but i was like will you when you decide to leave new england text him hey tom it's been great i'm moving he's like no i'm not doing that i'm like no i know you don't actually want to do i would just love to see his response be like all right dude yeah awesome cool thanks a lot like

love to have you around when you're because when you're the guy when you're a tom brady new england when you are rogers in green bay i think kind of what you're alluding to and we'll hear people say this like especially people that are are basically famous in the same industry they'll always say like hey it's always great when i get together with this guy because it's about family or we talk about this a vacation we don't ever talk about football so even though though I'm sure you really, deep down as a competitor, as close as you are to him, you'd love to know the answer, I think that's probably why you would remain close with somebody like Aaron Rodgers because you're not actually going to do any of that stuff.

Whatever you're going to say to me, I would imagine over the next couple of days, you're going to be thinking about whether or not that guy's going to be behind center when camp opens. Absolutely. I mean, again, I'm his teammate, first and foremost. So if I were to put my teammate hat on, absolutely, I'd be like, yo, you coming back?

What the hell's the deal? We're supposed to be like this, man. Like all last year, you're parading me around as your best friend, teammate, this, that, the other. What the hell? And I take that off and put my friendship cap on. I'm like, look, dude,

again, as long as you're happy, like that's what a friend is supposed to be. I'm like, hey, look, and I as long as you're happy, that's what a friend is supposed to be. I'm like, hey, look, and I'm not going to pressure you into giving me any type of answer. If you feel like you want to tell me it, great. If not, so be it. At the end of the day, we're enjoying each other's company. Let's talk about something else because I'm sure this is something that's stressful. I'm sure it's something that weighs on you because of the duration of time and the fact that there isn't an answer yet. So clearly, that's something that has been brewing and stewing and still in the process. And until you're willing to speak about it, like, let's just make fun of each other, hit a good lift, go grab lunch, shoot the shit

and carry on as business usual. So that's, that's really more where I try to be in this certain setting unless he wants to invite me into the conversation about it. But I mean, I'm never going to try and force it because I think about how many people are trying to force that conversation. And especially, you know, it could be anyone that's extremely close to him trying to figure out the answer.

That could then go leak whatever or someone that's in the profession. I mean, he's getting it from every angle. So when I look at it from that perspective, and if he's unwilling to share from either angle or all the angles, then I look at it and what's the point? All I'm going to be doing is annoying him. And if I'm a friend, why would I want to annoy my friend?

Like, why would I want my friend to annoy me? So that's how I interpret all of it. So I'm like, hey, look, it's all going to smooth out one way or another you know from a teammate perspective if he is there awesome if he isn't there that sucks um from a friendship perspective if he's there awesome and if he's not awesome like i just want what's happening so whatever he wants to do i mean oh i'm along for the ride just like everyone else let me have this be the last part on it because i don't want you to end up being like all all right, dude, let's let it go.

Um, when people from the outside say, Hey, when Rogers says I want out and it's disrespectful to the other 52 guys, is that an accurate criticism of this drama? Um, no, because I think, uh, when people look at our profession and like, you know, it's,

oh, that's disrespectful what you're doing to your teammates and what you need to do, you know, um, as part of being like the one, like 11th or the set, the other, uh, I think you're getting your emotions involved in business. Like this is business again. So whatever business they need to go forward forward you need to remind yourself that because correspondingly it's like do you think the team feels bad when they make the decisions no they make the decisions they move on so you can't take it critical or you can't take it personal i think a lot of people especially teammates i think they can forget that. Now, while we're in, uh,

well, like while we're in the environment, it is really hard because, you know, teammate, you grow close together and it's a very unique setting, especially with all the, it's a melting pot of, you know, so many guys coming together. So I think, um, it can definitely be misconstrued and to be tough, but at least for me, I kind of find my happiness in understanding that it's a business at the end of the day and I'm not taking anything personal that someone does. I mean, let's just say like my left guard. If my left guard goes to free agency and he wants to leave, even though I felt a really good continuity between them, but the reason he wants to leave is for a better financial gain, that would be very selfish of me to want to keep him here when he was trying to better himself and his family so i don't look at it it's like i'm almost being the asshole not him yeah no it makes a lot of sense but i i think it's you know how those of us from the outside you know it's like hey this might be a really good

point like i remember i was listening to somebody do what i do and they were like tebow going to the jags like that takes away somebody's spot you, dude, we're at like 90 to 100 guys in camp right now. Like, we'll worry about it. We'll worry about it later. You know, but it's, it's something that can be said from the outside. You're like, oh, this might be a really good opinion on this, especially if you can be critical of the situation too. All right. Last thing off the topic, you're not going to game six for the Bucs. I'm not. How, what happened? I'm going back to Wisconsin on Monday. Oh, okay. Camp starting up.

And just with my training and everything, it is a lot on me to get all the way out there, come all the way back and stay on my regimen. And I already went out to one and I saw what it did to my body and I'm recovering and trying to prime myself ready for the season and my knee. I just, I had to make more of a business decision. So again, don't take it personally.

It's more business that I will not be making it out there. But I will be watching. And I'm not going to – I don't want to jinx anything, but I'm going to be very excited to watch the game tomorrow. Hey, man, I really appreciate this. This is a lot of fun. So get ready for camp, man, and look forward to the season, all right? Yeah, I appreciate it thank you I can't help being happy, but I can't help being healthy.

Golazo! Golazo! Golazo! Continued economic responsibility demands restraint in government expenditure. And last year we achieved the largest ever recorded reduction in the budget deficit, 1.5 million. Great time to go abroad, going abroad on the Ryan Rosillo podcast, because before we hit record on this whole deal, Kevin Clark and Big Cat, who you may know from the competing F1 podcast, Pardon My Overtake, they talked about Brooklyn for about 10 minutes, so there's nothing more European than that as we went back and forth.

So look, this is historic know combining the pods here you know kev we defer to you a little bit but i'm going to start with big cat on this one we've been really into this sport for about five plus weeks what did you think about the verstappen hamilton dust up on lap one well i i appreciate you having me on i think people are going to hate that I'm on because at the ring or not, they like you. Yeah. Cause Kevin, uh,

actually knows F1. I'm the, I want to go back to Saruti last week. I think said, uh, can we stop doing this thing where Americans try to fix soccer? And I was like, no dude,

like I love trying to fix soccer. So I think people are going to really, truly hate that I'm here. Uh, because I, I i i my my credentials are i watched drive to survive yeah i've been a ferrari fan for i don't know four weeks i lease a mercedes so the little conflict of interest there okay a little brag no not really a brag but um yeah so that was an awesome race. And I think Verstappen is a terrible, terrible loser. But I also love when hyper competitive guys can't stop being hyper competitive, even from their hospital beds. Wow.

Okay. So I agree. I think that this is what we were all waiting for. This is inevitable. I don't want to sound like a Cormac McCarthy novel here, but this accident was waiting for us. It's been three years for Max having this ascension, and we knew he would eventually get to this sort of year, and then there'd be an incident like this.

The BBC yesterday called it an incident that will become a defining part of the sports history. Everyone says this is playing out in real time. This is like Prousenna. This is going to be one of the moments we talk about forever and the best thing about it is that you can look at it from so many different angles and debate whatever you want to do because it's going to be like lebron jordan for f1 fans like you're just going to be able to talk in circles you're going to be able to say it was hamilton's fault it was verstappen's fault it was a racing incident

there's so many different ways to look at it it's just going to eat itself it's just going to be able to say it was Hamilton's fault it was Verstappen's fault it was a racing incident there's so many different ways to look at it it's just going to eat itself it's just going to be a talking point for many many years the 33 point gap in the title race is now down to 8 it's game on I love this okay so for those that are not they don't have their

passport stamped and I could have done a better job as a host but we just we go in different orders here for this segment this past weekend sunday the race is silverstone which is you know uh the home track for lewis hamilton yeah as as an englishman and it was an unbelievable start like the first half lap was as much fun of any lap i've watched in my five plus weeks of being a fan. It's been, I mean, I'll never forget where I was for this. And Max gets, he's got pole. He's ahead of Hamilton. He's coming at every corner on the opposite line, fighting off Hamilton.

And then as they come around a turn to the right, it looked like either Max didn't give Lewis Hamilton enough space or Hamilton didn't have the line. Touches Max. Max spins into the tire barrier and he looked pretty banged up. It was a nasty crash. He walks off, starts waving. Then we had a bunch of concussion experts checking in on social media, which is always huge. But then Verstappen tweeted this out as Hamilton, who with a 10 second penalty, OK, comes back and wins this

race. You knew his Ferrari had the lead. You're like it's ferrari back no charles third not going to happen an unbelievable job by hamilton to catch up with this thing but verstappen tweets out this quote glad i'm okay very disappointed with being taken out like this the penalty given does not help us and doesn't do justice to the dangerous move lewis hamilton made on the track watching the celebrations while still in hospital is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike behavior but we move on no period when you don't use punctuation big cat you know it's personal it is the uh i always mock the fans that do the hashtag stay classy whenever like a fan base gets exposed for being a fan base which every fan base is uh that was a stay classy post

by him he just could have he could have wasted he wasted all those words he could have just said stay classy and showed that he's a sore loser which i love by my hyper competitive guys because you want them to care so much into such a you know you know crazy crazy level that he can't stomach it, which is so funny because if Max wins that race and Lewis Hamilton's in the hospital, Max is popping champagne bottles and having a great time. We all know that to be the case. I have a question for you, Kevin, though.

Yes. Why Kevin? Or you, Brian, whoever wants it. Knowing nothing about this sport, but wanting to learn, like genuinely wanting to learn like genuinely wanting to learn was max's uh defensive driving at the start equally as aggressive as lewis hamilton's move in that corner because he was swerving everywhere weaving it was weaving and it was interesting to me because it's like he's blaming this guy for being too aggressive and dangerous

when he was kind of being just as aggressive and dangerous in a defensive way to start the race. So Max is known as a very aggressive driver. And Julian Palmer, who is an ex F1 racer who is on BBC now, he said that there are times this year where something like that has happened and Hamilton is back down. And this was the first time at his home track in front of 140,000 people, a week after England lost a huge game, which, by the way, he said was part of the release after he won. But this was the first time Hamilton this year didn't back down. And I think Verstappen may have been surprised by that.

So Verstappen kind of bit on the dummy. There was a little faint move on the outside, and then Hamilton came on the inside a little bit later. And so I i think verstappen was a little bit surprised he was there just to begin with uh most people my thing on this there are some things i'm sure ryan agrees there's some things where i'm uncomfortable making calls on certain things in sports like i'll never say a guy quit unless i've played the sport right like, you disagree? You want to say people quit? Well, no. I mean, it's just that you have to say these things and say them with your chest.

Chris Paul has quit on the NBA Finals there. It was easy to say. I think I know what Big Cat's plan was today. This is going abroad. Foreign sports only, please. But for me, I defer to the drivers. Fernando Alonso already said it was a racing incident, which is basically the racing version of incidental contact.

Most people are either saying it was an unintentional Lewis error, which would have been a 10-second penalty, which was fair, or it was a racing incident. I'd say most drivers who don't have a bias have come down that way. So Red Bull comes out, Christian Horner, who's been on your pod, Big Cat, comes out and says it was ridiculous. It was Hamilton's fault. He called it desperate and amateur.

Helmut Marko, who's a Red Bull executive, says there should be a suspension for Hamilton. Toto Wolff, the team principal of Mercedes, sent an email to race control. Race control said they don't check their emails in the middle of it. It was a masterclass in politicking. It was everything. Ryan, we talked about this a couple weeks ago, but everyone who's just getting into F1 gets to see the entire sport right now. And everything is happening all at once. And yesterday, you got to see penalties, politicking, all of that stuff. So, yes, I'm in agreement with you, Big Cat.

There is, both guys are at fault. Everybody, both guys could have avoided that. And I thought it was a racing incident. If somebody had to be punished, it'd be Lewis. But not much. I do love, though, that somebody who'd be like four or five weeks in going, well, this is my ruling. Yeah. And you're just like, what are you talking about?

Because here's what, I watched a bunch of the Post stuff because it was just still on as i was doing other stuff around the house none of those guys were definitive okay like barely any of them which is the weirdest thing ever because you imagine a tv show after say your favorite player ever has a bad finals game and then both guys on the tv show are like you know i don't know i'm not quite sure where to go with this i don't have a strong feeling one way or the other. Rowdy, rowdy weekend. Go ahead. I was going to say, what makes

it harder is... Switching to men's tennis. Cop's Corner is one of the fastest corners in Formula One. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's at Silverstone. This is one of the iconic tracks of the sport. And Lewis has had huge success there.

There was a race there a couple years ago where he actually went down to 20th and I think got back up to second. I mean, it's a place where not only has he won, but he's had sort of driving masterclasses. And these guys are just going to be aggressive in that corner. And the first lap of an F1 race is absolute pandemonium. And by the way, the stewards are normally more lenient on the first lap of an F1 race is absolute pandemonium. And by the way,

the stewards are normally more lenient on the first lap because a bunch of cars are together because there's a little more desperation, I guess, to use Christian Horner's term. And so I'm not surprised that they ended up with the penalty they ended up with. I don't think it was intentional or anything like that. I'm definitely on team Lewis here.

All right. So wait, Kevin, you didn't prepare for this, but I'm going to throw it on you. Can you give me your top three corners? Wow. Okay, so I think the top, I think Monza has some amazing corners.

Agreed. Italy, I love it. I don't have. Well, wait, what makes a corner great, though? Okay, so there's a couple things. Dude, you don't even know that? There's slow corners and there's a couple things. Dude, you don't even know that? There's slow corners and there's fast corners.

Right. And I think you're going to want a fast corner that sort of, you know, Schumacher's thing was he could just, like, drive in a way that almost took out the corner sometimes. He would just drive in a straight line and be like, I'm good here. It's almost like a golf course, right? you want to have the exact angle where even a really good driver is going to have to to test it a little bit and so uh monza to me playing the f1 game i can't even buy when are we going to be able to buy ps5s like if i walk into a store does anybody know that by the way years when ps6 is out okay i don't have the f1 game this year so i

haven't played in a couple months but monza to me great corners silverstone is the best and what they say about silverstone palmer actually talked about this is that if you're growing up as a british driver you're at silverstone all the time and nobody cares about you and then one day you go to silverstone and there's 150 000 people there that's why it's such a huge event for someone like lewis you grow up on it like like i grew up at the rV iceplex in Orlando. Okay. And then one day, like a week later, like a week after I'm done there, the equivalent is like 30,000 people were there to watch me play in the NHL there.

That's what I'm talking about. That's why Silverstone is so different for someone like Lewis. Got it. So wait. All right. So, uh, I like that track in Belgium, that, that second turn spa. Yeah. Go ahead. Keep going. i just wanted to make sure i

got that i uh yeah i mean i i guess i i do love the incident part of this i think that that is something we should use in american sports i you know if it like you know at the end of an nba game when you can't figure out who's you know finger touched it last it should just be a basketball incident and they should use that and it sounds official we can just move on like a targeting that you can't figure out if it's targeting targeting or not that's a football incident so so i'm down for this uh racing incident it just feels like no one actually knows and you can say racing incident and then it's just good yeah just something that happens i like that just if if something seems like a complicated call just say it's an incident and then it's just good yeah just something that happens i like that just if if something seems like a complicated call just say it's an incident and then just go back to what you were doing right i'd also like to take this time to just congratulate ricardo for the

10 points finishing fifth i thought his battle with carlos signs was as impressive as anything we saw here it feels very mclaren Like they've had some good weekends, guys. There's no denying it. But I just don't know. It just still feels like there's a gap. And that's the only other part of my analysis. I'll ask this. Good weekend for Haas?

What did they finish? Did they finish? 17 and 18. But that was good because it was Vettel and Verstappen didn't finish so they came in last of the people that finished but 17-18 no points not the points obviously just finishing is for I don't know I don't know what to do with Haas honestly

I'm sorry to interrupt you I don't know I don't even like making fun of him but I want to come up with the American equivalent of Haas where you can't be mad at him and you can't even really make fun of them. You feel bad for them. They have no chance, but then they're still in it.

And it's not the equivalent of like, oh, hey, the Jets or something. It's more. It feels way sadder because you have to go out and race the other cars and you have no chance. I feel like they're like

South Carolina football. Yeah. I don't know. I think that's insulting to South Carolina. Really? Vandy? Vandy, yeah. Vandy's there.

Of course. They're in the SEC, right? Yeah. Maybe. But then Vandy, like, does Haas have something where they can be like, hey, we're actually an academic school? Does Haas have that? They didn't have any money until recently.

When I watched the Netflix special special i felt bad for the owner yeah like i was like he goes you know this kind of sucks every weekend coming out here getting your ass kicked that was like what two three years ago when that part came out on the show and they've gotten worse yeah yeah way worse i have a question for you kevin i you know i think it is a tired meme but it's what I'm going to use here. Is Christian Horner the biggest Karen of all time? Wow. He is the guy who kind of walks around the paddock and kind of does it.

Is that legal? Like that kind of thing. Hey, what are you guys up to kind of stuff? Is he the Karen of F1? Yeah, a little bit. But I would also say that when you're you know red bull is has been on the defensive since they stopped winning championships seven years ago and i kind of think like politics is such a big part of it i think toto would be a karen if if they flipped

and maybe this year they will end up flipping i mean listen toto sent an email today i mean who sends emails except karen you know yeah that's true and i do like that aspect of like your it's coaches working the ref where yeah it might be you know excessive but then you get to the fourth quarter and all of a sudden a call goes your way and it's like well maybe that helped that he was just berating him for the first half yeah helmet marco is also karen he's another red bull executive he's also the guy who uh at the beginning of the pandemic said we should just inject the drivers with COVID and just start racing.

They've got some ideas over there at Red Bull. I think Dabo tried that at Clemson. Dabo? Yeah. No, I would like Dabo if he were an F1. If he were the what the hell

what the hell is the name the premier the principal right Dabo would just be like well you know he'd be like at the end of a seven year Mercedes run and be like people keep doubting us but like literally no one doubts you you guys win every single weekend

be like you know for my money Lewis Hamilton's underrated you'd be like what are you talking about? That would be fun to see Dabo in charge of an F1 team, team principal. I think that's about it. You got anything else? Anything on Lance Stroll? No, no. That's okay. Keep it moving.

After five weeks of watching, who's your best hang, Big Cat? Who's the best hang? Well, we had Daniel Ricciardo on part of my take um he was good he was a good hang uh i like i mean as i said i'm a ferrari fan so are you though i feel like you're already waffling on it a bit no no no i it really resonated with resonated with me when he did the whole line of like if you ask a little kid to draw a car it's always red i just i was like yeah you know what you're right you're right the red car it's cool although they changed did they change the color of the

ferrari car for next year did i see that right only ferrari fans would know i don't think so did they have no they unveiled a prototype for 2022 i don't think they have the the paint on it just yet so you may have seen like the 2022 generic car i don't think they have the the paint on it just yet so you may have seen like the 2022 generic car i don't think it would change change the red there's a lot of merch that's been moved with that ferrari red yeah i love the ferrari red so i i also am uh like none of the sports teams that i root for in my life are uh have like historical dominance so i thought this was the first chance where I can be like, hey, I'm a Ferrari fan, do the Yankee fan 27 rings thing in people's faces

where it's like, oh yeah, we might stink now, but check the rafters. It's all Ferrari banners. So I figured that rounded out everything else I root for. That's a nice, that's a good reason. I like that. Right, like I know it's kind of a frontrunner move even though they're down right now but you know they'll be back we're always back right

i thought you were back sunday yeah they're changing their entire rules in 2022 and so there will be new teams that are good new teams that are bad so ferrari's got justice i heard i heard through the grapevine ferrari thinks they've got something quote got something wait do you have do you have like tidbits f1 tidbits i i hear some you just hear some things you know you're hanging around the paddock would you you hung around a paddock i'm kidding i'm fucking with you oh no i did go to a race last week though yeah that was electric racing dude come on i mean some guy came up to me and said he liked going abroad so A lot of people say that. Hot segment. All right, so wait.

Which team do you root for, Kevin? I've been waffling. So Ryan tried to get me on the McLaren bus, so to speak, and I'm thinking about, like, have you ever met someone who drives a McLaren? No. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know about that. See, here's what Kevin... Kevin gave us this tidbit about Lewis Hamilton when we did the driver summer house draft where I pick Verstappen because I just think he's a machine and him being mad is exactly why I like him. I just think it's hilarious that he's mad. Yeah, you kind of have a Verstappen in you, that kind of anger.

You can see it. He holds it in his chest like you do. Yeah, no, no fair fair criticism but uh that wasn't a criticism that was just a fact observation yeah yeah just facts 100 so what kevin told us is that he has connections to the fashion industry so i think that would mean well his wife does which means you by proxy also do because you're married to the person that's in the fashion world and i think by like your experience with mclaren owners from that side of it is also what's what's in your head

it's mostly just living in west hollywood and just seeing a mclaren park and then seeing the worst person in the world come out of it. Interesting. The dudes who drive McLarens. Wait, when you, so, so your wife in the fashion world, do you ever put on a shirt and she's like, nah, dude, no, no chance. She's a journalist. The story that Ryan is trying to tell is that my wife's friend had a dinner with Lewis at fashion week, like five years ago or or something and he never said what he did or who he was and just asked her about her and they talk about travel and stuff and at the end somebody was like, you know that's one of the most famous people in the world and she was like

I did not know but he was very nice. So your wife is Katie Lang. I got it. Wait. That's nice fashion, right? You didn't think I had that. You didn't think I had that in me. You didn't think I had that in me. Okay, Katie i had that in me okay katie lang is a singer no she's not yeah no she is yes she is what are you talking about who's all right

we gotta stop it that's no no don't don't don't end this right now hold on you can cut all this but no we got to keep this in no we're keeping it in. What our 20 minute, I mean, going abroad philosophically, we're never supposed to go. She's a singer? I thought she meant... Did you mean like Kate Moss? No. I meant Katie Lang. I don't know why.

I thought she had some fashion where... Kate Spade? Eyeglasses. Warby Parker? To put a button on this, I'm thinking about becoming a Haas fan because it's American. I respect it.

Support the team. Yeah, I don't envy you. Let's see if we get some Haas gear sent to the show. You'd think they'd be like, those guys actually want to wear our hats. Damn, KD Lang really doesn't make clothes, huh? No. No, that was a terrible call.

Everybody knows KD Lang. I thought I nailed it too. Everyone was like, damn, wow, look at your boy. Yeah, that sucks. Here I was living 36 years of my life thinking KD Lang was making clothes. I kind of wish you never realized that wasn't true. That would have been more entertaining. I still don't think it is if we're being perfectly honest. I still

think I'm right. She could have a clothing line. I'm going to get to the bottom of it. Last question for you, Kevin, is soccer. We're done with this now for a while. Are we done with it? Yeah, well, it's offseason, right? What do they do? It comes back in August.

It comes back in August. It comes back in August. It'll be fine. What are these preseason games they're playing? Should I care? They're playing some in Orlando. Arsenal's coming to Orlando, I saw. No, you shouldn't care. You shouldn't care.

Most of the big guys are going to be, they played in the Copa America or the Euros, so they're going to be resting until the regular season starts in August. So I wouldn't worry about it. F1, they race again in two weeks in Hungary, and they take most of the month of august off right they're european so they just they just vibe for most of august i love that that's what my plan was take most of august off be in france but who knows now we're not sure yet i was going to move

there for about a month all right team i don't know if you knew that kevin i'm gonna see how long i can go on rassila's podcast i own a team what also rassila i brought an ad with know if you knew that, Kevin. I'm going to see how long I can go on Rasul's podcast. I own a team. Also, Rasul, I brought an ad with me if you want me to read that real quick. Yeah, I do. The Roback question. Put in code PFT at Roback. I always, whenever I go on someone else's pod, I bring my own ads. Roback.com. Use code PFT.

You get a Q-zip. Use code PFT. It's the Roback.com question. Kevin, did you know I own a soccer team? I didn't know you owned a soccer team. No. What country is it in? Wales.

Wales. Swansea. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yep. Every time I say I own it, I get a bunch of people on message boards that are saying, like, Liverpool got LeBron and we got this fat idiot.

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Okay, we got a couple here. All right, Ryan, 5'8", 150, shrug. I imagine he's not saying 150 max shrug. I think he's saying I weigh 150 and I'm 5'8", shrug. 28 years old. I'm reaching out after years of thinking about submitting a question on this topic, but now at a bit of a crossroads. Names are changed. Good. Thank you for doing that. I'm currently dating an amazing girl, Jessie. Smart, sweet, great looks, family friends, lover. We met about six months ago. Each have a dog. So our relationship began with a lot of intimate one-on-one hanging out at home. Not to mention it was still during the thick of the

pandemic. So going out options were limited. Safe to say we got serious quickly and things have been great. The only thing is that for the prior two and a half years, I was with an on off again girl who's the exact opposite. Let's call her Kate. Well, smart and incredibly good looking. All right. By using incredibly, I'm guessing that you found Kate more attractive than your current girlfriend. All right. While incredibly good looking, she was awful to me. We never actually were official. Family and friends hated her and hated how down I was about her situation. She treated me like shit. Despite numerous efforts on my part to try and get serious with her she constantly rejected me she would date other guys and come crawling back to me just as i was finally getting over her

and leave me hanging once again she had my back uh she told me she would never that we would never date all right so this is the bad one again she told me we'd never date and then i should move on so after taking the hint i did and not only did i move on and meet this great girl as you mentioned dog six months family i also cut k Kate out of my life, cold turkey. And as soon as I moved on, you guessed it, Kate came crawling back saying how much she's fucked up over the years. And now she's in love with me and wants to be together. I told her it was too late and it's unfair what she's doing and that me and Jesse are happy together. I cut Kate out of my life, cold turkey for my benefit.

And to be fair to Jesse. Now, while things are going really well with Jesse, I still have feelings creeping up for kate and think about her all the time our relationship was incredibly physically driven all right so there you go you liked um hooking up with her and she's hotter than the girl you're dating now uh and that most the part is what that's mostly what creeps into my head and it's making me doubt my decision plus gives me doubts about how i feel physically with jesse sorry for the full backstory but hoping for some life advice how do i get kate out of my head will eventually just go away it's been over four or five months since we've spoken last. Did I make the right call on this one? Yeah. First of all, you made the right call.

I think most people have probably been there and experienced. There's somebody from your past and there's this physical attraction, but every other part of it absolutely sucks. I mean, did you like when she made you feel like shit? Did you like when you found out about her being with other guys? Did you like when she would ignore you because she had all the power in the relationship? She had the upper hand and you had no say how anything happened. So you just went along with it all. I mean, do you miss that part? I'm sure you miss some of it. The physical part, as you mentioned, and clearly you have a hang up about how the new girlfriend looks in comparison to the old girlfriend, but you have to do a better job of continuing to remind yourself about all the times you felt really shitty. Now, I think there's also a root

of this that I don't know anything about other than the emailer here, but sometimes we can be attracted to the chaos of it. And that simple and people getting along in a very low maintenance relationship can be a bad thing for you depending on how you grew up. If you grew up with chaos and fighting and turmoil in the house, then you can sometimes accept that as real. And then that can leak into your own relationships. That may have been what happened with the girl that treated you like shit. That could be something that happened with you. It also could be just as simple as you liked having sex with the ex more than anybody that you've ever been with. And so it's always going to creep in your head a little bit. That's pretty normal. I don't know if that's ever going to go away, but you having any

dialogue with her only is temptation for you to make that same mistake again, because here's what could happen. Um, you can keep thinking about her. You maybe get in touch with her again. She's going to say all the right things because now that she's seen that you've moved on and we all want what we can't have. And some women and men are both incredibly motivated once they think they don't have control of you again, which is another fucked up attribute that a lot of us have. You know, it's like, ah, I'm indifferent when I thought you were a lapdog. And now that you stood up for yourself and you're challenging me and maybe I don't have the upper hand. So now I want to, I want to see if I can get it back. I don't even love you as much as I just want to wreck

whatever's going on and see if I have that kind of power. And like, when you start acting that way, you know, past, I don't know, whatever the age is the age, but as you get a little bit older, all of this stuff's an incredible waste of time. So you absolutely made the right call and your temptation of the other person, like, yeah, I don't know if those thoughts are ever going to go away, but they're only going to be worse if you decide to have any kind of dialogue with her whatsoever. And you also have to ask yourself like, really, what is important? Yes, the physical part is clearly important. And sometimes it's the number one thing for men and women. I mean, sometimes that's the most important thing, but think about all the other time that isn't about that, that you're going

to be spending with significant other and you got to get along. And so those small rewards along the way are not going to be worth all the time where you're just absolutely stressed out. I mean, here, you want me to really hammer this home to you? The girl, Kate, the hot one, think all the guys you don't know about, man. Think about that. Not to bum you out, but it's true. She's capable of anything with the way you described her.

She's probably lied to you. There's probably a couple of friends in there. So you want that kind of doubt creeping around in your head. If you decided to get back together, if she tells you, she only told you everything you always wanted to hear until she realized that she couldn't have you. So there you go, Kyle. Yeah.

I mean, from the email, it sounds like Kate is hot and mean and Jesse is cool and pretty. So I think there's a difference there in his how he's looking at them. But yeah, I mean, you like just remember how you were miserable. And like he said, his family doesn't like her at all. And as somebody who used to just bring any girl that I've been talking to for a week or two over to my dad's house because it was easier than Kyle. So you would you you'd have hung out with a girl a week and you would bring her home? Zero shame, dude.

Zero shame. And it's just easier for me. It's like, oh, they'll leave me alone. We got a little backyard. We'll go down and watch the movie downstairs. I have a room in the basement. It's all like, it was just easy. It was path of the leaf resistance.

And I didn't have to spend money on being able to sit somewhere for a while and have to tip somebody and pay a bill for food. But my point is as somebody who always would bring whoever I'm talking to around my family, they would just let me know. They'd be like, oh yeah, didn't like that one. She came in, she smelled like cigarettes or this happened or

she just opened the fridge. I know, but I was putting that on other people for as long as I could. I guess what I'm saying is the feeling of your friends and family not liking who you're with, which sounds like nobody's going to be happy if you and Kate end up together again.

It's just not good. It'll be embarrassing to you. And also, you don't want to reach the point where they stop inviting you to stuff. I've never been there, but I've seen it happen. Yeah, that's a good point. I dated a girl a long time ago who friends and family did not approve of, and it was a constant

hassle. It just wasn't worth it, and especially because this Kate chick is not nice to you. It's not even like she brings you anything other than just being good-looking and maybe she's good at sex. Congrats. But I don't know. To his question about will it ever stop? How do you ever get over that? I think it's totally normal to think

about past relationships, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that they were good and you should want to get back into that relationship all over You know, I think it's totally normal to think about past relationships and that's fine. But it doesn't mean that they were good and you should want to get back into that relationship all over again. And I think it's a really shitty move that Kate all of a sudden that you're now happy with this cute, you know, girl who's kind of cool that all of a sudden she's trying to break that shit up because she's selfish. That should tell you everything you need to know. So I'm not saying this other Jesse girl is the one or anything. But, you know, I think, you know, Kate should be you should you should never entertain the k situation again period yep you're gonna have a couple drinks though and you're gonna look at her on instagram and then she's gonna see a dm and then you're gonna dm her back and then you're gonna start thinking about it and then guess what you may go down that road and then

if you do that to the girl that you actually like like if you want to marry somebody and have a family and then every this jesse checks all the boxes except for not being kate um i don't know that like this shit is not easy none of it's easy but everybody knows the right decision they're gonna make they just usually half the time will make the wrong one willingly all right um speaking of dudes and and women here let's uh let's get to this guy hey ryan Ryan, Kyle, Saruti, 6'1", 200, a little late on the summer trim down, but that's besides the point. Our guy's 23 years old. Okay, I recently had an old friend's birthday party and got absolutely blacked out. Uh-oh.

I'm usually the three-beer guy, so he has three beers, and then call it a night. But with this particular group, I've tended to overdo things and get way too drunk and regret my existence for a day or two before I move on. But you know what?'s science although man two day hangovers at 23 that's kind of long it usually kicks in about 27 28 but that's the science and then it's wednesday and everybody feels good again all right so um he said during this black cow i woke to the horror of of the he keeps calling himself the drunk goblin, uh, that he was texting five different women. That is, that is absolutely D'Angelo Russell shot attempts there from our guy in a deep one. Nothing too fancy to shoot my shot at marriage and other sorts of cringe worthy stuff. So he's

asking women to marry him about 2 AM multiple women. Uh, my, yeah, girls usually love that. They're like, yes, definitely I do want to marry you now. My thing is I need some help with is I texted my best friend. So I guess this woman is his best friend. He texted her that he was driving through a drive through and asked her what he should order

at like one in the morning. And she was absolutely pissed at me and I blew it off because not only did I not drive home, I actually left my keys and wallet at the house party. So he was so drunk that he was trying to find a way to like have an in and be like, Hey, what should I eat? Meanwhile, he's just home. So like you just had a solo party at your house and went weird and started texting a million women. All right, fine. Got it. Um, I explained this and after a day she got over it. So he said, okay, I actually wasn't in the car. I was just wasted making weird scenarios up. But there's definitely some tension now in the friendship.

We've been friends since sophomore year of high school. So definitely not some friendship I'd be okay with losing over with something stupid. How do I go over smoothing things over? Appreciate it. Love the pod. And he did send a screenshot of some of the back and forth texts. So here they are. And I'm going to try to leave out names here.

By the way, her picture on her texts, if this is real, she's very attractive. All right. So our guy, this is 10 days ago. He texts, I'm drunk, but you are so beautiful. Don't tell sober redacted, because I guess that's another friend in the group. I said this. He's embarrassed, but I'm looking for a girlfriend if you need a man. Okay, so she replied, OMG, and crying smiley faces, like crying laughing, I guess. Rudy, feel free to translate any of this. Checks out. Who was redacted?

Don't listen because he's derogatory statement here. We're going to give our guy a pass on that. We're not going to read it out loud. And then he says, I'm redacted. And if you want, I make you DIFE, D-I-F-E. I was afraid maybe he was really hostile here. And then she came back with DIFE question mark and then a crying smiley face. And then he corrected it and said, wife.

And then he said, tomorrow, this is apologizing. But tonight, this time is proposed. Say yes. So little Senate structure issues here. We're going to blame that on the booze. But I do kind of like his philosophy that he was deep into it. He was saying like tomorrow's for apologizing. But tonight we get married.

Yeah, this is pretty heavy. But you said something. You've been friends since sophomore in high school at 23 now. So that's 15 then. This is eight, nine years you've been friends. If you don't do this every weekend with her, then I would imagine she's going to give you a pass on this. I know you're probably going through the whatever. Look, I mean, every now and then a guy has to go on an apology tour. It sounds

like you might have to go on it. You might drink way too much with this group because you have this anxiety about having feelings for this one friend. There's two paths here. One is that you actually like her deep down, and that's why you get so weird around her. I wouldn't say any of this stuff works, but if she's cool and she's known you this long, again, I think you're going to get a pass on this one. If she's unrelenting and doesn't accept the apology and thinks that this is crossing the line,

I don't know, that's pretty stringent. You might not be a great friend to have in the first place. But if you actually do like her this way, then now she knows. Now she knows. so maybe it's not something that can be a horrifying start can actually have an incredible payoff but i don't know your chances you know i don't know what your deal is i don't know if you've ever told you know maybe you've never been with her because you never had any kind of chance i'm not judging it's just the email i'm not my guess would be she might be a little bit out of your league with the way you've kind

of thrown this whole story together a little bit. So maybe it was never going to happen anyway, but maybe now she knows and you're good. What I wouldn't do is keep beating yourself up. People have done far worse than, hey, do you want to be my wife to a girl that you've been friends with for a really, really long time? So again, you're 23, man. It's not the end of the world uh not to like belittle this but something else worse will happen in the next

seven years than this if this is the worst thing that happens in your 20s then you are crushing so don't worry that wasn't probably the best advice really hey dude you're gonna be way more bummed out about something unpredictable than this but this is this is not something i mean these texts aren't even that bad to be honest honest with you. I mean, they're a little embarrassing, but not friendship ending. And who knows? Maybe you guys become closer and you guys will have an amazing origin story

three years from now at the rehearsal dinner on Friday. Kyle? Yeah, I think... What I wonder is, was she mad that she thought he was drunk driving in a drive-thru and he only said, no, I wasn't, and then didn't say, sorry, I got a little weird with you there?

Like, did he only say like, no, dude, I definitely wasn't drunk driving and then left the marriage proposal on the table? If so, maybe you might want to bring that up because he said he was sensing some tension. So if that's the case, then maybe you want to just bring it up and be like, and by the way, like, sorry, I didn't mean to just let you know or whatever. But like you said, if you had no shot, you definitely didn't hurt your chances. If you did have a shot, you probably did help your chances a little bit. And she's a pretty girl, as you know, Ryan said, from looking at the photo. So she gets propositions every day, not for marriages, but you know, she's just swatting

propositions out all the time so it's probably like a drop in the bucket it was a little weird that uh you know you've known her for so long and didn't say anything but she probably knew at least a little bit that you thought she was cute so i think it's fine and you're young enough where this is totally doesn't matter the text isn't a big deal at all the thing that i'm concerned about a little bit is it seems like our guy you know he gets he gets drunk and he's talking about wanting to wife someone up like overnight and that i think he's only 23 right so sometimes i think guys at that age like they get so caught up in trying to find the one and like settling down really quickly dude you're still super young so even if like you know shoot your shot on her if it didn't work out that's fine

if you actually do like her that's one thing if not continue being friends with her but i also wouldn't don't stress out about like it seems like he's trying to find a wife so quickly. And I would say that that's not usually a good recipe for success. And if you actually do like this girl, I don't know. Like you said, you never know in a couple of weeks, maybe things happen. You said there's some tension there. It could be some sexual tension. It should be some good tension, some bad tension. We don't know, but this could end up being a good thing for you. So I wouldn't worry about the text itself, but don't try to, it seems like you're trying to speed up your, uh, you're like settling down situation. I think you just take it,

take it by ear, man. You're only 23. Yeah. I imagine him talking to other people and be like, Hey, you're still single. Be like,

yeah, I've been trying. Well, what have you been doing? I blackout and that's like five chicks to marry me. Yeah. It's like, Hey,

that's not, not the way you want to go about this, dude. Sorry, man. Yeah. Oh, so that's sweet.

So what, how, wait, how do you do it again? So yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. You said you don't really drink that often and maybe that's wait. So what, how, wait, how do you do it again? So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. You said you don't really drink that often and maybe that's, you know, I don't think we're going to start saying, Hey, maybe drink more, more often so that you don't get so weird when you're with this group. Um, that's not what we're saying. We're not saying

that, but I don't know, Kyle, do you have any time where you've you've shot you shot and it actually like i think anybody that's been around long enough you're like this isn't gonna work and you're like oh my god that ended up working because you actually had the balls to yeah i mean that's the thing that's kind of if it never worked no one would ever do it it's like the farve dick pic thing where people like i can't believe he did this i'm like well i bet it's worked so that's probably why i did it it allegedly right i you know, two o'clock in the morning, it's like I could go to sleep or I have like four people that I think might be up that are in my time zone. And I think at least one of them would answer. So it's like, you know, I actually did that once on Instagram

and I put them all in the same thing. I try to fire off separate ones and it's like they're all in a group chat and they're just like, never talk me again i mean that was when i first did they know each other yeah yeah because i was like it was like a home from college deal during the summer or winter or something and it's just like you know i should definitely go to sleep but um you know these four and it's like they're all in the same group chat now on it's on an instagram dm and i just you know what did you say in the in the oh dude it was like a like hey you know. What did you say in the DM? Oh, dude, it was like, hey, you know, probably an emoji in there or something.

I don't know. But it was, you know, that was one of the cringier things I think I've ever done. What did you think when you woke up and saw that the next day? It was like, well, that's five bridges burned. Maybe I could salvage one of these and just say like, you know.

I don't think it ever worked out. It definitely didn't work out like in the broad sense of it, but, you know, just embarrassing. And you don't, you're not thinking straight at two in the morning, but it's like, it's either you go to sleep or you spend another 40 minutes

trying to work some magic and maybe it happened once for you. So you never stop. And if you're by yourself during the pandemic, he's just, he's just coming out of a lonely stretch of a year plus. So, you know, don't be so hard on yourself. Some people had a hard time with this.

So I don't... That's probably part of it. That's probably part of it too. All right, that's life advice. Saving lives over here. Life advice, rr at gmail.com. This week, we get Dan Patrick joining the podcast. We already have that one taped.

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