The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Greg Olsen on the NFL QB Problem, Underrated Dak and More, Plus Bucks Problems and Long Live End Zone Drops

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

Russillo opens the show with his early thoughts on the NBA season and what has led to Milwaukee’s awful start (0:41). Then, he’s joined by Greg Olsen to discuss the best teams in the league, the NFL’s QB problem, and explain what’s wrong with Dallas (21:05). Plus, the Alliance slowly marches on (64:39) and Life Advice with Ceruti and Kyle (72:37). I slept with a married woman and now I fear for my life. Check us out on Youtube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Greg Olsen Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode, this is what we're going to do. We're going to recap some of the NBA stuff, some noteworthy items that I think are worth talking about, and also Malakak poorly dropping the football and how I learned to love this celebration. Greg Olson is fantastic on football. There's a bunch of stuff that we're gonna do with him, including the young quarterbacks, incredible Dallas Cowboys breakdown, and why he still kind of likes them. We've got the Alliance, we're trying folks, and life advice. This episode is brought to you by Movember.

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I went to the Clippers home game against Scoot Henderson and the Trail Blazers on Wednesday night. So I have a little leftover from that as well. But third quarter, Phoenix just goes crazy. 39-23 outscores them. They started the quarter making 15 straight shots. So the sun started 15 of 15. I think the good part about the Clippers this year is that whenever you think of the math 15 straight shots. So this one started 15 of 15. I think the good part about the Clippers this year is that, you know, whenever you think of the math of a player like Kawhi not being there and then Paul

George not being there, they did a really good job with Terrence Mann. Um, the Norman Powell transaction was fantastic. He's one of the most underrated players in the entire league and they were playing really hard and all of the most underrated players in the entire league. And they were playing really hard. And all of the things that you liked about the Clippers competitiveness, they lost the Portland game down to the wire. Harden had some turnovers there, including the inbound pass that was terrible. But for the most part, when you're watching them, you're like,

okay, maybe I can see how this kind of works. Harden's got a million possessions. He's going to get his numbers. He might just be happier in this spot. He got the extension. He's in LA takes a thousand shots. Um, some of the more impressionable officials still go for his off arm shit, but there's no expectations for this team.

Really? Like the over under was with 39 and a half wins, I think something like that. So it's a pretty stress free living and you get to put up some big numbers, but he is such a terrific passer that, you know, you figure some of the workload for the guys around him. It's not necessarily like going to be the same thing, but the, the math part that I was talking about was that, okay, well that means Norman

Powell can take more shots. I think he's taken like 21 a game. I wish he had taken more shots to close the But the math part that I was talking about was that, okay, well, that means Norman Powell can take more shots. I think he's taken like 21 a game. I wish he had taken more shots to close the Portland game. You know, Zou is just a matchup nightmare in some of the matchups that he gets night to night in the NBA. Like people just still don't understand like how good he is. And then whenever you're the big with the Harden pick and roll and Harden is not sharing

the ball with anybody else, it makes your life easier. Right. But all the things that I'd kind of liked about their effort, because they have a really good coaching staff, Ty Lou is one of the best coaches in the NBA. You figure, I was like, how long are they going to be able to sustain like playing kind of this hard? And then it just, it fell apart in that third quarter and it doesn't mean it's going to fall apart now for the rest of the season.

They also, maybe I don't know if, because they had done well with some of the smaller transactions, like they brought in some dudes this off season. Or the Kai Jones thing's interesting, but he's playing real minutes. He's not playing the position that he was as a draft prospect, but there's a lot of energy there. Um, Amir coffee's always really underrated. And then you have the Kevin Porter Jr. part of this, who, you know, you may think he doesn't deserve a second chance.

I'd say he's probably like a guy that I wouldn't bring in, but he is really talented, but the talent doesn't like the, the other parts of the game just lag behind the talent, right? His decision making is terrible. His effort is waning. And he had a couple of plays last night where the sons are cooking. Um, Booker's in the corner. There's a drive where I think he thinks he has to help on Nurkic.

And I don't know what the rule would have been on that for the defensive help rules, but I can't imagine like in today's day and age, anybody wants you running away from Devin Booker with a wide open three. And that's exactly what happened. And there was another player where Harden is going into the foul baiting mode, goes up for three falls down, and then nobody gets back on defense. And it's like a two on zero for the sons all while this game is like slipping away from them.

Now you could blame Harden for, well, if you're going to fall down and you're the last guy back, I don't actually think you can blame Harden on that because the rule has always been the other guard as opposed to the one shooting, even depending on depth, like the other guard has to get back after the other one shoots. Um, but yeah, when you keep falling down a lot, like it's not going to help you and transition a ton and Porter doesn't even see it. So that might just be a few more weeks of playing with Harden, sharing those

minutes, being in the rotations enough together where he'll go like, Hey, this is something I have to have to think about. Uh, the other part of the story that's not just from last night, it's the sons is Ryan Dunn who started for appeal last night. If you watched his draft tape, you would think this is the most absurd transformation that we've seen in years.

So Dunn is now 51 and 44% from the floor. He hasn't taken a free throw yet. And I'll, I'll bring up the reason why here in a second, why that's important. He was four or nine from three last night. If you had told anybody that does any draft prep, like Ryan Dunn is going to be starting for the sons and knocking down threes. Just be like, what?

Like the guy from Jackass. So I don't, I don't know how this happened. I don't think you could say, Hey, Phoenix just knows how to develop. Does anyone know how to develop anybody this quickly? Um, at UVA in the two years he was there, Ryan Dunn shot 24% from three and he was 50% from the free throw line. Sam Vassini had a tweet who we love great draft stuff from the athletic, just running clips of his air ball free throws. It just looked like it was so bad

that maybe it was a mental hitch beyond anything else. So you're looking at it right now, Phoenix is four and one. They've got two wins against the Clippers. They won the Lakers rematch, dropped the other one to them and a win against Dallas. So things are good in Phoenix as of right now. The deal thing a little concerning, but they just did such a good job kind of overhauling this and adding depth to the three guys.

Milwaukee's on the not good side of the conversation today. They're one and four. The only other one and four team in the East is Detroit. A little aside on Detroit here, their point differential last year was minus nine. So even though with the one and four record, if you've watched the Pistons, there's definitely improvement. It does look better. They've done a better job shooting around the main guys that were all trying to So even though with the one and four record, if you've watched the pistons, there's definitely improvement. It does look better.

They've done a better job shooting around the main guys that we're all trying to figure out if they're going to be like real difference makers, whether that's Kate or Jayden and Dern is just kind of like peak role guy, but I still like him because just the competitiveness and energy that he plays with here. But when you add the shooting that they've added around him, it should just make everybody's life a little bit easier. It hasn't reflected that in the record, but they are more competitive. And the Jayden Ivy leap from last year to this year, a week or so in it's real and you hope it sustains.

I don't know that he's going to shoot 47% from three for the rest of his career. It was 34% his first two years, but he's 21, four and four. And the aggressiveness is really there. He had a drive in a game where he got through, split the double team at the top. It reminded me exactly of why we all fell in love with him, those of us that did at Purdue. Splits the double team, gets to the rim,

and then sees Tobias Harris in the right corner for a wide open three that he missed. Also an aside on Tobias Harris, the Detroit Pistons announcing team did the game in Philadelphia and Tobias was getting booed by Sixers fans because look Northeast City is going to happen, certainly going to happen in Philadelphia. But they were like, why are they pulling up? He was really good here. Okay guys, and you can blame Philly a lot of times. I don't think you can, am I soft on Philly now?

Cause I liked it after I went. The point was it was like, you guys are being, they were like, oh well, look who had took all the shots and B took the shots and James Harden took the shots and Ben Simmons was here. He was like, well, he wasn't taking a ton of shots. And it was like Tobias was just the third option. Like why are they mad at him?

He was really good. It's like, yeah, I think it has a little bit more to do with just sometimes him just not taking any of those shots. Uh, so yeah, there we go. Little Pistons Minute didn't expect to get there. Let's get back to Milwaukee. So Milwaukee gets smoked by Memphis, who lost to Chicago and Brooklyn already this week. And Milwaukee, Chicago and Brooklyn already this week and Milwaukee, speaking of Chicago and Brooklyn, they won at Philly in the home opener with Philly doesn't have their guys.

They lost by 11 in Chicago, 13 at Brooklyn, 11 at Boston to be understood, and then 23 last night at Memphis. So four or five games to start on the road. Okay, fine. But like you're Milwaukee and you're losing by double digits. It doesn't matter about Boston,

but double digits, Chicago, Brooklyn, and Memphis. And Memphis has actually been all right, you know? So we'll see what happens here. Let's look at some numbers for the bucks. They're 24th on offense and 24th on defense. They're 28th and rebounding. Giannis is fine, 29. Yannis is fine. 29 years old, scoring's fine.

He's taking less threes. He's only taken three total attempts this season. So that actually would be an improvement, but I can't imagine that they're going to be this bad. Uh, Dame's three point shooting again, early parts of the season, 27%. That's not going to happen. His advanced stuff though is way up because his free throw rate is absurd. A moment on Dame Lillard. One of the best finishers at his size and sustaining it for that long.

Those huge moment shots like the Dame time thing is so much fun. The OKC series was just incredible because basically, you know, I thought Westbrook was talking all sorts of shit and Dame took those guys out. So there's so much more about Dame that I've loved. However, the foul hunting is becoming egregious. And my point on foul hunting is this, is everybody played like the foul hunters. I would be living in Willimantic, not Manhattan Beach. All right. It wouldn't be a great product. Dame is now now I'm proposing him to be named all first team foul hunters. Trey and Harden are the captains. Embiid's nominated.

No, Embiid's absolutely the captain, excuse me, because I was, I was trying to figure out all first team foul hunters. I think it's Trey, it's Harden, it's Dame, it's Embiid. Does Brunson take the fifth spot? Is it Maxey for falling down all the time? That fifth spot may be still up for debate, but I don't think there's any debate here on Dame. Just the way he leans in on some of the shots, it just sucks to watch, but he's getting these calls. The free throw rate right now is at.574. His career is three five two.

So we're basically talking more than half a free throw for every single shot that he takes out there. Uh, the positives from Milwaukee is that, well, Middleton's not back. So, all right, fine. But I've liked what Torrey and Prince has given them defensively, even in the loss against Boston, like I always think about the Milwaukee and Celtics matchup in the playoffs going. They just don't have the bodies on the wings to even come close to defending

these guys. Like I'm just not even the respect that I have for Giannis and the fear that you should have of them. I just think the wing matchups are brutal because they don't have the defenders. I thought Prince worked really hard in that game and showed you something maybe to feel hopeful about if they were to match up in the playoffs. Conaton and Trent haven't hit any shots. They're 31% from three. It's 28 up in the playoffs. Connott and Trent haven't hit any shots. They're 31% from three.

It's 28th in the NBA. Lopez looks old, but I still can't believe that they're going to be this bad. All right. Memphis three and three, as I mentioned with those couple losses. Did you know that Aldama has been their league, excuse me, their team leading score, if he led the league in scoring, that would be a bigger story, but Aldama has actually led the Grizzlies in scoring twice this season. Okay.

Nice bounce back game from Wim Benyama against Utah. Um, after this, okay. See one, which I'm going to spend more time on here. Um, so we got a bunch of points against Utah. Anyway, look, the concern that I had from okay. See was what is it was concerning. It didn't look good. It looked like Oklahoma, Oklahoma city had like two plans of attack with him.

Then I'm going to get into a little bit here. But alarming like how? Like now we have to revisit what we think of this dude? No, I'm not going to do that. It just was a really bad game and he just seemed kind of over. I don't know if it's overwhelmed or maybe just wasn't right physically. I don't know. Anyway, the point is, is that when Wemba Nyama is on the floor with Sohan at the exact same time, when they share those minutes, even though I like what Sohan is in in theory i've been a so and fan for a while i understand the limitations. What defense what the other gonna do it spurs is that chat is gonna be on so and then he's allowed to flow so now you already know like okay this is added a wrinkle here. That is gonna just allow chat to roam free And a wing is always defending Wen Minyama.

All right. And other teams have done this too. I mean, Dallas actually was really good straight up with their big guys because they have a nice one, two punch in Gafferty and Lively, but when Wen Minyama would get the catch, he would just be swarmed. And I, I wondered if he was taking a little too much time before, like this women Yama wait a little bit too much. I've always been worried about somebody that size is

being able to take someone off the dribble and like dribble. You know, there's different kinds of dribbling, right? There's the dribble with purpose where, you know, okay, this is what I'm planning on doing. And it's going to be like, you know, I've talked about like two dribble with purpose where you know, okay, this is what I'm planning on doing. And it's going to be like, you know, I've talked about like two dribble guys, and then everybody else.

Like some people are just two dribble guys. I'm not even saying that I went by Niyama, but to be that size and knowing all the defensive attention that you're bringing to yourself, especially if you're not getting great spacing around you, Chris Paul started to take more threes. It's just, it clogs a lot of things up and then check can just roam and come over and help. So the whole design of everything by the thunder was, was perfect and limiting him. You still would expect him to make more than one field goal and I think like 27 minutes.

So I looked at some of the touch numbers. Wimbenyama gets 57 touches per game so far on the season. Well, what was it last year? It was 59. It seems kind of low because you compare it to other people. Like Sohyang gets 58 touches a game this year. Trey Mann, who we sneaky like, 61 touches.

Kelly Ubre, 56 touches. So you're like, what the fuck? Like when Benyant was having the same number of touches as those guys in a basketball game, like that's just wrong. But then you can also play the game where you look at like Jaylen Brown at 61 touches a game. It's funny because I wrote down Donovan Mitchell, but Davion Mitchell's at 59.

So I should put them in the other group, but Donovan Mitchell's at 57 touches. So there's some really, really good players that aren't touching the ball 100 times a game like we have with Jokic, Doncic and some of the other guys. Right. So when I looked at how long he has the ball in his hands, it's 2.57 seconds per possession, which is not that much different than 2.34 last year. So it's not necessarily that.

I just think it's that defenses are going to do a lot on selling out on him and ignoring some of these non-shooter combinations they have. Getting Basel back would obviously improve some of this stuff as well. I also thought Oklahoma City attacked Wimbenyama off the dribble way more than I'm used to seeing. Not saying like every time it was a win, but it looked like guys were going up to try to finish against him and it was a little surprising.

So whatever, it was just a really bad game. It doesn't mean we need to reclassify him moving forward. Just some stuff that didn't look good. Uh, final couple of things here. Jason Tatum took 18 threes in the overtime loss at Indianapolis on Wednesday. In 1984, Bird made 18 total threes on the season. Whatever. All these three point things that you can do are just stupid because it's like

asking a restaurant how many debit cards they ran in 1995. All right. One NFL note, the Jets beat Houston 21-13 last night. They sacked CJ Stroud eight times. I think he was 11 of 30. He still had the Robert Woods. I just love seeing Robert Woods out there getting catches. The Robert Woods catch in the sideline, the third and 12, there's just, I think Stroud

might be the best on the run of any quarterback. But didn't get it done last night. It was also sack day time. So not entirely on him, but they ran the football that Jets did. Rogers pulls us back in with a nice vintage performance. The throw that he had at the end of the first

half to Devante Adams that he dropped was such a sick throw on second down. And then Rogers, and then he went right back to him on third down too. was such a sick throw on second down. And then Rogers, and then he went right back to him on third down too. So I don't know what that means. Stingley made a great play defensively. So the one play everybody's talking about or would be making the headline if the Jets were to lose in prime time, because that's what's going to happen to you. Although it just feels like the Jets approval rating, it's never been lower. And I understand Roger's approval rating being what it is, but we need to talk

about our guy Malachi Corley rookie out of Western Kentucky, third round pick of the jets. So it's zero zero gets a end around run the right 18 yards out. Beautiful play tons of speed. Five 11, two 15, just all fired up 18 yards out runs in for, tons of speed, 511, 215. Just all fired up 18 yards out, runs in for the touchdown. The only problem is when he ran to the end zone, he didn't bring the ball with him and he Deshaun Jackson

did, we saw it again. We saw it in prime time. It keeps happening. And my position now is I want it to never stop. When people ask why does it happen? I think what happens is you're so hyped in that moment. I know it's not supposed to happen, but I'm trying to understand.

Like there's a dude, it's his second touch of his career. He had a catch for four yards. This is the second touch of his career. And then it doesn't explain the other guys have been around a long time to do it. But I think in that moment, you're so fired up, you are crossing the end zone, and you just kind of lose your senses for a second. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but I think it's why it keeps happening. You would have thought like the Utah game, remember that one against Oregon,

Deshawn's moments. I mean, you can go through it if you want to and start naming all these guys, but you would have thought like, Hey, everybody, this is a bad way to celebrate dropping the ball before you get into the end zone because on top of everything else, it's a fumble and then it's the Texas ball of the 20s. So it's not even like the plays bad or you're getting at the one, you already know all this stuff, but what I enjoy about this place so much is that the cameras on the player that did it and The way the player during the review will have this look of defiance because it's not confidence because he knows he fucked up But he's hoping he's just hoping is there any way the ball was still in and he's going up to his teammates

They're grabbing their shoulder pads and it's like no. No, we're good. We shoulder pads and it's like, no, no, we're good. We're good. It's like, you have no idea if you're good. You probably know that you're not good, but you're going to pretend in this window of review that if you just wish hard enough, it'll go your way because it's so embarrassing. And then the embarrassment part is the other thing that I'm enjoying now.

This is why I want this play to never stop happening because the camera's on you and you're looking and then there's nowhere to go. Like a lot of us, if we screwed, we could just go somewhere else. And then NFL game, unless you're Antonio Brown, you have to stay there. This guy can't go anywhere. It's like having a house that gets trashed by your dog and you come home and your house is trashed, walk in the door.

It's just you and your dog is looking at you. The dog is going to pretend it's not him, but he knows that you know that it's him and you're going to know that it's him because he was the only one there and it's a dog. But the dog's going to pretend there's this chance that if he just looks at you cute enough with his eyes that maybe you won't blame him. And then the next part of it when it's actually confirmed that you dropped the ball before it and the other team gets the ball because it went out of the back of the end zone. You then, because you're a rookie and you're five 11, you get speeches from every single fucking guy on your sideline. I enjoy it so much. We should all embrace it.

We should be happy that we get this gift every few weeks. Maybe a few weeks is a lot, maybe once or twice a season. That's all I need. Just give it to me once or twice a season to remind it of that timeline of events and how much fun it actually is to watch it play out. Unless of course you were a Jets fan. The Ryan Russo podcast is brought to you by FanDuel.

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Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm fired up, man. It's been a lot of fun checking you out at home. Great job, as always. Appreciate it. Yeah, look, I think at this point of the season, like, I don't like whenever we talk about like the best teams of the season, because I feel like it gets replayed out every year and then people forget that they said it every single year. But like, oh, every team kind of has a flaw.

You're like, well, no kidding. Like that's the whole point of the turnover on rosters. Like even the best teams, you probably think there's something that they're not necessarily great at, but you know, you've been through a good chunk of the league and calling it and obviously the film work as well. Like what do you think the cutoff is

as far as the best teams? Like it's this many teams and then it's a different, different tier. Yeah. I think there's, there's clearly right now the top, right? I think you gotta, you gotta imagine in the NFC, I think right now as things stand, it goes through Detroit. I had a chance to see Detroit. I mean, they are, they're not just beating people. I mean, the game I had, they beat Minnesota on the road, fell down early, failed fourth down, punt fake, kind of

got themselves in a little bit of a hole. And then their offense just explodes and they go bananas. I think of the season ends now. Jared Goff is the MVP. Um, he has been incredible. I mean, his efficiency, his production is just all around everything. He's kind of having like a Brock Purdy year of last year where I don't know if people give that,

give him like the credit compared to some of the other maybe flashy guys, Josh Allen and my homes and Lamar and all those guys. But then when you look at it, it's like his completion percentage is through the roof. His ability to throw the ball down the field is through the roof and everything he does. So I think the Lions are right now now the best team in the NFC.

And again, they could lose this week. So who knows? In the AFC until someone beats Kansas City, I don't watch Kansas City and say, oh my God, that's a juggernaut. Yet nobody can beat them. And the teams we think are juggernauts, you know, the Ravens who most weeks look like they're the best team in the league, they couldn't beat them. And the teams we think are juggernauts, you know, the Ravens who most weeks look like they're the best team in the league, they couldn't beat them. And then they get turned around and they lose to, you know, Jamis and the Browns and Jamis's first start, you know, when a Browns team that

people had left for dead. So the NFL is a weird, is kind of a weird year. I feel like maybe we say that every year, but in my mind, I think the Lions are the one team you say week in and week out. I'd have a hard time seeing them just completely collapse. Um, they are a hard team to beat. I think they're the class of the league, you know, halfway through. Yeah. So that's the interesting there, um, because you didn't like Buffalo, Buffalo. Yeah.

I see more of the NFC. So like they're fresh on my mind. So in NFC to me, it's Lions and the AFC it's a three headed race. I don't think this has ever changed with Baltimore, Buffalo and, um, and obviously Kansas city, but Buffalo the last two weeks has looked scary. Good. Yeah, no, they have. And they have like the second best point differential in the NFL after the Lions there. But yeah, I mean, no, they have and they have like the second best point to French on the NFL after the Lions there But yeah, I mean, no, there's not really anything you said that doesn't doesn't like no, that's crazy That doesn't make any sense to me. I think the Kansas City part of it It's just so funny is that if any other team were playing this way

You would just go like I don't think they're that good like there's seven or no, you know how years pass You've had some weird no wasn't there even a Kansas City team that went undefeated like really late There was a Tennessee team that went undefeated like really late? There was a Tennessee team that went undefeated really late and you were just kind of like, yeah, whatever. But because of the Mahomes factor and the fact that they figured out their offense at the most important time of the year last year, like I don't love what I see from them every single week, but I still wouldn't want to pick against them at any point.

It's the same thing I felt at the beginning of the year. And yet Mahomes technically, technically, if you look at some of those stats is even less productive than he was in his most disappointing season last year. The only reason people feel differently about Kansas city this year is because exactly what you said about last year. Last year, we called a bunch of their games and the work they were done. They're winning. With their, they're just fooling people. They're winning with smoke and mirrors.

They're not as good. This isn't going to last in the playoffs. The defense is carrying them. How long can the defense carry them? And they won the Superbowl. So I think now everyone's kind of learned their lesson where it's like, I'm not going to be the guy that stands on the table and says, the chiefs are done.

The chiefs can't do it. They don't have the weapons. This style of offensive Mahomes just putting everything on his back. It's just hard to sustain. And that's why I said like until someone proves come big time moment, AFC playoffs trip to the Superbowl on the line until someone can prove that in those critical moments, they can out duel Mahomes, arguably the best defensive coordinator slash defense in football. They've gotten good in like two years of young drafting and for agency,

they've completely flipped to a defensive minded team. Spags has been one of the best defensive minds in football for decades. And they have the ultimate ace in the hole, which is the best quarterback in football, a generational quarterback and is the best quarterback in football, a generational quarterback and arguably the best offensive mind that we've seen in decades. So when you have the defense and then you have the head coaches, the play caller and

the legendary quarterback, you can, your margin for error is just a lot higher than everybody else. You don't have to play great to win every game. And that's what they've done. What did you learn covering Washington for a week, doing the pre-production, the whole thing, like, what did you learn during that experience? Well, I think what I've learned went back to just the last couple of years, calling a million cowboy games and getting to talk to Dan Quinn every single week.

If I, I always said, if I was an owner, if I was an owner last year and I could pick one of the candidates, and I'm usually the guy that says you have to take an offensive mind and that's a conversation for another day. Dan Quinn is maybe my favorite coach of a guy I had never played with, just a guy I've never been in the same locker room with. There's something special about Dan Quinn, his charisma.

He's got like a magnetic kind of personality. He's got a little Dan Campbell in him where like when you're around him, you just love everything about him. He's a big personality, loves his players. He's kind of a hard ass, but he's kind of a softy. And like there's something charming about him. He's just, he's an incredible football coach. Obviously did incredible things with Dallas's defense over the years, spent a lot of time in production meetings with him. And for him to flip that and get good, they had some good pieces. Rivera left them a handful of decent pieces. They struck gold on the quarterback. Obviously Jayden Danos is just as good in person as we thought he was going to be leading up into the game.

He has that kind of special quality that you can't scout. You just hope to God you hit it right when you pick them. And they had some good offensive pieces that he inherited. Brian Robinson and Terry McLaurin and a couple of pieces on the offensive line. So they had some dudes. He brought in a lot of new bodies on defense. Obviously, Bobby Wagner, the longtime future Hall of Famer, to bring like that

veteran presence and stability. And then Frankie Louvue and Jeremy Chen and free agency kind of pieced it together. So he's the coach of the year. I think that's again, that through week nine, I think it's no question that Dan's the coach of the year. And for anyone who's been around Dan, talk to Dan, seen him coach, seeing how much he loves and cares for his players. It's not a surprise.

Yeah. I've never heard anybody talk about him and like not like him, you know, at all the different stops. Um, and you know, it's funny when you look at the Caleb Williams situation in Chicago and then Jane Daniels going into Washington, you think, okay, well the receivers, they bring in Keenan, you know, they already have Moore who was really good last year. They draft Rome. Like there's a, there's a ton, there's a ton of stuff that you really like.

And maybe not the offensive line, you know, who knows about the play calling debate of it all. And then it's just as soon as the season has started. And, and by the way, the receiving core and the options and Colt command, who I should mention as well. Like that was still a better group of personnel than what Jaden had on the offensive side for what was going on in Washington. But it's just funny that I don't know if it's playing the results or that Jaden has just

been that good, but then a revisiting of, oh, did he actually step into a better situation? And you're like, not one person thought that in August. It may be true now, not in the receiving core, not in the receiving room or whatever, but whenever I'll see that, I go, no, not one person thought that thing two months ago. So I can't possibly think that's the answer. No, and then the one piece I forgot to mention is Cliff Kingsbury has done a marvelous job. And I think it was such a smart hire for Dan

to bring in a guy who had NFL play calling, NFL head coach experience, but also the bulk of his experience was at the college level. And the purpose of me saying that is he told us flat out, he's like, when I, the first time when we drafted Jaden, he came in and we sat down. I was like, Hey, I'm not going to tell you my offense. I'm not going to give you installed number one. I'm not going to give you install number one. I'm not going to tell you our terminology. I want you to give me your best five concepts, run, pass quarterback, run, play, whatever it is, give me your five favorite plays from college that you

could run tomorrow in your sleep. He goes, so he put together some thoughts. We talked through it. He goes, that was my install one at OTA practice number one. He goes, I didn't install my offense. My first install was the things that he was going to be day one comfortable with had a million reps, but that having the understanding of the college game. And then the aspects of the college game that do translate to the NFL and those,

the aspects of it that just don't. I think Cliff has a very interesting balance because he's experienced it at both levels and then gets a quarterback that has very unique traits and physical qualities and had the wherewithal and the self-awareness to say, I'm not going to just install Arizona Cardinals 2.0. That doesn't do us any good. I need to install an offense that he's going to connect with as quickly as possible. And that's what he's done. They don't huddle. They're at the line. He's calling plays one words. He, it feels a little bit like he's accustomed to

from his days at LSU. And obviously before that in Arizona, but like it's still a little collegey, but then they're running NFL style scheme. So it's a nice blend. And I think you got to give Kingsbury a lot of credit. He's done a nice job here halfway through the year. Yeah. Look, I mean, I wasn't even going to bring it up because people know that I'm a fan of Cliff and I think the resume and what he went through in Arizona, people look at it as like, oh, another guy failed. It's like, do you realize like the turnaround that they had in the development part and the development of the resumes and all the different stuff, but during the summer, people were so down on Cliff post-Arizona that it wasn't even thought of as like this massive positive.

I don't think nationally it was like, oh, Cliff gets another job. Oh, this guy, you know, it's like, he's always getting a job. It's like, well, I think there's a reason he's always getting a job. And we want to argue about the head coaching thing. Like most of these guys are getting fired anyway. This isn't so much an Anthony Richardson question as it is a question about something that I've thought about for a long time, I've spent probably too much time, but I'm just so interested in the topic and the development, lack of

development of quarterbacks where it's funny when you look at the depth charts, I'll always look at them before week one and the 53 man and everything's official. And you'll go like, all right, who's that guy? Like, oh, he was the second or third or fourth rounder taken. And, you know, he just replaced the other second, third or fourth rounder. Usually it's like a third or fourth rounder because the second rounder is usually

a first round quarterback, but you get the point. Like he replaced the other third or fourth rounder that was drafted two or three years ago that never got any reps, never played in any games. And now he's gone to never be heard from a Ken and replaced by the new guy that probably is not going to get any first-team reps. Maybe he steps in if there's some kind of injury. So I don't think there's any question that the quarterback, the NFL eats its own quarterback depth. But when I look at Richardson, who I think to that point, especially last week, like it's

just such a struggle. Everything all week long, all of the reps, all the hits, all the stuff everybody else is doing on the team doesn't matter if that guy can't figure it out, which is just the most ridiculous, like compromise you have to make when you're on one of these teams, the bad quarterback. So I understand to, to bench somebody that you're supposed to be developing because it feels unfair to continue to develop when you think your team's okay and all of the work that all these other guys

are putting into it. I guess the question here is that, do you ever see the NFL getting away from, or maybe will they give up on drafting quarterbacks that haven't started a lot of games in college because they're, the turning the page on these guys this quickly when we don't really know feels like there's no way you can continue

to burn resources this way. Oh, I think it's spot on. I mean, you look at guys. Now there's the Cam Newtons of the world, right? There's the anomalies. There's the guys that are, that had limited college experience, Cam played for all intents and purposes one year at Auburn, never lost a game, won the Heisman Trophy, first overall draft pick,

and then obviously became Cam Newt. So there are examples of guys who have spotty, not a huge track record, but over the last couple of years, what we're seeing is the Brock Purdy's, the young players who are coming into the league and finding success and getting grounded and getting rooted and finding success and getting grounded and getting rooted, played 48 games in major college football. They threw three picks in a game. They lost, they won, they played in the rain, they had good days, bad days. They worked through a lot of the normal things

that are gonna happen at the quarterback position. The difference was instead of working it out on an NFL level is the number one overall pick or the first round pick or whatever pick you are, you work through it in Iowa, you work through it in Virginia, wherever. And it's just a different experience. That's going to happen. I don't care who you are at the quarterback position.

You're going to have your ups and downs as a young player. And it's magnified because of the position. Your point about, it doesn't matter what anyone else around you is doing. If you're getting repeated poor play out of the quarterback position, you have zero chance of winning in the NFL. There is no sport more dependent on one position success than the way current NFL football is set up. The entire game is, in most cases, put on the backs of a quarterback.

And I think the teams that understand it, the Kyle Shanahan's of the world and guys like that, yes, they understand the value of having a good quarterback. And when those teams do have good quarterbacks, the results speak for themselves. But when they don't, they don't fall off the face of the earth, because the entire system is not predicated on the success or lack thereof of the quarterback.

So when you talk about Anthony Richardson, the style he's being asked to play is what they were doing to Jalen Hurts. He's in shotgun, every snap, no one's moving, stationary spread formations. I understand why he's in the gun cause you want to keep the quarterback run threat, but he gets hurt.

So like asking your quarterback to stand in the shotgun, catch the ball and play and throw the ball every down is virtually impossible in today's day and age. But these guys don't learn to get under center. They've never taken an under center snap in their lives. Their entire lives have been seven on seven football. It's been passing offense. I coach middle school football here at my kid's school.

Of the eight games we played, six of the teams never one time lined up under center. Never one time had two backs in the backfield and never one time had a tight end. These kids just don't learn real football. And now we're seeing the evolution of football at the NFL level, the best teams, they get under center. It's play action. The reason they're doing that is because it takes the stress load off the quarterback.

So I think there is a developmental problem in the whole pipeline of quarterbacks, from high school to college, and then of course to the NFL. We don't develop them and we don't give them the skills to succeed as the levels increase. And then we also haven't yet bought into the style of offenses that alleviates some of the pressure from the position.

We want the entire game to be on their shoulders and then we get mad when they can't handle it at 22 years old. So there is no doubt we have a quarterback problem in the NFL. I think a lot of it's manmade. You can't tell me that these guys aren't wildly talented. They need to be coached.

They need to be developed. They need to be drowning long in a way that's conducive to their confidence and to their success. And I just don't think as a league in general, we do a good job of it. Okay. So let's go back to your rookie year. Didn't you have three different starters? Oh yeah.

Was, was it, was it Brian and then Rex and Kyle? So it was Rex, Rex started. So yeah, I've had a very interesting quarterback journey in my career. So, um, and again, all these guys were good in their own rights in various moments and times. And I never played with a bad quarterback. So Rex was the quarterback. We're coming off the Superbowl. Um, I wasn't on the team, but I got drafted that in suing off season, Rex Grossman's the quarterback. Then we went to Ryan Greasy,

who threw me my first ever touchdown. And then I want to say Orton either finished the season or he started Ryan Greasy, who threw me my first ever touchdown. And then I want to say Orton either finished the season or he started as the starter my second year in the league. But at least in my first two years, it was Rex, Greasy and Kyle Orton. And then in my third year we traded for Cutler. So in years three and four was, um, it was Jay. So I had senior quarterbacks in my four years in, in Chicago.

Yeah. Kyle closed out the season. Okay. Yeah. And if you look at the game logs here, cause I remember this came up recently, like how often you had a guy start, get benched and then start again. And I saw somebody try to argue that it's only happened twice in the last 20 years.

I don't know that that's true. I would have to go through, but then there could be qualifiers of like, if you're a high draft picker, where Rex started the first few weeks, then it was Greasy, then it was Rex, and then it was Kyle. What was that like? What was that like to be the non-quote,

like how you and the guys in the receiving room, different like the week to week of that, like you understand it, but that's gotta be a pain in the ass. It is. And, and again, there's always the personal, the personal level, which I think everyone is so quick to just dismiss. And I think, again, we all understand what we sign up for the nature of the NFL is there's not really a lot of people feeling bad for anybody.

There's not really a lot of like. P pity parties and the outside fan and the NFL world that just is going to move on with or without you. We all understand we signed up for a big boy world, big boy football. Like no one's asking for any sympathy, but within the locker room, these are your buddies. These are your friends. There's personal connections of different levels with all of these guys. The starting quarterback, the scout team quarterback. These guys are all in your friend group, you go out to dinner together.

So there's always the personal connection that I think everyone doesn't give enough credit to. But just from a football standpoint, I go back to that rookie year and here I am, I'm just trying to find my way in the league. I'm just trying to find what I'm good at and how I can contribute as a young player that had very high expectations on our team, essentially coming off the Super Bowl loss the year before at Indianapolis.

And now all of a sudden, with every quarterback change, there is a slight change in game plan because every quarterback has their different strengths, weaknesses. I'm a better under center play action guy. I'm a better gun guy. I got more experience in West coast offense. Well, I'm more comfortable in spring, whatever.

There's a million ways to play quarterback and play offense. And all of these guys have their own individual journey leading up to their time in the NFL. So all of that shapes play calling strategy. You know, do we want to be more defensive minded run game? Do we want to open up the offense and go more passing game? More 11 personnel? Do we want to go more defensive minded run game? Do we want to open up the offense and go more passing game? More 11 personnel? Do we want to go big bodies and run it?

There's a million factors and a lot of those things are heavily weighted on who is the quarterback and what do they do well. So yeah, I mean to have throughout the course of the season, essentially three quarterback changes, right? So again, I'm thankful refreshing my memory. So Rex to Gracie, back to Rex, then ultimately to Kyle. It's kind of four. It's really four amongst three guys.

So it's challenging on everybody, obviously no more so challenging than on the quarterbacks themselves. But for everyone around him who, like you said earlier, we are all dependent on that position is, it's challenging, it's new. You get a lot of questions in the media. That's a whole nother animal of dealing with the press,

especially in Chicago. That adds more chaos and more distraction. So it's a very multi-layered issue when you start talking about replacing the quarterback, let alone multiple times in a season. I just think and I mean, it's easy to just kind of lose perspective on some of these things, but I'm thinking about you as a rookie and just, hey, we got to talk to Greg Olson about what he thinks about all this quarterback drama. And you're probably like, you must be having, right? Your buddies are probably hitting you up being like, I can't believe you're probably like, I don't know anything. I don't even know. You must be having, right. Your buddies are probably hitting you up being like,

I can't believe you're addressing like this major issue with the Chicago Bears. Yeah. And I'm like, what do you mean? I don't know. I don't even know what I'm doing. You know what I mean? Like, I don't even know. I'm just happy they gave me a Jersey, you know?

And, you know, so it's, it is a, it is a, the quarterback position is unlike, you know, think about it like the MLB playoffs, right? So we're all watching the world series. The best players on both teams up until last night, right? Shohei, Judge, they were non-factors until Judge's home run last night.

They were non-fact factors in this series, give or take considering they were the MVPs, right? But you only have to wait till your time in the lineup. And in judge's case, you just wait until the ball's hit in your direction. And the rest of it's like, okay, everyone else has to do it. The Kansas city chiefs, for the most part, can't afford Patrick Mahomes going in the tank on a slump for fewer weeks where he just can't complete a pass. It doesn't matter how good the defense is, it's just a different sport. The quarterback consistency and the quarterback performance has a direct correlation to the success of everybody around him. And there's just no way

around it. You just can't survive for a long period of time unless you are good at that position. Yeah, totally aligned with you on that one. Okay, is there any team, I know you did Atlanta, Tampa. I still feel like I hold out hope for some version of the Niners because I think their ceiling is still a lot higher than a lot of teams despite the record,

but I don't think the division is all that scary. So, you know, we could be looking at the Niners. If there's like, I could always see this. Basically what I'm saying is I could see this season where it's the last few weeks, they're gearing up, things are healthy, it looks right. And you're like, okay, I don't care what their seed is. You don't want to play them.

But can you give me like a non Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo, Minnesota, Detroit team that you really like? You know, I like I, I like Atlanta. I don't know if I love Atlanta. Um, I do think just the nature of the NFC south that Atlanta barring a complete catastrophe is going to be that the south winner. So I think they're going to be there. They're going to host a home playoff game.

But to your point, you bust your ass all year to get a home playoff game. And chances are you're going to get a home playoff game. And chances are you're going to get San Francisco and with McCaffrey and with that run game late in the year, you're banged up and they've kind of been up and down and they finish, I don't know, say they finish 10 and seven, nine and eight, but they, they're a wild card team. You're going to, that's a losing proposition. You're not.

So I like Atlanta. I think they're going to be a division winner. I don't necessarily love them. I love the Lions. I really like San Francisco. I don't love them right now. I think they can play a lot better. I thought they looked good against Dallas.

Defensively, they ran around that. Looked a little bit more like the San Francisco defense were accustomed to seeing speed, violence up front, running to the ball, generating take. Like they beat up Dallas pretty good. On Sunday night, I just got done watching that film this week, because I have Dallas this week. Who else in the NFC?

I think Seattle's hit or miss. I love Gino as a guy. I think he's wildly talented. I think they's hit or miss. I love Gino as a guy. I think he's wildly talented. I think they are so pass heavy that I think that gets hard at the end of the year. I'd love to see them rely on that. That back is sick Walker. So I think I'd love to see them. I think they got a shot to be, I mean, they're definitely have a shot to be in contention

to win the division out in the West. The NFC East to me is very interesting. I'm still waiting to see how the Eagles play out. I think the Cowboys have a lot going on right now and we can talk about them. I spent a lot of time studying them this week trying to figure out. Let's do it. Because you know what? I'm still at like, this is the Jay Cutler thing that I've talked about in the past where I feel

like we were almost 10 years into Jay Cutler's career. We were still talking about what he was or what he wasn't. And then at some point you just have to go like, I think this is what he is. Like, I think this is what he is. It's not the best. It's not the worst, but we got to stop pretending it's one version of these extremes.

And with Dak, he comes in second in the MVP. We know he puts up the huge numbers. It's comical how often it turns out that they've been down this year and it looks like he's getting all these yards later once they're down two scores. And it just happened again against the Niners. Like I've watched him as much as probably anybody

because they're always on. And all those Sunday nights and be back in Connecticut, be like, can you figure this guy out and all the numbers? Tell me what you see, because I think the answer may be simpler than I realize. Yeah, I think it's a great question. And I think this, again, as we kind of play this exercise out

and you go, okay, division by division, who do I love? Who do I? There's a couple loves, and then everybody else is kind of like TBD. And I think that's why the NFL is so exciting. I think the final four weeks of this, you know, you're gonna see teams just skyrocket out of nowhere and you're gonna see teams that have been good all year

just fall to the face of the earth. And I think that's what obviously makes us all keep coming back and looking back and saying, none of us really have any idea because every team we think is good doesn't turn out good and every team we think's out done for broke, they win the Superbowl. So that's the fun part about this exercise.

In regards to Dallas, and I've spent a lot of time watching them this week and really trying to wrap my head around what is different. I called like nine of their games last year. It was eight or nine, a couple in the playoffs. Like I felt like I knew them. I talked to Mike McCarthy more than maybe anybody had a real good feel for who they were personnel wise and really what they wanted to be will start offensively. So you go back to last year, the prior season, they let, after the 22 season, they let Kellen Moore go.

McCarthy takes over the play calling and he makes it very clear they are gonna get back to protecting the ball, not putting the entire game in Dak's hand, turning, cutting down on the turnovers, the picks, not putting the entire game in Dak's hand, cutting down on the turnovers, the picks, the sack fumbles, and being more committed to the run game. They had Tony Pollard, and they're like, all right, we're going to run the ball. We're going to protect Dak.

We're going to be more play action. And the season starts last year in 2023. And I went back and looked at some of my notes that I'd written down preparing for their New England game, which was in like week three, like super early. And it was really good sustaining drives, not able to generate any chunk plays and they're struggling in the red zone. And you say, okay, well, he's not turning the ball over,

but they're not scoring, right? They're not throwing the ball over your head. They're not generating the chunk plays. So then as the season wears on, all of a sudden now the turnovers remain down, but now all of a sudden they come to life and it's deep shot plays and it's ball over your head. It's Brandon Cooks, it's C.D. Lamb, Pollard gets better and better and better coming off the injury as the year progresses

and come playoffs. They're arguably the best team in football. I mean, they're scoring 30 plus a game. The defense is fantastic. I'll get to that here in a second. But now when I watch them now, I see CD Lamb, no Brandon Cooks, Ferguson's had not quite the same production

as he had last year, especially generating the downfield plays. And the run game is completely non-existent. Everything about the NFL, the number one factor in generating points is your ability to generate explosive plays. You cannot drive 12 plays at a time and then rely on being 100% in the red zone

if you think you're gonna score 24 to 30 points in a game and give yourself a chance. It's just not gonna happen. You have to be able to score fast and generate chunks. They're trying to push the ball downfield. Dak knows that their underneath game is not leading to really any efficiency. So he's pushing the ball, throwing into tight windows.

The entire game is sitting on his shoulders and the picks and the turnovers from the 22 season that they thought they addressed are back. So I think there's a combination of Dak feels the entire weight of the team on his back. Again, he's in shotgun. They're in spread formation more than anybody. What we're seeing now condensed formations under center early down play action.

Max protect. Give your offensive line to help easy reads for the quarterback. We're seeing that everywhere around the league and And then certain places are still playing stationary, static shotgun football. And it is just a very hard. That's the difference that I see. Some new pieces up front. The backs aren't really that explosive,

but the entire game is on Dak's shoulders. And he knows it. He's feeling it. He's got one real option and he's trying to chase points. He's trying to push the ball downfield and he's putting the ball in harm's way. Okay, this was awesome, first of all. I mean, this is why everybody loves you

and you're so great at your job. But what I take from that is like, you still see Dak as an elite quarterback. I do. Right, like that's what I take from that answer. It's like, don't think that the league has now figured him out and this is, he was a fluke and none of this stuff was real.

You're telling me week to week, he's just set up for failure. And you still believe in him. I am a big DAC. I've spent time around DAC. I don't judge. I think there's two ways to evaluate a quarterback, right? Is at the end of the day, it is a production based business. If you are a good quarterback, you produce, you got to

get your flowers and you got to get your credit. But then the next level is like when you spend time with these guys and you watch how they work and you watch how they communicate and you watch how their brain processes football and how they're able to explain things and how fast they can think and process. Then you go, Oh my God, I can see why this guy is so good. And I've spent some time around Dak. I've had a lot of conversations with him. Spent a couple of days in Nashville at TEU. He came to throw and had a chance to pick his brain.

Like when you watch him, the presence he brings, the engagement with the other players, like you could pick a dude and be like, that guy's a dude. Like that guy walks into the building every day and you're like, that's our guy. Like, and it's hard to describe it, but it's like one of those things that you know it when you see it. So I've always been a DAC supporter.

I understand turnovers are going to come, picks are going to come. Not all picks and turnovers are created equal. He's going to be the first to say he's got to make better decisions. He's got to stop throwing force passes. A couple of the other night were just bad balls. He'll be the first to say it. But at the same time, he's got to get some help schematically take some of the pressure off him, generate some advantage pre-snap with your formations and condense the splits

and get under center and get something out of your ground game. Get something, get another weapon other than CD land that we don't have to just move him around like high school football and say, we're just going to, when we ended throw it to that guy, he lines up there and we need to throw it to that position. He lines up there. You just can't play that way. It's just, it's, it's his, this is big boy shit. Like it doesn't work.

So I'm a big, I have not given up on DAC, the player DAC, the leader. I think there's a lot going on in Dallas that make it very difficult to just function there in general during the week. And, um, I think it's caught. And now we can get into the defense if you really want to get into it. Cause that's where I think it really gets interesting. Well, see now you say it that way and I know it's going to be interesting. So give us, give us the quick review on the film.

Yeah. If you were saying that, Hey, you, you don't have to go. This is so good Greg you take as long as you need. I don't have any TV timeouts. God it drives me nuts. I have like a great thought and then your producers like and commercial in eight and I'm like ah I can't say what I'm gonna say in eight seconds. Um as you can tell I'm a I'm a long talker but that's why I love podcasts because we can do this all day. Hey you don don't need to apologize to me, man. The first five minutes with me on the phone, you don't talk. Like I get my five minutes out and then I'm like, okay,

what do you have? It's awful. So I got to fix it. Now this is, I could do this all day. You're a blast. So defensively, people always want to look at each side of the ball as like an independent aspect of the team. And they're not, the really good teams build their offense

to compliment their defense and their defense to compliment the play style of the offense, right? That makes sense. So over the last couple of years, when you're scoring 30 points a game, it is just common sense that how are you going to build your team? You're going to build your team around playing with a lead,

rushing the passer, defending the pass, and generate takeaways because the other team's pressing through the passing game primarily to keep up with you. The last couple of years, if you showed up to play a healthy Dallas Cowboy team, in your mind, you had to say, for us to win today, I've got to score 30 points. And in just a neutral possession game, win today, I've got to score 30 points. And in just a neutral possession game, you can't count on a pick six, a fumble upon return, just neutral possession by possession. If I sit on the ball and run it and run it, even if I run it well, I'm going to lose two possessions of the game just out of sheer time. I'm eating up too much clock. And even if I am efficient enough to sustain the ball and go down and score touchdowns,

I'm putting so much pressure now on my red zone offense. I have to be disproportionately great and not settle for field goals. Cause if not, I just, the math doesn't add up. I don't have enough possessions and enough opportunities to get seven points to get to 30. So I got to push, I got to press, I got to be dropped back pass.

And all of a sudden you got Micah Parsons, Demarcus Lawrence, you got Trayvon Diggs, and Daron Bland leading the league in interceptions every year in pick sixes. And next thing you know, you're a strip sack in a pick six and the game is over. You have no chance because they've scored seven on defense and 30 on offense and the game's over.

So it didn't matter how they defended the run. It didn't matter if they weren't big I've scored seven on defense and 30 on offense and the game's over. So it didn't matter how they defended the run. It didn't matter if they weren't big and physical at the linebacker. You didn't have the time or the ability to even try to run the ball on me. But then all of a sudden last year up in Buffalo, Buffalo runs the ball down their throat because the offense couldn't score. So McDermott is telling, you know, telling the opposite, you don't have Joe Brady, you don't chase points here. You don't, you don't have to chase anything that we've got defensively.

We got these guys under 17 relax this year. It's been a little bit more like that. You're not coming into the game saying, Hey, defensively, they got to throw the ball on us because if not, they can't score 30. And now you of a sudden you take Daron Bland and Micah Parsons out of the equation. And now you weren't built to defend the run to begin with. You weren't built to play high teens, low twenties games to begin with. And now I take away your two best players. That is also now felt by Dak. And he's saying, shit, I've got to win. I have to carry the team. I'm not going to get a turnover every game, a strip sack, a pick six.

Like we were the last two years when we led the, we led football and generating takeaways, like it's all connected and their formula right now is out of whack. Man. That I feel like I should, you know, I should have to leave some money after that one, Greg. That was, that was such a great breakdown. Now I understand Dallas better. Um, before we let you go, I want to talk about

you think, and I know in the past we've talked about your passion for youth sports, what's wrong. You've done podcasts on it. You have a new thing coming out. Um, because a lot of people, we get a lot of life advice stuff from parents, their kids, the first, especially the oldest son, the first kid or the oldest daughter, the youngest son, the youngest you have a new thing coming out. Because a lot of people, we get a lot of life advice stuff from parents, their kids, especially the oldest son,

the first kid or the oldest daughter, the first one running through it. And it's, especially some of the parents that maybe weren't athletes growing up, like going through this stuff the first time. I know you're doing something that you put a lot of time into. So I wanna make sure you share that as well.

Yeah, so our journey through youth sports, I mean, it started, my dad was my high school football coach for 40 plus years of public school up in New Jersey. Me and my brothers all played for him. We all went off to play in college, but like I grew up around high school sports. I grew up around town, rallying around their kids,

going to school with the kid you live next door to, in locker rooms as ball boys all the way up till I played. Like that was our life growing up. I experienced sports at that level. We were not going to college football games. I grew up 30 minutes from Giant Stadium. I probably went to Giant Stadium three times my entire life. Our weekend was youth sports and high school sports.

And that was everything we loved. Those were the players we looked up to. Now really fast forward, I'm a dad, I'm retired. I made a career playing sports. Now I'm raising three young kids, two boys and a girl, and they're entering competitive sports. They're in middle school. Like it's getting pretty serious, as crazy as that sounds.

Like it's getting pretty serious now at that age. And I'm sitting up with my wife saying like, I don't know what to do. Is this enough? Do we need to practice more? Do we need to get a trainer? He's falling behind. He's excelling.

Do we need a better team? But he likes his team. Like it's these are the, and we would go to dinners and every family, every parent, the conversation after like two like hellos was like, what, what are you guys doing this season? How is your sports? How is the coach? How much are you practicing? Do you have a private trainer?

So with that being said, we said, you know what? There's a lot of information out there that young, that families and young athletes and parents and coaches really could benefit from because they can't come have conversations with professional athletes and parents and coaches that maybe some of us can for guidance. We need to bring those conversations to them. So that was the inspiration behind You Think.

I did a 40 some odd interview podcast series. And through that, we said, okay, there's more here. There is a platform around youth sports in the content space that we can bring other collaborators, other content creators, not just myself, and really further these conversations. And that's what you think has become, we launched this fall with Michael Gervais, who's like a world renowned sports psychologist. He works with the, he was with Pete Carroll at USC.

I met him when I was in Seattle Olympics, everybody. He's a rock star. We just released that six parts, four part series, four or six, I can't remember how many we recorded. And the idea being, we're gonna continue to elevate through all different aspects of the youth sports experience, conversations with athletes, Olympians, coaches, mental health specialists, performance coaches,

all the different subspecialties that make up this ever-changing complex world. We're gonna bring those conversations and those interesting pieces of content to people who are all living the same life. And next year, there'll be an e-commerce component. We'll be able to streamline through those content pieces. We'll be able to bring people into our platform. And you can do your team store. You can get your merchandise for your schools, equipment for your schools, lacrosse

team and custom gear that you'd wear all week, but now it's got your son's travel ball team on it. And just kind of bring like a more streamlined e-commerce aspect into that. So it's kind of a content commerce play right now. The big focus is on just the content, quality, education, very interesting. And we feel it has a lot of upside

because there's a lot of people that are living that reality every day. We should have you back to just do life advice for this. If you want to do life advice for parents or ask about you sports. No, I need life advice. I am the first to admit that our, we spend a lot of time in the youth sports space, Ryan, but I don't always get it right. I'm learning how to coach my own kids, how to parent my own kids, how to

coach your kids, how to coach other people. Like, it's tough, man. You played in the NFL and there's probably still a dad somewhere going, Greg Olson doesn't know what he's doing. It's not so much that people question how much you know about the sport. People, they, they come to the benefit of the doubt. Right. Yeah. I think not everyone is come to- Give them the benefit of the doubt, right? Yeah. I think not everyone is comfortable with different styles of approach.

And listen, I'm the first to admit, the style that worked for me my entire life was, nothing's ever good enough, gotta work harder, great game, bad game, Monday it's back to work, improvement, development. And like our motto of all of our youth sports teams is, we might not be the best team. We never talk about how many games we win.

We never talk about what our record is. We never, that is never discussed amongst the kids, the parents, we make no promises. Our motto is, can we get better the longest? That to me is the entire premise of youth sports. Can you improve indefinitely? But in order to do that, there's discipline, there's accountability, there's telling the truth.

And kids don't love hearing the truth. They're not used to it. It feels personal. It feels like an attack. Once the kids come around that like you're doing this from a place of love and investment and like I'm living and dying with your development and that light goes on and they buy like, I'm living and dying with your development. And that light goes on and they buy in,

that's where the magic happens. But along the way, people think it's too hard. People think it's too tough. People don't like hearing the truth about where their kid stands and what they need to do to get better. And you weren't on time, so you didn't start. And like all these life lessons,

people are a little uncomfortable with that at times. And it takes some give and take. And I'm not for everybody. My youth teams are not for everybody. And that's okay. So you think that's what you would look up and it's six episodes. They're out. Yeah, they're out. Yep. With Michael Gervais, we had great conversations. Mick Cronin, the UCLA basketball coach. we had some really cool conversations from the standpoint with Dr. Gervais of human performance, mental health, best practices of overcoming adversity. So less about how to dribble, how to shoot, how

to score, how to tackle, and more about like, what is the mental battle that people, whether you're sixth grade or you're an all pro NFL player, like what is that? What do the best players do to handle failure, to handle success, to handle routine, all of those best practices rolled up into some really cool conversations that I think people are going to get a lot out of. I would agree. And just great with the message, man. And great on the football as well. So enjoy the rest of season Hopefully we can catch up again man. This was great. Thanks Greg. Yeah, look forward to it anytime The Alliance Marches slowly but it marches on although there is actually there's one guy

I was reading about Spartacus trying to leave the lower peninsula the other day and he almost got boxed in and as they were retreating stragglers. Man, bad to be a straggler. And I was a straggler last week for the Alliance, the only one to get it wrong. This is the worst year I've ever had in giving out picks. Usually I can say I'll get back to 500 and it's not, it's just the price of attendance. But no, it's a three in one for everybody and we'll see what we can do.

I'd like to ban myself, Sury, from alt spreads. I don't think I deserve them. Well, yeah, but I'm gonna push back on that because then you're making it harder on us if you don't. Okay, okay. Well, I just felt like if I was alt spread. I get it, but I'm gonna push back on that because then you're making it harder on us if you don't Okay, well, I just felt like if I was all straight I get it but juice yeah. Yeah. All right, so Why my pick wasn't close last week, right? I think after the Bears you had Washington plus ten and a half Oh, yeah that actually game. Well now Yeah, I guess the issue was it was the first game of the day, it felt like.

Yeah, that was tough. Somebody lose the first one. Yeah. Pick six to start things wasn't a great tone setter. Not what you're looking for. Yeah. Yeah, final score made it look worse, but there was, that was actually, I was in it there.

I watched the whole game. I was in it for a little while and I was like, this isn't going to work out. All right. So, uh, Wargon, why don't you lead us off? We got Penn State, Ohio State. Penn State, Ohio State, Ohio State all the way. I was talking to security before the pod. He was like, oh, I'm nervous. I'm this. I'm that. I'm not nervous. These games aren't close. They're never close. Ohio State owns them.

It's just like the simplest bet ever. Ohio State money line. And I'm not worried about it at all. I just said, I just said, is this the emotional hedge bet? He's a Penn State guy. A lot of people are on Penn State. I'm not betting this game. I just, that was just my observation. You're part of this bet now. No, I'm not scared though. I'm not like, hey, I'm afraid that you're taking this pick.

It's just like, yeah, I don't know. It seems like a, you know, one of those one with the heart, not the head, but hey, it's okay. Yeah, I actually really liked this pick. You got an Al or injury update for us? I don't. I think they're trying to be like,

all coy is it Al or is it Pribula, make it a little tougher for Ohio State's defense. I just, I just don't think it matters. I think it's the most overrated thing ever. Like, oh no. Yeah. Oh no. I just, but look, the pick I'm going with

is doing the exact same thing with A&M, but we'll get that a little bit later. Uh, all right, Suru. Well, you got burned by Washington last week in the points, but I'm going to go right back to the well there. Uh, they're playing USC at home. I'm going to get it's, it's plus three, I think right now I'm going to take it up to plus seven and a half. Just get it over the full touchdown. Washington's really good at home. This is their first home game in a while too. Uh, I think they're, you know know trying to get kind of bowl eligible here and

I don't trust USC. So Washington plus the points. Did you pick them the war? You had the USC Maryland play right right, okay Well picked against Maryland last week again to finally got it good. Okay, Kyle Okay, I think I heard this somewhere this week That's really where it comes from. I don't remember who, I wish I could give credit, but I'm taking Pittsburgh plus, well I guess I don't make my own odds anymore. So Rudy, what am I allowed to bet? I was gonna say plus seven and a half.

It's not an allowed thing. What is this, what's going on right now? I'm trying to help everybody out. I'm just getting into character, sorry. Well you texted the group. You tell me what I'm allowed. You texted the group that you wanted pit plus seven and a half, which is the actual line.

I said, you know, we could afford to take that plus seven and a half, which is the actual line. I said, you know, we could, we could afford to take that over 10 and a half. So get it to two scores. So that's what we're going to do. Is what he says. So that's what we'll do. Okay. Okay. Pal. I liked it better when I was winning and you two were fighting all the time, but it's now I'm losing and you're fighting and it's just even worse. It makes me sad. Uh, banana splits. Banana splits is the most absurd name for any youth group ever.

Spreading across America. There's there, there everywhere. By the way, I looked it up. You got to get a t-shirt. I don't know. Those are our two t-shirts. I don't like their colors. Wargon trail and banana splits.

No Rassillo merch, just those two. It's just Saruti and myself on both sides of the t-shirts. I don't like their colors. Wargon Trail and Banana Splits. No Rassillo merch, just those two. It's just Saruti and myself on both sides of the t-shirt and Kyle in the middle with a blanket. All right. A&M's Mike Elko, their head coach, is like, we're not telling anybody what we're doing between Wigman and Marcel Reed. I think post a super emotional big time home win against a good LSU team.

You could think they're coming in here a little flat. I think you could also argue the South Carolina's defensive line and just their defense in general is more equipped to deal with it, to deal with the Marcel Reed, Wigman dynamic and all that stuff. This is pretty simple. I just think NAM's really good. So, maybe not the letdown. That's what I'm hoping for obviously.

And if it's Reed, great. If it's Wigman, I still like it. And so I was gonna punish myself and say no more all juice for my boy. Well, that's me. So that's a really weird third person. I'm my own boy. Yeah.

Got another one from. I don't know what just happened there, but let's, uh, what do we have Saruti? Is it, I don't want to take it. If somebody else, I'll do you jacked yours up to what? 10 and a half. Is there any left over? No, no, seven and a half, seven and a half. We're good. So where that's deck, that's plus 500. We're good. We're in a great spot. So what am I minus three and a half? Your money line, A&M am I? Minus three and a half? Oh, you're minus, your money line.

A&M money line. Minus 150. Okay, all right. Couch Money Research has been just terrible. So let's take a look. Let's see what we have. Okay, I was tempted to go Tampa plus nine here, but their injury report is just so bad.

You know, feel like the Chiefs are probably due to drop one here and if you're getting eight and a half or nine with Tampa, but the injury report, unlike who did not participate in Thursday's practice, it scared the shit out of me. So I think I'm gonna go with something that I imagine sharp people don't like, but give me Baltimore minus eight at home against Denver.

I like Baltimore coming off the loss. Denver's defense statistically is terrific. They're a surprising good record team. I've watched them enough where I'm like, I just don't even know that they're that good. And so let's go with Baltimore there. All right, the money part of this, the second highest public play of the week

was the Texans plus two and a half last night. Loser, that probably means this one will lose because the most public play are the Giants plus four at home against the Washington Commanders. And the research pick, I was trying to guess what I thought I would get today from my sources and boy did I guess wrong. The research play this week,

the Packers at home against the Lions plus two and a half, that's gonna feel dangerous. Oh, by the way, I just got the rest of it. I thought it was gonna be Colts plus five and a half at Minnesota. That was the other play but we're going with the Packers is the research play plus two and a half and it's always like whenever it's the guys that do this for a living it's always when we're like well that doesn't make any sense. Yep no shit and that's why I tried to go with Colts plus five and a half but I guess they do like that one a little bit but the Packers will be the official one

here for something that has been super disappointing so thanks for hanging out you can check out all those odds on sportsbook.fandle.com You want details? Buy. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids I am liquid So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required Life advice rr at gmail.com is the email address for life advice Also throw in some Friday feedback Friday feedback rr gmail. We'll do one of those mail bags for the YouTube page

at some point. Next week, we'll do it next week. Oh, well there you go. Next week. People love YouTube only content. Yeah, make sure you check it out. Breakout star Mike Wargon. Yeah, we're thinking of a segment called the Wargon Trail,

but we haven't been able to brand it yet. It could also not be available. Waragon, do you have any content creators in your immediate family that have already taken that? I wish, no. It's a great name. Got some shirts made. That would be awesome if our first show merch

was the Waragon Trail. I actually want that to happen. That's a good shirt though, yeah. It is, it is. I actually want that to happen. That's a good shirt though. Yeah, it is. It is. I wear it multiple times. All right. So I always like to do this when I think it's just really good advice for somebody that had previously written in something. So we had our restaurant guy that was sort of bummed out about where he was at in life and was doing the consulting deal. And, you know, I don't know, half the time we do these, I'm like, is this is this helping but this actually seems like great help I did not think of it because I'm not in the industry but it makes sense because I have friends that are in the industry and here was his point he goes tell him to seek out local jobs in food service sales like us food cisco performance food

group they hire experienced restaurant people for sales jobs with no college degree the restaurant experience is more important than agree than a degree to them. Hope this helps. I can tell you, I guess, I don't know if it's firsthand, if it's my friends. So maybe it's really more secondhand, but friends of mine back in the OG days of the service industry that maybe we're not, well, they avoided the student loan thing, but anyway, they've made great livings working in food services because of the relationships, understanding how the businesses work because they were on the

service side for such a long time too. So I don't know, I thought that was really specific, efficient and potentially also helpful because I have, like I said, I've seen when I get the emails like, yeah, actually, there's like a handful of guys that I know that have done really well in that world. That were just, you know, porn drafts for dudes a long time ago. And that's what happens when you talk to an expert, you get some real advice. Yeah.

Cause yeah, this is a nasty email. We got this one. Um, well, if it's sent at this time of night, it also might've been first thing in the morning, uh, quote, it's amazing whenever Ryan interviews, a supposed expert Ryan spends more time giving his own opinions and allowing the expert to share his views annoying, arrogant and funny. Sounds like he doesn't think it's funny though. No,

you're just saying off off camera. It's been, it's been a tough week for Ryan PR. I feel like, you know, yeah, the lion's only one wrong last week. Uh, the bears game was my other pick. The bears bear people are not happy with you. Reddit is not happy with you after the, your hosting capabilities. So yeah, Oh, that's right. The alpha Quinn thing, people, I would say this to the, to the listeners

that maybe don't understand some of the interjections during interviews is that there are times like if I haven't talked for a really long time, I'll feel like I'll try to make it a little bit more of a discussion. But most of the interviews are still pretty traditional where I lay out for a lot of it as opposed to having it be a conversation.

And I actually felt like I should try to have more conversations instead of some of the more traditional radio interviews. So, you know, just pulling up the curtain for you. Yeah. But some of you, I could just not talk for 40 minutes. I feel like my advice is you talk more during interviews. Yeah, I know. This guy would be psyched.

Maybe we just do intros and then we cut out my questions. Yeah. And then that way, I don't know, would something to work on maybe this summer. Launching a TV. It's the Ron Ristolo podcast, just have a guest go on a monologue for 20 minutes. Yeah, I don't even read the ads. Kyle does life advice.

I think people will be happy with that. Okay, let's do two quick ones. One's not serious, one is really serious. You know what? I'm gonna read this other one. Just while we're on it, while we're on it. Was I a bad host? Little background.

I'm lucky enough to work from home, but my busy season is just starting up. My friends mentioned being in town a couple of months ago. I said, yes, staying out, even though usually I'm kind of a shut in fast forward to last weekend, I really want to focus on work, but nevertheless, reassured my friends, we could see each other, even if I had to work. They drove over an hour, but I was kind of in the zone when they arrived and subsequently wasn't able to completely block out my work duties while they were here.

We ended up just doing what I normally would have done if they weren't there. They didn't stay long. Should I have ordered food or taken some time out of my work schedule? I don't feel guilty for being a bad host. I was upfront with expectations. It's just, I got the sense they were upset with me.

At the end of the day, work is the most important thing to me, but I feel like I checked all the friendship boxes here was I a bad host That's like feels a little targeted. Yeah, did they get Jack in the box on the way home? Kyle couldn't have had a better time. It was the most efficient one-hour visit of his life So I spent a lot of time wondering like should I let him lead with the golf clubs or should I be like so where they? I it was really nerve wracking. All I thought about smoking that cigarette was like, what, how am I going to approach this? What if I hadn't given what I just like old guy forgot?

Yeah, I forgot the clubs. Would you have said anything? Said something as we were getting in the car. Now, the show is the move is always to like, when you're leaving, you're like, oh, the golf clubs, and then make it like you forgot too, and then you just remember. Yeah, that's probably what would have happened.

That's probably what would have happened. I would have seen right through that, by the way. Like, oh, did you still wanna do that? I'm just glad that we didn't come across that bridge. I wasn't gonna forget, because I was so excited to give them to you. So there was that. But yeah, I would say Kyle made out pretty well.

Kind of tough for Wargon and Sarutti, especially realizing that Wargon probably went right to the airport for a flight. They were two knives in arm's reach. I'm still, they're just so light. I love how light they are. Wargon, you didn't go right to the airport, right? Did you go home, get a couple hours in?

Sarutti's flight was before mine. It was. Well, that doesn't mean anything. Well, that's not what we're talking about buddy. We shared an Uber though now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I think, I think all in all, whatever the approval rating has been higher, uh, than the last couple of weeks, but we'll just try to, you know, fight back. Approval. There's a pie though, right? It's like, it's like, you know, it's like blame pie, but approval rating pie and like yours is lessening and

we're guns is growing. So, you know, you got to make room for something. Yeah, it's like Bitcoin. There's only so much approval to go around. Oh, he likes Bitcoin too. That's what makes it a feasible option. All right, let's go. Let's go with this one. This has to do with pickup basketball. We're good with these, I think I don't know if, is this really his name? I have, okay, he said it is.

My name is Twiggy. I'm 33 years old, 6'4", 185 from Victoria, BC. Shout out to Victoria. He said shout out to Ryan for making his way over here this year. Sorry about all the homeless people. It's not your fault, buddy. It was just an observation.

So I loved it up there. I absolutely loved it. I think it had more to do with Vancouver, really. So, you know, whatever. I loved it up there. Probably we'll go back. Gym stats look more like Steve Nash's shooting splits.

So we don't need to talk about those. Player comp, somewhere between Tony Allen and Andre Roberson and therein lies the reason for my email. Back in August, I got invited by my friend, of a friend to come join a group of dudes in their 20s who play pickup basketball every week at a local gym is a lifelong basketball fan. I jumped to the opportunity because it's been 15 years, bold font since I last

played since joining this group of younger guys who I don't know. So that means he didn't, he stopped playing at 18. Those are tough development years, 18 to 33 to not play basketball. Um, you know, so those green man strength. Yeah. He's totally right. Yeah. So who knows?

Maybe he's got plenty of tread left on the tire. Like those running backs that are always hurt. Like, well, he hasn't had many carries. Like there's, there's a reason. Um, all right. I'm starting to notice that I don't play like any of these people. And I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not for context. I grew up playing basketball all through school from the ages of seven

to seventeen. I was never the best player, but growing up in small towns, I was always the tallest kid in school. So I've exclusively played at the five my whole life. I've never been much of a shooter, but I also never practiced it really because coaches wanted me to focus on rebounding defense and maintaining range within the paint. In the 2000s, this was a totally normal thing for a young center learning the game. Fast forward to now and all of these younger dudes who grew

up watching Steph Curry are clearly influenced by his play style. Everybody wants to jack up shots, dribble the air of the ball and are generally disinterested in defense or team ball. Meanwhile, I'm out here setting picks like I'm Steven Adams. Nice to see old Steve-O back on the court and fighting for rebounds. Remember that New Zealand international incident? I do. When I talked about Steven Adams, that was incredible. I was worried when I went down there.

I was like, wonderful. Were you questioning his toughness? I forget what that, what was that about? Yeah, it was kind of like. I think it was, yeah, you were like. Little bit. It's not that he's not a super tough guy. I just felt like they needed him to be tougher in the games

and whatever. I don't wanna do this all over again. They're probably gonna lead the news with it again tonight. Fighting for rebounds like on Moses Malone, you can count the number of shots I've made in the past three months on two hands, but my teams usually win. I had a feeling they might.

And at the end of the day, that's all I'm really worried about. So my question is, am I the worst guy to play with? Should I change my play style to be more like these other guys I'm playing with or just keep doing what I've always done? Maybe it's time to look into joining a group of guys in their 40s who maybe don't play like the kids do. I figure you have three more.

You have three. You three have more experience playing pickup as adults than I do, considering my 15 year hiatus. So I'm looking for some insights. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help. You actually sound like the best guy to play with. So let's start there.

Yeah. If they're jacking shots and missing and you're grabbing boards, I mean, it seems like they're like, this guy is the best. Right? It sounds like I should just keep doing what I'm doing. This is no disrespect to Jason Maxfield, but there's a lot more Jason Maxfields out there. Like it's easier to replicate what Jason Max seal, but there's, there's a lot more Jason Max seals out there.

Like it's, it's easier to replicate what Jason Max seal does in a pickup game that is to replicate what Steph Curry does in a pickup game. Right. So that's a good point though. People don't talk about how, you know, really that millennial kind of group has really gotten screwed with the, it's not just the NBA players, it's the pickup basketball players. They didn't, we missed on this.

Cause I had a bunch of buddies who were like, you know, six foot, you were a big man and did, you know, six foot, you were a big man. And you know, it's like, Hey, getting the paint and those guys only all they have is paint moves and you know, up and unders and those guys are shooting breeze. 25 shots a game on a double rim and it's just boom. That was a good sound effect buddy.

It's the double rim sound. Yeah. Well, really I would ask the email, do you care? Like if you're winning the games and you're doing all the stuff that you're better at, um, you're probably not going to be a great shooter if you never grew up shooting. And so why, why do you want to play like them? My, my concern would be that you don't want to play with these guys because

it sucks to play with these guys. You shouldn't be worried about your game. Your game is awesome. That there should be more guys like you that want to do some of the other stuff, but they don't. It used to drive me crazy when I was consistently playing all the time. The Steph thing is totally right. It's crazy when you play in a pickup game during peak staff. This is still years and years ago. I remember just being at games with younger dudes. So this is still years and years ago. And I remember just being a games, younger dudes going, this is fucking crazy.

Like you guys don't even, it doesn't even go in, but you just want to make it look like, you don't even care if the shot goes in or not. It's that you're showing all the other guys that this is in your bag. You know, like I'll just pull from deep. It's like, does it ever go in? And like, nobody's even set up in that.

It's a smart basketball play. Damn man. Now we're fucking running again. Come on. Yeah. Like whatever I was hoping. No shit. You were 35 feet away from the hoop.

Like who's picking you up? Nobody's even set up yet. Like there's nothing that we didn't even, even attempt to screen. It's not like I was going to go down to the post and get an entry pass in this kind of game. So eventually that shit gets old and then you watch no one boxes anybody out. It's not like I was going to go down to the post and get an entry pass in this kind of game. So eventually that shit gets old and then you watch no one boxes anybody out. People don't get back in transition and you're just running around being like, Oh, so this

game is just going to suck. Like you know, every now and then I might be like, so this is what we're doing. Just so just a passive aggressive to nine strangers. So this is this is what the deal is today, guys. You just want to lose. So it sounds like he's it doesn't sound like it sounds like he's self conscious, though, like he's the one that's something wrong. And like, I'm wondering, are these dudes like yelling at you

because you're picking and rolling, not picking and popping? Are you like not hitting the corners hard enough? Like, that's what it sounds like. And I'll just let you know that you are in the right. Like if you don't have that in your bag and you can't, again, we don't need a team full of five Steph Currys. Like everyone's gotta play their role. So I don't know if you're a hustle guy and maybe,

it sounds like you just need to find a new pickup because maybe these guys, it's not fixable. So on that, can I ask, I mean, my old guy pickup circles don't run very deep. And what I heard with Bill, now you might be an anomaly for this, Ryan, I don't know. But like, Bill was just like, you know, as you start to get older, start, you know, hanging around the arc and shooting. That's basically what Bill said as he phased out of his pickup basketball. He was like, I became pretty much a shooter.

And if you go older, do you think you run into more guys who are like, you know what, I don't think I'm going to throw my shoulder in and I don't think I'm taking it to the rack today. If you jump up in age groups, do you think maybe you just would get a little bit more of the same, but maybe just a little more seasoned in their jump shots? Well, Bill's right. There's an age where you're not off a screen just going into the pain as hard as you possibly can. Like you might be able to on the first possession when you're not tired yet, but you end up being tired. And now you can see with NBA players at the end of the game,

like how come he's not driving? It's like, well, cause he's played 40 minutes and he's exhausted. And he's thinking, if I just get a little space, I'm just going to pull up here because it's hard to get yourself mentally when you're that tired to continue to attack with the same prosody. So when we're talking about NBA players that get tired, think about pickup, especially with older dudes. So yeah, he's right. I mean, you start floating around the arc and you start doing all those things.

But when you just stop boxing out, you stop playing defense, you stop calling out screens, you don't do anything. You're running top of key to top of key if you're even still playing full court, like, you know, it just, it's going to lead to all these other mistakes. If the other guys are now, if that's just everybody in the game and everybody's doing the same thing, then it kind of cancels it out. It's kind of easy. You get some buckets because nobody's really all that locked in.

But this sounds like to the point of this email that it's almost as if he was asking if he was doing anything wrong. And our point is that you're not doing anything wrong. Pick up needs more guys like you. It's almost as if he was asking if he was doing anything wrong. And our point is that you're not doing anything wrong. Pick up needs more guys like you. And if you're cool with them, it wasn't like the email was like, I can't stand these guys I play with to his point. He was being self-conscious about it. If you like playing with them and you like the way that you play and you're

winning games, like keep doing it, man. And you're still only 33 and you're six four. You play like this. Everybody should want you on their team. So I don't think you're doing anything wrong. All right. Okay. This one probably a little serious for our pay grade, but we're going to give it a shot anyway.

People want a Pinehurst update. That's not the serious one. We never did it because of the way that things played out. I guess on a slower day, Sarutti just remind me and maybe we'll hammer out a little Pinehurst trip update because I loved it. It was great. And it's worth giving those guys.

All right, major screw up. Now I fear for my life. Here we go. Throw away email. So personal name is not revealed. Big fan of the pod, 34 years old, 5'11", 195. Passes prime Jim Ratt, pickup comp is Kyle Korver stuck in quicksand, off ball game isn't there anymore

so just stick me in a corner and knock a few threes and I know a team you can play on. Earlier this month I was going through the hardest time of my life. Hope this one's, well actually I don't know if it's fake and I'm not going to feel as bad, but here we go. Had a really rough divorce and didn't know how to cope with it. A few of my college buddies invited me to make a trip back up to our hometown.

We all grew up in to come stay with them. I told them I was down and looking forward to just turning my brain off for the weekend and escaping from my problems. On the last time I was in town, we all went out to a bar, hopping around. I ran into my ex-girlfriend from high school. Haven't seen her in over a decade. She's now married with kids. The chemistry between us upon meeting was palpable.

From the way she greeted me and was talking with me at the bar, you would have no idea this woman was married. Couldn't believe how strong the sexual tension was between us. It felt like some sort of magnetic energy. I was sloshed on Molly and on Gummies. All right, that's just poor planning. Tough combo, yeah. That's just poor planning. Guy just went for it. I'm back in town. So I'm sure that was playing into it as well. Pretty good conclusion. She ended up inviting me back to her home. I shouldn't have agreed and should have

listened to my buddies because we ended up having sex. I was not myself that night, heavily under the influence. I know that's no excuse. And I still live with the guilt of that night to this day. When I left to go back home, she was texting me, calling me, wanting me to stay longer, asking when I'd be back in town again. I told her that night was a mistake and never should have happened and that I wanted her to have a happy marriage. This is where my big problem starts.

She sends me a text that says, quote, if you don't come back up to see me in two weeks, I'm telling my husband about us and he will shoot to kill. That's not gonna happen. That's, that's not a good text. It's not gonna happen either. Come on. Unfortunately for me, her husband, um, well, I'm gonna leave out some of this.

He apparently would not be a guy you want to mess with, uh, and has more guns in their house than anyone should own. So I'm inclined to believe some of this. He apparently would not be a guy you wanna mess with and has more guns in their house than anyone should own. So I'm inclined to believe her on this one. What do I do here? The whole situation is such a mess. I legitimately fear for my life and she knows where I live. I don't wanna ruin their marriage and their kids' lives,

but I also would like to not die before 40. Any advice on this one? Thanks for the help. All right, Kyle, you jumped in quick with the threat here. So why don't you take the lead? I mean, just game it out. Why would she ever do this? Why would she do this?

What makes this? Yeah. Like even if she like used a bunch of little fabrication things, you know, and made it seem like he was the proponent of this whole situation and she was like, you know, dragging her feet and finally just had like, there's really no way to make this sound unless it's a complete lie and we're talking like assault here, which doesn't sound like is the case.

Why would she do this? It doesn't make any sense. So, I mean, I think you just kind of shove it down. I know you're sick to your stomach about it. I've been in situations where I'm like, yeah, I could probably this, I don't know what's happening right now, but there's the threat of violence and or death. And it's like, it makes you sick to your stomach and you hope it goes away. And in my case, it went away. So it's like, I think you just shove it down and move on.

That's really what like, it's not imminent. It's not impending. It's just like, wow, that definitely sounds terrible. And I think about it a lot, but I think this is what, it just goes away if you just leave it alone. He doesn't say how far away he lives, right? Bit of a GPS pin drop, anything like that. If it's like a couple hours, it's one of those things

where you're gonna be looking over your shoulder at the gas station for the rest of your life. If it's several states apart or coasts, I, yeah, I'm with Kyle. I think, do you, do you tell her that? Do you just say, Hey, like, this is like, what do you, what do you, what do you threaten me that he's going to murder me and like, get this all out there and see what she says and if she keeps going on this, do you kinda, then you're like, okay, because I mean, she definitely, I mean, the fact that first night back in town, you haven't seen her, however, and she brings you back to her home

where her children sleep and you hook up. And again, like, you know, you were fucked up, it is what it is. You don't feel great, but it's kind of more on her here. Who knows what she's capable of? That's obviously a pretty unhinged person. So I would be like, this is, are you threatening? Like what's going on here? And see how she kind of reacts to that. And if it gets escalated more, like, then I would maybe have to get some people involved here. But if you're far away, it's like if this is like a East Coast,

West Coast thing or a plane ride away, then I think you're probably fine. Look, I don't have experience with this. So start there, but like think of the number of times that you've heard about, like somebody being threatened and the reality is that, I mean, you don't want to be dismissive of it because certainly there are instances where, you know, it's something real and you may have to deal with it. But the way this is being set up where if, if this is all true, right. If she's so unhinged to then be like, if you don't come back and start

sleeping with me more than I'm going to do this, it tells me that she enjoys this part of the process, like she enjoys fucking with you and she's probably done it to somebody else. And this usually is only fueled by paying attention to it and giving her the attention that she wants. Like she's doing this for the attention and then she's hoping that you're going to continue, you're going to be so scared that you're afraid of cutting off any communication with her where whenever this stuff like I remember there was a girl that I knew and somebody got her information and somebody was just randomly texting her and then like sending her pictures of them holding a gun. And it was like, you know, you got a cash app mean, you know,

just one of those deals. And you're like, look, you just got to block the number. You got to, you just got to, it sucks. It's completely unsettling. It's scary as hell, the whole thing. But that person is generally feeding off of like you continuing to communicate. Like as soon as they see you communicating and being worried, it's like, oh, I've got one. We got him. Right. Yeah. So I know it can sound really dismissive here, but I think the odds of any hand, just think too of like all the times that, you know, I remember just being younger and thinking

about like being married and it was like, oh my God, if my wife had been cheated on me, like what would you do? You'd ruin the rest of your life. And I remember just being younger and thinking about like being married and it was like, Oh my God, if my wife were cheating on me, like what would you do? You'd ruin the rest of your life. You wouldn't, you know, what would you, you'd sulk and be mad. And then if you saw the guy in town, you probably wouldn't do anything.

Right. You'd say you would, but then you probably wouldn't because most of us, at the end of the day, aren't going to do anything. So even if you're trying to make this more specific about who the husband is and all that kind of stuff, I think this has way more to do with whatever needs he has. And if you were to continue to talk with her about this,

it's just gonna drag out this stress thing where I think the best thing would be, I'm blocking your number. Do not threaten me. You know, whatever, whatever. Like you took it to a level that's way too far. I do not want to talk to you. So at least you're not being hit with like daily updates of it. I'm like, look, we've all seen the Netflix shows and read the stories and all that kind of stuff. But I always feel like in this position, this is somebody that somehow needs your fear and communication to like fill whatever void is going on with them.

I think so. I think just in general, like the, I'm gonna kick your ass to asses actually kicked ratio is so fucking skewed in many situations. There's way more I'm gonna kick your ass than there are asses that are actually kicked ratio is so fucking skewed in many situations. It's like there's way more, I'm going to kick your ass and there are asses that are actually kicked. So I think that's one thing that you can just try to maybe find a better way to say that mantra in your head and just shove that feeling down, block the number. You've got the Judge Judy text, if this ever goes anywhere, you'd be like, look, man, I

tried. We're in a new age where a lot of our communication is that way. So if you're in the right in the situation, it will come out if it ever gets there. I don't think it's going to get there. I don't think there's any assets to be kicked here. I think you just block the number, move on. And pretty soon you won't think about it anymore and you can stop being sick to your stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think there's anything else there. All right. That's life advice. Thanks to Wargon. Thanks to Saruti and Kyle. We have a new YouTube up for over, under, and properly in Kyle's history fact.

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