The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Is Mahomes Just Inevitable? Plus, Damien Woody on Hurts’s Bright Future and Super Bowl After-Parties.

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

Russillo shares his takeaways from the Chiefs' Super Bowl win over the Eagles (0:32) before talking with two-time Super Bowl champion Damien Woody about the Chiefs offensive line being one of the biggest stars of the game, Kansas City's run-pass balance, the Eagles' lack of defensive adjustments, Jalen Hurts's incredible performance, the continued growth of Patrick Mahomes's legacy, stories from Damien's two Super Bowl victories, after-parties, and more (18:43). Next Ryen, Ceruti, and Kyle convene to name the surprising winner of the NFL picks contest (45:50), recap Ryen's weekend in Arizona for the Super Bowl and Waste Management Open, and answer some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (1:00:07). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Damien Woody Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Chiefs are your Super Bowl champs. Wyatt was the O-line and Mahomes. Philly D, where you at? A great part of the Hurt story. Trying to figure out the contract. We're going to do all that stuff in the open and with Damian Woody. Talk about the penalty. So a lot to cover here.

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The number one thing was how will Kansas City's offensive line handle this Philadelphia defense, specifically their front, all the depth, all the different guys that can rotate in and out of there. We did not hear from the Philadelphia D-line the entire game. A massive win for that O-line for Kansas City. And one of the biggest reasons why this happened was balance. Okay? Kansas City always wanted Philadelphia thinking, we will actually run the football.

It's not some massive numbers. It's not like it was a ground game first. It's not what happened. Mahomes won them this game. But the balance, the concerted effort by this offense with Reed and Bien-Ami to make sure that they showed Philadelphia

something that they had to respect the entire game was one of the biggest reasons why Kansas City won last night. The first drive, four runs, two passes. Get them thinking. The missed field goal drive, where I actually think they should have gone for it, was a pass-heavy drive. Then they had a three and out, but they ran it on first down,

which is something that they don't do very often. Everybody loves now passing on first down. The Cook Index, which is brought up by Mike Sandoe numerous times, score neutral, how often are you running, how often are you passing on first down. The Cook Index, which is brought up by Mike Sando numerous times, score neutral. How often are you running? How often are you passing on first down? They come out after they missed the field goal and they run it on first down. The two-minute drive was pass-heavy, two-minute drive. Okay, but here's where I think it was really important. 24-14 at the half, the first drive of the second half, Kansas City has the football. at the half, the first drive of the second half, Kansas City has the football.

They ran it three straight times on that drive and seven times total on a touchdown drive to make it 24-21. That was huge because all Philadelphia is waiting for, like I think a lot of coordinators would have done, oh, we're down 10 points. We only got 30 minutes left. Let's just abandon everything, go wide, and try to just move football,

you know, football as fast as we can. And that's what I love about what Kansas city did. They stayed patient. They were okay with it. Maybe you're more okay with it because of my homes, or maybe that's the reason why you would pass more often. I think other coordinators would have fucked this up.

And that's one of my favorite things about last night's game. So now all of a sudden you have this balance and now it's a field goal game. But if you go back to the half, there's some other numbers in here that I think are interesting because it looks like total domination by Philadelphia's offense. It looks like Kansas City's like, wait a minute, what's going on here? Mahomes has 89 yards. Kansas City was 0 for 3 on third downs. Philadelphia had 17 first downs, only 6 for Kansas City. Philadelphia had 17 first downs, only six for Kansas City. Philadelphia was six of 10 on third downs, and I'll throw in a fourth down conversion where they were two for two on the game,

which really is like seven out of 10 conversions on third down for Philadelphia. But the time of possession part of this was talked about, but I don't know that it was, I think it should have, I think there should have been one moment where it was described a little bit more, which could have made this a little misleading. Hey, Philadelphia was a better team in the first half, right?

You're feeling like Kansas City only scored seven points on offense because of the Hurts fumble that led to the Bolton touchdown. That's your 14. But giving away a football like that also takes away the possession. So there's probably still another three plus minutes at least for Kansas City and maybe a couple first downs and more yards for Mahomes that would have made it look more like a normal stat line, which is still below Mahomes standards. But you get my point here. When you give away an entire possession, defense scores a touchdown, and then Philly comes right back.

Look, you want the touchdown. You'll give up the possession for the defensive touchdown. look, you want the touchdown. You'll give up the possession for the defensive touchdown. But that part of it, I think, needed a little bit more description on what was happening and how some of these numbers were working themselves out. Philadelphia, on offense, loved the game plan. They knew, hey, if we line up against their D-line with our O-line, say there's 10 short yardage situations, we're going to win at least seven of them. It's not like they gashed Kansas City.

There was only 45 rushing yards from Philadelphia on non-Hertz runs. Hertz was incredible last night, but they knew that they'd win enough. And it felt like Kansas City was helpless so many times, those short yardage situations. The goal line push, that wasn't even close. This is like rugby stuff. So whether it's Sirianni knowing we've got to take chances, it's what we do. We love

our own line. We love our quarterback on short yardage situations. And we want to make sure we keep the ball away from the homes as much as we can. So back to the possession, lost possession, time of possession stuff that we're talking about here. It was still over 22 minutes for Philadelphia, or just about 22 minutes, maybe just under

an 8-plus for Kansas City, looking at some of that stuff. So I loved all that. I mean, the offense for Philadelphia isn't a problem. We're going to get to Hurts here in a second. It's going to be a love letter to the guy. But that approach, the collective approach of this is what we're going to do. We're going to stay with it consistently. They were able to move the football enough that it wasn't some weird on their own side of the field where they had to go for like fourth and three going what the hell are you guys doing that would have been a different situation but i love that part of it was a big reason for the success he also thought the defensive backs of kansas city uh massive disadvantage against aj brown and davante smith it really only happened on a couple of those plays it'd be totally unfair for me to say well

it worked twice he should have taken more deep shots uh aj brown was double, but Brown's just better than the two corners he was going up against. And he made the play and grabbed it. And then Devontae, for whatever reason, the corner for Kansas City peels off of him on a go route, lets him go behind him, which was really weird. That's just jumping a route when you shouldn't be. You need to be more disciplined in that. But for me to say, hey, those deep shots work. Take more deep shots. What's wrong with you? That's Monday morning play calling guy from somebody who's never played the position, has no fucking idea what the quarterback's looking at, and isn't looking at the all 22, and they scored 30 plus points. So, you know, we're going to tell you that they should have done something different on offense.

This Philly D, man, zero sacks, only the second game all season that they went a full game without a sack, last and only time, week six against Dallas. How many times do you feel like, man, Philly's defense stepped up and made a huge play there? I don't feel like it happened very often. We want to look at some third down stops. Okay, we can come up with a list of four or five things. That was a good play.

I'm not telling you it was three-plus hours of bad plays by the defense the whole time. But as far as, hey, make a play. We need a game-changing play. We've got to figure it out. D-line was not a factor. I think the biggest play defensively was the Gardner-Johnson tackle on Pacheco.

It was third and one. Philly decides to blitz. I'd like to look at the full blitz numbers in this one. I feel like it was very blitz light, although Spagnuolo had a couple times with Hurts in the second half. He's like, I got to speed this guy up here a little bit. That's a third and one blitz light although spagnolo had a couple times with hertz in the second half he's like i gotta speed this guy up here a little bit uh that's a third and one blitz call pacheco left sideline

gets around the corner that's a touchdown saving tackle by gardner johnson huge hit on him and he blasted him earlier so that's a big disappointment for this group which had been one of the elite units all season long now again you could say you could say, hey, it was Mahomes, but that was something that factored into how I wanted to pick this game because I just kept thinking, you know, when you look at the resume of quarterbacks that Philadelphia has faced and what they faced in the NFC playoffs, like it just leaked in here because the average performance of all the quarterbacks the Eagles faced this year, it ranked 24th. Okay?

It just tells you they weren't facing tough guys throughout the entire season. The part that sucks from last night, for neutral fans, for Philly fans, not for Kansas City fans, it's the penalty. So let's look at this drive. The Mahomes scramble was massive.

They've got the football to Philly 43, 26 yards to the Philly 17, just before the two minute warning they did run one more play here but that's the longest run for Mahomes of the season so now we go third and eight at the Philly 15 the hold call on James Bradbury

now credit to Bradbury I guess for after the game I mean I guess we all listened to it we saw him saying hey it was a hold I hate the call I really do. Whenever you have the jersey tug part of it, though, you're going to expose yourself. It's one thing to get your hands on somebody. It's another to pull on the jersey. And then he kind of grabs him again, but didn't feel like it was something where, now, Chris Carter used to always say,

how are you going to tell me what I can or can't catch? It didn't feel like that was the reason the ball wasn't completed. So I'm a little torn with it because I, like a lot of viewers, are pretty neutral on this going it's unfair to say that that penalty decided it because if it's not called, we're fourth and eight, we're still at the 15, we're under the two-minute warning, okay, and now we're looking at a fourth and eight as I mentioned, under 150 probably after the kickoff. So they say

they kick the field goal and they're up. We're looking at Philly with less than 150 probably depending on how the kickoff goes with only one timeout left. Now, we've all watched enough football to know that in that moment, you're defending a touchdown, but you're also kind of defending the field goal. What hurts have been able to go right down the field. He was great last night, so I wouldn't rule it out. But what I don't like is anyone looking at this game saying that that play single-handedly cost the Eagles the Super Bowl. I don't like the call. I kind of get the call.

I don't like it. But let's not just fast forward. Let's not snowball that into an assumption. Kansas City was still going to have the lead, and that's still a lot of work to do with only one timeout for Philadelphia to move the football down the field, although we've seen plenty of good teams move the football down that quickly, so I'm not being dismissive. But Bradbury, his admission ruins Eagles

fans' night. Excuse me, the penalty ruins Eagles fans' night. His admission ruins a Monday morning for the Eagles fans that are like, hey, could you have not admitted that you did it? Because it would have been way better for my argument today. Let's talk a little bit about Jalen Hurts.

27-38, 304 yards, the rushing part of it. He was incredible. The throw on third and 14 to Goddard. I can't believe they converted the third and 14. I can't believe the throw worked. I, too, thought it might have been picked underneath. That's like an all time. I got to have it.

Raising your level of risk based on game scenario and in the importance of a game last night. That's big time stuff. And like, there's a lot of guys that wouldn't even have attempted that throw. And would we be killing them for throwing an interception on third and 14? I don't know. I'd like to think that I'd stay consistent with this stuff. But that was a quarterback going, no, no, I need this right now. We need the – I'm not going for fourth and six.

I'm not throwing to a guy five yards short of the stick with three defenders in front of him. I'm going to try to put my guy in a position. And Goddard had a huge game last night. This also leads us to the Hurts question, which I don't think is a question about who he is anymore. And if you've been paying attention, right, this is who he's developed into. But his contract, after three years, we'll see what happens. Philadelphia hooked Wentz up after three years.

The Kyler deal, the second most guaranteed money ever. Deshaun Watson getting the most guaranteed ever. Average salary for Kyler, depending on which numbers you want to look at, total value north of $40 million. If you're Hurts, you're like, that's the starting point. I'm better than that guy is. Honestly, I don't even think it's close. I got major questions about Kyler. That's not part of this segment really here. But the comp on those contracts is, we'll see what Philadelphia does. Because when you start looking at having a free quarterback, like you had this year with Hurts,

and now the cap number in his fourth year would go up, they could not do it if they don't want to. But if you look at Kansas City on the other side, they spent 21% of their cap on quarterbacks, the most for a Super Bowl team since 2011 when they started up the rookie scale. So we love the free quarterbacks, and some of us start to think, wait, should all teams do that?

Yeah, no problem. Just sign a guy who's like an MVP, almost caliber rookie quarterback that's for free. Just go ahead and draft that guy, and the rest will be fine. Easier said than done. Anything bad besides the penalty from last night? The field was atrocious.

A little anecdote here. I was in this stadium for Auburn, Oregon in the national championship game, Cam Newton's title. The field was a mess then. Another little side story. Erin Andrews was doing sideline for that as she was last night. I remember she started talking about the different cleats. You want to hear something crazy? I think she had had a deal with Reebok or something at the time, and it was an Under Armour Nike game, right? Auburn, Oregon. And she was talking about the cleats because it was the report.

They were trying to figure it out. Everybody's slipping all over the place. And then I think somebody complained. I don't know if it was like a lot of people or just like one person or if it was a marketing thing or whatever. But I think she had had a deal with Reebok and people were like, oh, she's only pointing that out because it's an Under Armour Nike game. I don't know how real that was. That's what we had heard.

And then I let it all, or it's other dumb shit. But this field was a mess. I don't, you know, I'm not a dew point guy. So I don't know what to tell you. Some other people will tell you this is what happens in the desert when it cools this quickly or whatever.

That sucked. It sucked for everybody involved. And you got to do better. I don't know. I don't like saying do better in this case. The ads, I think most of them suck. I was wondering where that second Jesus one was going. I'm not going to lie to you.

Jesus marketing budget through the roof. I was like, a lot of people yelling at each other. You know, I don't think this is going to be verbo. And it wasn't.

It wasn't. Nope. Did LeBron really get booed? Did you see him put the crown on his head? That was weird. I don't know. I don't know if he really got booed or not. People were trying to say they did. Rihanna was terrific. The disrespect angle. Let's talk about that a little bit. This is my 13th Super Bowl that I've been to. I've never gone to the game, just the lead up

or whatever. It's not like, oh, poor me. I've never been to the game. I just usually could never go because I always had to be back in Connecticut to be on the air on Monday. It wasn't logistically even possible to stay for the game and then be back on the air on the biggest show of the year. Everybody in Arizona was on Philadelphia. Now, I think everybody thought it was close. I just was very surprised that more people weren't like, I get to pick my homes in a Super Bowl. And that's what I did. It wasn't real scientific. And yet the entire week, I felt like everyone was on Philly. So Travis Kelsey gets out there saying, hey, everybody disrespects us. Is he right?

I don't know that it's disrespect. Maybe just a bunch of other people picked the other team. I don't know, man. These teams can do whatever they want, I guess. I mean, if Georgia can sit there after the TCU game being like nobody believed in us, you fucking, you guys nuts. They find like one blogger that picked them to go six and six or something. So let's talk more about why you'd pick Mahomes because we're looking at some all time stuff

here as I finish up. In the athletic piece, the pick six that Sando has every Monday, I always reference it because there's always some awesome nugget in there. He looked at Mahomes three Super Bowl teams versus Brady's first three Super Bowl teams. Okay. And one of the things that I love that he points out what EPA does is it looks at what a quarterback does and then what the rest of his team is doing for him. And in this case, we're going to look at the combined expected points added from special teams and the defense. The three Super Bowl teams that Mahomes has had combined to rank 27th in defensive and special teams EPA.

That's not good. Brady's first three Super Bowl teams, the win against the Rams, the win against Carolina, the win against the Eagles, they ranked second. Mahomes is one of 83 quarterbacks with at least 50 starts since 2000. When his team has a negative combined defensive and special teams EPA, he's winning 67% of those games. Brady's winning 53%. Peyton Manning won 52%. All other quarterbacks combined have won under 30% of those games

where the defense and special teams were a net negative. Last night, the Chiefs special teams and defensive EPA were minus two touchdowns. The guy was 4-4 scoring in the second half. It would have been 4-4 touchdowns, but they didn't want the touchdown because the Eagles wanted the ball back. I can't imagine ever not picking this guy. I mean, at some point I'm going to have to.

But this is who he is. That's who he is in the second half. And in a weird way, I'm just happy for him because I think he's that special. And I didn't want to see a one and two next to his name.

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The old line is the story as much as it is my homes. What did you see? Yeah, literally coming into the game, I thought that my X factor was going to be Isaiah Pacheco because I thought that the Kansas City Chiefs need to be balanced on offense. You know, when you're facing a really good pass rushing unit like the Philadelphia Eagles have,

it's very important to have that type of balance, whether it be running the football, screen, stuff like that. And even with the Kansas City Chiefs down 10.5, they still had plenty of time to just do what they do, run the football. Actually, that helped them get back into the game. Because once you become one-dimensional, you play right into the Philadelphia Eagles. So you got to give kudos to Andy Reid for just staying with the game plan, running the

football. And that really helped out the Chiefs offense in the second half. Now, when you're game planning for something like Philly's D-line, right? And it's amazing that they're so not a story. Zero sacks, all the depth, all these looks, all the stuff that you can do. What is the week like going, okay, we know. Now, granted, KC's O-line's talented. So it's not like it's this group that you go into what is the week like going okay we know now granted casey's old line's talented so it's not like this this group that you go into and they have no chance but what is

that like day-to-day leading up to it how you prep for that kind of challenge yeah because usually what what you usually face is um you'll face like one maybe two guys that you kind of have to put a circle around like we got to take these guys out of the game. These guys can wreck the whole game. Philly literally has, like, four guys at minimum that can wreck a game. They got four guys that came, you know, from the regular season that had double-digit sacks. That's rare to see four guys with, you know, double-digit sacks.

So I think it's just really – honestly, it just comes down to manning up. You can't double everybody. So I think it becomes more of a pride thing when you're an offensive lineman knowing that, okay, all the talk has been about how great these guys are at pass rushing, but at the same time, we're not scrubs ourselves. ass rushing, but at the same time, we're not scrubs ourselves. We might be a top two line between KC and the Philadelphia Eagles. So I just think it's more of a, instead of X's and O's,

it's more of a kind of a pride thing when you talk about going against guys like that. I love the balance. It's something that I touched on at the beginning of the show in that I always feel like there's just certain coordinators. It's not like, hey, this guy always does this and this guy doesn't. But, you know, you're down 24-14. But there was some kind of sneaky numbers in their lack of time of possession. And you're like, okay, well, what do we need to do?

And I feel like other teams have kind of abandoned everything. And I wouldn't even blame them when you have Mahomes. But they came out, they had that balance. And I just think even if you don't have, you know, we don't prioritize running backs anymore. I'm okay with it feeling like the reward is still in passing as opposed to handing it off a bunch, but just making that group think about it was probably as big a factor from game planning, making sure it was still something that the Eagles D-line had to think about. I thought it was really smart by Kansas City to never abandon that look. Yeah, I mean, listen, as much as we eat praise on the Philly D-line, that still was an area that was, quote-unquote,

a little bit of a weakness for the Philadelphia defense. That's why they went out and got Ndamukong Su during the season because teams were running on them. So I think Kansas City said, you know what? In order for us to claw our way back in, we can't be like a lot of coordinators who get spooked and just go one-dimensional and start throwing the ball, especially when you've got a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes.

We've still got to be true. We've got to be balanced. We've got to run the football to have this defense start thinking about both aspects of our offense. You know what I like from Sirianni? It was very clear early on. It's like, okay, clearly Philly didn't gash them, but they knew, okay, short yardage situations, we're going to win more

than we lose. And if we lose on third down, then we'll go for it on fourth down. Granted, they lose, so there's usually not a ton of credit heaped on the team that lost, but it was very clear that's how they saw that matchup. And it's something they won consistently. They still scored 30 plus points, so it was working. What did you think of the approach of them always feeling like we're always going to have the extra down if we need to? Yeah, I think part of it is the opponent you're playing, right? I mean, as much as we talk about Philly's defense, you're still going up against the league MVP in Patrick Mahomes. The highest scoring offense in the league, the accolades go on and on. So I think Nick Sirianni said, you know what?

It's, it's more important for us to possess the ball and keep that guy, you know, keep 15 on the sideline, because if we can limit his possessions, then that give us the best outcome of winning, winning the game. Ultimately what ended up happening was, yeah, they got less possessions, but they were scoring every time they possessed the ball, particularly in the second half. And so that's where, to me, where the Philadelphia Eagles, and in particular, their defense came up short, is that every time KC had the ball, they were scoring.

Yeah. So, I mean, I saw your tweet about it. What was the adjustment that you would have liked to have seen from Philly on the defensive side? Well, I think clearly there were some communication issues in the secondary because one thing about KC, they run a lot of motion. They run it at one of the highest clips or maybe the highest clip in the National Football League,

and those guys were having a hard time communicating on the back end. They play a lot of zone. They play a lot of zone on the back end. You think with the caliber of cornerbacks and the secondary that the Eagles have, I would have thought they would have been a little bit more aggressive as far as man coverage, getting up in those guys' faces a little bit more. But, you know, it just didn't... I think that was the thing I was

most disappointed about with Philadelphia. Jonathan Gannon, the defensive coordinator, I think his lack, you know, the lack of adjustments during the game, particularly in the second half. Clearly, you saw KC, you saw their adjustments. We just didn't see enough of it on the Philadelphia side on defense. As I've learned over the years, you know, ask,

hey, what are those adjustments? What are those adjustments? The D-line guys would be like, the adjustments are almost always on the back end. So, you know, if you're Philly and you're used to getting home

with four, I don't know what the final blitz numbers were. You know, Spagnuolo got a little spicy there late, but I kept looking for it and like they're not sending extra guys. Philly, and I didn't feel like they were sending extra guys a ton. I think Philly could also argue, despite the lack of time of possession for Kansas City,

we don't feel like anybody on the outside is hurting us here. Kelsey had the early touchdown, but you're right. Once it started getting a little bit more open, I don't know if it's a confusion thing. I don't know if there's adjustment in that, but it felt like now all of a sudden guys are sitting down and just getting open all over the place as Mahomes started tearing them apart. That's the one thing about playing zone. A couple of things I would have liked to see

seen from Philadelphia's defense. Number one, as good as their defensive line is at sacks, I would have liked to see them do more line games and make Kansas City's offensive line pass off a stunts. I would have liked to see them do more line games and make Kansas City's offensive line pass off a stunts. Those are very hard to do. And then on the back end, I would have liked to see a little bit more

man coverage, bringing blitzes off the edge and stuff like that, trying to keep Holmes in the pocket and all that type of stuff. So, again, great coaches make adjustments during the game. And, uh, we clearly saw that from Andy Reed.

Let's talk a little Hertz. He was awesome. Tremendous, tremendous. I mean, uh, like I'm buying stock, like I was buying stock in a many way because I think he's just such a high character guy. But I mean, the just such a high-character guy. But, I mean, the dude had a historic Super Bowl. Think about that. Like, he outplayed Patrick Mahomes, but he just came up on the losing end of it.

Obviously, you know, people will point to the lost fumble for a touchdown. But, I mean, the dude, you know, the dude had a historic game in the Super Bowl. So this dude just keeps getting better and better every year. People thought when he got drafted in the second round, he was going to be a backup. That was going to be his ceiling, like a backup quarterback. This dude is one of the best quarterbacks we have in our game, and a lot of that is just attributed to his football character and IQ.

I don't, you know, I brought it up and I, I, it's not even really fair because I don't know what he can see or what he can't see. You know, the AJ throw I love because I felt like that was a big advantage, you know,

between Smith and AJ Brown. I'm like, that's a big advantage. Like, I think that would have been the best unit advantage versus the other unit advantage of all the things that we could match up in the entire game. And then on the Smith play where he broke down the left sideline, I don't know why the corner would ever let Devontae Smith run behind him.

To sit here and say, oh, they should have taken more deep shots. The offense was not the issue. The offense was not the issue. And it's not fair of me to go, oh, they should have done that more because it just might not have been there. It might not have been there, and I don't know what he was looking at. Yeah, it definitely wasn't. The offense definitely wasn't an issue.

I think Nick Sirianni knew we're going to have to score a bunch of points to beat this Kansas City team because the one thing about great teams, particularly offense, they're going to have to score a bunch of points to beat this Kansas City team because the one thing about great teams, particularly on offense, they're going to find a way to crack the code. And they did. Kansas City's offense cracked the code in the second half, and the defense, Philly's defense,

was clearly out of its league in the second half, and it just became a shootout, man. And ultimately, you know, Kansas City came out on the other side with a three-point victory. But, man, like that offense and Jalen Hurts, he was phenomenal. He was phenomenal. He got out of, you know, some of the – you know, some pressures he got out of using his athletic abilities, you know,

his ability to quarterback sneak, which when the whole world knows you're quarterback sneaking and you're still able to get two and three yards is amazing. So I know it hurts losing a game, but there's no reason for Jalen Hurts to hang his head at all because that dude played a hell of a game. Yeah, I mean, the part now for Hurts, which is an amazing accomplishment this soon into his career, is that you're going,

oh, is he a guy? Because the frustrating thing is the depth of quarterback play. There's players that put up numbers. You start comparing kind of the mid-tier quarterbacks and mid-tier quarterbacks of the past, and you'd be like, oh my God,

this group looks like they'd be the best group statistically. You're always chasing, hoping that you have one of those five or six guys. And now I think it's even a real, the fact that it's even a question going into next season is a huge positive because I'm shocked that we're here after that Tennessee game

and the regular season with Hurts. I was like, you know what? This is happening. And we know he has the composure. We know he's a complete adult. I mean, he's so mature beyond what his birth date would tell you. The contract, we'll see. That's going to be interesting to see what happens with that one, knowing that he's available to go ahead and sign that extension now. he now a top five guy? But the fact that we would even wonder that because this was an incredible season from him with an organization that probably wasn't 100% sure if they

had the guy. And now at least you go into next year going, we have one. Yeah, listen, that's what all organizations want, right? All organizations want, first and foremost, do we have the guy quarterback? And we came into the season not knowing if Jalen Hurst was going to be that guy.

And I think he answered that question full-throated this season, especially in the Super Bowl. So that's just one big thing lifted off the shoulders of the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, they tend to sign their guys early. Like Carson Wentz, they signed him early. Like they got ahead of the curve. We know what's coming down the pike. You got, you know, you got Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. I would expect Philadelphia probably like, you know,

let's go ahead and get our guy signed and get them locked down before these prices start getting crazy. That push, that rugby scrum on the short yardage stuff with Jalen Hurts, that's why I'm imagining the O-line group for Phillies like, this isn't an issue. When they pushed him in on the sneak, that wasn't even close. Yeah, man.

And that can be the snap, and one side isn't ready, they get the push. But then there was the secondary push. I wonder if, I don't know, I don't know if teams are going to all of a sudden start running a rugby offense, but that seems almost unfair, how good they were at it last night. Well, I don't know how many teams are able to replicate what Philly does because not only do you have the top offensive line in the league, but then you have a quarterback that's strong as an ox.

And then you got A.J. Brown behind you, pushing you, who's also strong as an ox. So they got a lot of things going for them in that short yardage package. And it's primarily, it's like unstoppable. I mean, think about the one where Chris Jones jumped over the top, and he had Jalen Hurst dead to right, and he still surged ahead for another additional two yards. Okay, what did you think

about the penalty? I'm sure, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure you saw my tweet about it. I don't, I don't disagree with the penalty. It was a penalty. I disagreed in throwing the flag in that late stage in the game. I felt like the refs messed up a potential beautiful ending in the game.

We had this beautiful painting going on throughout the whole game, and then the refs just came in and just like violated the last touch of the painting that's the way I felt it's just like why this wasn't a heavily heavily penalized game and now you're going to interject yourself at that critical moment in the game like I'm not disputing the penalty I'm just saying sometimes just let those guys play that's my thing last thing people want to see is the refs at that junction of game

y'all sit back let these two teams duke it out we're at the end of the game you haven't been throwing a lot of flags before let them finish the game you played with been throwing a lot of flags before. Let him finish the game. You played with Brady for a while. How's the Super Bowl ring thing work for when you're on IR? Do you display that one as much as the other one?

I mean, they all work the same for me. I mean, the fact that, listen, I bust my ass the whole season. I got hurt in the playoffs. That don't make me any less of a player. I just got hurt in the wrong time. But, no, man, to be able to get to that point in the season, it takes a village. It takes everybody.

So I wear mine proudly regardless. Okay, just to call myself out, that perhaps was the most awkward way ever to tee up that you had two championships. So that's on me. I don't know why I asked. That's okay. That's okay.

Because I damn sure won't let everybody know I got two rings anyway. So don't worry. I got you. I was like, wait, you're almost asking this as if he shouldn't display it. Like he's the assistant to the traveling secretary at Daisy Buchanan's.

Walking around with his Super Bowl ring. Okay, all right. So the reason I ask that is that, you know, there's got to be something about it on the sideline and then you know playing with other guys and i'm asking you about brady who's the best who's ever done it what is that like knowing you have a superman on the sideline the same way the chief sideline knows they have that in my homes what does that do for the energy for a team that's trailing you're never out of it you are like I don't care what the situation is.

You feel like we're always in it. You actually feel like we're going to win. There's nothing like when you have that type of quarterback where you go into the game, honestly, you're going to win every game. And you're shocked if you lose. There's nothing more empowering than, you know, like, damn, we got

a dog at quarterback, and the other side doesn't. Even if the other side does have a dog. Like, there were many times when, you know, when I was in New England, we played against Peyton Manning, but we still knew we were going to beat him. Because not only do we have a dog at quarterback, but we got the better, we got a dog at the head coach, we got

a better team, and so, Manning, you just feel invincible. I can only imagine how the Chiefs players feel knowing that we got an all-time great at quarterback, and he's 27 years old. Think about that. Right now, Patrick Mahomes, you know how we always talk about there's levels?

There's levels to this as far as all-time great? Like right now, Patrick Mahomes is probably the level behind Tom Brady. He's ahead of Aaron Rodgers. You know, he's like right behind Tom Brady. So imagine Patrick Holt teammates playing with a guy like that right now. Okay, did you feel the same way in 2002 against the Rams? You know, infamously, the announcers are saying you should just take a knee here.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, man, no, but the Creighton's thing was like there was no sense of taking a knee we were like we're gonna go for the win like no it was never discussed like yeah we're gonna take a knee and just go in overtime no we're like oh we're gonna go win the game we're gonna go win the game and so we just went out there did we did brady you know threw a couple checkdowns and and then all of a sudden the one big pass to Troy Brown, and the next thing you know, we're in a field goal position, and Ben and Terry did as usual.

but the parallel of the Mahomes part of it. Mahomes has already now done it. They came back against San Francisco. Granted, the Tampa one was a mess, but there's enough games on his resume. Did you actually have that? I'm wondering, the feeling had to be a little different in 2002 as opposed to a couple years later in 2004 against Carolina. Granted, that was the game that you were hurt,

but I imagine there was more buy-in in 0-4, being like, we're still fine. This doesn't matter because we have him, because we already know about him in 0-2. I'm just wondering how different those feelings were after a guy has a couple in his back pocket. It definitely

was a different feeling. I remember the Carolina game. Think about it. Ryan, I remember, like, the Carolina game. I mean, think about it. Think of it. And, Ryan, you know this. The pass defense that year was really good. Like, you know, we were loaded, and we couldn't stop Carolina. And Tom was just going up and down the field against a really good Carolina Panthers defense,

going blow for blow with Jake DeLonge. So, yeah, it was a different field. I think Tom was in a different, I don't know, like a different area code from the 0-2-1. Like the 0-2-1, we were confident, but it wasn't the same because we never saw Tom do that in that type of situation before. Yeah, it was the number one defense scoring-wise in the NFL, less than

15 points per game. And just something weird happens. I mean, a little bit similar last night with Philadelphia, where I did feel like the level of quarterback that Philadelphia played, like this is going to be a bit of a wake-up call, especially coming off of what happened in the NFC playoffs. But it's a lot like college sometimes. I'll see people

react to these shootouts. You're like, hey, sometimes great defense is just certain nights where it turns into mayhem. And I think that's what we had last night. I don't think Philadelphia needs to start thinking about themselves differently on defense. With the Hurts contract, if that happens, there's definitely going to be some changes,

some slimming of the depth there. But I can't imagine what it would be like to be a teammate of one of these players where it's just instinctive in you. I'm hesitant to ever do any of this kind of stuff, but anybody that's ever played a sport, you just play differently when you never expect to lose. You just do. You're like, wait, I'm not losing.

What are you talking about? And Kansas City has that more than any team in the NFL. Yeah, it's evident by, I mean, think about this. They've hosted five straight AFC championship games. Right, I feel like that gets lost. Like, I think I forgot. I mean, like, do people understand how crazy that is? They've hosted five straight AFC championship games.

That's insane. So if you're a teammate of Patrick Mahomes, how could you not feel going into every game, we're going to win? Like, we got 15. We got 15 in that quarterback. Even when he's hobbled, he's better than 90% of the quarterbacks in the league. Think about that. When he's not – when he's mortal, he's still better than almost all the leagues.

So, listen, I would be cocky as hell if I was a Kansas City player. Like, bitch, y'all not going to beat us. Like, it's just not going to happen. Do you see what we got? We got like a demigod at quarterback. There's no way y'all going to beat us. How'd you feel about Rihanna? I liked it.

I liked it. You know, like for me, like I know a lot of her music. I thought it was – I thought the visuals were cool and everything. It wasn't the best halftime show that I've seen. There's no question about that. But I think like my family and I, we sat back and watched it and we knew all the songs we sang to it.

I think it was cool. The fact that, you know, we were kind of speculating like, is she pregnant? Is she doing all this? But that was another factor into it. So I thought it was all right. Well, I thought I was going to get way more.

I thought you were going to be a big Rihanna guy. I'm slightly shocked at your tepid tone here. Yeah, I mean, I'm okay. I mean, like, I'm not, like, I don't sit in my car and just, you know, just rock out to Rihanna all the time. But I thought, I think, you know, I like her as an artist. I like, you know, I like her music and stuff like that. I thought it was okay.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I didn't think it was, like, block an artist i like you know i like her music and stuff like that i thought it was okay yeah i thought it was a i didn't think it was like blockbuster or anything like that it was okay am i a host critic am i a little hard wait so you and all the woody clan the brood were singing along and you're just kind of like yeah like yeah whatever yeah yeah yeah i mean we were all singing you know my you know my my, they were all hyping into it. And I'm like, yeah, it's cool. You know, just watching them really get into it. I'm like, it's okay. Okay, maybe we get a little Woody story time from you. You win a Super Bowl.

You're at the host city. You've got everybody everywhere. Those after parties are legendary. Oh, yeah. what's your best because i'm trying to think if you were a bigger menace as a youngster in new orleans or as a guy that didn't have to play in houston oh man like i think new orleans one like the new I think New Orleans won. Like, the New Orleans one, I went way, like, I went crazy, like, way hard that one. Like, I went hard in the Houston one, too,

but it's a different feeling, man, when you play in it. Man, I was, when I say I was in the streets, man, I was out there in the streets, buddy. Okay, so give us a little timeline of events. Like, how late were you at the stadium after the win in New Orleans? Oh, man, I was there, man, like an hour, hour after the game. Just smoking on the cigars, chilling.

You know, the wifey, she was pregnant. Like, all my family was there we hanging out chilling and stuff like that and then we get back to the hotel i think you know man we like snooping everybody was there man it was man it was so crazy man like wu-tang was was up in there it was like it was bro it crazy. And I was drunk off my ass. And then we, you know, going out and partaking in the gentlemen's clubs. And we were doing a little bit of everything, bro. It was, man, it was, I think I didn't go to sleep that night, to be honest with you.

I did not go to sleep at all. It was, we were pulling the all-nighter. I didn't go to sleep that night, to be honest with you. I did not go to sleep at all. We were pulling the whole night up. At that point, too, I imagine because the wife is pregnant, she's got to peel off, right? The family's peeling off. Oh, yeah. Everybody's peeling off.

And then the fellas is like, man, the night is young, baby. Let's go get it in. Everywhere we went, man, it was a party. And Tom could still go out back then, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like now, like Tom at this level now. But, yeah, back then, man, he was hanging tough like everybody else.

So it was, man, bro was, bro, it was, I can't even put all this stuff out there, man. It was great. Yeah. I wasn't trying to, I don't want you telling me. I just,

uh, you know, whatever. Let's just say we had a, we had a, we had a really good time. Really. Well, this is a great time all season with you,

man. Always puts a smile on all of our faces. Thanks for all the hard work and, uh, get a little time all season with you, man. Always puts a smile on all of our faces. Thanks for all the hard work and get a little rest, all right? Oh, man. I appreciate you having me on, man. This is good talking to you. Okay, before we get to life advice and a little Arizona recap here, we're going to give a shout-out to Saruti,

the first-ever Rosillo podcast season winner. I want to just pick it right up and start another contest here, but Saruti won. Kyle, raging, came in second, and I ended up, I had a bad year, came in last. So I guess I have to do something

either for Saruti, but my guess is we'll probably just do something for you too that I'm going to have to pay for, which I was probably going to have to pay for anyway in Salt Lake this weekend. What are we doing? What do you want, Kyle? It's not me, man. It's not me.

You can't leave that up to me. I feel like I cheated. You'd like to let the kid win in this first game of Madden or something, beat him by 100 points, and you're like, oh yeah, what do you want to do? I don't like that i don't like it at all i think you i can't believe that you you hit that many props but i guess with props it's like you could just pick ones that are probably going to happen but i don't know you did stuff that was like i

mean i wasn't going to say anything about this but you were eight and seven i don't know i mean okay first off let's not the insinuation that i just picked like minus 200 props is wrong right there was a there were a bunch of plus money props in there my rihanna prop was wrong that the tails Okay, first off, the insinuation that I just picked minus 200 props is wrong. Right, that's not true. There were a bunch of plus money props in there. My Rihanna prop was wrong. The tails call was a straight 50-50. I had a couple of any time touchdown guys in there that were plus money. At first, I was like, hey, I actually kind of feel bad.

Now I don't feel bad. Now I'm going to take the win because Kyle's out here going to undermine my victory. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. That's not even what he was doing. Kyle has a bigger issue with you not being around, which I think is actually less worse

than picking layup props. Again, not layup props. Not layup props. Hey, look, I lost. I'm happy to take the guys out. I had a shitty year. I usually always get back to 500, and I didn't. So I'm happy to do this. And I don't know that we've

ever done anything. The three of us together. Yeah, that's correct. Cause the one time I was out in, in, uh, in LA, me and Kyle got dinner with Craig. What's up, Craig. And, uh, I think I hit you up. You weren't even, I don't think you were in LA that weekend. You just left town and you knew I was coming in. You just left town and you were like, Oh, actually I'm not going to be here. I was like, all right, cool, man. I'm just first time in two years. I'm coming out. Like, you know, maybe see the new place. Nope. I'm not going to be here out of like all right cool man i'm just first time in two years i'm coming out like you know maybe see the new place nope i'm not gonna be here all right get out of the way right now you're making it sound like oh you're i booked a ticket after you larry david new york tripped him yeah like actually i'm gonna be in new york for three months i i am

joking i don't actually get annoyed about this ryan i just i don't i don't hold ryan accountable for really anything i'm just like hey man he lives his life and like if he's around we'll hang out if not it's not a big deal like i don't get worked up about stuff anything. I'm just like, hey, man, he lives his life. If he's around, we'll hang out. If not, it's not a big deal. Like, I don't get worked up about stuff like that. But we are all going to be in Salt Lake for the first time at the end of this week. And, yeah, what are we doing? Although you're not even staying in Salt Lake. So we got to come find you, apparently.

Okay, here's the thing. You two huddle. Whatever you want to do, we'll do it. All right? Whatever. I mean, you know, we're do it. All right. Whatever. I mean, you know, we're not going to go shopping for Rolexes,

but just whatever you guys want to do, we'll do it. And I think what we should do is, is have you guys come to park city for one of the nights and I'll just, you know, it's, it's on scholarship for an entire night. Whoa.

All right, let's go. Oh yeah. I know park city. Well, it's going to be a great time, Steve. Oh, I got, I'll leave it up to you kyle i i trust kyle i mean listen just find like the diviest bar we could possibly find hang out i don't know do our thing yeah kyle's mr they call him the sun

dance kid i i can't wait i really can't wait and i looked it up honestly the some of those weird utah laws they're not actually they either either don't exist or they never existed. Or they never existed. Wait, what are we talking about? People land in Utah and think it's just going to be like a foreign country. Everybody's just doing calisthenics and drinking fucking milk. And it's like, it isn't. People are very healthy.

Okay. I'll give them that. People are very healthy. Okay. I'll give them that. There's this completely like misguided idea of what Salt Lake and part line. Granted, I haven't spent a ton of time.

Look, I've been up to Provo a couple of times. I remember there was a stop in Orem once, I think. So, you know, I'm not, I can't speak.

Maybe we should have Jimmer. I think he's in Colorado, isn't he? Bummer. Well, I was there and I was there for sundance and i was standing up drinking a beer and somebody who was a local like tapped me on the shoulder and was like hey just so you know you can't be standing and drinking like somebody's gonna get you for that and i just i just closed my tab and left i was like i don't know what that's about and i just i felt so strange i was like i was like i started like man is jay

walking allowed i mean am i gonna be in jail for jaywalking? Like what's going to happen? But I looked it up. I cannot find a trace of that law. I think I found somebody else who said it online in like a Reddit thing, but that's, there's no law that you can't stand a drink, but that just freaked me out. And then I was like, wait a second. Do I actually know where I am?

Am I going to be okay here? But it seems like, I think that was all overblown. Should we ski? Should we, should we really get adventurous? I'm already skiing. I'm staying a couple of days. I'm staying a couple days. I think Monday. After.

I just took that whole week off. Of course not. That's alright. I'm skiing with frolic dudes. You wouldn't want to mesh groups like that. I don't think you're super into that anyway. They were aggressive in Denver. I was scared of those guys. One guy kicked himself out of i'm not one guy kicked himself out of the show one guy kicked himself out of the show didn't one guy go missing for 24 hours

yeah that was the same guy in denver wow yeah a guy went missing in kyle's crew literally missing were you guys nervous or was it just like i don't know they were me they weren't yeah nobody no i was like are we sure is everything okay and? And they're like, yeah, he's fine. He's older than all of us. He should be fine. Last time they saw him was on a scooter or something, one of those electric scooters. And they're like, I don't know. He was supposed to be wherever we're going, but

I don't know. He must have had something better to do. So wait, the Frolic Room crew is driving to Utah now for this? One guy's driving. A couple other guys are flying. And so, yeah, I'm going to get my hotels for as long as the ringer will pay for it,

which is just until after the show. And then I'm going to jump into Airbnb with those guys for a couple days. And then I'll just come back. Kyle on the road. This is amazing.

I didn't know this was going to continue to be a thing. Yeah, but Utah's great. You two huddle on what we should figure out or whatever. I would say it shouldn't. Well, wait.

How many nights are you there, Cerruti? I get in Thursday night and I leave Sunday. So, seems like Friday night's the night. Yeah, but the show's Saturday and it's early. Well, it's not that early. It's not too local. All right. I think we'll be all right.

Can't do it Saturday. I mean, I guess we could do it Saturday night, but all-star stuff is Saturday night are you going to any of it? I mean I'd like to, are you going? to the dunk contest? in person? I like the dunk contest

Aaron Gordon got robbed wait am I expected to go to this with a credential? because I don't think I did that or did you guys do that for me? they asked me if they were like, they kind of were like, hey, there's only so many. Like, do you want to go?

And I was like, no, I'll surrender to somebody that really is about it. You guys are both out then. Maybe I got to rethink this. All right, maybe Saturday night's the night. Maybe they could use your credential. Give it up, dude. Just sell it? No, I'm serious.

I want you to go. Do you have? I have a credential for Saturday night, yes. Do I? I mean, I'm sure I want you to go do you have do you have I have a I have a credential for Saturday night yes do I I mean I'm sure you do yeah I don't know why we wouldn't put one in for you but yeah I actually I did know Kyle didn't get one but honestly it doesn't really seem like hey I didn't want one I gave it up they said I had it and I was a nice guy wait Kyle are your frolic room guys there are your frolic room guys there Saturday? Yeah, one guy is so delusional he thinks he's going to go to the game,

but we're like, dude, he's like looking at tickets. The game's Sunday. Well, he thinks he's going to go Sunday. He thinks he's going to go Sunday, yeah. I definitely don't want to go to the game. No, Saturday night's better anyway. Alright, well, maybe Cerruti and I will go Saturday because we're going to be at Salt Lake already, and then it'll be over early enough. I don't know. There's also a Ringer show that we got to

crash that night, too. Ringer NBA. KOC's going to be there early enough. I don't know. There's also a Ringer show that we got to crash that night, too. Ringer NBA. KOC is going to be there. Logan. Who else? Syria, I think. A bunch of people. We're just doing this out loud planning, which I think the audience, the listeners right now are like, hey, can you guys do more of this?

Tell us what's up. What else? I want to recap a couple Arizona things. I mentioned in the open this I counted it I was like oh I've been to 13 Super Bowl weeks some much better than others I'll tell you Arizona is usually near the top of the list especially like eight years ago that's one of the best we ended up the EA party one of the best nights ever had really good group small party and you just have like 10 or 12 of your buddies.

You're like this. These are the nights. These are why we keep taking those swings. This is why everybody tries to organize the Uber and Lyft going. Do you have, well, how many, oh,

I'm a plus two or six of us. Well, we'll talk to somebody. I'll text the guy and we'll stand outside for fucking ever. And then we'll get in. And then when we actually do get in, we'll be like, oh,

this sucks. And then we'll go to something else. So I've done it all. I've done it all. I think think the last time because this week we didn't do any of the big stuff and there's just way less i i don't think espn even has a party anymore uh i doubt i'd ask for an invite um ea i don't think has a party maybe they have like a smaller thing or something like that. Legends actually had a sick setup on Friday and Saturday. I mean, that shit up from Saturday. I'm jealous. I didn't get to go.

But I remember, I think the last move, the last move ever was Miami, where it was me, Van Pelt. It was a couple other buddies. I think Stanford, yeah, Stanford City was with us. And we went to the barstool party and it was all the way away from where we were staying. Massive rainstorm. Barstool had set aside a table for us

for rough and rowdy. Ben Pelt and I walk in and the table that is supposed to be there is just mobbed with 20-something-year-old dudes just vaping and pounding Pink Whitney.

And we're like, well, I guess we're not sitting there. And then we just looked around like, what the fuck are we doing? Not only are we old, like this is mayhem. And we just left. And we went back to the hotel bar at the Delano and had like the best time ever. So like that was kind of the first time we were like, whenever we do this in the future,

we need to just find the group and then do the thing with the group. Let it come. We'll figure out the rest of it later don't chase going to chase and go to these big part like in the beginning man it is cool and you're trying to get in all of them i remember one time fucking caa they were like you're invited to the party but not as a plus one so you're gonna have to tell your girlfriend a way to like sneak in i was like is that normal is that normal and they're like well she'll get. I was like, is that normal? Is that normal? And they're like, well, she'll get in. I was like, yeah, but that means I can't go in with her. And they're like, no, you have to get

there. And so they're like, you have to get there at eight 30 to even get in. Cause you don't have like a normal invite. I'm like, am I setting up the apps like eight 30? And so, and then I'm telling the girlfriend, like, you're going to go later. She's like, this doesn't make any fucking sense. So I had to go in at like 830. I'm there with the help. And then she's across the street having a drink by herself because there was like a staggered time of when she was going to be able to get in. I'm sure she wasn't getting hit on South Beach. And so I was like, are you guys trying to get us broken up tonight?

So whatever. You're looking for a backdoor. Yeah. There's so many stories where you're just like, okay. But when you're younger and then there's those nights there'll be that one night where you're like that was so great i want to try to do that again but um went to comedy show and ran into nate bargazzi bats backstage oh wow yep it was with big any new material or no it didn't but big cat was there making sure it was extra awkward so we're in the back we're saying

hi to everybody um and look i know shane gillis was let go of snl for stuff in the past his stand up 17 straight minutes i didn't stop laughing that guy is unbelievable how good he was on that show like he came out and just threw fastballs the entire time and i was like holy shit uh so i really enjoyed him and then we get backstage and i hey nate how's it going yeah oh yeah hey what's up what's up and then we kind of talked we laughed or whatever i said well hey it went way worse with jeff garland and then he laughed and then it just was over and then big cat was like hey have you guys met and i was like yeah yeah it just was over. And then Big Cat was like, hey, have you guys met? And I was like, yeah, yeah, we just talked.

He's like, remember that time you were pitching him jokes? How awkward was that? And then we had to address it all over again. But Nate was really nice. I said, hey, you need anything or whatever. But he actually didn't perform. Burt Kreischer was the headliner. And boy, does he go peak energy the entire time.

So it was great. So thanks to all those guys for bringing us out. And then the PGA Tour hooked us up for Waste Management on 16 for Friday. And I'm just telling you, if you want to be absolutely sideways in the middle of the day and not have people look at you, do it at Waste Management because you'll fit right in. That is a fucking free-for-all. It's the second time I've gone, but it still blows my mind how I just, I mean, credit to those people

that can pull that off for an entire day. It is an absolute party in the most odd setting of a golf tournament, but that's what they do. And it should be a bucket list event for dudes. It is worth going. And I imagine the Super Bowl combination of it all makes it even more absurd than it normally is. I was actually at the hole when the streaker came out,

like I was there in my seat, like as it all happened, but Arizona is an awesome city for setting up that kind of stuff and somehow pulling off both of those events at the same time and then getting Durant on Thursday too. So, uh, Phoenix arrow up after last week.

Yeah. Yeah. The waste management thing, is it like the NASCAR race of golf tournaments? I don't understand. People just get hammered and heckle people during the tournament? I don't get it. Every year, everyone's like, it's awesome, it's incredible. I've heard you say it, Chris Long, whatever. You're just allowed to be insane?

The golfers just know that? Yeah. One guy from our group actually went, that's like the golfers just know that. Yeah. One guy, one guy from our group actually went missing much like the frolic group guy. It wasn't, it wasn't 24 hours, but he was gone for a couple. And guys were like,

what happened to him? And we're like, I don't know. And then he came back a couple hours later with a bunch of hats. So people who loves merch, we love merch. Yeah. Yeah.

So there you go just just just talking it all out here you guys want to do life advice now yeah let's do it you want details bye i drive a ferrari 355 cabriolet what's up i have a ridiculous house in the south fork i have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids i am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required the med student hit us back up oh yeah and he's yeah the work-life balance guy yeah and he was like i fucking hate you guys just kidding no he loved it he said you're right he even admitted that he had he'd gone abroad for an entire year and then got like a bad off-campus deal i thought so rudy's point was was the best point it was like you're telling us all these things that you're doing and on top of it you

had a girlfriend from home and he said in the follow i'm just sharing this because we got a ton of follow-ups where everybody was going, just Matt Damon, you're going to be okay here. It's not your fault. A lot of emails worried about this guy, but telling him he's kicking ass. Like it was all positive. Although one guy tried to diagnose him with something, which I think we were just going to move on from. Yeah. Because it seemed a little aggressive. Like, hey, that's that 10 minute email you guys talked about here's my diagnosis uh but the the med school student or pre-med he's

pre-med i guess is what you would say he's he was he was cool he was like you know what i don't do a good enough job with some of these other things and i'll try to put a little more priority into it in the spring semester or whatever but yeah it's through you got a girlfriend on top of everything else you're just going to be eventually you're not going to be a priority ask when you're just not around and he said that even his roommates so i look i just think saving lives one at a time here wanted to follow up on that that's a good follow-up okay um lying about playing major high major college hoops. I love these. More than you think out there. I know.

I fucking love these. The fiance one was the best. Yeah. It's like, what do you do? Save it. Save it for the right. 10 years later, they're getting divorced. You never played.

All right. 41 years old, 6'1", 220. I've been proud of my workout routine since October. I'm doing strength training and cardio. I've lost about 15 pounds in that span. It would be more, but my wife likes to bake over the holidays, and I have little self-control. Still trying to lock down the diet piece,

but I feel strong and have good cardio health. I retired from pickup ball, but in my prime, I was like a 6'1", Taylor Coppenrath. Shout out. People underestimated, but I filled up the I was like a 6'1 Taylor Coppenrath. Shout out. People underestimated, but I filled up the box score. Just don't rely on me for defense. Were you a good post player? Because Taylor was a very good post player.

6'1. You're going to be special to be a good post player. I recently went to an NBA game while traveling for work. I struck up a conversation with a guy and his girlfriend. We were having a nice time. At one point, we talked about our encore pet peeves, and I asked him if he played basketball anywhere. He told me he played at Texas A&M. I told him I'm a huge college basketball fan and I asked him when he played. I figured I'd heard of him. He then clarified that he played at Texas A&M Corpus Christi

sometime in the past 20 years or so. It was somewhat awkward because I'd never heard of him, but I just said, that's awesome. We continued watching the game and chatting here and there. He and his girlfriend were both super nice. I looked him up during a timeout and he was a good player. I know how good you must be compared to the average rec player to excel even at a low D1 school. I don't think there's any shame at all in playing at that level, especially when you're pretty good. I felt though he purposely left out the Corpus Christi part and maybe wanted me to believe he played in the SEC or the Big 12. Good clarification of the conference. I did feel a little bad for

asking a follow-up question when he probably just wanted to say he played at A&M and move on from the conversation. I don't mind if he wanted me to believe he was at the bigger A&M, but that leads to a couple of questions. One, should I have just let it be and not followed up with asking him when he played? I have to admit that part of me was wondering if he actually did play at Texas A&M before I asked the follow-up.

It wasn't a gotcha question, though. I was genuinely having a nice time and was curious. Number two, is it just part of the social contract that athletes get to embellish aspects of their career? It's like being on The Bachelor when a contestant says they played in the NFL, but then you find out that we're only... Who are you talking to here, dude? That's my fucking thesis. When we find out the guy's only a rookie minicamp, although still impressive. Okay, thanks.

Welcome back, Cerruti. Okay, well, you guys are both, you were talking to each other, probably at a higher level of basketball, for you to acknowledge what he was pointing out and maybe you were having a good time. Like you said, you were agreeing on everything. So for you to then ask him if he out and maybe you were having a good time. Like you said, you were agreeing on everything. So for you to then ask him if he played somewhere is a very normal question.

And for him to say Texas A&M, and if you're super into it, what he didn't realize is he was getting fucking bracket, seven bracket guy, and going, oh, which year? Which, if you're really into college hoops and you know your shit, like if you were sitting next to Stanford Steve, you said yeah i

played it you know i played at clemson and then he he's asking you which years you played there because he wants to know who you played with again if he doesn't recognize you like think if you played somewhere but barely ever played okay well when did you play there even if you weren't that good there you still made it to d1 like which teammates did you have? I want to ask about Melvin Leavitt if you went to Cincinnati. You know what I mean? What's going on? What else do you have? That's a very fair and totally reasonable follow-up.

But yeah, the guy definitely left out the Corpus Christi because it doesn't sound as fucking cool. Even if he scored 20 a game, which is again a massive accomplishment. You know how good you have to be as you point out to score like buckets even in a smaller D1 school. You can be really fucking good, man. So

I don't really blame anybody for this. This isn't the all-time gotcha. This ended up not being what I was hoping it was going to be where you catch this person in a massive lie and you're trying to figure out. I would just let the whole thing go. Like, yeah, I think there is a bit of a social contract. Again, the minor league baseball pitchers, you guys are fucking out of control. Liars. Not all of you. Most of you. Former major

league pitcher. Really? Where? Birmingham? You know, like there's a different level. So if you say, hey, I'm a major league pitcher and I go, where did you pitch? And you tell me Reno, it's going to be met with disappointment. Even though you were paid and we can get the semantics of it all. So this one isn't even as close to as bad as that. He said A&M. You were more into it. He didn't read you right.

He probably should have said it immediately. There's way worse lies, including every dude that goes on The Bachelor that barely played. But I don't think it was a gut check. i think everybody's fine with this one even though you might have been disappointed but i kind of get where the other guy was coming from he should have read it a little bit differently but i don't think this is like nefarious yeah i don't think so i think we all take these sort of risks all the time like where it'd be okay if nobody questions you and if they do question you you took the risk but it's not like it's not the end of the world you're not like some fucking liar like yeah you know i

had a 3.5 gpa well i had a 3.5 in my major actually you know i wasn't a latino fraternity used to be no i was actually in an expansion group of a latino fraternity and then i decided to quit once i sort of read what the thesis was all about you know so it was like what was it all about it wasn't great for like dudes like me i don know. It just didn't seem like it just seemed a little adversarial. Um, yeah, sort of like that. So, uh, I, it's just like, if, if a dude was like, Oh, which Latino fraternity I'd have to be like, ah, shit. All right. So actually what happened was, or if it was like, Oh, what classes did you take? Or what's your major at Potsdam? You know, whatever. I'd be like, Oh, well actually I got a three, five in my major, you know, biology was a little tough and didn't do so well in philosophy, but it's like, oh, what classes did you take? Or what's your major at Potsdam? You know, whatever. I'd be like, well, actually, I got a 3.5 in my major.

You know, biology was a little tough and didn't do so well in philosophy. But it's like, those are like the risks you take where it's like, if this just conversation just keeps moving, then that's fine. Good, good, good risk, low reward, but whatever. You did it. Can I zag for a second? If you, who I don't know, tells me I was in a latino fraternity i'm not going to interrogate you that's what i'm saying that's actually a pretty good risk but if it's like a dude who's like oh

which chapter or like which you know you know if it's a guy i would just be like lifts up his shirt and he's like look at this tattoo from mine and it's like ah shit and like now i have to do that and so it's not one of those things i pull out all the time but it's just a risk that you take that you know you know what i mean how the fuck are you funny again on this one how are you we have to do a full-blown kyle resume segment just to summarize it all no for like new listeners we have to go through everything that we've learned about you and just make sure there's like a one package segment so people understand the access that we have. Like an index they can go to.

Yeah, right. Well, that's the other thing, like, Ron, you were saying like when you were in, oh, at the Super Bowl, I've done everything. Like Kyle, it feels like Kyle's done everything in life. Like what is like the checklist of things that you have not done? You're, you know, you check off all the school boxes.

You've been in like multiple fraternities. You've slept in someone's car. You're friends with all these, like, it's just insane your your your Rolodex and catalog is as impressive as anyone I've ever met and you're just casual about it well we're just gonna keep making memories man that's all I'll back the email though really quick I actually don't have an issue with anyone in this situation right and to to kind of further expand on kyle's point don't they always tell you like when you're when you're writing up like a professional resume i mean what do you do you embellish everything you do if you were you know a board op and a radio station you were actually

like the lead person on content and the producer and the producer was you were like the number two guy it's like it's like dwight shrew like the assistant regional manager the assistant to the regional manager it's the same thing yeah and so I don't know. The guy was just, hey, I play at Texas A&M. The other thing that kind of crossed my mind was like, maybe he was just like, I don't know how big of a sports fan you are. I'll just say Texas A&M

because most people have heard of Texas A&M. And if you say Texas A&M, of course, Chris to me, it's like this more complicated thing. I actually think it could be an innocent thing on his part too. And he actually owned up to it immediately. So why would I ever have a problem with him?

He owned up to it. He didn't lie to you, really. So I just, I don't know. I think you're kind of overthinking this one it's not that big of a deal it sounds like you really want to be friends with this guy and it feels like you kind of like thought you crossed him a little bit and he might not like you because of that follow-up i don't think that's the case at all and you're not going to see him again which is cool so that's yeah i don't know that they were going to be buddies about the whole thing uh it very well could have been he just says a and m because he leaves up to Corpus Christi, but he probably did it

because it sounds way cooler to say A&M than A&M Corpus Christi. But he ran into a dude that was super intense about it, so he should have read it a little bit better. But to Suri's point,

like, I think there is a slight difference between, you know, executed and organized over 12,000 pieces of content. And we were like, 12,000 what pieces? Like hours, you know, segments. And we were like, 12,000 what pieces? Like hours.

You know. Segments. Yeah. Shit like that is annoying but understood. But yeah, I think you're right. You know, I think there's a general. It's the same thing in life. Yeah, people just.

But you want to lose that though. You know, as you get older, you don't want to be that guy who's still like, wait a minute, what did you do? That's awkward when it's your boys. Maybe you can't do it with your boys because they already know your resume. But you don't want to be getting older in life, telling people, constantly rounding up on everything you've done. You're probably never going to get caught, though. That's the thing. It usually gets better as you get older. So then what never gonna get caught though that's the thing you know it

usually gets better so then what's the point so what's the point a stranger who you'll never interact with again leaves a game going man i sat next to a guy that played it ain't it it gets better as you get older though right i mean in middle school guys used to lie about girlfriends that lives in different schools and stuff like that's a that's a deep shit lie it's like oh she doesn't go here but you know i see her every thursday or i see every sunday or something and it's like that's like as you as you get older you lie about less shit i think yeah and i don't i think it's i don't mean it like none of these are like real lies they're just stupid ones yeah but if you meet if you met somebody who like oh hey this guy worked on this

or he did this and then you meet him and you're like, what were you like? Fucking runner. Like, but it's like it's like to like if you're on, you know, whatever dating app and you're a dude and everyone loves a six six foot guy and you're five, ten, five, eleven. You put six foot like is it and you get the date. It's kind of worth it, right? You kind of round up people. I don't have an issue with that. I mean, I think these are different, though.

These are different. They're all different. No, these are different. Because like, look, when I had my first tryout at ESPN, I think I rounded my age up to 30 because it sounded better than 29 because they used to never let,

they never wanted anyone young to be on national radio. They just didn't. Young people weren't on national radio. And they were like, have you ever been solo? And I was like, all the time. I've been solo zero

fucking times. I wasn't going to say no. Actually, I haven't. Let me know if you have a two-man thing. I'll be more comfortable with that. I didn't care what they asked me. If I spoke fucking Russian, I was going to say yes for that tryout. Didn't matter. I think that's different, though, than if I were out with a bunch

of like what if I meet? Well, maybe maybe i'm a bad example but like okay what if i was with there's been a few times you know out socially with pro athletes if somebody asked me if i played what if i said yeah would you guys be like what a fucking loser well that's a massive lie though yeah that's fully that's not that's not like a board that's not like a borderline lie that's you just you didn't you're not you know it's not like you're saying hey i played d3 or something you're like yeah i'm a professional athlete like that's just not i don't know i don't think that's fair yeah clearly that's in another group than than what this is i i just think there's certain things as an adult and you're right kyle like it's this

this this younger kid's telling you there's a fucking alien who lives in his garage. And then you just line about a girlfriend and then you're lying about which school you get into. And then you get to school and you lie about your high school resume. And then once you graduate and you're like, oh, I'm, you know, chief content guy. Like, no, you're not like, oh, I was, yeah, I was a big, that merger, that LBO. Yeah.

It was, I was, I was kind of, it was on one of those emails. Yeah. And it's like, were you, you know, eventually kind of want to lose that, that part of your game. Just confusing the two Texas schools or whatever. That's, it's been a long road for this guy and I think he's doing well. Okay. All right.

Let's get one more. Speaking of basketball and protocol, 6'1", 185. I coach high school basketball, and this weekend we had a road game. The other team had two high school kids working the clock and doing the book for them who were just obnoxious. All game, they were trash-talking my team as they checked in. Anytime we missed a shot, they said, that kid sucks. as they checked in. Anytime we missed a shot, they said, that kid sucks. Even though we were winning from pretty much the first play of the game, that didn't stop them from saying shit to my guys all game. So my question is, is it okay to bully high schoolers as an adult? At one point, the ball hit

the top of the backboard after a missed shot, which they yelled, that's out of bounds to the ref. I mumbled to my bookkeeper, it can hit the top as long as it doesn't go over, then it's still in play. This drew the two kids' attention to me saying, quote, yeah, bro, we're just trying to add some banter to this game. These guys are awesome. What are you talking about? Then they added me to their trash-talking circle,

telling me to call better plays when we didn't score and commenting on my clothes. Considering I'm 34 and these two were two 17-year-olds, we're getting right there to that age, I bit my tongue and ignored them. But would it have been too much to ask them if they were two Make-A-Wish kids who couldn't make the team? They were two make-a-wish kids who couldn't make the team. I don't know. I think make-a-wish jokes are generally frowned upon out loud, especially by a person, an adult with a position of authority. But I get kind of, you know, they're not playing and they're talking shit to everybody.

They couldn't make the team. Might have made it. Corpus Christi, who knows? All right. Anyway. anyway because they the thought did cross my mind a few games a few times during the game okay or did i do the right thing and realizing there's very few stories that end up with a grown man getting in an argument high school kids where the adult comes off looking like the hero and

walking away i did consider the advice you gave the guy whose wife was rats to the pool to just keep hitting the kids with a pool noodle uh but unfortunately there wasn't any in the gym that's right i forgot about that just like hey sorry oh my god i just hit you in the head again with a pool noodle that's that was good advice um i thought it was too you're right this sucks these kids suck i i feel you i would have had a hard time with it but yeah you're you're always going to lose as the adult unless you had like one perfectly cooled zinger just lined up after you win the game right and then you just say something like uh you know like well i don't want to i don't want to send there's like a million going through my head.

I'm trying to figure out which is the one that's not going to have one group being like, why would you say that or whatever? It has strictly to do with like which college you were getting into. So I'm not going to do that. I don't know. Maybe you just say something like your parents come to pick you guys up or you need to ride home or something,

you know, and then just be fucking devastated that you wouldn't think they had driver's license, that they weren't a certain age or whatever or be like you just something like hey what's your handle i'd love to keep in touch with you guys and just like stone face them he's like what because if you do say something to kids as an adult well i don't know maybe times are different now i would have thought there'd be a time where you're like shit an adult addressed this and now he's aware of our existence maybe i'll chill the fuck out sounds like those aren't the rules anymore these

guys didn't give a fuck they started heckling you after you addressed it you did the right thing you did the hard thing but you did the right thing but if there was one thing that you could have done something that could not have then been come back on you as an adult with a coaching position because you know when you see the adults lose their shit on kids it's a fucking loser it just it never looks cool like i remember again we didn't you know we had lacrosse games in college where we'd sit we'd make fun of everybody um you know it was all i was just trying to show off and hopefully land the joke perfectly so a girl would like us later that day but uh that when the other coach would like lose his shit on a team and look this isn't even about those like i've seen high school stuff where when

the coach is really mad he just never looks good even if he's right like he never looks good when he's losing it he's yelling at the scorer's table there's some kid back there and then there's a short clip of it and all of a sudden it's like so and so from this town loses it in high school and then you just look like the asshole so you did the right thing it didn't feel good the only thing I could think of is something that was like a non offensive yet sort of stingy zinger looking

at the kids not getting emotional not being angry just stone face delivery of it all but in the moment very few of us ever actually really pull that off to perfection you're in the car thinking about it later that's why comedians are as good as they are at this stuff so i don't have really there's no ruling on this one it's just something you always want to avoid even in this case they definitely deserved it i think you did the right thing because while a it feels like

almost a public service to like trying to stop these menaces. It does feel like, like, God, the world needs this. This gym needs this, but it's just so hard. And it's so hard to say something that like the, the, the, whatever the 17 year old of this generation, whatever it's going to be, whenever this happens to you, it's so hard to get something that's perfect that a, well, like it might even be good and it might just go over their head. And then it doesn't even seem like you zing them. You know what I mean? It could just be like, it's just, it's just hard to, it's, it's so hard to nail that to that demographic. Like, you know, it's all, I think it's hard. It's hard for them to watch like 17 year old kids to watch. Well, not all of them,

but to watch like, you know, good, awesome comedy shows. I feel like they'd be like, I don't even get it sometimes. Like it, it, it's just hard when you put yourself out there because now you're a target. You're like, it's, it's going to be, you're going to even get it sometimes. Like it, it, it's just hard when you put yourself out there because now you're a target. You're like, it's, it's going to be, you're going to look uncool if you lose it. They may not get what you're saying. You have to like, think of it now. There's all this pressure. Cause you're like, I'm not the only ones that noticing these two, you know, kids being assholes,

you know, who are in the fuck around and find out sort of age range, but not really. And it's like, and it's just like, it's so it so it's and they're like they're at the nastiest age they could be really uh without being like drunk just like pure sober asshole ishness like that's the age of where it's at its peak and it's just like it's all is that all crumbled up in a ball to then you trying to pull out the best nice way to pull this off and then they might even just not get it be like well that was stupid and now you're a target too so i think you did what like 90 of people would do i think you got to be almost like a superhero or a comedian to really pull that situation off in the best way especially when you got shit on the line like your job or you know a part of your job so i think you did the right thing i

think most people would do it but you know i don't blame you for really thinking it out i think everybody thinks it out but we just don't a lot of us don't actually pull the trigger on that it really sucks because they're in the last year of their kind of free pass in life where you kind of don't have consequences when you're 17 years old especially when you're talking to adult guys especially at a pickup hoops game i mean as somebody who you know this shouldn't be terribly surprising given the things i told you about my past i would get a little mouthy at the y to some older guys now the only and i look back at it now i'm like i was such a tool now but i took i took the game so seriously like i just i took i took pickup hoops really seriously when i was 17 18 years old um but the thing is like so this guy

said he was 34 right is that how yes yes so i'm I don't feel. Yeah, I think the other guy. Yeah, I'm 34. I'm 34. I don't feel old at all. So those guys when they're 17, I mean, it's double their age. But for me, like I look, I still look at high school kids. I mean, it is. I mean, I kind of feel older now, especially now that I'm a dad. What's up? Shout out to being a parent. I feel a little older now, but I still don't feel that old. I don't feel like I'm that much older than these guys. I would probably still kind of get suckered into talking some smack to them, especially if it was really egregious. I think I have a good solution, though, for what you could say, and it's a simple word. My buddy used to do this in high school and college all the time. It pissed a lot of people off at Quinnipiac because it's like a really sensitive thing

for dudes of that age. Just call him a virgin. Just be like, shut up, virgin. And that, like call him a virgin. Just be like, shut up, virgin. And that kind of... It's sensitive enough where it's an insult, but you're not crossing a line. You call a 17-year-old kid a virgin,

he's going to be pretty pissed off. In the confines of the gym of the public high school that you're visiting. I don't know. Headline, high school coach calls two underage kids virgin during basketball game. Well, I'm not, yeah.

Secures win. I love it like in a parking lot, but this is different. This is a person that has some sort of representation of a high school. So you can't do that. You know, one of my favorite things one of my roommates used to do,

it still works. It's unbelievable, is is the what so somebody says something to you and just go what and he's like no he's what i like it's massive no you guys your clothes suck what like you guys don't make any shots what what what what and you just fucking what him and then when they realize that you were in control the whole time it's the it works all the time because it's like the seven number the better the guy will go like oh this guy was fucking with me the whole time he heard everything i said now i don't know if that happened the other problem that i have here for risk is that you're on the road and who knows there could be a parent around or a best friend

parent of whatever you call the kids virgins they start going at you or something like that right so you go now now you can't help there's a little energy i don't know that i've seen a ton of parents say i am going to side with the stranger adult who's arguing with my kid i'm gonna take his side and so i look i remember there's a junior high game against kramer dudes had facial hair i did not and you know it was a tough game because these kids are so much more i don't they're fucking old dude i don't care what the birth date said and we're hanging in there and there was some scuffle and the opposing coach put his hands on uh probably our toughest player easily the toughest player craig tilden he was like just

tougher than all of us and his dad ran right out of the stands and fucking grabbed the other coach by the throat i mean it was instant and he's like you don't put your hands on my fucking kid and like i think the other coach was just trying to like you know we had like a it was a really again like who cares nobody's ever gonna remember any of this stuff i'll never forget it because i was standing on the court and i just remember being like oh that's what happens when like dad strength kicks in and loses it and the dad was right you know you can't put your hands on another kid we were young kids but the opposing coach was like, thought he was protecting

his guys, but you can't do that. Then the guy comes running right out of the stands. So you never know. You never know. You're on the road here. You don't know who those kids are or who's in the stands or any of that kind of stuff. So you were absolutely right. Hopefully you got the W. You said you had to lead the whole time for the jump. I'm assuming you did.

We buried the lead here, too. I mean, the solution to this is just get buckets. Just shut everybody up by just being awesome. But you also don't, as a coach, want to be sitting there talking with 17-year-olds who are giving you shit for two hours. I don't know how long a high school game takes now, but do they have reviews? I don't think so. Probably not. Not the public ones, I don't think.

I guess I'm surprised. There's probably somebody who wants them. Okay. I think that's a big the public ones I don't think there's probably somebody who wants them okay I think that's a big show there I think we're done yeah you already feel good

I feel like I just can't believe I thought he was gonna pull out the old reliable like thing to say to his shithead teenagers and I was like

oh my god this is gonna be awesome he's like just call him Virgins I still stand by this I think it's harmless and undeniably problematic it's like a parking lot no I think I think it's harmless and undeniably problematic.

It's like a parking lot. No, I think it's a great point in every setting except for something having to do with school. Right. Yeah, sure. All right. I guess if you're at the Y and you ever come into this situation, that's when you use it,

not when you're in a position of authority. All right. Okay. That's fair. It's so good to have you back, dude. I love how uncertain the vibes are heading into utah i'm feeling great about it so that's what you think dude all right that's the podcast thanks to kyle thanks to steve ryan russell Outro Music you