The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Is Tua vs. Herbert Over? ’22 Brady vs. ’19 Brady and the Jets' Bright Future With Damien Woody

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

Russillo shares his five biggest takeaways from NFL Week 14, including the end of this iteration of the Justin Herbert vs. Tua Tagovailoa debate, Bengals-Browns, and the Titans' second-half losing str...eak (0:27). Then Ryen is joined by two-time Super Bowl champion Damien Woody to discuss Jets-Bills, Dolphins-Chargers, Chiefs-Broncos, the Cowboys barely surviving the Texans, Titans-Jaguars, Brock Purdy's 49ers, and more (11:41). Next Ryen briefly shares his Spotify Wrapped (35:02), before answering some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (37:06). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Damien Woody Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 let's do this i'm excited a week 14 wrap-up the two of herbert conversation brady uh cincinnati's win finally against cleveland and we're going to break a bunch of other stuff down with damian woody as we do we have life advice and my spotify rap i'm going to share with everybody this episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Winter is here, so be prepared and get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost anything? Well, you can't get a ski slope, but dish soap, definitely doable. Sunshine, that's no. A bottle of wine, yeah. And a snow day, again, no. But blueberry muffins with the delicious crumb topping, total yes. Get almost,
Starting point is 00:00:46 almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Week 14, top five things that I thought were the most important. I think the top, the headline, the most important game, the thing we were all looking forward to, that was the showdown between the Dolphins and Chargers out here in Los Angeles, Herbert versus Tua. I appreciate so many listeners with the T's and P's after my week one going into week two thing I don't want to say out loud,
Starting point is 00:01:20 where I felt like, man, after that first week, I'm like, I don't see it with Tua. And then he's basically had the best stats of any quarterback in the league. So now Tua's coming off the two worst games of his season. He was 10-28 last night, one touchdown. He had Tyreek on a play where the defender fell down. That's the deal with Tyreek.
Starting point is 00:01:40 Like at some point, he's just going to break one. It doesn't matter. Waddle was invisible. And the Chargers just did a terrific job, I thought, just being physical and throwing off some of the timing route with Tyreek. At some point, he's just going to break one. It doesn't matter. Waddle was invisible. And the Chargers just did a terrific job, I thought, just being physical and throwing off some of the timing route that they were supposed to be doing. Looking at the final numbers, I was surprised it was as good as 10-28.
Starting point is 00:01:54 I'm serious. And apparently, that's the worst completion percentage for a starting QB Miami's had in the game since 1980. That seems crazy that that's the worst in 43 seasons. So, if I look at Miami last night in that game, at one point they had had four completions in the middle of the third quarter
Starting point is 00:02:13 and they're still only down 17-14. This was still a game, despite how bad this was, it was still a game. And I thought, you know what, this is the perfect Tua game. They're going to pull this out. I'm going to feel about Tua, like I'm not going to feel great about these last couple weeks, this game and the Sanua game. They're going to pull this out. I'm going to feel about Tua. I'm not going to feel great about these last couple weeks, this game and the San Francisco game. The San Francisco game, he got his ass kicked physically. This game,
Starting point is 00:02:32 he didn't. He just missed everything. It was bad. It was just a bad game. I'm going, this is perfect. One of the most frustrating times in my life was being on the air during the Tim Tebow run. I knew he wasn't good,
Starting point is 00:02:47 but then they'd win. Then they'd win. I think there's a Dolphins game in there that's really weird. There's that Bears game that was... I would just go, I can't come into work on Monday and say I think he's good now. And then I think at one point I was like,
Starting point is 00:03:04 maybe he just kind of has this weird thing where it raises everybody's floor. And you're like, nope, just really lucky. Got really lucky. Hits that game winner in the playoffs. You're like, no, he just wins. And then he doesn't just win. And again, Tua, I'm not comparing him to Tebow.
Starting point is 00:03:21 This isn't like this weird phenomenon because here's the deal. This isn't a week to week. This isn't a, he stinks last night. So now my week one thing is right. I'm actually not him to Tebow. This isn't like this weird phenomenon because here's the deal. This isn't a week to week. This isn't a, he stinks last night. So now my week one thing is right. I'm actually not going to do that, right? I'm not one of those guys.
Starting point is 00:03:34 The big picture thing is that Tua has stabilized not only his career, but he stabilized the Dolphins at the position because the bigger picture of 22 has been really good for Tua. It's just the last couple of weeks have been really bad. He doesn't run the ball that much anymore, by the way. He had three carries in his previous three games. Started to break it out a little bit last night when they couldn't get anything going in the passing game. Again, long term, this whole Tua story feels like a huge positive and I'm not ready to... I wouldn't want to do the job
Starting point is 00:04:03 that way. You're like, I told you after week one because I still wasn't even sure then. And then he has two bad weeks, but like, hey, I was right along. Here's what I am definitive about. Okay? Okay? However, there is no sane football person that would want to
Starting point is 00:04:19 over Herbert. Period. I know the numbers from Tua this year are better. You can definitely accuse me of the primetime perception thing here, but it wasn't close last night. And they're both 24,
Starting point is 00:04:43 so we're actually going to have to wait multiple years before we have a definitive answer to what I don't think is a debate between these two. Number two, 22 Brady is 19 Brady. Yesterday was brutal. I still can't believe Tampa won that game against New Orleans, but actually I should be able to believe it because if you've been watching Bucs games all season, it's like, man, this team can't do anything right today. And then you're like, wait,
Starting point is 00:05:12 they're a two-point conversion away from tying this thing up or winning it. I mean, think how many games this year have ended with Brady in this moment. You're like, are you serious? They have a chance? That was not the story yesterday against San Francisco. They moved the ball a little bit, but when it came down to it, it wasn't happening. It was a combination of a million things, including Brady not being good because it was so ugly. You're going to start hearing the Brady stuff of like, all right, this guy should retire. That's up to him.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Tampa Bay's 21st on third down conversions. Let's compare Brady's 19 stats his last year in New England to this year in Tampa. Brady's completion percentage in 19 was 61%. It's still 66% in Tampa this season. 6.6 yards per attempt in New England in 2019. That was his worst in 18 years. Well, this year at 6.2, now the worst in his career. His QBR in 19 was 55.7. That was the
Starting point is 00:06:08 worst of his career until replaced by this year's worst of his career at 51. The touchdown interception ratio was 3 to 1 then, 24 and 8, 17 and 5. Now, he actually went eight straight games this season without a pick. He still only has five. this season without a pick. He still only has five. So when I looked at 19, Brady, there were real numbers that were jumping out to you going, what's going on with them?
Starting point is 00:06:31 Now, they never invested in the skill guys unless they were discounted. And towards the end, it was pretty bad. It was pretty limited. And Brady's trying to find a way to make it work
Starting point is 00:06:40 because he'd always found a way to make it work. Talent has been better in Tampa and it's still this year's hurt. Talent has been better, even if the offensive line's a mess. They are throwing it a million times. He's thrown it 109 times in his last two games.
Starting point is 00:06:55 But as bad as the San Francisco game looked, because every conversation about Brady and the declining number, it's just funny that you're getting an even worse version of the 19 Brady that New England said, we're ready to move on from. They thought it was going to keep declining.
Starting point is 00:07:10 They were wrong. He won a Super Bowl. It's one of the best revenge stories in team sports. I'm not guaranteeing if he's somewhere new, you win a Super Bowl with him that next year if he's gone after 22, but there's real similarities. I'm not predicting some massive bounce back like we had after 19 because
Starting point is 00:07:27 now we're talking about being 45 as opposed to just in his early 40s. But the retirement part of it, he's still probably better than what? Half the QBs? At worse, the third of the QBs?
Starting point is 00:07:47 If he wants to come back as ugly as San Francisco, look, I'm not going to complain about it. Number three, I don't think this topic is going to be covered anywhere else. Tough weekend for the Whites. Mike White cut in half by Matt Milano, linebacker for the Bills, who's a stud.
Starting point is 00:08:10 I don't know if he's Fred Warner level, very protective of that. Prime Luke Keekly. I know the comps, BC, I'm very protective of Prime Luke Keekly, but Milano is a stud. White looks like he might have broken ribs. Cut him back into the game.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Didn't look that great. Okay, where's this going? Remember Sammy White, Vikings wide receiver? He had the team record for receiving yards in a single game. 210 back in 1976. Justin Jefferson finally broke it because it looked like he was going to break it every week. 11 catches for 223 and a loss to Detroit.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Detroit, by the way, 6-7. Past four seasons, we've had a 6-7 team make the playoffs. Are you ready for Lions football? And finally, Kobe White. He did have a big defensive play last night against Atlanta. He hit an overtime three, but overall, shot at four from 12 after shooting one for seven against Dallas. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Tough weekend for the Whites. Number four, Cincinnati. They beat Kansas City. They apparently can't beat Cleveland until they beat them yesterday. Their last win was in week 17 against the Browns in 2019. Again, they lost five straight. They lose T. Higgins and Tyler Boyd around the first series of yesterday's game. But they pull this one out with, I don't know if Hendrickson and Hubbard get nearly as much credit for the pressures.
Starting point is 00:09:44 If you look at some of their pressure numbers, if you just watch the games a little bit, this Cincinnati defense feels like it could carry an offense that was struggling yesterday. On the Cleveland side of this, the oddity was that Cleveland, whose offense was actually way better than I think people even realize, even than I realize with Brissette, you bring in Watson. What this is now for you is Deshaun Watson practice the rest of the season you're five and eight that's all this is because he needs to practice he is playing like somebody who hasn't played in two years there is also the part of this where no one is rooting for you
Starting point is 00:10:12 they want the Deshaun Watson story um to not work out the resentment from other owners from everybody else that you got 230 million the fact that the guy that has the most guaranteed money in the history of the sport is Deshaun Watson is going to bother almost everybody. There also appears, it felt like yesterday when they started putting up how the Deshaun Watson series had gone since he had taken over as starter just a week ago. 10 punts, a couple field goals, a safety pick fumble. Anytime it's a punt, it's like, yeah, this isn't working. Anytime it's a turnover, it's like, yeah, this isn't working. Then anytime it's a turnover,
Starting point is 00:10:46 there's even more joy. It felt like it got real specific on some of the bottom line coverage where it's like, look how bad this guy has been. All of that's accurate. I'd ask this to anybody just from a football standpoint, just the football part of this. Do you think he's going to be bad? Because I don't.
Starting point is 00:11:03 I think he looks bad. I don't think he's going to be bad. And that's really the conversation for him and going into next year. And finally, a stat that I've been looking for when it was first brought to my attention about the Titans' second-half numbers, smashed by Jacksonville. I know what the final score was.
Starting point is 00:11:23 That was a beating by a Jacksonville team. I don't know what to make of every other week. I know what the final score was. That was a beating by Jacksonville team. I don't know what to make of every other week. We're back to the good one. Tennessee is scoring 5.4 points in second half of games this year. You know how when you're looking up something, maybe you don't because you don't host podcasts, where I'll be like, hey, here's a number. Actually, this feels low. Let me see historically how low this is.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Let me keep sorting it and going back past seasons. This one, I got sick of it. I was like, I hope this actually shows up here soon because I'm sick of sorting through this. 5.4 points in the second half of games. That is on pace to be the worst number we've seen in an NFL season since 2013 from Tampa Bay. Damian Woody, coming up. from Tampa Bay. Damian Woody, coming up. Joining us as he does throughout the football season, Damian Woody, former player now with ESPN. Okay, I might just start with your Jets,
Starting point is 00:12:16 and I feel like they're your Jets. We've discussed this. Despite your resume with other teams, I feel like you care about the Jets the most. You're located close to them. I know it's a loss. I don't you care about the Jets the most. You're located close to them. I know it's a loss. I don't know. Maybe I'm late to this.
Starting point is 00:12:28 I think they're going to be good for a while. If White is just above average as a quarterback, and clearly he's better than Zach Wilson at this point, I'm constantly impressed every time I watch him. And that was after losing Quinn and Williams, which is a big deal. But to watch them defensively, and I know they lost to Buffalo,
Starting point is 00:12:45 but I'm watching that game going, they have talent, they're tough. There's a lot of buy-in from me after the Jets, even after a loss. Yeah, you know, I tell people all the time, the Jets have arrived early. They weren't supposed to, like, if you ask anyone in the organization, both front office and coaches, they thought 2023 was going to be their year. And the fact that all these young players, these draft picks, these
Starting point is 00:13:13 young players from, you know, the past couple drafts, they've arrived quickly. And the Jets are a very talented team. And I can tell you one thing, that game yesterday, I mean, they held – Josh Allen had like 140 passing yards. Okay?
Starting point is 00:13:29 Stephon Diggs had like 37 receiving yards. Like, they held all their stars down to minimal damage at all. Like, that defense is legit. It's one of the best defenses in the league. And if the Jets somehow can find themselves in the postseason, I think they need to win the last three out of four to get in.
Starting point is 00:13:52 They're going to be a scary team in the postseason because their defense is scary. Yeah, they're more talented than New England is. I don't think it's even close to a stretch to say that New England really does feel like the fourth team in the AFC
Starting point is 00:14:08 East. And when I watch the Jets, I mean, Wilson alone at receiver is better than anything New England's had in a while. It feels fairly obvious now that something that you're like, ah, the Jets, who cares? I'm spending too much time on a team that
Starting point is 00:14:23 isn't necessarily going to threaten anybody, but it feels right. What are you hearing on the Mike White part of this? I know he got beat up quite a bit yesterday, but is Zach Wilson ever going to get that job back? I honestly feel like Mike White is playing himself into a start roller in 2023. The team, the locker room is
Starting point is 00:14:45 clearly behind Mike White. It seems like each start, he's only strengthening his hold on that starting job with the Jets. Like I said, if they ultimately can find their way into postseason, I think Mike White's going to be the starting quarterback next year. On the dig side, there's a bunch of stuff that can go into it. going to be a starting quarterback next year? On the dig side, you know, there's a bunch of stuff that can go into it.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And I don't have the answer because clearly he is one of the handful of difference makers at that position. But can a receiver, can an elite receiver be taken out
Starting point is 00:15:18 for an entire game if a defense wants to? Or is there a different DNA in receivers where there's some top guys that are amazing, put up huge numbers and there's other guys that are the same thing, but like, they just, they're going to find a way.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Like, I don't know if that's up to the receiver, up to the coordinator. We saw that they start moving digs into the slot. There's just a lot. And I don't have an answer on digs, but I'm just wondering your experience, the difference between receivers that we all would put in the same group that maybe you separate because some dude just decides i'm
Starting point is 00:15:49 not letting this happen to me today where other receivers may let it happen well i think there's a lot of factors and it clearly uh you know defenses went you know during the week and and on game day they you know they have like a uh they have a bullseye on certain guys and so you can defensively you can adjust your coverage to try to take out guys and you know then you know offenses will counter by moving guys around particularly in the slot makes a little bit harder and stuff like that but there's a lot of factors that goes into it you know like last yet like yesterday with the Jets, Jets' defensive front was killing Buffalo.
Starting point is 00:16:28 So when your quarterback doesn't have time to throw, guess what? He can't find those guys. So there's a lot of factors that goes into it. Jets have two of the best corners in the National Football League and South Garden and D.J. Reid, and they just match. I feel like they match up well with Buffalo. Now, Stephon Diggs is going to get hit most of the time, but listen, both times he played against the Jets,
Starting point is 00:16:48 he didn't really do much. That's also a good segue into what the Chargers did against Tyreek Hill. It reminded me a little bit of you guys against the Rams in the Super Bowl where you beat the shit out of all the receivers and Marshall Falk and got away with it for the entire time. Again, credit to you if you got away with it.
Starting point is 00:17:06 But it was funny to see that one illegal contact downfield call, and the Dolphins sidelines like, oh, really? Like now? And they mentioned it. Collins would mention it on the broadcast because I thought it was smart. But you're still like the scary thing with Hill and like happened last night is one guy falls down and it's six. Like it's just going to happen at some point. You're going like the scary thing with Hill and like happened last night is one guy falls down and it's six. Like it's just going to happen at some point.
Starting point is 00:17:28 You're going to lose contain. You're going to screw up the coverage. I thought what they did last night, especially with no Derwin James, was really impressive from the Chargers. Yeah. You know, when you watch the Miami Dolphins, particularly their passing game, they do a lot of what's called in breaking routes. A lot of their explosive plays happen between the numbers. Tua is really, really accurate between the numbers, but I think teams are starting to catch on to that. Teams are really starting to flood that area between the numbers, and they're basically telling Tua, okay, now you
Starting point is 00:18:02 got to complete some of these passes outside the numbers. And you know what's happened in the past few games? He hasn't been accurate outside the numbers. And so this Miami Dolphins offense, you know, during the season, you got to adjust. It's all about, you know, okay, you do this, team, defense adjust. Now you got to adjust again. So the Miami Dolphins, they've got to know that these teams are starting to flood the defense between the numbers.
Starting point is 00:18:30 What adjustments are you going to make to help your quarterback out? Yeah, and I think a lot of that stuff, too, where there are such predetermined throws, which have worked for Miami, and it's been great for Tua, where it's like a quick drop and pivot, and it's this slant, and it's on. But if you screw up that release, the whole mechanism is thrown off. It's because a lot of it is about timing, right? You see, Tua is so precise.
Starting point is 00:18:59 He gets back into his drop quick, and he lets go of the ball quickly. Well, guess what? If you get up and you press these receivers in their face, throw them a timing off, now the whole passing game becomes disjointed. And so that's what I'm saying, like with the Miami Dolphins on offense, Mike McDaniel, okay, what's your counter? You got hit.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Now what's your counter punch to what teams are doing to you now? So do you think this is a warning? Do you think that this is a bad sign for Tua in this offense now, back-to-back weeks? I think Miami's on a very slippery slope right now. Because think about it. This Thursday, they got the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo against that defense. We saw that defense against the Jets.
Starting point is 00:19:44 Like, that defense is good. that defense against the Jets. Like, that defense is good. And so they see the film. They saw the film against the San Francisco 49ers. You know, when they went against the San Francisco 49ers, they're going to look at the film against the Chargers. Well, guess what? If you prove that you can't do certain things, it's a copycat league.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Teams are going to copy it until you prove and you show that you got it figured out. So, again, it's going to be a big, big test for the Miami Dolphins this Thursday. I started the show saying this because I've taken my lumps on the Tua conversation just because
Starting point is 00:20:22 I watched the beginning of this year and I went, oh man, I was like, here we go again. And then he turns into like an MVP candidate and it's, it's absurd. But I look at, but it isn't just last night, but like, I look at last night's game on top of how I feel about Herbert and Tua and what I expect them to be the rest of the way. I don't know how any football person would go. I'll take Tua over the other guy. the way i don't know how any football person would go i'll take two over the other guy i can think of one person who who's who's been on that you know like emmanuel acho you know like that dude like that dude went out to the miami dolphins practice before the charges and was you know bragging about the tour. And I'm like, okay, all right, okay, we'll see.
Starting point is 00:21:08 But to me, Justin Herbert is, he's phenomenal, man. His all-around talent is second to none in the National Football League. And I know we talk about Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and Rifle and So and Patrick Mahomes, but you can't tell me, like, and Joe Burrow and Rifle and So and Patrick Mahomes. But you can't tell me, like, Justin Herbert can do everything those guys can do. Easily. Easily.
Starting point is 00:21:32 He puts it on display every week. Did you feel almost bad for Russell Wilson considering it felt like, hey, wait, you're actually in this game, and then he gets a concussion? Yeah, man. It was just, first of all, it was a bad-looking play, just the way the camera angle was. And then on top of it, this is the first time the Broncos have showed a pulse on offense, and then all of a sudden, you get knocked out of the game.
Starting point is 00:21:57 It's just like, holy hell. This is the worst type of luck I've seen in quite some time for a player. I also think something happens in every game. Every game like this. And you're going to agree with me. Elaborate. Elaborate with that. There are so many times where I'll go, and this is why I think we love the game of football,
Starting point is 00:22:21 but also why the results sometimes annoy the shit out of me. Because I'll watch a game and go, okay, I feel this way about this. Team A is way better than Team B. And Team A goes up 14-0 immediately. And everything I thought was right. I'm like, okay, this is right. I mean, this was what, 27-0? 27-0. They got the picture of Kelsey on the bench with his arms just kicked up, laughing. It looked like he was about to smoke a cigar or something like that.
Starting point is 00:22:49 And then the Broncos come storming back. And a lot of their storming back was because all of a sudden Kansas City started making mistakes. Yeah, Patrick Holt throwing turnovers and stuff like that. Yeah. Right. So now you're looking at a situation where you're going, okay, short fields here, right?
Starting point is 00:23:09 Because after it's 27-0, Denver punts, interception, score, 42 yards, interception, score. Granted, they put together a seven-play 60-yard drive, and now it's 27-14. I think football is so hard that you can't help yourselves
Starting point is 00:23:23 but go, these guys stink i'm not gonna block as hard i'm not gonna rush as hard and then dude the the josie jewel pick the later pick that was an incredible incredible interception right yes but mahomes you know starts feeling himself a little bit it's like the old steph curry thing where they were up 30 when he was younger. He would start trying stuff that people don't even try in scrimmages in an NBA game. The Mahomes pick, that jewel pick, as we both said, that's a phenomenal play by a guy where Mahomes in a million years is never thinking that play is going to be made on that ball. But I think that's what yesterday was. And you're right.
Starting point is 00:24:03 It sucks for Denver because they finally showed some kind of offense Wilson starts like believe and let's do this you know you got guys tweeting at Wilson saying stop thanking Jesus which was more it wasn't a religious thing it was like he doesn't want credit for your season I mean it was getting really not like I'll look at his post and I look at this response like, man, this one crossed the line this week. Yeah. It just – I think it happens. I think you know, like, when you're up 20-0 and don't respect the opponent, you're just not going to block as hard as you did at the beginning of the game.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Well, I think, you know, I tell people all the time, players are human, right? Like, there's a reason we call trap games trap games, because you look at a team on film, you're like, fuck, they are awful. They they are like they suck and then you get into the game you're not emotionally as up as you should be and the team plays better than what they've shown on film and then you're in a fight for your life i think like the dallas houston game like that like you can't tell me like dallas watch film all those players watch film or the texans who like the worst-Houston game. Like, you can't tell me, like, Dallas watch film,
Starting point is 00:25:05 all those players watch film, or the Texans, who are, like, the worst team in the league, and be like, oh, we're going to kill these guys. These guys stink. And then the Texans come out battling, like, playing good football, and next thing you know, you're like, damn, we got a scrapping, clawing fight
Starting point is 00:25:22 to try to win this game against a team that's 1-10-1. I want to ask you about that game because Lovie Smith, from what I remember in his years in Chicago, loved going for it on fourth and goal from like the one or two. And I don't have an issue with it because I understand what the numbers tell you, especially at that point, it would have basically locked up the game
Starting point is 00:25:43 unless something ridiculous happens at the end. What I don't like is when you're doing it when it doesn't look like it's going to work, which I know is like, that'd be great to know ahead of time. That didn't look like that series was going to work. They got in that short red and you're like, are you built to do this against that defensive front for Dallas? And Lawrence makes that one play where you're like, okay, maybe this isn't a great idea. And what I don't like is that we only look at the front part of the equation. We're like, well, look, if they get a touchdown here, this thing's kind of over. But on the other side, all you would have needed if you were down 27, 26 is all you would have needed was a field goal to win that game. And I know the field position part of it. Lovey used to like doing it at the end of halves
Starting point is 00:26:25 where I'd go, if you don't get this, then you don't get the reward of awesome field position. That one felt like it wasn't going to work and it was strictly married to the numbers without ever thinking about the next part of the equation if Dallas were going to go down and score a touchdown. I think, listen, I think you have, I think there's some validity in what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:26:45 I think also what plays a part in it is the fact that you're 1-10-1 and you also want to believe in your players. You know, because a lot of times when you, you know, you call certain things or do certain things, a part of it is you want players to buy into it. A part of it is you want players to buy into it. And so, you know, I think that's part of the equation as well. And when you get in those type of situations, you want to put it in the hand of your players and let them determine this whole thing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. And, you know, unfortunately for the Texans,
Starting point is 00:27:20 it didn't work out in that specific point in time. Yeah. Again, that was 23 20 they go down so it just was something i was thinking about like if you took this you took the three and then you're also forcing them to play for the touchdown which again ended up happening anyway uh and that dak that dak pick at that point you're like this might be a wrap that was one of the worst throws of the entire weekend, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Dak hasn't been actually playing great football
Starting point is 00:27:49 over the past few weeks, to be honest with you. Interesting story out of Tennessee. Jacksonville puts it on him. John Robinson, the GM, let go. The owner, she made some weird video where, I don't know, that wouldn't make me feel great if I were a Titans fan, going like, where, I don't know, like that wouldn't make me feel great if I were a Titans fan going like,
Starting point is 00:28:05 okay, I have no idea why she got rid of him or not. There's a theory that it's a variable power play. There are other people saying that is not the case whatsoever. You had experience with Belichick being the final word on everything, and it's been one of the most successful runs in NFL history. How different is that when you have the coach, the game plan guy, also in charge of the final say on how much money you're going to make
Starting point is 00:28:31 in a contract negotiation? You know what? Honestly, during the season, you don't pay attention to any of those types of things. You're just playing. But when it comes into play is, you know, you're talking about big contractual situations. Like for myself, my last year in New England, we tried to get a contract done before the season.
Starting point is 00:28:50 We were close, but we just couldn't we couldn't get it over, get it over the finish line. So we said, you know what, we'll revisit it after the season. Fast forward, we end up winning the Super Bowl. And then, you know, the the the unfortunate thing is when I remember that I remember the conversation, it was, it was me, Coach Belichick and Scott Pioli. I'm in the office and, and, and, and Coach Belichick was like, you know, Hey, we're going to let you, we're going to have, you know, let you touch free agency. You know, there were some discrepancies in what you were saying, what your agent was saying. And I'm like, okay, let me stop you right there. I didn't make any comments.
Starting point is 00:29:28 I've always said I let my agent take care of my business. That's why I pay him. And he takes care of the business. I don't say anything to you that my agent wouldn't say. I just let my agent handle everything. So at that point, I knew what was going to happen. I was going to free agency, and I was never going to re-sign with New England because they knew that I was the top free agent coming up that year.
Starting point is 00:29:52 So, you know, it was a little, you know, like that hurt me a little bit because, you know, what he said at that particular time. But that's the dynamics that happen when the coach is also the final decision maker. He's the coach, the GM, the everything within the organization. Yeah, I mean, this whole thing, you got paid so much by Detroit,
Starting point is 00:30:15 you knew New England wasn't going to do that, right? No, no, it wasn't going to happen. It never felt personal. It felt very businesslike. And knowing that you're an offensive lineman, even though you can play every position on the O-line, that's just not the way. New England's going to figure they're just going to plug another guy in cheaper.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Skarnacki is going to coach him up, and then we're good. Now we have Brady on top of everything else. Right. Although, yeah, you were still there years before Brady was, or became the guy. Was it ever, was it ever like you have an agent? Who was your player agent then?
Starting point is 00:30:52 His name was Ben Dogra. He was with us. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So did you want to know, like, did you want to know?
Starting point is 00:31:02 I mean, my, my thing is I'm not obviously anything cool enough as a pro athlete, but I always thought it was interesting when I talked to other people in broadcasting. Don't you want to know what they're saying about you? And some of my friends would go, never. That's what the 10% is for. And I'd be like, I kind of want to know what the people who are in charge of my career are saying about me. You didn't care. You didn't care. I didn't care.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I didn't care, man. Like I knew what my worth was. And I think that's exactly right. What you said as far as how other people felt like, that's why I pay an agent. That's why you pay an agent. So they can handle that. They can have those type of discussions.
Starting point is 00:31:37 I didn't care about what they had to say to me in those meetings. All I cared about was at the end of the day that my contract was, was, you know, in those meetings, all I cared about was at the end of the day that my contract was to a place where I felt like I was being compensated for what I was worth. Bottom line. The other thing that's always funny too is when teams say we don't negotiate in
Starting point is 00:31:56 season, dot, dot, dot, unless we're able to absolutely murder the player at the negotiating table. That's right. That's right. Absolutely. Is Brock Purdy good? I think Brock Purdy fits what the San Francisco 49ers... He fits in their system.
Starting point is 00:32:15 I think the San Francisco 49ers are one of those unique teams. They might be the only team in the league where they don't need a quarterback that plays above the X's and O's. They just need a guy to run their system. Brock Purdy is basically like Jimmy G. Jimmy G is not a guy that's going to go out there
Starting point is 00:32:34 and just have Patrick Mahomes type plays. He just needs to run the system, and everything else is going to take care of itself. What is it about Shanahan's offense that maximizes it feels like every backup we've ever seen? I think that man, that's a great
Starting point is 00:32:58 question because it's a run oriented system. They believe in running back by committee. I know they got Christian McCaffrey, but they want to run the football. It's all about being where you're supposed to be in the passing game, yards after the catch. So it's very precise.
Starting point is 00:33:15 You know, it's not a system where the quarterback has a, like a huge autonomy to make, you know, make audibles and stuff. They don't do that in that system. They call it, they run it and they go execute it.
Starting point is 00:33:26 And here's what I will say. You know, and I think this will give some light into it. Coach Belichick once said that the one system that frustrated him the most was the Shanahan system. When Mike Shanahan was in Denver, that was the one system that gave his defenses the most problems.
Starting point is 00:33:50 You know, just that zone running scheme, the concepts in the passing game. And so that's what Kyle Shanahan is running. He might have tweaked it, but that's what he's running. And it's littered all over the National Football League. Last thing before we let you go.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Favorite hip-hop album of 2022? I like that Nas album, man. How mad do you get when guys are trying to diss Nas for 21 Savage? how mad how mad do you get when when guys are trying to diss Nas for 21 Savage honestly I want to just smack the shit out of people
Starting point is 00:34:34 like how in the hell you gonna put 21 Savage even in the same area code as the great Nas like one of the greatest lyricists that we've ever seen and you you know people putting mumble rappers you know on nas's level i'm just like get the fuck out of here like y'all might like the production better but as far as like the the actual rapper like
Starting point is 00:35:02 they don't even deserve to be in his presence. We need to do a Hip Hop 5 Minutes next week, next time we do it. Illmatic is a perfect album. It's perfect. It's perfect. No question. No question.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Matter of fact, I'm about to bump it as soon as I get off this call. Well, there you go. Enjoy, my man. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. All right, man. Appreciate you, brother. I know a lot of people don't realize this,
Starting point is 00:35:32 which makes sense because, you know, I work for Spotify, but for each podcast host, you know how you get your Spotify wrapped at the end of the year? For hosts, they actually wrap what you talk about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:44 So instead of like, hey, you listen to this or whatever, it would be strictly based on like it can see what you were doing. So I was going to share mine with you guys. All right. The top six for me, I was number one in usage rate, complaining about usage rate more than anyone in the country, which no one has really picked up on. It said, number two, you complained about calls that Trey Young gets
Starting point is 00:36:11 more than you actually called anyone this year. You used this phrase the most. You said, dudes don't talk to dudes in the top 2%. I'd love to know who that other dude is, but we wouldn't talk to each other. in the top 2%. I'd love to know who that other dude is, but we wouldn't talk to each other. You mentioned you liked Bryce Young versus Auburn in 21.
Starting point is 00:36:30 You mentioned that you liked that game more than any other college football commentator in the country. And you were in the top 1% of Gabrielle Precida mentions. You didn't love the SEC as much as you hated the Big Ten West It was your top topic for the fall of 22
Starting point is 00:36:49 That was the next page You liked bands more than solo artists Love for Golden State, Boston, Cleveland, Phoenix You stopped listening to Harden and Westbrook entirely Maybe next year, a little more diversity. These five QBs took the most heat. Kirk, Jimmy G, Wentz, Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers. And on Sunday, May 5th,
Starting point is 00:37:18 it was the least amount of talking you've ever done. And in a music crossover, it says that I listened to Elliot Smith for 31 straight hours. All right, it's pretty cool. The first feature, I think it's the first year they've done that for podcasters. You want details? Fine.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So,
Starting point is 00:37:51 now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life Advice is presented by Chevy. Our email address for Life Advice submissions, lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. Okay, Kyle, first thing you think of when I say ringer celebrity, first name that pops
Starting point is 00:38:08 in your head. Van Lathan. Good choice. Very good choice. Brian Curtis. Yeah, well, I think that's what my heart said, but my head said Van Lathan. You're a big Brian Curtis fan. Love Brian Curtis.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I don't even think he gets it. I think he might be a little uncomfortable by about how much I outwardly praise him, saying as we're never in the room together anymore. So whatever, buddy. I'm just proud of you, man. Oh, Brian Curtis. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Yes. Okay. Right. Yeah. Understood. Okay. So we had somebody write in about running into Kevin O'Connor. And they sent
Starting point is 00:38:48 in the pictures of people fanboying out with Kevin at a restaurant. Restaurant? Potentially. I don't want to get KOC in trouble here. Is it with friends? Is it a date?
Starting point is 00:39:04 Is it a sushi bar area where it's like not really chef's table seats, but kind of in that way that most sushi restaurants have a section there? they sent in a follow-up with a photograph of them. So it was like, hey, we're not getting a picture with him. Will you get a picture of us talking to him while he's at dinner? Now, look, the guy is owning it here. He says he's skinny, fat. He has a terrible body, the worst kind of body. Nice jumper. He says, we played it wrong.
Starting point is 00:39:44 We shouldn't have gone up to him. The man was trying to watch the Sixers-Lakers game on his phone while trying to enjoy some amazing omakase. Is that the right pronunciation? I'm pretty basic. I believe it. Yeah, I believe that. I'm so basic, Kyle.
Starting point is 00:40:00 When I get sushi. He said, we played it wrong, but we were so excited. The alcohol took over. We got excited. I told him I was a big fan. Gave him a fist bump. I attached a pic of us going up to Kevin. We look like some losers. I'm disgusted at myself.
Starting point is 00:40:15 I'm the guy in the brown shirt who is in the foreground, but still looks short. But he says that's because the other guys are 6'3". That is all. I don't know what the ruling on that one is. I don't know if KOC was upset by this.
Starting point is 00:40:33 They are hovering above him. They're at his back because at a sushi restaurant, you don't get to front greet someone. You have to walk up behind them. Give them the old tap. So it looks a little awkward. But again, if it were a serious thing, would he be allowed to watch Sixers-Lakers, which was an absurd comeback by the Lakers, by the way.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Still lost. I don't know what the... I would say this. If a guy's on a date, and you go up and give him a little bit of love and what may look like an early date i say do it i think it makes him look good definitely definitely does yeah and you also looked out that koc is one of the more gracious people i mean just like to friends acquaintances anybody who loves basketball, I think he's got them all on the same sort of plane of importance almost. Not really, but just in the way you're
Starting point is 00:41:29 going to be treated. So I imagine even if you did royally fuck this up and annoy him, which I don't know if you did or not, I don't think he would ever let you know. I don't know that he could be that annoyed. He seems to be one of the nicest people that I've probably ever met. And I don't know that that's an exaggeration. Like if you ran into Chris Ryan, forget it. Yeah, dude. Like he's going to be a prick. Get out of the way.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Right. You know, you got like four seconds with Chris Ryan to prove yourself. And he's not stopping. He's not stopping his stride either. I saw him at Tom's Urban once and a guy came up to say hi and he called him a surf. Away, surf.
Starting point is 00:42:13 So you lucked out. You lucked out with the right guy. Okay, all right. I don't even know what the advice was there. I think it's a little weird that they did almost a mockumentary of it, though.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Like somebody else, somebody else, like, hey, take a picture there. I think it's a little weird that they did almost a mockumentary of it, though. Somebody else, like, hey, take a picture of us going up to KOC. All right. Back to work here. All right.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Relationship versus career advice from Ryan. What could go wrong? A lot. A lot with my advice. Okay, what's up, Ryan? Kyle, tell Cerruti we miss him. I'll make it quick. I'm 22, about to graduate. This guy does make it quick. A couple paragraphs, a couple lines. One paragraph, actually, one or two lines. and didn't own a pair of pants, just shorts until college. This guy loves shorts. When I started going to bars and realized my fake was not good enough to justify shorts at a bar.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Anyway, I can either work at this company in Boston or work fully remote and live anywhere I want. Likely stay in Florida. I've wanted to do stand-up as i've always been the funniest guy in the group of friends in high school and college the funniest guy i know would it be great if they were like the rest of the friends are like dude he thinks he's so funny i'm the best rapper i know too so yeah are you the best rapper you know pal is there a chance
Starting point is 00:43:44 but it's just a funny thing to say it's like one of those things that's funny to say it's like of course you'd think that i can't believe i haven't asked this before did you ever dabble in freestyle oh totally yeah you had bars did you have a name yeah we've been over this we have asked this before oh well it was just kc yeah it was just my initials i didn't want to i didn't want to presume that i knew how to make a rap name so i was like, I'll just go with my initials. You stayed humble in the game. Even though I was the best rapper I knew.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Kidding. Yeah. Well, look, the audience is always growing. So welcome in, those that didn't know that. It was one of those things where I was like, wait, I think we've been over this. But I wanted to make sure. Okay, so this guy's the funniest guy in his group. And since discovering some of the great specials on netflix years ago a light switched
Starting point is 00:44:30 in my head that this would be the dream at about 14 years old your karaoke story on dirks bentley i think about all the time i still think about it all the time uh i've been writing jokes on my phone for years that's an episode and i really do think some of it's pretty good hey by the way you might be really really funny so let's all not you know like seriously let's all be positive about this because we don't know and by the way who the fuck are any of us to tell this guy that he shouldn't do any of these things right okay so yay this guy so uh i'd honestly be really excited to fail as much as i can for 10 years if that meant i had a chance of making all right so you're realistic about the time that's what comedians tell you too
Starting point is 00:45:11 you're gonna fail for 10 years everyone says you're gonna eat shit for 10 years so you're on the right track then yeah that's why i love that i forget was it i would think it was colin quinn with dana Carvey and David Spade. David Spade's one-liners, by the way, on the podcast. They're the funniest throwaway lines of maybe anybody podcasting right now. He nailed me once on Bill's podcast. My dad was like, that was the greatest moment of your life. David Spade being mean to you for three seconds.
Starting point is 00:45:42 I was like, oh my God. He's unbelievable. I don't want to make light of this, but as comedians, they can make fun of literally anything and it doesn't matter. So I'll be vague to not sound as if I'm making fun of something tragic that happened. But there was a guest, not hard to figure this one out. It was recent. And they were asking about somebody else.
Starting point is 00:46:02 And the person had forgotten how this other person had died and the guest was like wait what did he die of and spade just goes bullets that's perfect and again if i told you the full thing and you're listening to me tell it you'd be like that's incredibly cold and you'd be like yeah in a non-comedian version way of telling it yes but spade just going like sarcastic dumbfounded one-liner like bullets it was i was in the car i was like my god that was fucking just on it quick. All right. Back to this email, which we were taking some serious detours from. Okay. The problem comes in because unfortunately my girlfriend, who I hope to marry a few years out of college,
Starting point is 00:46:57 would like to stay in Florida and she can stay closer to her family, who she is very close to. I asked her what she would think if I took the option to go to Boston and she replied, quote, probably just cry. Okay. That seems a tad dramatic. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's not ideal. This guy is funny.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Good follow-up. I could definitely try to make it in Jacksonville or Tampa, but let's be honest, the chances of making it out from these comedy scenes, even if I'm good or astronomically low, I understand Ryan doesn't have much experience choosing between his career relationships, but any advice would be appreciated. I would tell you I have a ton of experience
Starting point is 00:47:40 choosing between career and relationship. One dominated the other. One was the Globetrotters versus the Generals for me. As a side note, into my psychology, my dad was pretty successful in the sports world, but he steered me well away from even thinking about going that way due to a lack of income.
Starting point is 00:48:00 So you're going to try stand-up? Oh, Jesus. Right. He was traveling a lot, gone about 250 days a year until I was 16 and not being able to be there for the kids they grew up. And that's going to be really tough, man. I have a ton of sympathy for anyone, the mom
Starting point is 00:48:13 or dad in the situation where you feel like you're missing all that good stuff, but you're providing a living. I don't know. Good luck with that calculus because I don't know that anybody's ever come up with the right answer for that one uh every movie scene where the guy's watching the play on facetime the phone like okay we've seen it we get it he's not home a lot let's write that scene in again uh so he doesn't want to be there for his uh well no he was saying about his dad not being
Starting point is 00:48:41 able to be there we covered that i'm pretty damn good at sales. Funny and efficient. And I could definitely make six figures and start a family by 24, 25, taking the remote job and avoid all the issues my dad told me to steer away from. If I were to make it, I'd probably travel a ton, see my wife less and less, and not be the stay-at-home, work-from-home dad I've always wanted to be for my kids. I appreciate you reading this. And the only segment that my girlfriend will listen to is Life Advice. Yeah, honestly, that's why the podcast in the last year has done as well as it has.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Because girlfriends and wives no longer hate me. All right. My first thing to do would be exhale here. You're putting kind of a lot of pressure on yourself to go like, hey, I don't want it. Like you're not even married and you're worried about being home for the kids, which I think is actually admirable that you're thinking about all these things. Right, Kyle? But you're going, hey, I want to be young or I want to be married at a young age,
Starting point is 00:49:37 24, 25, and we're talking two years from now. I think she's being very dramatic to say like I would probably just cry. But sometimes you end up dating and then marrying somebody that never really wants to leave home. I would submit Chicago girls as my first piece of evidence. You know, a lot of people really love where they grew up. I was a bit more of an explorer and was always wanting to move and, like, try different things and didn't really care about any of that stuff. I also don't have a family, don't have kids. And boy, those relatives come in real handy when you still want to have some sort of life with your wife and you have young kids all over the place and your relatives, if they love kids are fired up to take
Starting point is 00:50:17 them off your hands. Right? So there's that. Two things. My thing, I can only speak to like my deal on this personally but I could not not try I knew it was going to happen it was going to haunt me I probably you know I would have thought I was going to be successful
Starting point is 00:50:40 at a lot of different things sorry if that sounds arrogant um but i knew that if i didn't try the creative thing which again i wouldn't tell you i'm super satisfied creatively uh if i didn't try the thing that most people weren't going to try i was going to have this thing where you know maybe my late 30s or whatever, I'd be like, you never even fucking tried. You'd never try. And that was going to bother me. I was already pre-bothered by it before it was even close to happening, which is probably a waste of time too.
Starting point is 00:51:21 So I knew I had to try. So I don't know. probably a waste of time too. So I knew I had to try. So I don't know. I mean, I don't know deep down if you're going to have this moment years from now, if you don't really try, I just think you're mapping out a lot of shit without any of these answers, you know? And that's the first thing like, okay, fine. Like, why can't you do comedy at home? Like you haven't even started yet and you're already shitting on the scene in Tampa and Jacksonville, I don't know that that's the right play. Boston's got some stuff going on, but again, I don't know how you would rank.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Do you just get off the plane and go, I'm here? I mean, I don't know how that works. I know we had Bargatian who said when he was in New York City, he was one of those guys handing out flyers on the street and trying to promote stuff. He said he was fucking terrible at it, but I guess that's the way it works. You show up, keep meeting people, going to parties, probably tell everybody they're funny, even when they're not,
Starting point is 00:52:11 hope to hand out flyers, hope to get two minutes on the worst possible night ever. I don't know if that happens in New York City. I'm sure there's smaller places where it can. Boston, I have no idea. I haven't lived there in a long time. So the job is in Boston, I have no idea. I haven't lived there in a long time. So the job is in Boston or you can do the remote thing and then stay in Florida and keep this girl happy who apparently never wants to move, but you want to have a life with her. If the relationship is that important to you, and by the way, it doesn't always have to be
Starting point is 00:52:40 an either or. It doesn't always have to be that. Like sometimes the great thing about meeting the right partners, they're like, Hey, I'm, I'm in this for the long haul. And I want to share this journey with you. Like, I remember one time I was talking to one of my friends who was kind of asking me like, Hey, what's your deal with this? And I was like, look, I just want nothing to ever get in the way. Nothing is ever going to get in the way. And he was like, all right, fucking comm fucking commando um he's like didn't you ever think about maybe sharing that journey with somebody else and i was like oh good one i was like that was pretty good pretty good retort so maybe that could that could happen um
Starting point is 00:53:15 i don't know kyle why don't you jump in here a little bit because you're you're closer to the stage here um yeah i just i changed my whole approach because you told me your girlfriend listened so i'm not going to tell you to leave her. I wasn't going to tell you, you should leave her, but I was going to say, it's definitely, you know, it's not off the table, right? You're still technically in school. So, you know, that's sort of one of those band-aids that sometimes usually gets ripped off when people graduate, right? Certain institutions between high schools and colleges, sometimes it's just like, all right, well, I'm going to go back to where I live now. So that's just, it's just, it's, it's an option for a lot of people. I'm not saying it should
Starting point is 00:53:47 be for you, but yeah, I think, I guess what I would wonder is, is can you take this Boston thing anytime? Can you be like, cause some companies are like, you know, tell us where you want to work now. Otherwise you're coming in the office, you know, like, so maybe you could take the, maybe you could, if, if, if it's still an option to do the Boston thing. And I've heard, I listened to a lot of comedians podcasts and they always talk about how the Boston scene was. And there was a lot of great comedians that come out of Boston. Nobody really ever talks about how good it is. And I'm not sure if that's because it isn't, but it's just, they all talk with this irreverence for it in like the nineties and the 2000s. So I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:25 I mean, I don't know how scenes and eras come and go, but I just know that people used to love the comedy scene in Boston. Definitely. Yeah, I don't know enough about it. So I'm not saying like, look, we know what is in New York City. It's obviously a really big deal. So like if he takes the job, moves to Boston, then he's going to get exposed to stuff. Apparently, that's much better for his preferred profession later on. But it's a lot.
Starting point is 00:54:47 It's a lot to take the nine to five to move, to bring your girlfriend who doesn't want to be there, make sure she's cool, and then also pursue the other stuff. I mean, personally, I would see if you have anything that stands out in the local area. All right. So you're not strained too much financially. You're not moving to a completely different city. You're keeping her happy. But this is a lot of stuff. This is a lot of stuff to juggle. And the great thing is when you can meet somebody who goes, hey, I'll support you through, you know, it kind of sucks when it's
Starting point is 00:55:21 like, but the clock is ticking, but that's the reality of it. And if money's going to be an issue for you in a few years, like, all right, you said, hey, you're not going to make any money for 10 years. Are you really? It's kind of like tanking with the Sixers. And I've made this analogy before. Hey, we're going to lose a million games or have some of the most embarrassing rosters ever, and it's going to give us the best chance to get all these awesome picks. And that's how we're going to make this team a real contender.
Starting point is 00:55:43 And you're like, man, that's fucking great. That that's a great idea and then it's year two all right and it's awful the plans are way easier to make they're harder to live through so you can sit there today and feel like hey i'll be fine i don't need okay we'll really be in it really be in the plan a couple years and you're feeling you may be able to ride it through but you you just you're going to feel differently like it's just funny when i'll hear people say like oh i'm going to do this i'm going to do that i'm going to do like okay that's cool like what's it going to feel like when you're actually really doing it so uh i feel like i don't know i don't know that i did a great job with this one other than talking about a million different angles to all of it i think that the biggest thing
Starting point is 00:56:23 you you're gonna have to figure it out. What's the most important? What are the most important things? I wouldn't write it down. I mean, she's listening to this anyway, so she's probably going to like me all that much after 10 minutes. I still think there's a way to compromise. And at this age, you're so young.
Starting point is 00:56:41 I don't think you need to... Maybe this is the most important thing, man. You're really young. You have an idea of what you want to do. It sounds like you have a lot of great things going on for you. You don't need to start mapping it out in pen. We haven't even graduated yet, you know, so
Starting point is 00:56:55 relax a little bit. Okay, this one's a little different. Friend won't let us into apartment. 30 642 40 pickup game centered around rebounding and tossing up threes. We'll try and be as short as possible. Have a fairly large friend group.
Starting point is 00:57:11 One of our lifelong 15 plus years friends had a baby earlier this year. While unexpected, we were all very supportive and happy for him. None of us knew his girlfriend very well before the baby came to the picture. We all did our best to welcome her in like we had known her our whole life. All of us in the friend group agreed to give them space during the first few months because we know how tough those months are on the parents.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Cut to Thanksgiving. With some time off, a handful of us tried to get together to go see the baby. Multiple friends over multiple trips were welcome to come over, but once we got there, each of us were met with the same thing, not being allowed to come into the apartment, even with gifts in hand. He could meet each of us at the door, make up an excuse, and explain they would be down in a minute to come outside. Mind you, all of this is taking place in a part of the country where it's been cold for a couple months now, which doesn't seem great for a baby. None of us know his fiance or her family particularly well. And this is not a friend to open up when something serious is going on. After each of us confirmed another one's stories, we came to the same conclusion.
Starting point is 00:58:14 This is weird behavior. Is it not? We've known this friend for over a decade. He was never overly concerned with COVID germs. And none, all caps of us, have been in his apartment he has lived in for over a year. I want to get your take on whether or not this is weird or are we just being paranoid? That's weird. That's weird. Now let's try to figure out
Starting point is 00:58:33 why it's happening. None of us know his now fiance or family particularly well. Okay, alright. Or her family particularly well. Alright, so you don't know. She could be an absolute high alert COVID person. With the baby, I think it's
Starting point is 00:58:49 understandable. I don't want to turn it into a big fucking COVID debate on what actually happens. It's a weird thing, man. Some people get it and some people don't. They can be the same fucking room. However, if you are as a new mom anti people coming over all the time, I think that's a pretty easy conclusion.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And I think it's something, even though it's weird, you'd have to respect that that's the path they want to go. And even if your buddy isn't wired like that, it doesn't matter how he's wired in this scenario. The mom with a new baby is going to win and he's just going to defer. the mom with a new baby is going to win. And he's just going to defer. If he has an IQ of 12, he's going to be letting her be like, okay, cool, no problem.
Starting point is 00:59:31 I don't want a million. You know what I mean? Right, Kyle? We're not even going to talk about it either. We're not even going to talk about it either. Now, could they be hoarders? And they just have newspaper stacks all over the place covered in cat piss?
Starting point is 00:59:47 Possible. We've seen some of the footage, right? You roll in and you're like, oh, cool, you have every daily news since 1971. And there's another cat. You know? Maybe they're slobs. Super embarrassed.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Don't want anybody to come over. To stand outside in the cold and then bring the baby out in the cold maybe counters all the COVID stuff. Because that was another part of this. Yeah, I was like, the baby's coming outside. I was like, wait, is the baby real?
Starting point is 01:00:17 But if the baby's outside, all right, the baby's real. Yeah. So the baby is real. We're good. Yeah. Would it be like, hey, she feels way better. She read an article about COVID where it's like if you bring your baby outside in the freezing temperatures, it's way better off than a heated house.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Maybe that's the other thing. Maybe one of the two doesn't agree on, doesn't believe in heating a home. Maybe she's holistic. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Energy bills going through the roof. Let's not have anybody over and complain about how cold it is. She's holistic. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Energy bills going through the roof.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Let's not have anybody over and complain about how cold it is. People can get fucking weird about their places. You know, it's not often, but I think most of us have like one person where you go, what do you do here? This is fucking weird. Yeah. So the being protective of the baby in front of strangers and with COVID everything, it feels like that whole theory gets shot to shreds because they bring the baby outside. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:01:11 I know what it is. What is it? I think she's, I mean, they're, they're moving, they moved in together. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:17 And they hadn't, hadn't really lived together too often before this probably. Right. Cause I said in the last year, that's what I'm guessing. I'm guessing. So, cause for me with my future wife, what we would call a fiance, when we first moved in, too often before this probably, right? Because I said in the last year, that's what I'm guessing. I'm guessing. So, because for me with my future wife,
Starting point is 01:01:28 what we would call a fiance, when we first moved in, I was always like, yeah, come over my house, guys. It's fine. And she was more of a like, no, I'm not really like inviting people over. Like I was allowed over, but she didn't have like friends over her house.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Just kind of wasn't, that wasn't her deal. So we kind of came together. It was when we finally moved into the same apartment i would like invite people over what she'd be at work she's like wait there were people in here today i was like yeah she's like my god look at this fucking place it's like i thought it looked all right but she had a different version of what a house looks like when there's company over so you know i'd have people swing by and they'd be like
Starting point is 01:02:01 they like she'd be home maybe even and they'd want to like come up for a second and i'd be like, they like, she'd be home maybe even, and they'd want to like come up for a second. And I'd be like, you know, I'll just meet you outside. I'll meet you outside because like, it's not my, like now you're here and I didn't broach it with her. We didn't talk about it. And now like, now she's going to be weird that somebody came in here and I didn't clean all day for it to happen. So I'll just meet you outside. It's happened before. I haven't invited people over like, Hey man, let's go, let's meet my baby. And then I'm like, just stay right out. I'll come to your car. But I think like maybe there's a version of that. Cause she's, my fiance has gotten a lot better with it over the years. And that's usually when they're like, sometimes they're friends that I know and she hasn't known. She's like, what's
Starting point is 01:02:36 going on right now? There's somebody that's coming in here about to judge me. And she's just like in her head about it. I'm not ever thinking about it, but she's just always like, how does my house look for a stranger? So that could be who this guy's girlfriend is. It's, it's unfortunate. Uh, if, if he's not going to even be able to work on it, cause I've actually been pretty proud of how far we've come with having people come over to the apartment and whatever. So, um, you know, it could just be that. I think it's got all the signs of him just being like, Hey man, I'll come down. I'll come down. And that's what it's got for me. Unless there's something weird and this baby's fake. And this was a, you know, a ploy for, you know, Marshall's gift cards. I don't know. It doesn't make sense unless she's just uncomfortable with
Starting point is 01:03:11 having people. Yeah. Unless she's just uncomfortable having people come in and see her house or maybe she doesn't feel safe when just, you know, strangers around. I'd say maybe you guys should try to like meet her out somewhere and maybe she'll be more comfortable. But I don't know. I think this is probably a larger problem that she's got. That's my guess. No, I read the email again. No one has ever been inside the apartment of the friends. They said they've known this guy for over a decade.
Starting point is 01:03:37 They didn't know her all that well. They have a baby. They bring over gifts. None of them are ever allowed inside. This feels more than just a COVID germ paranoia thing. I'd also offer this one up. Are they doing worse financially than the rest of the group? Because there can also be this kind of, you know, guilt isn't the right word. Shame of like, we're not doing that. Well,
Starting point is 01:04:05 our house sucks. Our apartment sucks. I'm it embarrasses me. It embarrasses her. Maybe I'm not embarrassed, but she's embarrassed. She doesn't want to, but then to continuously make everybody stand outside, give you baby gifts and then show the baby in the cold and no one's ever been inside. It's fucking weird. So we went hoarder. We went funds. We went germs. Anxiety, maybe. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:32 I mean, she could just straight up have some, you know, that's one of the things you always have to kind of like, especially now is become more aware of different challenges that people have. Maybe because we talk about it all the time, but. I would bring it up because if it's that easy easy he might be comfortable sharing that with his good friends to be like listen man i know this isn't the way i want it but it's the only way i can have a happy
Starting point is 01:04:52 life right now by appeasing her on this so maybe you guys will just get an answer if you just ask him uh because i don't know if he's been asked right that's the most important thing i don't even want to go in the house i just want to know why I can't go in. That's right. That's what someone as close as French would just go, I don't want to go in. I just need to know why I can't. What you need to do is you need to have a party, have all the core people get together.
Starting point is 01:05:18 You invite them. Make it mandatory. It has to be a way that's going to entice them. They bring the baby. And I think you'll get a good vibe check on that in the course of a little night activity and she ends up being like oh my god like she's the worst um then you'll probably have your answer you know and then maybe somebody could follow up with it but yeah i don't i know we're going to get a bunch of theories presented maybe they steal shit maybe they're running a Ponzi scheme, and there's multiple screens all over the place.
Starting point is 01:05:48 They're flipping coins that are worth nothing. Like 25 iPads in there? Yeah. I was like, oh, wow, you guys are reselling PlayStation 5s? Sort of. Off a truck. I don't know. Maybe they have a sex swing.
Starting point is 01:06:02 That's something else I've always thought. Right in the middle of the liver yeah we watch we watch povich we i don't know we get a sex swing and it sucks to take down and i don't want to take it down and she likes it in the living room because i feel like the joists are sturdier this house was built in 22 1922 we lucked out with this beam running right across the middle yeah Yeah, I don't think these are on 16-inch centers upstairs. There's all sorts of theories, but what you need to know
Starting point is 01:06:31 is the answer. Who cares about going in? You don't want to go in this house. I don't think any of you do. You just need to know. So get back to us. Is there a way they could figure it out?
Starting point is 01:06:42 No, not without wildly speculating, I don't think. I know what you do. Gift card to a person who is an exterminator. What if they don't have any issues? Pull a little sting here where you send the guys in to paint
Starting point is 01:06:58 the office of the Western Union to get them out of there. You need to have one of your non-core friends pretend he's a guy who's like, hey, you want to have one of one of your non-core friends pretend he's a guy he's like hey you want to save on your energy bill stanley steamer we got you a full vent cleaning right that's the gift card a full great idea h facts you guys are worried about germs h facts cleaned out no i like stanley steamer you buy the real gift card to stanley steamer guy but then you find the stanley steamer van guy later on and be like here's a 50 what the fuck is going on in there problem solved
Starting point is 01:07:30 what does it smell like in there dude what's happening what's going on like dude that household loves curry but i don't think the guy does i don't know what's going on all right today's life advice was brought to you by Chevy Silverado. Learn more about Chevy Silverado at Chevy.com. Thanks to Kyle for today's episode
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