The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Jon Ritchie on the Eagles and ESPN Days With Russillo. Plus, a Double-Length Life Advice

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

Russillo is joined by radio host and former NFL fullback Jon Ritchie to discuss Ritchie's time with the Eagles, great Gruden and Jim Harbaugh stories, Jalen Hurts's long-term prospects, NFC teams the Eagles should be worried about, working with Ryen at ESPN, and more (0:40). Then Ryen and Kyle give out their favorite bets for NFL Week 16 (45:30), before answering some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (48:11). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Jon Ritchie Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We finally got him. He's a tough get. He's a tough get. John Ritchie, former NFL player, now a host. WIP in Philadelphia. Got a big announcement coming up there with the lineup as well. You and I, I feel like we don't talk much. We didn't hang out much, but we're just buds.

We kind of get each other. So how's it going, man? like we don't talk much. We didn't hang out much, but we're just buds. We kind of get each other. So how's it going, man? It's good to see you. It's great to see you, Ryan. I do think we're kind of on the same wavelength on a lot of stuff. I'm really troubled right now because I can see the way I look, and I can never get over how gigantic my forehead is and how wide my face looks. Like I, I would love to wear a hat to cover that up. Uh, but when I put a hat like your hat,

I think your hat's gorgeous. If I were to put that, if I were to try to pull that down over this dome, it looks like a little yarmulke on the top. And it just doesn't work at all. You can still see the giant forehead thing. And I don't ever really examine the forehead like I can examine it right now. So I'm a little bit distracted. I'm sorry about that. That's fine.

But you look good. Yeah, this is pretty standard. I don't have a huge head. I kind of is pretty standard. I'm not, I don't have a huge head. I kind of lucked out on, you know, I'd rather have hair, but if I wasn't going to like somebody the other day, it was like, you actually have a pretty decent shape. It was almost like, Hey, for somebody that's stupid, you're not that you're not that dumb was kind of the tone shape compliment. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, well, that is nice. You know, that's you. You edge me in that area also because I have shaved my head one time when I was, I think, going into sixth grade.

And not only did I discover I had a giant Gorbachev birthmark on the back of my head, like a big red splotch. But I noticed that my head has lumps all over it where it shouldn't like you have a nice smooth dome you know like there's a nice curvature like the earth thank you it's like it's it's like everest and then you've got like little i don't know like little mini mountains off the sides lumps everywhere squamish it's like what's that squamish off to the side yeah yeah sure exactly it's a lot like uh at the end of return of the jedi when luke takes darth vader's helmet off and you're just aghast you're like oh look at that head. Look at it. It's lumpy and pasty white and scarred. Go check it out. That's what my head looked like when I shaved it going into sixth grade. So I knew never to

do it again. You also used your head as a battering ram for a good 15 years. That's part of the problem. It was 20 years. I just speared people uh and now they know to tell people not to do that that was never the instruction when i was playing it was always just put your face on you know lead with your face get it in there that's a good hit so yeah i was like rewarded for doing that and i was further maiming my physical appearance. So you can't wear a hat. What size head are you? Well, that's the thing. It, it's not the size of my head size is probably like a seven and five eighths. So the hat, the hat fits, but it's like my face is so gigantic beneath the brim

It's like my face is so gigantic beneath the brim that it looks unseemly. You know, like my face would be squishing out the sides beyond where the brim is. Like yours is not, like the brim is wider than your face. My face is wider than the brim. So it just looks, it's wrong. It's an awful look i don't know how interesting this is everybody but as i check you out now in your lair by the way i don't know what the hell's going on in the background uh yeah it is my uh how are you never cast in game of thrones to be one of the wildlings how are you not in this stuff this is you know i wouldn't say this about many people this is a no-brainer for you this is your next

career so i'm not trying to bum out wip but like you should be in these shows you are a real life viking and you're actually big and that's some 5-8 guy from essex yeah well i mean i would love it i just don't even know where to start with that uh My days are full of watching the Philadelphia sports teams, and I never have a chance to branch out. Where do you begin? Well, actually, you are a lot closer to where all that begins, I guess, being on the West Coast, Hollywood stuff. I'll start putting feelers out for you.

I mean, obviously, all my stuff is going great. Please do, because I don't know where to start. Okay, let's get to those Philly teams. You played for the Eagles for a couple of years. By the way, these stats are incredible. Looking them up again. Do you know how many rushing attempts you had in your two seasons with the Eagles?

One. One in 19 games seasons with the Eagles? One. One in 19 games. I remember it too. I remember it distinctly. And that was when I was in Oakland, when I first started playing in Oakland, Gruden would actually give me the ball a few times. And then there was a game up in the Kingdome in Seattle. It was like Sunday night football. I didn't even realize at the

time that that was a big deal. He gave me the ball going in on the one yard line. I second effort, I'm spinning around, throw, you know, the ball bounces out. Our right tackle, Daryl Ashmore recovers it for a touchdown. And I'm that's pretty cool you know like we scored anyway I I got to like help out my buddy I didn't think it was a problem I got to the sideline and Gruden grabbed me by the face mask he said Richie you will never carry the ball for me again and I swear I I promise you he made good on that assurance he never never gave me the ball again. I want to say I had like 14 carries as a, as a rookie or something. Uh, he, he hated me with the ball in my hands. He'd throw me the ball. He wouldn't hand it off to me. When I got to Philadelphia, Andy Reed

actually threw me a bone one time. And I think I gained gained one yard I had forgotten how to run with the football at that point in time it it takes practice I was just you know like a little mini guard working my way through the line of scrimmage to block people I didn't know how to run any longer with the rock in my hand yeah you'd fit in perfectly today because i looked up who was the leading fullback rusher yeah no one would ever get it's derrick watt six carries for 17 yards 218th in the nfl rushing yards that's the leading rusher at fullback but it's so different now like the fullback that's what i mean nobody runs the fullbacks you're right they don't play the position anymore forget running they don't even include the position on the field any longer. You know, back then, back in the 90s and early 2000s,

the fullback was in for 95% of the snaps. Now the fullback is in for 20% of the snaps when you're in goal line and short yardage. It used to be we would go to E, personnel, E, E, which means when we're go to E, personnel, E, E, which means you pull the tight, when we're going two minute offense, you go E, you pull the tight end off the field to put another wide receiver in and you keep both backs and you split them in the backfield so you have better pass protection. The fullback, you can always catch the ball every once in a while. I mean,

I couldn't go anywhere with it after I caught it because I, again, lost the ability to run with the football. But we were weapons in the passing game once upon a time. So before we get to this year's Eagles, which again, I mean, I knew this was going to happen. What was Harbaugh like the first, was it his first year as an assistant? I think he'd been there for a couple years before I got there.

I loved John Harbaugh. No, didn't you have Jim? I'm backing up to Jim in Oakland. Oh, back to Jim. I loved Jim Harbaugh, for that matter. I think he was just getting started as an assistant and i've of course like i was a jim harbaugh fan uh having watched him at michigan and then i went to michigan for a year and a half and then you know watching him uh like i don't plan for the the cold so watching him just i don't know he was tough, Jim used to, when I was with the Raiders,

he was an offensive assistant and no one could believe how little he slept. Like he had a cot in the, in the film room that he would actually sleep on like a little fold out cot because all he did for 23 and a half hours a day was break film down and somehow he was still like a normal, functional human being. I don't know if normal is ever the first. True. Good

point. Well, we thought that he was the way he was because he was like never sleeping. But it turns out he's just very unique, but just so tough minded. You know, like I,

I really admire him and you can't argue with the success. My gosh, the guy is unbelievable. Did he have a hard time with you transferring from Michigan to Stanford? Oh no. Well, I mean, he didn't know.

I, I don't, I doubt it. Uh, like he was, he was at Michigan long before I was. Yeah. I know, but I, I mean, he didn't know. I doubt it. He was at Michigan long before I was. Yeah, I know. He probably never knew. Jim is so locked in to Jim's world. I don't know if he ever realized that we had some commonality. He was amazingly focused.

Amazingly focused. His brother was a really cool coach too, by the way. Okay, so talk about John. John Harbaugh is an amazing guy. John Harbaugh, I don't know, a little bit more social than Jim. That's not saying much, but yeah. but no john harbaugh just an unbelievable uh unbelievable coach because like he was back then this is like early 2000s he was trying to go in

different directions now you hear about all these nfl coaches they try to think outside the box and they'll show videos and clips from movies to try to keep guys interest like back when i was playing back in the the old days john harbaugh was like hey do you have monty python and i think it was on like whatever it was dvd do you have the dvd of monty python and the holy grail because i want to show the guys something. I was like, I just so happen to have that, John. So I would be sharing CDs with John Harbaugh and DVDs with John Harbaugh all the time. And then he would incorporate them in the meetings. And I thought that was the coolest thing ever.

Okay, the reason I'm bringing this up, you play for Gruden, you play for Andy Reid. And I thought that was the coolest thing ever. Okay, the reason I'm bringing this up, you play for Gruden, you play for Andy Reid, and you're looking at Sirianni coming in, and his first impression isn't great. And I think sometimes people can forget, like, people are so afraid, some people are, of public speaking. And then we're like, well, a head coach should never be that way. Like, look, his first presser wasn't a great first impression. But if you talk to anybody that was connected to him, had played for him, were like, look, his first presser wasn't a great first impression. But if you talk to anybody that was connected to him, had played for him,

were like, dude, I'm telling you, Sirianni, he's just the same every time. People absolutely love this guy. And now it's worked. And they've shown not only can they coach talent, they can adapt to their own talent and kind of change what they've done in developing of Hurts. What's it like being in that? I don't know what kind of connection you still have to the team but what's that been

like from your perspective both as a former player but now a media member in the city uh there were all sorts of uh people we were we've never seen anything like nick sirianni's initial press conference it was incredibly stupid like it, uh, clueless with the way he was coming across that none of us could imagine that this guy actually knew his way around a football field. Uh, he has, and if someone would have told me, Hey, this guy is really sharp. would have told me, hey, this guy is really sharp. Just look past the buffoonery, the way he's unable to communicate with people. He's really a good coach. No one in Philadelphia would have believed it. No one was giving him a chance. And the truth of the matter is these players, man, they respond to him, but it's for, it's for different reasons. Uh, they know he's

sincere and he is unbelievably sharp in areas that I'd never thought of. Uh, you, you find a little bit out a little bit out a little bit out. Like Zach Ertz was talking about how in film sessions last season with Nick Sirianni, uh, Nick would always put the numbers of the guys who had MAs, missed assignments, on the practice tape or on the game tape when they would review it as an offense. This seems like such a small thing, but I've never seen it. I've never thought of this concept. And Zach Gertz is on record saying, man, all he could think of was, I never want to let my teammates down. I never want to do the wrong thing because I don't want to have my number up there during the film session. And that's a real thing. That is accountability. And you've boiled it down into such a simplistic concept. Like you out. They call guys out. They're honest with one

another. They challenge one another every day. And everyone responds to this. You got competitive guys in that locker room. And they all love the way their coach is trying to fight the officials on the sideline, trying to fight the other coaches, yelling at the other players. They respect him, even though we as Philadelphia fans did not because he couldn't enunciate properly when he first took the job. Incidentally, he's gotten a lot better with the, you know, press conference stuff and their PR department does an amazing job and you know the rest is history he's no one no one second guesses his press conferences any longer no one nitpicks the you know vernacular that he uses when he's up there in front of the media talking any longer

because the guy knows his stuff and those players they worship them uh it's funny because sometimes when a guy's too good at the press conference then i'm more worried yeah that's a good where i'm like a little too slick yeah i was like why are you so polished at talking you know you can hold it against them too okay then give me your jalen hurts timeline timeline of first impressions to what do we have to what he is this year, which it probably took me later. It certainly took me later that Eagles fans are rooting for this outcome. But after that Titans game, I just went, I think it's all there. I just think it's all there now.

And you feel like you now have a guy behind center for 10 years. And that's kind of the standard of them thinking about, hey, you had a nice run. What's going on? You've got these receivers. What's going on? After that Titans game, I go, I don't know that I'm going to standard of them thinking about, hey, you had a nice run. What's going on? You've got these receivers. What's going on? Like after that Titans game, I go, I don't know that I'm going to question this anymore with him, which is a massive departure from who I thought he was coming out of Alabama. Yeah, I would say.

Oklahoma too, right? Both, yes. It was split in the Philadelphia fan base heading into this season, you had a contingent who thought that maybe he could give you enough to get you to the divisional round of the playoffs. And then you had half the fan base who thought this guy stinks and we need to go sign Russell Wilson or Aaron Rogers or someone else who's a legitimate thrower of the football. My timeline was I thought he could always keep us in a game to start this season. I thought this guy will always give us a chance because he can do so much with his legs, but I'm just not sold that he can pinpoint guys downfield,

and I'm not sold that he's got an arm that can, you know, do what Josh Allen does or just the, the beautiful, like heart stopping throws that are just a flick. Jalen can't do that. But what Jalen has done is he's, man, he's worked out the mechanics of throwing a football with Nick Sirianni and with his staff, with his offensive staff, to where his footwork is impeccable, the mechanics of throwing the football are impeccable, so much so that he had a separated AC joint in this last game and he was dropping them and dropping dimes 45 yards down the field. This season, he's been obviously lights out throwing the ball and no one thought that he would get to the point where he could be as accurate as he's been throwing guys open but

i think more than anything that his anticipation his understanding of defenses his you know conceptualization of what opposing defensive coordinators are trying to do to stop him, he's brilliant. He's a brilliant young player who's got the toughness and the want to and the sheer physicality along with an arm that is more than adequate, especially with the impeccable mechanics that he employs now that he's worked on this so hard this entire offseason. I think I was sold after the first month of the year. It was like I couldn't believe what I was seeing week after week.

And finally, after a month, it was like, OK, this guy's not going to regress. He continues to ascend. He's evolving and he's better now than he was in the first week of this NFL season. Jalen Hurts is legit. And everyone in Philadelphia thinks that it's a travesty that he now, because he's being held out of this game against the Cowboys, it's likely that his numbers won't hold up against Patrick Mahomes for the MVP battle. And it's likely that just like everyone thought Carson Wentz should get the MVP in 2017, but got hurt and didn't, that it's a repeat of that where Jalen Hurts deserves the MVP, but he won't get it

because now he's being held out with the uh shoulder separation with the shoulder sprain yeah i you know normally this would have been kind of a preview against the cowboys the cowboys first time around didn't have dac and you know i think it was pretty clear philadelphia was a better team maybe the dallas kind of you know towards the end made it more competitive uh that feels like one of those final scores you look back on and be like oh that was a good game and you're like i don't know um you know lane got hurt in that game too right so i didn't remember that i know i didn't feel like much of a contest yeah but again it was cooper rush right it's cooper it's so stacked so that's not what the kid so i don't know if you i don't know what this game

means now i don't know what it means because there's a bigger, hey, are you not even close to it? Let me ask it this way. Rank the other teams in the NFC that you're worried about in the playoffs. I mean, the 49ers, their scoring defense, they are unbelievable. So you got to worry. I would say I'm most worried about the 49ers if they can decode things and you know what what the bears did last week against this philadelphia offense where they were given jalen hurts pull reads you know with the the read option stuff

they were crashing hard on the back and giving him a pull read. You know, basically, you can't give it to that back because they'll get obliterated in the backfield. So you got to keep it and we're going to strike you because you're the ball carrier. That's what the Bears did. I worry so much that the 49ers, if we face them, they'll do the same thing and they will punish Jalen to where he ends up with separated shoulder or something and can't finish the game. Although I do think he would finish the game because he did against the Bears, but he's going to get beat up against that San Francisco team. And then I don't know, like after the 49ers, like I don't think the Vikings are that good. I heard that a few times this year.

I think the Cowboys are talented, but I think they're a roller coaster. And Dak is somehow making incredibly dumb decisions with the ball, and he's not throwing it as well as, as I've seen him throw in the past. It really does feel like, I think the city of Philadelphia feels like we are the team to beat in the NFC and that nine out of 10 times, we're going to beat every other team in the NFC when we're asked to play them

in the postseason. So no one's really that worried about anybody. So NFC, so AFC, you're saying like, you're not even afraid of Buffalo or Kansas city. Well, okay. AFC is different. Okay. All right. All right.

Cause I thought I understood the answer. I think I understand. We're on the same page. Right. Just making sure. Yeah. Yeah. NFC. It feels on the same page. NFC, not worried. Just making sure. NFC, it feels like we're good. AFC, the Bills, of course,

and Andy Reid and the Chiefs, they are just really going to be a problem. But, hey, that's the Super Bowl. And we're talking about the Super Bowl, man. This is... You think about that, that's unbelievable. Jalen Hurts, who half the fan base wanted gone at the start of the year,

they preferred Russell Wilson over Jalen Hurts. Now we have a young quarterback who for the next decade is going to be the guy. They're going to sign him up after this season ends uh with one of these 50 million dollar a year contracts and we'll have a worse team around him but he'll continue to improve because he does value the importance of work ethic and everything else and uh howie roseman continues to defy logic and do an incredible job at restocking a team. I'm thrilled with the way it looks. Hey, you look really swole up, man. Are you powerlifting now? What's the deal?

I got a little beef here. How much do you weigh? I'm 235 right now. Holy cow. You weigh more than I do. I'm a slight little frail. Yeah, I'm a tender, frail little 215 pounder. If I had to rank.

235? If I had to rank the 10 people I don't want to fight at ESPN when we were all there together, I don't know who I would put ahead of you. I think you can take everyone, man. Two 35s? No, no, no. You got like an eight pack now? No, you know what happened is I went a little hard on the ab stuff too,

but I just don't want to cut down to like 220 even though maybe i'd have them so like on the right day you can see the four what happens is i'm catching myself in some profiles like if i've got a hoodie on and i'm walking to get myself some lunch i've got that kind of like weird ab thing now where i look like i have a gut because it's protruding yeah i i think that actually like when i see that and this is just from being in a lot of locker rooms like i think that denotes a powerful individual when they got like the the one pack but it kind of sticks out i'm telling you yeah but there's players those bottom two those bottom two abs we don't know that we're

ever going to see those and so i don't want to i don't want wait so let's let's revisit this you're completely overrating me as far as like what you've done and you're a wrestler so let's not even pretend i sucked at wrestling i i mean yeah but you wrestled and you played fullback in the nfl i wrestled but i was know, I ended up playing high school basketball. I was bad enough that I wrestled only until I got to high school and I was bad. I mean, I wasn't bad, but what was your record? I was heavy. I have no idea.

I was too young. I won. I would win because I was the heavyweight weight class. And back then, that meant I was wrestling like the overweight kids. And it was like I'd put them in a half Nelson and just roll them over and I'd win. But I ended up playing basketball instead when I was in high school. And I was terrible at basketball. Like I couldn't shoot to save my life.

You obviously don't know what that's like i couldn't i don't know it it still eludes me the concept of like repeating the same motion time and again and perfecting it like that wasn't me i was more like i just want to put my butt on you and box you out and try not to foul out in the first quarter all right because i i will i want to stay with this because you think about the years already espn for those that don't know like richie and i we should have done this more but every now and then it'd be like hey i'm staying this weekend and i'd be like all right let's come up to west harford we play video games and then we walk through town we did a couple times we listened to mastodon super late at night

uh good times miss those days but i'm trying, like, Saturday, who had maybe the highest approval of any former athlete in the makeup room, he's so jovial, you may not take him seriously. And he's slimmed down quite a bit, too. So he was always kind of a small-bodied offensive lineman, if that makes any sense. So I don't know that there's a ton. I don't know the fear factors there with Saturday when we were there. Well, he's got gorgeous eyes, though. Unbelievable. So that really ups the intimidation quotient.

I mean, those eyes can be not only gorgeous and doe-like, but he can make them crazy. You know, if he gives... He's like, I call him lighthouse eyes. I know. It's just like a dark day. He would make you feel better, but then you're like, what the hell's going on underneath those?

What about, I think Woody has a mean streak. I think Booger would be upset if we don't mention him. We can't mention Booger first. Booger's whole body is so fucking weird that I couldn't imagine trying to fight somebody whose back is the size of rhode island yeah dude i i just can't imagine fighting anyone anymore i i've gotten it's it's all been beaten out of me i i just i'm i'm pacifistic at this point oh you know who I would Hugh Douglas when he was there I was like nope you just signed on I know WIP he's coming back Hugh yeah Hugh uh he will get

you man Hugh I got fined for blocking Hugh uh back in did? And I still hold it against him. I didn't know you guys got fined back then. Man, he's unpredictable. That's the thing. He'll get you. I'm trying to think who else. Any of the basketball guys? Antonio Davis, maybe? Well, they got the reach.

They can keep you at bay. I've had bad experiences with the reach thing. You know, back in the day, it was against a guy like Simeon Rice. Remember Simeon Rice? Yeah, Illinois. It's or Javon curse. It's my job to go try to block these defensive ends. And because their arms were long, they could do like the little kid brother thing

where they just like, I can't even get anywhere close to them. So reach really does matter. And those basketball guys could pepper you. I mean, they could just tap, tap, tap. I mean, you'd be out. You'd get nowhere close. Regardless of how swole you are at 235.

Yeah, but I mean, Antonio Davis, you're not going to get to him. He was a massive human being. I'm just trying to think like Darren Woodson was always Darren Woodson looked like he could go play. But people might mistake the fact that they think he's too pretty. You know, he just didn't age. He's a pretty dude. He always smelled good. Pretty guys, man. Some real pretty guys. I mean, you and I are not included.

No. Wow. I mean, really, getting back to Jeff Saturday's eyes, case in point. Can't stop talking about. I can't. Oh, I know who we need to put in this group. You know who would kick a lot of ass? It's Schlereth.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, if his body would allow it. He'd have to get a surgery after it, no doubt. Several surgeries afterwards, but he'd never give in. afterwards but he would he he'd never give in he'd fight you to the to the last breath uh clamp on and and never let go he was tough he also has beautiful eyes this podcast is totally we should have just ranked the eyes instead of tough i know i know whose eyes are the worst all right so wait so who is the because you know every time you can go bad eyes man because that like yeah that's that's

harsh i mean that's the kind of thing you you don't ever forget if someone says you've got like an ugly set of eyes i mean how do you how do you live that down? You can't recover. I don't think we want to go there. No. All right. Yeah, smart. Very smart. Thanks. Whenever there's a tight end that stays in to block the defensive end,

social media loses their mind. So are you telling me that you are better equipped to block defensive ends than tight ends? No. You know, no. um no i you know no tight ends actually are usually the longer than i am uh you know i'm a little more compact and that's why i was never called a tight end because i was squatty uh although not as squatty as the current fullbacks because I'm you know like six two and a half but anytime you put a back or a receiver with which a tight end technically qualifies as on a defensive end it is a mismatch and I do think it's a mistake but in the west coast offense there were plays like q8 you know sprint right option

the catch play you know joe montana dwight clark uh where the offset back blocks that end man on the line of scrimmage and that very well could be a defensive end but built into the play is you're supposed to be chopping the guy to get his hands down so it's a little bit easier than trying to pass protect up high you a back should never block a defensive end in pass protection and a tight end should never be able to do that because that's their specialty and that's why they get paid really the mega bucks. It is unfair. They got a whole repertoire of moves, kung fu and everything.

They're great at that. Yeah, especially some of these bigger tight ends, too, that are basically like wide receivers the way they're used. They're not in line all the time. That's why I still kind of prefer Gronk just because of the history with him, but that he could, if you wanted him to stay in and block all day, he would murder people. And then it's like, okay, well, no. Yeah, he's seriously the best ever on top of being this absolute matchup nightmare. Is there somebody you block for an entire game?

You're too nice. I don't know if you'll answer this. Is there a game where you just did actually own somebody, though, and it was almost funny over the course of the day. Um, no, but well, yeah, but like, and you know, it too, like, you know, and you know, you're breaking him and you know that he does not want 93 week to be called again because of body language. Like, okay okay tell us then tell us who it is tell us the story eventually there was there was uh like you know like line will will

linebacker coming up to take on the iso block and he would just turn out of out later yeah he turns back to you you know like that's that's embarrassing that's bad uh i can think of that happening you really want me to name a name if you really don't want to i don't want you to do it i just like the stories that's all so i i know you're very okay i can remember i can remember there was there was you know there have been like five miracles at the meadowlands in philadelphia sports lore the first was herman edwards and then you had uh geez i really like three more one of them was brian westbrook returning a punt this was 2003 i think for a touchdown to win the game at the end our offense did nothing that day but we did run 93 week a lot which is the weak side iso and that linebacker was the honey jones and I do believe I owned him that day. And then I got to be, I got to be teammates with them.

So like we could talk trash about that and discuss it. So I feel okay saying that now, but I don't think, uh, I don't think it happened often, but I felt, I felt so supremely great about myself when I knew that I physically assaulted someone to the point where they wanted to quit. And, dude, I can remember another game. When I was in Oakland and we came and played in Philadelphia in 2001, we ran the ball like 48 or 49 times. And Trot. That was Jeremiah Trotter, didn't come back from halftime. And I like to think it's because too many isos from me. It's probably wrong.

Like he probably, I don't know, something else happened. Like he got injured elsewhere yeah but you and i've talked about this didn't didn't you kind of lose consciousness in the game yeah probably uh that that would happen often and i had i had sort of a protocol like to get back to the huddle listen to my my part of the play, you know, the formation and the side and, and, you know, get back into my three point stance. And then by the time the ball was about to be snapped, like my eyes would stop crossing and I could get back on. That was the, that was a game when I got back to the West coast. Uh, the, uh, my, she was my fiance at the time uh looked me in the eyes and said

you just took five years off your life i can't i can't see you where are you in there so games like that you do kind of you do kind of you worry about what you've done to yourself. But that game is the game that all the guys on the Philadelphia Eagles wanted to talk about when I was an unrestricted free agent and I moved from Oakland to Philadelphia. everyone on the my new phillies teammates wanted to talk about how awesome a butt whooping that 20 to 10 win was for my raider team it was the physical dominance that you see from you know like the the 49ers defense that i truly appreciate uh and you don't see as often anymore in the NFL. You do see it from the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line at times. You do see it from, man, spectacular play from the Eagles right tackle,

spectacular run blocking from the Eagles left guard, Landon Dickerson, Jason Kelsey. We got got we've got some bad asses up front that was a little transition back to the Eagles because I felt like we were getting a little bit too much into me knocking myself uh knocking years off of my own life with the lead iso okay well let's do. Let's talk about something completely different as we finish up here on a lighter note, bad transition.

Uh, are you a radio head guy? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It sounds like a no. Okay. I like radio head.

I'm not a radio header. Now I understand that a lot of people who are radiohead fans, they can tell you the order of songs on album after album. I'm not one of those guys. Like, I'll play Creep on my guitar. I appreciate their music. But it's not like I am with Jimi Hendrix that I've listened to album after album so many times that they've been inculcated into my unconscious mind. Okay. All right.

Because I'm going to see The Smile tonight in LA, which is Tom York and Greenwood. So two of the members. And then I'm really excited about it. I was offered radio hit tickets in Montreal by my girlfriend at the time in my early 20s. And I was like, I don't know if I want to go to Montreal with you. And that was a huge mistake because I missed out on Radiohead. She was way more mature and way cooler than I was. And I was just an asshole.

So I've regretted for whatever reason, like I'll go through these lulls of not being like, you know, you should see at least see him once. So it's a smaller venue. I'm pretty excited. But I know you're more of a Mastodon guy. I did go get to see Maston again in la and did you mosh it up because you probably rocked people no i didn't i didn't i really how did you not how do you restrain yourself all you know swolled up you didn't try to get close it's about the music uh i walked through it i walked through it it's about the music but how do you like it it sparks something inside of you where you just get

that aggression and you're filled up with this all fair all fair points just never really uh you know it it wasn't i just feel like I'm too old, you know, I don't want to be in there. And especially like you really catch a stray of some young buck. And then you're like, okay, well now, now what I'm going to do,

like, well, you're the one that was in here. The other thing that was weird is my buddy, Eric Chenoweth, who played at Kansas and he's friends with the guys in Massadown. He's friends with the guys at tool. So that's why I get access to like these concerts.

So he's brought me to tool and I've gotten to see it from this unbelievable i'm really lucky so you know again this i don't want this to sound like uh i'm bragging it was just unbelievable and he's seven he's like seven two plus he's we went to 311 oh yeah oh yeah yeah i'll send you the picture of us backstage yeah holy cow i'm i'm fascinated but like how do you live how is it possible to live and fit it anywhere at seven two i that really is remarkable fascinated you never see a seven two guy i mean aside from watching nba stuff yeah he's just walking around the every day is not normal uh for for those guys people lose their shit when they see him and listeners of the podcast have heard me talk about this but it's it's almost worth it like he's a friend it's great but it's also this added

entertainment of getting to see everybody else but then it also can get really fucking annoying if you're just leaving and then people come up as if they're the only person to come up to them. When we went to 311 recently, we hadn't really got to hang out because I was with some people, he was with somebody else. And then he's friends with all these musicians.

I guess musicians have a thing for 7'2 guys. Everyone has a thing for 7'2 guys. You know what're everyone has a thing for seven foot two guys you know what that's the moral that's that you're right it's true if you're seven two you got not a worry in the world because everyone will love you and they want to talk to you and they want to you know hang off your arm hey really take pictures seven two, man. It's, it's a, it's a blessed, cursed life. Yeah, no, it's a lot. It's a lot to process there. I don't think, I don't know. I mean,

seven, two would be a lot, you know, skinny jeans. You can't go to rag and bone and get a fit too. It's not going to happen for you, but it's a great excuse to just wear the same thing every day i would appreciate that imagine you show up to like major closings and sweatpants and be like you know what and everyone's cool with it yeah he's la la you can wear sweatpants to everything okay big news for richie uh he and joe to camera they're gonna be going to the mornings on wip they're the afternoons right now after the Eagles season is over. So whether that's early to playoffs, doesn't feel like it out of Philly, or the

winners of the Super Bowl, these guys will be moving to mornings. Richie is my bud. I love getting to hang with you. We got to do it more often, and I'd gladly come on with you guys in the morning in Philly as well. We're going to call on you. We love you. I love you. I miss you like the Dickens. You look great. I mean, really, you. We love you. I love you. I miss you like the Dickens.

You look great. I mean, really. You look intimidating, man. Intimidating, which is good. That's a good thing. It's good to see you. I think you're overselling a little bit, but I'll defer to you on this one.

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See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Every Friday, we started off before Life Advice with our FanDuel weekly pick contest. before life advice with our fan duel weekly pick contest. Uh, Kyle updated the standing. So I don't know about this week after last week. Uh, not good,

not good for me. I can tell you that. All right. Do you want to go first, buddy? Yeah. Um, this is a week that I just don't care. I don't think I should have to do this anymore,

but it's a long season. It's not, and it's almost over. So we'll finish it. Um, build through the Patriots, uh, against his pick for the first time all season. And like said i just don't care so i'm taking the patriots

plus 148 uh against the bangles i mean it can't get can't get worse than last week so um plus 148 uh just to outright win against the bangles okay uh outright winners Okay. Outright winners. We are on the Pats, as you pointed out. The most bet game by the public, the number of bets, not money, is Cincinnati minus three at Foxborough. So we will take New England, which opened at plus one. We'll now take them at plus three. I like it. Only 25% of the bets there.

Okay. Eagles opened at plus one and a half. Uncertainty about Hertz, now that we know. It didn't look like Philly was going to be favored at Dallas if everybody were healthy. I mean, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that one. The open at one and a half was the uncertainty around Hurts, which is a weird storyline in itself where

Hurts had the broken collarbone and then it was immediately shot down that it was a sprain. And then, of course, you have to never let anyone know so they have to prepare for Minshew and Hertz, which I think is completely overrated at times, maybe in that case a little bit differently. But right now, it appears 72% of the public

is still very happy betting Philadelphia. Maybe a lot of people are not realizing Hertz is out. I know that sounds insane, but, you know, look. So we're going to take the Cowboys minus four at home. It's four and a half, four for wherever you want to shop for it. So we'll take the minus four and FanDuel 28% of the bets on Dallas. And finally, 71% of the bets on Detroit at Carolina. Not shocking.

The number's gone from this one's completely swung around here. Detroit has favored by two and a half. We will take Carolina plus two and a half. So Pats by 2.5. We will take Carolina plus 2.5. So, Pats plus 3 at home. Cowboys minus 4 at home. Panthers plus 2.5 at home. Go Pats. Go Pats. There you go. Not giving up, Kyle. You can't keep this

man down, even though we've just witnessed one of the most devastating losses of all time. You want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine.

And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. All right, life advice. The email is lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. We don't normally do this but we snuck this one in here we're not a travel uh channel although we can be at times we've done it once or twice before yeah we're more international yelp i don't know what that is

do you know what overseas yelp is i don't know okay uh so we got this one through we're gonna let kyle take the floor here our guy checking2", 185, 8.1 handicap index. That's something I don't want to pick up any momentum. We're good right now with the lifting stats, even then. Not quite sure why, but yeah, we don't need anybody's handicap. We're good for you. The HIIT class is three times a

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That's pretty good. Yeah. Kyle, the family and I will randomly be staying in Poughkeepsie on our way to Lake Placid. Any recommendations for family-friendly dinner

breakfast options? So, go for it. Is it summertime? I guess it doesn't matter if we're talking breakfast. Yeah, there's actually a lot of there's a lot of new new that's right a lot of new places opening up it's actually summer saying it's become a hotbed the market's still on fire so uh a lot of interesting stuff going on they're trying testing a new power grid out um which you know there's

some interesting articles online as well maybe somebody will be able to tell you more about it when you're there. But Big Tomatoes, just a little luncheonette. Are you a big fan of the luncheonette, Ryan? I didn't even know what a luncheonette was until I went there. Like the diners? Old school diners? Like a smaller diner. It's just like a little bar,

and the guy's cooking stuff almost in your face. I don't know if that's what a luncheonette is, but that's what this one is called, tomato luncheonette and it's just like two griddles and it's like basically the food's getting made almost it's like hibachi but not at all like you know what i mean it's luncheonette the original chef's table yeah that's right uh so that's great for breakfast i don't know if you want to cram like like if you're a group of five or six i don't know if you want to do that it's good it's good like sunday up to get five stools yeah yeah yeah it's good sunday. It's tough to get five stools.

It's a good Sunday morning, what happened yesterday kind of place. There's a couple great diners. A couple great diners that are still there. Acropolis Diner. That'd be weird if you were saying that to your kids under four. Dude, last night. You were crazy last night. Sorry, I slept in your bed. Insert joke there. Go ahead.

Main Street's fun. There's a lot of... Just go down to the, like, waterfront Main Street. There's a lot of stuff that's buzzing. Breakfast time. Love a good lunch

at the River Station. Great swordfish steak, even though it's more of a dinner sort of deal. But there's a lot of stuff happening down by the river. I would just say go down there. Okay, down by the river

and the luncheonette. Okay. Big tomato. Big tomato. All right. All right. Let's talk a few relationships. Let. Big tomato. Big tomato. All right. All right. Let's talk a few relationships. Let's fire a couple off here.

This one's rather specific. Surprise prenup. Hello, gentlemen. As an avid listener of the podcast with a couple commonalities between us, I'm a UVM alum, okay, who currently works at a college in Poughkeepsie. Man, Poughkeepsie is on fire today.

Yeah. Uh, he said it's the slummy one with the cool kids, Kyle. That's probably Maristan, right? Don't know. I don't know.

He might want to keep this. He's probably given up too much already, but, uh, just community college. Got it. Life advice has become the opposite of witness protection program. Okay.

So I've been thrust upon a unique life situation to use some sage advice. It's a precursor. However, some details about myself, six, three, two, 27 bench, one 85 squat, 15 reps each. Okay. I've never attempted any math. We got it. Okay. For additional background, I've been fortunate enough to meet and propose to the woman of

my dreams. We dated for six years who also works in education and we're roughly the same age, late 30s. She comes from a loving family, only child, with her father being a prominent figure in law enforcement for decades and has done very well for himself. He retired two years ago. Now, my dilemma, we were engaged last summer

with our wedding date scheduled for next Saturday. That's next week. Oh my God. Well, I always thought a prenup agreement would be on the table was okay with the idea, generally speaking. I never received anything in that matter until today. So I guess he sent this email middle of the week. So 10 days before the wedding from my future father-in-law, not even my fiance. He stated that this was, quote, routine and, quote, standard order contract and, quote, finally

get around to it. This, obviously, blindsided me, but I did not, or excuse me, but I did contact a firm that specializes in matrimonial law, and they explained that the contract would be non-binding since it's been received less than 30 days.

Wow, this guy actually did some serious prep work. Freelaw.net? I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's sort of- Is that true, man? I don't know. That's sort of fucked. I mean, again, I don't know.

If you sign it with your left hand, does it not count? Like, that doesn't sound great. I don't know. Less than 30. It's not an eviction notice, right? Imagine not knowing that, and then you're like, oh, by the way, that prenup that I signed and never said anything about,

because you guys never said anything about it until a week and a half before the wedding it's completely invalid so i'd like to divorce you again you know we're not rooting for that we wouldn't know of course that happened okay so furthermore they also describe details of the agreement or anything but standard order and strongly advise me not to sign anything naturally i would love to tell my future father in law to fuck off but we are so far along with the wedding process, not to mention the life we built together, that I don't know if it's the best course of action. This is a tough one.

I was able to talk to my future question mark wife about this, which she admitted to having prenup conversations with her father, but no arrangements were made, much less presenting it in this fashion. I feel like this is getting lengthy, so I can elaborate if need be, but I appreciate it. I think we got it. Said it's been a whirlwind day. Yeah, that kind of blows. All right, let me just back up. Prenups in general. If I marry somebody and they have way more money than me and want me to sign a prenup, I have no problem with it. Zero. I wouldn't want anybody else's money. I just wouldn't operate that way. And I would say on the other side,

if I at one point am rolling in cash and I marry somebody, which doesn't seem all that likely, but if I did, there's a prenup coming. It doesn't mean you don't love the person. It's simply trying to put yourself in that mental space of like, if this doesn't work out, oh, and you brought nothing to the table financially, you know, again, having a kid is a completely different scenario. Cause then you were like, you don't want to be shorting your kid out of, uh, financial stability. But I think just straight up like being, being divorced, I'm, I'm very pro the reality of it because I've, uh, unfortunately seen multiple divorces up close and in person and see what happens.

And it sucks. It can be devastating for people financially. So the only time I'd ever go like, I don't know about this one. It might be this example. Clearly the father, as much as he may love you and you're the best to his daughter, he thought I saved and put away all this money and busted my ass my entire life. And if all of a sudden you meet some cocktail waitress in Fresno in two years, and then you're going to get an equal cut, that's bullshit. So I can

kind of understand where that guy's coming from. If I were to, again, be at a place years from now where I was financially killing it, and then I decided to leave a ton of money to my siblings. I would probably want them to protect themselves in some way because I would think, wait, I worked my whole life and bust my ass and then take care of the people that are closest to me. But then if you, you who I'm not even related to other than being an in-law, you somehow get all this cash because I worked really fucking hard. Like I just don't even like thinking about that. All that. I think that's fairly reasonable. So I can understand kind of where he's coming from. But this is weird.

And it just feels a little nasty, not just because the holidays are coming up here, just because it's this soon. So I would tell him, be like, look, I'm all for signing this. Or I would say in this case, I'm all for signing a prenup. But you can't do this to me this late in the game and give me this kind of deadline and expect me to just go like, I'm starting to think if he has a background in law enforcement.

And if it's not, maybe if this is from a legal standpoint,, was he a prosecutor for the town? Like, I don't know, we're talking about a cop or whatever. Like, did he do this knowing full well what he was fucking doing, going, this will be great. But again, if he was really

doing his homework according to the other legal intel you uncovered here is that it's not even binding. So then he kind of screwed that up. I'm just wondering if he did this strategically knowing, like, let me give him

really harsh terms, but springing on him at the last moment so he's not really going to have a choice he's going to have to sign our entire wedding's going to feel like again i don't know that you would call this thing off i would just say to him look i get it i'm actually completely understanding because it sounds like you are right it's not like hey i want to make sure i'm my ass is covered i can get all this guy's money if we have a divorce, but I'm not going to have, I'm not going to before Christmas. And then the week of my wedding, I've got to protect myself just like you want to protect yourself. And with your legal background or law enforcement or whatever, I can't put myself in a situation. And I think that's kind of where the prenup stuff gets a little nasty, but it,

it would appear, especially since he, I just don don't i don't know if he did this because he was just getting around to it if he did it because this was an absolute strategy he planned on doing and again she's an only child so you don't have another uh you don't have another in-law to ask like hey did he do this to you when you married the sister so you know as long as the wife is on your side there's not really much that can happen here. And again, I don't know the legal part of it of like, can you get some sort of temp proposal? Because I mean, what's the father-in-law going to want to do here? Call off the wedding if this thing isn't officially signed off on before you actually get married.

But yeah, I don't think I would sign it even though I'm all for, I'm very pragmatic about this. If one person is bringing a ton of money to the table in a marriage, I have no issue with that person making sure they protect themselves because that's the reality of marriage is that half of these things end up in divorce and you're going to feel a lot different about giving all your money away to the person that you're no longer in love with and maybe even despise. Kyle? Yeah. I mean, as a, again, as a child of divorce and then a child who's then parents both married

divorce people, like I know it's, you know, no, it's not like out of the purview. It's not like it couldn't happen. So it's definitely one of those things where it's like easier said than done. I mean, you know, a wedding coming up in June, I'm not going to get myself in trouble here, but it's just, you know, I thought about it. I was like, you know what? Now I actually don't really have much money to speak of. And there's really nothing coming down the pike. Well, it's just, I'm saying as a guy who's been, as a guy, the wait, what time out? I'm just saying as a guy who's been, you know, divorce surrounds me, I was just like, Oh, you know, is this something that I think about? But as I thought about it

more, I'm like, Hey, I definitely don't want to have that conversation. And B, we're basically making the same amount of money and there's no money coming down the pike for me. Like there's no, there's nothing like, oh yeah, one day that's going to be, it's just not happening. So I was like, what's the point of this? Wait, wait, we don't, we don't do that on this show. We don't put salary caps on our future earnings. You're right. Okay. Right. That's great. Like whenever, when everybody's to be like, that guy has more money than you'll ever see i'd be just like i don't know like why would i why would i limitations right i would say right now based on possessions like i don't know what the prenup would be be like look i get all these posters i keep my standing desk and but it's just a it's

a thing you don't want to be like because i'm a big comedian guy and there's so many great divorce stand-up i think bill bill Burr's got it great. He's like, oh, is this the line to lose half my shit? Well, look, it's moving. I don't want to feel like that guy. But then I was like, if we did get divorced, nothing great changed. We'd both be like, I guess this is about right. So I'm just saying, for me, it didn't make a ton of sense to do that.

And I think for this guy, what he can say is, I just don't like the sneakiness of this all. We could have talked about this you know what i mean like i just i don't i don't like it now i don't want to mess with your wedding day too much because i know that you know there's going to be one person in that party that's not happy about that and that would be your wife but i would just just for funds just for funds let's like what if you just went on legal zoom and got like a real standard boilerplate sort of, sort of one sort of a prenup, right? Pay like, do the free trial for the month of LegalZoom or whatever and be like, actually, why don't you counter him with your prenup and then see what

happens. And then, and then you, and just talking to the father-in-law, I mean, I'm just saying like, well, why, what's, why is yours so much different if it's so standard? Because I, you know, I just had my people ran by, ran by it and said, there's not really standard. So what's wrong with the standard one that I have? Cause if you're saying it's okay to be in a prenup person, which I think I'd be okay with it. If she came to me with it, I think I would be okay with it. I don't like it. The 11th hour thing where it's just like, it's like a permission slip or something. So, Hey man, just sign this before we go out there. If you could just, you know, get your John Hancock here, then we'll be all set. Like it just feels sneaky. So think you can a express that you

don't like how it was done that you're not like it's it's either no prenup or I'm not doing this so I think there's just a way for you to describe how like I don't like starting out this relationship like this and then if you wanted to do it just for shits and giggles maybe just give him your own prenup and see see if it has to be his way

or the highway I get the dad's point he's the one that fucked it up. I know it's going to be tough if he gets a little dicey over the next couple of days. If it was so important, if it was so important, don't fuck it up. Like I said, I wonder if he thought he was doing it strategically, but based on the information he shared with us, less than 30 days, it wouldn't even be

binding. Then it's like, okay, well, did he think that you weren't going to find that out? Maybe he thought that. Maybe he thinks, well, I don't want to say, maybe he doesn't think you're smart because that would be rude. You know, you've known each other for six years. That would be rude. All right.

We have another female listener chiming in with a problem with a relationship. We had a female from earlier this week talking about, was she breaking bro code by asking her ex's friends to tell him to leave her alone she did follow up with us in just a matter of a couple days and she said the

guy emailed again kind of doing the merry christmas thinking about you thing and she she showed us the email um however i'm starting to sense the theme here there might be some sort of hack for females in the pod which i never expected this turn turn to take. And I'm not even sure it's happening, but I'm now aware of it and conscious of it because I started thinking about it because we're getting more females to chime in about shitty relationships. And in almost every email,

they're saying that the significant other listens to the podcast or the female got into the podcast because of the person that they dated. Right. And I'm wondering if we are being used as a vehicle to really get in the dude's brain about

how fucked up he is. Because I think it happened again. Buckle up for this one. All right. They sent in a picture. Well, I guess she did. I doubt this guy wanted to be involved with this. But if you're 6'4", bro, and you cheated on your girlfriend, you're about to be put in the crosshairs.

Good looking couple. She's cute. All right. What's up, Ryan? I'll try to keep this shorter than Johnny Manziel's career. She's got zingers for us, too. Caught my boyfriend two and a half years together cheating. We went engagement ring shopping two months ago.

He planned to propose before the end of the year. That would be coming up pretty soon. We were going to move in together in February. Mid-November, he goes to a work conference. I know. What an original story. Just bear with me. We talk every day, FaceTime every night.

He comes back seven days later and is distant in the bedroom. Strange because he's normally knocking the door down after he's away. You know how that is. That's about sex. Kyle knows what's up. All right. Two weeks go by and the feeling something's wrong just keeps getting worse. I start working out more because I think maybe I put on a few pounds and he's not attracted anymore.

Oh, man, that sucks. I cry to him and ask him if everything is okay. He assures me everything is perfect. Man, this woman's sensors were just going nuts here. She just figured it out, right? He assures me everything's perfect. He's stressed at work. Sunday after Thanksgiving,

we're at his best friend's house. Fast forward, it's 3 a.m. and his phone is playing music. Something told me to look at his messages. I've never gone through his phone before. I've never gone through anyone's phone. I have had my phone confiscated. And it's not a great time.

But it sucks when the person that goes to your phone, you're not even dating. You're like, can you not do that? Anyway. So, yeah, a lot of guys have gotten burned by the old, hey, I'll throw on Spotify. What's your Bluetooth?

You guys want some late night John Mayer? Who's Debra? Yeah, right. Okay. All right. So never got through the phone before I looked and there it was. Her name. First and last.

What a fucking idiot. Three names from the top with a kissy emoji. I read a little. Get it out of lock and go outside to get myself together so he doesn't notice so I guess the jams are still going I have a friend come with me make a plan to distract him so I can get the evidence we were shit faced I knew once I confronted he deleted

I asked her to ask him to two step around the living room to buy me time we go back in and I go at screenshotting while they are dancing he comes over a few minutes later and asks what I'm doing I ask who is this girl obviously first and last name? And his eyes get huge. Mind you, we're at his best friend's house with all of his buds witnessing.

He asks that we don't have the conversation there. So I calmly said, get your shit and let's go home. He tells me they met at a hotel bar, kissed, and that was it. Yeah. Kiss is code for life. What are you talking about, dude? Yeah. yeah kiss is code for life yeah

no kiss is like that is never true ever it's like alright well you definitely can't you can definitely tell that I'm lying about nothing but maybe if I just if I try to take a half truth out of this and the Jenga tower won't fall over

if I try to take the terrible part that way you've already caught me lying but I can say well it wasn't even that bad i just felt so bad about doing it it's a classic definitely didn't happen that way situation no there was a girl like i dated right after college that wasn't very serious and then i was like hey were you hanging out with this kid she's like oh we just kissed it was stupid and then it was like three dudes in a row i was like oh we just kissed like man you really like making out with dudes or yeah or not that not just that all right um because i always wonder like how aggressive i want to get whenever it comes up to talk about accusatory yeah no i had a couple lines kind of on cue there and i was like i'm gonna let these pass it's a little aggressive for this pod

uh all right so the text had continued for two weeks and they had a phone date one day while I was on the way home to cook him dinner then planned to fly to meet each other while I was out of town for a work conference the following week whoa but remember just kissed and went to their own rooms yeah well maybe he's just an awesome kisser you would know

a few hours go by a friend comes to be with me and wants to look the girl up I was fine not knowing, but she convinced me. Of course, nobody. Everybody. I don't know if I entirely believe. Yeah, I don't know that I entirely believe you that you didn't want to look at all of because that's sort of what would happen. That's all right. We think you're cool

anyway, even if you wanted to look her up. So far, we're on your side. So, she's fine not knowing, but she convinced me. This chick was engaged. Absolutely. Fuck no. I find the fiance's number online.

Holy shit. You guys went full Barney Miller on this one. Of course, sir. I called him and sent him all the evidence I had. An hour later, he texted me, quote, they slept together every night at the conference. And then there's a selfie. What fucking idiots? So this loser FaceTime me every night in bed, got out out of bed went to her room or was already in her room and

she was being quiet she knew he had a girlfriend and has sent me a pathetic apology wow real time bomb merry christmas everybody all right so my boyfriend tells me he was scared of getting engaged and was scared he'd fall back into his old ways which were cheating lol what a fucking loser and again i guess this guy's listening to the pod right now so you're probably not having the best time sorry yeah she emailed us first dude all right uh but that this didn't mean a thing it was just a distraction that's a pretty classic line there too like i was just scared like will this please work yeah would you buy this yeah so you were to fly to meet each other like in an off week when I was out right before we were going to move together and you were shopping for rings.

And I get every relationship has their issues. You know, people can step out. They will forever step out. And sometimes when you understand kind of how it's gotten to that point, like I'd admit, I even think there's like leniency with some of this stuff. Although, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say, no,

I think this is all great. Like some of us can all understand this and I'll make this point probably towards the end. But I think there, this timeline isn't really passing a lot of the tests on understanding like why this guy, like, I guess I just say it now.

If you think you're going to fuck around, I think it's way worse to do it while you're also planning your future with somebody else. Yeah. You know, I remember being, I was bartending one night and there was a guy like in town for his wedding and he got down on the pool table after hours. Going crazy. And I was thinking, I was even more naive then. I was just young and I'm thinking holy shit i was like this guy's like this guy and he's he's getting there like well technically you know in his brain he'd worked

it out was like until you're down that aisle some guys some guys will tell you that too and you're like wait a second what and you realize it's like those aren't just like the bad guy from the the wedding singer movie like those guys are everywhere. They're actually normal guys too. That's what you learn. It's not like you have to be this type of horrible person. It's just some guys are wired that way. I don't know. And they're nice about everything else. But when it comes down to this, they won't steal

anything from your house. You know what I mean? They probably would help somebody cross the street, help somebody in need, maybe break up a fight. But when it comes to the woman they love, God, they'll do some horrible shit. But I don't know that's a weird way of putting it together like man that guy had a threesome the night before his wedding but you know what he returned my basketball sneakers i like that guy okay all right so he was scared that is kind of weird he was he scared he'd fall back into his old ways so like i was so afraid i

was gonna cheat on you i just had to cheat on you just to see if it was real what was that guy that had to we had something like that with the girl it's like i just had to had to leave for a little bit and come back just to make sure you're the right person by the way is this guy still listening there's no you have to close out of the podcast if you're pretty sure this is about you all right so anyway uh but this didn't mean a thing it was just a distraction the text included good morning good night songs that he sent me when we first started dating those guys he's got some moves he's a pro he's a pro yep made her a playlist while we were cuddling one night he texted her i wish you were in my arms that one stings it's pretty crazy that you could know exactly when the text was sent when you were

cuddling but hey maybe you're watching yellowstone it fell within that window I get it so she continues my last boyfriend cheated I gave him another chance he did it again I got the therapy about a year ago to work through some lingering trust issues triggers fuckface joined me I guess imagine fuckface is the six four guy that's okay he joined me and helped me work through all that with me

I got through it felt amazing exclamation and then he did the same shit oh and he did this to his last girlfriend, but the woman was married. Truly just continues to get better. So I made the decision

to end things, but I'd love to hear your advice and thoughts on what in the ass, how I get through this fucking nightmare. It really just felt amazing to type all that out.

Sorry it was a novel. I was counting Manziel's CFL stint too. So she millennied it that you like to acknowledge that whenever you bring it full circle we love a millennia um i guess he lives above her right now she said i can hear him walking around all right when oh my god all right so that was i guess that email wasn't wasn't that long ago again that feels a little bit like it was a way to get at him i don't really know what else the

advice is, right? You broke up with him and you're going to be bummed out about it for a little while, but would you rather had stayed? I think sometimes when you feel like, okay, everything's working out, this is my clock. And I know it's tougher for women than it is for men, especially when you start talking about having kids and all that kind of stuff. But I think all of us can be a little, you're like, well, no, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. This is like, this is the next thing, right? This is the next thing.

And I think there are times where you'll see someone in a relationship where you're like, you probably know you shouldn't even be in this, but you're just kind of doing it because of the next thing. So I think the most important thing for what it sounds like with you here, and I would try to find a place to move at some point, it sounds like you're, you're not going to fall into that trap of like,

you know, it feels a bit like punishing yourself. He's the one that fucks up. And now all the stuff, my dreams of getting the ring and, you know, having this point in my life where I'm taking that next chapter, we're doing all these things together. You're together for two and a half years. Like, I just think it's really evil,

either the male or female side. I do feel like men do this a little bit more than women do. But the whole, like, I'm planning it all out. Like, look, you want to tell me you're sick of your wife. You want to tell me you're sick of your husband. You know, the physical part of it that can be a real challenge. And you've grown apart after 10 years. And the dynamic with kids made it different.

And you actually fight all the time. And you don't want to do that in front of your kids. And somebody, like, I get it, man. I totally fucking get it but i think there's a truly evil seating for the person that is planning out the rest of their lives to be that partner to be that best friend hey i want a family i'd like to live here what are your hopes and dreams and share all of these things while you're still fucking around and it's like if you're going to do that, then don't fuck with other people. That would be my advice to everybody else that's in that situation.

And I'm not telling you I'm perfect. I'm not telling you like I've got it all figured out. But like sometimes I would just be like, I don't even want to be in this. Look, I have cheated. I have not cheated. I have been cheated on and I've been accused of cheating when I wasn't.

And it's even better when you're accused of it and you're like, are we dating? That's weird because I'm pretty sure that was never discussed. And now this is, what do you think I did? Like, yeah, I'll tell you who I hung out with. Like, cause we don't date. What the fuck? So I think I have a well-rounded experience of it all. I don't know that if you cheated in the past, you will always cheat. I don't believe in that um you know for me i was an immature shithead who had access and there you go just mix it in a pot and i was fucking awful all right there you go but at no point would i have ever been because later on you know a couple serious relationships like it wasn't interesting to me because I felt like it would be just awful

to want this other person to invest in your lives together, this partnership, while you're like, I don't really have this out of my system. And again, everybody does. I shouldn't say everybody does, but I want to be sympathetic to each challenge that there is in relationships i just think that that certain one like you you're gonna fuck up then you know like if all the times where you could be like all right i can kind of see how that happened uh you're getting divorced

anyway all right whatever but like you're gonna do it while it's supposed to still be the awesome time so look you're gonna meet somebody who isn't like that. Not every guy is like that. And it sounds like you actually, you know, you weren't talking in the email about how, like, you were hoping to figure it all out. Maybe you will. I don't know.

But, yeah, I don't know. Kyle? Yeah, I'm not going to go into, like, the whole past of things for me, because it really doesn't matter. You big cheater? No, no, no. And as far as I know, know i've never been cheated on you've never been cheated on and you've never cheated no had a lot of had a lot of relationships where i was just like

let's be done right now um and so like like i said i've been a really good perupper yeah let's be done right now um yeah but i think she nailed the the revenge angle of this. I think you already got the revenge. This is great. I mean, if you like this podcast, it's probably one of your favorites. That's just kind of how we are. We really grow on you. So if you do like this podcast, it's probably really into it. So I think you nailed that. Sorry, dude. I really, I try to get a little bit in how you're probably not terrible in all aspects of your life. But this one thing, I tried to do that for you, but she definitely won this one. And then maybe some advice would be for me, you know, maybe at the one year mark from every new guy, maybe you just have to take his phone at some point.

I think at this point, I know. Listen, I'm not saying take it. But I mean, I think like if this is the way you found out and you're like, God, can you imagine if we did this without a prenup? I mean, see what I did there. But I just think maybe if it's like happened twice maybe it's even happened three times I don't know maybe it's just maybe you just have to peek I don't know I don't know

how you're going to ever look at anybody and be like okay without like just taking a peek when they're not expecting you to I don't know and I know don't be crazy about it if that person is not doing anything wrong and then you take their phone like then you're kind of like wait you're one of those people you're a take the phone person is everyone who's younger you take their phone like then you're kind of like wait you're one of those people you don't totally have to know about it well they don't have everyone

is everyone who's younger to take the phone person i don't know i'm not a take the phone person and i'm at the point where like i kind of don't want to even like search really but but that's because i haven't been burned okay so i know but maybe that's because i don't search i don't know what if what if your fiance all of a, like the next seven lunches was flipping her phone over face side down? I might address it, but I don't think I would take it. I feel like I'd be able to get her to crack without it, but maybe not. See, I'm just kind of naive. Yeah, she's taking my phone.

It's probably because she's been, you know, whatever. And I'm like, I'm okay. I'm all right. She hasn't done it in the last like three years, but, you know, we've been together five years. But, you know, two years in years in you know she will do it and she got it out of her system I guess maybe that's because she she looked and she saw

I'm not a either I'm a really good deleter of evidence or I'm just not fucking around either way I guess she's good with it I had one where I knew it was going to happen and I was in a hotel room and I had a family member who just had a medical emergency and I had actually gotten done like with a work event. So it wasn't like a night out type of

thing. And I was so fucking certain of it. I set up my phone, I put it in front of the TV on the counter of the hotel room and then started the shower and never got in and just quickly hopped out and left a crack in the door so I could keep my eye on the phone. And that water hadn't started for 30 minutes or 30 seconds and person went to it. And I was like, are you fucking serious? I just got done telling you I had a family member rush for home for like a medical thing and I'm kind of bummed out about it.

And the first thing you thought of was this. And then you're just like, you know what? Like, I don't want to fucking deal with you. Yeah, that's not nice. I just meant like, and I wasn't dating the person, by the way. Yeah, okay. That's even crazy.

That's actually really crazy. I just mean like for that advice that being probably bad advice, what I just said, I just mean, I don't know how you're going to be able to just sign up for more relationships without like, I just meant at the one year mark. I'm not at the, at the, at the six month mark, not at the two month mark, not at like, ah, whatever. Just be at the one year mark. Cause I don't know, you don't want to get two and a half years into, and on the precipice of planning a wedding before you're like, oh, let me just check. If you're going to check anyway, and then you're going to find out,

maybe just have a policy where you just have like a year in review. Like, I don't know. It sounds crazy as I'm saying it, but I don't know what else you could do. Because she's like moving forward. I don't know. You went to therapy

and the guy did it with you. He did the therapy with you. So I don't know. Honestly, Kyle, that's an episode. That's an episode. That's an episode. That'll do it for this episode. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Troy for helping out

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