The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Lillard to the Bucks, and Miami Gets It Wrong. Plus, Burrow, Fields, Caleb, and More QB Talk With Jordan Palmer.

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

Russillo opens with Dame Lillard to the Bucks, where it puts Milwaukee in the East, and why the coverage around the Heat’s pursuit of Dame was completely wrong (00:43). Then, he chats with former NFL quarterback and current quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer about a bunch of quarterback stuff, including the moment Palmer knew Joe Burrow was special, Justin Fields’s future, how good Caleb Williams will be from day one, and more (13:45). Finally, the guys make their Week 5 CFB Alliance Parlay picks (56:43) before closing it out with some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (01:07:00). The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Jordan Palmer Producer: Cliff Augustin Additional Production Supervision: Kyle Chricton & Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Damian Lillard is on the move and it's Milwaukee not Miami how did this happen and we'll take a look at the trade we got Jordan Palmer going to talk quarterbacks a great Joe Burrow story how Tua is doing it and why he thinks USC is going to try to roll against Colorado. Life advice and the Alliance Parlay is back. Lillard is on the Milwaukee Bucks and I'm not happy about it but I'm also happy about it let's explain let's start with the trade so the details are thus Milwaukee gets Dame Portland gets Aiton and Drew Holiday three--teamer with Phoenix in this. They get a 29 unprotected first, pick swaps in 28-30. Why did Phoenix want to do this?

Well, they get Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nasir Little, and Keon Johnson. He hasn't really done much except be super athletic for Portland. I've always kind of liked Little a little bit. Grayson, you know, he can shoot. He can actually provide something in rotation. The weird thing is Phoenix feels like they have a lot of guys, but now it's kind of like, well, what about Aiton at Aiton's peak heading into the finals gets Milwaukee a few years ago. It felt like he was

flirting with some really, really great territory as a player. Could this guy be a top 20 guy? I know Bill and I probably went a little too hard on what he could eventually be, but it seemed like the perfect fit. A mobile guy could stretch the floor a little, whatever it is. I don't think Aiton has it. I think he's a really talented dude. He's going to put up numbers in Portland, but I don't think he has the it thing that you'd want out of somebody with a team that has championship aspirations. Now, the Milwaukee side of this is pretty simple. Dame is better than Drew Holiday, sort of, right? Because Dame is one of the most dynamic scorers i think he'd be energized new place first time ever in his career you're playing with yannis so this the high side of this could be

real problematic for the rest of the eastern conference it also maybe puts you in a better position with yannis who i think scared a few people by being very open-minded talking about his own future where i think yannis if you look at his history he's just a little bit more pragmatic about stuff but some people saw this as real flirtation with moving on at some point maybe that solves that problem uh the problem you may have now is that Dane Lillard has a consistent diet of eating screens and in the regular season that may not mean anything but when you had Drew Holiday at the top of your defensive positioning uh that was a lot different for the back line and everything else everybody had to do so that's going to change things a bit but i understand it for milwaukee it's kind of an all-in

all over again i've always been kind of fascinated with how they were going to have to reinvent this thing around yannis to keep him happy and to continue to contend throughout his prime because where he's at where the other players in his on his team were just simply older and it's not like dame is young so i get that part of it um the The Phoenix part, I think a lot of it had to do with just moving on from Aiton who didn't fit in as we've covered. I also think when you look at the money part of this, Aiton was going to be 32 and a half million this year, 34 next year, 35.5 million. The only money they're really taking back here is Nurkic and then Little's contract is minimal. It's actually a really good number for a guy that maybe is in a rotation. I don't even know if he will be with this team. I don't like Nur is minimal. It's actually a really good number for a guy that maybe is in a rotation.

I don't even know if he will be with this team. I don't like Nurkic. He's hurt all the time. The defense can be atrocious. Maybe they salvage him because there was a time there in Portland where it looked like he was going to be a real guy. So really what this comes down to is does it make Milwaukee the favorite in the East? If Giannis is right, I still think they're the best team in the East. I mean,

that whole thing got so weird and it will be forgotten in history of him going down and then how bad they were even when he came back and just falling apart mentally. Just watching a team fall apart mentally against the Heat is not the greatest memory ever, but it's still really weird that they lost that 1-8 matchup and Giannis missing half the minutes in that series definitely plays a part in the whole thing. Boston, it feels like no one's really excited about them, but they're in it. They're clearly in it. Although Porzingis having a foot injury at that size is exactly the best news ever. But look, they weren't going to be able to get him unless they gave him an extension

for him to opt into the whole thing. And that kind of leaves us with Miami. And this is why I'm not happy about the trade. Because let me start with this. When this timeline with Lillard got going, it was lingering for a little while. And then leading up to the draft, what happened? We were talking draft. It's like, well, look, Portland may want to trade that number three pick.

And there's some idea that they've told Lillard that they were going to trade it. I will never believe that a front office would be dumb enough, especially with how hard, if you look back historically, how hard it is for lottery picks to be traded for players that are like immediate impact guys. Like think of the landscape of NBA players and think of like, okay, which team that has a really good player that's likely a contender, you know, it can be a number two or a number three guy, but if he's a number two or a three, that means they probably have a really good number one. So if that team's a contender, why would they trade that player to Portland for the number three pick and kind of reset their own timeline?

Like that trade is very, very hard to pull off. So I will never believe, and I don't think a lot of people do believe, that they told Dame they would emphatically trade it. They may have said they'd look into it. And then when they didn't, he felt betrayed. And then it ramped up all the stuff. He starts doing interviews. He was flirting with this stuff for a while, kind of like, hey, I'll always do this for

the fans, but whatever. And it was time to move on and all these different things. So then we're left with a situation that we actually are familiar with, but in this case, collectively overreacted to. Okay, it's on. Dame wants out. And we are used to players getting their way. I think the fan base of the NBA, that relationship between NBA fan and NBA star is the most challenging of any fan and its league going in sports today. You get dumped on. All right. And if you were a heat fan, of course you want to Dame Lillard because it just makes your team better. Okay. But if that was your argument, it wasn't really a great argument because I would look at each trade demand individually. And in this case with

Lillard with four years remaining on the deal, two of those being a new extension that he just signed from the only team that he could offer it and then saying, you know what? I want out. And not only do I want out, I only want to go to one fucking team. That's nasty, man. That's a nasty way of doing business. We should all that care about the NBA.

All of us should want that to never be the norm. But we're so used to it being the norm that we were like, OK, wait, when's this going to happen? I remember Bill and I talking like very, very early on in July. And he's like, what's your schedule? Where are you going to be? Should we sit around to have a Dame emergency pod? And I'm like, well, I know what's going on as far as like all the stuff we're caught up in, but do I really want to burn an afternoon and wait around for four hours to see if he's traded today? Because then a very common sense thing dawned on me in that moment. Because as all of this was swirling around, we're waiting for the

announcement as if it's inevitable. Certain people saying that it was already a done deal. That's early the first week of July, which didn't really make any sense. Woj had made some comments being like, Portland doesn't like the Miami offer. They're going to see what happens. And it's like, hey, you know what's weird about all of us? Is when we have a major decision to make, we can have a position that we think we're married to and then time goes by. In this case, it was a few months. There can be things in your life you are determined to do or not to do, but then when you get to that actual, I have to make the decision date, you start to make compromises. That's what I always thought was important about this timeline. Portland doesn't

like the Miami offer. He only wants to play in Miami. Well, it's July. Let's see what happens. And what happened was we almost got to October. Dame clearly changed his mind. Portland got better offers or felt like they were better. And I really don't want to debate whether or not Hero is better long-term than Aiton and Drew Holiday. As much as I understand the warts on Aiton, let's see what the entire package is. There's also a part of this too, where you don't even want to be trading for Miami picks down the road because it's just such a great organization that they're bad isn't really as bad as most teams. So I think you factor that in as well, but it almost felt like, like it was a rarity to be going, well, why do they have to do this now? Why do they have to do it now?

Hey, I run a basketball team. The best player doesn't want to play here. And he only wants to go to one team, which sort of screws up his entire market. And it sounds like his agents are working against us, scaring other teams off. Well, it is July. So maybe we'll see what happens. And guess what happened? People's mind changed.

The thing about the Miami part, and this is where I am happy. It's not about the heat. I know some of you can never remove the fact that I'm from Massachusetts about this and whatever. I mean, honestly, if you want to go Celtics-Homer angle, this is worse for the Celtics than Dame on the heat, to be honest with you.

The best version of this, the best version of Dame and Giannis working together. So if you can allow yourself to believe me on that, the best version of this, the best version of Dame and Giannis working together. So if you can allow yourself to believe me on that, the part that I love is that there was this massive tribal disconnect. The people in Miami couldn't understand why people outside of Miami didn't like this. And the reason I didn't like it is everything I just laid out. We should not be cool with a guy with four years left and a new extension saying,

hey, I want out and I only want to go to one team. That's a shitty relationship for the fan and an NBA player. It's so bad, if you don't believe me, Adam Silver touched on this topic. But the disconnect was Miami guy going, why doesn't everybody else get it? Those idiots. And the idiots on the outside were kind of like, so wait, you're right because it benefits the thing that you like?

Think how flawed that logic is. I'm sorry I have to do it because I couldn't believe it when it happened. I'm sorry I have to do it because I couldn't believe it when it happened. But Woj came on and said, very simply, Portland doesn't like the offers. They're going to see what happens. Dan Levitard said this about Woj. Quote, thank you for bringing up Woj. The Heat know that he's just agenda-based shilling bought and paid for by Portland. It's embarrassing that Woj is telling people it might be weeks or months on Lillard.

That was on July 17. Bought and paid for. I'm like, man, if you're going to pick a fight, pick a fight with somebody who gets shit wrong, not Woj. And here we are, weeks, months later, and it wasn't Miami. So what's the lesson in all this? I think the lesson is, even though the standard seems to be NBA player says this, NBA player gets exactly what he wants. Specific to when this was all going down and the lack of options, there was nothing wrong with the team waiting, waiting it out. You want to argue the Miami offer would have been better,

the three or four first-round picks. I don't know if it was ever going to get to four and hero. I do always like Jovic a little bit. We'll see what happens with Drew Holiday. Trades are weird where the history comes back. You're like Aaron Aflalo ended up being the best piece in that massive deal, years removed. But I know at least I'll look at it this way.

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um game real games are starting to happen at the college level you know meaningful ones and um you're starting to kind of see i i don't take a ton of credence into who plays well week one who plays well week two you kind of got to let these guys settle in everybody's got new guys new staff everything so this is the fun part of the year we start to go oh these guys are for real or i mean these guys are really going to struggle and so um and then the role that i play with the college and pro guys um able to make an impact and be helpful at a time when um when they need most so i'm fired up i know your podcast the qb room with kyle allen and jordan palmer and uh also want to remind everybody he's got a new newsletter coming out cover three

uh where he hits three topics each week and the reason I bring up the pot is you get Kenny Pickett on. We know the preseason. I think like a lot of rookie quarterbacks, he looks like a rookie quarterback. You start week one. I kind of figured like of all the weeks to start against San Francisco, especially when they're healthy, this is going to look great. But you now got a couple weeks. The Raiders game was obviously a lot better.

The win against Cleveland. What do you see in them? I'm just seeing steady improvement and like you said i mean playing the niners week one that's just a that's a tough card to draw early on um or whatever it was week one week two um a team that's just hasn't replaced a whole lot of players you know what i mean they're just kind of returning everybody and it's and it's business as usual um but I'm just seeing improvement out of Kenny. It's easy to look at highlights that any of these players are making and then to gauge your personal opinion on what their ceiling or floor is.

I'm looking at it from a little different lens. I think he's getting the ball out of his hands quickly. He's progressing quickly. There were some things last year that you can say he looked like a rookie or whatever where I'd i just go it was too slow or you know progressing through it just didn't see like his feet were tied to his eyes as often and so you know the eyes come over the feet aren't set all of a sudden you're a tick slow balls broken up um that's an area where i've seen improvement and then when they've had shots

it goes back to like bob johnson was my old high school coach and trained my brother and i growing up and he's a kind of a legend around here and he said this when i was in high school and it's rang true to today at every level there's going to be about three to five times a game when you got a chance to make a big play down the field and you got to make more than half of those like you got to be able to make those and um and so i think that's the biggest thing is they're dialing some stuff up in pittsburgh kenny's hitting it he's ripping it and so we can say from a tv perspective that looked wide open but those are tough throws and so i'm seeing kenny take advantage of the opportunities that are there um he's using his legs uh a lot of times young quarterbacks if

they're mobile uh they'll run and make a play but they'll also run every now and then and run into danger and make a bad play worse um i'm just seeing him every time he runs it's it's effective and it's it's making an impact on the game and so uh i'm seeing him coming along and the more george pickens comes along uh the better that's going to be for kenny pickett and um i know there's a lot of stuff going on with matt canada and the office of coordinator what's happening and uh he talked about it on our show that we recorded yesterday. I said, you know, what's the difference now? Matt Canada is working more, more with you and he's doing more stuff with the quarterbacks that came out. And he was like, I don't know what that is. The guy's been in my quarterback room

every day. He works with us already. I, I don't, somebody said something and it got out, nothing's changed. And, and so they're just continuing to build their relationship when you watch a quarterback either it's somebody you work with or you know you have a lot of knowledge on yeah i always want to understand the lens that you would watch a football game through but specific to the quarterback like how quickly can you tell like okay even if the stats aren't very good or they're not converting on third down they're putting themselves in a really good position with the play calling with the system some of good or they're not converting on third down, they're putting themselves in a really good position with the play calling, with the system, some of the changes they're making.

You know, I just, I wonder how quickly you notice like a really good situation or bad situation for a quarterback. Well, I think the same way I would prepare quarterbacks, the kind of the same way that if I'm watching like, and every now and then there's a guy where I go, Ooh, I haven't really seen, like I haven't, I always have guys playing at 10 o'clock on the west coast and so anybody else who's playing at 10 I'm probably not watching that game I'm not watching them intently so like

I haven't really seen CJ Stroud this year yet I haven't really seen Anthony Richardson when he was in there yet fired up to get a chance to watch him I haven't seen him yet um and so when I do the same thing I would advise a young quarterback to do is there's kind of like this checklist, right? And so the first one is you got to have a plan versus pressure, whether you're throwing hot or a side adjust. Some offenses have those, some offenses don't, um, whether you're re ID or re miking or redirecting the point, different terms can be the same thing.

Uh, are you protecting yourself based off of what you're doing from a scheme standpoint or from getting the ball out of your hands and so um when i see a quarterback who either has free runners coming at them or they should have thrown hot you know you can start to see and you go well that guy that's not a good situation right there and then secondly like what's causing them to move in the pocket is it the guys up front are getting whooped is it one dominant player um or is it happy feet moving around like crazy and then the timing um now there's a lot of different offenses there's a lot of different routes uh but like a bang eight or a skinny post or a 16 yard dig or a 12 yard curl there's a lot of like staple routes. And so you can,

as long as I can see what the route was, could kind of tell if that guy was on time or late or early. And so young players, a lot of times, uh, early in college or early in the NFL, you'll kind of, I, all my eye will catch. They don't really have a plan versus pressure, or they didn't have a plan versus that pressure. And this guy's moving unnecessarily climbing in the pocket and not able to finish his throwing motion when he didn't need to climb in the pocket um and then that ball was late you know he's really he's a he's he's double clutching these back shoulder fades and he's given the db a chance to break it up so but those are kind of the three things that i talked through with young guys um and so my eye kind of goes there when I'm evaluating guys which is why when a young player gets the ball out of his hands quickly doesn't

move into danger buys himself time and does not have free runners coming at him it's usually impressive to me because those three boxes are getting checked I know that there's a lot of concern with Burrow uh first two weeks it looks like cleveland's defense is good the weather wasn't great there's all sorts of injuries that we are excuse me we can bake in including the calf injury but i remember leading up to the game against the rams where i go wait do we just think burrow and chase aren't going to be awesome again like we just like it's not going to happen and then chase lights it up um burrow looked like he'd figured some stuff out and i know you know you you've been watching him for a long time so what did you see there well i thought um i thought week one the uh cleveland game and how

you know bad they were on offense or whatever unproductive i i kind of said at the time i think that had more to do with cleveland's defense being really good their pass rush being really good and so since in that game they've got a new left tackle I think they bumped somebody into right guard so they got some new pieces so you got I think in four to six weeks we'll be saying this Cleveland pass rush is like one of the best ones we've seen in a long time and so you know figuring out new pieces versus an elite pass rush on the road in terrible weather is just not the time to sort things out and get on the same page. And so kind of just like that one's a wash.

It's a bummer and it's a divisional game and it's all those things, but I don't think it's indicative of any effect on the season. And then, yeah, heading into the Rams going to, you know, I work with Joan and talk every week and so it's a little different perspective but

you know like you don't just lose chemistry it's not like it's a marriage or like two business partners here it's like these guys aren't going to just slow down you know Joe may have a bad game or a bad quarter and Jamar may drop a couple you know we saw T Higgins who sure hand to drop a couple balls like of course that happens every now and then

but it's absolutely a matter of time I mean Jamar Chase knows how to separate We saw T. Higgins, who's sure-handed, drop a couple balls. Of course, that happens every now and then. But it's absolutely a matter of time. I mean, Jamar Chase knows how to separate, and they know how to get him in space. And this whole idea of him being double-covered, he's been double-covered since his first game of his rookie year. And so I think Cincinnati, I mean, they started 0-2 last year and finished, I think, 14-2 or whatever they were, 12-4. And so I don't think it's going to have any impact. I think there's two or whatever they were 12 and four. Um, and so I, I don't think it's, uh, I don't think it's going to have any impact. I think there's no worries in Cincinnati and this calf

injury, um, is something that could go away with the proper, not just care, but, you know, utilizing not, uh, developing compensations and not putting too much stress on it. So there's things from a movement perspective that you can do to help that. Then there's obviously treatment and you know, the injury itself. Um, and then there's schematics. I, I watched that Monday night game and I thought it was masterful performance knowing that he didn't practice all week and can't really move for them to throw the ball 49 times in an effective way versus that pass rush. Um um and to be able to how quickly i felt like if it was a four-round fight for three rounds joe threw like a bunch of jabs and then when they needed to was able to connect on a couple of you know hooks in the fourth quarter to create that

lead and so even the fake toss to the left roll right jamar chase inside releases high angle corner that's like hey if we're gonna if i'm gonna be on the move i need to be rolling right i don't want to be rolling left planting off that my calf right so i need to be rolling right we've got to get jamar in space we've got to create chunk yardage we can't just throw back shoulder so i just thought that monday night game versus a great defensive coordinator raheem morris with elite players on that defense and donald and a others I thought it was a masterful masterful performance um to be able to not just you know it's not it's not about like a calf injury it's not a toughness thing right it's not like oh it hurts really bad but I'm gonna grit this out for you guys no it can get worse you can

pop it you can affect the Achilles so it's not a it's not a pain tolerance thing uh it's a we got to make sure this doesn't get worse thing and so for him to get in and out of that game and i thought it was a masterful performance especially the way they were able to produce and the only turnover they had was one of the better interceptions i've seen in a long time i don't know if you can do this so i'll just kind of ask it in a very simple way but you know whenever you know look i follow lsu and those guys start telling me different borough stories and you know everybody wants their guy to be the different guy be like no no this guy's different this guy's different but not only the production right but is there

anything you can tell us about conversations with joe that that in your world of the quarterback world where you're like okay this is a little different without feeling like you're you're giving us something that you know is is part of your trust in your relationship something that like the audience yeah some of the audience would go oh okay that's that's that's different yeah that's the first time i met him so i was in the green room in dallas at that draft josh and sam and baker's year and i was with sam and josh and uh i ran into Coach Orgeron in the bar and I knew Coach O. Coach O was the D-line coach at USC when my brother was there. So I was like, had zits and braces in high school running around spring practice. And like, I've known Coach O a long time. And so, and that

was like when Waterboy came out too. So he was just straight farmer friend, you know, at the early 2000s. Anyway, so I cross paths with him every now and then i'm in that the green room bar and he's there with uh well the kind of my joke was like i think he was there with probably a linebacker or safety or a corner you know the first round and i go coach oh when are you gonna get a quarterback in this room i see in here all the time and he's like two years i go oh yeah who you got i go because you're probably never gonna win a national championship until you given all these linebackers in this room you know until you get a quarterback he goes two years who is it he goes it was early but he's like i'm flipping a kid kid come in from ohio state

you'll send him out and so i had uh i used to have college counselors come to my camps and at this off season so that happened then the next year that that next off season, he sent him out and it was after his junior year. And so I, you know, meet Joe texting. I think I talked to his dad, Jimmy, or something like that. And he comes out. But at that time, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, and Kyle Allen, who did draft prep together and are still today, like best friends. And they all, the four of us all live right by each other in Orange County. They rented this sick beach house in San Clemente for the off season. And it was like five bedroom. It was just on the beach. It was sick. And so I had this camp and I had college counselors there and I was like, Hey, can we do like a beach day Friday and like

kick it and drink beers and tell stories at night at the house? They're like, yeah. So I had, I don't remember exactly who the other college guys were, but I had like five or six college guys, three or four NFL guys and you know, one or two kids. But then I always love when I, but I had like five or six college guys, three or four NFL guys, and one or two kids. But then I always love when I create those types of settings, like, all right, everyone share their journey. Start wherever you want to start and it ends today. And even quiet guys who like, like Sam Donald is a perfect example. He's like a, more of an introvert. He has no interest in telling you how awesome he is. He's not cocky. He's none of those things.

You can put a guy like that in a position to tell his journey, and even a guy like that will go for 25 minutes. And so we're going around the circle. Josh tells his journey. Sam tells his journey. And Joe, I don't remember the specifics, but he was basically like, this is where I'm from and all this stuff. And he's like, and kind of laid out like i think we're gonna win the national championship

this year and he just met all these guys and he starts kind of laying out what was gonna happen and how good his team was and how nobody knew this and his receivers how elite they are and keep in mind his junior year lsu was like either damn near broke or broke the record for drop passes in college football the same people that we're talking about jamar chase justin jefferson terrence marshall they had dropped a million balls as junior and he had talked about the offseason what they've done the step they were going to make he lays this whole thing out and never forget like we kind of broke up remember me sam and josh go to the quarter and we're all like i hope that guy can throw it because he's talking a big game.

And so the next day he goes out and he threw it. And it's not like he was, you know, the craziest thing you've ever seen throwing it. It looked really good. And then getting to know him over the course of the weekend. And I'm like, I was in. I'm like, I'm all in. And I didn't really recruit. At that time, he was supposed to be like a fifth round pick.

I didn't really recruit, you know, recruit or talk to Tua or any of the other Herberg, any of these other guys who were supposed to go high. He wasn't trying to convince me, but I was convinced. I'm like, dude, this is the guy. Because I've always said confidence and maturity are the two most important traits in a quarterback, high school, college, or pro. You want to draw a list of busts or guys that made it, there's where I'm drawing that line. It's not height that's not

arm talent and so i go well maturity and this confidence wise and i'd been around i've been around a lot of guys to sean i've been around some like very very you know supremely confident guys in a healthy way and i think early on in my relationship with joe i was like he's different totally different and he's six four two ten you know what i mean he's different, totally different. And he's six, four to 10. You know what I mean? He's like, there's not physically different. It looks like a lot of guys, but his, uh, unwavering self-generated confidence and how an unwavering being the key word there, um, has played out and proven out to be what makes him different. That was an incredible job. We don't always get that kind of, uh, delivery when I ask for a story.

That was great. Okay, so you mentioned Tua. I loved Tua in college. Of course, I was always going to be worried about the size like everybody else. I pretty much written him off the beginning of last year where I go, I just don't know if it's going to happen. And I had no idea that Mike McDaniel had these kind of superpowers. You want to talk about confidence. Now T to a believes himself and anybody that was around

the dolphins would say, you know, look, even the dolphins try to go in another direction when they didn't get to Sean. So I don't, I don't care what anybody says on that one. Um, but now he's lighting it up. Um, how does this happen? How does this happen with a quarterback? Granted, at least the talent base was there where you're not turning into somebody without talent into this but uh this is scary so far a couple weeks in yeah this is crazy and uh i remember so i had my son turned five this weekend i got a uh in my office i've got like a full swing golf simulator so on the weekends that's four different games going i got another one here another one here so i got like six games but so i had my son's birthday party here on sunday so i got all these games going and kids are playing outside and all this stuff.

And I come inside and I was just like, does that say 70? That doesn't say 70, does it? Like, is that right? Rewind that. I just like the amount of times that just never happens in the NFL where you see something you've never seen. I don't care who you're playing against. something you've never seen like seen but i don't care who you're playing against um what they're doing is bananas and it's sustainable too that's the that's the thing so what are they doing what are they doing that other people haven't figured out i honestly it's something that next week i want to do is actually i haven't like sat down and looked at specifically what they're doing but um i i've seen the concepts and all that the way i would summarize it is yes they have really really fast guys right um but they're not the first team to have really fast

guys what they're doing is shifts and motions and you know they're not the first people to do shifts and motions but you're right because this is this is like the first time i've ever really like looked and tracked at it because i kept watching them where I go everything is motion and motion at the snap like this is this a lot and again I didn't and then I looked it up ESPN stats info the rate that they're sending somebody in motion at the snap is like so far beyond what we've been seeing so like I'm backing up your point there a little bit and that's not something I'm always noticing as somebody that didn't play but go ahead so the idea of shifts and motions um i played for mark trustman in chicago um outside of like time permitting there was a shift in a motion every single time like why would we line up that was kind of the argument but why would we just line up unless

you know we got to get on the ball we got to get a playoff like why would we not shift in then motion and so that was the first time i was like yeah that's a good argument and so you know sam darnold went to san fran this offseason so hoping you know with the playbook and all that stuff and he you know he was like this is the most complicated difficult playbook i've ever learned and it's all because the shifts in motions he's like there's just so much there and he picked it up he did a great job and he owns it, right? Kyle Allen goes to Buffalo this year to back up Josh. Dude, this is the most complicated offense I've ever learned. Well, look at Buffalo.

A lot of shifts, a lot of motions. And so that's like, it just adds things to something you already have to process. Now, when you have elite speed and when you have a quarterback that has a great feel for timing and i don't just mean like get the ball your hand i mean like this is complete when his eyes come around his eyes are coming around and then when you have elite teaching and that's the thing is like we just lump coaching together as you know for mike mcdaniel or or kyle shanahan or sean mcveigh or whatever you you talk about oh they're great play callers and they and they design great plays hold on you got to explain everybody what to do here so they're also fantastic teachers right and that's the part that I don't think fans don't connect to we just see

the play that you can we've all had a good teacher that had a big impact on our childhood and then we've had a bunch of bad teachers right and so And so I, I teach more than I coach and personally. And so I think McDaniels, one of the things that's underrated on him is the way that he teaches and gets everybody to understand these things. And he reads another one. They do a great job of teaching there. And so you can ask player,

if you're going to ask your players to learn a lot, a high volume of offense, sure. Get smart ones. That's better than getting dumb ones. But really, how good are you at teaching this and explaining this and getting people to understand it? And so I just think it's a perfect storm right now. They have the speed. They have these guys that are smart. Even most are like, he's from San Fran. Like he's used, he's already learned

the system similar to that. Right. And so, and, and Tyreek, he's from Kansas city. They don't just line up and run forverts. They move people like crazy and ask people to do all sorts of things. And so I think it's a perfect storm of all of those things happening where you have the speed, you have the ingenuity of if we put this guy in motion and he hits it at full speed and that defender's shoulders are facing this way, then he's open right now, even if he doesn't look like he's open because he can't turn and cover and get there. So trust me, throw the ball here. Right. And so that level of teaching. And then with Tua, you know, I met Tua as a sophomore in high school. He was about the same size. He was like an inch shorter and he was

this new phenom, you know, and no one really was paying attention to that part of the world in football until Marcusiotta came out um and then two of us like oh there's another kid from hawaii he's a baller and so i met him as a sophomore and uh i talked about this in my in my newsletter this week um the first time i met tua but um but really it was from day one and like i think he's been hurt every year that i can remember i think he was hurt a sophomore in high school i I think he was hurt as a junior in high school. And it's not toughness things. I mean, the way you hurt his hip and Bama,

there's nothing you can do about that. Concussions last year, whiplash. Dude, that's just a bummer. He got swung down. So I think he's super tough and he's thick and he's strong and he's all these things. That's just always been the thing with him. And that's my concern is like,

I'm having so much fun watching them play right now and the way that they're doing it. I just really hope he stays healthy all the way through the end. Do you think Rodgers could actually come back and play this year? I do because I think he does. I'm not betting against him.

And one of the things- On an Achilles? Yeah, I know. But one of the things, yeah, I know. But one of the things is I learned this. I've got a, you know, no,

I'll just say I've got a close friend. He deals a lot on the medical side of things at the elite, elite, highest levels of sport. And so does a lot with soccer. And there's so many different modalities and things that you can do and machines that are approved in Germany that aren't here. And I'm not talking about drugs. I'm not another thing.

Like I'm talking about machines. I'm talking about modalities and different ways of things. Like we are not like people in European soccer can't believe we do sports medicine this way. And that's been backed up by very smart people who are at the highest levels of this. And if there's one player who's not really concerned, who's not just going to like, listen to the trainer, you know, what do you think your head, right? Like who's going to pave his own way and carve out his own path and do a ton of research

on it and figure it out. And then also have the means to just put them on his plane and get them in. My thing is, no, I don't think you can come back. But I'm interested to see if Aaron can. And Cam Akers is a comp. He came back faster than everybody thought to be able to play running back, wherever he's at with his career, but where he was able to play. So there's been a couple of different case studies.

And I think a lot more people go overseas in the off season and do things and healthy things that are soccer players can do than we do here. And, um, and so, yeah, I have no idea what Aaron's doing, but I got a feeling that if it's like kind of possible, they probably can. I had a buddy that, that pitch that was telling me you know they've actually changed the way they're doing the tommy john stuff now and the turnaround is like the stuff that the data they're getting back on these quicker turnarounds with this new procedure is is way ahead of what we've all been accustomed to so he was like don't rule this out

and i just thought like okay all right but the achilles at a certain age just gets a little tricky but you're right like there's plenty about german technology that i don't know when it comes to medicine so i i will and i've seen it in all walks of life too whether it's on the cancer side of things athlete side of things i just there's a reason that these soccer players play so long and play so many games and there's such little rest time and stuff like that and there's medicines ahead and so i'm not again i'm not i'm not like breaking news here that i think aaron i have no idea what he's doing but i know what he's not doing is ice and stem and asking the jets trainer what he thinks he ought to do he's created i'm sure his own you know just full setup of what he has researched.

He's a very, very sharp, very cerebral guy. If he believes something, it's because he's put a ton of time and effort into it. He's super smart. And so I am fascinated to see what Aaron does with this, because whatever might be possible, it will happen with him. And I think the age is way less relevant when you're nutrition and spiritually and emotionally, you're in a place that Aaron,

I think sin that I think being 39 is way less relevant because I think your body just heals different. And I think that he is just connected to that. And we can, people can laugh about like the darkness or whatever. I was good. Now I think this guy's in tune and I think he's going to heal at a rate. He's going to put his body in a going to heal at a rate he's going to

put his body in a position to heal at a rate that the typical dude uh is not going to heal at and so i i think the 39 year old thing is far less relevant because of the way that he takes care of his body than someone somebody who's maybe more athletic than him and a little bit younger that doesn't take care of them either way okay we'll continue to monitor uh when you watch zach wilson struggle you see a justin fields do you have moments where you're like i don't think it'll ever happen for these guys i hate saying that because i've seen some guys find their way later you know um and their best ball is later, you know, I remember because I played for Mark Trestman in Chicago and I was, at that point in my career,

you know, I thought I was going to be there for a long time. I thought that was going to work. I thought, you know, I just saw Josh McCown play well and Mark kept telling me, he goes, you know, Rich Gannon was MVP in the league at 31. You know, he didn't start till i think he was 29 and so like i there's these there are these stories right they really clicked for them there right um so then i look at it and i go well what are the actual issues right maybe they're

just like they haven't seen enough ball or like trey lance is a good example because a guy i'm not it let's say trey lance were to start this week and play terrible i wouldn't write him off because he's played such little football he had like 400 attempts in college you know like total so yeah maybe he needs to play two three four years before you know i would feel comfortable having an opinion on him when i look at just Justin, I look at Zach, like, you know, Justin played quite a bit of college ball. Zach played quite a bit too. Uh, they got a handful of starts when it comes to Zach specifically. Um, these lights are as bright as they get. And I've had several buddies or clients go to a place like New York, you know,

grew up with Mark Sanchez and watched him go. There's a young, you know know not mature at the time when he went there compared to how you know how he was later in his career and how he is now as an adult but Sam Donald same thing and so those lights man and then what Aaron coming in there and all of it um that I almost wish that he was able to play and develop and get better in a more obscure environment where the lights aren't so bright, where everything's not magnified. He got called out by Joe Namath this week. It's just these points of no return that are happening for Zach. And then as speculation's probably going to grow, we just talked about it, about Aaron potentially coming back.

That's just more pressure for Zach to have to win now, right? And so I look at it when I think about a quarterback's trajectory are they getting better are they getting worse you have to factor in the environment and i think for zach and what he struggled with this is a difficult environment for him to change his trajectory because every little thing matters i heard some stuff where the defense is maybe saying to Sala, we shouldn't, you know, like, who knows who's saying what, but it's just those things compound. Right. Justin's a little different. And we've all seen the clips on Twitter and he's open and he's open and he's open. I go, if you're having a hard time seeing the field and your default is take off and run, that's a hard one to fix on Sundays. That's an off-season thing. So everyone raved about his off-season. So if that hasn't gotten better with off-season

and all the reps and the new pieces and multiple years in the system and all that stuff, I am worried about the trajectory because seeing the field accuracy, I know you can improve on accuracy. You can improve on protections and all that. Seeing the field and who's open and who's not is a thing that's hard to work on

as a young player with a lot of scrutiny and a lot of pressure and you're doing it on Sundays against somebody who knows you're having a hard time doing that and has spent all week figuring out how to make it harder. That was good,

but probably not inspiring for Bears fans. Let's do a little college. Go ahead. I don't want to cut you off. Do you have more? No, it's not. I played in Chicago with Cutler and McCown. McCown had a great year there.

He threw 26 touchdowns on a pick when he filled in for Jay. It's just such a bigger deal like i i was a i was a uh a redskin a bangle and a jaguar and then i was a bear so coming out of jacksonville going to chicago i remember telling my brother this because he'd only been in cincinnati at that point and i go dude you have no idea there's like other levels here of just how big it is and at that time um Chicago is the biggest media market in football because New York and LA split they have two teams Chicago is actually the biggest media market and so like you know I was at Jaguars you know and they'd be like the same three guys waiting to interview you and then all of a sudden you're in Chicago and it's like

there's a standing room only in this room, and we're not even good. You know what I mean? And so I just think that level of scrutiny, how big that is, on paper, Justin's built to handle it. He played at Ohio State. He went to Georgia. He was the number one recruit.

He totally should be built to handle it. Again, if the concern, if that's the concern is seeing the field, it's a hard thing to get better at in games under chicago bear that city that that type of pressure and so that's my concern can he can he play of course yes but if that's the issue it's only going to get more confusing you know it is like bilicek takes the best player away right well every defensive coordinator tries to figure out what the quarterback struggles with and then tries to make that happen more right i mean like that's at high school they do that and so uh i i just think it's an uphill battle and then you got to prepare for your opponent

all week but when you play in a big market and everybody's dumping on you the way that they are with zach and justin right now it makes your week harder it's harder it's more stuff you got to do with think about that week when he slipped and said the thing about the coach and then they had to have another prep that's just more work it's more stuff that you to deal with. Think about that week when he slipped and said the thing about the coach and then had to have another prep. That's just more work. It's more stuff that you have to do to prepare. You can avoid it or not. Either way, it's created more work and it's made your week of preparation more difficult.

And I just think that's pressure starts to mount and I think things are going to be ugly there this year in both those cases. Let's do a little college before we say goodbye. What did Oregon, Colorado tell you about USC, Colorado? That it's with those teams switching over conferences, with Dion now at Colorado, I'm convinced he's going to be there for a while. Joel Klatt had talked to Colin and we were on the same day. We were talking to kind of in the green room or whatever there. And Joel had made the comment that he, Dion told him to his face, I'm not going to the NFL.

This is my ministry. I love pouring into these young men. This is my mentorship. So when I hear that, I go, that makes sense to me. I've been around multiple people that have a specific job, and that's how they view it. So I think he's going to be there for a while, especially because I think Colorado could lose a lot of games this year.

I think they could. I'm on the hype train. I love it. It's awesome. It's exciting. But when you look at their schedule, I think they're going to not be the better team in several games this year. And so, but Dion has the ability that portal, there's going to be some guys that potentially choose Colorado over SC or

over Oregon or the top high school kids. They're going to choose it, Colorado over it because that's a threat now from recruiting and from a portal standpoint, then if you can hang 60 on them, you better. That's what, what Oregon did was go,

no, this is awesome, but there's a level between us and if we would have changed around three or four plays in this game and they wouldn't have gone our way and got yours we still would have we would have beat you by 30 instead of 40 and so i think sc's got an opportunity to go in there and go chill out everybody chill out sc's still where you want to go come with us and so i i just think it's an opportunity, let alone Caleb. Caleb plays against so many inferior opponents.

I feel like he's one of the better NFL quarterbacks today who gets to play against college kids for one another year. And so so many times... Wait, wait, real quick, real quick. Where would you put Caleb as an NFL quarterback tomorrow if you were ranking one through 32? Like ranking them? Yeah. I'm not asking for names.

Give me a number on where you think caleb williams is top 10 visit from a physical skill set confidence level c in the field cerebral all that top i don't know 14 top 13 i think he's totally different than everybody else uh we're in agreement by the way i i just want to hear from you uh every night oh my homes and it's like no no he has a whole thing my homes doesn't have my homes is a replacement runner okay my homes is a replacement runner joe burrow's a replacement runner here's what i mean by replacement aaron rogers is a replacement runner meaning if the defense creates a void they'll replace it they're gonna run and they're gonna replace it and so we're gonna get 15 yards on third and six they're gonna run and they're gonna replace it and so we're gonna get 15 yards on third and six they're gonna make plays with their legs but they are replacing defenders

josh allen lamar um i think jalen hurts is a replacement runner i but you talk about josh and we talk about lamar a couple other guys who know they're gonna cut back stop start jew they're gonna attack so you're the replacement runner or attacking runner and mahomes is on the verge of are a couple other guys who know they're going to cut back stop start jude they're going to attack so you're the replacement runner or attacking runner and mahomes is on the verge of being the greatest player that ever lived so i'm not saying replacement runner is a bad thing right but they're gonna they see the field so well that if you get out of position they're athletic enough they're going to replace right they're going to scramble for that that big play. Caleb's an attacking runner. He has a thing. He's a different run threat than Patrick.

I don't hype in Caleb that much because he's just the most hyped player in the world right now. I think he'd be one of the better guys in the league. He gets to play, going back to Colorado, he gets to play against college kids. That's kind of how I look at it. Most of those opponents, he's got Stanford and he's got whatever. So this is one of the rare times he's like, the quarterback on the other side

has as much or more hype than I do. I think he's going to, that's going to fire him up and we're going to see the best version of Caleb on Saturday. Because it's rare

that he gets to have a formidable opponent in the hype world, social media, and media world, which Caleb firmly lives in and Shadur firmly lives in. And so I think he's going to think this is fire him up. Okay, last thing here.

McShay and I went through, you know, it got to like top six where I'm like, is there a tier at six? And then is it actually to 12? And we just have a lot of good teams which feels flatter at the top now this year than years prior because we got a little too cyclical with the same handful of teams. Do you see a team that you think we're sleeping on?

Do you see a team that we think is overrated? Like give me a team as the landscape of the top of college football just four weeks into this. I am very, very interested to see what Utah is when they get their quarterback back um i mean really the guy they've been playing with nate johnson was really third or maybe fourth because they lost their second string guy to an injury in a scrimmage and then this guy

bryson barn started versus florida and then nate johnson came in So masterful job by that coaching staff to be able to piece these wins together and be undefeated going into Oregon State this weekend. But if and when Cam Rising comes back, that's a team that all of a sudden, you know, everyone has them in their top 10, not even playing with their starting quarterback. Name another team in the top 25 who's not playing with their starting quarterback and who's undefeated, right? So I'm very interested to see what you talk and be.

I'm very interested to continue to learn about texas um i don't know a bunch about it but it seems like quinn ewers had a heck of an off season he looks in great shape got rid of a mullet he's playing great ball um goes gets the big win at bama and and if quinn ends up reaching that potential with that staff around them with steve sarkeesian and there's a guy jeff banks who's been around like there's just a i got really good staff they got playmakers they're in the big 12 so i texas is a team where i go like look at that's good who do they lose to normally they lose to oklahoma can you give me a little on yours because it felt like okay wait if he's the highest graded high school recruit ever and there's a debate on that which i don't feel like getting into because if he's not one then fine he's two but then i remember like going to watch him throw it at the elite 11 and you guys were there and i remember talking to a

different coach being like wow this guy's really really impressive i was impressed in with his laziness and how good he made it look. And it was funny because the coach immediately was like, actually, what you think is impressive is annoying the shit out of me. And I went like, whoa. And as you can tell, when the moment's big,

it seems like he is that guy. I think what he did against Bam on a Saturday night at Tuscaloosa, I think there's a very short list of guys that would play as well as he played. And on top of it was a collective the old line was really good too against a front that wasn't really happening but the ewers thing has always been a little interesting because he's supposed to be this guy yet it seems to be surrounded without and maybe it's all gone now yeah well i i really only been around him a little bit but in uh in high school um so him and kade klubnick were the top

recruits coming out of texas and they had played each other in back-to-back state championships and kade won both of them so then it comes around the senior year in high school that elite 11s when when you're talking about and kade won that was the mvp but it just kind of felt like quinn was like fine with that you know and so there's stuff that you want to get good at at quarterback. You're right. I want to throw it. Great. I want to move.

Great. I want to learn a lot. Right. But then there's some like, do not pass. Go do not collect $200. Like stop. Like if you are soft, right. There's different ways to say that.

Right. There's nothing to do for you. Right. And if you like really don't want to work hard, you better be off the scales in these other categories to offset your lack of work ethic and if you're not competitive and if you don't really want to kick this guy's ass and really win this is going to be hard it's gonna be hard to find success in this and so i just questioned his competitiveness and then after that he skips his senior year in high school to go to

ohio state which never felt like a fit country do with a mullet from Texas, go to like, that didn't make it, but he was like, and it was the first NIL thing. That was like really the first NIL thing. And so he goes there and he, and he makes money.

And it's like, if you think you're going to be really good, if you, if you're the number one recruit in the country and you think you're gonna be really good at this, you do not need to go chase a couple hundred grand right now. Trust me. There's plenty in the future. If you play your cards, right. If gonna be really good at this you do not need to go chase a couple hundred grand right now trust me there's plenty in the future if you play your cards right if you just get awesome at this and so that happened and i'm like and then you know then he transfers and he

goes to texas and whatever and he just kind of like the mullet and he just looked like he wouldn't take care of himself and all that and so you know i i don't i didn't cross phasm a ton but i was like man i hope that guy figures it out, whatever. And then this offseason, I just started hearing things, you know, and all of a sudden you look at him, you know, clean shave, got a haircut. Not that there's anything wrong with a mullet, but it's like almost like a Morgan Wallen thing. You're making an argument against mullets pretty strongly right now. I know, but like Morgan Wallen, right? He's got all these issues, all that stuff.

Then he gets sober and now he's got a haircut. Now he's like the number one artist right but i just think um like i think what happened is whoever's been around him and pouring into him has done a fantastic job and has gotten through to him because quinn this last year's clearly turned a corner he looks great he's playing competitive ball you don't just like throw deep balls and beat mama no you out compete them and so i'm kind of now back on this and this is one of the unique few ones where it's like i don't know the kid very well i i'm actually outside looking in on this one and i go all right well if this dude i know his talent and i know it's sark sark was my brother's

quarterback coach at sc i've known sark since i was just like coach oh like if that's the case then i'm very interested to see if and who can actually beat Texas if all of that stuff continues to align each week. And Quinn is the guy that I kind of have circled where I am just fascinated. I don't train him and I'm watching him every single week because I'm fascinated to watch this. Because for me, I mean, you know me well enough to know that I might not like that kid's game in high school or question him. But I still love him and I want all these guys to succeed i want him to chase it and make it and so i'm pulling for quinn you know um but so far what i've seen is like whatever happened in the last 12 months has been a very good thing and is going to make a big impact on

college football this year and his trajectory moving forward so texas is that other team where i go this is interesting but if when you look at the top 10 or 12 teams for everybody it's pretty awesome there's names that are never up there florida state's never up there alabama's never not up there ohio state's never not up and so it notre dame's up there uh sc's up there so it's just i just think it's such a cool state of college football right now where it's not the same two or three teams and we'll see who the fourth team is. I think there's eight teams that can make the playoff. Those four spots, you can make an

argument for eight of them. Yeah, I think eight's a really good number. It might even be too low as of right now. Jordan Palmer, awesome, man. That was fun. The Burrow story alone was worth it. You can check him out again The QB Room with Kyle Allen to get a Kenny Pickett episode that is dropping today

thanks man, let's catch up again soon yeah, thanks for having me Before we get to life advice it is time for the alliance to join up once again uh just to share some behind the scenes so rudy is it's not the record it's it's your feelings that seem to be doing worse are you okay no i'm it's it's i'm mad at myself you know i want this is becoming a big are you okay podcast last couple last couple of weeks. Just checking in on dudes. You know what's going on? Hey, I need to talk to dudes. Yeah. You know, it's not been great. I hit my first week and I've

lost four straight last. Here's the thing. Last week I was my bet was I had the over in the Penn State Iowa game. I said I was like, listen, you know, Penn State's going to score 30 points in their sleep. They did. I wasn't wrong about that. Iowa just got shut out. So there you go. We didn't hit the over or one in four. I'm kind of like Sam Darnold. Was it Sam Darnold seeing ghosts? Like I don't I've got like four bets written down. I'm so in my head right now that I don't even know what to think. So I might just run a couple by you and just we'll pick one as a collective. OK, that's not always I mean, there's nothing worse than the guy at the diner who's looking at the newspaper just turn into a waitress being like hey do you like penn state

minus the 27 and a half um which is what when it's really going bad that's what you start doing my father's always been pretty good at this and i have a couple degenerate friends and my father came over one day we were watching college ball he hadn't watched like a snap all season and he just goes like oh why would you like you got to play texas you know it was the biggest square play ever he got it right and then the degenerate was like hey ask your dad who he likes this week i'm like he doesn't watch this he doesn't watch it and he's like i need a winner i need like ask him just ask him who he likes and then i was like the thing that's going to suck is if he's right then this is going to be even worse.

I think he ended up being right the first time. And then he was annoying me. And then I was losing. So you're seeing ghosts. That's not great. I really felt for you because we give this pick out. And then Iowa, when they talked about their inactives, it was both running backs and the tight end.

So I was like, okay. It was a Zach pick. It was a Zach pick because everybody I think was on there. I kind of liked it, though. I got to because everybody i think was i kind of liked it though i gotta be honest i kind of liked it and it moved it moved away it was like 39 and a half 40 yeah and then i think a kickoff it was 37 and a half and look they just can't do anything i'm not going to do the nepotism rant but you know that that offense is i feel i feel bad i don't make fun of iowa i feel bad for them because they've had these awesome defenses, and if they just had average quarterback play, average offense,

they'd be a tough out because of that defense. So do you want to go first then or no? Sure. Doesn't sound like it. The guy who saw gambling last year, that is a tough beat. I wrote down four things. Four wrote down i like yeah yeah i got four i wrote down kentucky uh minus one and a half against florida at home kentucky's one two straight against florida i don't know if florida's even that great they'll probably blow them out here so just because i'm picking them but that's

one i wrote down uh this one i'm not going to pick the i wrote this down, but I don't really like it now that I'm thinking about it. The Kansas-Texas over 63.5. I don't really know. This is the week before the Oklahoma game. I don't even know. That's probably a stay away from me. I do kind of like this one, but it's trending in a weird direction. I like the under in Utah-Oregon State.

It's 45.5, I think. It was 47, so it's kind of going down. I don't know if I'm getting the best number. And then I'm kind of debating, do I just go? My first week, I bet USC. I bet the USC San Jose State over, and I hit. Do I just go back to the well with USC? I kind of like their team total over a 48 and a half against Colorado. I think that actually could be a closer game where they're going to need to score

so I could see them dropping 50. So that's what I wrote down. I think I need to go back to the well and just take USC. Kentucky, Florida, I have no read on. The Kansas-Texas game, I could see getting loose. I like your USC team total, 48.5. I do. I mean, Oregon scored their 42nd point five minutes in, and then they went for it on fourth and five again in the red zone, didn't get it, and then just didn't score the rest of the game. So it was 35-0. If SC has to, of their defense isn't nearly as good as oregon's i think that's

the one now i'm not i don't want to advise you and there'll be nothing worse than you getting this one wrong and the other three are right blame yourself that's that's starting to where you're like in your head and then if i get mine right but i i tell you to do this one yeah kyle any read what are you hearing in the streets uh i've only paid attention to one game for this week so i'll just wait for that and i don't want to have any any blood on my hands for this that's for this absolute massacre of a record you don't want nothing to do with it okay i get it i don't blame you i don't blame you it's a sinking ship uh let's do it let's lock it in usc team total over 40 and a half the only thing i'm concerned

about is it's a 9 a.m kickoff time for on the west coast for those guys but maybe that'll like you know i think they'll need to score like i just think it'll be closer than people think so don't be scared off with the early start and slow start you know they're mountain time right there it's not that right back into it one of the only totals i've lost this year minnesota i loved it i loved it uh and then all of a sudden it was 21 points four minutes into the second half. And I was like, okay, didn't happen. All right, what do you got, Kyle? All right, so it kind of registered last week

that we want all these to hit. It's not about, oh, that's a cool bet if it works out. It's like, this is a parlay, which means you kind of want all the legs to hit. So last week when you guys kind of broke down, laughed and was shaming me. Week five. No, it's like, you know, I knew,

I know what a parlay is, but it just sort of washed over me last week where i was like all right let's try to let's try to not when i wasn't into your old miss money line pick for the parlay when you could just take the points yeah that was when it my face may have been the beginning of like i guess we're all supposed to find three bets that work for the audience right okay yes cool yeah yeah so um so i'd like to i'd like to stick with old miss but not necessarily in the way that i have i mean i'm really excited everyone should buy tickets for the show and i don't really want to alienate either side because i feel like there's gonna

be both people good people of oxford mississippi and maybe one day i could be friends with ryan so i don't want to really pick against lsu but what i really am struggling with is this the the line is 67 and a half, and I really don't know which way I want to go under, which is less fun of a bet inherently, but 67 and a half, that's a lot of points, right? I should probably take the under here. It's on the larger scale of things, but you know, there's some questions about LSU secondary. Ole Miss didn't look so great in the scoring uh department last week i know what you're saying you're thinking hey this feels like a 60 62 point game right that's kind of what your head's

at right now right uh i'm look this is not the advisory board you if you like it you like it get it in all right we're taking the under sorry we're taking the under six seven and a half don't apologize don't apologize for having passion well Well, you root for points, right? I mean, passing league. Okay. No, look, unders do suck to root for. It's brutal because you're kind of like, ooh, that was a good punt, but like, are they too deep? Yes.

Like, let's get a couple first downs. You're like, all right, third and eight. Incomplete. Awesome. I mean, it's brutal. I gave out the Cincinnati Rams under, and I'm still like looking at it going, oh, where's that punt going? Ooh, pick gonna be bad all right uh i am really tempted to lay the points again with usc against colorado i think colorado's defense sucks uh and man some of the videos that have come out since eugene about those guys talking shit

now granted that is not the first college team to walk around on the field in pregame and talk shit about the opponent. It is not. But seeing it after they got destroyed, talking about how nobody in Oregon was big, it was like, oh, we're going to fuck these guys up and this ain't nothing. We're going to kill ducks.

It's like, dude, you guys are going to get housed today. I kind of want to do that again. And also, if you think of Oregon at home, 21 and a half point favorites, they have SC on the road. So I don't think that's like, hey, they think Vegas thinks SC is better than Oregon. I think it's kind of the wake-up call of how big of a number you need to put on this game with Colorado's defense. But I'm going to stay away from it.

I'm going to go. Yeah. No, because i've thought about different things but like hey here's what smart money is doing here's a trend and then here's what my eyes are telling me and you you like i i want to do a better job with this and i so far this season i feel better about you know the time we're putting into it but the stuff dion said about cormati by the way was whoa oh about, whoa. Oh, about his recruit? About not being ready? I loved it. I loved it. I did too.

There's Dion quotes every week where I'm like, I wish more people did business this way. Yeah. So, great. I'm glad you brought that up because I love that video I approved of. But it's just, look,

nobody's ever going to watch a video of a team talking shit about their opponent and getting destroyed and be like, I really like their spirit. So, I think Auburn is terrible. Auburn is so bad on offense right now, okay? They're brutal.

They can't figure it out. I think they played three guys in the A&M game. And they're plus 14.5 at home against Georgia. And we know that Georgia tends to kind of take its time until it doesn't need to. And Auburn has a classic history of every time you think they're terrible, then they'll like, you know, hang with somebody. But the years they're beating Bama, they were still like good. I mean, hell, they played the national championship and lost to Florida State on the pick six game. So, or the kick six is what I should say. I'm just going, this is a watching games four weeks in going you know all I really need is

them to separate by two scores in this one and I just think Auburn has real problems that I don't know if they're going to be solved with that roster I usually give Hugh Freeze the benefit of the doubt of figuring something out to get to 20 to 28 points but I I'm telling you I I really didn't like it, even though Mississippi State is a similar example, and yet they scored points last week. So I was thinking about Mississippi State there a little bit with Bama, but I'm just going to go Georgia, minus 14.5.

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I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. The email is lifeadvicerr at gmail dot com. What's good, Saruti? Kyle, I'll tellcom what's good so rudy kyle i'll tell you what's not good is my sleeping patterns right now i was in a pretty good rhythm i don't know if it was uh whatever it was in spain ever since i've been back so i did uh it was time to do a

mattress upgrade and i when i tell some of these stories though and then people will be like hey are you okay like it's kind of a joke but not a joke i don't i don't really know what to do so i went in knowing i had a plan because i'd had i don't know if i want to name the mattress company because they're great but we know that we also have other mattress sponsors over the time so we'll just so this is all keep it all straight yeah there you go it's just all positive like who was it who destroyed was it canal we just talked about that recently he was just destroying wendy's or something yeah yeah yeah he uh he said they're trash fries i don't even think their fries are that bad but yeah not great i think they're good i think they're salted well actually i love wendy's so you know yeah your sponsor

right now pro wendy's podcast uh but yeah that's that was always one of the things with some of the guys every now and then he'd be like let's be a little delicate even if they're not a sponsor you know they could be a potential sponsor down the road i think van pelk got in trouble with subway once because he said on the air he's like they cut the cheese in half so it's really half the amount of cheese bullshit and then he had to actually like straight up statement no not even issue a statement he had to like talk to a guy at subway who was upset here's the thing though he's right they do do that so you know yeah but if you were in sales if you were in sales and

you're trying to sell the subway fresh take hotline and you're trying to renew that and some swigging dick down in Fort Worth is like I don't want to do it because that tall guy started knocking our cheese dispersal so it's something to always think about anyway so I go because I knew I was gonna be moving some stuff around furniture wise. And I go in and the, the story hit, well, I'll just say it's Tempur-Pedic because it's a win. It's a win across the board. So years and years ago, when I was still in Connecticut, I'd had started to have this like back soreness that was just different from anything else I'd experienced, you know, not just a normal back pain of whatever. And so I was like, what the fuck? And so I researched the

mattress part of it. I call it Tempur-Pedic and to their credit, they were incredible. They were like, well, what do you have? I was like, I have this, but maybe you should try something firmer. I was like, okay, let's try it. I was like, I don't know that I'm a firm mattress guy. I just don't think I am. He's like, well, don't worry about it. I was like, so what's, well, how does this work? And they're like, we're just going to replace it. They replaced it like years after I had already had the other one in there. It was incredible. And it wasn't any like, hey, I'm doing reads for you type of deal. So they switched it out and it's consistently been the best mattress I've ever had. It's firm, but it's not something I ever thought it would have. Back improved. Incredible. So it'd been a bunch of years. I'm like, I'm going to go ahead and

upgrade this one and then switch this one somewhere else. So I walk in and the guy's like, all right, what's your deal? What are you looking for? I go, I want firm. I want a firm King. Maybe the cool one. I don't know though. You know, we'll see. And the guy was like, well, the, the, the cooling ones aren't as firm as our firmest firm. And I was like, I I'm your guy. I want firm. And so I tested out and they put a little, little thing down. And the guy's like, what does your wife think? Like,

do you want to wait until your wife gets here? And I was like, you know what? I, you know what partner? I was like, she just trusts me. That's why,

that's why it's worked out. Like I just lied and didn't feel like, well, you know, cause I don't give a fuck, but then sometimes it just leads to conversation. Yeah. Right. Right. Like, you know because i don't give a fuck but then sometimes it just leads to yeah you don't have the conversation yeah right right like you know oh we should introduce you to sarah who works plenty of fish right right this guy's got more disposable income maybe we'll

maybe we'll get him the double up right right so he you know because he couldn't believe it he's like you're just gonna go ahead holders he's like you sure you don't want her i was like you know the thing my rule is you know like that david spade bit when he tells that story he's like, you sure you don't want her? I was like, you know, the thing, my rule is, you know, like that David Spade bit when he tells that story. He's like, I don't eat them and they don't eat me. Like whenever Spade tells that story from busing tables when he's in Arizona and he started like just doing his fucking routine with customers and the managers, like, what are you doing?

Stop talking to the tables. And Spade tells the story. He's like, what are you talking about? I'm killing right now. Anyway, so I'm it all off i'm like don't worry don't worry don't worry thing shows up it's the firmest thing of all time it's so firm it's incredibly firm so i gotta i gotta go check out today and be like are these supposed to break in a little bit here because whatever i had before this is this is another level up so not a not a critique i just may have gone a little too hard in the paint on the firm

layout i feel like uh because i'm with you i typically like a firm mattress but i do feel like mattresses are like hot wings like you don't get the hottest one you know you get like the second or like you don't get you don't get the most firm mattress okay you get like you know you get the set because the firm one's probably gonna be like a cardboard or not even cardboard like yeah something like that and like some people love that like i know i have family members that would sleep on you know plywood but you can't you can't go with the top top top firm one because you know could you jump on it does that help did you try doing that i'll admit well the first time i like popped onto it right out of the box because the guy was like you know when you get it it's

going to be firmer than this one's in the store and i was like yeah one of those that rolls and then it like kind of gets air or is it fully it's fully okay no it's it's it's ready to go out the box and my guys uh my guys are fast those guys are the fastest guys i've ever seen in my life you should have seen these dudes like they were going they're not getting paid by the hour they're getting paid by the truck and they're like let's get out of here like we're not fucking around i loved it it was great but yeah as soon as i jumped on it it it may even hurt. Like I was like, oh, Jesus. So we're going to have to do a little more research on it.

I'm not worried. There's a warranty. Their customer service has been incredible. But I'm not used to it is what I should say right now. But this was happening post-Spain. I don't know what it is about the European airman. I was falling asleep here. Jesus Christ. Reminds me of a time in northern mallorca uh so there you go i just wanted a little do a little update on that because i i just knew i was going to tell saruti anyway but the guy just could not

believe i wasn't going to have my wife and because once i lied about having a wife then he just kept being like are you sure are you sure your wife is going to want something this firm and i was like jill love it like get me the fuck out of here get me out of the store have you guys ever taken a spin in the sleep number bed or no i have not uh i did i think i saw an ad though recently that was like 80 of nfl players sleep in sleep number beds i'm like that can't be true there's no even if it's even if Even if it's not true, I think it's my next benchmark of happiness. It used to be, I'll make this much money. I'll make that much money.

Oh, I'll stop taking the bus. And now I think my next benchmark is going to be sleep number. When did the stop taking the bus one? When did you clear that one? I think that was 2019. That was great. Nice.

That was great, 2019. I was like three hard bus years. I mean, since like 2016 to 2019. Yeah. You were LA bus guy for three years. And I mixed in the scooters every once in a while, but I had a really nasty crash on the way to work one day. And I was like, we need to really zoom out

and just be like, how serious do you want to be about the scooter thing? And now that I drive a car, I'm like, ah, get these guys all and throw them all into the jail. They don't belong in the lane with me. So I've done a lot of growing up i love when everybody thinks that kyle had it like easy the guy rode a bus in la for three years i didn't even know that no wonder you're no wonder you're such a good dude you did get a car though right didn't you get a car yeah or something 2019

nice shout out to whoever that is yeah shout out to that okay uh anything else no follow-ups i assume i've covered it all right no so uh let's start with the life advice out of my league girlfriend asks what i like about her 20 times a day that That's a lot. It's not going to change either. Okay, let's try to put a stop to it. See if we can't collectively come up with something. 28 years old, 5'11", 165, 205 bench, 315 squat,

45-pound dumbbells, curls. That's heavy. Player comp is Patty Mills with the handle of jalen brown see there we go just like we said in the open used to play club lacrosse and intramural basketball now play tennis golf okay i think right after the jalen brown thing if you're listening and thinking of writing anyone in that's kind of where the cutoff is like we got it the only thing i'm interested is regions i think like just like broad like south there's many times i'd be interested in is regions, I think. Like, just, like, broad, like, south. There's many times I'd be like, is this guy from the east coast? Or is he from, is this guy from the, you know, the southwest?

I think that would matter more than the fifth stat thing. But just wanted to throw that out there. I support that. Yeah. We had somebody ask if we could have people do, like, cold tub updates. And I was like, what? Because I had said, hey hey i was in the cold tub and then people were like what temperature how long what's the setup and then it was like what

might be interesting is having people that use cold tubs i was like no they're already too long as it is in the second paragraph kyle it starts with this little tidbit uh tidbit i live in a city a large city in the east coast and have a boring, but highly paid job in finance. I started listening to bill 10 years ago. Ryan, five years ago, I was in a relationship with a girl I met in college for six years, broke up last year.

I was single in the dating scene for the past year. A lot of first dates, but only a few relationships. I've been dating a girl who I feel like is out of my league for the past three months. Picks included. She is very cute athlete. You can tell,

uh, I think I'm a pretty average looking guy and she's a hot 5'10 former D1 basketball player. Whoa. Okay. I get that there's more than just looks when it comes to these things, but even though I have a great job, solid group of friends, low tier open mic, sense of humor. Very good line. I feel like I'm punching above my weight class. She's giving me hints. She wants a husband for she's 30. We're both almost there. And planning vacations with each other's families for next summer. So I feel like this is long-term potential here.

The problem is she asked me if I like her about 20 times a day. We'll be watching football all day together, and she would ask me at least once every hour. That's a lot. That's fucking awful. She's not content with just a yes. I have to go into detail about what I like about her. Whenever we're together, she's constantly asking me and when we're apart, I have to text her what I like about her.

She always wants me to tell her something new. And I've just been regurgitating the same things for the past few weeks. I'm all out of new content. Every time she asked me, I can't help but think of Charles Barkley saying she's the pretty girl that you got to tell her she's pretty. And coming up with excuses for why I'm laughing when I'm really thinking about Charles Barkley. I've tried to play it off.

Like she'll ask me before I get in the shower, then after I'm done showering, she'll ask me and I'll be like, the shower didn't change how I feel about you. But it's not enough. She still needs me to go into detail about why I like her and always want to hear something new that I've never told her before what do i do how do i get her to stop asking me if i like her without coming off like i don't like her she's clearly a girl i see

a future with but i feel like this has been crazy uh is this just the penance i have to endure for dating a girl out of my league i haven't cracked yet but how do i change the subject and not tell her i'm thinking about charles barkley every time she asks how i feel about a relationship that's a lot man that's a lot i i think the one thing that i feel really good about with the email is that you've admitted basically you see a future with this person that all the other stuff is good enough for you to be like hey this could be somebody i'm gonna you know plan on spending the rest of my life with so the fact that this is the only thing like i always think that's really important wherever we're talking about some of this relationship stuff it's like man you can you can find something

that you don't like about everyone okay no one has the 100 approval rating but this is this isn't a flaw as much as it's well i guess you could say it is it's just that's a volume this is eddie house of like asking questions you were fucking like that's that would i'm afraid you're gonna break like everything else can be really really good but you're gonna break over something silly that actually could be avoided if she could just tone it down a little bit kyle yeah i mean there's a couple things here i would say hey what could be kind of funny is you could like if you guys both have iphones just start a shared notes and every time she asks you be like see the notes i updated it

yesterday and then you just have you just have like this list of things and then it's like if you if you ever need to it's like funny it's a little cheeky she might not like it but you could just be like uh you know you can even date him be kind of funny like august 12th noon cute sneeze you could do you could just do that and then every time you're like well i updated the have you been keeping up with the notes i updated it like two days ago when you uh fucking made that great pasta or something uh and then the other thing i would say is if you're thinking about addressing this some people just have a real issue with how it comes out like we were watching i'm watching

prison break uh with uh with my wife now i never made it through yeah rewatch never made it through because they couldn't just a great character for them to keep breaking out of stuff over and over and over again now they're breaking into stuff now season four but um i didn't make it that far i really liked in the beginning and then there was just there was eventually a tap i think panama i was like wait a second. Are we just traveling the world getting locked up? I think Panama's when I tapped out, too. Guys in college were so into that show.

I remember it. It was good. Watch parties. Oh, yeah. Incredible tattoo storyline. What a great development. Oh, God. And then he just takes it off.

Yeah. No, look. Great, great. I don't know if it was the first two seasons or whatever. I was super into it as well. Anyway, I think I may have tapped out when they were working outside, but go ahead. Well, anyway, she's like telling me her thoughts on the show. And we're like, I'm trying to think like it's now it's not stopping. It's not stopping. And we're like into like a monologue now. And she's now like repeating the point she already told me as I'm trying to watch as i'm trying to watch the show and you know i need my full focus i even like i watch with subtitles just to make sure i get it all and she's just going and going and we've like when we've rounded the corner of like all right

we're circling back on points from the beginning of this monologue i just i said it i was just like wow pretty talkative this episode or something dude really really fucked that one up yeah i mean tears and then like we just basically had to stop watching i we paused it discussed it for like 10 minutes so like a thing that you know she didn't get that it was bothering me i tried to say it a nice way and not being like can you stop uh i in hindsight there's probably a better way i could have delivered that message or actually if i could do it over again i wouldn't have said anything at all. Just suffered through it. But it's just like, I don't know.

You think it's a thing that everybody would pretty much be on board with. Listen, you're talking through the show, you know, fine. But it just came out wrong, even though my intentions were good. I think it's a big issue. So like you, you like breaking down one day and be like, listen, you know, it's kind of a lot. You need this validation for me or for me to it's a lot for me to think of something even though it sounds good in your head it's probably not going to come out that clearly in like a way that's not going to cause a big issue so i would i would pump the brakes if you're like at the end of your rope here thinking about just describing how it makes you feel because that doesn't necessarily always work

yeah i mean insecurity is pretty wild she seems incredibly insecure which sucks um and usually like you know those get kind of out of whack right like the people that shouldn't be secure are like you know the most confident themselves and sometimes like you can get a 10 who just doesn't think she's cute which is very strange but it's it's pretty annoying i don't know that there's like a solution here though that like really doesn't hurt her feelings because yeah you can be like stop asking me she's gonna be like well this is lame I don't know that there's like a solution here, though, that like, really doesn't hurt her feelings. Because yeah, you can be like, stop asking me. She's gonna be like, well, this is lame. You don't care about my feelings. I guess I kind of like Kyle's like notebook idea. Because then like, at least like, it's still gonna be an annoyance to you. But at

least like you have like, there's something that she can go to whenever she has these thoughts in her mind. You know, I don't I don't really have a great solution for this, though. It just seems like you're kind of stuck. I mean, you seem like you're out kicking your coverage and you're happy with that. But I don't know. This could be a deal breaker. I don't know. It's definitely going to be annoying. I'm annoyed reading it.

And I feel bad because there's all the other things that you really like about it, clearly, because you didn't bring up anything else negative. I think the best move would be and I know like the easiest thing is just saying, hey, talk, but you might have to do like a full blown Ryan Gosling pull her aside. Like that time she asks you before you get in the shower and then you get out of the shower and, you know. You're you're you're glossed up. You wrap the towel around her and you say or yourself, either one, I guess. Now I'm saying it out loud, But you just walk over to a little spot

in your apartment, your house, whatever. Split ranch. And you just absolutely love bomb her in a way that tries to cut through all the insecurity

that Cerruti was right on. You're totally right about that. Where you have to like have this speech prepared that's so intense but so incredible and she responds so well to it and then you can even end it with something where you're like i don't need to tell you that i love you 20 times a day because i'm always going to love you when you're asking me

no the answer is already yes um and i just found a thing on brides.com which is one of my home pages and it has the 30 yeah this is from an article last year the 30 best romantic quotes from movies you could say like i'm also just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love her you may want to switch that up a little bit uh you complete me as number one you could have a lot of fun with this and just memorize these 30 and just deploy you just say i wish i knew how to quit you broke back mountain i want the fairy tale pretty woman you're my air that's from brown sugar i'd rather die tomorrow than live 100 years without knowing you pocahontas um you know people do fall in love people do belong to each other because

that's the only chance that anyone's got for true happiness breakfast at tiffany's very good line that movie's popular so if if she doesn't get through to her on like the first one like when i'd heard gosling's quote about ava mendez and he was like i didn't want to have kids until i met her because i couldn't imagine having kids without her like fucking take it easy than the rest of us gosling you know we're out here and it can't be that hot yeah like you're gonna be that and you're gonna say something like that on top of everything else you bring to the fucking table like you know throw in the towel for the rest of us when i read that quote i almost teared up i think i was just in the grocery checkout lounge that line and saw it on people

i'm like that fucking guy so you may have to do something like that really notebook the shit out of this and if that doesn't work then i and you still want to stay with her and you know it's just going to be annoying i would turn into your own little game here again prides.com has the best 30 lines and romantic movies that's a it's a good point you bring up though know it's just going to be annoying, I would turn into your own little game here. Again, Brides.com has the best 30 lines in romantic movies. It's a good point you bring up, though, because it's kind of like the, you know, not saying you shouldn't buy flowers on a birthday or like a Valentine's Day or whatever, but it's the flowers on like a random Wednesday that actually mean the most. So, yeah, it's the compliments that you give that she isn't asking for. Just start, you know, once she gets home from work, just throw her a compliment. Just like

do it when it's unexpected and And maybe the questions will stop. Or you just do the opposite, right? Where it's just you get caught smoking cigarettes and you got to smoke the whole pack, which never happened to me, by the way, before you ask. And you just you compliment her until she's like, I'm I'm really getting mad. Yeah, but sometimes it just needs to be so cut. It has to cut through. It has to be super efficient.

Like, I forget what it was. I might have had a phone in the family plan or something. And look, I just didn't have any money. And I was bad with this kind of stuff. And my dad called me up out of the blue and goes, hey, I just got a bill for this thing. And I was like, yeah, I know. And he just cut me off. He goes, hey, pay your fucking bills.

And he hung up on me. That was 20 years ago. I've never forgotten it and it it what was i gonna say well now i don't think you want to say that to somebody who's potentially gonna be your wife like hey this is fucking annoying but the gosling version of what my dad did to me good luck yeah can you just reverse it i'll be like what do you like about me just always ask just just flip it right around be like what do you like about me just always ask just just flip it right around on her i don't know it sounds like she may like this content like i like that you are you're asking me all the time now this is fun

okay good luck good luck dude so rudy's getting destroyed for being a middle seat guy see i don't i don't understand this. Yeah, like the Rosillo memes guy sent out something that I've had a bunch of guys being like, this isn't that weird at all. Do you feel like Rosillo memes crossed the line, Cerruti?

No, no, not at all. I just think he's wrong or she. But I don't understand the big deal. Do you sit in the middle next? Yeah, probably. But listen, I don't want to listen. It is what it is. I don't put anybody in a box.

I will say the middle seat when you're sitting next to your significant other. Like, that's not that weird. I think it's actually more weird that you would go aisle to aisle. I don't want to. I'd rather sit next to in the middle next to my wife than sit in a whole row of strangers. I'm also not a big aisle guy. So maybe I'm wrong. But what are people saying?

I don't know. Here's where I think it's wrong, and this is because I know you, and they don't. But for anybody that's suggesting like Cerruti's this simp that just goes middle seat because he wants to keep his wife happy, which is what's happening, you have to know Cerruti and that it's not that. There's probably a fine line between easygoing and being a pushover.

Cerruti's not a pushover. He's just like, whatever. He has kind of the best approach of anyone I've interacted with, at least on the work side of things, where you may be annoyed by something. You may even get mad about something, but you don't. You move on. And so if it were as simple as like, hey, my wife will be happier with this seat and I'll just sit here like I don't give a shit.

And that's what I think goes into your decision as opposed to you looking at the window seat guy, pining for his position and just letting it churn your insides for four hours on a flight. I think you just are very easy going in a lot of ways that make you a very easy person to be friends with, or, you know, I've never dated you, but so when guys are just, guys are just pouncing on you as like a beta thing. And I'm sticking up for you, not because we're friends, but I'm sticking up for you because I know you and I just know the way you're wired and that you were just like, whatever, I'll just sit here if it makes it easier for her. And she just had, and she's a mother. She's a mother now too.

I just think the math of it, right? the wife is gonna like lean on the dude right isn't that how it isn't that kind of how it's gonna play out yeah maybe you're sitting next to each other so why did the dude have the support why doesn't the dude have the support of the wall and then she's leaning towards you and then that little space between you know the middle seat and the random who all these guys and on twitter are just, I'm not going to have my wife sit next to a random. It's like you're on the other side of your wife. Like, it's not like you're sending her in the gas station while you're fucking, you know, pumping gas. It's like it's all the stakes are low there for all that. So all the dudes that are just like, oh, I'm not going to have my wife sit next to a random if

she could sit next to me in a wall. It's like, what's the difference? I just think if you're the one who has to be, why do you have to be the the dude that's sitting at a 90 degree angle while you're getting leaned on why don't you just lean you guys all lean against the plane how about that a couple things well one my wife doesn't like flying she's not she likes she likes the aisle because there's easy access to the bathroom or whatever she needs space escape hatch yeah like yeah exactly um and i and again to your point right like i just don't care that much that's it and and sure like the the irony here is like people being like oh saru's a simp which i i haven't seen that but i'm sure the emails have

flooded in if you great way to find out if you told my wife if you told my wife that like she would literally laugh at you because like i am like i i've told this i'm moody i could be a little bit rude sometimes like i love my wife she's the best but like I will tell her when I think stuff is stupid or when I think like this is fucking dumb I just don't think this is that dumb she doesn't like sitting on planes and she wants to sit on the aisle and I'm not just gonna and I don't want to sit in an aisle seat because I don't I don't really care about the aisle I think it's that great of a seat I'm a window guy so I'll just sit in the middle it's fine like I don't really care so I don't know i think all these people if your proportions were different you would still feel

this way maybe maybe but i'm a small yeah i'm 5 10 you know 160 like i'm not you know if i was pushing two 30 maybe i think about yeah it's hard for me to throw the 160 goggles on you know i just don't even really know what life is like so kyle would you would you do this would you sit middle and have have your wife get the aisle or window no my wife's in the middle every time she wants to be next to me i'm also great sitting not next to her if it's just like hey she's added herself on to like a trip that i was taking before like i was like oh i thought you said you couldn't go and so we just didn't even sit next to each other and i wasn't like hey we're gonna try the we're gonna try the can can i switch with you thing so uh you tried it it didn't work no No. I was like, we're not doing that.

I'm not. You wouldn't even offer it as an option. No. No. And she's fine with the middle seat. She's, I don't know, 5'2", 110 pounds. It's like, okay, you're swimming in that seat. So that's totally fine.

Yeah, this happened to me on our flight to Portugal because I booked it through Spotify because we were going to Sweden. So whatever. So my wife booked separately. And we booked booked for some reason like we booked seats next to each other and then they got changed right and we were in completely different areas of the plane and my wife was like well we have to sit next to each other and i was like do we do we like i don't i don't i don't care like if you want to you could do all the the paperwork and call you know delta or whoever tap air or whatever it was you could do that and she did and because she wants to next me because she gets a little nervous on playing so it's fine but i left that up to her but yeah that was my question i was like do we actually have to sit next to her so all these people that are just coming at me i i i don't i

don't get it man it's not that big of a deal i get it but i'm defending you i get why you're wrong but i respect you yeah right okay okay uh let's do another one here bummed out kid freshman year six one player comp managing overly with half the speed and twice the hair uh so i understand i'm probably quite young for what you're normally what y'all are normally used to giving advice to since i'm 19 i get the feeling most listeners of the show are typically older but i never miss a show and i can't ask anyone all caps in my personal real life about this. All right. I met my girlfriend senior year of high school. She moved to our city in Texas. We began dating in December. And after she was a date to my New Year's Eve party with friends, definitely my first love or

TBH, even my first serious crush. crush so yeah the infatuation was all hella serious from both of us that's why what happened is particularly shocking although according to my dad and my brother it seems like i'm the only one in the world who was shocked we went to different colleges uh both d1 schools only three hours each from each other so it wasn't the end of the world however as soon as we decided this in may my dad and older brother were urging me to call it quits i chalked this up to them being extremely weirdly hyper masculine about every little thing on earth and didn't listen to them for a second i don't understand why you would think it was them being hyper masculine their toxic masculinity yeah i just want you to enjoy college buddy

yeah right i don't i don't think that's it don't look look at all the memes, dude. So I didn't listen to them for a second when they said, you do not want to be the guy who has a freshman college girlfriend in another school. Turns out they called it. Five weeks in. Five weeks in. She got drunk, made out with a guy at a party, according to her. I was gutted.

We were fighting for a few days over it, and then I get a message on instagram from the 23 year old at her school he sent me screenshots of their conversation it was definitely a lot more than hanging out or making out they hooked up they hooked up guys this is so he told me he had no idea she was dating anyone and felt like he was doing the right thing by snitching all right just real quick why is he 23 yeah what on campus dming you like five weeks she could still be 17 dude right it makes you feel anybody he sounds like a fucking clown so um yeah one of those like there was like a lot of lacrosse hockey guys that were older freshman year and it was just it was a weird scene yeah yeah so sent screenshots um he he told on the girl because she lied to him i'd probably appreciate his bro coded morality more if he wasn't built like a roided mma version of

we take back what we said earlier about this guy he sounds awesome and very cool friendly this guy's the best yeah yeah real straight shooter um didn't help my wounded pride at all i am crushed crying in private over it betrayed questioning myself my self-confidence as a man feels empty right now i obviously ended immediately blocked her on everything the last thing i told her via text before i blocked was to do me one favor not tell anyone we can just tell everyone the distance was too much so we broke up. Well, the distance kind of was why you broke up and then this happened.

Maybe it's a male instinct, but I don't want anyone to know. I have no support system though because I can't tell anyone without feeling completely humiliated. On one hand, I do get regular attention from hot girls. Well, it sounds like you just, you're problem solved. I was worried about you there partner for a little

while uh i do get attention from hot girls but i can't even think about ever trusting a girl again and obviously confidence is super low right now and i feel like i did something wrong can't shake that feeling please let me know if there's any experience you guys have had to get past the first betrayal of heartbreak of your life yeah dude i same thing happened to me we already talked about it one time girl came up to visit me i thought she was visiting me she'd wait until i fell asleep she would sleep my roommate in his loft and then get back into bed and cuddle with me so yeah that stung a touch all right um i went full dick mode i was like well i guess you just got to be a dick all the time and that's how it works out instead of being nice and i was in that, some would say too long. And, you know, easy.

So I think, first of all, here's the deal, because it's the first time it's happening. And because you're young, you're freaking out. Your brother and your father are right. The long term, long distance, excuse me, you just add them all up. The idea of the long distance, long term college relationship has like almost zero success rate. OK, it doesn't usually work and you kind of shouldn't want it to work because in you're limiting your own experiences. So you can't even really be that mad at her, even though she betrayed you, because this is what happens. It's the first time you're sort

of out of the house. You think you're an adult. You're not really an adult. And all of these senses are flying around like crazy. And her friends are having fun. But then she's talking about her boyfriend three hours away in the whole deal. And then she feels like she's kind of left out. And then she just goes for it with apparently a 23 year old dude who was just hanging out, who looks like, I don't know, Chael Sonnen. So I think the part for you is that you have to understand that every one of us as older is listening to this could have predicted that all this is going to happen except for the rare exceptions which you don't need to hear from congrats to you guys so you're not alone even though you feel like alone because it's very normal uh the other part because it's the first

time those first ones those first heartbreaks are fucking brutal because you haven't built up the scar tissue for the next ones that are going to come so yeah you're feeling something you've never ever felt before because it's following something else something you've never ever felt before because it's following something else that you've never ever felt before. So I can only tell you that it's never going to be as bad as you think. But you're letting this get a little weird. Like why you can't tell anyone

as if it's some knock on you when you didn't even necessarily do anything wrong here except have outsized hopes for this relationship, which is totally fine. I'm not blaming you for doing it why do you have such an issue with somebody else knowing about it no one no one's really going to give a shit dude like there's a lot of people this has happened to and if anything it could be a bonding thing with somebody else

um what you can't do is you can't let it ruin your freshman year and then your sophomore year and junior year and be like one of those guys who's like just devastated and derailed because I can promise you that the time you're wasted obsessing over this you will regret that time later on you are at phase one of what is usually like the best for and sometimes longer for other people, the best stage of your life, because it's kind of real, but it isn't. And there's always something to do. There's always people around and look, you're already doing 90%, like better than 90% of the people chiming into us. You just said hot girls pay attention to you. Problem fucking solve. Use this as a sob story for sympathy. All right. Or don't use it. Try your game out. Go post. Shoot from the outside. Be a 3 and D guy some night. Maybe you set some screens.

My point is, is you need, and I know it's very easy because I don't care about this, but you are saying some things that are way too dramatic for what happened. And you may not understand that right now, but I promise you that I'm right. Yeah. I think you got to shift modes for at least, I don't know, the rest of the semester,

if not the year, maybe do some shit you're not proud of. Not in a bad way, but like you're saying, be a, just, you know, let it fly.

Right. Kyle. Yeah. That's, that's what I mean, because you're telling you, you're going to overanalyze all this stuff. Like, oh, can I trust this girl?

How can it's like, yeah, we're not even getting into the trust game because she shouldn't be able to trust me either. If you know what I mean. Make out with a random. Don't wonder like, hey, she's too short or my kid's going to be short. Like, stop. Don't think about that with anyone for a little while. Yeah, a little palate cleanser. And yeah, like you can totally.

Yeah, a little gelato of the dating game. I like that. And like, there's really, I've, so I've never been in this situation. I really wish I got it over with. Cause now I'm married. If I ever get cheated on, I don't know, but who knows what's going to happen. But I think like you can stay with me, Kyle. You thanks you and your old mat. I can use your old mattress. The one that's broken in. So the what I'm thinking of is like you could. This isn't as bad as like being like, you know, your girlfriend's going to work and you're making dinner at home. It's like it's not like you weren't enough while you were there. I think it's sort of just like you were you were away. You weren't actually there.

And while I wouldn't use this as your opener to your new group of friends, this isn't something that nobody's gonna be like oh that guy sucks like I mean it's like that his dick no one's gonna say that nobody's gonna say that right you're absolutely right Kyle that's important beyond the heartbreak thing what you just said is really really important no one is gonna give you like you hear about fucking Nick his high school girlfriend made out with a guy at another school. What a fucking loser. Yeah. Did you want to bring him to that party? No fucking way, dude. It's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen. Go ahead. And then your friends get you through all these terrible times, right? So I hope you are not being like a wet blanket as far as hanging out with dudes. I know. You didn't say anything. I wish you gave me like two sentences about what your friend's situation is. But I think it's just time to lean on those dudes as long as they're existing. I was just going to say that, Kyle. I was a little bit nervous because there was like

no other context about anyone else in your life other than your dad basically telling you to stop being a pussy. I think he's right. So I think I've told this story before, too. But yeah, I went into college dating somebody. She was a year younger than me. She was definitely hotter than me, and I was pretty invested in it. Yeah, she was. Yeah, she was. That's a good looking girl. And I was very invested in it, and it just wasn't going to work out.

I also wasn't going to marry this girl, but you don't realize that in the time. So we're telling you as older dudes, it's like high school, the stuff in high school and college like you just look back and you go man this shit just did not fucking matter like a lot of the personal stuff the stuff that you thought was the end of the world where like man like i'm never gonna meet anyone else like this person again you are like you just are um but yeah to kyle's point about like i didn't hear anything about any other friends like you gotta just like start going out like you can't you can't be the wet blanket as As he said, I don't know. Like I'm not endorsing him, but you're right. You have to, you cannot, it's like working out on the days you don't want to work out. I'm like, Oh, I'm not really feeling it. It's the same principle. It's do not sit around and salt. And I'm not telling you. Cause

like in college, whatever I dealt with, I just was like, whatever, there's always something to do. It's Wednesday. There's something to do. There's something to do there's always something to do it's wednesday there's something to do there's something to do there's something to do and you stay in the mix and i was lucky i had an awesome group of friends a deep group of friends there was always something going on um you know popularity was not an issue or any of that kind of stuff so i was lucky yeah nbd super cool um but it sounds like you like the fact that you're getting attention from other women is a huge you have a massive advantage you have unless you're like totally your perspective is fucked up and you're like actually no no these women like me but um that's a that's a massive advantage from where a lot of guys are in this situation so you know just don't just don't mope

around even if you feel like shit you don't want to do some force yourself to do stuff socially with your friends, because the way the one way to guarantee you won't have friends is to sulk about this and be a bad time. Like there's a reason why this character is written into every movie and every TV show of the breakup. And the guy like wants to keep because everybody knows somebody like that. And they're miserable to be around all the time. So even if you're faking it

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