The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Luka’s Homecoming, an NFL Draft QB Breakdown With Quincy Avery, and Cincinnati Basketball GM Corey Evans Joins

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Russillo starts the show by sharing his thoughts on Luka’s return to Dallas (1:40). Then, he‘s joined by QB coach Quincy Avery to rank this year’s QB class, as well as explain what makes Cam Ward so good and why he’s down on Shedeur Sanders (13:17). Next, Cincinnati basketball GM Corey Evans comes on to talk about his time in OKC, why he made the jump to college, and how evaluating talent in college differs from the pros (43:27). Plus, Life Advice with Kyle (1:08:17)! If I wear Masters gear having never been to Augusta, is that stealing valor? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Quincy Avery and Corey Evans Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, Mike Wargon, and Jonathan Frias Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and 31 points at the half. Perhaps a final examination of everything that has happened in the last two months, at least for the 2025 season in the NBA. We've got Quincy Avery. He doesn't like this draft class. He likes Cam Ward. We're going to talk about the other ones as well, including a deep dive on pro days, maybe even a little Caleb Williams talk in that.

Who's next? The best quarterback in college. And Corey Evans is the new GM for the men's basketball team at Cincinnati. He was with OKC for five years, his story, and how the job will change now in evaluating NBA players to college players, especially with what we have in building rosters in the game right now. And life advice.

Luca returns to Dallas last night and it was emotional. It was a magnificent game from Luca LeBron, incredible in the fourth quarter. But really, as I thought about how I want to start the show and you want to start it with the relevant stuff, this is the most relevant from what's happened in the last couple of days. In a way, I'm like, man, this is still relevant. This is still actually a decent talking point. Now, we think after Luca's return,

and now that it played out, that we can put this to bed for a little bit, at least nationally, locally, this is gonna probably continue, I don't know, you could say years, but you understand the point, like how often daily talk shows are like, yeah, we're just gonna leave with Luca again today. Now I know that going back to the radio days,

there are a lot of topics, I'm like this, we're gonna do this again, you know, Even though ultimately I could have final say of like, I just don't want to do this anymore. There was one day I was like, I just don't want to do deflate gate anymore. This is so stupid. I don't want to talk about it. It's boring. Then sometimes you feel like, you know what, you're going to play the hits, start to show, all right, so the latest, you know, Schefter has a tweet and this, and I just, I hated it. I got so sick of it because we were talking about it all of the time. And you could argue that it was still relevant, but with Luca and what happened last night and where the story has gone now in two plus months, it still feels

worth talking about. I know that I click on everything having to do with this trade. Anything that's new, I'm just always looking to find some other new piece of information to try to further understand this realizing I'm never going to further understand this. We had Tim McMahon who just released the Luca book, Wonder Boy. They wrote it, finished it, it was done. Then Luca got traded. They added an extra chapter. I've read the book, I read the extra chapter. We had Tim on, helped me understand it. And it's kind of all the stuff that we've been talking about now for two plus months. I'm always wondering if there's going to be something new, and there just never really is. February 1st, this thing happened, and here we are.

So maybe we put it to bed a little bit now after his return, this great game, the Lakers win. If you look at the playoffs seedings, it's very unlikely that they'd be facing each other. It feels pretty unlikely that the Dallas Mavericks would even get out of the play in the Lakers or the three seed this morning. And I know there's a lot of jumbled up stuff, but it's just trying to even figure out a way they play each other again. It doesn't really seem all that likely now, even with trying to figure out how a Nico Harrison could do something like this,

I'm never going to find that new piece of information that makes me go like, oh, all right, yeah, now it makes a little bit more sense even if we don't like the trade. And I've just never even gotten there with any of this stuff, which I imagine is the same for a lot of you. Part of the defense of this move during the initial press conference with Nico and Jason Kidd, there's a lot of things that were said, some pointed stuff that was clearly directed at Luca that he wasn't committed enough. I mean, they didn't say that, but that's kind of what they were saying. Didn't fit the culture. Culture is just kind of this catch-all word. It's like, that doesn't sound very good. Defense. You're like, okay, all right, yep, no, that's fine.

Lucas not all NBA defensive guy getting votes or anything like that. But one of the other things that was said was Nico wanted to get, I'm paraphrasing here, essentially in front of a tumultuous off season in 2026. And that's hinting at, you know, teams are going to have some cap space and then who knows, will Luca actually want to stay here? I think the bigger concern in where this thing could have gone wrong is that it sounded like Nico didn't want to give Luca the super max.

So we haven't had a lot of great Intel though, on any hinting that the front office or ownership had said, yeah, we want to keep you booked. That's a super max thing. You've been hurt a lot. Your calf is hurt again. So maybe we don't necessarily want to do that moving forward. But to suggest or hint that maybe he wouldn't want to be here when he's crying during the tribute video before tip off, doesn't feel like that defense would hold up. Now, if I want to be most skeptical guy ever, you can say, why wouldn't Luca be emotional? It doesn't mean that he wouldn't flirt with the idea of moving on. Who knows? Things move fast in the NBA, especially with the stars.

They're surprised all the time. That's the only rule. You expect everything, right? And in this case, I don't want to be skeptical guy. I want to think about Luca coming from a foreign country being 19 years old and playing with the Mavs and having an incredible run last year and building a home and being like, I can't believe this happened. There's also an ego thing. Even if you were thinking that you would want to do something different in your life, when the other person dictates what you're going to be

doing with the rest of your life or at least professional life, in this case with Luca in basketball, it wasn't his decision and you're one of the greatest players your life, or at least professional life, in this case with Luka in basketball, like it wasn't his decision, and you're one of the greatest players in the world, like even if you would flirt it, or had private conversations with your dad or your buddy, and you were like, yeah, I don't know, maybe one day or something like that. But when it's not on your terms,

it's even more of a jolt to the ego. I did wonder if there was a wrestling moment for the Mavs, and this is they put together the PR video if Nico could just be like, hey, let's have him when he's 19 running around looking more athletic. Let's then have him in street clothes. Let's have him maybe an injury or two

or have him complaining to refs and then just be a headshot of me saying, yeah, I did that shit. That wasn't gonna happen. LeBron at one point, I wonder if he was like, man, a lot of Luke in this video, a lot of Luca. LeBron was great in the fourth quarter, the reason they won the basketball game.

But really what it was when you watch Luca watching his own highlights and a crowd that was entirely on his side, despite him being on the opposition, it was like watching a funeral for somebody that's still alive. Like he's right there, but he's never coming back. Nico did show up.

There were rumors before the game that he wasn't going to be in attendance. So credit to him for showing up. The first fire Nico chant was four seconds into the game. They cheered every Luca touch early. He was incredible. He had 21 points in 12 minutes. And I'm not even sure, despite what was technically on the line as Phoenix's season continues to go in the tank.

Uh, I'm not even sure Dallas, Dallas fans wanted to win for the team that they love. And they love so much that they're hurt so bad right now. You could say, well, they wanted Luca to go off and then still get love. And they love so much that they're hurt so bad right now. You could say what they wanted Luca to go off and then still get the win because they're Mavs fans first. I don't know. I mean, I know there's a lot of Lakers fans in the building, but that might be the rare occasion where you're rooting for the other team to prove a point to the guy who's made this disastrous decision. There was a clip of Cuban shaking his head from his courtside seats during another round of the

fire Niko chants. I don't know what it was with him and let's play out all the scenarios. If Cuban, who has done his own media tour here and has been adamant that he would have not done this trade, which I completely agree with, I don't think Cuban's being dishonest. I mean, we know the timeline of events here where he was told basically after the decision was made and he was trying to talk them out of doing it. But if Cuban is so against this move and the fire Niko chance are happening, Lucas going off, the Mavs did get back into the game

a couple of different times, even though Lakers clearly were in control. If he believes this was a huge mistake, why would he be shaking his head? to the game a couple different times, even though Lakers clearly were in control. If he believes this was a huge mistake, why would he be shaking his head? Because I think Cuban, maybe more than most people, but I think all of us want to be right. I think Cuban's history will tell you he probably enjoys being right about things. If Cuban wants to be proven right for his position on all of this. Isn't last night's disastrous experience for the Mavs proof or just a piece of whatever case you're putting together against how bad this is going to be and what a huge mistake this was.

Now you could also say Cuban still owns 27% of the team. He's the guy that hired Nico, despite his disagreement with this move. Nico doesn't answer to him anymore, despite what was supposed to be this transfer of ownership, but not necessarily a transfer of basketball making decisions. You go back and read all those quotes,

like Cuban clearly thought he was still gonna have final say on all of this stuff and promoted the idea of that, but then the NBA wouldn't let him have that. Again, I don't know, that part's not important. But I think what's important to understand with Cuban shaking his head, just looking like he was miserable

during the fire Niko chants, is that maybe, you know, there's part of me that thought, is he being a little theatrical or is it just the reality of like this franchise, this fan base, this city that means so much to Cuban, that he's invested so much of his time in the last 25 years that it's just a really sad night for a franchise that he cares so much about.

Because it has to be a surreal experience to be sitting there listening to, I don't want to call them necessarily like your fans, but it's not wrong, your fan base that supported your franchise and you've cared so much about just turning on this thing that even if you only own 27% of, that's still quite a commitment and a relationship that just doesn't disappear overnight. So maybe that's what that reaction was. Now, as I always ask myself whenever the tide

is just going in one direction, is there any way this plays out where we could all be wrong? That Nico could be right. Now look, the execution of it and only dealing with the Lakers, not putting them on the market, tide is just going in one direction. Is there any way this plays out where we could all be wrong? That Nico could be right. Now look, the execution of it and only dealing with the Lakers, not putting them on the market, not getting more assets back, that'll forever be inexcusable.

There will never be a way, unless Max Christie turns into LeBron, which isn't gonna happen, but you understand the point, kind of like the Marcosol trade. You're like, that doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? Oh, Marcosol ended up being pretty good, but still. The execution will be unforgivable, but is there any,

because as I watched some of the older school, Luca stuff, which doesn't really feel all that old school, because it's only like five or six years ago, you watch some of that stuff and you think, man, if there were a chart of like how he runs around, he really moved a little different. And it's not that long ago. He just turned 26 even last night watching him on a couple possessions.

I'm like, he kind of runs weird. Okay. Sure. He runs weird and he had 31 points in the first half. So, I don't know if Mav's fans got what they wanted, but maybe just for a night. The Ryan Roussela podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. It's the final stretch of the NBA season and the playoff picture is changing by the minute.

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And as we're getting up for the draft, I want to have a little different perspective from a guy that's letting dudes fucking have it on social media when we're talking about the QB. So we'll just jump right in. It's good to see you, my man. What's up? What is going on? Nothing. I want to hear you talk about these quarterbacks in a way that maybe I haven't heard them talked about before. So there's a bunch of different things that I want to get to, but let's just start kind of at the headline stuff. Like how would you rank the top five guys? I would start with Kim Ward. I think that he's obviously number one in the class. I think that there's a large cavity between him and anybody else. And then Jackson Dart,

than anybody else. And then Jackson Dart, Shidur, we're going to put them in the same class and then Tyler Shutt right behind those guys. And those are really my top four. And I wouldn't have anybody else really in that range of top four, top five. I think it's going to be, I guess we can go Jalen Milro, but I just don't see Jalen Milro as the passer that I think is needed to be successful in NFL right now. Like when you watch the Alabama games last year, they would try to protect them. If you're trying to protect the quarterback at the college level, it's going to get really difficult when you have to make a throw on third and seven or just like lead a two minute

drive. Those are things that I think are necessary to be a successful NFL quarterback. You're not going to hear a ton of pushback from me on the last point. I know that you know that. I don't wanna start with Milro, maybe we'll get into some of that stuff here a little bit, but help those of us that don't see the position

the way you do and watch the tape the way that you do understand why Cam, it's almost like you ranked the five guys and the second ranked quarterback was a gap. So give me the intangibles, all the stuff that you see with Cam that puts him at the head of this class. Well, the thing that allows Cam to be rated so highly for me is his ability with his arm, right? And we talk a lot about like how strong is some of these arms.

Well, that is one thing, but he has the ability to throw layered throws with touch, with anticipation, right? You see a defender between the receiver that he feels is open in him. He's able to get balls up and down in a way that I think is unique in this class. Like he has arm talent that is truly unique and you need that unique capability

to be successful in the NFL. He can throw off platform, he can create, he's off schedule, and he also plays with a freedom in his game that I think you see from the best passer. And I don't want to compare him to Patrick Mahomes, but you see some of the same traits now. He's going to have to be a better passer on rhythm in order to be successful in the NFL. But you see flashes of things. And I think that if I'm going to take a guy early on, or like people are talking about with the number one pick, I need to see somebody you can do things that are going to be unique in the NFL and definitely separate them, um, at the college rates. Have you figured out something that you go, okay, this is the most important thing at this position. Like this is mandatory for me to even consider you.

Confidence, right? That's not a physical skill, but that is the number one thing I think a quarterback has to have. And that's kind of the only reason that I even have Shador as a top quarterback because he has that confidence, right? The confidence to be able to go out there and when things go bad, the ability to bounce

back and respond from difficult situations, right? You're going to throw an interception. But what is your play after critical errors? Like what do you do in the next drive after you throw that interception? And that mental makeup that Cam has, I think is truly special. that Cam has, I think is truly special. The downside of Cam would feel like it's very fixable. And that would be the, what can I get away with throws? Right? And the times were, you know, we can always talk about like throwing back across the middle of the field. He pushes that to the limits, unlike any other top guy. Like other guys making those throws, you'd be like, this guy might get benched at halftime. But the rest of it is so good with him. I feel like that's the only noticeable knock where just the casual college football

observers like, what the hell is he doing? Now granted, I think there's some similarities in the Mahomes story where we understood Mahomes better as a prospect at Tech once he explained and once Kingsbury explained it of like, hey, we were going to give up a million points every single Saturday. So he started to play that way. And it's like, man, I wish I thought about that when I was watching him, because I couldn't believe how reckless he could be at times. There, I think some of that applies with Miami and at certain points this season where he had to keep them in these games. But if you have QBs that are like, what did you see there? Can you get that out of them? Is that possible? I think that Miami got it out of him as much as they could. Like if you go back and watch Washington State,

that film, that was like, am lackadaisical chill on steroids. So it's what are we to be willing to accept? And how successful are you going to be with some of those plays? Cause I'm, I'm fully confident like that's who he's going to be in the NFL because he's never been a guy who's been able to play with a ton of structure.

So if we can have success really early on, I think that we'll see him have a really strong career and be a top tier quarterback. But if he struggles to start out the gate, we're see him have a really strong career and be a top tier quarterback. But if he struggles to start out the gate, we're going to have some issues because you are who you are. It's in your DNA, right? He wants to play this way. He wants, he wants to be off schedule.

He wants to let his feet die in the pocket and just flick one out there, rotating his shoulders. There's a discipline to playing the quarterback position that I'm not sure that he has right now. Can he get it? I hope so. I'm not super confident that he'll change a ton in that way.

You must really not like this class because if you were suggesting Jackson and Shador, here's based on your tweets alone here, like it seems like, you know, you're talking about Jackson Shador being a toss up. Let's start with Jackson then, because I saw you essentially agreeing with somebody else

about like, hey, once Jackson has his one read, then he's kind of gone. You know what's crazy is like when I didn't love Jalen Hurts as a pro prospect, which I know you and I battled on a little bit because that's your guy, but I felt like at Bama, it was never an arm strength thing. It was kind of one read and then I think I'm out of here. Give me a sense of why, well, maybe you think I'm wrong about that evaluation of

Hertz at Alabama. But what is it about like Hertz getting out of that and your reservations of seeing too much of that from Jackson and Lane Kiffin's offense this past year? I would not only agree with you that that's who Jalen was coming out of college, one read and would often try to take off. He was also like that his rookie year at the Philadelphia Eagles.

It was the same thing. Right, so it's not, I'm not disagreeing there. So the thing that Jackson, to me, is much like Mitch Trubisky. Mitch Trubisky was really, really accurate when he was throwing to his first reading his progression. Like he could do that at an elite level. And I think that is what allowed him to get drafted so early. But as his eyes had to work through progression, work right to left or first read, second read and get all the way back to like a backside dig, you would never see an accurate pass.

Lane Kiffin is so good that he doesn't have to do it, much like the Ohio State quarterbacks. Like I know people give Ohio State quarterbacks a really difficult time, but it's because Ryan Day does such a good job being guys open. Same with Lane. That first read is gonna be open.

He is, it's just incredibly inaccurate like working through progressions. And then the same way I talked about Cam in terms of plays after critical error. If we go back to that Flory game, I've never seen a top tier quarterback play worse in a situation where his team needed him after an interception and he just continued to make the same errors and that's Really concerning truth. So it's like cam ward could be a starter. I don't see Any other starters in this draft? You mean first year long term long term like they're just not gonna be starting level quarter I think anything outside of just came more going in the first round is a massive

reach. Wow. Okay. Um, should or let's, let's go. Okay. Should do in terms of physical traits. He does have a lead arm. He's not quick. He's not as, doesn't have a lead arm, he's not quick, he's not fast, doesn't have the ability to escape it. That's fine, there's been quarterbacks who've been successful who have lacked those traits.

When you see Shador get sacked, and there's he has a bad offensive line. That's the one thing, when your offensive line is bad and you get sacked, that is an offensive line issue. Shador Sanders shows a ball behind the line of scrimmage, at the line of scrimmage more than anybody in college. But his average time to throw is 2.96. That means he's not processing the other information quickly enough at all.

You'll see times where there's free rushers. As somebody who's watching tape, if I see a free rusher run directly to the quarterback, no one blocks him. That is on the quarterback, right? We need to be throwing hot. We need to have a plan before this. Shador doesn't have plans when the defense gives him anything that he wasn't expecting, right?

We need to be able to play from the neck up. And that is what his biggest strength should be. Like he should be the quarterback in the world. I can recognize these things. I see a high, I may go find a four or five yard completion, the ball in my hand. He's not playing like that. So if you don't have a strong arm, you're not quick, can't evade defenders. And I'm getting pretty rushed hit. Like I have a problem. There's an aspect of the game that I don't understand. And then I've heard teams and I've heard teams talk about his interviews and his ability to even describe protections,

right? Hey, show me six man protection. And he struggled with those things. So those are really concerning to me. And I know that he goes into the first round because of all the hype and all the things that we said. But I think if his last name was Williams, he is a six round quarterback. So it's not the padding of the ball to pro day. I could care so little about padding of the football. I think probably 85% of the NFL quarterback today, Pat the football. It's a rhythm thing. It's a sequencing.

It allows guys to throw the football better. And, um, pat the football. It's a rhythm thing, it's a sequence thing, it allows guys to throw the football better. And I'm not, boom, should or pat the ball you want, but let's make some decisions a little bit faster. Let's have an idea of what we're doing when we get to lunch scrimmage. Now maybe it's something that he just wasn't coached on. And that's hard for me, because I don't get to interview the guys.

I don't know what they're saying in these meetings about what they were taught, what they should have known going into college. But there's guys that I work with in pre-draft who can kill it on the, at least on the whiteboard and you see it in the games. Okay. If I wanted to defend Shador, because I think I've said throughout this, like, at least I know he's tough because he got his ass handed to him for two straight years. And then he seemed to have, maybe I'm being a little theatrical about it, but just that he

seemed to have a flair for like the dramatic. Maybe I'm thinking about the Colorado State game too much, but that it's like, man, there's not really much else that we can count on. Like, can you just get back there and survive long enough to make some kind of play? You're absolutely right. The number, once I saw what the number was and throws the line of scrimmage behind, it's staggering. Like you're like, man, that's why anybody that wants to throw around completion percentages and true indication of whether or not a quarterback's accurate, like it's over, it's been over for years.

You're going to stop doing that with college QBs, but I don't know. Some people still seem to fall for that every now and then. Um, and he had awesome receivers, right? So he had awesome receivers. So that, we're not even just talking about Hunter. I felt like they had like four dudes that were all out there making plays whenever you would watch them play.

Is there enough in the, I sound like I'm making excuses, but I'm just wondering how it would be argued in the room. Like, oh, hey, everything Quincy said is right. Like you're at the other end of the table. Like you're right. But you know, he got his ass handed to him the entire time. He answered the bell every single time.

Like the guy's a competitor, you know, and then you start going into things that may not matter as much, but it comes from a great lineage, you know. Like, cause we know winning games, winning games in college or losing games, like anytime like, oh, Kellen Moore won all these games. All right, Tebow won all these games.

It's like, dude, it won't, it doesn't, like it's a nice thing to say in the room, but it doesn't really eliminate or bump up college QBs, depending on what's going on. I'm just, that's a staggering statement from you to say that he'd be, if he's Shador Williams, he's a sixth rounder. Like that's, that sounds crazy in the buildup

to what's coming up here with the draft. He's tough as shit. He is a tough dude and like you talked about he has a flair for three atricks. You see those games where he really started to do really good things. It's like two-minute offense. What does it even start doing a two-minute offense? They're not bringing pressure. Like he has time to see things and operate. He can play like that. If he doesn't get pressure and the line does a suspicion job, he's okay. But if I know that he has a difficult times with seeing blitzes and seeing rotation and these guys coming and hitting him in his face mask, that's going to be the answer in the NFL. But he, he's a winner. Like there's somebody, but okay.

What NFL coaching staff wants to draft a guy? Cause if you're drafting early, you're not that good. So you don't have that much time left. You know, his father's Dion Sanders, all the scrutiny you're going to get, not just about his play, but his dad's also going to stir some things up. And then I got to worry about Dion trying to take my job. Like there's so many things that make it difficult for me to see like, I know people say dabbing Dion's helpful, but I think that it's like, if I'm the New York Giants, if I'm day ball, and I got to put this guy in, that's not a good situation. Yeah, hear about how much you suck or struggle in week 11. Yeah, that's I don't think it's like out of the question that that could happen.

OK, let's talk Chuck, who's kind of the late comer to the process. He's been at a few different spots, but I think it was always just kind of in the quest of like, hey, how many of these guys? I mean, sometimes you just have a bad class and it sounds like that's what we're ramping up towards here. But break him down for us. Tyler is a really good, much better athlete than I think that people know. He understands that the game that are really high level and when you watch him in the red zone, and that's where I love to see guys, especially the college level players in the red zone, he's able to

make a ton of throws with anticipation. You'll see like back line where it's outside receiver running the dig and we see this and he's able to move a defender with his eyes and work back. Like he's playing the game of quarterback. Like he's playing the quarterback position. He understands what I need to do

in order to set guys up to be successful. He does have the strongest arm. He's athletic enough. He's very accurate. And he's played a lot of football. I think that is something that gives guys a tremendous advantage in some amount of steps they got to play.

And we see that a lot this class, but he has been, he's gotten continually better, right? We've seen him improve. I saw him at Texas Tech. I've seen him since he was in high school. Continue to become a better passer and a better quarterback. So I think that he has an opportunity to be in the NFL for a very long time. Okay. So we touched on some of the Millrow stuff here.

The lead up to this is always ridiculous, right? We've watched him out for a couple years, and now in the months that he's not playing, his stock has never been higher, which should be the first warning. We can get to some of the pro day stuff. I asked somebody the other day, I was like, when's the last time we've heard people not like the pro day from the quarterback?

When's the last time it was like, man, that pro day wasn't really that good. The only two that I got in a few texts was Teddy Bridgewater or Matt Ryan Neither one of those are good. I know people really liked I didn't love Ken Wars program That was not a pro day that I was like, oh, I love this I saw like some outbreakers some things on rhythm that weren't thrown great Skipped a couple he threw probably six or seven routes over. That's not something I feel like

if you're throwing routes on air, you should be 100%, but I've seen him do it in a game. So I just think that it's scrutinized less than it probably should be. Like if I was on TV talking about these pro days, it wouldn't be like all roses and hey man, that was just really good, but I think that these people care so much about

saying good things about pro decks. I saw one kid tweet, he was just really good. But I think that these people care so much about saying good things about projects. I saw one kid tweet, he was the media member I guess, and he was like, I'm literally shaking after this pro day because it was so impressive. And I was like, well, if you're shaking at a fucking pro day, then you should do something else. Yeah, it's a test you created. How do I fuck up a test I created?

Like I literally went through it. It's an open book test. I got the answers there. I've worked this script, the script that we're about to run. I've worked that for the last three weeks. The exact throws, the same people, the same order. And I know people are like,

oh, you're moving out the spot. I did, hey, we talked about, hey, we're gonna move left two steps and then we're gonna push it. Everything is the most scripted situation that it could be. Right. You've done this. Like you're not, when people see you criticizing them stuff on the pro day film and then you're like, yeah, but this guy is also part of his job.

When he's had quarterbacks that are prepping for this, he's orchestrated all of this with the program. So like he's kind of a tough guy to go at on this very specific thing. Right. When I see a clip of like a 60 yard post completed against no one and then it's like, man, he hit him in stride. Like, do you not understand? Like that's what it's supposed to look like every, you can't screw that throw up. You just have to throw it up in the air and the guy runs under, like this is not that complicated. But having said all of those things, like there was, I don't know if it was a Shador throw on one of the pro day deals where everybody loved it and you

were like, that's not what you guys think it is. Like going to his left and getting flat and the flippin' his hips. Like the one Zach Wilson does, right? I think that's the one I'm talking about. Zach Wilson's was harder cause he threw it the other way, but that's a really easy throw. And there's people who get enamored by this, like who cares?

And are you gonna do that in the game? No, so I don't, we can keep doing this in pro days because they made a big deal and Zach Wilson did it and people have been doing it for a ton of time, but it's silly. Okay. So I kind of jumped over the mill roll part of it. That always would alarm me.

Like if you're sitting there deciding to make a decision, it's like how to get somebody who was, although look, I'm interrupting myself here on this one. I was losing my mind after the Georgia game because mill roller is great against Georgia, puts up huge numbers. And then you had guys at ESPN suggesting not only is he a first round pick, he could be in the conversation for QB1. And I'm like, okay, this is now I'm mad. I'm like, now I'm mad. And then, you know, people turn it into like, what do you get against this guy? And it's like, I don't even have anything against him. I have everything against the evaluation because I've watched so

many of their games because look, I just like watching Bahamut games like who wouldn't want to watch them play football this is kind of crazy to me that there are the rumors that there are about where he is with this class well I don't really think much tape to back up any of this stuff forget first round. I don't see like I can cut on the tape. I can watch it over and over and over again. But it's not just when you watch a game and you realize that someone's staff, someone who got to see them practice every single day since the summer, they just had a first round quarterback. I watched that same offensive staff with Michael Pennings, top tier receivers. They didn't have a quarterback this year

and they're scared to throw. Like this isn't an offense that's not built around throwing. They wanted to throw the football and they didn't want to do it because he was a quarterback. So, I mean, the proof is in the pudding in terms of the people who got to see him the most did not have the same faith in him that these people who are like reporting on his draft stock have. So many mocks have him in the first round. So let me, let me do this. Let's, let's try to find a way to be nice about this. If your team, if a fan of the team that drafts him, how do you salvage it? What is there that could make this work? There's some really creative things that you can do in the QB run game that I think can

stress the defense out enough where he can become a good enough pass or where you can start to figure some things out. Right. Cause he's not a good runner. He is a great, like it is insane seeing it in person. He does special things. He's explosive. He has long speed. He's short quickness. He's an amazing athlete.

And we can like really run him in a situation where people have to like make real decisions about how do we put eight guys in the box? And when we started getting eight guys in the box, then the receivers in the NFL are good enough to win against man to man. And if he can be accurate enough to make good, to make solid throws, he doesn't have to make great throws, but he's going to put defensive in position where they have to be, they have to show their cards early because they're going to be so concerned about the run fits that he's going to cause in the quarterback run game. So if you get them, if you have an

offensive staff that's really creative, you can hope that one day he becomes like a Marcus Mariota, right? Not a great passer, but he did enough in terms of the run game that it made it difficult for defenses where he's had a really successful, wonderful career. Trey Lockerbie Are you worried about Caleb Williams at all? I would have been far more worried about Caleb Williams if he didn't have the offensive staff that he has now, because I think that Caleb did not have the structure in order to be successful. And you saw that with his drops. You saw that with his eyes.

He spent a lot of time where you see his eyes go from the left side of the field and just shoot to the right. And that should never happen, right? Because our progressions are not worked where we start on the left side of the field outside the numbers and work all the way to the right side of the field outside the numbers. So either there was a level of confusion with the way that he was coached, right? Where he started the eyes in the wrong spot or they didn't give him a good enough answers

where he could see things early on throughout his drop. So Ben Johnson's gonna do a fantastic job in terms of getting him under center. I think he's gonna have the ability to have more play action scheme where he's able to move the defense early on with run action and see a very clear picture. In your years of working with Elite 11, and it's really one of my favorite things I do all year

long because how smart all of you guys are, like this is sports, we get so much stuff wrong. I find those few hours with the staff and watching the kids throw, those few hours with the staff and watching the kids throw, the hit rate that you guys have on the stuff that you'll tell me is unbelievable. There's nothing that is, I'm serious, man. That's why I always like kind of have to the fact, I'm like, all right, this is like, I remember rolling in thinking like,

oh, this guy's this and then like, no, no, he isn't. I'm like, what? I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. I mean, it's happened with a bunch of different quarterbacks. Is there someone on the positive side of this? Like what you had early and you're like, that? I'm like, you're gonna be kidding me. I mean, it's happened with a bunch of different quarterbacks. Is there someone on the positive side of this, like what you had early and you're like, that guy's a pro. That guy's a first round pick. I'm sure it's happened a lot

because you guys did everything. CJ Shroud, yeah, CJ Shroud would probably be the best example of that. And CJ Shroud was actually someone who came into the lead 11 very, very undervalued. No one saw like the talent. He was actually our last pick in terms of getting into the 22 guys who get to come

and they're doodled down to 11 guys. He was someone who is a mental makeup, made it very easy for us to say like, he's gonna be a first round quarter. I've never seen someone so consistently do every single thing right in terms of like preparation, the little details of the playbook, he knew everything going in, he studied,

he'd been through adversity. And that is a huge thing when you wanna talk about quarterbacks. Who has been through adversity and has been able to make it out on the other side He had that and then he threw the ball with a level of confidence You know, sometimes you'll see a quarterback throw a football and then it looks like he hopes the guy catches it CJ Stroud through every single ball and it was like I know this is gonna be exactly where it needs to be and all this

Guy has to do is a job. And we saw that from him at 17 years old, continued to see it throughout his college career. And it was funny, I think about his first start against the University of Minnesota and he just struggled a little bit to start the game and his ability to just be resilient enough to come back and win that game. I was like, all right, we're good. He's going to be exactly

who we think he is. And he had a bunch of top tier court. I think Quinn yours was buying that year. People were like, yo, we got to get things like, no, I got it. And that mental toughness and seeing this last year where people say struggled a little bit. And I think that if you really dig in the film, you'd have some different thoughts. But that let me know, like that difficult year, he's going to be even better this upcoming season. You want to talk about that third and seventh thing you brought up, which is always kind of my standard rule with college guys of trying to figure out like, can this guy play on Sundays? And seeing some of this stuff, even what could be perceived as a down year for season. Because

I think it was so incredible. Like you're not supposed to be that good your rookie year and the fact that he was after Bryce and all that kind of stuff. But like I would still see throws this year where I'm like there's no like they're screwed and then he finds a way and it's not just about escape ability or anything like that or getting into throwing lane. It's just the zip on and still an accurate ball at the sticks. There's a throw I'm thinking about to Nico right now where he hits him on the sideline and converts. The out-rider, it's on the right side of the field. I know exactly which store you're talking about.

And it's not just energy, which he threw it. It's how early he threw that ball with energy. To have that level of anticipation and Nico hasn't even started to come out of his break yet and then put his foot in the ground and just rip that shit. Like, for one, that takes a set of nuts, right? To throw that ball in that situation, we don't get this first down here, we lose the game.

He does so many things that I'm like, not worried about in one bit. He's going to be one of the best quarterbacks on NFL for a very long time. Got it. I feel like I could do this all day with you right now. I'm having so much fun, but there's two things that I want to get to is lag way. Definitely the best quarterback in college going into next year. Yeah, I think he's really good, but Duke has a quarterback who transferred from Tulane very immensely who I think has the ability to be the best quarterback in college.

But right now if I had to say, here's my best quarterback, I'm going to go with Garrett Nussmeyer. Garrett Nussmeyer plays the game on time. He plays the game with anticipation. And he can do all scheduled things, right? That's the thing that separates, I think, really good college guys from guys who can be great in the NFL. Can you play on schedule?

And then when things break down, do you have the ability to do something special? And Garrett has all those things. When we booked you, I had forgotten that this was in the works, but it's happening. The Quincy Avery effect Hulu April 23rd. I've I've seen some of the taglines on this. Oh, this is big, man. This is a big deal. And obviously I'm really happy for you getting to know you over the years, but what is this going to be about? No, I'm super excited. So it's really my story. And I think that people see me now and they

see like quarterback coach train the top NFL guys, but it's really more of a story like perseverance and all the things that it took to get to the spot that I'm at. Like I was, I was essentially homeless for over a thousand, a thousand days throughout my life. It was like this ability to not quit and like be resilient when things get really, really difficult and you're facing hard times. Like how do you keep pushing through and really knowing where you're trying to get through. And I think that a lot of times people will say things and then actions are not,

not aligned with the things that they said. And I think that when you get to see my story, you get to see someone who's just like, hey, I said that I'm going to get this thing. And every single thing that I did was working towards that end goal. Like I said, I want to be the best quarterback trainer in the world. And everything that I did was like put all my energy into that basket, no plan B and was resilient enough to wait out my time in order to get my first,

my first client. And then that first client was Joshua Dobbs, who's playing for the New England Patriots right now and it was, it's just been a long road but then I'm thankful to be where I'm at. I'm happy for you. This is a big deal. Again, April 23rd, the Quincy Avery effect that'll be on Hulu, our guy from the QB Takeover and of course, hopefully get to see him out here with the Elite 11. Thanks, man. Story popped up recently in basketball and you've been hearing more and more about this at the college level with everything that's going on is that they need more people to help evaluate rosters and general managers are becoming a normal thing in college basketball.

And joining us now it's Corey Evans. Spent a bunch of years with the OKC Thunder and is now the GM of the Cincinnati Bearcats men's basketball team. So good morning, man, good to see you. Good to see you too, Ryan. I appreciate you guys having me on. So before we get kind of into like the headlining transition part of this whole thing, I know about your background,

but I just want to share it because younger people will ask me like, hey, how do I get in? What do I need to do? And I'll, I'll use like McShay as an example, Bruce Feldman, who worked with us in college football, who understood like the BCS better than everybody else is that it's, it's obviously a crowded field that you're competing with, but if you can find a way to kind of separate yourself or provide value, then it opens up all sorts of doors. And I think you're a perfect example of that, where you just kind of took it

upon yourself early in the basketball world to just try to get noticed and and provide value, then it opens up all sorts of doors. And I think you're a perfect example of that where you just kind of took it upon yourself early in the basketball world to just try to get noticed and provide value for hopefully having the position you have now. So let's go back to that. Yeah, it's been a long, long process for sure. I would say I had some mistakes along the way for sure.

And that's why I tell a lot of young folks getting in the business, when you're young, make some mistakes, learn and grow. That's how you get better and figure out what your niche is. I learned early on that relationships were the most important thing in all of the world. Your line of work, my line of work, anything in general. Starting out to be, to go back about 15 years, I graduated from old dominion.

I was actually roommates with Kent Baysmore on the NBA side. So it's funny how it all works. And I actually developed some inroads with TJ McConnell when he was in high school. And I actually got on staff for a year at Duquesne. And I'm actually from Pittsburgh as well. So it was amazing. You're right out of college. You're 21 years old.

You're back home at Duquesne. I'm 10 minutes away from my parents. I'm coaching TJ McConnell. We're going to do this real fast. We're ready to rock and roll. And a year later, we go 17 and 15 and we get fired. So I found out very, very fast how the business of college athletics and everything in the world works.

And it's all about winning in the bottom line. So I was fired. We were fired on staff there. And I wanted to get back into college basketball and coaching. That was always the pathway for myself that I saw. But I also didn't want to put myself in the spot where a year from then I'd be fired again or go to a place that wasn't conducive

for learning and growing and impacting in the right manner. So on a whim, I picked just love what I was doing. You know, when you have a passion, it doesn't really matter when you're that, that young, you have, you know, you have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something.

You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. You have a passion for something. I just loved figuring out how people worked and developing the right relationships. And it was authentic. And I think after a while, when you're consistent and you work hard and you build that, the

right relationship, you can build a relationship that's going to be a lot more authentic. And I think that's what I love about this business is that it's so much more about the people that are working with you. And I think after a while, when you're consistent and you work hard, and you build that the right rapport with people, it just keeps building and building and building. Trey Lockerbie Okay, I love this because at some point, you have to decide like, I love basketball. And then because I love basketball, it's like, well,

then I know who the good players are, who the bad players are. Which is, you know, one of those things where, like I remember the first time I thought I could do it, I was 14, because I couldn't believe Tate George was a first round draft pick. And I'm like, I can't believe, like, you know, nice run at Yukon, but like, can't believe a team, like, who would do this, would actually think that. And so there's a delusion that you talked to

of being younger. So did you have it? Did you know what it was? Like I almost want you to evaluate yourself as an evaluator when you started off. Because when you're young, you just think you're like, oh, this guy sucks, this guy's awesome, and I'm so smart, and everybody else is an idiot.

And then you go through it enough, and you're like, this is really hard. It's almost that 10,000 hour rule, right? And it's osmosis, it's just being around the game of basketball. The McConnell thing and the Ken Basemore thing helped me immensely, right? You have two guys that are the underdog that have no reason to be in the NBA for 10 years and you're on the ground floor

seeing it every day. So you have that along with the work ethic, along with making mistakes, along with being self-aware enough to say, I better hurry the hell up, man. Like I'm not where I need to be to be where I want to be. So you keep investing every day and around the game and watching and watching and watching. There was a half, I think you can relate naivety to it all. So you'll know what you don't know, but you also are self-aware enough and hardworking enough and humble enough to be open to being,

not being afraid with being the dumbest guy in the room and keep learning and keep giving and keep trying to be around better people that might teach you. Yeah. I remember when I started in Boston and it was like the first time I was getting access to front office people and I go to the Portsmouth Invitational, you know, I think 2003 and I just to the Portsmouth Invitational, you know, in 2003. And I just was so obsessed with this idea that there was a lens that I didn't understand.

Like there was this lens that you would watch the game through that once you learned that trick, that then you would be able to do this or have one of these jobs. And I keep asking everybody. And one thing about like asking people with a very specific career is that some people will try to make it seem harder than it is to kind of become more impressive, right? But the guys that I trusted and the guys that ended up being right, to your point, were like, there's not really any necessarily

like a secret, like you either figure it out or you don't, but really you just have to keep watching. You have to just keep watching over and over again because then when the things that are special, you'll notice it in a way that just feels natural and it just becomes second nature. So your whole osmosis thing, I think is absolutely the point. I mean, there's some people that could just watch a ton of basketball and are never ever going to figure it out, but there isn't, I guess the lesson that I've learned in like 20 plus years of watching is that I don't know that there's some magic trick to this whole thing. So clearly whatever it was, or whatever this thing that we're trying to define, it's difficult to define, whatever that is,

you've been good enough at it to then end up with a thunder. So what was that moment like when you have what's considered one of the best front offices in the business reaching out for your services? Yeah. Going back on that, Sam Pressy always said, I'm going to bat 300 and you might bat 280. So he's going to be wrong a lot too. So you just might as well just stick to what you believe in and what you see. And as long as you've done the work, hey, I'm gonna get some wrong, you're gonna get some wrong. And you can look back at the Oklahoma City Thunder drafting

and it's been amazing, but there's also been some misses there as well. But I think a large portion of that is situational base, right? You have some players that, like a trade man for us from Oklahoma City. He's more than good enough. He's an NBA player,

but the situation might not have been conducive enough for his role and for his abilities. He's definitely a top 300 player in the NBA. It just, with our roster construction, it wasn't meant to be. So learning that and learning how to specify a rule and making sure that they're above a certain threshold elsewhere makes them good enough, I hope. But going back in the Oklahoma City thing, it's funny how it all works.

I worked with a good buddy of mine, Pete Thamel, who was at Yahoo Sports when I was at Rivals. Pete was actually the editor at the Daily Orange at Syracuse when Carmelo went on the run in 01, I think it was. At the time, Troy Weaver was the coach responsible for recruiting him to Syracuse. So Troy and Thamel developed a great rapport for 20 years, and Pete and I got very close. And one thing led to the next, and he connected me with Troy Weaver. And Troy and I developed inroads to a certain extent over a two, three-year timeframe. And that is what kind of led me to Sam Pressey

and Oklahoma City Thunder eventually. I think Sam wanted someone on the ground floor. Sam called me up one day at USA basketball in Colorado Springs and said, "'Cory, would you like to meet? "'Tomorrow you in Colorado Springs,' "'dot, dot, dot, this is Sam.'" I'm like, who the hell is Sam? Like what,

what, what runner is this now? Like what middleman is this? So it was Sam Presti. And we talked for about four or five hours the next day about where things were going. And it was a couple of months after he traded for Shea Gilders. And it was a vision and place he had. He was very resolute with where things were going to go, as far as not a complete tear down, but that we just traded Paul George for four first round draft picks, a guy named Shea Gilders Alexander, who could be really good in the NBA, and that we might have more draft picks on the way.

And we need someone on the ground floor that knows the whole industry, that knows the people in the industry, that knows how the kids think and work. And I got to thinking, hey, is this the right step for me? It was not an immediate yes. When you become comfortable with where you are and you feel like you're among the very best in your industry, it again, Ryan, like looking back on it, what a dumb ass,

right? Like why, why, why wouldn't you done that? Man? It's, it's with, with where things are now, but at the time you're, you're going back and forth of is this right move or not? Yeah. So I think that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's with where things are now. But at the time, you're going back and forth of is this the right move or not?

Now, Sam's probably, I don't know if, I doubt Sam will listen to this, but he'll be like, can you guys talk about Cincinnati and not talk about how we do things? But I do have to ask because I just have so much respect for Sam and what I've loved about the approach of building a roster where guys, when they have the ball in their hands, are okay with it. Making sure that, and you can just see, even the Usman Jang pick, I was like, that kind of makes sense for the way

they see what they want and how they want to build out their roster. But is there anything that you could share with us? Because I do want to pivot to Cincinnati here. Is there anything in all the years of being in the room with a Presti or somebody else where it's like, okay, this way they look at bat or something that was said, you feel like this now will influence the way I think about roster building or just evaluation of players?

I could talk about that for an hour. To be in that room with Sam Pressey and Rob Hennegan, former GM of the Magic and now A.C. Law, the former A&M star, they know where they're going and they know what they want. It's about processing, it's about positional size and versatility, and the most important part is Intel. I didn't understand why we were digging so much as far as the person and the character and who's around the person. That has been transformational for me moving ahead. Oklahoma City is not LA,

it's not Miami, it's not New York. The right person has to be in mind before the right player has to be in mind. How does the person tick? Who's behind them? What's his why? Does he care about winning? What's his why? Does he care about winning? What's his habits? Is it a two parent household or is there an accountability figure behind him that, you know, when shit comes at him, how is

he going to respond? Is it the first time in his life that he's being held accountable? And in the NBA, that's the first time you're going through that. It's gonna be hard to succeed. When you think about your role now in helping build out a college roster, how much of that, I mean, I could sit here and say, how much is this applied? And you're gonna say, Oh, all of it applies and all that stuff. But give me kind of a breakdown of like the questions you asked yourself about making this change of like, what will be the same and what will be different?

You know, Ryan, ultimately I'd like to get back to an MBA from office as a GM. So it was a matter of, is this before all else making this move? Will it educate me? Is it apples to apples or apples to oranges? I don't know that right now. I'm a few weeks in and shit is flying everywhere. But the most important thing was I've always been a person that does not want to be complacent. I want to grow. I want to learn. But most of all, I want to impact people's lives for the better.

And that's the coaches that support staff and the players themselves. And I knew making this jump, the scouting life is not the easiest in the world. It's very lonely at times, rightfully so. You're doing 200 days in the road. To be a part of the fabric of a team directly was the one thing that I was most looking forward to. Cincinnati has all the resources, has all the right people in place. It was a matter of,

can I come in and help these people out, alleviate some of the excess BS that has added up over the past few years on these coaches labs, and help be that switch to propel them from bubble team to national contenders. How will you have to change your evaluation process from can this guy play in the NBA to could this just be a nice piece off the bench for Cincinnati with the portal? NBA to could this just be a nice piece off the bench for Cincinnati with the portal? It's hard. It's, it's, we're turning down players that in Oklahoma city, I was all about, like, let's,

let's get this guy, let's get this guy's a regular draft board to now it's, we need guys are going to win right now. And that was the hardest jump for me from high school to the NBA or college to the NBA was looking five years down the road or six years down the road. When you're in the NBA and you're evaluating a player at 18 years old, you're more so trying to predict where they're going to be from 25 to 28, their core years. In college, you're watching a guy in the portal.

Where is he going to be next year? And how's that jump up immediately? It's all about the immediate returns compared to Oklahoma city, where it's way down the road. So that's been very, very difficult is trying to, and the word you use lens, trying to have that lens evolve a little bit, but like that. So I'm jumping on a car on the Autobahn with my hiring process and trying to change my lens with my vision in place all at the same time. Has not been easy, but the key fundamentals that I want and the staff wants is it kind of goes back

to the thunder process, shooting, Intel, good human being, hardworking nature and processes. In your role in the NBA, I mean, it's very clear that there's a directive with the growth of the GM role in college. It feels like it's fairly understood that you're reporting to West Miller, right? Like you have a head coach who's kind of the face of it, even if it feels like it's the opposite in professional sports. So what is that structure like right now? And it is interesting to think, imagine in 10 years if in college basketball, college football, the GM is actually like the GM

in the way it is in pro sports, but we're certainly not there right now. Yeah, I think we'll eventually get there potentially. Andrew Luck is a totally different, that's way outside, but that's a one and only, that's a unicorn right there. Wes and I had known each other for 15 years probably. So having that relationship That's way outside, but that's a one and only, that's a unicorn right there. Wes and I had known each other for 15 years probably. So having that relationship where we're in a way tied at the hip has definitely been beneficial. There's already been days that we're cussing each other out.

But I don't really see him as my boss in a sense. I see him as we're on the same team together and we have the same buy-in and all we want is to build a winning team here at Cincinnati. And it's year five, the last four years they've been knocking at the door. And my only goal here is to help those guys get to where they want to go, which is the NCAA tournament and beyond. guys get to where they want to go, which is the NCAA tournament and beyond. I guess in a way you could look at it as even if I had in this role, like,

I'm not saying like, Hey, you know, we had the bad year, but like, you can kind of just start all over again, you know, like, Hey, this guy's under contract for three or four years. So how different do you think this is? I've already talked about the evaluation part of it, but how different it is when you're, it just feels like the off season now on the portal's like, just let's see what we can get and we'll see how it goes. Which is very different in a very quick amount of time

from the traditional sense of recruiting and wondering what a player is gonna be like in his junior year. And of course, if he's really special, he's not gonna be there that long anyway. Yeah, right. You and I are probably similar where we grew up with college basketball and we were a fix

on one program in particular, right? And we love the following one prospect along the path. That's gone now. And it's never coming back potentially. Maybe, maybe it's a two year thing with employment, whatever it might be. But the promising side is you saw what happened at Louisville last year. You saw what happened at Kentucky. Missouri went 0-19 in SEC play and they were a top five team in the league last year.

So we've lost a few players and it's also given us leeway to have the vision in place and not be boxed in with who we have in our roster. So we're pretty excited about who we have coming back and it allows us to pinpoint specifically our needs and also have some wiggle room as far as not being boxed in with a player or a prototype or position. I would agree on one of the things that you had said there, not that I'm disagreeing with the other points, but you're right. Like I grew up loving the Big East and loving the story and going like, man, you know, they got this kid and just the excitement of the unknown, which is a huge thing in basketball. But we know that this sport is changing and it's changing really rapidly.

And we just had Bill Assan and I could say, hey, look, there's things I may not like, but if I'm being honest or being fair about it, I have to go, well, this is what players deserve and have deserved for a long time. So with your love of college hoops, is there anything that you think can be recaptured as we navigate the uncertainty of what we've seen over the last few years with the NIL being a free for all with the portal, which again, I don't have any sympathy for the programs on the portal stuff because like if you're losing guys, you're asking for somebody else's guys. So it feels somewhat hypocritical to me, but do you think there's anything from the thing that you love so much about this sport that is even possible to recapture?

I would just say it might be better now where any given year, it's a what if. Every year in the past, it was another down year or we're waiting till we get old. And now it's like, we can turn this around off season. So it makes things much more transient in a sense. And there's more questions at hand, and it's very ambiguous, this whole industry.

But it also allows, I'm sure after last year, Missouri fans, what are they saying? Oh, get rid of Coach Gates and this and that. And now, six, eight months later, they're one of the best teams in America. So as long as the right coaching staff is in place and the right athletic department is there behind those guys with alignment, I think the what if and the hope of being a Florida and Auburn, it's, it's always available. So you're going to have the non-traditional blue bloods have a chance to actually make

a run here. You see BYU now in our league. You see Iowa State now in our league. Auburn, Florida, Alabama. And we're hoping to be one of those schools as well. Do kids know what Cincinnati basketball was at its peak? Does that resonate with them at all? I think that's our job to remind them and give them a hint. You have Kenny Martin, Nick Van Axel, and even the Big O.

The tradition is unbelievable as we know. So it's about rekindling that, but it's also about, we're now in the Big 12. We're in a major basketball league. We're not what it was five, six, seven, eight years ago. So this is the third year of Cincinnati being in the big 12. So it's kind of like, let's create our own tradition, our new tradition. Let's look back at what it was the extra year.

And now let's kind of catapult ourselves further based off what we were and now what we can be. I would suggest then perhaps having a Melvin Levitt night. I'll write that down for future use. Uh, I would just like Melvin to be celebrated at some point in the future. Uh, because those highlight clips were just filthy. I mean, you want to talk about a guy who you were like, I don't care. I'm just going to watch Melvin Levin tonight because it's Cincinnati and they're on. You can throw a little James White in there too.

We have some high flyers for sure. So we can bring back some physicality and blue color with also some finesse and athleticism. Okay. So we had one, I did a little background. It was one Intel question from your former colleagues with the Thunder. And I'm supposed to ask you, have you found a new protein bar that you like with a relocation? Because people were perhaps worried that you weren't going to have the same surplus. Can I get some kickback here off the name, the David protein bar? I mean, that's all I'm saying. So it's, you should look it up.

25% protein, 150 calories. It's top notch, brother. Hey man, I'm really fired up for you. It's a cool story and I know there's bigger things ahead, but this is, I just, when I saw it come through, I was like, I'm just really interested in what this job is like now because it's still sort of new. So wishing you the best of luck in Cincinnati. All right?

I appreciate it, Ryan. Thank you. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know

what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Our email address, lifeadviceRR at gmail.com. So Rudy is not in the building, but a congratulations to he and his lovely wife on kid number two. So that was what was in the mix. So happy for them. And we don't know when he's coming back. He might jump in and then leave again or something. So you take your time, buddy. Yeah, I have a vacation coming up and it's just poor planning. You know, I have a vacation coming up, and it's just poor planning.

I thought it was gonna work out perfectly, but babies come when babies come. So he's scrambling, it's my fault, but what can you do? I did get some new luggage yesterday, and I gotta say, I feel awesome. I was working with some kind of a patch job. I got the Samsonite backpack to go with it. And I gotta say, I can't wait to be strolling through LAX with that thing. I'm excited.

I've been hand-me-down luggage forever. And now it's like a real, got a hard case. It's good stuff. Wow. Yeah, look out. Look out. Are you going overseas? Because you'll probably just get, they'll just wave you right in.

No, I'm just going to do two weeks in the Crown Jewel. And I don't know, it's gonna be, got my buddies opening up like a bar restaurant. I got a wedding and there's like another thing in between. They were like 10 days apart and I'm like, you know what, I'll just take two weeks right at the end of the NBA season. What could go wrong?

Yeah, what could go wrong? So you're out for the beginning of the playoffs while Saruti's also, so you're just gonna be off the show. Saruti's gonna be off the show. Well, I would do live advice because that's normal times. I think BS pods a little more erratic when it comes to, we gotta do stuff right now. East Coast hours be a little tough for me.

So you gotta take vacation sometime, I guess. I don't know, we'll see. Hey, Wargon. Hey, guys. Hey guys. Maybe just you and I fire off a couple episodes. Hey, who says no? Yeah. I'll listen.

I love it. This is not being. I'll tell you who says no. Everyone who listens to this. No, no, no, no. You're wrong. I'll be honest. I'm ready to test drive it.

Who knows what will happen? I'm ready to test drive it. Who knows what'll happen? I'm ready to do it. Okay, actually, Wargon, stay on for this one because you guys are both, wait, are you married or engaged, Wargon? I'm engaged. That's right. July 12th.

Sort. July 12th's the big day? Yeah. Where are you guys doing it? I'm a married act. Do you want, is it? No, I don't care. Westchester, New York?

I just felt, I just felt as a public figure now, maybe. Public figure, yeah. You wouldn't want, you wouldn't want anyone to know. Hey, by the way, the big guy that sent in the thing about like, am I getting played? And he's paying for a bunch of things, four dates and 10 days. And he admitted that she was a bit above the optics of it.

It was like four or six days, by the way. 10 days would have been a nice reprieve. It was like Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday. It was crazy. It was a lot of stuff. There was a Sunday morning pool, he had the Pilates certificate or whatever. He emailed us back, which I appreciate

because he was the one that was like, hey, here's a picture of her, here's a picture of me, and I think both Kyle with this kind of data were like, yeah, she's gonna turn a few heads. And he's a big old offensive lineman with a big gold chain. But he looks like a great hang. And he was like, hey, thanks for reading that. That's exactly what I needed to hear.

I'm just gonna, I met, I met somebody I like. So what am I doing? You know, you get a lot of emails. Yeah, I cut down the frequency too. Let her miss you a little bit, you know? Yeah, save a few bucks too. And what do we think about like the 16th? The 16th would be a great day for me.

Right after the direct deposit hits. I just, you know, man, I think there's just a lot of times where you know, there's a lot of people that are lonely, right and I think you get you go through your own stretch of like whatever it is during the offseason of relationships and You'll You'll get in a situation where you're like, this is kind of everything that I wanted. And then you start, because you're not with people that like, here's, and I'm actually not talking about myself here, but think about, think about the times that you wanted to be in a relationship and that you weren't.

Right. So if that is extended over a longer period of time, and I'm not even saying that's what's happening with the email here, but I think this applies to some other people, that you are on your own, you're not in a relationship with someone else. weren't, right? So if that is extended over a longer period of time, and I'm not even saying that's what's happening with the emailer here, but I think this applies to some other people, that you are on your own for almost too long of a stretch becomes real comfortable.

And then once you're back into it and you're in a relationship, you're noticing all these things that are different. It's like, yeah, because you're actually interacting with somebody. Like there's going, there's no perfect score for anyone out there. I don't believe.

And now that you're in something that you said that you wanted, you're coming up with reasons to be like, ah, this is a bit disruptive though. You're like, well, no shit, because now you actually have to start thinking about somebody else when you're doing your schedule. There are going to be times you're making sacrifices that you were not making before when you were by yourself all the time. So I just think it's a decent reminder to go, yeah, like some stuff's going to be a little bit different,

not to say that you're supposed to put up with everything just to be able to have some significant other. So Morgan, anyway. What's your best cheap date? I'm not talking like Dave Chappelle in Half Baked where he's trying to stretch like $18 over two hours. But like for me, like an experience, but that's like, it's not gonna be a $300 dinner.

Like I'll take my wife to the LA Zoo every once in a while. And that's like, you know, that's like four hours we'll have a bad sandwich in the cafe or whatever, but you know, you really get your bang for your buck. You have like one of those go-tos when you're like, yeah, she's gonna love this, but you know, I'm not gonna hate it either. It's like sandwich and a bottle of wine in Central Park.

Wow. Nice day. You are that type of guy. That's great. It's a good time bottle of wine in Central Park. Wow. Nice day. You are that type of guy. That's great. It's a good time. Just laying in Central Park. With your gear over there. Yeah. That's great. Well, there's some ideas for you, man.

I finally found the email. Do you really need to go all out for a proposal? Hey guys, 58188, PlayerCom, John Lucas the Third. Mainly because of my height, and LeBron would absolutely dunk over me even at this ripe age of 40. One of my favorite memes, and I don't know that I have an all-time memes ranking, but when a bunch of the guys in the Bulls were her and there was just a picture of John Lucas the third and I think the graphic said, I fucking got this and it was like him with

a super intense face. I love that one. Anyway, so as the title alludes to, I'm ready to take the next step in my relationship. My girlfriend and I are currently living together in a large Midwest city. As you can imagine, any place or restaurant in the city I live in wants to charge an arm and a leg for me just to pop the question to my girlfriend. I didn't know that.

Did you guys know that? No. Kinda, yeah. Well imagine, I mean, if you're asking for stuff, but I don't think you just put the word wedding or like proposed in front of anything. Oh, it's like the catering costs way more for some reason. I don't know. Fair. I'm not in the mindset that I need to propose as cheaply as possible. But you know, market hasn't been great lately. Thanks, Tara. Yeah, but to Ryan sign potential sidebar.

You gonna do it? Um, yeah, but Q Ryan sign potential sidebar, uh, you gonna do it? No, I, here's what I know is that I don't, I've read a bunch of stuff. I'm not really sure. And I'm certainly not comfortable sharing my thoughts on terrorists. I would say most people on social media do not apply those rules themselves. And so there you go. Like whoever is in, if the other party's in office, then you'll get mad at the

stock market and if your party's in office, you're just going to say, don't worry about it, we need this. And then when we have the bounce back yesterday, it's like, see, everything worked and then if you don't like who's in office, you're going to go, yeah, but the bounce back had to happen because he's a more, so I just, I'm not, uh, there you go. There's, there's a sidebar. I just, I cannot fathom having my content game be like, well, never surrender on anything politically, no matter what happens.

All right. I'm sparing no expense on the ring itself, but my larger question remains. Do I need to go all out? My first thoughts are beach vacation in Puerto Rico or Costa Rica, perhaps somewhere on the East Coast like Newport or a beach town in Maine. We have a European vacation plan for the fall, but to be honest with you, I love this girl. I don't know if I want to wait that long. Wow.

Doesn't he care? Yeah. Yeah, it's April. This guy wants to start looking at furnishing catalogs soon. I kind of want to just try and find someone in our city to pop the question and do a nice dinner after. For the married guys, am I overthinking the need to go all out for the proposal? Do I need to make this thing as special as possible for a big moment like this?

All right, why don't you guys take the lead? She's going to tell the story, right? That's kind of part of it. I wonder if you could find out if she's one of those people who would like her friends and family to be around and like a video of it. Or is it like, can you just do it at a really nice dinner or, you know, over a sandwich in Central Park? Is that what Wargon did? I don't know.

But I think like, do you want, do you know if she, like, some people talk about this before it's, it's not necessarily like the how it works, but you know, about maybe the timing of it, like, are we going to do it soon? Like sometimes like the magic is gone and they know it's coming, but they don't know when. Sometimes, you know, you're just going to completely throw them off. So I think if you could find out if she's like, I'm sure there's the pie chart of women who, you know, want it at a bulls game.

It's very small and I think more get it than want it. But it doesn't sound like that's in your view. So, you know, if she's fine just being on a beach somewhere and, you know, it's just you two and, you know, a bunch of strangers are clapping when you do it, then fine. But, you know, if it's important to her that her sister and her best friends and they're like, oh my God,

and then you guys go have dinner or whatever, I don't know, I think you maybe find, see if you can find out what kind of things she would prefer. Maybe even ask her sister if you can trust her not to spill the beans, like, or whoever is in her life. Be like, does this sound right? I don't know.

But yeah, I don't think it has to be the greatest thing anyone's ever heard of. But as long as it's a nice story that she's gonna tell over and over again and feels good about telling, yeah, I guess that wasn't really an answer, but. I did talk to Melissa before I proposed and she was like, I don't really care.

If you do it at like a sporting event, I will break up with you. So good to know, don't do that. I did go all out on mine. were in Stockholm I made a fake Spotify magazine with like a crossword puzzle in the back and then we went to niece afterwards we were on the balcony and she did the puzzle if you read like the circle letters backwards it's build will you marry me give that a give that a second to sink in I see that I see the wheels turning no I'm just imagining like the backwards, like, was that, is it too clever?

And you have to be like, no, I think it says, uh... It was too clever. She like started laughing and I thought that she did it, so I proposed. And then afterwards she was like, I don't get it. Oh, man. Yeah. She liked it after that. I explained it. It reminds me of that, like, I saw it on Instagram Instagram where this guy was like driving past a bunch of billboards And it was like will you go to prom with me and the girls like what kind of idiot would do that?

That's actually those are my billboards Or can you just say that again? Yeah, I got it on the wall you want me to Visual aid what are we thinking? Yeah I'll plug it in over here an absolute romantic we got the we got the wine in Central Park we made a magazine off the wall give me a sec he turned the work you know this he turned the Spotify Sweden work trip into a proposal way to parlay that I mean unreal yeah that's You know, there's brie in those sandwiches. It's framed now. Yeah. So the proposal. All right, we got like the here we go. So it's like

the cover here. Here's the crossword. Dude. Melissa is like standing down the end of the hall just like watching this happen. You guys are gonna be fine for those two weeks. I can already tell. Yeah, guys are gonna be fine for those two weeks. I can already tell. Yeah. You guys are gonna be great. Yeah, I'm not worried about it. Yeah, that's awesome.

I'm not worried about it at all. All right, so yeah, that's really sweet, man. That's very sweet. Look, I think a lot of this is basically budget, where are you at in your relationship? These older couples that have done well or there's enough in the retirement account that they're not freaking out about it, they're probably going to tell you some origin story when they didn't have any money and it was really

simple and it was sweet and I think that's the most important thing. I mean, the problem is if you're with somebody who's like, it needs to be this, this, and this, and this, you already kind of know what you're signing up for. So you should know, everyone listening to this kind of knows. And I imagine the emailer, like, you kind of know this already. The fact that you were like, do I have to go all out? And then you're throwing Costa Rica and Puerto Rico in there.

It sounds like you guys have a standard. Yeah, well said, Kai. So could you wait until Europe this fall? The months fly by my, my man. Um, I don't know why I said it that way, but I, I mean, it's going to be fall before you think, but I, I don't know if there's any urgency where if it goes another six months, that she's going to start wondering. Um, usually if you go to Europe and you're in this phase of the relationship, she's expecting that

you're proposing there anyway. Um, because there have been some, some trips that I've heard from, um, from friends where it's like they went to Europe and no question was asked. And then the trip was a complete disaster because the other person was expecting to be proposed to at some point. Uh, it sounds like you don't have to worry about any of that stuff. And then the trip was a complete disaster because the other

person was expecting to be proposed to at some point. Uh, it sounds like you don't have to worry about any of that stuff, but look, there was a guy, I think also age has a lot to do with this. When the guys in my group were starting to propose, which was pretty late for, I guess, basic standards, but there was a few early guys, right? There was a few guys in their mid-20s that did it up and one guy didn't have any money and he made it kind of like a family thing

and it was great and they talk about it still that it was awesome. There was another dude who apparently like went to Paris, had the carriage with the horses and the whole thing. Dudes are like, you hear what Boggess did? And we were like, what? Guys were horrified. Then guys took that as the standard.

And they were thinking, oh my God, what am I gonna do? And it's like, you're gonna do whatever it is that you're capable of doing at that point. An engagement ring is already an absurd investment, especially the expectations of what that's supposed to be based on what you're making at that time. Here's what I can tell you to do, or what I should tell you to not do. Don't show up to a work, propose in the parking lot,

when you're actually broken up. That doesn't work that well. All right. Okay. Yeah. Let's see. Master Stolen Valor. All right. 29 years old, six foot, two 25, bench two 25 for the first time a few years ago and now trying to get back to the thousand pound club. Look out, pick up comp, Grayson Allen, unexpected athleticism can light it up from deep but lateral quickness defensively is an issue. My question, is wearing master's apparel

when you have not attended the tournament Stolen Valor? As most sports loving males, men do, I love the masters. Unfortunately, I have not been lucky enough to plant my feet in the Bermuda grass. I have several clothing items to celebrate my love for the event, but I've noticed a strange reaction to my wearing the gear recently.

I've been asked, whoa, you've been to the masters? To which I've replied, no, sadly. This has been meant by an unimpressed oh, more than once. Typically, the conversation shifts topics after this exchange. This all culminated with a tweet post from a popular Golf X account asking the same question, is wearing Masters gear when you've not gone to the event yourself the sports equivalent of stolen valor? The original post has affected my

thoughts on wearing the clothing enough that I felt the need to get your opinions on the matter. Also it is the it is unknown whether Wargon has graced the Masters with his presence as he was wearing apparel on the Tuesday pod, curious for his thoughts as a potential fellow Augusta imposter. Thanks, side note, I have a first responder job, met with some tough days in the office, nothing improves them more when there's a new pod

sitting in the queue, thanks. All right, yeah, cool. All right, yeah, well, Kyle, we already knew that you were gonna say say like, absolutely not. So let's just start with Wargon here because I think, have you been? No, I haven't been. I've worked in studio a couple times.

The guys always bring back apparel when we do that. But like, it's a sporting event, wear whatever you want. You know, it's not like you're pretending to be a police officer or something. Yeah, as a guy who went in 2018 and probably the best day of my life so far. Really, really awesome. I check your wife now that every year I'm just going to power through this.

I check every year to see if I can get in. I'm in the real lottery. I look on the secondary markets and it's like, I'd really like to bring my dad because that's what Bill did when I went and I was like, wow, what a great moment. Uh, and then I went and dropped them off somewhere that I couldn't go. But I like, I would really, I always check every year to come back and I, and I'm just here to tell you it's hard.

And then you get the tickets and you're like, boy, I hope we have some place to stay and that's maybe even harder, I think. So, um, no, it's not bad at all. I mean, I, uh, Per Siruti's Abercrombie comeback I checked. And it turns out I actually like Abercrombie now. Uh, when I was in middle school, early high school, definitely different vibes. The story even smells different, but, um, they sell a bunch of cool throwback stuff. And yeah, I was not at the Athens Olympics and I don't really care if you feel one way or another when I wear that throwback shirt.

So I look at it the same way. Uh, it's, it's really hard to get there. And if you're, you know, like me and the same way. It's really hard to get there. And if you're like me and every year it just doesn't seem to work out. I think you wear that shirt and feel good about it. It's a sick logo. And yeah.

We went over this with the fire department shirts from your cool uncle or whatever. It's totally fine. I think the master's thing, maybe it's the disappointment from the other party by going, oh, have you been? And then you're like, no. And then they were disappointed. They didn't get to ask. They want to talk to you about hole 13 or something. They're like, oh, this guy hasn't even been. It's so hard to get into that I really don't think there's any kind of issue here whatsoever.

I mean, there was a guy that was on a painting crew that used to go all the time and then he, he would just ask like everybody, like, does anybody want anything? And then I had, I had a hat for a little while that I wrote. I didn't even think anything of it. I mean, I get shit for the LSU thing and I totally understand it. Like make fun of me. I'm from the Northeast. I didn't go there.

I went to another school. I always joked that Vermont didn't have a football team. So then I should, but like, why am I going to give a shit what a stranger thinks about something that I enjoy? I mean, you really could flip it the other way around and be like, why would you care that I enjoy something? Yeah. You're the loser actually. Ultimately. Yeah. Ultimately you just want to find another reason to have an issue with me. And that's totally fine. He's like, all right, yeah, cool. Everything you're saying is fine. I'm going to go to Baton Rouge this Saturday and have a great time watching LSU football.

And that's, I would say in the scale of the things, that would be considered way worse, which is fine. Again, I accept it. Cool. Learn how to deal with that. A master's hat. Learn how to deal with the question, because it will be asked,

especially if a lot of dudes have been to the masters and they love talking about it. I love talking about it. So, just be prepared for that question and the, you know, whatever. I'm not sure I understand the Olympics thing though, Kyle. What do you mean? Like what kind of shirt are we talking about?

Like Abercrombie, they have, they just have like a bunch of, they have like a throwback edition where they're- It's like that retro logo line. Yeah, it's a retro logo. They look a little faded, you know? So like, you know, maybe to the untrained eye, you could fool someone into thinking that this was my dad's Atlanta Olympics shirt or something, you know, from from the 90s or, you know, the grease one is the one I ended up buying. So, I don't know, I just don't I don't think I

should have to explain that either. Or if I do explain it, I don't think you should be able to be like, wow, dude, you didn't even go. It's not sports stolen valor. It's just an event that's cool and the shirt's cool too. I think it's an entirely different class of like wearing the Boston Marathon zip up, that windbreaker that's probably really nice to run in, probably nice on a rainy day. Like, ooh, you know, it's not too cold out, but it's a little rainy and I don't know,

I had a few beers in me and I bought this on Boylston and I always wanted it. Be like, did you run? No. Yeah. Right? I mean and I always wanted it. Be like, did you run? No. Yeah. Right. I mean, that'd be the equivalent of like, did you play? Like, no, it's something just my uncle went, he bought me an app.

Like I'm out. He won the lottery. I'm not one of his favorite nephews. Don't know what to tell you. Uh, yeah, that is not stolen. I don't, and I think we should just kind of lower the stolen valor standards. Uh, maybe we'd all be a little bit better off. All right. Last one, 21 years old, five, 10, 160 pounds, squat, 280, bench, I think we should just kind of lower the stolen valor standards. Uh, maybe we'd all be a little bit better off. All right.

Last one, 21 years old, five, 10, 160 pounds squat, two 80 bench, one 85, trying to go to the gym more this quarter. Real technical guy here. JV Russell Westbrook comp usage rate over 50% while missing for missing three, uh, missing the three, four out of five times when I do end up playing, emailing because I need relationship advice as I go into my post-college life. I've been dating my current girlfriend for over three years now. All right, so that means sophomore, junior, senior year, guys.

So that's serious. We started hanging out almost right after the start of my freshman year. Thank you for the clarification. Things have been mostly great with a few major arguments but nothing we haven't worked through together. I'm worried mainly because when I first met her mom I ended up with a severe headache and wanted nothing to do with her again. She's a very slow talker and the way she finished her sentences made me want to rip the car into the guardrail just to have something new happen. That's aggressive. Ever since meeting her I've tried to the detriment of my relationship to quietly cancel

on dinners and family things I'm invited to. When I mentioned it to my dad, he told me about how much my mom is like my grandmother and how much he has grown to just accept it even though he still struggles with her mom to this day. He continued by saying that his relationship with my grandmother has proved to be a constant rift between my mom and him and has led to some of their biggest fights over the last 25 years. I understand that I wouldn't have my girlfriend's mom

in my day-to-day life, but sure seems like something I should either work through or break it off because of. I graduate college in eight weeks and it feels like it's coming to a point where I need to push my chips in to the middle or fold and let it go. My girlfriend also wants to move to New York City

and while I thought I might follow her, I'm beginning to feel like I should stay closer home on the West Coast. Maybe my thoughts about her mom are just a way for me to feel better about my relationship ending potentially because of distance, but I don't have a desire to end up feeling the way my dad feels today. Wondering your guys' thoughts on this. Do either of your potential mother-in-laws suck? No, I don't have one actually. Oh, I'm sorry. Can you do? It sounds like your dad has given you some great advice

and I'm a big proponent of breaking up when you leave that point of higher education or even high school. I'm a proponent of that anyway. And I know there's exceptions, but I think that's a great natural breaking point to go see what kind of dude or chick, is that the equivalent of dude you are at the next stage

in your next city at your next job, whatever that is. So I'd lean towards, you know, this is a natural breakup point, but I don't think it's because of the mother law and I think your dad gave you some good advice, basically be like, don't be like me, man. We had some big, big problems and a lot of it was from this. I don't think it was don't be like me, man. We had some big, big problems, and a lot of it was from this.

I don't think it was don't be like me. I think it was more of you'll find a way. You'll find a way to win. Well, he said he had some major problems, and she was at the center of it. And he had, you know, I think he said he's learned to accept it, but it sounded like it took a while, and maybe it was a little rocky in the beginning,

and he was like, man, I wish I could have that one back if I just didn't fight that battle. But yeah, you being cold and like that, you're not the only one who knows, like even if you think you're being sneaky about it, like the third time you cancel on something, even if you have good reasons, they're going to be like, does something with Todd? Is everything fine? Uh, but I'm, I'm certainly a proponent of, you know, the natural dispersal point when you end a four year thing like college or high school,

and just see what else is out there. Todd wants another destination Christmas. We never see the kids. The headline of this is, will my girlfriend truly become her mom? Like I think that adds another layer to all this stuff. Before we go into that though, I don't want to cut Oregon off here. Did you have more on that on the dynamic? I just feel like you're having these thoughts. It's not just because of the mom

thing. Like what do you see her once every two months, once every three months? Like it's just not the issue that you're making it out to be. And there's got to be some underlying things here. You can't lay some up for dinner every once in a while? Yeah. Right. This just reminded me of one of our friends was seeing somebody and it was really early. We were very young and he was really excited to get along with her great. And then he was like, do you guys think the girl's name is gonna end up looking like our mom?

I was like, maybe at 50, dude. Maybe I do actually. Yeah. Like is that what you're already chart out the next 30? It's like, what, what are you worried about? He's like, I don't know. He's like, his mom, her mom's not very happy. Like, yeah, a lot of moms aren't very hot, right?

They were like a whole different style of jeans, man. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. So I don't know if his concern is that his, his girlfriend is going to have the demeanor of the mom. Um, this slow talking things really driving our dude crazy here right now. To me, there's a less specific way of looking at this, like you're graduating

college, I don't know what you've you've fought all through the years of not like in arguments, but you've you've made it through with a very adult relationship in college and that is a very hard thing to do. But now there's all sorts of new tests. And that is one's goals in life, the geography of the situation. I'm not going to sit here and read an email like this in a few sentences and be like, yes, you should break up. I don't know that. I'm not going to tell you that you should or you shouldn't. But if that's the only issue, it's probably a bad issue to break up. If this is one of many issues, then you're probably already answering your own question because it sounds like you're coming to the realization of

like, and by the way, why do you have to already make a decision that she's going to be your wife this soon? Like get through these next couple years. See if you end up in the same city. See how it goes there. See if you're a New York City guy. If you're not a New York City guy and you have to be a New York City guy. Wolf. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly, I would, I think that might be the answer. Worry about the non mother-in-law stuff, potential mother-in-law stuff here and see how that goes. All right.

And if that's, I just, I still think kind of bringing us full circle at the very beginning of this, like when people are pursuing relationships in relationships and all this stuff, like All right? And that's, I still think kind of bringing us full circle at the very beginning of this. Like when people are pursuing relationships in relationships and all this stuff, like some of the standards, it's like, do you expect everything to be compatible? Do you expect, like it'd be great

if that was the way this stuff works. It's not the way that it works. All right. She snores, I don't know if we're cut out for the long haul. Yeah. OK. There's going to be something that you do that she's talking about with her friends. She's like, I love him.

I think he might be the guy, but I wish this, this, and this was better. So I don't think on its own it's a great reason to break this up, but you're going to have a whole new set of circumstances. The environment is going to be so different post-college. you're going to have a whole new set of certain, the environment is going to be so different post college, you're going to challenge a relationship anyway. I think you're going to get the answers about who this person is or isn't going to be in your life that probably has nothing to do with the mother.

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