The Ryen Russillo Podcast - NBA Player Vibe Checks: Who'd You Rather Have for Five Years? Plus Actor Emile Hirsch.

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

Russillo and Ceruti begin by pitting younger NBA players against each other and debating which player they would rather have on their team for the next five years (7:00). Then, Ryen talks with actor Emile Hirsch about his new movie, ‘Pursuit,’ and what it was like to work with Quentin Tarantino on ‘Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood’ (32:00). Finally, Ryen answers some listener-submitted Life Advice questions (59:00). Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Emile Hirsch Producers: Steve Ceruti and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Before I intro today's podcast, I want to let you know this is going to be all-time greeny teas on this one. We're doing a big quarterback podcast on Friday. It's actually going to issue Thursday night into Friday morning. So make sure you subscribe to the Ryan Russo podcast, Spotify, Ringer, so you get it. We're going to talk with Mike Sando on all the kind of off-season news and notes on what the moving parts could be. We're going to have Danny Kelly, who did the Ringer draft guide on.

And I'm going to talk to Jordan Palmer and Quincy Avery, who are two of the top quarterback coaches in the country, both working with first-round picks and other guys as well. So it's going to be four guests. It's going to be a big old quarterback podcast, edition of the Ryan Russillo podcast. And that's what we're doing. It's coming out Thursday night, Friday morning-ish.

So again, subscribe. Today, we're doing NBA five-year vibe check. Cerruti's idea on pairing up top young NBA stars and who you'd rather have. We got Emile Hirsch, who has a new movie coming out. I'm going to talk with him about a bunch of different stories, including casting for Once Upon a Time and think he was getting catfished by Tarantino and life advice.

I want to start with giving myself. I don't know. Maybe I should be down on myself. I don't know if it's a spirit award or what, but this isn't even part of the read. I've been on that athletic greens kick because i started doing reads and it showed up at the house and i forgot that i had agreed to it just full disclosure so i was like oh did i order this like what is going on i was like oh yeah i've seen the ads

for this i was like all right let's give it a shout and i love it because if there's one thing that i've tried to figure out some cost effectiveness on it's the juice inventory at the place because i don't you know i get up really early to prepare for this and write out stuff and kind of go over notes and i like to just have a juice i don't like to eat a full meal usually because i don't like to eat before i work out but i'm not working out right now because i'm trying to give my body a one week break which is long long overdue and you, I've tried a couple different things. And they're like, well, try collagen.

And you're like, okay, but who does collagen work for? Does it work for guys pushing weight and stacking paper? You know, like my afternoon is not shopping for yoga pants. All right. So I don't know if the collagen thing is working out for me the same way. So I'm big on the Athletic Greens thing is my point. And the fact that it's cost effective, it's, you know, i think it averages out to like three dollars a day for the juice as opposed to these fancy juices and let's not kid ourselves some of us like the fancy juices and if you look

at it that way we're like i don't need a full breakfast i don't eat until later i make up the calories later on did anyone ask about any of this all right so as i as i continue through there's this one juice smoothie that's kind of a juice that's been in the fridge for a little long, but it cost me like 12 bucks. I'm like, I got to drink this thing. You have to drink it. You should have drank it two days ago. It might be outside that window. I'll admit, I opened it up and it felt a little, I think the best way to describe it would be stingy,

a little stingy. And I took a sip and I go, I don't know, that could just be the superfoods in there. There might not be anything wrong with it. It could just be the superfoods. And I'll admit, researching the superfoods a bit, which I don't know anything about, I think some of you have made up these superfoods. I don't think some of these things even exist. These are words I've never heard before, ever. And that's kind of back to the collagen point.

I think there's some things like, oh, this is like a natural nut from the root of an Amazon tree that's a lot the same benefits as collagen. I'm like, I don't know. My knees still hurt. And this collagen thing isn't really working out. So anyway, I drank the entire thing and it's disgusting. The thing that I bought that was sitting in the fridge for too long, but it was 12 bucks. So I just felt like I had to do it.

And I wish instead I just had eaten the 12 bucks. So that's, that's what we're doing. Not playing hurt. I'll get through this. I'll be, I'll be feeling fine, but I want to bring Saruti in now.

I just want to make a statement on that because I felt like I needed to share it. I just didn't want to waste the 12 bucks. So you're not like an acai guy. You're not doing, I'll do those. Maddiedie does my wife does college and she puts it in her coffee i don't i don't believe it i don't know not i'm sure if it works for you i'm happy for you i don't know i'm not trying to put stuff i just wanted to i want to ask anybody i guess i don't really want to ask anybody but it's just an outside you know an out loud hypothetical where have you done the collagen smoothies collagen whatever i understand

for like faces and you know injections and that kind of stuff that's we're not at that level um we're not running a salon over here but i i was like i know i gotta i gotta drink this by the way don't those juices was it like a fresh press cold juice situation because don't those only last for like a couple days i think that's probably your issue i don't think they have a long shelf life no they don't they don't the green ones go fast so you're going to be on the green ones early yeah and then anything that has coconut in it will turn pretty quickly i've learned all these things the hard way like i opened up a strawberry one that had a little coconut in it four days after i bought it and the thing was just rocket fuel right as soon as i got the

cap off just ejection so um this one though turmeric in you got to mix some turmeric in that's usually some somewhat good for you i've tried the tumor deal it's like oh it's so great for your inflammation like what if you squat six plus plates for reps like is that then the girl behind the counter is like i don't i don't know if turmeric does that i don't know if tumor you know and that's the point is that's that's sort of the point with a lot of these things you go yeah no this is terrific this will help you and be like yeah but what if what if we're what if you're 46 trying to dunk we're like yeah it's not gonna turn you into like prime rassilo yeah like i don't think i don't think turmeric's maybe gonna solve all of your problems like okay like all right fine all i don't think turmeric's maybe going to solve all of your problems

like okay like all right fine all right so here's here's what we have we have an old school radio segment so rudy's idea this is what i loved about working with saruti is he could have nine ideas i said no to and he'd come back even stronger with his tent and it's just's just a pretty much, it's a pretty, this is what I like about this. He's going to propose two players, NBA, younger guys, who would you rather have next five years? And we've done versions

of this kind of stuff before, but I love the list that you have because there's so many times, like when we started doing how many rings, we did over under rings for NBA players the rest of their career. And you kind of just throw in a half ring on like, hey, do you think this guy's ever going to win a ring? And in the moment

you can feel like you're so right about it with such conviction. And then a year later you're like, I can't believe I said that. So there's definitely a chance for I can't believe I said that answers these. So we'll check back in on them for a while. But you have the list. I've done, I didn't want to do any research. I just wanted to go all

gut feel, but I couldn't help myself. So I have a few numbers here or there on some of these, but I want to go quickly with feel but i couldn't help myself so i have a few numbers here or there on some of these but i want to go quickly with them so what do we have yeah no this is uh some of them i have like some stats too but it's mostly just kind of like a vibe check like who do i feel like i'd want you know and that's fine i think that's fine sometimes like this is straight is that it is it nba five year projection vibe check vibe check yeah okay i like it. You're going to give me your answer too, right?

You're going to give me yours? Yeah, I'll give you quickly mine after you do. But mostly I'm just throwing this at you because I just kind of find them interesting. Like I don't even, some of them aren't like obvious. Actually, most of them are really hard. I'm going to start with one that I think is really, really hard. Might be the toughest one. Maybe it's easy.

Some of you guys at home are going to be like, this is stupid. But I love this one. Jason Tatum, Devin Booker, next five years. Okay. I'm going to say this once. The only thing I don't like about this exercise is that it forces me to be a little negative about players that I like. That's always the problem whenever we're doing these things. So whoever I don't pick, I have to point out reasons why I'm not picking that person. I went into this thinking I was going to take Booker, but I don't think I am. I went into this thinking I was going to take Booker, but I don't think I am. I'm going to take Tatum.

I mean, Tatum is still only 19 years old, which is a joke. He's 23. Booker's 25. Who do you think has a higher shooting percentage for his career from three? I bet you 900 out of 1,000 people. Whatever. I'm just joking. There's no way people are going to get this one right.

Tatum's 38% for three from his career. Booker's at 35. I guarantee you 90% of people would get that wrong if you ask NBA fans who has a better career shooting percentage from three. I agree. Booker's down this year pretty bad too. I mean, but Booker, I guess, is more of a mid-range dude. Not that Tatum can't do that, but I think you're right. Most people would be surprised by that because they think Booker's like the pure shooter scorer. Yeah. Booker, I think it's tailed off a bit because he was actually tearing it up the beginning of the year. The thing that I was thinking about with Booker, though,

as we're going to see again here with Chris Paul out, is that Booker can initiate the offense. Not that those teams are winning a ton. The rebounding numbers are dramatically in Tatum's favor. Free throw attempts the last couple of years are about the same, five or six, which is a big part of their scoring. Booker's mid-range, though, is special,

so you can't just focus on that part of it. And I would say, you know, look, is Tatum, when the Celtics aren't good, then it turns into, is Tatum really that guy? And I think the same stuff was happening for Booker when Phoenix wasn't good, which is all before Chris Paul got there. I think the same stuff was happening for Booker when Phoenix wasn't good, which is all before Chris Paul got there. I think the tiebreaker for this one is that Booker by himself, like the first time he ever made the playoffs was last year.

That was in his sixth season. Tatum has 50 career playoff games. You could say East versus West. Okay, that's fine. I do think it's close, but I still think there is this hope, this potential ceiling for Tatum that puts him a little higher. And that's why I think he's the choice. I same exact logic as you. I went in going, I think I like watching Booker more than I like watching Tatum, but the more I'm like, all right, Tatum's better defensively. I think

they're similar playmakers. Booker might be a little bit better. Um, Booker's a little better. Yeah. But I get six, eight Tatum. He's younger. And then I thought about it. I'm like, Oh, I think Booker's a great shooter and can be a really good defender as well i kind of lean it's close but i lean tatum too and i'm pretty surprised by that i do think it's close but i i really as i talk myself through it and listen to you i still think it's the right answer all right next one anthony davis versus carl anthony towns i hate this one because prior to this year i would have i would have just said don't why are you going to do that? Do you have any other dumb ones that don't need any discussion whatsoever?

Anthony Davis is 29 in March. Kat's still only 26. The other stupid thing about this exercise and going through and double-checking everyone's ages, and it's kind of the Dwight Howard simps out there who are just like, what are you guys up to? Like, oh, if you don't think he's top 75, you don't think he's a Hall of Famer or whatever.

Again, Dwight entered his 18th. There's so many guys from this generation that are going to have these absurd longevity numbers, not only because they're going to play longer, but because they came in so much younger than some of these other dudes in the past. So that's part of it. And look, Dwight was a really formidable guy

for, I would say, the first half of his career. It's just hard for me to kind of look at Dwight the same way that others do. And I'm like, the second half of his career is a guy that nobody wanted on their team, um, on multiple teams. So, all right,

enough Dwight bashing. All right. 80 last played in 70 games in 17, 18, the last two seasons, Anthony Davis has played in 73 games total. Um, the shooting numbers for three are not close. Carl Anthony Towns, as we saw, not just

the three-point contest, but the guy can light it up from three. But I think prior to this year, with Minnesota's turnaround, this is the best possible chance Towns has as being the option here because of his turnaround and Davis being hurt again. But you'd have to be writing off

ever seeing a prime Davis again and maybe this is it maybe this is where we look at his stat line Saruti and you go hey we should have seen it coming less games less games less games isn't moving as well the worst efficiency we've ever seen of his career he's settling more which is a terrible sign for players to get and he's's not even that old, but when you start to settle, it means you just don't have the same twitch to try to get in there. Defensively, this would have never been a conversation. I think there's a lot of times, too, where people look

to Towns and are like, what's this guy's personality? Is this guy kind of... I know he can shoot, but is he kind of like... Does he have a losing approach to basketball? But Minnesota's pretty good this year. They are. I'm still, despite all that, going to stick to my 80 guns.

Yeah. And this is the closest it's ever. Some people would say I'm nuts for even suggesting that. That's fine. But this is in the moment, which I always say we're really bad in the moment. In the moment, this is the best chance

Towns has ever had of being the right answer here, and I'm not going to fall for it. So that's my stubbornness. I'm not surprised by that because that's your guy. But I think I don't think it's ridiculous to say that we've seen the best of Anthony Davis. I don't. He doesn't look right. His body looks bulky and weird. Bill's been on this for a while.

Like, it just doesn't look good anymore. And I kind of think he it's almost like he wants to be cat like his game. Like, he's perimeter oriented now. Like he doesn't do all the things that we loved about him originally when he was in New Orleans and then early on and with the Lakers. And I think the thing that just tips it to cat for me is the age thing. Like he's 29. So I get him when he's basically when he's 34, what's AD going to look like when he's

34, if he's getting hurt every year now. So, and I get cat, I'm worried about the defensive stuff but he's shooting 40 from three i'm gonna go with cat i gotta disagree with you all right when you say i'm getting anthony davis at 34 i lose the argument okay so so you're saying i'll take the next couple years and i'll eat the last two or so okay right or i'll just take the l on that one because it's like you signed a 13-year contract like yeah we're probably eat the last six of those but the first seven are gonna be great ad at 34 i just lost so rudy so rudy just bashed my head in against a dumpster in the alley all right um next one by the way the shooting numbers for ad

and they're bad from three but the reason we loved him is that he could spot it up, and that long two for him actually used to be a massive weapon. It used to be, but he's like the worst in the league at it now. So he's just not the same. I just don't believe that he will now. By the way, did you see the numbers when he came back and did play? What? No. When he was back with LA before he turned his ankle again.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he was getting there. He was getting there, yeah. Getting there? He was lighting it up. Now, to be fair to the box score guy, there were moments where it still didn't necessarily look right, and they weren't exactly lighting everyone up all of a sudden,

but he himself looked like he was ready to go, and I thought we were going to have a nice stretch from him. Well, if Ron wants to trade him this summer, we'll know everything we need to know. You're big on that. You're big on that Stephen A went on first take and said that they should look into trading him, which I think you are suggesting that team LeBron would move him in a second if they thought it improved the Lakers' chances next year. Because I think you feel like that's a little bit more real than just a TV segment. Am I reading you right? If you called Minnesota and the Lakers said,

hey, we'll do AD for cash straight up, if I'm the Lakers, I'd say yes. It depends who you get. I'm not saying I would not trade Anthony Davis. It depends who you get back, but I don't think that's a ridiculous thing for Team LeBron to be like, I don't know, man, this guy. Again, maybe they're more worried like I am about just kind of him long

term and never being the guy that he was again. I hope it doesn't happen. I really do because he's one of the probably five my five favorite players I've watched over the last decade or so when he's right, but I don't know, man. His body just doesn't look great. Can you imagine Clutch telling AD, like, hey, here's the deal. You're going to go to the Timberwolves

and we're going to get Towns. You're going to be the one now, so that's cool for you. Yeah, all the stuff that you learnedberwolves and we're going to get towns. You're going to, you're going to be the one now. So that's cool. Yeah. All the stuff that you learned from LeBron, you can take to this franchise. Yeah. Thank you.

Like, this is more about you. It's not helping LeBron. It's going to be great. The mall is sick. The twins do more with less, you know, the central AL central,

you know, you can play with him. It's not crazy competitive in the AL central. You never know. So you'll have a baseball team that you can root for. All right, next one. I got to go quicker. Yeah, all right.

Here we go. Trey Young, Donovan Mitchell. I think this is another one where the career shooting. Do you know who's a better three-point shooter for his career? Just by you saying this, it's got to be Mitchell, right? Yeah. It is Mitchell. I'm going to go Mitchell.

I am going to go Mitchell. And I don't want to turn into a negative Trey Young thing, but I just think Mitchell has... Personality-wise, I love both of these guys. Minus the complaining from Trey in the game that drives me crazy. There's a...

What I factor in any play, there's a fuck you in both of these players in their game that I love. Mitchell's been missing a few more games, but I think the fact I'm getting a little bit more size and I actually think he is a better shooter from outside. And some of the playoff stuff, Trey had a great playoff run last year.

They're both averaging like close to 30 when you look at the playoff career numbers and this kind of stuff. But Donovan shot it better in the playoffs from three than Trey has. And I'm not worried about having a very undersized guard getting just hunted defensively the way Trey would be.

So I bet more people would say Trey. I think it's Mitchell for me. I'm going to say Trey only because I hear you on the Mitchell being a better shooter but like i'm it's trey young like i'll still i'm okay with his shooting abilities and he's he's kind of a of course he's kind of a significantly better playmaker too um you know i'm not saying donovan is not a good playmaker but trey is like an elite playmaker in the league and i guess i look at it

like last year's playoffs where he scared the shit out of a bunch of teams beat the knicks um obviously uh won the second round series as well and you know there were some people of me are the hawks gonna be in the finals like that's what i think trey young can do and i don't i don't love all assets of trey young's game but i do think he scares the shit out of me when it's right more than probably more than donovan mitchell does even though donovan might be a little bit more of a consistent player so i'm going like upside here and that trey could single handedly if he gets hot take you to a. I'm not sure Donovan could do that. Plus Donovan's playing on a much better team, much better organization. I think you have to

take that into account. So I lean, I lean slightly Trey. That Utah Denver series is an all-timer and I should not be forgotten. And it shouldn't be overshadowed by Trey's run last year, even though, you know, Mitchell didn't get out of that round, which is obviously super disappointing considering what happened against Denver. But I would feel better about everything you said if Atlanta wasn't a 10 seed right now. Yep. No, you're right. But they've got problems. I don't think that's a Trey thing. And then your thing about he hasn't necessarily been getting the foul calls that he has in the past, that does impact kind of the thing too. Although it's coming back now, you're right. That lasted like six weeks six weeks dude but if he's not getting those calls then this is a drastically

different conversation i'd probably take mitchell no i you know look trace let's see he's at seven so maybe the overall i mean last year was absurd yeah the last two years he was at nine but if i go game log here, I bet you. I think I like watching Donovan better. I'll just say that. But I would take that. The anti-Donovan argument would be like, hey, he can get a little Russell Westbrook-y light in some of those late moments where he forces it. And if you say, hey, I like Trey and I like his playmaking, that he's going to,

the lobs and the floaters and all that stuff. Yeah, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, but I'm just going to go Mitchell because I always am afraid when I have a really, really small guard at the point of attack defensively. So go ahead. Next one. All right. Next one. Ben Simmons versus Scotty Barnes. Scotty Barnes. Same. That it? We're good? Next? That's it. I actually even think Simmons is a little overrated defensively.

Now, not that he's a bad defensive player, but I think Barnes has every bit of a chance to be as good, if not a little bit better defensively than Simmons does. Already, we've seen more comfort offensively. The Simmons thing, I'll happily be wrong about this if Simmons proves that right now I'm worried about him in a playoff series, even with the Nets, even though he's not going to have as much pressure on him. So yeah, Scottie Barnes, I didn't have to think about that one as much. And when I say Simmons is overrated defensively, just hear me out here, I think he's still a really good defensive player. He's not the best player in the league. I think we talk about him in a way that it's like, we sure he's that and i think barnes actually could be those things so go ahead yeah no i just quickly uh i think sims is probably more talented than scotty but by all accounts scotty has like an elite attitude i'll take that every day um yokich versus mb this is the one i mean this isn't like original or anything but i want i hate one. I hate it because I don't want to answer it.

I don't. The only thing that would separate it, there's two things that could separate it. I absolutely love what these two guys have done. I don't think you should be dismissive of the other one when you're arguing one of them for MVP because that's how close I think it is. That's how often I'll change my mind. So I still don't have a definitive answer. Embiid's defense, I think it's easy to say I'll put that mind so I still don't have a definitive answer and beats defense I think it's

easy to say I'll put that one over the edge but if you're talking the next five years I just know that Joker's going to be healthy the the likelihood of him being healthy and clean the next five years versus Embiid I don't think it's really much of a debate um so I'll I'll take I'll take Joe and I just think there's a playmaking aspect to Jokic that you could plug a lot of different things around where I'm excited to see Embiid with some spacing from the point of attack. Instead of having Seth Curry have to set up their offense or whatever, like Harden, even if I don't love all of the Harden stuff, I still think there's plenty there that we'd like with Embiid. So I'm excited to see what that likes, but I think projecting out five years, I'll go Jokic. You're not worried about Jokic's late game minutes, crunch time minutes in the All-Star game?

I'm not. I'm not. Just leave it at that. I went with Embiid just because I think when he's on, he could be the best player in the league. Jokic is more consistent, but Embiid legitimately is probably the best player in the league when everything's going for him. So I could be burned by that, but mb like legitimately is probably the best part in the league when he's when everything's going for him so i could be burned by that but it is right i think we felt that way about mb in the past you know in other other seasons when it wasn't that

he was a clear-cut mbp favorite or co-favorite because there are nights where you watch mb and you go is anybody actually better than this guy the problem is you have to sustain it for you know one two full seasons right like i love both their attitudes they're different like mb's like the fuck you like kind of like outward guy talking shit to everybody and yokich is like the guy who kind of silently talks shit through his play but also through his brothers i look but i honestly love both of these guys so it's a tough call but i just think mb ceiling ceiling was a little higher but i could be burned by the injury thing you're right um all right next one jaw versus lamella don't have to think about this one a ton give me jaw

uh as much as i've enjoyed lamello and understanding his game and all that different stuff there's still some lamello fuck-ups i could do without there's still some late game stuff with him like he had five fouls and he got like real physical the other night with a guy before the break right at half court it was just stupid like he got pushed and then he decided to foul and then he you know then there was that other comeback where they bench him for the last eight minutes which i give lamello a lot of credit he was fully engaged was fired up for his teammates as they had this massive comeback um that was a different game but whenever i turn them on i'll still notice a couple a couple fuck-ups with him,

which is only me pointing out the reason why I'm just going with Ja, where I think Ja now a few years into the league. And that's it. That's really the difference. LaMelo, a couple more years in the league, he may look like Ja. He's going to have more size. The landing for LaMelo, I'm not holding my breath every time the way I am with Ja, where I'm constantly afraid his legs are going to fall off

because he's just so ferocious with everything. But I'll go Ja right now because I think he's a little steadier as the one of what's a really good team, too, in Memphis. Back-to-back rookie of the years, I think, right? I think both those guys. Lamello's a little bigger, better shooter. I'll hear the case for Lamello,

but I'm going to go with Ja, too. I worry about the fuck it. I'm just going to take it to the hole every time and throw an ambition to the wind. But it's hard to go with Ja too. I worry about the fuck it. I'm just going to take it to the hole every time and throw an ambition to the wind. But it's hard to take anybody over Ja, honestly, right now. Lomelo's great and all that, but I'll side with Ja just because I think that dude has...

Not that Lomelo doesn't have the star potential, but the stuff that Ja does is literally Ja dropping, and his team is nasty. So I'll go there. All right, next one this is uh kind of like a theory in my theory about like mobily and taking well i'd always side with like the wing slash ball handler guard in a draft before taking it big if all things are equal so i want to do

this with i want to test this with evan mobley so i'll go since you picked jow since we both picked jaw why don't we do this ev Evan Mobley versus Ja next five years. Ja. Yeah, I agree. Where's the line there then? Like what about Lamella? If I said Mobley and Lamella. Probably say Mobley.

No, I would say Mobley. Yeah, I don't. Like Mobley still does shit every single night where I'm like, wait, what did he just do? And then I rewind it. I would say, you know, as far as being the number one of a team offensively, the game, as you've pointed out, and we've talked about this, it's why Cade went number one. It's why when I asked a bunch of front offices right before it, I was like, look, it comes down to it, Cade or Evan, and every one of them pick Cade. They go, the way our game is played, it's a Cade Cunningham league. And it's true. And I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying maybe's right I'm not saying maybe hey maybe you pivot back the

other way and give Mobley some looks because he can turn and face or whatever um I would say there's still if I had to be a little critical of moby there's still a little choppiness sometimes when I see him getting into his offense or when it's like okay this is closed off so now let me think about what I want to do but then there's other moments where he like jab steps left, pivots back, spin, dunks on everybody in traffic, and you go, holy shit. And then he goes back down to the other end and reads the pick and roll perfectly

and jumps the passing lane, and then he's helping you lead a break. So I don't even like being remotely critical of Mobley, but on that one with LaMelo, yeah, the more I'm talking about it out loud, Mobley. Well, speaking of Cade, let's do this one. This is three guys. Last three, number one picks. Zion,

Anthony Edwards, Cade, next five years. Anthony Edwards. It's back to that mentality thing. I like Cade. I defend Cade. Zion's probably my single favorite player to watch in the league last year, but until further notice, once we understand what the hell's actually going on down there,

which I'm telling you right now, Pelicans fans or even Pelican media members, this is Zion drafted off of the Ben Simmons, James Harden bullshit, the Kyrie bullshit. He was able to hang in the back, and because we're still talking about somebody with an injury, although we don't really know, I'm not suggesting he's not hurt. We just don't know because he has not been in communication with the people that he needs to be in communication with. As this story builds and Zion, if he continues to not play and then also is wondering where his max rookie extension is,

you will now be at the front of the line of the new drama story in the NBA, unless it's replaced by a bigger player in a bigger market. But Zion has been able to avoid a lot of the negativity that may be coming his way and has already started to trickle out the last week because he was drafting behind these other bigger stories in bigger markets with bigger names. I was thinking about the Zion thing in the context of Elway and Eli Manning and whether a guy would ever do that in the NBA or whether they could do that. Going back in time, would Zion just be like, hey, I want to play

here, like trade the pick? Because what are we doing? Like we're three years in. He's played 85 games. Yeah, he's been hurt. But, you know, we talk about the mentality. Like, I don't know. Like, would he be playing more games if he was playing with the Knicks?

Probably. Why wouldn't if he didn't want to go there originally? Why not just be like, I don't want to go? Or are like owners in the league like so afraid that would happen because because it would totally ruin small markets and everybody would be up in arms? I'm just interested in why that has never happened, really, in the league. It happened with Steve Francis. He didn't want to go to Vancouver. That's fair.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, it worked. Like somebody as big as Zion? Yeah. I mean, look, there was the Kobe Lakers deal, too, but somebody still could have taken Kobe earlier. And that was always the Nets thing where apparently the Nets were just like, if you take him, he's never playing. He's going to go to Italy or whatever.

So yeah, it's a good question because I'd imagine it'll happen again at some point. But it's going to be really weird when Zion's like, where's my rookie extension? And he's dealing with one of the cheaper franchises when it comes to ownership in the nba they may be the ones and by the way they can wait it all out and say we don't need to give you this a year early just like phoenix and ayton the difference is ayton played and they just came off a finals appearance all right next one all right three more really quick luca versus janice ah close tough um janice is everything i would want in a personality is the face of my franchise so i will go janice everything this is people are gonna be having this debate for a while i i would

go janice too um even though like luca i go better defensive Yeah, I mean, but the only thing is, who do you trust with the ball? At the end of the game, who do you trust with the ball in their hands? And the answer is Luka, so I kind of feel like I should go Luka in that situation.

I think you can get away with some of Luka's lackluster defense, whereas, do I think, yeah, a lot of things fell the honest way last year. Happy, won the title,

but let's be honest, there were injuries and things like that. I'm just trying to be honest with this. No, it's a lot of things fell the honest way last year. Happy won the title. But, you know, let's be honest, like there were injuries and things like that. And I'm just trying to be. No, it's a very good point. So really, because when you think about ball side, you know, trying to figure out like how you're going to play the pick and roll and like, all right, Luca can Luca gives me more options than Giannis does. Like just because Giannis won last year. This is kind of my Durant Giannis thing where I go.

OK, but in what world prior to the playoff success, which I guess is part of it, but if we're just talking like basketball players standing next to the basketball player, if you saw Durant and Giannis like playing a pickup game separately and you didn't know who they were, I don't know how you'd ever say like, oh, that Giannis guy is more talented than that Durant guy.

I don't even know how you would get to that. And honestly, the only people that argue are from Milwaukee. So, all right, next one. All right, two more. SGA, Jalen Brown. I thought I was going to go Jalen here. SGA's younger. His efficiency stats have been terrific.

It's sort of a weird year there in Oklahoma City. He hasn't played since the end of January this year because of the ankle. Last year with the planter thing, I think they basically just shut him down to make sure the tank was in effect. I even was a little thrown off with SGA because I thought he was a little scared in the playoffs in that seven-game loss in the first round of Houston, which is fine.

Young guy, new experience. He didn't look comfortable to me. I don't know if that's part of him or just the fact that he was young and 21 and out there and all that. So I'm pointing it out, but I'm not predicting that's who he's going to be the rest of his time. So I think Jalen may be the confidence part of it that way. But I can't get past the SGA drive numbers. He's led the NBA in drives per game each of the last two seasons. He's at like 50% on those. He gets the free throw line a ton. He just has this way that he moves.

And I've seen him live a couple of times. When the first thing I saw him live, I'm like, oh, this guy's just, what the fuck? This is amazing. The way he moves and you just can't really do much with it. He is relentless with it. And I think it's actually very, very rare. So his drive numbers and the way he's done it,

despite the fact he's on a bad team and he's allowed to just ISO and drive the entire time, the thing is it actually works with him more so than these other guys that think they can do it and then they can. It's a very rude awaking in the NBA. I'll go SGA. I'll go SGA too. Last one, Bam versus Aiton. Don't have to think about it much, Bam. I just think he can do so much more for you offensively. And I like Aiton. I do. But Aiton, he's kind of the guy now with Miami. He really is.

I mean, Butler's probably going to take some of those closing shots. But Bam, you can do so many different things with Bam. You can run your offense through Bam. And defensively, he can get out and switch. Although Aiton can do some of that stuff too, which is what I really like about Aiton is a big that can close with small lineups. But that one wasn't that tough for me. I think it's Bam.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, sound off in the comments. Let us know. Pursuit is out February 18th, and of the stars, Emile Hirsch joins us. What's up, man? Thanks for joining us. Yeah.

Thanks for having me. How you doing? Good. So, you know, when I think about John Cusack, I'm a little older than you. And I think about every single one of his movies where I was like,

oh man, you know, like he was, he was a go-to there for a while. And I wonder if a younger generation understands that he's more than just a say anything meme holding up a stereo outside. I mean, that he's more than just a say anything meme holding up uh the stereo outside i mean i saw say anything when i was like six years old on vhs so i'm kind of qzak i was always qzak obsessed beyond the meme kind of viewer um i loved working with john he's so cool and we worked together on this western

never grow old i think it was 2018 or 2017 uh but we had a great time together and it's a really cool weird western that we shot in ireland and uh this other tiny, tiny, tiny country that's so small I can't remember the name. I'm sure it's a great country, though. And Luxembourg. Sorry, Luxembourg. When you said small, we should have just gone with Luxembourg. Yeah, I mean, it's really small.

There's a line of buses there named Emil Buses, which was kind of crazy because you don't meet many meals in America. Um, John was so good in this movie, never grow old. And he plays this whispery bad guy, um, like a classic Western villain. And it was really fun working with John on that film because I sort of saw his process where he would discover things and constantly kind of work the script and keep kind of pushing. And he really is consistent with his energy, too. So they sent me this script. And this script sort of falls in the more action genre kind of films. But I still like watching these films. And I wanted to kind of add a unique flavor,

kind of like how Cage does with all those action films he does. I love watching Cage in those movies because he's always doing something weird and different so this part in pursuit i was like okay well he's like a hacker he's got all these tattoos sort of like the boy with the dragon tattoo a little bit and uh i was watching uh an interview with elon musk and I had never really seen Elon Musk talk before. And I really liked the way that he spoke and his deadpan sense of humor. So I just watched the interview once.

I think it was the Rogan interview. It was like two and a half hours or something. And I ended up just doing that. My impression of Elon from that one year. Oh, I didn't sit around and it wasn't, it wasn't a biopic, but I was sort of like kind of,

kind of doing, uh, my version of my impression of him from that interview. I just like the, the deadpan humor. Uh, I sorta, I sorta felt like this character in the movie, Rick, he's kind of constantly

commenting on his surroundings, almost like a viewer in a movie. Kind of like how Ryan Reynolds does that in Deadpool really well. He's constantly commenting on the irony of the situation, almost like a viewer at home watching from tv mic and that was something that i kind of tried to tried to sort of bring to rick and it was wild though because the way that the director liked to work he would just sort of he'd be like yeah okay this scene okay yeah i'd be like what do you what do you want he's like i just do whatever you want like okay and it was sort of uh like when he said do whatever i want he meant like even he wanted he was pushing me to be improvising a lot he wanted improvisation

to be able to work with later which i thought was really interesting and cool especially because the speed we're working at it's one thing if you're improvising and you have like 10 takes but if you're doing two takes and you're improvising on both of them, now it's starting to get exciting. You know what I mean? Because the pressure increases, but it only sort of makes it more fun. This ended up being an incredible answer. I touched on a couple of things that I want to follow up on. So when you play this character, and I've seen some of it, and you come out look like a bad-ass man. You get the face tats, you know,

a bunch of Uzi shots in there, you know, there's, and you're a terrific, I mean, you're a great actor. And I know that, you know, I imagine there's things that you want to try and push yourself, but whenever it's somebody that's kind of unhinged, I imagine there's like, okay, I can't just be so wild the whole time that this is, it still has to feel a little real. And when people are a little bit more real, but they're unhinged, it's actually scarier, which is kind of what I picked up from this. So how do you play that out where you go, okay, I know I'm different and I have all these things pulling at me and I'm trying to get back at all these different people, but I still,

I want to stay in this lane that doesn't feel like I'm overdoing it. Well, I think that the way that we sort of, you know, protected the character from becoming too much like the Joker or something like that was my son is in real life is eight years old. And he played my son in the film, which was super cool. And it was a small part. And he worked a couple of days and he'd never really done acting before but i think having my son uh play that part it kind of it automatically kind of grounded it a little bit for me because the character is constantly trying to find his son and uh i think that that was that sort of i think kept it in the in the reality line a little bit for me even though i mean it's not it's not real at all um but as much as you were kind of referring to i think it sort of did that

and it was we had a blast i mean brian really is good with these action sequences the director and it was fun to you know it's fun to enter into that genre where it's like the normal rules of cinema just don't apply. You know, they'd come up to me and they'd give me an Uzi and he'd be like, OK, so, you know, when the bouncer looks at you, just empty the whole clip into him. And I'm like the whole clip. He's like, yeah, you know, just just get rid of the bouncer. clip he's like yeah you know just just get rid of the bouncer and it's funny because it just it's like you're in this action movie and the guy's just wasting people left and right and it's like it makes sense within the within the rules of this particular movie but as an actor who's been in all these different movies uh it's still funny to like see the the difference in the logic you know it's just it's kind of funny. It's fun.

What's the best way for a director to talk to you? Because it sounds like you had a lot of freedom on this one, but I imagine that's not always the same. I really think it always varies. I like directors that put me at ease in a way, but even saying that, a director puts you at ease, maybe that's not necessarily what the actor needs in that moment is to be me at ease in a way, but even saying that, you know, a director puts you at ease, maybe that's not necessarily what the actor needs in that moment is to be put at ease. Sometimes an actor doesn't need to be put at ease. It's hard to give a, a one kind of one answer to that because

I've worked with directors who are very, very different from one another. I've worked with guys that are like the Kubrick style where it's just take after take and they just want the specific thing. And I've worked with guys that just do one take and move on like William Friedkin or Gus Van Sant, guys that just work really fast. I enjoy both of the processes. There's a lot of actors I know that they only like working one way and as soon as they realize the director works another way, they get a little standoffish or they're not happy. I'm fortunate that I actually enjoy and appreciate both of those myriad of techniques. know i figure out what the director's like early on and then i try to have fun within their process that's the uh the recipe for happiness as an actor i've i've learned is because if you try to turn against your director you can't if like it's the worst mistake an actor does is when they like try to dig their heels in against the director because it's just so hard to do and

even even on set you dig your heels in too much they're still just going to go to the editing room right after and get what they want anyway and they're going to make sure that they have enough footage to where they can just edit what they always wanted it's really is a director's medium and actors that get really hung up on certain things and fighting the director i'm always i'm always kind of like man this is such a waste of time dude you have to get another take you have this look on your face and i know you're not going to tell me any names so i'm not going to ask you but you just have you almost i can see you going through the rolodex of times you're like yeah this wasn't a great well no i mean i've you know i've made a lot of films at this point now with the shooting i had read like a lot of this

takes place in arkansas right and it was during the summer as well yeah it was hot it sounds like it was terrible i mean there's one scene where uh my character basically buries these two people up to their necks in dirt and it that's one of those things it's super hard to to fake that you know if you want an actor to look like he's buried up to his neck in dirt you kind of have to bury him up to his neck in dirt and this was a guy and a girl and i remember we were sort of like on the edge of a swamp and i remember looking down at them so i was sort of standing over them in the scene and there was just a swarm of mosquitoes descending on their heads and they couldn't move because they're they're buried up to their necks in dirt and i just remember this actress just trying to blow the mosquitoes away frantically i mean it

was just awful i felt so bad yeah i had heard that a lot of the crew i imagine you you had trailers um but that there was a hotel that people were stuck in and then it's it's been bulldozed because there was just no really yeah oh my god i wonder why they bulldozed it maybe the yelp reviews after you guys used them for for shooting i don't know yeah i mean we i mean i think they blew up this one room i mean it was wild there was so much weapons work and explosives and it was it was it was intense i mean i shot all my scenes in three days wait you had three days of shooting for this entire movie for you can you believe that no i mean this it was like changing running around like we shot like when

i say we shot this fast we shot this so fast i can't believe i can't believe it took three days i mean that's that's great work for you i mean no wonder you love this director most efficient guy ever he's like yeah it's good no i mean it was wild because i would he would be like yeah just just you know i'm liking it just keep going just do whatever i'm like okay but i mean we're only getting this one take because we got like these other 40 setups and he's like it's gonna be he's like i just like what you're doing so that's cool and when you have that kind of freedom it really is uh fun because you know you're really you're molding the character into what it's going to be as you're doing it because

there's just there's no other material in the editing that's i still can't get over that three days thank good for you man uh when when you think about you know i feel like it's not just actors actresses i think everybody in life you're like you know what i'd really like to try to do some of this and then with you they'd be like well emile's just great at the art house stuff like he's he's he's this guy and he nails these deep characters and all that is it that you want to try a million different things i imagine as an actor but there are also times where you feel like i want to prove to everybody that i can do different things as well it's not so much like prove stuff. I think it's more along the lines of,

I just, I like to watch a lot of different genres and movies. And when you're making, you know, independent films for the most part, you're going to get a wide variety of genres sent to you. And, you know,

I guess I'm fortunate in the sense that, you know, these different producers and productions are willing to send me different types of roles. You know, it's never been me running after any type of character or movie or anything like that. It's more of just people willing to take a chance on me in a certain type of different role and me going for it. I think it always keeps it interesting for me getting to play different parts. And I still have a lot of fun acting. And I think playing different roles is sort of what keeps it a lot of fun for me. Once upon a time in Hollywood, I knew I was going to love it.

And then I saw it and I go, I can't wait to watch it again. I mean, that's just how I feel about Tarantino's movies. That's how I feel about that movie in particular. It's so incredibly done. How did that come about for your role and kind of the whole start and how you kind of figured out how you fit in? your role and kind of the whole start and how you kind of figured out how you fit in. So the way that that role came about was I had done a film that Quentin saw called, uh, the autopsy of Jane Doe and Quentin saw this film. And I, I think at the time Quentin had a Facebook and so I got this Facebook message from Quentin Tarantino

and it was like I didn't know if it was real or not we weren't like Facebook friends and I was just like and he was like you know he said he really liked Jane Doe and that he might have

something for me in this project he was working on. And this was way before the movie went. This was like nine months or something before. So he must have just been writing still at that point. And I was like, oh, I really hope I'm not being catfished right now or something like that. I really, I really hope this isn't just some like 15 year old dweeb just having a laugh with me um and i was like and i think i said that i was like

i really hope this isn't catfish and he's like no this is me i assume it's you and i was like wow this really is him and uh i think that the character of austin tilden that i played in the autopsy of jane doe i think he just he saw the jc bring that he wanted in that vibe of that character and um ish you know jay was a different guy but i think he could see how i could play that part in that role and uh he would sort of sent me these facebook messages periodically over the months. And it was, it was amazing. And when he finally sent me a message where he's like, I want you to do this.

It was, it was like a, like Christmas came or something. It was amazing. It's like amazing to have this weird writing relationship with this amazing director through Facebook. And it was a thing where I almost think like my agents didn't even believe me. They were like, yeah, like you're writing when D'Andino on Facebook. All right.

All right, dude. Like, you know, they were like kind of feeling kind of bad for me a little bit. Um, and then it all turned out to be true and it was, it was such an amazing experience and you know maybe someday you know i was in a lot of scenes and sequences that didn't actually make it into the film a lot of them with margot robbie um and you know i think they talked about some extended cut someday someday i'm really excited to see some of those scenes and you know so many scenes don't make it when you're editing and

Quentin shoots a lot of scenes. So I think he's, that's part of his process, but getting to work with him was a dream come true. I mean, he's so intelligent. He's so detail oriented. He's an empathetic guy too. He really cares about the work and about the film and his crew. work and about the film and his crew. And it was always my dream to do a film with him. And the first movie premiere I ever went to was when I was 14 years old. And I went to the premiere of The Green Mile. And I think it was in Westwood and Quentin was there. And somehow I was with this actress, cherish Lee and her mom who I think somehow knew Quentin or was, she knew Quentin somehow.

So Quentin came over to this table. I was sitting and I was just a kid that was just going to school and was like, it's green miles. Amazing. Tarantino walks up and he was so, so nice and cool. And he's like, oh, who's your favorite dog? Because I said I loved Reservoir Dogs.

Who's your favorite dog? And I was so deer in the headlights. I didn't know what he meant. I was like, maybe a Dalmatian or something. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no. So, you know, he always had this kind of mythic place in my mind, especially because he was like the first director I ever met at a premiere. And then I sort of would see him over the years.

And I just just always loved his films. So, you know, it was a it was amazing to get to be a part of that film and to sort of see him in action. Is there one thing from shooting that movie that you remember more than anything else? I think the thing that I remember the most was one day we were shooting a scene at El Coyote and on the schedule, I didn't have any dialogue that day. There was no dialogue. It was just written. It was like a bullet header in the script, just like they sit down and they have dinner. Right. So I get there and I'm like, oh, it's a light day. This is cool. And Quentin comes up to me and he goes, okay, Emil, he goes, I'm going to watch you. I'm going to repeat this story. I'll repeat it again if you

need, but I want you to just repeat the story. I tell you as close as you can in the scene on camera. And he proceeds to tell me the story about how Jay Sebring would get these movie productions to pay all this money to get him to fly out to the location to cut Steve McQueen's hair and how he would never fly and cut hair on the same day. So he basically had this technique of flying out, getting paid, partying, and then leaving. The way Quentin told the story, it was like a three-minute story. And Quentin loves the story. He had told me the story when I first met him in his office about playing Jay.

He loves the story. So I already had it once. Then I heard it again, and I was like, OK, cool. And for a huge part of the day, I just did this monologue over and over that Quentin had told me, and I just did it through memory. And then he would come up to me after each take and be like, yeah, I kind of work on this piece, want to work on this piece, don't forget that one part in here. And it was wild to learn that much material through hearing it and then spitting it back i just i'd never done a scene like that before it was so cool and but it was so much dialogue but because i was just repeating back what I heard, I was able to learn it really quickly and add and change it.

And doing the Tarantino monologue in that way was a really cool experience. And I just remember doing it over and over. And it wasn't like he wouldn't just let me just repeat it back. He wanted very specific things. He had his list of things that he wanted done in the story. And it was great. I had a great time. Yeah. Clearly he had so much back material in his head about this world, you know,

he writes, he writes about it after the fact, you know, long after the movie had come out. And I'm, I'm simply just, you know, asking you wonder if that technique gets you playing the role of whoever was playing another role

and however they would work with them one on one and just that now it's like, OK, because I always thought that his dialog does the best at explaining who the characters are without the forcing the dialog of like, oh, I am so upset right now because this this and this and it's like, no, it's actually natural dialog, which then tells you everything you need to know in a very unforced way. Yeah. I mean, the first time that I read the script, I had seen a little bit of video of Jay Sebring, who was kind of on the video that I saw. He was a little bit more stiff and serious than Quentin wanted. So I read, I did a read through of the script and I sort of tried

to play it like the video that I had seen. Quentin calls me and he goes, no, no, no, no, no. You have permission to be more flamboyant. I want you to be more playful. And as soon as he said that, all the dialogue that he had written made perfect sense to me as soon as he gave me this one direction and i think by exposing myself to the video of the real jay that was that was where i had the error because i thought that that's how quentin might write jay but that's not how quentin was going to write jay quentin was going to see Jay for who Jay really was versus like the surfacy video interview that he did. You know, people aren't, they're not the same in that way. He was going to play Jay the way people felt about him, represented what Jay meant. You know,

everybody liked Jay. You know, that was something that was really important to Quentin. So a lot of the direction was Quentin being like, you have permission to be more flamboyant. And it worked. It worked. I have to ask you about Into the Wild because I remember the first time I'd read it and just to have Krakauer go back and forth. I'm reading this book and you're so invested in this one person, McCandless. And at the time, I was pretty young. I had read it and was like, I couldn't believe books could be... In a way, I was like, this isn't just some history book. This isn't some outdoors book. When you got that role, what was that feeling like? When I first got a call from Sean and he wanted to get together, he didn't say what it was for. he didn't say what it was for so i had no idea i was just hanging out with sean and just talking about my life my family just what i was up to was just 20 year old kid you know and um near the end

of our time together he was like check this book out i've got this this book, check it out. It wasn't like I'm making the movie or anything. She's like, just read this book. And so I read, I mean, I read it immediately. Right. I was like, Oh my gosh, it's Sean. And it occurred to me that I had actually seen the 2020 special on McCandless and Krakauer in the book when I was like nine years old in Santa Fe, New Mexico. I'd already seen it. And it made a really big impact on me as a kid. I mean, I think I saw it. I was probably alone watching TV and I was like, oh my God, he died alone in this spot. It really affected the idea of what happened to this guy.

It really, really was in my head as a kid. And and I realized that this was the same story all these years later, you know, 11 years later. And I really I tried to to take it as seriously as I could at the time. I tried to take it as seriously as I could at the time. You know, a role of that magnitude, not only a real life person, but who really stood for some cool, amazing things and had some interesting views on the world. And, you know, had this loving family that was left behind and uh it kind of it was there was never a part of that whole process that wasn't really mind-blowing from the prep to shooting it across the whole country mexico uh all over the united states california you know oregon south dakota north dakota nevada arizona the gulf of mexico up in alaska we shot in so many different places and it was always an

adventure they would find the most remote locations to shoot and we'd really be on our own i mean we shot for a week going down the Colorado River, camping on the banks, just stuff that you don't do. I mean, most productions do not do that type of thing. And it was a real, it was a full on adventure that, you know, the shooting alone of that movie lasted for seven months from beginning to wrap. It was really long. We shut down a couple of times and took a few breaks but it was a it was a very long process so the opposite of pursuit yeah i mean the exact opposite i'm looking forward to this one the trailer is is a lot of fun and to see cusack you know it's it's kind of cool

how you can pick a spot you know you do it long enough like all right yeah i guess i'll do something um this year yeah i mean there's some crazy action. And, you know, I kind of just threw in on my Elon Musk vibe. That's a good answer. Because I think there'd be a lot of people listening to this going, oh, okay. Now I got it. Because I had one friend once that hung out with him. And he was texting me as it was happening.

And he was like, he goes, this is an experience. It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like you know it wasn't like the weirdest thing ever but you know i saw the interview and i was like man this he's really like he just he doesn't he didn't talk like i expected him to at all yeah like from his from his pictures i thought he was this like rico suave kind of debonair dude and he is he is uh but he was kind of nerdier the way he talked than i initially thought he would no offense to musk you know what i mean but obviously he's a rocket scientist yeah right but he's definitely had like a hot girl summer thing going on here for a little while you know since so i think what you've said i think what you've said is fair by the way congrats on the mammoth thing

I saw that recently as well with the award again Pursuit February 18th thanks to Emil appreciate it yeah thank you thanks Ryan you want details? fine I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet what's up I have a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolet.

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but I don't know that we want to do that. I think people do like the LifeAdvice thing, but we've gotten so many celebrity encounters that it's great and they're hilarious. And a bunch of us have read them and talked about them a little bit here and there. But some of them also, I don't want to make people look bad

if it's in their one moment of, you never know. You could meet the person. Like the celebrity you're saying, like if they were a dick. Yeah. And like, look, it's not like I don't believe the email or if the person was a dick to you and you're writing the experience, that's totally fine. But I also know like you may have just caught that guy on the wrong day. And some of these people are so famous that, you know, sometimes it's a nice exercise to put yourself in their shoes realizing.

But so many of the stories are great. Most of them are very positive. I just don't know if we turn it in Celebrity Corner once a week. I mean, in a weird fucked up way, we probably could, but I definitely am sensitive to, it's not like I know most, I don't know most of the people that are emailing about. I don't really want to call anybody out. Some of the stories are funny as hell, but they also at times, they just don't seem fair to the person unless the person's just a perpetual asshole. Knowing me, I'd probably be like, oh yeah, no, I met this guy. He sucks. Let's do the email. This is partially my fault probably though, because I did ask for, but I specifically asked

for people's celebrity encounters in which they then hung out with the person. Not like just that you met and he was cool for five minutes, like that you went out like to the bar or like he invited you to like a barbecue the next day. Like I don't like it needs, there needs to be like a next level to, other than just like, I met this guy and he was cool or he was a dick. So if you have a story where it's like, Hey, I met, I don't know, Robert Downey Jr., right? We partied for like three straight days in Vegas. That's the story I want to know. Not that like, hey, I met Robert Downey Jr. in an airport and said, hey, I'm a big fan, took a selfie and walked away. Okay. All right. All right. That's good. So we had a bunch of people with the, what was the line? There ain't no Craig in O-Town,

bitch. Was that it? Was it bitch? Something like that, yeah. Somebody was suggesting we need to make t-shirts. Let me double check if that's the actual line. So we had a couple people say. Well, we already got for the dudes too. We got for the dudes t-shirts. Taking it for the dudes.

Taking it for the dudes. That was Kyle. He can do that line on his own. Sideline. There was actually a guy that emailed in kyle sent it to me who was upset was like that was uncool what you did to nick carter and i'm like you know what in the grand scheme of thing that wasn't nick carter probably didn't even remember he doesn't care yeah and then he had some other people saying there's no way that nick carter would say if i remember craig

craig loves jaeger bombs and guys were upset they didn't think that was potentially true but the guy that originally sent in the email said that it's been the best because they had 50 people listen to this thing uh which may seem like a high number but whatever um thanks for the story I love the story and the fact that I think I let me double check what that quote is but I was trying to look to see if there was another Craig like is there a Craig and another boy band because maybe he was thinking of like 98 degrees or something and he was like I don't know O-Town sure dude like no I think they were yeah I just think he went with Craig I think it was Craig because then he sent in a follow email saying thanks for reading that whole thing and apparently they had told one of the girls in the VIP section

like hey this is what we did and she was like this is hilarious and didn't tell on them but then she also was like you know there's no Craig in O-Town and they were like all right so i don't if we get somebody on from otown although i don't know if that would solve so actually you know what like did any of you guys was a craig thrown out aaron carter on see if he remembers you know what would have been an all-time comeback to the bouncer who was like there ain't no craig in otown i keep saying bitch because i think that's what it was but i'm just let me double check what it was oh bitch there ain't no craig in o-town i keep saying bitch because i think that's what it was but i'm just let me double check what it was oh bitch there ain't no craig in o-town all right yeah that'll work there you go you know what would have been great is if the emailer had said or the guy that gets called out on it just goes yeah but i would i would originally was in o-town

and my name is craig and we broke up over creative differences trying to do my own solo thing now so brother out okay there was one with canal that went bad i don't know i i um there was there's one here all right there's a chris long one wait i kind of want to hear the cano one i feel like danny's always nice to people like that danny likes the attention yeah i think he i'm surprised danny was like an sec guy who knows well yeah that's also true too like if i were an sec guy i don't know that'd be like all fired up about him okay all right all right let's get to uh

let's get to a couple life advice we can just bang these out here all right sliding glass door installation six foot weight fluctuates 205 215 depending on drinking habits now healthy i choose to eat that particular month my wife and i recently decided to bite the bullet and purchase our first home in idaho the whole process went surprisingly smoothly overall and we just received the keys this week. Congrats. Great feeling. The house is a 1924 bungalow, 1,900 square feet with finished basement, a quarter-acre lot. The inspection came back fairly clean. The only major thing that requires immediate attention is an old sliding glass door that leads from the master bedroom to the back patio.

The door works, but is a big eyesore that needs to be replaced ASAP. My wife wants to purchase a high-end door. I am fine with this and have it professionally installed. I am questioning this. Background on myself. I grew up in a small farm and have ample experience doing outdoor work like mending fences, fixing pipes, branch maintenance. I have no experience with windows and will admit that installing a sliding glass door

on my own feels like a potentially daunting project. As a person with extensive window experience, I guess he's talking about me. I wouldn't say well I've hung windows so this look let's let's I'm gonna I'm gonna clarify exact yes I have worked on um this stuff but the reason I'm going to tell you what I'm going to tell you has to do with whether or not my work is extensive with window installation all right would you recommend burning the one to two grand on a professional installation or do you think I should try and impress the wife by tackling installation with a buddy of mine who's a little handier than me, but not as handy as he thinks he is? He recently installed a paver

patio in his backyard that is probably now sloped at 5%. Thanks for your consideration. Hanging windows is a lot different than finishing a window. in this case, you're going to have to do the finish work to a level that is acceptable. And I was never allowed to do the finish work because everybody knew I didn't have the patience for it. And it's truly like it's an art. It's a learned skill. You have to have the patience. Measure twice, cut once thing. And if you're just off on that shit a little bit, you're just going to be terrible with it. There's also going to be, if you're talking about a 1924 house, the demo is easy. And as I said, hanging the window, if the framer's worth a shit, is really easy. You could just tack them in and then you're out of there as the framing crew. Although some framing crews would argue, which I remember a couple of times at a job site, it was like, no, no, no.

The framing was for the framing. It wasn't to do doors and windows. It was like, whoa, dude, back up. Some framers will agree with me. Some framers will disagree. It all should be worked out on the price anyway. But hanging the window is not that hard. Trimming it

is really fucking hard. So I don't doubt with your handy background that you could take out the old door. I'm a little worried about what the framing will be around it. And if we're talking 1924, talking almost 100 years. So I'm going to guess the specs for it. I don't know if you already have it measured out and there's something at Lowe's or Home Depot that you can go ahead and it's going to be sized right and you're good to go.

Or you might have to build out more framing around it, which is a little daunting because then you're working off the old framework. So that could be a little scary. But the biggest thing with all of this, and the reason I tell you probably just bite the bullet and pay somebody, is even if you get to that point and then you get it tacked in and you're good to go you mentioned that you've been handy on a farm most of that stuff is not delicate okay most of that is not to an eighth of an inch this is bush fixing i'd imagine most of your background like a wrench in a in a screw and you bend it over and it's fixed because it's a farm you know this isn't this isn't

technical i remember when somebody was teaching me on the miter saw like different cuts and how you would make it work and you actually don't want to be at exactly 45 degrees you want to be a little off on both sides of the cut so that when you tack it in together on the trim work it actually fits better than just a straight fan i was like oh wow that makes a lot of sense a little trick all right some of you that have done trim work like hey that fits better than just a straight fin. I was like, oh, wow, that makes a lot of sense. A little trick, right? Some of you that have done trim work were like, hey, that's not that interesting, not that insightful. That wasn't for you. It was for the other people. My guess is going to be that you've never had to be delicate or precise enough to do that kind of thing. So maybe you knock it out yourself, get it leveled. You know, if it's an entryway to the outside, as you're saying, and you're a master, like that can get a little tricky with how the outside trim flushes with whatever the outdoor, whether it's a patio or a deck.

I mean, that's a little dicey as well because you don't want to fuck that up. The leveling part of it, and then it's like leveling to your site or leveling to the building. Again, an older building is something you have to work out. Usually nothing that a couple of shims can't fix, but the actual trim work part of it, you have to know what you're doing to make it look good, and you're going to be living in this room for a long time. I'm telling you, if you fuck it up, and your cuts suck, and you don't even really understand the design part of trim work, it's going to look like it up and your cuts suck and you don't even really understand the design part of trim work it's going to look like shit and your wife's going to remember remind you excuse me all the time so i bought a house a couple years ago and we bought it with the intent of like you know fixing some things like it was definitely outdated it was in 1960 had terrible bathroom

kitchen need to be fully redone now my dad is plumbing heating hvac guy like he is mr fix it so i have yeah so i have him yeah he's helped us sell on some things like he's just he's incredible um so you know we did some things ourselves we did some things we left something to the professionals i'm not going to say the stuff that we've done ourselves is awesome but i also am like okay with that because you know we want to sell the house and this isn't like our forever house or whatever if this is the house that you want to be in forever and you're not going to do like a great job and it's going to bother your wife or it's even going to bother you if it's not perfect. Man, I would just recommend having some professional do it. You know, like if it's one thing like painting or stuff that's not super technical.

I mean, here's the thing, Ryan, you said like he could always try. Could he at least like try it and he fucks it up, like have somebody else pay for for it to fix it or is he like fucking up to the point where like it would cost him more money in the long run i think if they want to take a shot at it take out the old window but being an older house scares me a little bit that you may run into something you don't want to do and then you know like the worst thing you can do on framing something out is like if your framers are lazy and not everything's to square, like it just fucks up everything else along the line. Whenever you're building a house, you know, if the foundation isn't right, that means you're going to have to compensate somewhere with the framing. Then if the framing isn't right,

then the rest of the, you know, then when you start getting done towards you're doing some of the real installs and everybody's motherfucking them, the step behind them. But I mean, you know, it was, it was kind of part of of it and when you had the guys that just didn't didn't make sure their lines were right and all this different stuff it just adds up a little bit later on so now we're talking about a house was built 100 years ago i'm a little worried for you i don't doubt that with your background you couldn't knock i'm demos fucking easy every can do demo and that you could even with the side the right size deal make sure it's ready but i just think that trim work if you've never had any experience with it,

you're going to fuck it up. You're going to fuck it up. So yeah, go ahead. Start the process. And maybe even, what do you, do you have, does your handyman guy have the saw? Do you know what the right wood to use? Do you know the right finish nails?

Do you understand how to finish it properly? Like it's, there's a little bit more complicated than just slapping a board across the fucking exposed area and then down the sides. And then the threshold on top of that, like getting the threshold, even with the entry, than just slapping a board across the fucking exposed area and then down the sides and then the threshold on top of that like getting the threshold even with the entry without stubbing your foot or having it fucking wrong like there's a it's a little bit more complicated than people think yeah and i i wouldn't really mess around with windows either i just that that should be

done right and like because if you come into our house like you know there's cock there's some places where the caulking's not perfect like The floor tiles that stick on in the bathroom aren't perfectly done. But again, it's stuff that I'm going to overlook because I'm looking to sell the house. I don't really care. But if this is your house that you're going to be in for a while, I just know it's going to bother you long term. I would just say have it done right. Okay, let's do one more life advice here. 64220, mid-30s.

All right. Currently in the process of applying for a fairly sizable30s. All right. Currently in the process of applying for a fairly sizable commercial loan. All right. We'll leave out the dollar amount. He includes it, but I don't know. We're talking a big deal here. For new business and have been in close contact with

the bank. The other night, while my wife and I were getting ready for bed, I was already in bed and she asked, hey, have you seen my phone? I can't find it. I said no, but I'll call it. I called her phone and she heard it buzzing on the bathroom counter and grabbed it, at which point I hung up on the call and put my phone down on the nightstand. However, apparently as I was setting it down, I accidentally touched the screen and called the next person on my call log, the loan officer. My wife then gets into bed. We proceed to end the evening with some marriage strengthening activities.

Afterwards, she looks down and sees my phone in the nightstand and says, wait, who is that calling? I look and there's an eight minute, don't act like you're not impressed, he includes in the email. I look and there's an eight minute voicemail recording for this loan officer. We aren't like overly loud, but the typical romp in the sack sounds there's some playful talk about it at the end we're all yeah we're all recorded yeah that's what he's saying um we're all recorded for this guy to potentially hear my questions are one

so basically this guy had sex with his wife for eight minutes and it was all recorded on a voicemail for the loan officer if you're not able to pay attention uh okay options he says do i say anything about it at all i.e hey sorry about the pocket dial man or just ignore that voicemail or do i pretend it never happened at all or that i never realized it um two what are the odds he actually listens to or at least scrolls through i know i've gotten pocket dial sometimes i sample it just for the fun of figuring out where they are what they're doing but also would definitely not sit there and listen to an eight minute voicemail three assuming

he does listen to it for even a portion of it figure out what's happening does this make me more or less likely more or less likely to be approved for the loan uh my first i think what's going to happen here is a lot of people are going to say this. They're going to say, oh, nobody listens to voicemails anymore. Don't even worry about it. And that is true.

I almost never listen to them unless it's something like business related where I know I'm waiting on a certain call. If it's a friend, I don't listen to it, whatever. So that's kind of my point is for those of you saying don't say anything because nobody listens to voicemails anymore. This guy's a loan officer.

He listens to voicemails and he's guy's a loan officer. He listens to voicemails, and he's definitely going to listen to a voicemail from a guy that he's close to doing a big deal with. So that option is off the table. He's listened to this, okay? He has. Agreement, Cerruti? You have a look on your face right now. No, you're right. I came at this from a different angle because I would have said you call him immediately and say, hey, sorry for the butt dial. And then he wouldn't listen to it. But if you didn't respond to him right away or nip it in the butt right away, there's a good chance he took a peek and it probably wasn't great. Right. He definitely listened to it because that's his job to listen

to it. You said there's a little playful talk. Maybe he didn't make it to the end. If you get a little bit more vocal at the end, you know, and then, you know, you're asking. I was wondering what, like, because now, like, on your phone now, like, it'll, like, transcribe what it is. And I never listen. I always just kind of, like, try to read it. If it makes sense, I kind of get the gist of the voicemail.

I wonder what the, if there is any transcription, what it is, just a bunch of, oh, yeahs, I don't know. The best thing you can do is hope that as it was a slow build he's just going to hear ruffling and it's not going to make any sense for 20 30 seconds and then he's probably going to hang up because he's gonna be like oh this guy pocket dialed me it doesn't matter unless you are from second one you know ointments and robes guy i don't know if you are but you know if you are from second one, then whatever.

If they're a big foreplay couple, then there's probably going to be some exchanging of words. But even then, even then, it's not going to be the first. It's likely not going to be within the first however many seconds.

Well, let's break this down then. Okay, so she accidentally, somebody accidentally. How do you hook up, Sir Rudy? Well, yeah. From personal experience, phone's on the counter and then you immediately start figuring stuff out.

Clothes come off. And, you know, then there's like a little bit of foreplay. I don't know that that's that loud. And you're right, 30 seconds. Like if he's going to listen to 30 seconds, that's the most he's going to listen to. There's probably not going to be a lot in there unless you're like role playing behind the scene or something,

or it gets real weird, or it was like heat of the moment like let's get into it immediately i actually think you got a pretty big buffer where there's going to be nothing and i'll be like oh this is just stupid and i won't listen to it but i also think do you think that if he heard it he would bring it up the loan officer or is he just not saying anything no that's where you kind of win it's so awkward that if you never bring it up he can't yeah he's not going to be like dude what was going on the other night what's up and i don't think it hurts your chances at all of getting alone the role play thing would be busted be like hello mr draper i'm your new secretary

he's like what the fuck is going on yeah but now let's not forget too some people are fucking weird some people are prude some people no i mean on the other way some people are weird and that guy that maybe that guy's listened to it seven times you know we don't we don't know that but you he can't address it first i mean the only way like there's a couple ways that it works for you if he's listening to the whole thing does he drive a camaro does he ever said they don't make him like bon jovi anymore you know does he has he done like what's his deal what do you know about him i think the best play is understand that he's listened to some of it probably not most of it or enough for it to be weird although there are people that you know oh my god this is amazing he may have

sent it to somebody because there's that group i think that's a smaller group i think most people would like to be efficient with their time and when they don't hear anything for the first 30 seconds, they're like, all right, whatever. I think if your credit's in the right place and you have the right people signing off on it, I mean, he wants to close the loan. He's a loan officer. These guys don't want to turn deals down. So if you're good, if you were always going to be good on this the rest of the way, I don't think he's going to cost himself money because he heard you have sex with your wife. That sounds fucking crazy out loud.

So that's my ruling on this. And there's also really nothing that can, you know, even if he, even if it does get out there somehow, like this guy is super shady and he leaks this to like Reddit or something. No one's going to know it's you. I mean,

unless you guys are saying full names on the tape during sex. Like, I don't think that's... Yeah. I don't think that's a real thing. I don't think a lot of people do. You know, like chances are, chances are, again, we don't know. Maybe they... I love you, Glenn Jacobs.

Yeah, chances are, it's actually kind of probably a pretty boring audio recording. Like, it's probably not that intense. I don't know. Let's take a look. He was six, four to 20, but yeah, you never know.

I mean, maybe they get really into it. A shout out to you. Eight minutes, you know, it's, it's, you know,

it's what it is. Yeah. I think you're good on the loan. Remember loan guys. I wouldn't. Yeah. What's he going to say? Like,

yeah, no, we don't give loan to people who have sex. Like, okay. If anything, I'd be like, all right,

this guy's normal. I wish, I wish that does well no i don't want this guy to not get his business loan fairly sizable but i would i would love like hey man i got turned down he follows up with this he said to my face uh we don't we don't give loans to people that have sex sir yeah it'd just be a huge prude you know there you go and then in that case then you move on somebody else will give it to you it's fine if you at the end of the day if your credit and money situation is fine you can go to another place and you'll be all right yeah right you just go into the next bank be like do you approve people that have sex you do okay great yeah real quick first question yeah all right lifeadvicerr at gmail.com we We have a massive, massive pod for you on Friday.

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