The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Ohio State Is the Champ: The Buckeyes' Unprecedented Run and Ryan Day’s Redemption. Plus, Ben Johnson to the Bears With David Pollack.

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Russillo starts the show with his reaction to Ohio State’s victory over Notre Dame and his broader thoughts on college football (0:50). Then, he’s joined by David Pollack to recap the national championship game, discuss Will Howard’s future, and preview where college football will go from here (16:55). Finally, Ceruti and Kyle join for Life Advice (69:12)! How do I move on from the girl I thought was perfect for me? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: David Pollack Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Anyway, how about that first drive? That wasn't very much fun, but guys, first drive 945. Riley Leonard, nine carries, converted a third, a fourth, a third, and another fourth down. Seven zip, 18 plays, which meant 18 commercials in the second quarter. And you're just like, man, is this actually gonna happen? Because look, I have been talking about sports for a long time, over two years.

And even when you're like, hey, look, like this doesn't feel like a game. Nothing on paper tells me that this would be a game, nothing but the talent disparity and the momentum of what Ohio State has been doing against really good football teams. Like there's nothing that tells me. But is it that night? Is it going to be one of those special nights that brings us back all the time?

And for whatever, with that 30 minute drive and how long it took to start this football game, you're sitting there and you're going, could tonight be one of those special nights? Nope. Then it was 31-7. 31 straight points for your Buckeyes.

If you want to get creative with the math, if you take out the first drive and take the game from that point on, Ohio State's first possession, the possession preceding the 7-0 score for the Irish, Ohio State outgained Notre Dame 321 to 38 yards over the combined next nine possessions. Ohio State was getting pressure with four, which is like if there's one thing you wish you could do as a football team, can we get pressure with four? Because if you can get pressure with four, you can do a lot of things. You're probably going to be a good football team as the giants against the undefeated paths. And Riley Leonard does not really stretch the field, or at least that was not the

plan. He does not throw deep shots. He does not throw it outside the numbers. He's a terrific story, but he's not that guy. And you could see that when the game was kind of in the balance. It's like, well, there's just either not enough time to get those routes going, or they're just never really even looking there. I'd imagine the secondary probably got bored during the stretch of the game for Ohio State.

Will Howard started 13 to 13. Felt like he could do whatever he wanted. It felt like Ohio State could call any play in the playbook ship. Kelly is like, let's try this up. That worked again because they have Jeremiah Smith because they have a Bucca, they have tape, they have Judkins, they have Trayvon Henderson, who's just a

nice redemption story. Cause I remember the first time watching him as a freshman, you were like, Oh, they've got another one. And then it felt like you lost momentum. My God, gee, Scott, we needed one. And then it felt like you lost momentum. My God, G Scott, we needed one more catch to go back to back with Ohio State parlays. We did not get that second catch, which I kind of knew like they got him early.

I was like, here we go. It's the lock. Um, but I liked you, Scott. Will Howard was nine of 12 on third downs last night for the game. So it was kind of playing out the way I think most of us felt like it would play out. And by the way, Ohio state was not facing a ton of pressure from Notre Dame. They actually put up a graphic at one point of what Notre Dame does as far as their pressure rate throughout the season this year.

And at the time they put it up in the game, they were at a 0% pressure rate, which is really low. It's hard to do worse than that. And the funny thing is when they put it up, they actually got pressure for the first time on Will Howard. And then he completed a pass to convert on third and seven for another third. Now, how are some fight from the Irish? Makes sense. 10 plays, 75 yards, 31 15, the two point conversion.

Then a book of fumbles, penalties, great house, get you right back at the doorstep of a score Notre Dame first and goal at the eight I want to go over a couple throws here First down Riley Leonard running because that's probably the thing they felt best about That didn't work lost a yard the second down throw to Mitchell Evans is a bad throw. Like not even close. Then on third goal, again, at the nine, Riley Leonard throws it to great houses. The incomplete, he was going to get blasted. If he even caught it, he was going to get blasted at the five yard line. So that leads us to the field goal attempt that everybody hated last night,

which I understand, right? But whenever something like this happens, it's like, Hey, is there a chance PFT is smarter than Marcus Freeman? Well, he did kick field goals. So maybe, maybe he is on this one. It's nine 25. They're down two scores, 31 18. You're down two scores, right? That's what I saw on social media all night last night. 925, they're down two scores, 3118, you're down

two scores, right? That's what I saw on social media all night last night as they decided to do this. But let's, let's try to understand what Freeman was doing. So the two touchdowns are going to be tough enough, although, Hey, are you going to get it back down within the 10 yard line against Ohio

State? I mean, you don't feel likely about it. So it's like, okay, well, what are our chances? But what are the chances of getting two two-point conversions on top of the two touchdowns that you're going to get against Ohio State's defense that is just horrifying to deal with down there on top of the two throws that you just saw from Riley Leonard that didn't make any sense whatsoever, and you're not running a keeper from nine yards out.

I think Freeman saw those throws. I think he knew the chances of his talent separating in a short part of the field. He knew Ohio State's history. And then it's like, well, if I get the field goal, even though that sucks and it's 31-18, I don't need two two point conversions on top of the two touchdowns. And I really don't like my chances on fourth and nine against an Ohio State defense where

when Texas was lined up at the one yard line, Texas looked hopeless. Texas is down 21-14. It's at the one yard line and you're like, yeah, I don't really like their chances. That seems insane. So look, I think sometimes it's not the math. It's knowing your team. So they missed the field goal, which made it even better, right? But they score again. They get the two point conversion and it leads to Ohio State facing third and 11 and Notre Dame sends all sorts of pressure.

Something they'd struggled with all night long, which leaves Jeremiah Smith one-on-one at the bottom of the screen against Gray, who's a terrific football player. But you saw it on TV. You, like me, probably going, uh-oh. And Howard clearly sees it. And then it's a matter of, is there any way you can get pressure there quick enough before the route develops? To get 11 yards downfield, pass a six for Jeremiah Smith is not going to take a long time, especially when really all he has to do, you know how hard it is to cover even like a mid receiver one-on-one when he knows what he's doing and the quarterback knows what he's doing.

I despise those like high school football camp clips of some receiver lighting up a corner and then staring them down. It's like, oh cool. You ran an in route and beat the guy one on one. You're awesome. We'll see it middle Tennessee. No offense to middle Tennessee. I just had to pick a non-powerful school.

So look, they score again at 3123, the third and 11, right? He hits Jeremiah Smith, 56 yards. The game is over. What I loved about this too, is that Smith ran up just a really subtle, perfect route where you're freaked out if you're the corner to begin with. It's the best receiver in college football. He's a beast. When he caught the ball,

it looked like he may not even ever go down. I've never seen a freshman. I don't know that I've seen, maybe, maybe I have, but just at least last night, it's like how does it look like it's physically unfair and he's the freshman? But he ran this subtle route where he just veers inside a little bit,

which is gonna give him more space to the sideline. It's also gonna give Howard more space to throw the football a wider lane, throw the football where if he just runs a straight go route down the sideline, again, no one should be dumb enough to do that where he's using the out of bounds line against himself, but that was kind of the game, even though there was a nice little momentum shift there for Irish fans wondering is the impossible going to happen and is everyone

in the state of Ohio going to hate Ryan Day forever? Well, that's not the case because it worked out for the Buckeyes. Leonard's a tough kid. Great story. He's not good enough to win this game straight up. You could say, Hey, they opened it up. What took them so long? Well, you weren't down 24 points earlier. So it's a bit like the Carson Beck Alabama rule applying here. Did you get better or did you get desperate? And I think when teams are down, quarterbacks can look

better. They can start getting some yards. You can start saying, hey, where was this earlier? Well, you were afraid to do it earlier when it felt like the score was even. So now let's talk Ryan Day. Cause I'm happy for Ryan Day. I'm happy for LeBron James. I'm happy for Indiana fans somehow still tweeting like the Cook Islands during the UN summit last night. Day's now 70 and 10.

70 and 10. When you package it that way, he's got his national championship. His teams have been ranked at number two in the country at some point in all six of his full seasons. His eight 75 winning percentage is the second best all time in the history of the sport, minimum 80 games behind only Walter camp, all time stuff on day's resume and completing a redemption arc. Then Hollywood wouldn't believe. Can we stop saying that?

All of us. The studio, they tell you to hit the bricks, kid. That script's not real. Uh, I just hate it. Whenever we say I'm saying it because I hate it. All right, so let's just stop saying it, but it is the best recovery we've ever seen in season from a season low to the season high, the Michigan loss to where they're at now.

Um, and we'll never, we've never seen, we could in the future, but we've never seen anything like that because we've never had a team have the opportunity because we have a 12 team play up. You already understand it. I already talked about it just 24 hours ago. If you look at their talent, we knew it in August. We knew that the fundraisers were out. They were cranking it up.

What's going to get more people to invest in the NIL in Columbus? Keep losing to that team in Ann Arbor. And it worked. Although now you're like, well, wait, they lost him again. Does that mean that more people are going to, I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't matter. They just won a championship last night, but I think there's a talent

element to it where you go, okay, if we talked about this team in August and this roster that they put together and how pissed they off, they were just, this makes sense from a talent standpoint, the right team won the national championship last year. Think about what they just did. They beat Tennessee, they beat Oregon, they beat Texas,

they beat Notre Dame, four straight games. The number one, the number five, the number seven, and the number nine teams in the country for a combined score 145 to 75. That is all time stuff. It's also all time stuff because nobody else has had to play that many games. The way the seating worked out,

the way the bracket worked out, it was so stupid that they were all on that side and they were tested. They were tested in a way, even with the two losses tested in a way historically, we just, again, no one's ever had the chance to be tested this way, but they were tested in a way, even with the two losses tested in a way historically, we just, again, no one's ever had the chance to be tested this way, but they were tested. So if you feel like the right team won and you like the expansion and, you know,

look, it made sense in a weird year for them to get another shot at this, as ridiculous as the Michigan loss is, if you're making the talent argument, you're kind of making the saving Alabama talent argument, but you're just doing it with a different team in a different part of the country. Last thought on talent, because we've talked about the portal a lot and what it means and maybe a flattening and more parody, but for last night, that's not

what it was. It was Caleb Down downs going from Alabama. He didn't go to Minnesota, man. He went to Ohio state and throughout the entire season. There's an argument made his best defensive player on the field. Every single game he suited up. Maybe it'll go Abduwakar. That's fine.

Um, let's talk big 10, big 10 champs, back to back, different schools. First time since 1942, Minnesota. Minnesota used to hang some banners, speaking of the Gophers. Minnesota on Ohio State, I asked my dad about it this morning and he was like, I was not alive. Long time ago. Six teams won national championships or claim national championships over that two year period. So is that what happened?

We don't do that anymore. Unless you're UCF. Six teams, Stanford, Tennessee, Bama, a fraudulent nine and two year. Good enough for them to claim a title. They've got a handful of fake ones. Texas, Texas football. But if we go by the AP, what matters historically, or I would say scholars reference the most, not gemologists.

Minnesota, Ohio state won back to back AP. So the shift may be happening, may be happening. We have two teams. We have a list of five teams to the Big 10 that could probably win a national championship. I'll ask David Pollock about this. But for a night, even in this year with an entirely new setup, the right team won a national championship. won a national championship.

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Yeah, no man. He's the man. Full intensity all the time. David Pollock joins us now. We're going to talk national championship with Ohio State swim. What's up, man? It's good to see it's been a minute. Great to see you, man. You still, I remember our weight room days, man. You still getting them swole sessions in and then looking svelte. Can't be legendary without leg day. It was the best advice she ever gave me. You cannot spell legendary without leg day. Y'all think about that a hundred percent, baby.

Got to get them in. We were at LSU together and we were working out and it was just whatever day was, it was my rotation. I think it was a shoulder or a chest day. And you were like, what are you doing? And I was like, ah, I've got some shoulders. I was like, I'll probably make the most of it today. Cause I'm not going to be here tomorrow.

And you were like doing some kind of step up thing on the bench, weighted step ups. You're like, can't be legendary without leg day. I was like, shit, he's not wrong. I was like, but today's chest. So there's nothing I can do about it. But yeah, a huge leg day yesterday. We were in the, the Rhino belt was going. We were doing lunges, all sorts of stuff. So I'll be feeling it probably more tomorrow. How are you doing with everything? Doing great, man. Doing great. Trying to fight father time as well, man. Loving as we get older, man. You know what? I'm fine with getting older, Ryan. And I'm fine with injuries. And I still play basketball and do all this stuff. But when I get older now, what really pisses me off is when I wake up and I didn't

do anything and something hurts, that really ticks me off. And that's starting to happen a little bit more. So thank God for cold tubs and cryo chambers and the works, whatever we can do. I'm serious. I mean, I don't know that I deserve, because I pick up basketball or movie tie to have a cryo chamber in my house. But if I go another year, maybe without any dependence, it may, it may happen.

I'd be like, you know, at least I don't have to send the cryo chamber to college. So, uh, there you go. All right. Let's, um, let's get into last night's game. Cause I already spent a good chunk of the opening part of the podcast, given my thoughts on it, you know, going in, looking at how Ohio state had played. And I don't think it was disrespectful to Notre Dame.

I don't know how anybody looked at the two teams and thought, Hey, Notre Dame has a chance unless a bunch of weird things happen, which we know can happen in football games. But, um, your thoughts, your expectations versus how it played out. Well, I was thinking about the other day when I was doing my show and I was like, how many Notre Dame players would start for Ohio State? I was doing my show and I was like, how many Notre Dame players would start for Ohio State? And the list was exceptionally short. And you're not getting past a hand at the very most.

I would argue it's probably just two or three. Like I think you got a safety that absolutely could play. I mean, you've got a great running back on Notre Dame side, but you've got two others at Ohio State. Like the talent discrepancy is so great on one side compared to the other so I Expected Ohio State to win. I the first drive got me excited though Ryan that was that that tickled my fancy a little bit I was like dude old school pound the football

Notre Dame had the ball for nine minutes and 45 seconds and Riley Leonard comes to the sideline minutes and 45 seconds. And Riley Leonard comes to the sideline puking because he just carried the ball six times or nine times on the drive. And it was a little place on his helmet was, was busted up to after that first drive. And it wasn't like Lamar Jackson's where he doesn't get hit. Like everyone was a car crash. Like it was stick it in the hole, lower the shoulder. They had four third downs that were all three or less. And it was like perfect script, exactly what Notre Dame needed. And then reality set in where you've got to play it when you get a holding call, when you get a full start

and just trying to stop that offense. And I was just, I was reminded about all the weapons of Ohio State because Riley Leonard did that the first drive basically by himself. And it took, you could see the exhaustion and they talked about him puking on the sidelines and then Ohio State comes out and goes 11 plays with Henderson getting a touch and Buka getting a touch, Howard getting a touch, Jeremiah Smith getting a touch. You know, a Quinshaw, Judkins getting a touch.

And it's just like, Hey, let's just spread this around a little bit. We got a bunch of guys that can beat you. And so I think you kind of knew man after Ohio state just kept scoring on every possession and Notre Dame was just so limited. It was like that gum. This is an uphill fight and, and Notre Dame's just had a huge talent discrepancy. So on that first drive, is that a matter of scripted? Because, you know, I don't know how you're scripting in the fourth down keepers as well.

So I'm sure there's, there's probably more structure to what that first drive is because then for a really long time, Notre Dame looked completely lost. And the thing that I would point out in the beginning that I'll share with you is you talk about an offense stretching the field and making you defend every inch of it, like they're not throwing anything outside the numbers. Nothing was downfield. They had a crosser, I think, to one of the tight ends that Leonard completely air mailed.

So I don't know what that was because obviously there was more structure in that first drive, but did you see defensive adjustments or once it was left to going play by play that for Leonard it was going to be a lot harder. Ohio State definitely started to bring more pressure. They were okay trying to be themselves on that first drive.

Then you see more big bodies. You see them bring more pressure. But here's the thing. I just think Notre Dame thought we can't do this. Riley Leonard can't have 36 carries because he had nine on the first drive. And I think that was more about like, he's going to die. Like he's physically going to be so exhausted and not be able to do this and not be able to throw the football. Cause again, with these running quarterbacks, this, this is why I'm marveled at Cam Newton till the cows come

home. I just, I've never seen anything like it. Run, run, run. And then you've got enough conditioning to sit back there in the pocket and then make a throw when you need to. And Riley Leonard, you could see the exhaustion. So I think it was just more about that, man. They didn't think they could keep that up. I would have, I would have done the same script. I would have tried to run the football again, continuously.

Because the most important thing that happened on that first drive was you shrunk the game. You gave yourself a chance to stay in the game longer. And I think that was important, but you're right. Ohio State wanted Riley Leonard to beat him from the pocket. And I kept writing down the first half, I kept doing tallies with Riley Leonard, and it was three. It was three wide open misses from the pocket

with good protection. And that's the part about Notre Dame, is can he beat you from the pocket? and he couldn't in the first half when he needed to. Now listen, he settled in Ohio State got conservative Ryan Day almost Ryan Day, by the way, that I was I was sitting there going, dude, you made this change. And you made this shift. And you said we're going chips in the middle. We're going aggressive. And you throw the ball five times in the

second half. And I was like, man, this might come back to bite them. It didn't because their defense and their complete team as opposed to years past. But I think Riley Leonard's ability to win in the pocket, even when unprotected, you know, early in the first half is what let the game get out of hand. When you're talking about the talent on how many guys for Notre Dame would start with Ohio State, it's it's a good exercise, right? It's a good exercise. And Jeremiah Love at running back is, I think you can make an argument.

I'd rather have him healthy over either of the Ohio State running backs. He had four carries last night for three yards. That's not why, like Notre Dame wasn't going to solve last night by getting Jeremiah Love the football a lot more. And we know he's been dealing with injury, but it was 11 days off. So you probably thought there was going to be something else there. Is that strictly a, Hey, it's a bad matchup for us. We're not even, even if we, he's such a talented player, maybe you've got to

figure out a way to get the ball out to them, um, in the flat, but it's two catches for five yards in there as well. I think if you're Irish Shane, you'd like to see a little bit more, but you're probably lying to yourself a little bit. If you think that that would have turned the tide of last night's game, because it wouldn't have, but you're right. The dude is a freak and we saw him 11 days ago, jumping on that leg and landing on that leg and making, you know, great

plays. So I think you need to see him more, but here's, here's the bigger issue. They couldn't block them up front. The reason they had success on that first drive is you take that running back and he's a lead blocker and you get the plus one advantage that they had to have. Like they weren't good enough up front to push Notre Dame around without having an extra blocker. Like, and again, yeah, I get so I say, sorry, cause if the quarterback turns and hands it off, the quarterback stands there. But if the, if the running back leads up and blocks, like now you get an extra blocker in the mix

and they needed it because Ohio State's run defense was the best in the country. And you saw it all year long, like goal line stands against North, or against Nebraska, Penn State, Texas, to end the game, you know, in the, in the, in the semifinals game. Like this is what they do. That's who they are. They're really, really good at it. And so I think you just needed those extra numbers, but, but I

was impressed with Notre Dame when they aired it out. Here's the thing. There was only one weakness of Ohio State's defense, one, and that's at corner. Like that was the only spot that I literally said I can make plays here and Ryan like depending on how the refs call the game like they could call a flag every play on those guys. Like a lot of those are assault in several states like what they do out wide they're so handsy and they're they're gonna. Well Ibn Osin's been a disaster all year long. Like all year long. Right I, right. I'm with you. I think he's so bad at times that I would just be like,

Hey, do we make sure we throw it to him every series? Like every resetting in the downs, like let's get one throw in his direction. But go ahead. I jumped you. He's gonna hold. He's absolutely. And some people just don't have the patience

and he's gonna do that. And listen, Burke had his struggles as well. So it wasn't just it wasn't just 110 does as well. And I just think that they exploited the weakness, but it was it was too late in the football game and they had to get three touchdowns and three two point conversions, which you didn't think was going to happen. I what did you think of the nine minutes left field goal down 16 on fourth and goal? Like what did you think of that

one? Well look I'm not an idiot I understand down 16 you need the two scores so it's fourth and nine I thought the throw on second down Leonard completely missed it and he had one on one to the right side of the end zone on third third down, he throws it to great house, but it's at the five yard line and it's incomplete. And he was going to get mauled if he even made the catch. And so then you're saying, okay, here's the math. You need the two scores. Like, why would you kick it and then be down two scores?

I think Freeman looks at his quarterback. He looks at Ohio State's defense in that part of the field where they are just impossible to deal with. Leonard doesn't have, I think the arm to get it in there and he just saw two bad throws previously and he's thinking like, okay, as dumb as this is, the two score versus two score argument,

at least if I kick the field goal and I'm down 13, I don't need, the two touchdowns are hard enough, but I need two touchdowns and then I need two two-point conversions against this fucking defense. So, you know, 9.25 left all the timeouts. They did get two more possessions on it. I think that was a matter of a coach looking at his possibilities.

Going, if I get the three here, at least I don't have to do the two two point conversions on top of what's going to be really hard to even get the other two touchdowns. So as dumb as everybody thought Freeman was, I, whenever that kind of stuff happens, I immediately try to think like, okay, what could he have been thinking about? And I'm pretty sure that's what he was thinking about. And I'm pretty sure that's what he was thinking about you. And they have those cards, right? Like they have the cards that tell you this. And it's a math equation. I mean, it's pretty crazy to look at, actually, when you see them. And the percentages weren't big. Like it wasn't like a gaudy percentage. It was literally like 75 percent.

It wasn't it wasn't a big deal on percentage of winning the football game. But I will say this, Marcus Freeman, I've loved his aggressiveness all throughout the season. Fourth down, I'm going for it. Like, Marcus Freeman, I've loved his aggressiveness all throughout the season. Fourth down, I'm going for it. Like that's who I am. I'm faking punts left and right. I think they faked four or five this season. Like I just didn't like that.

I'm going against that offense that touched the ball four times and all four times they scored touchdowns. I know I got a score. Can I hold them again? And that's where I think like when you want to do all this math equation and stuff like when to go for two, when not, who am I playing? Like, am I outnumbered? Am I outclassed? Is their offense really, really good? Yeah. Have I stopped them? Okay, I'm going to come out next possession and I'm going to have to be really aggressive and play zero coverage. How is that going to work? It worked out not well with Jeremiah Smith.

So I just thought I love Freeman all year long. I love his physicality. I love his mentality. I thought he just kind of played it safe in that moment when it was clear. Like we needed to push the gas to the floor. And yes, we still needed to get a two-point conversion, but we needed a touchdown there. Yeah, I understand. But I think too often we look at the math and the probabilities and we don't look at the matchup in football and whether it's fourth and nine, I guess, Ohio state defense and as much as, you know, I like Evans tight end. I love great house.

I mean, great house had a great run in the playoffs. I mean, he was the only thing. The only thing that, that, you know, I don't know if it's scaring opposing defense, but like you just got to account for him. Um, because on the other side, you're just not even, you're not even thinking about it. Uh, you said something though, that I definitely want to follow up on here is the, is the Ryan day almost Ryan days it, because to start the game, it's a reminder of the toys. It's a reminder of how insane the Michigan game is. Like you can talk rivalry all you want, but like, how, how do you not outscored

that offense with all of these guys? And was that game a reset of like, this is what we're capable of. The Jeremiah Smith touchdown route was just so beautiful. Like just to make you think he's going in motion or coming back or staying in a block. And it's like, all I had to do was go the wrong way. And now I'm wide open. Again, what do you think was going on there? Is that a day called the chip? Is that them? Because then they were trying to run clock, but then they're snapping the ball with too much time left, which is another pet peeve of mine where it's like, are you running clock or are you not

running clock? Because if you're running clock, run clock. And then it's like they almost, the offense gets impatient when they break the huddle and they'll be like, ah, we'll just snap it now because we're bored. So there's a lot that I threw at you there. So give us, give us the big in-depth thing of your thoughts on that kind of momentum loss there. First of all, I've never seen an offense evolve like Ohio State's did. Never. I've never seen an offense evolve late in the season and go, this is what we do schematically, scheme-wise. This is how we block it upfront

to completely shredding that. Like, Ohio State was a team that literally, they were not a gap scheme team, and I'm not gonna nerd out on you too much with this stuff, but they lose their center, they lose their tackle, they're best two linemen. The biggest thing about the scheme that they were running is you run a zone scheme and stuff, but they lose their center, they lose their tackle, they're best two linemen. The biggest thing about the scheme that they were running is you run a zone scheme and stuff,

it takes a lot of communication and a lot of guys that have played together for a long time. You got new guys in there, so it's like, all right, let's just go now to run and counter half the time. Gap down backer, which is what I did with my youth league team.

You're blocking down in the gap or you're blocking a backer. Like it's that simple. You simplify the system. You take Jeremiah Smith who played in the slot almost zero during the season. Now you throw him in the slot and it completely unlocks him because a safety have to cover him, a linebacker,

someone else you get matchups. Now you put him in a book on the same side, you can't double team both of those guys. So the system morphed and changed more than I've ever seen. And for a reason, and they got aggressive and they wanted to throw the football. So that was fun to see. So why do you back off of who you are when when you're throwing the ball over the field? Will Howard, we can talk all we want about weapons like that, dude.

I'm going to be interested to break him down even more when we get closer to the draft, because I'm not sure he's not going to be a higher pick than I ever thought he would. Like 14 to 15 in the first half, but he's been surgical. The ball comes out, he throws outside the numbers really, really well. He throws on the run 14 to 15 in the first half. Like he ran for eight first downs himself. Like just he did a little bit of everything. So He ran for eight first downs himself. Like just, he did a little bit of everything. So I'm kind of unsure of why we started to play conservative. Run Will Howard, which took away the element of counter,

what took away the element of deception. They're not a team that can line up and pound you. That's just not who they are. So they reverted back to a little bit of the stuff that they did, I think when their offense struggled and kind of kept, you know, Notre Dame and they get, now listen, again, nobody thought they were going to get three touchdowns and three two-point conversions. So I kind of understand it.

But when you needed it the most and you got gray outside matched up on Jeremiah Smith, you go, okay, throw it. Like, right, throw, we have the matchups to win. And then they did that. But I tell you what, you mentioned that Jeremiah Smith touchdown. Rossello, I love when people use tendencies against people because we're a defense.

We line up. We know exactly what he's doing. Jeremiah Smith's off the ball. He's about to motion. I know that. Gray's pointing up like, hey, he's motioning across the formation. Okay, how are we gonna play this? Wait, I'm in the red.

I got to chase him. So he starts to chase and run over the top. Jeremiah Smith stops and just walks in. Like you talk about awesome job of using tendencies against someone. Great play calling. And it made it a walk-in easy touchdown for Ohio state to start the game. When you're watching, you know, I've always been a big chip fan. I think it's a new England thing too, on top of everything else.

And when I think about his Oregon run, you go through the entire schedule. There's really not a game on there that he ever lost that he wasn't supposed to law that's supposed to lose bad pronunciation on that. Maybe the Arizona game, right? But there's a really, like when you think about, yeah, there's not really like a bad loss the entire time. The NFL thing doesn't work out. It looks like it works out, then it doesn't work out. And then UCLA, I don't know this, but I imagine he probably, like a lot of head coaches, like got sick of all of the stuff that goes into being a head coach and it's, it becomes less and less about football.

Um, I do wonder because of how much everything kind of influences so many other elements of college football, like, do you watch this run from Ohio state? You're like, okay, well, Chip still is, I don't know if a step ahead is the right way, but because it felt like they were showing people stuff that they hadn't seen before,

but where is he as far as a play card? It's really easy. Hey, they just won a national championship. He's one of the best, but like you understand this stuff better than most of us. What is it about what he did this year or kind of you see like the entire package of what he's trying to do over the course of the game? The Rolodex is stupid. You know I've never been I've never been more impressed like

and had a more fun meeting that I did with Chip like 15 years, shoot probably 12 years ago and I literally sat down and it was like it was three four five I mean it was so many hours and it was literally when he was in the height of his Oregon days and, and he was running the quarterback. I'm like, you can't run the quarterback. Like he's going to get hurt. And he's like, I would argue that a quarterback in the pocket takes hits that his body's not ready to take when he runs, he's actually ready to take those

hits. And I'm like, okay, Chip is a guy that don't tell me I can't do something. Like you got to tell him the why. And I've always respected that about Chip is like, okay, I can do this. And he will push the envelope and do things that other people aren't willing to do. He's going to run his quarterback. And if he gets hit, he's in a running position. I'm not really worried about it. And that's how it should be. And I'm going to take advantage of those things. I'm going to take advantage of tempo. So I just think he has so much offense in his Rolodex.

But again, he just changed it like that. Like, and again, they had three weeks before the first playoff game, but they ran counter like 5% of the time, Ryan. They ran counter in the playoffs 50% of the time. Like you talk about completely switching it, you better know football. You better know exactly what the heck you're getting. So I think the ability to maximize what he has, he's always been good at that.

I love the way he uses tempos to get the screen game. Like he'll go, he'll get a play, he'll use tempo, he'll screen it to his guy. Like the spacing element, the third down QB run game, you saw that with Will Howard, like I'm gonna space you out, I'm gonna use my weapons, I'm gonna run my QB. So I mean, it's just, but how about the humility of Ryan Day to go, hey, Chip Kelly, with that big persona, Ryan, you've known him for years, he's got a huge persona.

Like he's very stubborn, he's very hard headed, he knows what he for years. He's got a huge persona. Like, he's very stubborn. He's very hard headed. He knows what he's doing. He knows how he wants to do it. And you go, okay, will you come on in here? Like, we'll pay you, do your thing. I'm an offensive savant. That's what I do. I'm a top five offensive mining football, but I'm going to bring in Chip Kelly and I'm going to stay out of the way and let him do his thing. Um, Ryan Day did a elite job of hiring Knowles and Kelly. Like I think it's the best one, two punching football as OC and a DC. And, uh, Chip Kelly did his thing, man, at the end of the season, changing in three weeks that, that allowed them to get to where they're at. I don't think it works with Chip unless it's Ryan Day because they go all the

way back or chips his coach in New Hampshire. If you don't have any relationship with Chip and he's supposedly your play caller reporting to you, I think that could be tough. But it also depends on where Chip is at. It also depends where any play caller is. Like let me just do an aside here before we finish on the national championship game.

Ben Johnson gets brought in, right? And he's gonna be the head coach of the Bears. And it feels like this is the move. Whether it works or it doesn't. I will understand if it doesn't work out years from now. I'm not going to go. Hey, he was the wrong call because if you've invested a number one pick in Caleb Williams, you have to give him

the best chance and all these coordinators and the McBae tree and all these guys that were hired and more of them are successful than work. But it made sense because you're trying to figure out a way to maximize the most important position in sports here. But you don't know, it would make sense to me that some guys who are just great at play calling and designing one side of the football are terrible at all the other stuff.

It makes sense that there are dudes that are just really good at this one thing and then suck at the other one, but almost every single head coach is a coordinator at some point. How do you know? Like, I don't know if it's your playing days of like this guy would be great,

this guy would be terrible, but what are the things you look for in coordinators that make you think they have a better chance of being successful as the head guy? It isn't that easy and that's why we see it. Right. Like we see it all the time. Great coordinators. You go, Oh my gosh, what a great hire. And then they absolutely fall on their face because there's so much more to the head guy. Like you are addressing your team consistently. You are setting the standard. You are telling them what this is supposed

to look like. You got to bring energy every day. Not everybody's built like that. Some people love like being in a cave, watching tape and designing what they wanna run and how they wanna run it and set it up. But now you can't just worry about your offense. And I bet you, I guarantee you Ryan, he's gonna call plays. So now you take on the responsibility of calling plays, studying defenses.

He's one of the most innovative guys in all of football. He comes up with creative ways to burn you. You saw that even when they were losing to the commanders and running reverses with a backup quarterback that just, he'll find ways to the stumble play that they ran three or four weeks ago. They're creative, but that also means I've got to detail it. That means I got to watch it. I got to know what I'm going against.

Wait a minute, I got to address the team. I got to set the message for this week. What's our things that we have to make sure we get done this week? So you're just watching out for the offense, the defense. Everything about it now becomes you. Not everybody has that capacity. Not everybody has that energy.

Not everybody has that discipline. And so I think it will be interesting to see the personality because one thing you know about every coach, every team takes on the personality of their coach. One million percent. Dan Campbell and them bite knee caps for a reason, right? Like they play with that because that's who their coach is, that's what he lives, that's what he talks every single day. So can Johnson come in and do the same thing and have that energy and have that

toughness? Because you can tell me scheme, scheme, scheme. You got to tell me more than that. You've got to be my shrink when things are going on. You got to motivate me. You got to bring me up. You got to bring me down when I need to be brought down. And there's just a lot to manage. That's, it's more than call and plays. Where are you on Ryan day? in place. Where are you on Ryan day? I mean a top three coaching football now, right? Like you talk about a night that changes your, your destination. I mean the dudes, the dudes number three, all time in the history of the game of winning coach. You know that right? Number three, the, the, there's another way. Yeah, right. You could do 80 games and he's number two. Yeah. I mean an active, active coach. He's got the highest win percentage, but you know, there's always been something about like day when you're with him and when you're around him like it.

And again, there might be some of this that's media like the media not liking the media and the people that are around the things you have to do. But it just, it feels a little rigid. You know, it feels a little bit different. And when you're relating to kids, like you gotta be able to relate to him. And I don't know that he's the greatest at that, but when you talk about like a mind, a football mind, like he's got all the football stuff. There's no doubt about that. But I think the weird thing about his personality

that I don't necessarily always buy into is, are you demanding it? Are you physical? Are you, it's one thing to talk it. It's another thing to live it and do it. And I think they proved it this year and they got to the mountain top and listen, he's recruiting at an elite level

and he's put his ego aside. He's hired great coaches. So he's a, I mean, he's definitely a top five coach in the sport. He's just got that Michigan thing that I know everybody in Ohio is pissed about, but you're holding a trophy. That's all that really matters. I'll admit in the beginning, I was a little thrown off the way he carried himself.

Cause I was like, this guy kind of stocks and walks around. Like he's got a couple of national championships in his back pocket, you know, like there's like, and I would just ask myself, like, do I not like him? Like, I don't, I didn't know him. I feel like, do I not like him? And then I thought like, hell, you're the head coach of that program, which prior to the big 10 expansion is different because I think the

expectation in Columbus is probably harder to maintain than any other place in the country. I mean, other than the Saban Bama years where it's just expected because that's what he would deliver. But because of the way Ohio state would have an advantage over every team, other than the good Michigan years, the standard there is actually

like perhaps more impossible. So then when I think about kind of the way Derek that day would carry himself, I go, well, what's he supposed to do? You know, like talking to myself a little bit here, like thinking about a monologue going, what's he supposed to do? Be embarrassed. He's the head coach, like act like a doofus, be deferential to everybody all the

time. And then once everybody started turning on him and it reminded me so much of the Harbaugh turn where he was in the mix. It was working out. He was losing the rivalry game and then people lose their minds and people lose their minds in Columbus, I think as much as any fan base in the country. Um, and then you could just see, I mean, Herb street to the verge of tears last night because of the stuff that they had dealt with and what his family had dealt

with, which again, they had already sold us. Um, and I don't mean sell it in a negative way, but they had shared. Maybe I should say it that way. And I talked to Herb Street about this. Like to me, it was very clear. It's Tennessee blowout. They've got time to fill. He's going to tell us this story about what it had been like for day in Columbus

with that fan base leading up to the Tennessee game after the Michigan loss. And that like, it's just a lot. It's just a lot and here we are. He has the numbers. He has the real national championship and yet you just know how that fan base is going to turn on him again, but but you sign up for that. I mean he was there with Urban Meyer like he knew yeah, I'd rather do what they're I'd rather do that than be some place where I can't get a three star. I'm about to say

you're doing it with a with a higher budget than everybody in the country, with a brand. Wide receiver you, good lord, you got four first round draft picks in the last three drafts and you just got the next freak-a-leak. So I think he's doing it with talent. But here's the thing, Ryan, you know what you said? What you said is Ryan Day is a little awkward, which he is. But the most important part, so is Jim Harbaugh, we just talked about him. The most important part, like you can be awkward,

you just gotta be you for me. Like if I'm a player, I gotta know who you are. And if you're awkward and if you're weird, so be it. Be awkward and weird, but don't come in and try to be something that you're not, because I will read through that like nobody else. And I'm not going to follow that. And I'm not going to give you my best.

So I think that's I think you get as we get older, we get more comfortable in our skin as you as you as you're the head coach of Ohio State. You become more comfortable in your skin and you realize, bro, I'm taking bullets. I'm going to take strays whether I like it or not, whether I'm great or not. And you're like, okay, that's a part of it. As a family, you gotta learn, don't read it, bro. Like, don't read it, don't talk about it.

Like, let's just keep this out. And whatever system works for you, if you need to be all social media, if you need to take certain people out of your life, do it. And I think Ryan Day growing into himself, being more comfortable, like, win or lose your way, man. And you can sleep at night, but when you try to be somebody you're not, man,

it's hard to get people to follow you. I'm happy for him, as I said in the open for this, because I think I became more defensive of him knowing that like, hey, look, I know you're losing that Michigan game every year now for straight years, but like this is supposed to- I like the self-monologue you got back. You just, you know, I kind of, I know you're losing that Michigan game every year now for straight years, but like this just- I like the self-monologue you got back.

You just, you know, I kind of like, I don't like, I don't like that. It's a good thing I don't have guests over all that often. All right, last thought here, the shift. Like this was always the thing with the SEC for me is I'm like, you know how many teams deep I can go to where it's like, hey, if this team won a national championship, it wouldn't be met by laughter. Right? So it's Bama, it's Georgia, it's LSU, you go back, it's Florida, you got cam season, which I love that you brought up because I think it's the single best season from a college football player that I've seen in my lifetime of like carrying a team because that was not some

stacked Auburn team. They went into national championship. So the list of teams that you could see like, yeah, that makes sense. Like that team could win a national championship. And with the big 10, it was hard for me to get to five. And now we have back to bed, big 10 winners, Ohio state, Michigan makes sense.

The expansion makes this exercise easier for the big 10 to accomplish because Oregon's played in national championships. Washington played in one last year. They were in a playoff against Bama not that long ago. It's not ancient history and Penn State's a game away. You know, who knows if great house doesn't beat a defensive back that falls down, maybe Penn State's playing for it. So with the Big Ten expansion,

it feels cheating like a little bit, because it's not like, hey, we have to go to Michigan State and Iowa for winning a national championship. But do you feel like the shift that we have evidence that is happening is happening in direction where the SEC is gonna have down years? 100%.

And here's the thing, Ryan, I'm watching last night, there's a lot of SEC guys in that game. Quinshaw Judgekin scores three touchdowns. Like that's Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs is the best player on defense for Ohio State. We are going to continue to have more parody in football that we've had because ain't nobody going to sit on the bench and develop anymore. Like, Hey, cause cause the sales pitch used to be, I put the most guys in the NFL, watch this, come develop. Like, get great coaching.

Now it's like, wait a minute, why would I go here when I can go here and get paid? And everybody's spending money and spreading the talent out, it's gonna continue to happen. I'll still say this, this year, you still got way more competitive teams that can beat you in the SEC. Top to bottom, like, it going to be a tough deal.

Now that the talent's going to continue to spread out, it's going to be really hard to go undefeated in the SEC. One loss in the SEC. You just added A&M in Texas who are not going to go down. With NIL and oil money, that's a different kind of money. They find $10 million in their couch. Like that's a totally different game that they get to play than a lot of other schools in the country.

So I think it's still gonna be the most competitive top to bottom, but no, I think you're seeing the transfer portal, people being able to bid on people. And again, I think it's about getting a couple people. It's not like, I don't think you want to build your, like Ohio State built their team through great recruiting and they developed their kids and they added the quarterback and they added a running back,

but they didn't add the whole team. They added a few pieces here and there that they really needed to take that next step, but it's going to continue to happen. And yeah, I think we have more parity because of it. And no better time than a 12 team playoff, right? Like to spread it out and more teams that can win it, more teams that can

jump in that makes the season more fun. Yeah. It may also just be a factor of like the 12 teams where you're going to have, like, I hated seeing the seating numbers next to the team names last night for the national championship, like I understand what it is, but when you think about what history and how history should be recorded, like 20 years from now, I don't think anybody else is really worried about this stuff,

but seeing an eight seven matchup for the national championship and then trying to explain why that's not really true and why it's also stupid. It's like, man, man, they had some underdogs back in 2025 battling it out. You're like, yeah. We need to fix the seating. The seating, so the bye week and the way that went down was, this is the first year so we can change it.

I mean, if our boy, Dan Lanning can have that rule changed about 12 men on the field in 12 hours, sure as crap, they can change the system, right? Like in this off season and fix it where how about you give the best four teams the buys? I don't need, I have a small brain as it is. I don't need to know like one through 12 gets in, but wait a minute. It's not one through 12. They're seated in a different order. They're ranked in a different order. Like just like give the best teams the buys. Like I love Boise State's season. They're good. Arizona State had a good season. They weren't one of the top four teams. Don't give them a buy. Like that needs to be fixed.

And I think we can fix that pretty quickly. And that would make the experience better along with those numbers next to the names. Yeah. They're already meeting on it. I was reading about it this week or over the weekend, I should say, and I think the vote has to be unanimous to change it, so good luck with all that. By the way, guardrails are coming really quickly though, Ryan, like starting in February, I was talking to Dabo the other day, starting in February, man, like a lot of this stuff

gets cured, like you're going to start to have now contracts with these kids, because they're not student athletes, like get the freak out of here. That's done. Like these are these are pay for play players, like whether you want to call it minor league or not. But having some ability now to say, OK, like here's a contract like you're staying here for X amount, which which is a big deal. Like you only get paid X amount. Like so we'll start to have some of those because these coaches, man, it's a miserable life. Like you're recruiting your own roster while you're recruiting everybody else's and people are recruiting your guys and you can walk in and hold you hostage.

Like there's, there's a lot that needs to change with the game. I love the players getting to, to, to be compensated. They deserve that. Like if you're an art student and you paint a masterpiece and you sell it for $20 million, you get the money. If you write a hit song at 18 in college, you get the money, right? Like they should make the money that they deserve, but we definitely need guardrails and I think that coming in February is a big deal. Okay, your podcast, Where Can People Find It, your YouTube page because I know you're out there in the content

game. Yeah, new world, Ryan. New world. It's been it's been fun, man. David Pollack, college football and dude, it's so cool to just kind of do your own thing. I've seen you do it for years and you've, you've killed it. Like, and it's really fun. Like I get to talk about what I want to talk about. I don't have to talk about agendas. I don't have to talk about crap. If I want to talk about something, I can throw it out there. So it's been really, really fun, you know, this year to start talking college football and whatever angle that I see fit. If I want to nerd out with tape, which I do sometimes I can do it and, and

talk about the game. So it's been, uh, it's been really cool. I'm God. I'll let you try my Wu Tang style. We're doing this with the former athletes. Okay. Um, that music means it is time. We ask about a time in your history, right? And the game is, could you beat up this former teammate?

So let's go back to 2005. Oh boy. You're with Cincinnati. Uh, I have you listed at six to two 55 or two 65 combine was two 65. Is that, is that fair? Yeah. Combine was 265. Is that, is that fair? Yeah. Combine was 265. Yep. You ran a four, seven, five. Do you know how many times you repped out to 25

of the combine? I do not. 25 times. That's weak sauce. I knew you were going to say that, but that's all right. You didn't have your old man strength yet. All right. Let's, let's weak sauce. I knew you were gonna say that, but that's all right. You didn't have your old man strength yet. All right, let's go here. All right, Robert Gathers.

Oh yeah, June Bug, played with him at Georgia, beat him up. I could beat up Gathers, yes. Chad Ocho-Sinko. Oh, come on, dude. That dude's the size of my pen. Yes, like absolutely. but he's been boxing. Was he boxing then? 20 years ago hit me as hard as he wants. He weighs 130 pounds. You think that's going to hurt me, Ryan? I just be like, we just, I look, I just don't want

to do all defensive lineman because we're going to end with Jefferson City. Justin Smith. Oh, Justin was a dude. Now Like Justin was, Justin was, man, he was just built different. Like that, let's put it this way. That's going to be an all-nighter. Like that, that's going to go the distance and it's going to go to a scorecard because he was a tough sucker, man.

What would his answer be? I'm sure he'd like himself. Hey, there is one guy on my team that I would not that I would say I would lose. It's the only guy that I played with. I fought every day at practice, right? Like I was I was over competitive over zealous. Like I just fought a lot, but I played with him in Cincinnati and I played with him at Georgia Odell Thurman. If I Odell Thurman, bro, if I saw Odell Thurman in a back alley, I don't want that smoke. Like

that dude was absolutely nuts. He'd go out on the town, come to practice. You could smell him and he'd be rocking people's faces. And just every chance he'd get, he would ball. Hey, how about this? When I was at Georgia, one of our linemen said, Odie, I'll give you $100. When one of our teammates walks up, if you punch him right in the face, Odie said, $100? He said, yeah. He said, all right, show me the 100.

Show him the 100. Dude comes walking around the corner, his teammate, Odell walks up to him, whack, lays him out, walks over, give me my 100. Like that dude was crazy and built different Wack lays him out walks over. Give me my 100 like That dude was crazy and built different and I did not want that smoke I'm looking at his pro football reference page right now six foot two thirty six

Played in 2005 with you 16 games 15 starts Defensive rookie of the year. Hey He was one of starts defensive rookie of the year hey he was one of the defensive players of the year in the NFL he played one season he played one season he played just the important yes dude he could have he could have been a monster a pro bowler like that that dude was the elite of elite. Merriman won defensive player of the year that year. Your boy, OD came in third, but you're right. I mean, this page is incredible because it's 2005.

He's got the five picks, all these stats in the 2006, not in the league, 2007, not in the league, and then it's just over. So like it actually is listed that there were issues there and he was not in the league, 2007, not in the league, and then it's just over. So like it actually is listed that there were issues there and he was not in the league. I'm afraid of even talking about him right now based on what you're telling us. Marcus Dupree type of deal, man.

If he played, he'd have made $100 million and been one of the best middle linebackers in the NFL, but he couldn't stay out of the drug policy, man. Like no matter what we did, we could not help him at that stage of his life. And it was, it was very frustrating because dude, just player. I mean, at Georgia, I saw it for years

and he had trouble at Georgia too, got kicked out, came back, but man, ball, player, and do not mess with him. All right, noted. If you're in the greater Atlanta area. All right, you're the best. Thank you so much. It was great catching up. And, you know, for those that don't know, David takes an interest in some of the stuff that I'm doing in a way that shocked me in the beginning. So we had a

chance to even catch up. And, you know, I know we're not like best friends or whatever, but when we do get the chance or when I hear from you and you reach out, it absolutely makes my day, dude. So good luck with everything, all right? Well, thank you for having me on, man. And keep writing them scripts, baby. My man's about to do some big things. Big things popping. Thanks, man.

See you, brother. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life Advice, the email address, you know it by now, lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. We are stacked.

There's a lot to get through, but we're not gonna get through all of them today. Couple highlights though, Kyle in the wild, thank you to our man from Australia who was hoping to see Kyle at the Frolic Room. He did not, he had his wife, I think a kid was with him, but then he just happened to, either from a bus tour or across the street through a window.

That was like the big red bus tour. Yeah, that's what it looked like. It was Kyle in the wild, Drake made Jersey on outside, just taking a break from the activities on the inside. It is the best picture of Kyle I've ever seen. You look good there. You do, it's like a white Jersey, long sleeve. I'm like, damn.

But the pure happiness on his face is what really sends me. You're so happy in this picture. That's not even really good resolution. I guess, yeah, you could see a little smirk. It's artsy. I love it. So if you could post that for your followers, your handle again is

TomShady300. Yes it is. I think the red bus tour has to start just going by Frolic Room on a regular basis. They already do. This is the Kyle in the wild more often. They have a they have a drop-off get on spot right there You know pantages. I don't know. Maybe frolics part of the equation why they do that, but probably not So yeah, there's a little there's a little free pub for the big red bus store and for fans of 311 You're gonna post that picture going to post that picture.

We should post that picture. However you guys want to do it. So I just learned it exists this morning. So no, that's what I'm saying. It's so good. It is so good. It has to be posted. And I just love if you've ever wanted to see just joy

with four limbs, this is your chance. The man in his element, you know? Yeah. So what do we got here? We got a college planning follow-up. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I'm a certified financial planner and have some thoughts on the predicament you addressed.

The 529 is after-tax money that grows tax-free. It is used for college, kind of like a Roth IRA, but for college, some states offer a state income tax deduction for contributing that very state by state. In theory, putting some money in the college plan for each kid is a great idea, but it sounded like the 10K wouldn't even cover all the credit card debt. Therefore, they really should pay down the debt with this cash.

You can finance college at a much lower interest rate than credit card debt. If they insist on putting this into the college fund, then a 40-30-30 split seems fair. Yeah. He's the guy that does it for a living. So maybe you'll listen to him, but I think it's. If you're paying 20 plus percent to carry credit card debt, you're basically paying a fee to carry debt on that number. So let's get that one. Privilege of having this debt.

Yeah, yeah. Like what kind of streaming services do you have? I get a couple and then I get this other credit card. I pay 200 bucks a month minimum payment just to keep the balance. It's awesome. I stuff to cancel. I feel so seen.

All right, what else we got? You want to give us a number, Kyle? Let's move on. Let's move on. Kind of a yo-yo with my credit card debt. I feel really proud and it's like, well, have you seen him lately? He looks terrible.

So it just goes up and down. Do you carry a balance or do you try to pay it full every month? Do you carry a balance? Yeah, I already know the answer. I'm sorry. You know what? I don't want to do this guy. Big balance brands.

Call me. BBB. That guy's never seen a balance he's ever been scared of. I'm gonna give a shit. All right. Yeah, yeah, all right. So let's get to a couple emails here. This one's pretty long. Well, all right.

Yeah, we'll do this one. We'll do this one first. This one isn't long and then I'll find a long one because I may not have flagged it. Hi gang, six two 190, no gym stats, but pick up comp is Brad Miller. I think Brad Miller threw a dip in once while he was on the bench.

One of my day one A1 buddies is getting married in March. We were set to go to his bachelor party last weekend to Las Vegas. Oh, so they went, all right. Golf, gambling, partying, the whole nine or 18. Nice golf jokes. We're all around 30 years old. About 15 of us are attending flying in from different parts of the country. As we get to the San Diego airport, where about half of us are flying out of the bachelor announces to the group that he's gone sober and is attending AA. He said, it's been a few weeks and you can tell he's been in the

business for a while, but he's been in the business for a while the group that he's gone sober and is attending AA. He said, it's been a few weeks and you can tell he wasn't totally stoked on this idea, but he tried to keep the vibes high for the trip. This is a drinking crew. So we all started with the airport beers, getting stoked for the Vegas trip. He kind of quietly announced this sobriety to

everyone and just stood around while we all got started. For context, the bachelor well Scott is getting a little too specific man. All right, he has a job and he owns a place that he lives in with his fiance. He likes to enjoy beers with the fellas in a theme party here and there but isn't boozing every day or losing life and limb from blacking out. The request definitely came from his fiance. I've known the guy for 10 plus years. I've been drinking with him and I can honestly say he doesn't have a severe drinking problem, all caps at all.

If he has a drinking problem that requires AA, then everyone on the trip and half of America should also be in AA. The vibe of the rest of the guys and the trip was pretty perturbed, not entirely because of sobriety, but the fact he waited until we get to the airport to tell us about it, some guys said they would not have come on the trip if they knew this because the trip became pretty expensive by the end The fact that the leader of the trip was sober kind of put a weird tone on the whole trip and cap the amount of fun We could have my question is should I say something about why he shouldn't be in a

Why couldn't he wait until after the bachelor party to start if it was that big of a deal? How holds this guy again Said they're all around 30. That makes sense. Is there something I should say to the fiance would say that most, if not all the group hasn't been very fond of his fiance since the beginning, they met and started dating about a month or two after his previous fiance died. Oh man. We'll shut up and listen. Sorry for the long email. This one wasn't really that

long. Like I think this one is about perspective and age and I can certainly understand being in this mindset. As I'm older, I'm not going to, there's going to be some people that hate your email, man. Just a heads up. I think whenever it comes to something like this, are you sure? Do, do you know? Like, do you socially drink with him and you're like, Hey, I don't see what the big deal is and could you maybe not have all the information, right? Yeah. Maybe he hasn't come home surly to you at night. Right.

I mean, maybe it's like he uses all his grace when it's out with the fellas. And then, uh, you know. Yeah. Cause a lot of these stories of somebody that feels like they need to make a change and then need help to make that change. You know, then when they open up to you, you're like, Jesus Christ, really dude? Like, you know, right. And feel terrible for the person.

Right. So there's a chance you have no idea what you're talking about. So I think the first thing I would say is it's not your place to go to him to tell him what he needs or not to do. Like, sure, sure. Possibly the fiance standard of what is bad or what isn't. Well, certainly it's below your standard. It's below your friend's standard, but your buddy's marrying that person.

You know, he's not marrying you. So I would really emphasize a sitting this one out. Um, unless you could talk to them in a way where it's like, Hey, what, just let him go, let him take the lead. What led to this decision? Like what, you know, is there any other part of it? Like if you're that close with him, hear, hear how he feels about it. Instead of you just going based on your information.

You're doing a lot of guessing. Yeah. For this, a lot of guessing. Or immediately blaming her and being like, hey, what did she do? Dude, I knew I never liked her and this is a bridge too far. Yeah, right.

Yeah. I think the other part is that, I think because you guys are so young, you are being incredibly selfish. And I know the deal of is that I think because you guys are so young, you are being incredibly selfish. And I know the deal of like, what dude? You know, like there was a guy that went and got help that when we were younger, we were like, what the fuck? Like you're not even like seventh worse.

You know what I mean? And it's about what that person can or cannot handle. It's not about the ranking of his dependency among your circle of friends. You know, that's, that's his own decision to make and how he feels about himself and the path that his life is on. It's, it's not up to you. And the fact that it fucked up the vibes, man, like I think your group, when you get a little bit older, you'll regret how selfish you guys were about this weekend.

And I really like it's whatever you think about what he should or shouldn't be doing for him to have made the decision to commit to something like this and make this kind of life changing decision. You guys at the airport, you know, he's probably a little sick about that too. Yeah. Do you, you're, you're not exactly, Kyle, you're not even thinking about all the anxiety that he has leading up to that moment,

I have to tell you. Like I remember a good friend and I'd reach out and he would blow me off and I couldn't figure it out. I had no idea how bad his drinking was. And then years and years later, like he came up to me apologizing, being like, you know, I really love you and I love hanging out. But like at that time, I just couldn't be around anyone. And at this point, like I would be in a sales call or sales trip, I should say.

And he's like, and I would just drink a case of beer in my hotel room by myself. He's like, and I would have a blast. But it was like, I couldn't wait to go on these sales trips. And then that was the thing I was doing. He's like, it's, it's like, and I would have a blast. But it was like, I couldn't wait to go on these sales trips. And then that was the thing I was doing. He's like, it's, it's fucking really depressing. And then you tell, you know, somebody you care about tells you something like that.

And you're like, Jesus. And again, you're making the assumption because you're thinking like, I had no idea that that's what level it was at with you. And I would never ever feel bad. And again, that's about being a little bit older. So it's like, dude, you didn't even puke in front of me ever.

What are you talking about? Yeah, right. So, you know, if I'm in my 20s and it's a close friend, like I understand your mindset, but I can only tell you as you age. And I think you just start to have a better appreciation for your friendships and you're probably more forgiving and you're, you know, the problems that you have when you're older. I think the cool thing about being older is that there's just less shit that you're like, well, I'm not worrying about that because like I have real problems. I got to worry about who's taking care of my parents. I got to worry, you know what I mean? Like they're really impactful life problems that can be heavier, but you're just not going to get caught up in a lot of the minutiae day-to-day bullshit that maybe you're caught up with when you're a lot younger. So look,

I'm not beating up on the email or here. I'm just saying like, I think you guys were pretty selfish to be pretty pissed off at this guy. Um, even if you think, you know, it's not really, by the way, I shouldn't even say it that way. It's not up to you to decide what he should or shouldn't be doing based on the help that he needs because of your friendship with him. Maybe you're right.

Maybe this is a massive overreaction. Maybe the fiance's just hammered the guy. Maybe that's the conversation you have with this dude. Or for you guys to be sitting around being like, well, the trip is gonna suck for us. It's really, it's selfish. And you're not even thinking about that lead up as Kyle had hinted at of your buddy dreading that moment of telling you guys

this on the way to Vegas. And if he had told you earlier, half of you guys would have canceled, well, that would have cheered him up. I mean, think about him for a second here. Yeah, I mean- That was a long answer, sorry Kyle. The other thing about like a bachelor party,

and I don't know, maybe this is different for women. I didn't feel like the star of my bachelor party for more than like, I don't know, 5% of the time. It was like a lot of these guys, they got together, they took time off of work and they spent a bunch of money to get down to Ocean City and all that stuff. It really wasn't like, I wasn't the main focus more than like a very small percentage of each day

and there was like two days. So it wasn't like, he didn't ask you like, hey man, for my surprise it'd be really nice if we could just not have any booze in the house or anything like that. They didn't say that you were just having an issue with him standing while you guys were all deciding what shots you were gonna take.

And there was an age when I think I wouldn't have dealt with this information very well either. But I mean, maybe what you could have done is be like, all right, we'll see if this airport Chili's bar has a fucking Guinness 0.0. Instead of being like, well, this sucks now, you'd be like, all right, how do we get him involved? It's not like he asked you not to drink. He's not like, hey, just so you know for the wedding, no wine, no beer.

He didn't do any of that stuff. You just have it in your head that Mike's not having as much fun as I thought he would have. But again, bachelor parties aren't just for Mike. It's about the whole group. So I think it's good that you didn't say anything, especially if you're part of that trip, you're probably a part of that wedding. And if one of his guys is against him talking about, dude, look what she's doing to you.

It's good that you kept that stuff inside. These are all just feelings you're talking about. You didn't have a group meeting, survivor style, talking about how this is all fucked up at the trip, but yeah, I think this stuff comes with age. The other thing too is there's kind of a weird balance of how much do you bring it up on the trip, and obviously the trip already happened,

so I'm not giving you advice for this, but do we talk to him about it? Does he wanna not talk about it? At some point, you said you're a day one friend like this is your guy like you should find out what's up and you know don't be accusatory don't bring up that you think this is the Beyonce situation but just like hey what's going on with you like I didn't know what was going on like fill me in because I will say like I have you know I've got a

group high school guys that grow all close group chat is, and every single day we talk all the time. But like there are times when I'll find out like sensitive things through our wives, or my wife, like Maddie will find out something because somebody else told him, and I'm like, I had no idea he was going through that. That's kind of nuts. That happens like way too often.

Like dudes I think are just bad at sharing feelings like that. So the, just to reiterate, but you, it's very, very easy that he would have just been hiding this from you guys or you wouldn't have seen this side of him. So just automatically be like, oh, she's doing this or this is like a thing that he doesn't want to do. That's a slippery slope, man. I think you got to support your friend and just, you know, I would talk to him about it and let him talk to you as much as he wants to talk to you

about it and let him talk to you as much as he wants to talk to you about it. Yeah, nothing else to add to that one. All right. Next email. This one is the long one, I think. Um, but we'll, we'll go with it. Sometimes you guys write in ones and they'll be like, sorry, this is long. And like, that's not long. It seems like some of them are just, yeah, sorry in advance. It's always like, oh, it's the guys

that aren't thinking about it. Those are the ones that tend to be lost. The less self-aware ones that write these books. And there's just some that you'll read and you'll go, this is just too long, it's too long. All right, anyway. Hey Ryan, Kenneth Gari-Voice. Oh, there you go.

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Rizzolo days all the way back to outer rotation shirt day, pulse the nation, no shirt for the guy who called in asking a question about Stephen Curry. Instead of Steph Curry, I've always seen a little of myself in you as far as life path outlook on things, love of sports. Whoa. as far as life path, outlook on things, love of sports. Whoa.

So you're extremely confident, but also self-deprecating. Really value the feedback you give during life advice segment, and we'd truly appreciate some here. My story is as follows. I'm 36 years old, live and work in the same large city in Indiana that I was born and raised in. I'm single, never been married, don't have children, been 36. I've struggled with depression at times in my life, often feeling that I am accomplishing just the average amount of daily success and eking out the most

average Midwest lifestyle that you were picturing in your head. In September of 23, I was going through a particularly unsettling time in my mental health, went through a stroke of chance. I ended up reconnecting with a high school sweetheart who had ended up moving back in our hometown. Let's call her Laura. Laura, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. particularly unsettling time in my mental health. Went through a stroke of chance. I ended up reconnecting with a high school sweetheart who had ended up moving back in our hometown. Let's call her Laura.

Laura is legitimate knockout, tall, blonde, just absolutely gorgeous on paper. I feel like she's out of my league. Typical SEC couple, as the kids say. Laura had a child in 2019 where she was living at the time with a man she was casually seeing. Then tried to turn that into a relationship, which ultimately failed, feeling alone. And the single mom life settling in, she moved back here because her family

is ultimately in line to take over a family business. The father of the child, let's call him Derek, also decided to move here knowingly, or knowing absolutely no one except Laura and his son that they share together. They do not live together, but he's around like a lot. Laura and I began texting regularly, progressing into the natural meetup for dinner and drinks. We began dating soon after. It was extremely intense.

We fasted first. At that point, I was at in life with the clock ticking. I felt like I'd finally remet the person I was supposed to meet. I can admit now with more clarity that there were some incompatibilities from the get-go, such as family wealth dynamics, her disinterest in sports, her love of skiing and skydiving while I'm mostly happy with a bottle of bourbon pizza and an NFL red zone on my TV on a Sunday.

But the attraction and the way she made me feel loved and valued and that I was saving her as the person she had always wanted but didn't know she needed trumped all of the early red flags. How about that? That's like a Netflix special. The person I always wanted but didn't know I needed. Fast forward to February of 24. Here we go. Buckle up boys. As I was ready to progress to the next step in our relationship as far as making sure we're on the same page, being exclusive to each other, each other only. Uh, wait.

So if you guys started hanging out in September 23, oh yeah, it's only a few months there. Yeah. All right. We're good. We're good. Um, cause I would have thought I've been like, so you hung out for a year and then you're like, all right, what are we? Here's the deal. Right? No, but this makes sense. Especially if you're going dinner, drinks, text, the whole thing. Like it's probably a quick turnaround on this one in February you're like, all right, what are we? Here's the deal. Right. No, but this makes sense, especially if you're going dinner, drinks, text, the whole thing. Like it's probably a quick turnaround on this one in

the February 24th is like, what's the deal? This of course meant the boundaries would have to be put in place in a relationship with Derek and how freely he comes and goes from her house as he wishes, acts as if they are together when he feels like it. He's very possessive over her, including at one point forcing his way into her home in the middle of the night as her and I were falling asleep on the couch downstairs. That's a tough scene.

From all accounts, he's a good dad, also treats her incredibly poorly, yet my gut tells me there's still something there between them. As any times I had concerns about his unchecked access to her, I always met with, quote, it's best for the child. Hard to push back on that, but there's 100 hundred percent of difference between co-parenting and Derek trying to be with her at all costs. When it got to the point of me being clear and blunt about my expectations of not only her and I

going forward, but also Derek, she began to withdraw from me almost immediately going from being in touch all day, every day and spending as much time as possible together to days to respond to a text. That's the first sign, boys and girls. Yeah. I mean, it's, that's pretty much all the information that you need.

If somebody's just not going to respond to you, that's kind of it. Uh, and forgoing plans to see each other, ultimately leading to completely ghosting me by March of 24, without much as an explanation, I pursued hard, not understanding what had happened, which led to withdraw even more to the point where I just gave it completely left to my own thoughts and what happened. And honestly heartbroken months later, she reached out and text. She claimed she was supposed to be a good friend. hard, not understanding what had happened, which led to a withdrawal even more to the point where I just gave up completely, left to my own thoughts on what happened and honestly heartbroken. Months later, she reached out and text she claimed she was supposed to be sent to her

mother and not me, in which she was telling her mother that she'd come home in a few hours after spending the night with a different ex in Chicago the night before. When I called her out on the text being for the wrong guy, she immediately followed up with a text with a long apology to me about how she handled things at the end of the relationship and how I shouldn't have been so concerned about how things were being handled with Derek since, see, the door is closed

and so I was obviously at Drew's place as if that was supposed to make me feel better. That is perhaps one of the shittiest ways you could ever explain that. Like, hey, I wasn't even with my ex-husband because I was with that dude in Chicago. Don't you get it? Oh, now I feel better.

Back to the email, a line about you were the only man who's ever stuck with me and loved me when I didn't deserve it. Really struck a chord with me and made it a hundred times harder to let go. She's just completely mind fucking you, buddy. Yeah, so I know that's like a really good line and she should write for succession season four,

but she's just totally fucking with your head because she gets to without any recourse. We still get a few more lines here. I ignored her, however, on that particular instance, random little text between the votes that was followed with months of silence in between, ultimately leading nowhere. We haven't spoken in months.

When she reached out this past weekend, this is a picture of a game she was at since it was my team. Uh, I guess he played there to tell me you're so right about this place. It is awesome. Drew is also a graduate from the same school and based on the seats they had, that's a hundred percent who she was there with. I have not responded to her attempt, in my opinion, to get a reaction out of me.

Nice. Like the text that was supposed to go to her mother, but has resurfaced the feelings I had for her, anger combined with some stupid reasons still wanting her after all of this above and writing it down. I know how obvious it is that I need to completely let her go, but the deepest part of my heart, for whatever reason, I still hope that the woman I met

was there for the first few months, that she's capable of it the best way possible. Any concrete advice from you guys. And the best way to proceed from here would be welcome. I know that, I know what she's caused me to feel, but I can't get rid of that last little bit of what if when it comes to Laura and I just don't know why. Thanks for everything.

All right. You already know the answer, buddy. Success is the best revenge and just relish in the moment the next time she reaches out and you've got nothing for her. And it's still, you'll still get the thing of like, she really likes me, man. You'll say it's like, we, I think we did this last episode. It's nice to be liked. That's the best.

That's the best. When they come back and you're like, no, it's still still like a thumbs up reaction to the text or, or not something to let you know, you saw it. Um, that's going to be really cool. That's going to, that's going to feel great. Um, but yeah, this is too, there's too much fuckery going on here. And I was originally gonna be like, this is why, some guys are super into dating a woman with a kid,

a connection to another man who comes and goes, but then it just got so much worse. That's not what it is. He's not even the problem. Yeah, he's not even the problem. So yeah, this is just- You're not even with that guy anymore. Yeah.

What, he's stupid? Yeah, because he's pretty stupid. Yeah, I know, you dummy. Yeah, it's just gonna be great when she reaches out again. So just look forward to that. Yeah, I mean, this just goes back to, remember what was the email that we had on Monday about the 37-year-old guy who was like dating, who was just crushing it and you didn't wanna like be honest.

And this is like- Boy band ass. Yeah, this is kind of the opposite of that. Like she's, she doesn't really want, she wants to kind of keep is kind of the opposite that like she's she doesn't really want She wants to kind of keep you on the string to keep you but she doesn't really want to date you and that sucks Man like a guy or girl like I just I just don't like that And especially when you're you know, this guy what he says 36 so he's in the same age range Like somebody's doing that to you that blows so

Yeah, all the red flags are there like, you know the answer answer, as you guys said. You know how this has to end. It just sucks, because you probably had a couple good months. She's cute, and you got attached, but it just sounds like that. Like, you know, even if things were to work out, and she comes back to you and says, oh yeah, I know, everything's great. Like, you're the one I want to be with.

Like, I just don't know that I would ever trust that, ever. I think you just gotta go cold turkey, and as Kyle said, just enjoy the winds. Clearly she still thinks about you. So at least you have that kind of over her. Yeah, it started at like a Hallmark movie where like a hotshot beautiful lawyer comes back to the town.

You know, it's like, yeah, you know, I'm just getting my mom figured out. She's got stuff going on. And then it turns into like succession. It's like Shiv just ruining Tom's life. So sorry about that, man. Yeah, the hottest girl on your resume is a bit like the best vacation. You know, because you just you're thinking like, is

this possible? Like, am I this guy? You know, you're walking around Sanctua Pay being like, can I do this? I know this isn't bocce, but this is my life. Like, can I get a set? Like, can I do this? I know this isn't bocce, but this is my life. Can I get a set? Like, and then you go on Zillow and you're like, that's, I think it's a one bedroom is that what is that a shed? And then you're like, I don't even know what customs would be. Like, could I ship my stuff here?

It's like, do I need to learn the language? And the ultimate answer is like, you probably can't just pack up and move to Sanctua Pay like it was a nice vacation. You really enjoyed yourself. It's an experience you're never going to forget, but it's probably not who you are. And I'm not saying this to the email or like you're never going to get somebody above your pay grade again, but the hottest woman on your resume is always tough.

I've got one friend that emails about this one for fucking years. Like it just, he never stopped springing up and you're like, yeah, dude, she was really hot, man. Awesome story. Heard it 700 times. But it's because he just, he probably still can't believe it deep down. So that's part of the dilemma with all of this. And again, you already know that because you explained it all. But what you are dealing with here is a massive narcissist, okay? Somebody that is totally comfortable fucking with

you for whatever she needs in that moment. And when she came home with a disruption to her own life and disruption again, in a way that makes sense, like, okay, I didn't have a kid. Now I have a kid. Now I have responsibility that I've never had before, but because I'm in a co-parent here, the ex is going gonna be around,

who knows what's going on there, who knows? We probably do know. Maybe Derek wasn't even the bad guy in the situation. Maybe Derek was. Maybe you and Derek hang out. You found a friend. Yeah, you're not even the special guy that she fucks with sometimes because he's nice.

You're probably one of a roster. Yeah, right, if you feel bad enough already. She's just got this thing for me if she ever gets it. It's like, no dude, there's several So yeah, right. If you feel bad, she's just got this thing for me. If she ever gets to, it's like, no dude, there's, there's several of you. Probably she came home and you were safe and she picked it right up and you were unfortunately like, she looked at you as like, okay, this is what I, this is what I need. And now this guy with the great seats with a little bit more coin is what she

thinks she deserves now. So, um, I think what you probably need to do is a bit of a Johnny torch here and just go next time you reach out, be like, hey, fuck off. I don't need this. Just it is going to feel so good. It's going to feel so good. And I think it's exactly what you need. And it's a little harsh, but I think based on the email that you sent us, probably deserving of that one. I mean, the fact that she'd be like, Hey,

just because I sent you the wrong texts, as with this guy last night, but it's a different guy proves all of your concerns about my ex are wrong. Like that's some unbelievable wizardry going on right there. So yeah, I think you're going to feel really good. Even if you, you know, that's the crazy thing is dude is if you actually did that, she probably wants you back for a little while. So, you know, there you go. You can always go to Sanctupe twice. That'll do it for us. So Rudy, we're gone. Kyle, thanks for listening to the podcast, a special edition on Tuesday. We'll be back on Friday, but we have a children's only edition on Wednesday. What does that mean?

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