The Ryen Russillo Podcast - PGA Tour Stories and Life Advice With Max Homa 

Episode Date: May 21, 2020

Russillo shares some thoughts on moving houses, Dak Prescott’s contract negotiations, and takeaways from ‘The Last Dance’ (1:40). Then pro golfer Max Homa joins to discuss his 2019 PGA Tour win at the Wells Fargo Championship, the spectrum of golf course vibes, losing and regaining his PGA Tour card, overthinking on the course, people lying about their drive distance, PGA Tour stories, and more (11:44) before they answer some listener-submitted questions (1:02:50). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

today's episode of the ryan rusello podcast on the ringer podcast network is brought to you by state farm just like sports the game of life is unpredictable talk to a state farm agent and get a teammate who can help you navigate the unexpected i I don't know where I saw it, but I saw somebody saying, I wasn't a huge baseball guy, but now watching the Korean Baseball League, I'm really into it. That was unpredictable. I did not expect somebody who lived in the States, let's say somebody in their 30s or 40s, would just ignore baseball. And then because of the quarantine, there's nothing.

I was like, you know what? This whole nine innings thing, this is fun. Like, wait a minute. A double play? What is it? Oh, you get both guys out? That's incredible. Oh, when he hits it over that, then it's a run?

Even more if other people are on base safely? This is incredible stuff. How hard does he throw it? 95? That's like way beyond the speed limit. So I didn't expect to see an American sports fan who somehow came across my feed say Korean baseball

has turned them into a baseball fan. But you know what? Shout out to the Korean baseball. Is it the KBO, Kyle? Can we get research on that? I think it might be. Oh, I thought there was an L in there. Jeez.

Do we know? All right, I'm going to do it. You know what we do? We're going to do this for State Farm. Get a teammate who can help you navigate the unexpected. Talk to a State Farm agent today. It is KBO. Yeah, that's what I thought. Trying to stay on top of these things. Trying to stay locked into the news.

A couple things going on. Your boy is moving. I'm in the middle of move week. Not complaining. You know why because i just i'm not going to but i already know i'm staring down a washer dryer install tomorrow that is not going to go well but i'm going to try something different i'm going to try something different because this first place i moved into out here when we had to do the dryer washer install washer drives usually how most people say it as soon as the guys saw the staircase they're like oh yeah you don't have the right hose and then we like the first four guys

did that to me and then i had to call again and go hey you know i get it like it is a staircase though and i don't think i have the worst one in the state of california it's just up and then another little couple steps it's fine like people have moved other stuff up there and that's kind of what happens is these guys are farmed out they have a bunch on the list and the quicker that list is over installed or not the quicker they get to move on because then somebody else will be assigned so odd enough in this other place and i can kind of tell right away with my gc son background the son of a gc is that washer dryer hookup does not look right. And it isn't. And so there's some issues.

There's also code stuff you got to worry about. Are you going to get a real code stickler? Are you going to get somebody who's like, ah, you know, it's a vent pipe. Just make sure you run something through there every six months to a year. You know, I think you should have your walls, exterior walls on a 16 inch center. You know, I think that should have your walls, exterior walls on a 16-inch center. I think that there are code things.

There's a reason there's code. Balcony codes, let's get those up to date. Everywhere is what I say. You can make that a shirt if you want. I know that Kyle just heard the phone call come in. It's like, hey, just confirming your six-hour window tomorrow on the install. Again, not complaining because it's a little different than back in the day, early Ryguy days where the mover was this guy and the flatbed pickup truck,

the rusted out Toyota bed pickup truck. Never quite understood what Toyota did, what they were making those beds out of. I think they were making them out of tinfoil in the mid to late 80s because everybody who's ever had a Toyota pickup from that time, you'd be like, yep, yours is rusted out now too. Not the case now though. Toyota's upgraded the material, I believe, because you just don't notice it all the time. So that's my Toyota rant, but I just know what's going to happen. And I think I'm going to try something else with these guys. I'm going to go, hey, a lot of people say this can't be done. I am not one of those people. I think we can get this done.

Are you guys up for this challenge? So, you know, if it's a code thing, there's nothing I can really do about that. Last thing I need is TMZ Sports saying Rosillo installed a dryer with too many bends in the vent. I don't need that kind of pr hit right now uh but we're gonna see we're gonna see because so far a lot of the appointments haven't gone well like i think one of the moving guys from a furniture delivery place i think he quit while they were doing mine because the other guy was freaking out he's in a panic i'm not gonna name the supplier i'm a fan of their stuff, but I've had some bad, bad deals with them.

And the guy kind of looked and he's like, hey, this dresser's really heavy. I'm like, yeah, furniture's heavy, man. Job sucks. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I ordered furniture. And then he was at the end. He's like, I've had it with this, man. He goes, this is it.

That's it. I'm done. I was like, how long have you been on the job? He's like, three days. I go, so you're not super invested in this right now. I got it. I'm done. I was like, how long have you been on the job? He's like, three days. I go, so you're not super invested in this right now. I got it. So that's where we're at. A couple of things that I want to do rapid fire. Those of you that listened, I appreciate it. Going back to last fall, Dak Prescott, we told you on the podcast, I'd said, hey, I'd heard he turned down 35 million a year, four years, about $140 million, about $100 million in guarantees. I couldn't know for certain with

the guarantee language is a little bit different. It finally came out like it's official, official. And I don't, this isn't me doing, oh, I had this. It's me saying now that it's out, out. And then we learned that Dak maybe is asking for $45 million. Can we stop with some of these cowboy storylines that have been out there? Because they were all wrong. You realize that they were all wrong the whole time. Because first of all, Dak can ask for whatever he wants, more power to him.

I've said the entire time when I did that massive NBA NFL cap breakdown thing, which again, there's so much uncertainty about what caps are even going to be because we don't know what the revenue is. But here's what my one guess would be. TV deals, even post-quarantine, factoring in whatever sort of loss that

leagues could have we still don't even know what the hell football is going to be which version of it we could have here um tv rights are still going to go up so that means the cap is going to go up and that means quarterbacks are going to make even more money annually so if dac is trying to factor in all these things where there's a report that he's asking 45 million a year if you know if it's true or not but i knew that he had turned this down last fall and now everybody's finally picked up on it so whether were things like oh they'd sign alden smith but they can't sign dac look this is the only organization left that would have given ezekiel elliott that contract zeke knew it his agent knew it and you know because everything seems to have to be about race or a forced issue

of could it be about race it's like wait a minute so the cowboys gave zeke that then they became a racist organization that don't want to pay the black quarterback like no dax asking for a ton they've offered a good contract he probably would get more than the 35 million so he can turn that down but this isn't really about the Cowboys screwing over their franchise quarterback. It's about their franchise quarterback wanting to set a new precedent for new deals with new money coming in. And that's fine, and I'm all for it. What I've never been all for is people thinking that they have some vendetta against Dak or doing these for a bunch of different reasons that just aren't true.

Rapid fire takes here. Post Jordan doc, Horace Grant is livid. I think there's some accuracy in some of these anti Jordan things. After the fact, it's like, okay, he picked on certain guys,

but it does make it out to be that he treated everybody poorly and had all this power over these guys. And nobody ever questioned him on that there was a really interesting robert parish anecdote that had come from a story i think jack mcmullen had and a lot of this stuff is flying around where jordan said something like i'm gonna kick your ass and parish took a step towards him and said no you're not and he'd said after that jordan never mess with him again i mean there are certain players as much as i love kevin garnettarnett doesn't go at everybody.

I mean, he's tough. He's a competitor. But there are certain dudes Garnett will go at, and there's other dudes he just won't mess with. And that's okay to think. I didn't watch the Jordan doc as much as I liked it. Ended up loving his personality. It didn't mean that I was all in and believe every single thing. But Rachel Nichols had tweeted that Scottie Pippen was really upset with the aftermath of this.

I don't know what Scottie could be that upset about. And this is why in the moment when I was younger as a basketball fan, I wasn't always the big Scottie Pippen guy. I probably appreciate him more a little bit. But some of the stuff was either like, wait a minute, you guys really think he's this good? Like if 10 years Scottie Pippen were the number number one on a team do you think that team would be competing for championships because i don't i don't think he is that i think he's really good i don't think he's at that level and when you run back the litany of things that pippen was criticized for he's the one that signed the bad contract and yes i know his family was really

poor i mean they were so poor that they had a pippen jersey framed at home and it was like the cheap one and still had a tag on it in the frame you can see that in the very beginning of the documentary so he resented signing a bad deal and it could happen but you're still the one that signs it so you have to get over it quicker than just having a bad deal be the only option that you can have you know in basketball it's a little tougher because that's the only job that you're going to have where most of us can say no to something and then maybe move on but i remember early early stuff with ESPN. I didn't really have a choice because I felt like, all right, I want to be at ESPN forever. So I'm going to have to have something not be great initially, and then I'll

be better off later on. And that's kind of what happened. So with Pippen being mad about the contract, again, you did it. You're the one that said you weren't going back into the game against the Knicks in 94. And he even says in the documentary, if I could have done it again, I wouldn't have done it any differently. So, you know, that's not a good thing. I know in the Rodman thing and everybody is all over Bill and I for our Rodman is boring stuff. I would express again, please go check out his MTV show that was canceled.

And you tell me how fun of a watch that is. But Rodman, who leaves to go wrestle during the nba finals i don't know that in 2020 guys would be like god what a cut up that's so funny how little he cares about the rest of his teammates this guy's hysterical like it's funny now because they won it was over 20 years ago and there is something so odd about rodman that's now embraced because it isn't day-to-day but it wasn't like that back then the day-to-day people were sick of it the team was sick of it he was coming off the bench they knew they weren't going to bring him back and that's why it flamed out with the lakers thing

at the point so with pippen i don't think it's ever cool to do stuff that hurts the rest of the team i just don't now we could talk about free do stuff that hurts the rest of the team. I just don't. Now we could talk about free agency, some of these bigger picture things, but in the moment, like, Hey, what's the best way to have us be ready to compete? Well, being there for your teammates and Pippen didn't do that and said he wouldn't change his mind. And then ultimately the surgery, when he says, I don't want to fuck up my summer. That's what Pippen said. So if he doesn't like some of the stuff that people have said about him after that, I mean, I don't know, man, all those things happen and you weren't super remorseful him after that. I mean, I don't know, man. All those things happen.

And you weren't super remorseful. And I'll tell you, I liked Pippen more and respect him more because of that game six in 98 and watching this documentary again. I like him more now than I did before the doc. But in the moment, that's how I felt about him. And I think all those justifications were accurate then. And they're accurate now. I have some other stuff that I'm working on, workshopping here, and we're trying to put together another lineup for more recruiting stories, part three.

But I am really excited to talk to Max Homa, pro golfer, great on Twitter, at MaxHoma23, and we're going to spend an hour with him, do five questions, and also some of your life advice stuff, but with a pro golfer. I'm excited to do something a little different here from the PGA Tour. I want to hear his whole story, hour with him, do five questions, and also some of your life advice stuff, but with a pro golfer.

I'm excited to do something a little different here from the PGA Tour. I want to hear his whole story, and we're going to have some fun with him at the end as well. It's Max Homa, who is in Scottsdale right now. He's an LA guy, though. Are you considered an LA guy, being where you're from? Yeah, LA County. Valencia is LA County, and I was born in Burbank, which is just like the heart of LA. So I'm taking, I'm taking all the LA roots roots with me. Yeah. Right. I mean, I'm still figuring out a little bit here. I was, I was researching you here, so I wanted to make sure

I had it right. But yeah, uh, the, the inland thing, like I tell everybody that doesn't understand LA and I'm not saying that I do, but I've been there long enough is that anybody that dumps on it, I'm like, if you just found your neighborhood, you'd find a deal that you would like. There's a neighborhood, there's a vibe, there's something for literally every single person that would be like, oh, okay, well, if I'm an hour inland, because I like space and I like all these things, but I'm still only an hour away from these unbelievable beaches, you might like that. I personally am a water guy. So that's where I'm down in Manhattan beach. So thanks man. I appreciate this. Manhattan beach is the best. So that's where, if you had, if you had to pick anywhere, I think Manhattan beach is the best spot, but yeah, there is every, anything for everyone.

Uh, everyone who always told me like, how do you live in California? I said, just come here for a week and you're going to wonder why I would ever leave. It's very difficult. I know. And I still, if I wasn't so busy during all this, although road trips, when you can't really go anywhere, although hotels are open, like I've wanted to do the kind of two week, get in the car and just do it and do a California vacation. Cause that wouldn't even be enough. Um, I want to, I want to get weird with it. I want to head way inland and see some of these highways that we only see in movie shots. So let's, let's talk about your deal growing up. You are not, I, I have it on both ends. Okay. Like I have the growing up poor and

then father doing well and us moving to Martha's vineyard and surrounded by summer kids that could all golf. And I never really picked it up until later on when I was in my twenties. And now I don't care anymore because I suck again, but you are not the typical shithead golfer, right? This is, this is not me. Like that's to a T yeah. So what's, what's what, yeah, give us that. I grew up. Yeah. I guess that's literally it. I'm going to put that in my bio. Um, not family was fine. Like not super rich, not, not, you know, not getting crushed. But yeah, work parents work really hard. Grew up at like a par 61 golf course called Vista Valencia.

They had a par three course called Chica. I'm like great names that come through there. Jason Gore played there all grown up. So it's like a big golf area, I guess. So played there all the time, but it felt like not golfy, like not country club, but not, you know, four buttons, not five, but definitely not three. Like, you got to have four, like it wasn't like that at all. professional golf, get a scholarship, all that stuff. You know, my dad, mom and I had basically like a deal that they were gonna, you know, get a membership at the nice course down the street, just so I had better places to practice that. And in like the kindest way ever, but in like the realest way ever, it was like, hey, this is like an investment. You know, like, please don't take

this for granted, which I didn't, fortunately. But I was very fortunate to grow up in that because I am. I'm so out on the stuffy golf I get some of it I get I get that you know it's something nice that you know if you join a club or whatever it's nice like you work to have all the nicest things the nice golf balls all that but I've never understood like the hey half your shirts I'm tough like you got to tuck that back in uh so I was glad I grew up in the environment I did and then also got kind of the best of both worlds. Cause you know, as much as I love public golf you know, average public golf where I grew

up, like it's just not a big enough facility to practice. I'm trying to play against, you know, Tiger woods at some point. So it's, it's difficult, but yeah, fortunately had that. And then I did get the scholarship to go to Cal that takes a big, you know, financial burden off of the membership thing. So it all worked out. But yeah, like I said, I'm just like, my family's right in the middle. Like, fine, but golf's expensive, man. Like traveling's expensive.

So yeah, fortunately getting the scholarship and the college helps a lot. I think we're on the same page here too. Because as I say, like your background, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with somebody who's, you know, born into something and parents can provide also. Like, I also think that's become a weird thing in the last few years. It's like, well, how dare you have a great support system and have your family that does well? And you're like, wait a minute. And I remember, you know, the first time I actually really started golfing a lot was with some kids that were Fairfield County guys in Connecticut.

You know, Greenwich was for all those spots and they grew up with it. And I would golf and I wasn't like trying to be happy Gilmore, but there were just things I didn't quite understand. And I would say, Oh wow, that's stupid. And they'd be like, no, it isn't. It's, it's just golf. It's, it's what it is. And that's kind of the whole deal. So yeah, some of the shirt stuff and all these rules and everything, but there's part of me that kind of appreciates some of the traditional stuff that golf is trying to hang on to that i don't think should be like socially rejected because they they have some and i'm not talking about memberships and who's you know i'm not getting into that but what i'm just saying is like there's things that could be labeled as oh that's restrictive and stuff and you're like or

sometimes this is kind of cool that hey when you're here this is what we do and that's what's up yeah golf has a lot of things that are guess, are a little outdated and I think things are moving forward. But yeah, I'm in your camp. Like if you, if I'm at a very nice place and it's an exclusive golf club and you say you need to tuck your shirt in, I'm going to have my shirt tucked in. Now, if part of it comes out or I forget to take my hat off inside or something, it's, I guess, more the way you tell me to fix it.

If it comes at me, I'm like, okay, like that's, that's where the stuffy, if it's like, Hey man, like we have a rule here. I'm like, Oh cool. Cause there's different rules everywhere. We have, I played a course here in Arizona called Wisp Rock. And it's, it's, it's a, again, part of, I guess, um, you know, like the dynamic is it's supposed to be very fun, laid back, relaxed, like hats on inside untucked shirts. Like if you showed up with a tucked in shirt, someone will kind of make fun of you for it so it's kind of the opposite but if i go to another place and they say you need to have it tucked in it's like i just need to know those things i don't need to be like talk to like i'm 10 years old again and i think that's where it

goes back to because growing up as a good you know young golfer you step on a tee you know with what i would do with my dad i'd be eight years old we get paired with another two guys you could see them roll their eyes and my dad used to love it because he said in two minutes you're going to find out that this is not going to be like you know one of those other days with an eight-year-old but the point is is that how about you give somebody a second to like show you who they are and then you can judge them like then if it's going to suck you can say oh man this this pairing sucks but maybe it won't so it like kind of taking a beat maybe a little bit in golf and like seeing what people are actually about not just like judging them on what they're wearing and how they swing it all that stuff

so give me your funniest recruiting story for golf because we just had damian woody on last or two weeks ago doing recruiting stories where he admitted to basically a sex party and over five figures in cash i imagine a cow golf recruiting trip yeah i imagine i imagine cows a little different for golf yeah i mean we're i was close to did like hey we just had lunch can you pay us 15 bucks for that lunch because we don't want to pay my funniest it wasn't that cow uh as being the funniest it's actually i i went and did a recruiting trip and I went with my dad to UC Santa Barbara like most fun school ever anyone who's been there it is a it is a blast so I go walking around with the head coach and he's we meet in his office and he goes all right let me show you around campus and the first place we go is like the gym and I'm thinking maybe you know yeah he sees me like I'm obviously just chiseled out of like you know

whatever I don't even know I'm that unchiseled but he takes me to the gym obviously just chiseled out of like you know whatever i don't even know i'm that unchiseled um but he takes me to the gym i'm like cool and we walk through the gym and i mean treadmill treadmill treadmill like pretty girl pretty girl pretty girl pretty girl pretty girl and like we walk through and then he goes all right get in your car we'll take you to the course and i get in the car with my dad he gets in another car my dad gets in the car and she goes that might be the smartest man alive he's like that was a good selling point right there and so that was that one always cracking up as far as the golf recruiting goes i don't think we're i mean i wasn't thrown money at or like these crazy parties i hear about like at louisville or somewhere but uh that's where we

get the funny stuff is just the little angles i guess the coaches have to go to to like attract you to go to their school so you win the ncaa championship in 2013 and i'm trying to figure out the best way to ask you about when the light bulb goes off where you're like wait a minute i might be fucking awesome at this and i'm gonna be a pro like i don't know if you're thinking that in high school before high school or you get to Cal clearly with that kind of winter, your belt, you're going to feel good about yourself. But when did that kind of where it's like, Hey, this really could actually be a thing. Yeah. Um, it's, it's always kind of a process, especially for me. I was always a slow learner. So I need to like, see what the competition is to like then evaluate myself. Uh, so when I got to college we had a

pretty good team and I was like the four or five man you know five guys traveled but there were three guys considerably you know better than me my freshman year and like my brain has always been on the I'm gonna make it I'm gonna make it like I had no worry about that for whatever reason but the light bulb in the golf game hadn't clicked but i just remember my coach would say like hey if you keep paying you know practicing wherever you'll be the four five guy and i'm like hey like i didn't come like i'm not gonna be the four five guy i'm gonna figure out how to be number one i remember that was very motivating and then the summer after my freshman year all the big you know amateur golf tournaments that we go through

i had a really good summer and then got to the biggest one, the US Amateur, and I made it to the quarterfinals. And that's when I started to... The light bulb went off that if I could keep my brain the way it was and my motivation the way it was, the golf physical stuff started to roll a little bit. I'm not sure if it was a single moment, but I just started to get it. And then from there on, I didn't I didn't win a bunch of tournaments you know sophomore junior year but I was in a lot of them I was playing against a lot of people that I I knew were gonna make it or were the tops the college that I was like hanging with and then I get to my senior year and my team had an unbelievable season we had some you know we have three guys right now on the PGA tour um but I felt like you know everybody had their you know thing and I felt

like my thing was really good and like they would have the thing that's really good and we would just kind of progress and then yeah winning nationals was like the light bulb was probably wrong because I kind of knew I was one of the better ones in college but it was like it meant that like under the gun if I play a big event like a big event like a pj tour event or a major or something like at that time you know everything's relative but in my major or something like at that time you know everything's relative but in my brain like the national championship at that time was the biggest thing i could be at so like right now the biggest thing i could be at is like the master so i don't

see how my how my adrenaline or anything could be that much different than that moment because it was the same type of thing so that that's when it kind of clicked like hey man like your game is is really good obviously it's gotten a lot better but like maybe you are ready to do something really good and then i kind of didn't for a while but at least i had that that little light bulb yeah when you go through it and just for those that you know are learning about you um for the first time you end up turning pro what is it right after that in yeah in 13 and you're basically kind of all over the place where you you like your first your first year you were in a tournament you know it was just you were in a tournament and then you're actually playing you've got your card and you lose your card twice correct yes yeah one one in a i would call it just your classic rookie year just you know learning

and I didn't learn fast enough the second time I lost it was like you you might suck at this so this this might be your last go uh so yeah the the golf game got sideways yeah the rookie year's hard I mean my first year on tour I or my first year pro I got two top tens and tour events which is you know you look at some of these young kids and that's nothing but at the time it felt like a lot at least like I knew I knew my game couldn't be there but it just wasn't like week in and week out and then yeah then I got my card back and the game started to fall apart just went through some swing change issues uh then it goes conference issues And then I had like the worst year ever missed 15 out of 17 cuts on tour. I think my best finish was like 65th and I made $18,008. The eight is important because that's one full Chipotle meal. And at that time I was counting them

by the Chipotle meal. So yeah, so fell off. But again, I don't know why, man, I might, I talk about this with my buddy Peter all the time. I think to be a professional athlete, you need a bit of delusion, like the perfect amount of delusion. And I kind of think I might have that because for some reason through all of that, I knew that if I could just get a little bit of time

to get my stuff right, I could get back. And I don't know why my brain would possibly think that because I'm a pretty results oriented person and of the results were literally the exact opposite of, of optimistic. So, uh, yeah, I was, I was, as you said, all over the place, um, you know, turning pro when you're, you know, 22, whatever at anything is difficult. You go to a new job, it's difficult. And in golf, it kind of kicks you because, you know, you jump in with a bunch of veterans right away.

And it's like, if you're not the top 125, you're like, see you later, man. Like, good try. But, you know, go maybe try something else. I have your bio up here for just the stats because I just don't think it's insane if you look at some of this just to kind of hammer home the point for people that are learning about you, and I'm sure most of the audience are into golf. But so, you know, 13, you play an event, whatever. I met what you're an amateur, probably what, 13 and 14 still, because you're not getting any earnings? No, I turned pro in 13, but you have to go to the, I had to go to the web.com tour.

I played eight events on the PGA Tour. I got a sponsored exemption to my first one and got nine. So they started giving me spots to play, but like my full card was on the web tour. So I ended up getting it in 14. And then yeah, first full year on PGA tour would have been 2015. So 15.

So you make 12 cuts for 27 events. So you'd made, it says here just over $380,000. And then 16, you don't have the card yeah i go back to web got my card right because you were good on web 17 yeah 17 is the one where it's like it was two cuts out of 17 and you mentioned that 18 000 and eight dollars so because you had made the 38080,000 two years prior, I don't know what your expenses are like. I mean, it's always kind of weird when we're talking about how much a guy makes,

but you're an athlete, so I think you guys just have to accept it. We're going to know what your bank account says. Are you freaking out, Ani? Because I know a little bit about the tour and working with Van Pelt over those years where caddies would ask to stay with him during the event in Connecticut because it's like, look, you really have to manage your money. And if you're on the bag of a guy that's not playing well, then you're fucking broke. And I know you had made the 380.

So I don't know, like, is there still enough over? Are you budgeting out that entire 17 year where basically it's falling apart? And you're thinking maybe at 26, 27 years old, you're not going to be a pro golfer. Yeah. The money part is like, I build it up and joke about it a little more. I guess it wasn't super, it was taxing. Do not get me wrong. It was taxing, but I unfortunately, you know, I've been with Titleist since I turned pro I've made a good amount of money from them even when I was struggling. And yeah, I'd probably made, yeah, somewhere, yeah, somewhere around 380.

So the finance part was, it's not, I wasn't flying first class, I tell you that. I would try to save money, but it wasn't ever like full on stress. The difference is, is it's also not like full on comfort. You know, it's, it's not like you, because everything is about like the future, right? Financially, like, if I have $100,000 right now, that's awesome. But like, how long will that last if I don't make any more money and the PJ tour to travel for a year costs like roughly, you know, 60 to $75,000, you know, flights, food, hotel, like rental cars, if you need them, like all those things, it's expensive. So, you know, you're netting less. Now, fortunately, like I said, I was making money from fromhips. So it wasn't like a straight up budget, but I've always been pretty decent with money. And like, it became at least a thought, you know, and it became embarrassing to see. That's the other thing, like you were just saying, like professional athletes, everyone knows how much everybody makes. It's just like, it's on the Google machine.

knows how much everybody makes uh it's just like it's on the google machine and uh like it used to be a joke that uh my now wife's grandpa used to say oh uh you know it'd be christmas oh max made this much money like you know wonder you know what he's getting for christ you know stuff like that it'd be funny it's not as funny when it's like man they didn't make the joke right to come to christmas like what should we be getting him? Should we give him money? So that's where it became very... Golf is a sport that puts an actual number next to... And that number is a value on who you are to everyone. And that number wasn't high enough.

So it really hurt. Like, it didn't feel good. All right. So what's the lowest point here because in reading about you and i was reading your your cal coach talk about you and that i know you guys can get in your own head like i think tennis players are even crazier than golfers in a sense because they're totally out there and anybody that's ever played like any kind of tennis it really does like in your head you're going like i am winning this point i am winning this point and then you lose

the point you're like all right now it's like death match. So there's a little bit of that in golf because of the isolation, but at least you have the caddy to kind of go off of. And like I said, your Cal coach was like, look, Max beats himself up as much as any golfer. That's saying something, because I imagine that's the profession. So how bad was it at its worst? So what's actually funny about that is he was right. In college, especially my first couple of years on tour, I was like that when I played this as bad as I did in 2017. It actually taught me to have a great attitude. Now, I'm not going to say I'm perfect, but my attitude got really good because I started to evaluate and think. And I was like, man, if you're going to play this bad, if your physical is going to be this taxing on you, and you're going to work this hard at it, even when you when you miss cuts like why are we going to expel like extra energy on emotion like you can't keep getting mad at

yourself like you got to give yourself a break or else it's just all going to crumble so that part actually was like the best looking looking like 2020 hindsight was the best part about that year the lowest point i had i remember the the tournament, John Deere in Iowa. It's a golf course. It's not particularly difficult. I had missed like a trillion cuts leading up to it. I'd had cuts where I'd miss it by a few. And then I had cuts where I'd miss it by one and just have a complete debacle to end it.

The week before, I was well inside the cut line. I made double on the 17th hole on Friday to miss the cut by one. And it's just like i was in shambles because i finally unfortunately my mindset was only on making the cut which like is really bad news because then you always end up around the cut so that sucked for the very next week i'd always i've been struggling with my driver to no end and it just was like killing me and that week i went out and i drove the ball i i think after the first two rounds i was leading the whole field and and driving and strokes gained off the tee, whatever the stat that measures who's hitting, you know, from the tee to the fairway, the best and I was leading it. So the thing I'm the worst at, I'm leading and I still miss the cut. And that was the first time I sat there because for all these days and weeks, I was telling myself, if you can just start hitting it a little straighter, we're going to be fine. And that week I did, and I still missed the cut. And that's when I went back to the hotel. You know, obviously, like we're talking about tennis, like I'm by myself, at least at the

hotel. And I'm sitting there thinking, all right, man, like if that's what we just said, we need to get better at, we just proved that we could be the best at it. And we still aren't making any money. We're still not making any cuts. But what I realized as I got older and got out of this hole that I was in, the reason that happened was because all of my attention is on one part of my game. And golf and its beauty and also its frustration is there's like 15 different things you need

to have sharp. So if you're only focusing on hitting your driver straight, which I did need to, my chipping sucked. My wedges weren't very sharp. My speed on the greens wasn't good. All the little things in sport weren't great. It's just like every other sport. If you're playing basketball and all you're doing is focusing on your free throws,

let's just say you suck at free throws, and you finally get them good, well, I bet you've taken a lot less time to work on your fundamentals and dribbling and maybe post moves, little things like that. So even though you're shooting free throws better the rest of your game actually stinks still but the good news is since now what had never been a huge issue it you know once i got the big stuff back like the little stuff you know came back a little quicker but you have to spend time doing it but that was the lowest i remember leaving that golf course like i'm not a big crier i had tears in my eyes i was embarrassed and i was just sitting there thinking like how are you going to do this man if we finally did something good and we still aren't

even like adequate enough to play the weekend and it did work out though because in 2019 25 events, 16 cuts, your first win, and over $2 million in earnings. And look, you made the cut every event except for one this year. So do you show up now going... Because some people do talk about you and like, this guy could be... I mean, it's weird. In basketball, you can say, okay, I know exactly what it is. With golfers, okay, the very few 1%, maybe you're like, okay, so steady. Like I remember watching at the Riviera. I didn't go this year. I went two years ago and I was watching, watching, uh, I was behind Tony Fino. I was following him and I saw him hit a ball live

for the first time ever. And I went, go that guy's gonna be like i would hope he's gonna be amazing at some point because that's the nicest it's like all of this athlete power and smoothness combination and phenol that i i don't know that i've ever really seen it's it's fucking yeah insane i'm sorry he makes it look very easy i played with him there this year and yeah you play with a guy like that and you're just like man like like i said like this looks really fun like you make this look really you take it halfway back and you hit it 350 yards and it's really straight like that must be nice uh yeah there's few guys like that but he's he's somebody that you would drop on a range and you would point out like you do nothing on golf you'd be like i bet you that guy's really freaking

good so are you good now are you like hey i'm gonna do this for a long time and i want to start you know when you start thinking about i know gonna do this for a long time and i want to start you know when you start thinking about i know a lot of it is just visualizing and positive thinking all those things which is hard to do because it's a really challenging sport but do you start to feel like okay now it's about winning and having some finishes and majors which i know it's really easy for me to say from the outside but i guess what's like the inside conversation about that when maybe you're talking to other guys on the tour that you're friends with? Yeah, so that's a perfect question because I think a lot of people think that the moment you win,

floodgates open, life's good, and you can just go to winning more. But obviously golf is hard. Each week is different. Each golf course is different. I guess the long way to say it is when you come out of college, whether it's basketball, football, golf, whatever, any sport, even if it's just a more normal job, someone's like, man, you're really good at this. It's like, man, that's awesome to hear, but how do you know? I can just tell. You get a lot of that. Oh, this guy's got a lot of potential.

I've been raised up by that just because of winning the national championship and having a decent you know senior year in college so people always say like oh he has a lot of potential and I always for so long was like I don't even know what that means and I don't see it like necessarily the way you do and it was kind of funny because like after I won I still didn't feel like I met my potential but I felt like this, a lot of work had finally like paid off because I've been working my butt off. And then, you know, I didn't play bad after that, but I didn't play great. I had a lot of like just middle finishes, making a ton of cuts, but doing nothing with it. And I don't know what switched this year, but like I got to the West coast and I put in a ton of work again in the off season, but I went

to, got to the West coast swing and I played unbelievable like i was just like in contention a lot of rounds um you know culminating in the uh riviera which is like my you know masters just because from right down where i'm from and you know have a chance to win for quite a quite a long time and all of a sudden like all the things people have been saying to me I guess that like you have a lot of potential you could like I could see you know what you're saying like I could see that you could get to hear like other players you know them being like what's going on like I know you're you know you could do and it's like I finally was like yeah like I can't like it just hit like I don't know if it was maybe just a better result or I started to really believe in myself but yeah like like I guess now when

I look back on it, it'd be silly that I doubted myself for so long because I do think that I'm pretty darn good at this, but I don't know. It took myself getting punched a lot. But then again, I also understand how hard it is and that's what motivates me to keep working hard. But I just think the potential thing is so difficult for people to get their head wrapped around and especially me so when i finally started to believe in that like yeah i do think that i could do this for a long time i am very much excited to get back out there because i feel like i finally started to find it all like the mental to the physical and like i want to see how you know how far i can go in the in this sport how high i could get up the rankings and all that so um golf's a cool cool game you know it gives you second third chances i've been given a million of them uh so you know

it's fun to finally start to feel like you're you again a little bit because that's another hard thing about individual sports you don't really have anybody uh nobody can really like help you're just like on an island and it's like it's like you would see nights from i think who's the dude from the the raptors that's uh freakishly athletic uh siakam yeah siakam so siakam was my example siakam's amazing but i don't watch a ton of raptors games so one week i was like i'm gonna watch a ton of raptors games because i see him on the highlights all the time like siakam is is a freak talent well i go watch him play like two three games on tv i'm like yeah it was average and then like he gets a tnt game and he balls and everyone's like this guy is amazing and i'm like yeah but like this guy wasn't that great the last

couple nights that's the difference between him and lebron james takes nothing away from him it's just my point is in golf there's no one there's no one that can protect me for two days to two off games. It's just me. My score is 74 because it's 74. I can't like get a boost from Justin Thomas and knock it down to 72. So I would look at other athletes that are tremendous. Pascal Siakam, a tremendous basketball player, but be like, all right, this is why golf's hard. And I'm going to take it a little bit off of me. Like, I'm not going to be so obsessed with being perfect, like, every day and understand that, dang, this sport's really difficult.

And it almost made it easier knowing that, that, like, you know, I'm going to take the negative of the fact that this sport puts you on an island and take the positive and be like, yeah, well, you know, if you can understand that in your own head, then why you expect yourself never to have a mediocre day. To emphasize how delicate this is too,

the year you made 18 grand in 2017. 18,008. 18,008, sorry. The eight was important. Right. Your average score for a round was 72.9. Oh, I wasn't ready for that. And then the year you made 2 million,

your average score was 70.7. So 2.2 strokes difference. The difference between losing your car and having a really nice life, which is one of my favorite things about... I probably shouldn't say my... I shouldn't preface it as one of my favorite things. I have this theory.

It's real quick. It's longer. Parents are going to be offended. They're going to say, you don't have kids. That's why you feel this way. Yes. But I think a lot of people talk about parenting in a sense of like um i i get that how proud you would be right like seeing your kid graduate one day that's that's going to be an amazing emotional feeling like i i can understand that i can i can feel it without knowing what it feels like like i got real but there's also a million people having kids there's a ton of people having kids. Like there's millions doing this. A lot of people are doing it. And so when I think people look at golf, they're very protective of how hard it is

because so many people go. And there's always these moments where the worst golfer can hit an amazing shot that looks like he knows what he's doing in that one shot. So when they see you guys do it, it'd be like, Oh, you know, I play that course, you know, I, I, I hit it and it's like, yeah, okay. But you didn't have anybody watching. No one cares. And you probably still ended up with a six. So like great approach shot. Um, how basketball's like, Hey, you're six, six. I mean, guys can talk shit on the court but like how brutal is that part of it with you where you know you're a normal size guy you're better than the rest of the world except for you know you're in the top 100 or whatever it would be at this point i don't know what your official ranking is go ahead and give that to us if you want but the people that think

that they're this close and have no real understanding of what the gap actually is between cool you beat your friends at the club i'm actually on the tour yeah it's difficult um i was very lucky growing up that i got to play with some people who had played on or who were playing on tour jason gore uh being one of them so i got to see what it was i feel like i meet a lot of people who say they're really close who haven haven't played with, you know, Rory McIlroy or Dustin Johnson or Brooks Koepka, where if I could take you and just give you a day with them, you'd be like, wow, I'm further than I thought. And that's okay. I had to see that for myself as well. The point is, is you need to know just how much of a jump you need to get because you're right.

People in golf love to say, you know, love to talk about how hard it is and how thin the line is. And I do believe the line is very thin, but I can also tell you that I could go to certain golf courses and, you know, certain maybe mini tour events and know the guy who has a better chance of making it than the other by watching for a day. The thing about golf that I think is the best is that 2.2 stroke difference between 2017 and 2019. That's 2.2 times four a week. So that's like, I don't know, 10-ish. So now you're talking about I'm beating myself by 10 a week, like 10 shots.

So I was on the PGA Tour. So then how thin do you like the line gets a little thicker as this moves on? So that's why I try to tell people I'm not discouraging them from playing. or as this moves on. So that's why I try to tell people, I'm not discouraging them from playing. I'm telling them you need to see or you need to work so hard that you know you're that guy. But I want you to see what like golf is,

like real golf. Cause it's not one day, it's not, I can go play with you here and somebody will play good, maybe beat me or whatever. It's like, all right, you know, they start talking their trash, that's fine. But it's like, let's go play three more days

and also not at your home golf course, like all these things go into professional golf that are so different than another sport. Basketball courts are the same, you know, the hoops, the same height, of course, the same size, like, yeah, you could throw people in, but you could get, you know, you could get really good. You, everybody knows the rec league dude that just sick at a corner three or something. It's like, do that guy open but you know it gets in a game it's a little different but he if he's open he's still going to make that shot golf i'm going from grass in arizona to grass in florida they could not be more different then i'm going to a place that's windy place that's not like so many variables change and that's i think the the thin line that people talk about between

professional golf and like the next step below i think is a little thicker because it's it's it's you're not getting a big enough sample size from the the people who are saying they're almost there because i think it's a lot bigger jump than people think not unattainable but you need to get the experience to go see what you need to improve on i have a couple things i want to do we're going to do five questions and then we're going to do a couple life advice emails all right i never thought i should be given life advice so this should be good but plenty of question my but i researched being a life coach just because i was i didn't want to be one i was fascinated by the process and i know i'm already more qualified than 50 percent of the people that have a certificate so i'm not apologizing about that i'm gonna fire

mine it was actually this is kind of funny but after the jackson hole arrest and a producer came down he goes hey uh question for you i was like and i knew i go yep because how do you feel about still doing life advice on the radio show every wednesday and i went uh i get it it's a fair question i still feel good about it though right i go you know who better than me now really yeah I can give you all that. Right. I never was giving the advice because I had it mapped out. I'm giving the advice because I've fucked up everything at some point. Okay.

Perfect. I want to talk about your Twitter feed because that's, uh, I think a lot of people probably know you, but it's, it's a good little niche for you. I don't even know if you were doing it for branding or to get it out there. People send you their swings. You burn them. Do you feel like you have to stay on brand and roast everybody because they're very rarely are positive although i don't like when guys like the younger bro types do the whatever dude like come check

like like you care like i wish guys would understand how little we actually care about like there's it's a blip it's a hey here's my And then it's on. And then other dudes are out there framing them. So how did that all start? Because you actually are really, I can't believe you still have this many comebacks, hundreds, thousands of tweets, maybe in, I don't know. So far I'm impressed by your creativity. Thank you. Yeah.

Uh, not sure how it started. I've always been active on Twitter. I think it's a great, uh, just a great way to, first of all, get sports news for me. Second, like connect with people that you normally wouldn't. The whole reason it was brought up was so people like, you know, me or, you know, young me or whatever could tweet at, you know, Tiger and maybe Tiger Woods will respond. Like that's the beauty of it. So that's the cool part. It connects people. So I've always tried to keep it light. So one day, I think I landed in Long Beach. I was living here, landed in Long Beach. And I get a tweet from this kid, Brian McLaughlin, I think his name was. And he said, Hey, roast my swing like you're Gordon Ramsay. And then he sent me a video of a swing. And he called it. He goes, I think this could be a good trend. I did not think so, but he asked for it. So I was like, you know, whatever. I'm not doing anything. So I respond.

I responded with the Gordon Ramsay gif that has him with the bread over the chick's ears. And he's like, what are you? And she said, an idiot sandwich, like the all-time best gif. And so I responded because his video had a horrible angle. So I go to bed. I wake up. I have practice early in the morning. So I don't really see my phone while I get to the airport that afternoon and there's like hundreds of videos so I start

responding to a few more and then like more roll in and then I'm like kind of getting over it just because my phone is getting hot and then like I start getting like I mean I love sports and I'm not afraid to admit it like I I geek out over these athletes at times and I start getting these athletes like from all over like sending me their golf swing. And I'm like, what the hell is happening? So now I just keep doing it now. You know, I don't know how long ago that was six months removed, but, uh, I'm, I'm running out of stuff to say. Uh, I've seen enough bad golf swings for like 10 lifetimes. Uh, I also think that I've oversaturated myself on the Twitter machine. I'm not trying to brand myself. I'm just doing it because I think people think

it's funny. So yeah, I don't know. It's been a little niche. I got to say though, your Twitter is my favorite, especially my favorite tweet you ever put out was I just watched you said something like I just watched a 90s basketball game nobody died me and my buddy Peter were dying because we're like thank you like this is this is the content we need like I appreciate that you see both sides of the aisle and at least you come out and be like you know hey you know modern basketball is okay you don't need to hit somebody in the head with a chair for it to be like 90s defense so i do appreciate your twitter quite a bit it's been it's been a fun follow yeah i'm not i'm not real like uh good i i regret not being more into it

though because i would probably have way more followers if i was constantly doing it every game and like hoping to get the 10 return on the jokes and all that stuff because i know for a fact like guys that bought followers got more contract or better really yeah i guess that makes sense in media yeah like look either you had your legit million or two million followers but there's a couple guys i know that straight up just bought them and ended up getting better contracts because because like espn thought they were blowing up and then they look at me and be like you know you have your own show and you have like a half million followers like that's it yeah i go well well no because some guys plenty of guys legitimately got him because there was like a massive correction and what i loved about the correction

is that a couple guys were like oh that's my political leaning right and twitter's liberal and it's like no you bought him dude like i haven't i haven't named names yet but it's definitely it's almost like buying twitter followers though is like a second baseman just loading up on steroids and getting you know like that's that's the equivalent so go ahead no people say it to me be like oh you're like doing this to i mean this is very few parts but you're doing this just to get followers or you're doing it for your brand it's like yo my brand is like to shoot 70 not 71 so like i don't get paid by the pj tour if i have like 1 000 or 2 000 followers makes a little more sense in the media world where like sure you

could you know if you're gonna have a i just saw the joe rogan thing like joe rogan has x amount of subscribers that number was somehow fudged it would look a lot better if the number was higher to someone's actually gonna pay you money uh yeah i mean obviously rogan is a monster but there's definitely dudes where i go i know i look at i look at some guys though that will do stuff with their podcasts i'm like that's definitely not true like not at all like definitely not real and you know i'm i don't know one of those things that's why i'm trying to become a writer so i don't care about it okay are you in I like it. Okay. Are you in? Speaking of television projects, I have a TV show pitch.

I'm going to loosely attach you to this. It's a few other bigger names. It's going to be called Body Fat 40s and Drives. Okay. And what we're going to do is that when an athlete tells somebody, a reporter, that his body fat percentage is down to like 4%, we're actually going to have to make them come in

and get body fat because almost all of them are lying no one lies there's nothing more lied about than 40 times so when somebody runs like a four seven in indie and then it's like well i had a four three the we're like okay we're gonna let you run 40s as many times as you want all week long on this TV show and then ultimately drives because there is nothing I'd say to 40s maybe the second most lied about thing is how many people think they actually drive the ball like 280 and don't I'm not even gonna say right it is unbelievable how many people first of all to measure out the drive you actually actually have to do the math from the tee, which you didn't do. So you're just guessing the number.

Second, I could eyeball what, like, sure, maybe you hit. So I do a podcast with my buddy Shane Bacon. Get a grip podcast. I was going to promote it all for you. Our first popular one that came out, Shane hit a 494-yard drive. And this is legit 494. Now the thing is the ball, it was straight downwind, straight downhill, like got every, I mean, he hits a far, but got every break you could get. He does not now go around telling people, yeah, I hit, I hit it

490. Like that's just a story he has where we're like, my dad will hit one four iron in his life, 220 yards. And then every time he's 220 hits four iron in his life, 220 yards. And then every time he's 220 hits four iron and tells people that he hits four iron 220. It's like, dude, like you just don't like, that's not your normal number. Like, yes, it can happen, but you can also play golf on a hill and you can hit it way down that hill. Yes. The ball will go far.

Like, that's like, that's where the biggest, biggest lies in golf come from, from the average guy. Like, yeah, I hit my driver 290. It's like, you think this girl at the bar is going to want to date you now because you hit your driver 290? Just save it, man. We know you don't. That would be another good podcast.

Stuff that girls definitely don't care about that guys say. Yeah, I actually am aware that no one ever cares. I haven't met too many people that are all that excited about my my podcast rankings although they're strong you know for anybody out there keep trying man maybe someone will be yeah i don't know that i would like his podcast does really well it's right it's right behind simmons and the guys from barstool all right let's uh let's throw it to five questions. All right, it's time for five questions. When you won Wells Fargo,

how many checking and savings accounts did they make you sign up for to get the check? Zero, direct deposit. Okay, all right, all right. What's the most hungover you've ever been before an actual round you had to play on the tour? Oh, boy. It has to have happened once oh no it's happened uh multiple uh not too bad one i don't even think i've told my caddy this one but one was the day after fourth of july last year in minnesota it was the roughest morning ever what was your tea time like nine it was too early got up

at seven i was like oh boy i don't think i ever told joe that i was too embarrassed no kidding how'd you shoot not well and i was two under through four and one of my buddies that i'd gone out with the night before i was staying at house with him came on four and i just made my second birdie and he looked at me like how are you doing this I remember just being like I have no idea and then like it all caught up to me I pride myself on not drinking almost ever during the week of a tournament I try to really limit it and so when I do um I'm ashamed of it that one unfortunately came after the win so it's a little bit more uh understandable but man that was a bad day. I can't imagine having to walk.

I remember one time it was a bachelor party. We were still in our 20s, so it was like a course that we'd all played where we went to school in Vermont. And we were deep. We had a deep crew. We loaded up. And it was a bachelor party weekend. And that's like 20s bachelor parties where back then you just thought like well this is exactly we're supposed to go full throttle for

three straight days like what the hell were you guys planning on doing and we were getting ready to try to line up to get to the first tee and it was four older women like old you know 60s or whatever and you know they just looked at us and go oh look at all you guys you you young men in carts and then one of us was like yeah did you have a thousand beers last night mod you know so by the way that's another big like guy strip thing is everyone's like we're going to uh scottsdale we're playing golf thursday friday saturday we're going out thursday friday and then like you go out you play golf thursday you drink all day.

You then go out Thursday night and then you have like the 8 a.m. Tea time. So you could like add in partying after. And every time you wake up and you're like, why did we set up the second day of golf? Like there's no way anyone wants to be out here hungover playing golf. And then somehow we have to go out again. So that's a, that maybe that's my life advice. Don't set up the second day of golf.

Just one day. I could not agree with you more. I mean, the battles we used to have because we had two factions of our crew where we do these golf trips and the guys that really, really care. And that's great. Like you're really, really into it.

Book a smaller group the second day and stop with the 7 a.m. tee times. Like one, you know? Because the problem is that you're just chasing the sleep that you want to catch up on the entire time and you know when i would say pre-27 28 you're wired enough but as you know science just kicks in 27 years old and then that's that's when it all catches up okay all right so that was a good answer um do you have a good tiger story i feel like it's mandatory to ask

every golfer a tiger story i mean that you can share have you ever been paired up with him i've missed him by like one group three times so far um so my tiger story everyone's got probably a way cooler one than i do but basically so he wins the masters i don't think he played again in a tournament i was in until the Memorial. Now, between those two, I won my golf tournament. So it's mine now. So I won the Wells Fargo. So I'm on the range at Memorial. He's playing the group either in front of me or behind me.

So I know he's going to be on the range. Obviously, a lot of people, whatever. Well, I'd always had in my head that I was going, like, I just said, if in this dream fantasy world Tiger ever says, congrats on your win. You have to remember to say congrats on winning the masters. Like you have to like, don't forget that. So I have this like somewhere back here. So I'm hitting balls in the range and I'm facing, you know, one side, but there's no, nobody can hit, you know, to where I'm facing. The whole range is behind me and I'm hitting, hitting, hitting. And then Joe, my caddy goes,

yo, turn around. And I'm like, what? And I turn around and Tiger is like 10 feet, facing the whole range is behind me and i'm hitting him and then joe my caddy goes yo uh turn around and i'm like what and i turn around and tiger is like 10 feet 9 feet 8 feet getting close to me and i'm start sweating and he puts out his hand he goes hey man i just want to say congrats on on winning the wells fargo i had met tiger one time prior he did not remember it and uh rightfully so yeah right i mean yeah i didn't blame i hate when people are like oh i met you and you go yeah like don't say that don't ever say that because i don't i don't like live i but then if i i now i'm gonna sound like a jerk so i'm gonna stop talking so anyway keep going with your story because this is way more important than any of my just if it's not

memorable then it just that's not that's not my fault don't make me feel awkward um so yeah so tiger shakes my hand says it like it's all blur i'm like my brain's going a million miles an hour like little kid max has literally never been happier in his life um when i asked if he wants to be best friends didn't get that part out so i shake his hand and like as he's walking around as he's walking away the back of my brain part says the masters and i go congrats on the masters and like the most jolly awkward and like i have this whole thing on video you can't hear the sound thank god but somehow the pj tour live got it on video and you can see him kind of turn around the end and say like thanks and i was just like man like it didn't go that

bad but it didn't go like that well where i could like hang my hat on it but and you'd prep for this too and i had it all so there's a video there's a video of you turning late and being like he turns late because you could tell i yelled it i was like but whatever man i have it nobody else does i'm gonna keep it it makes me feel good because in the in the video you can't hear a sound so it sounds like he said i love you too or something like cool like that he actually like you know we're friends now or something that's too that's a stanford cal deal right there too so that's that's pretty good i gotta add the story sorry this won't be fast this is my funniest tiger me story never he doesn't know this happened watching a cal stanford basketball game one day like four years ago they're going through the rivalry in sports so they're putting up pictures of sports so it's john elway aaron rogers um jason kidd whoever's good at stanford steve

yeah stanford steve then it goes tiger woods max homa and i am dying laughing i'm like but at the time i i barely i don't even know if i was on pj tour anymore and it was like i was like you lost your card and they put you up combined we have 14 majors all tiger combined we had like 79 wins all tigers wins i was like who the hell made it like leave golf off of it obviously not a rivalry that's good okay two more who's i don't know if you're gonna answer for me here but i really want you to who's the worst where you're like oh shit i'm paired up with this guy? We got this in Cush a lot.

It's literally anybody slow. And I'm not going to name names, but everybody knows who's slow. Like, you just don't want to... I don't care if someone's not a nice guy. I don't care if somebody likes to talk a lot. Like, I don't care about all that stuff. But I like Sergio.

All these people are, like, they're fine like but if you're slow that's now like that means i need to pack more snacks that means my caddy's gonna be in a pissy mood by like the 15th hole instead of when we're done which is like safe space so that's when you just like hang your head and you're like oh god you know this is not gonna be very fun okay last one i have a buddy that's a huge fan of yours i was like wait you're like a huge you know this is not gonna be very fun okay last one i have a buddy that's a huge fan of yours i was like wait you're like a huge max homa fan he's like what's wrong with this right no but i went to youtube and i started in my just meticulous prep for this there's a youtube bro there's a youtube page where it's like all of max homa's highlights and it's in parentheses

it's like i think yeah oh yeah yeah yeah it's kind of funny because i'm like is that attempt at a diss but it's great because it's like 20 minutes and everything's really smooth man i'm uh i'm not a guy that would you want to listen to break down any golf but he's like no man he goes he's so smooth it's everything like all of this guy no but like every part of your game every part of it looks smooth. And that's why he likes your swing. A lot of guys like golfers because of their swings. Yeah, it's a big golfer guy thing. It's like, hey, I like that guy's swing.

And you're like, cool. Yeah, that'd be weird because I would never go like, hey, that guy that doesn't score 10 points a game, I love the way he shoots threes. I love the way Steve Kerr shoots free throws. Who would say that? But that's a golf thing. Yeah, that would be too much. And I like Steve Kerr, but that would be a lot. That'd be an excessive Steve Kerr shoots free throws. Who would say that? But that's a golf thing. Yeah, that would be too much.

And I like Steve Kerr, but that would be a lot. That would be an excessive Steve Kerr reason. But are we to the point now where we can come play around with you? Of course. That's what I said. I thought. I was like, I think we're going to be good here. Did you say the Genesis is now your tournament?

No. Well, no. That's my Masters. my tournament's the one i won quail hollow i'm just taking it as mine now because they canceled it whatever but riviera is my favorite golf course in the world and it's where like i learned like i watched golf grown up that was i've been lucky enough to go to a few things in the masters as a non-major major golf guy it was i don't mean major as far as tournament but like i'm not the biggest golf guy i'll watch all the big stuff i i've always liked the u.s open the most as far as watching yeah because it's hard it's so hard people buckle yeah i think it's actually okay like i think it's kind of ridiculous when the tour starts bitching about stuff you're like yeah okay some of the cut but like isn't it okay to have one

course be it's one a year right right it's crazy to go like all right minus two might win this i love i love that i don't know i did um but being the pga tour uh somebody with the tour had hooked me up with passes with me and a bunch of my buddies and to go if you're in the la area and my favorite thing about that course is that you're just driving through a neighborhood and then all of a sudden yeah it's a major golf tournament. And you're like, what is going on? I'm using major the wrong time here again. But it's just so weird.

It'd be like a bus stop. And then all of a sudden the PGA Tour is here. And the Riviera setup is unbelievable. Those guys were awesome. It is sweet. Yeah, it's a good one to go to. I know. I just missed it too this year because I was back east, I think, for football um it might not have been football i don't remember i'm gonna stop talking right now

okay let's uh now that we've locked that in let's do life advice okay james has a good one here i don't know if we're gonna do any normal life advice ones perhaps uh there's some stuff that i wanted to get to that we got here but i think i took 20 minutes to answer one of them last week and i don't want to do that. I want to let Max get to 110 degree weather out there in Scottsdale. Thank you. I love Scottsdale, but I've even looked at houses there and I go, how do you do this where if you live there, you have to stay inside the whole day? Listen, it's tough. I would say that the summers in Arizona have prepped everyone

for the quarantine that everyone's going through because you're just used to this during the summer. You stay inside. Don't leave your house. I don't know, man. I don't get it. Great question here from James, though. He wants us to pick a golfing with the office cast.

Who's in your foursome and why? Who's the three from the office that'd be a complete nightmare for you to golf with other than Pam? Obviously, everybody knows my Pam stuff. Yeah. I got to start with Pam then. I'm just playing. What do you... I think we do it this way.

Let's just put together the other three for each of us and we can process by elimination or have disagreements. And that way we're not doing two different sets of foursomes. All right, done. I'm going to leave this with the office golf episode was at Vista Valencia, the course I grew up at. Missed them by like 30 minutes. I only cried for like three days. Wow.

Blisties. My dream foursome, Kevin. I love him. He's the best. I got to say, I don't want to add Michael because I know it'd be awkward, but it feels wrong not to add Michael. And I kind of want to go with Meredith because she'll bring a lot of booze. And if Michael gets to be too much, I'll just drink all the booze with Meredith.

Man, it's almost like you're playing this out. That was off the top of your head. That's really good. Michael's such a tough one because you know two and a half, three hours in, Michael Scott with the car girl. But he never... Does he put the beret on if the car girl rolls around

and goes to date Mike? Yeah. I mean, there's two sets of women that have no interest in any of us and it's strippers and cart girls and it's not the same profession but guys almost act the same way in completely different senses like oh here comes the cart girl right you realize there's hundreds of us today on this course and she has to her job is to come over in the car and serve his beers. You get that, right? So Scott with the cart girls a little, but I think he would just be so he would suck at golf.

There's no way that guy's good at golf. Um, I'd be all set with Jim doing eye rolls the whole time either. So I don't know. That would be nice. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to hear Michael do his basketball thing and said,

usually make those. And like on 18 holes, like 18 in a row, I'd like to hear that. Yeah, if you knew what you were getting into ahead of time, I think Michael is a pick because it would be kind of funny. Creeds and out. Total liability. Pam's no.

I think Karen would be fun. I think Karen, even if she didn't want to play the whole time, I'm a big Karen guy. I know. I heard the last last podcast you were heavy on the Karen well I just think if you're going to sit in with the band and sing the police those are a couple points in your favor are we missing

anybody else Dwight I just wouldn't want to hear it he probably doesn't even golf he builds his own golf club Oscar's a hard no Oscar's a hard no Angela I think is from most people's home course uh home country club i think she was she she's definitely a member at most people's country club she is like maybe angela you know how people say like karen nowadays

like that's like the new thing like that's a karen yeah at a golf course if it's kind of a stuffy member i'm gonna start calling him an Angela. I'm going to make this thing happen. Make it happen. Might have helped it before the show was done, but we'll see. It's still. Kyle just chimed in with Daryl. Oh, Daryl's a good pick.

Actually, anyone from the warehouse. I don't know. You think Roy is that great? No, not Roy. The other like 40 of them. What's the, I always forget. Dwight's like old, like little sidekick dude. Moe's? Works in the warehouse.

No, no, no, not Moe's. He works in the warehouse. You got the funny voice. Nate? He replies to toilet paper. Yes. He, I want, I want him there. Nate, yeah.

Nate seems crazy. I'm cool with him. Nate and Daryl. Nate's efficiency is, Nate's efficiency in the show is off the charts. I don't know why I always think it's the funniest thing in the world, but he's like, have you ever noticed that Minty Gum is maybe getting too minty? And I just think, who wrote that? Did he think of that?

He did. He wrote it. It's so stupid, and his delivery is so perfect that I'm like, does everybody else think of nine seasons of the show, I still think that's one of the funniest lines in the entire show, and there's no one else that would agree. Okay, all right, all right. So we got that out of the way.

I like Kyle's Daryl. We got to remember him. That's a good pick. Okay, this is from Tim. A group of 40-somethings headed to Pebble Beach in August, assuming we're able to travel. I was supposed to be Pebble a week ago. And I haven't golfed in two years,

and I signed up for my trip with my buddies. I was like, all right, I'm just going to go. And they're like, okay, but are you going to be like mad when you suck after three goals? Is that the Rosillo that we're going to get? Because you haven't golfed that much anymore, and we're all decent. And I was like, look, I'm just so excited to hang out with you guys

that I'm not going to worry about it. They're like, you're going to be mad. Yeah, they're like, you're going to be mad because you suck now and we're good. And they're like, maybe. I was like, is this you telling me to not put the deposit down? Because I could do that too. All right. So Tim says, all right.

So that's right. They want to see. All right. Advice for eight slightly overweight, out of shape 40-year-olds who on walking spyglass pebble and Spanish Bay consecutive days. Besides having the ambulance on speed dial, what advice does Max have for us? because it's a hike at all those places, especially I don't know what slightly out of shape means, but I would assume they don't normally like to walk a lot. Don't be too hungover. If you could do the order and go Spyglass, Monterey, Pebble,

that would probably be best or flip Pebble and Spyglass. Spyglass is the hardest walk. Monterey is pretty easy uh so that would be a piece of advice um but for the most part i'm going with the i'm sticking with hungover final answer don't be too hungover yep yep it's uh there's gonna be one guy in the group there'll be one guy always there's nothing to do i mean there's actually the most the most dangerous guy isn't single 40s or old guy the most dangerous guy's the guy who hasn't been out for a year yes that's the the guy's like ready to tear it up and everyone's like hey man i just came to play a little golf

yeah i you know and i'm not telling you like i'm a quaker here but i just we've had some of these trips too where the guy is on absolute you know he wants to just shut off the brain on the flight over from the east coast and we'll have like a denver trip and the guy's like hey calling us from the airport and first of all you know denver's airport is in canada anyway but you just go what's the story and he's like look like i need one of you guys to pick me up we're like well you don't live here so why can't you just get in a cab and he's like oh yeah yeah cab and we're like oh yeah and then he shows up we go you know we all want to go out tonight right so then you get the guy then you get the guy who

hasn't been out forever and everyone finally meets up and they like are about to leave for the golf course and he's like you got the one guy like hey remember how we were supposed to play golf today yeah yeah all right let's not do that like let's go to the bars now and you're like we just got here like we just just got here that's that's the mega wild card guy when we were all 20s all of it's honestly acceptable but uh fair okay last one here colin young man 28 last weekend first hole in one 139 yard pitching wedge do i now have the blueprint for aces to start falling weekly or will be this my only one or the only one for a while? Six handicap with a swing.

You would say, Hey, it's not horrible on Twitter. So six handicap. How many hole in ones? How many hole in ones do you have? I think seven. How many do you have?

Zero. Ah, I do. For this advice, I will say he does not have the blueprint. That's just obvious. It just went in. It just went in. But I will say that they kind of come in bunches.

For people who don't end with just one, they come in little spurts. So when you can, when it's safe, unless you're allowed right now, play a lot of golf because Cause I, I almost bet there might be another one that comes in the next couple months. Um, you might also have a dry spell for quite some time. Tiger said he didn't make one from like year 2000 to 2019. So don't take it too hard if you don't make another one. But, uh, that's, that's my advice. Like, no, you don't have the blueprint, but maybe put in in put in a little time on on the on the course maybe you'll maybe you'll get to uh quicker than you got one that is max homa he is at max homa so

that's h-o-m-a 23 is that for jordan it is yeah last dance baby right that's right and you can check out their last dance breakdown uh he has a podcast with shane bacon get a grip podcast and yes that's right it's a podcast that broke down michael jordan documentary which i know it's hard to find hard to find right now we even said we talked about that part hey seriously i appreciate this you know we've dm'd a few times over the years but the fact you were listening to the show and all that kind of stuff and just want to let you know I got a crew of guys that are rooting for you every weekend.

And I guess, what do you know about when they're going to come back and play? If we can leave on that note, what do you do? June 11th, Colonial, June 11th, Charles Schwab. We're going to try and do,

right now we've planned like the rest of the season starting then. So no fans till for at least a little while, but at least we'll be coming back um you know pretty soon a couple few weeks i want to say thank you for having me on man i love your show i love everything you do um huge huge huge supporter so it's been an honor to be able to uh to make your acquaintance via zoom chat absolutely man and once this thing does

get settled we're going to come out and find you. Play a little golf. Yeah, do this. I'm not going to promise that I'll bring anything other than a few good stories, but a couple of my buddies are going to freak out about this. Thanks. Seriously, Max. All right, man. Have a great season when this thing gets rolling. All right. Thank you very much. I hope you guys enjoyed that. I thought he was terrific.

Maybe some of you have a new favorite golfer. When everybody gets back to this, I wanted to do one last thing on the life advice thing because after I had said that thing about driving past these rural towns, at least for me it was Vermont, and sometimes I would get off the highway and just drive around those towns. I kind of loved those towns.

I'd say that's probably the only thing I really, really miss about the East Coast. And that whole thing where I'm in the car by myself and I look and I go, maybe, maybe that's the ticket, man. Maybe that's the path to happiness. Just, just say, you know, stop, stop putting the pressure on yourself and do those things. And I say like, Oh, consider the easy thing. I like the hard thing. And that's what I've always done. A lot of you emailed the, uh, life advice account about account about that. Kyle showed me what was going on. And I'm really happy that that hit hard.

I guess hit home. But the way some of you guys responded to it, I'm not going to read all the emails. It meant a lot to me the way you reacted to it because it is a chapter in my book called The Next New Beginnings Are Not Behind You. That's a fake title. I'm fucking with you. But yeah, in the book that I've been working on here in some of the spare time, that's a moment in the book that I explain in greater detail. So the fact that some of you guys got it, I was like, yep, that's exactly why I would put this in there and expand on that a little bit. Because I've had that thought happen so many times until you finally just get older and go, hey, every time you do this,

you know that's not exactly what you want. It's like not even close. So stop doing that thing where you start hoping for the thing you actually don't want because that's a huge waste of time. So again, thank you. It meant a lot to me that you guys like that this much. Tell everybody about the podcast. Subscribe, rate, and review.

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